/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/11/#ubuntu+1.txt

tgrundl1	bsinder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45544/	00:00
bsnider_	well it got an ip address	00:01
bsnider_	can you ping google.com?	00:02
milosz	is ALSA known to be buggy atm?	00:02
tgrundl1	yes, and i can bring it up in a browser, but other website, apt, and aMSN timeout	00:03
anubis	uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?	00:03
anubis	because I can't get it to	00:03
Neon_lights	-poke- anyone here that could lend me some help? [:	00:21
Neon_lights	I was just wondering whether if my nVidia drivers are supposed to be freaking out with anything 3D accelerated and giving green and purple bars everywhere.	00:23
Neon_lights	or if I should file a bug. xD	00:23
anubis	uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s?	00:25
literal	yes, if you install the appropriate codec	00:30
literal	same as with any other ubuntu release	00:30
anubis	so if clever smartasses like ourselves already had the codec installed and no sound then what?	00:31
anubis	sound form streaming lastfm, but no sound from mp3s?	00:31
Neon_lights	sounds like a pulseaudio problem to me.	00:33
EagleScreen	Kubuntu Intrepid shows the desktop of my last session when it is starting session, inclusive after rebooting	01:08
mib_lhfac4	Someone know the correct alternative of "update-manager -d" for kubuntu?	01:26
RAOF	mib_lhfac4: do-release-upgrade should work (and is CLI), but I don't know the Kubuntu version	01:26
mib_lhfac4	i should go in intrepid	01:27
mib_lhfac4	now i'm in ubuntu hardy heron	01:27
mib_lhfac4	and do-release-upgrade said:	01:27
mib_lhfac4	Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found	01:27
RAOF	You'd need to pass -d as well.	01:27
mib_lhfac4	yeah work, thanks!!!! :-)	01:28
shadowhywind	hay all, not sure of this is an intrepid issue or not.. but in order to get my wireless card to work (ndiswrapper), I have to restart dbus first? is this normal?	01:47
RAOF	shadowhywind: Restarting dbus is probably restarting network manager & HAL & friends, which will then pick up your new (to the kernel) hardware.	01:48
RAOF	That's not the best behaviour, so it might be worth filing a bug if you can reproduce this.	01:49
shadowhywind	but even if the wireless card is on from boot?	01:49
shadowhywind	any ideas on a fix? or something i can try so i can more info to the bug report	01:50
RAOF	shadowhywind: Depends on what "on" means; the kernel doesn't know about it properly until ndiswrapper has loaded, and has the right windows driver wrapped, and loaded the firmware, etc.	01:50
RAOF	If NM is getting loaded before all that happens, it may not pick up your card.	01:50
RAOF	So, it seems you've already identified a fix; restart dbus.	01:51
shadowhywind	the only issue that i have with restarting dbus, is that i lost like half the items in my systray	01:51
RAOF	You could narrow this down by just restarting the network manager services; I believe they live in /etc/dbus/event.d	01:51
shadowhywind	so perhaps running the network restart command might help?	01:52
RAOF	Right.	01:52
carandraug	I also have a problem with ndiswrapper since I updated to Intrepid. I have to stop NetworkManager (even though it's disable in the list of startup services), ifdown my network. Only after this Am I able to remove the ndiswrapper module. After reinserting the module I finally get internet	01:54
shadowhywind	ok so /etc/init.d/networking restart looks like it didn't work	01:56
RAOF	Yes, that's not network manager.	01:57
RAOF	The network manager things live in /etc/dbus/event.d, or something.	01:57
shadowhywind	i have a dbus-1 but nothin inside of event.d	01:57
RAOF	Hm. Or they did. They don't seem to now :)	01:58
shadowhywind	perhaps system.d	01:58
RAOF	Heh. They seem to be in system.d now	01:58
shadowhywind	so which one do i have to restart and how?	01:59
Joeb454	anybody around?	01:59
shadowhywind	nioe hehe	01:59
shadowhywind	nope**	01:59
RAOF	shadowhywind: I'm not sure anymore; this has changed since last I fiddled with it.	01:59
carandraug	it resides in /etc/init.d/NetworkManager . i have to stop it first to be able to fix my wireless connection with ndiswrapper	01:59
Joeb454	lol	01:59
Joeb454	Just wondering if anybody knew why the username thing on the top gnome panel always tells me I'm offline	02:00
shadowhywind	carandraug: so you have the same issue then huh?	02:00
RAOF	Bah! I should have paid more attention; /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart is probably your winner.	02:00
shadowhywind	Joeb454: sorry i don't use gnome so can't help yah	02:00
Joeb454	psh	02:00
Joeb454	lol	02:00
shadowhywind	ok going to give it a try, so brb	02:01
carandraug	shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module	02:01
milos_	Joeb454, how do you connect to internet, with Network-manager or with 'pon connection'?	02:02
Joeb454	milos_, network manager I think (whatever's the default for connecting to wifi)	02:03
milos_	Joeb454, i had similar problems when I am connected from terminal, but your problem is another issue	02:04
Joeb454	hmm, it's not really a problem, but it is annoying	02:05
shadowhywind_	well that quiet didn't work	02:05
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carandraug	shadowhywind: I don't think you got my message. You logged out first	02:08
carandraug	shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module	02:08
shadowhywind	oh hehe	02:08
shadowhywind	well in anycase sounds like i am going to get stuck with a few commands, i might as well stay with restarting dbus	02:09
DanaG	Oooh, the gnome packagekit thingy doesn't freeze on retrieving changelogs like the old updater did!	02:09
DanaG	Oh, and in addition: it doesn't show the WRONG item if you scroll quickly, unlike the old update-manager (which DID show the wrong things).	02:10
DanaG	The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!	02:11
DanaG	hah.	02:11
shadowhywind	oh! new updates and there are some network-manager updates! maybe they will fix the issues	02:14
carandraug	shadowhywind: they didn't fix mine :p	02:15
shadowhywind	oh	02:15
shadowhywind	i wish they would post the new kernel.. hopeing that one will fix the last broken kernel for me. hehe	02:15
ToHellWithGA	is there any plan to fix the incorrect rate setting in the rt2x00 modules?	02:16
ToHellWithGA	since gutsy, wireless chipsets on the rt2x00 module have defaulted to a 1Mbps rate	02:16
ToHellWithGA	it's a known problem that can be fixed by running "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M"	02:16
carandraug	shadowhywind: I have problems with the latest kernel (because of my graph card) so I have to use Hardy's kernel	02:17
ToHellWithGA	i was a little put off when i reset my computer running this bleeding-edge ubuntu version and it still had a bug that's been present since gutsy	02:17
ToHellWithGA	carandraug: what video card is that?	02:18
shadowhywind	carandraug: does your stop like a second into it and say kernel reallyy alive?	02:18
carandraug	ToHellWithGA: ATI Radeon 9600XT	02:18
ToHellWithGA	bummer	02:18
ToHellWithGA	brb	02:19
carandraug	shadowhywind: no. I just can't get anything there. I plan on try to check what's happening next week (I can't risk not having the computer working unntil Monday 5pm)	02:19
shadowhywind	ah	02:19
carandraug	shadowhywind: Only resolution I get with it is 640*430 or something like that	02:20
shadowhywind	now thats bad	02:20
shadowhywind	also anyone fimiliar with the konsole in kde 4.1?	02:21
DanaG	yay:	02:23
DanaG	- Avoid gnome-wm launching itself in loop	02:23
DanaG	- Remove required components from the default session	02:23
DanaG	So is that why I kept getting a freeze?	02:23
DanaG	New version of gvfs: - Go back to using powers of 10 instead of powers of 2 for display sizes. This means we will agree with printed sizes for most devices (e.g. memory sticks will now correctly report "64MB volume" instead of previous "61.7MB volume").	02:26
DanaG	(also points out how annoying hard-wrapped text files can be.	02:26
DanaG	)	02:26
MightyTweek	Has anyone successfully built SVN mplayer on Intrepid?	02:59
RAOF	Probably.	03:00
RAOF	But you're likely to get a better response to your actual question by asking it :)	03:00
bsnider	RAOF, try out the new pulseaudio yet?	03:00
bsnider	and for that matter the new kernel	03:00
RAOF	Yes to both; neither help my hda_intel buffer underrun problem.	03:01
bsnider	huh	03:01
MightyTweek	RAOF: point well taken. My question: How can I get SVN mplayer to build successfully on Intrepid? :D	03:01
bsnider	even with luke's newer alsa-lib packages?	03:01
RAOF	Yes. Now trying with alsa-driver 1.1.18rc3	03:01
bsnider	how bad is the problem?	03:02
MightyTweek	Seriously, though. Doing a ./configure seems to work just fine, but when I run make, nothing gets built.	03:02
RAOF	MightyTweek: Better, but not quite there yet :). For me to help I'd need to know what you've tried, and where it's failing :)	03:02
RAOF	That seems pretty strange.	03:02
bsnider	MightyTweek, you do have build-essential and that crap installed?	03:02
RAOF	bsnider: Annoying; several tiny hickups/pops in the music over the course of a song.	03:03
* RAOF restarts to load the new alsa drivers.		03:03
tretle	why isnt cheese available in ubuntu when it was included as part of gnome core since 2.22	03:03
tretle	?	03:03
MightyTweek	RAOF: Yes, I have build-essential and all of the other prerequs installed as far as I can tell.	03:04
bsnider	i asked you that actually	03:04
RAOF	tretle: It _is_ available in Ubuntu.	03:08
RAOF	tretle: I'm fairly sure it's installed by default.	03:09
RAOF	tretle: Sorry, I'm lying. It's not installed by default, but it is in Ubuntu (at least intrepid). Cheese 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 (universe)	03:09
tretle	shouldnt it be installed by default seeing as its part of gnome now	03:10
MightyTweek	RAOF: I've pastebinned the output of make -d here if that helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45590. Warning: it's 107,444 lines long :)	03:12
RAOF	Ubuntu-desktop isn't the same as the default gnome desktop.	03:12
IdleOne	is this the appropriate channel to get some help with clamTK?	03:12
RAOF	MightyTweek: Dunno. Can I have the output without -d? :)	03:13
MightyTweek	RAOF: Without the -d, make produces no output. make clean does the expected deletion of files. Occasionally when I've done an svn up and tried a make after that some stuff has gotten built, but never the mplayer executable	03:17
RAOF	MightyTweek: What, _no_ output at all?	03:18
MightyTweek	RAOF: correct.	03:19
bsnider	are you able to build anything else?	03:19
RAOF	MightyTweek: Isn't it great that the mplayer devs are so cool as to build their own buildsystem? :(	03:19
bsnider	i guess you're being sarcastic there	03:20
RAOF	Well spotted.	03:20
MightyTweek	RAOF: they're a different bunch, it's true	03:20
IdleOne	need some help with clamtk. I have scanned my computer and the results show 3 viruses found but when I click on Quarantine it says no items quarantined.Click on maintenance and I see cache,cache.VIRUS,gdm and gdm.VIRUS . I am not sure what to do now but this has me worried. running ubuntu 8.10 alpha5. any advice?	03:22
IdleOne	yes I asked in #clamav also. no response	03:22
RAOF	IdleOne: They're almost certainly false-positives. What are you worried about?	03:23
IdleOne	RAOF: 3 viruses found on my Ubuntu system? I want to know what they are and why they are there	03:23
RAOF	Or, indeed, if they are virusesss.	03:23
IdleOne	RAOF: do you have any file named gdm.VIRUS on your system??	03:24
IdleOne	RAOF: yes that too	03:24
bsnider	MightyTweek, try building the aurora gtk theme	03:24
MightyTweek	RAOF: Okay, if I do a ./configure --enable-gui and then make, then I get a bunch of output of stuff being built. (I did a ./configure without the --enable-gui before.) It looks like it's just .d files that are being built though, and if I do a make clean and then a make again, nothing happens again, presumably because make clean isn't cleaning up the .d files	03:24
RAOF	MightyTweek: I'd suggest bugging upstream. It sounds like their spiffy build system's broken.	03:24
tretle	they probably are... it doesnt mean that they will affect your system but they might travel around your wireless setup to windows pcs	03:25
IdleOne	tretle: so then I should not worry? you say that like it's ok that my Ubuntu system could possibly infect the 3 other windows system I have on my home network	03:26
mneptok	IdleOne: how would Ubuntu infect them?	03:26
MightyTweek	RAOF: I've been watching the mailing list and haven't heard of anyone else having problems, but I might post a question there	03:26
tretle	well its not as bad as the virus infecting the host and the other pcs around the network	03:27
MightyTweek	bsnider: how do I do that, and what will it do?	03:27
tretle	look on the bright side after all	03:27
IdleOne	mneptok: tretle reply. implied that they could travel over wifi?	03:27
bsnider	MIghtif it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem	03:27
mneptok	IdleOne: hardly likely.	03:27
tretle	samba shares would be a way that they could travel	03:27
bsnider	MightyTweek, if it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem	03:28
IdleOne	mneptok: ok let's assume they are false positives. how do I make certain that is what they are?	03:28
MightyTweek	bsnider: ah, I see. Good idea. Do you have the command to check out the source handy?	03:28
mneptok	IdleOne: look for gdm.VIRUS in a virus DB? SANS?	03:28
bsnider	http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/56438-Aurora-1.4.tar.bz2	03:28
bsnider	there's the course	03:28
bsnider	source	03:28
MightyTweek	bsnider: thanks	03:28
bsnider	just run the configure script make and make install	03:29
bsnider	if it works, blame mplayer	03:29
bsnider	works for me	03:29
bsnider	MightyTweek, you'll need the libgtk2.0-dev package too	03:30
IdleOne	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778659&highlight=gdm.virus mneptok according to this post it is a virus but not a gdm virus	03:30
mneptok	IdleOne: did you actually click the associated link or read the rest of the thread?	03:32
mneptok	the Secunia link goes nowhere, and the OP says it's 100% a false positive.	03:32
IdleOne	the secunia link returns 0 results for gdm.virus	03:32
IdleOne	mneptok: ok then I will mark it as a false positive. now I also have a cache.VIRUS, cache,gdm that are shown	03:33
mneptok	deduce, Watson ...	03:33
mneptok	:)	03:33
bsnider	you can avoid this problem by not running virus scanners	03:34
mneptok	whoa.	03:34
mneptok	weird. i was just going to say something equivalent.	03:34
IdleOne	bsnider: lol ok then	03:34
bsnider	the recent windows refugees are so paranoid	03:34
MightyTweek	bsnider: That seemed to build fine. Guess it's something weird with mplayer's configure script	03:35
IdleOne	I am not a recent windows refugee I have been running Ubuntu for 3 years and on a whim I decided to run a scan	03:35
mneptok	IdleOne: what has ClamAV done for you except waste a temendous amount of your life?	03:35
mneptok	+r	03:35
bsnider	MightyTweek, or a problem with their svn files. maybe some are missing or something like that	03:36
IdleOne	mneptok: k I get what you guys are saying. uninstall clamav and be safe in the knowledge that my system is safe	03:36
bsnider	it is indeed. very much so	03:36
mneptok	IdleOne: uninstall ClamAV, and be judicious about how you open attachments and other such things. you'll be safer than with ClamAV, and have one free weekend per year in saved time.	03:36
burner	assuming you dont' have bad ssl certs ;)	03:36
IdleOne	mneptok: i am always careful about attachemnts and I don't install anything that is not in repos unless I know for certain it comes from a good source	03:37
mneptok	IdleOne: those habits are 1000000000000000000% more effective than is ClamAV	03:38
bsnider	not that we're trashing clamav or antyhing	03:38
bsnider	i mean it's not like it identifies false positives	03:39
mneptok	i wonder if when cars debuted, new owners asked, "How do I get this thing inoculated against hoof and mouth disease? I always had to do that with my horses."	03:39
IdleOne	lol	03:39
* IdleOne has all his shots and a few I wish I didn't		03:39
bsnider	i'm not sure microsloth would agree with that analogy	03:39
bsnider	linux is to windows what cars were to hroses?	03:39
IdleOne	that seems pretty accurate to me	03:40
mneptok	bsnider: more like "Linux is to automobile emissions what Windows is to horse emissions."	03:40
IdleOne	hahahaha	03:40
bsnider	if it was, more people would be using it	03:40
MightyTweek	bsnider and RAOF: I managed to get mplayer to build by deleting the entire folder and re-downloading. I should have tried that in the first place, of course, but I suspect their make clean isn't really doing a thorough job	03:59
RAOF	MightyTweek: Heh.	03:59
bsnider	not to be picky, but what's wrong with the medibuntu mplayer?	04:01
bsnider	RAOF, did hte new alsa fix your sound issues?	04:02
RAOF	bsnider: No.	04:02
bsnider	what sound chip is it?	04:02
RAOF	One of the infinititude supported by hda_intel; the codec is realtek 660, IIRC.	04:03
MightyTweek	bsnider: I'm needing E-AC3 support, which has only just appeared in the svn version. how often is the medibuntu mlayer built?	04:03
bsnider	it's a few months old	04:04
bsnider	e-ac3? that is that?	04:04
MightyTweek	bsnider: it's the audio codec used on HD-DVD discs	04:05
gx009	dding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntu	04:05
bsnider	dolby truehd?	04:05
gx009	one of you hacked me and typed that	04:06
gx009	but considering there are more folks in #kubuntu , i should ask there	04:07
IdleOne	lol yeah we are in the habit of hacking Ubuntu users and then helping them fix the issue. Like we don't have enough issues to work on	04:07
bsnider	i can assure you i don't care enough to hack you or anyone else	04:08
IdleOne	i would not even know where to begin even if i wanted to hack you and delete your pr0n collection	04:08
MightyTweek	bsnider: apparently it's also known as Dolby Digital Plus	04:08
bsnider	have they come up with a codec for dts-ma?	04:09
gx009	:-P	04:09
MightyTweek	I don't even know what that is. I just want to watch my HD-DVDs on my Linux HTPC :)	04:10
bsnider	well, dolby truehd is hte update to dolby digital. dts-ma - "master audio" is the update to dts	04:12
bsnider	and since there are no more hd dvds in production, dts-ma is hte future	04:12
gx009	i thought hd dvd==blueray	04:13
bsnider	they're 2 different things	04:14
bsnider	the last hd dvd that was produced was "atonement" some time ago	04:14
bsnider	the format is dead	04:14
gx009	1080p still rules	04:14
bsnider	both formats have that	04:14
bsnider	but that has half the resolution of 35mm film	04:15
bsnider	so i'm looking for ward to 4k tv resolutions	04:15
RAOF	bsnider: You project your TV onto a screen with an area of tens of square metres? :P	04:16
MightyTweek	yeah, I figured I'd get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive when I built my new Linux HTPC, and picked up a few HD-DVDs for cheap, since they were clearing them out... I assumed the encryption had been cracked and I could just load 'em up and go... it's been a bit more complicated :P	04:16
gx009	thats impossible witht he current hardware	04:16
MightyTweek	I'm gonna stick with DVD for awhile I think :)	04:16
bsnider	4k x 2k as opposed to 2k by 1k	04:16
gx009	bsnider just invented a 18:16 format	04:18
literal	shouldn't that be 9:8 ?	04:18
bsnider	you invented it?	04:19
bsnider	patent it	04:19
gx009	hold on.. i gotta tell kernel not to boot up with acpi	04:19
ToHellWithGA	literal: i'm pretty sure it should be ~5pi by ~4pi	04:19
bsnider	kernels don't respond to verbal commands	04:20
bsnider	whent hey do, we're all in trouble	04:20
ToHellWithGA	we need irrational, fractional pixels	04:20
ToHellWithGA	i guess those two disagree	04:20
ToHellWithGA	irrational, transcendental pixels	04:20
literal	complex pixels	04:21
ToHellWithGA	i'd like a screen with 100pi by 100e pixels	04:21
gx009	that would be cool .. then you can assign fallback pixels	04:21
bsnider	how about toxic, explosive pixels?	04:21
ToHellWithGA	how about a kernel module for my wireless chipset that doesn't show a regression first identified in gutsy?	04:21
ToHellWithGA	i kid, i kid	04:21
ToHellWithGA	i like connecting at 1Mbps to my LAN from 10 feet from the router	04:22
ToHellWithGA	it's fun	04:22
bsnider	which module is that	04:22
ToHellWithGA	rt2x00	04:23
ToHellWithGA	for an rt2500 chipset	04:23
bsnider	realtek sucks on linux	04:23
ToHellWithGA	no ways	04:23
ToHellWithGA	it was gold on feisty and older	04:24
ToHellWithGA	the new free modules only suck a little	04:24
gx009	2.6.27-2 only boots with acpi=off .. beam up to ...28-1 scotty.. hmm.. alsa got alittle confused about that	04:24
ToHellWithGA	i used that chipset with backtrack2	04:24
bsnider	gx009, try the new kernel	04:25
gx009	which new one?	04:25
bsnider	2.6.27-3	04:25
RAOF	gx009: Is this a laptop? Mine only boots on AC unless I pass acpi=off.	04:25
bsnider	it's in there	04:25
bsnider	check synaptic	04:25
gx009	yep.. laptop	04:25
* RAOF hasn't checked this with 2.6.27-3 yet.		04:25
gx009	i'll try an update from 26-2	04:28
DanaG	rt2x00 is not realtek.	04:31
DanaG	It's ralink.	04:31
DanaG	OH GOD, MY EYES! http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/	04:33
MightyTweek	well, it's fuschia	04:34
gx009	" a bright red 10-inch netbook" that looks way pink to me	04:35
Jordan_U	DanaG: Any idea what distro it's based on?	04:36
DanaG	Well, the current Mini-Note uses some variant of SuSE (I didn't bother remembering which one).	04:36
DanaG	yast2 == gag.	04:36
gx009	certainly gives a new meaning to "eye candy"	04:36
DanaG	well, as package manager, at least.	04:36
ToHellWithGA	DanaG: indeedums	04:37
ToHellWithGA	regarding ralink, that is	04:38
ToHellWithGA	ralink was ace on feisty and older	04:38
DanaG	I set up a family friend's computer with a bcm4306 card, and kept the ralink for a spare for an old computer around here, because ralink is open-source.....	04:40
DanaG	but in the end, I traded the two.	04:41
ToHellWithGA	the ralink driver is bunk in ubuntu through	04:41
ToHellWithGA	s/through/though	04:41
DanaG	Open-source means 'jack' if it doesn't work for $INSERT_WORD_HERE.	04:41
DanaG	s/means/doesn't mean/	04:41
ToHellWithGA	it auto-sets itself to 1Mbps	04:41
DanaG	Lovely feature!	04:41
ToHellWithGA	it's way wacky that i can manually set it to 54M but it auto-sets to slow slow	04:42
DanaG	The b43 card also sometimes works better than my iwl3945 card.	04:43
milos_	has someone here ever managed to remove accidentally half of gnome with synaptic?	04:43
DanaG	Nope, because I check what it's going to be doing before I let it do anything. =þ	04:43
gx009	accident implies no one is at fault	04:44
milos_	DanaG, I am also checking but I didn't this time hhhh	04:44
ToHellWithGA	DanaG: i bought a wireless g usb key just because of that bunk module	04:44
ToHellWithGA	the ralink usb module works fine with all speeds	04:44
ToHellWithGA	i unplugged the pci card until i read up that i could manually set the speed	04:45
* gx009 : gnome beats kde		04:45
MightyTweek	milos_: yeah, I've done that	04:45
* DanaG wonders which works better: b43 or ipw2200.		04:45
DanaG	I've got one of the latter in an old laptop around here.	04:45
MightyTweek	milos_: not with synaptic though, it was with apt-get IIRC	04:46
ToHellWithGA	lol @ "old laptop"	04:46
DanaG	Well, it is: toshiba 1415-s105	04:46
ToHellWithGA	i used that wireless usb adapter to install hardy on a 200Mhz pentium 2 laptop	04:46
ToHellWithGA	it was ace	04:46
milos_	man i was soo furious, I wanted to submit like 19 angry bug reports	04:46
DanaG	The wifi card is yoinked from a a friend's dead newer laptop.	04:46
ToHellWithGA	one usb port, 3.6GB hard drive	04:46
* DanaG wonders: what could you use a P2 laptop for nowadays?		04:47
DanaG	We've got one that's sort of abandoned in place (shoved in the back of a closet).	04:47
ToHellWithGA	milos_: that's what "ubuntu-desktop" is for	04:47
gx009	victory!! 2.6.27-3 works with no acpi=off	04:47
ToHellWithGA	reinstall the meta-package milos_	04:48
ToHellWithGA	DanaG: it's my grandmother's laptop	04:48
ToHellWithGA	she plays solitaire and freecell	04:48
gx009	those are windows games..	04:49
ToHellWithGA	absolutely not	04:49
ToHellWithGA	those a re card games	04:49
gx009	play gnometrix!!	04:49
ToHellWithGA	s/a re/are/	04:49
ToHellWithGA	she is 70 years old	04:50
ToHellWithGA	transitioning to gnome games with the same game was ok in my book	04:50
milos_	i have installed some packages with dbg symbols(firefox and xulruner) from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com and it removed some very important form gnome	04:50
ToHellWithGA	no windows 98 games for her :)	04:50
gx009	good.. she's still in time to witness the glory of teh linuz	04:51
ToHellWithGA	my poor grandfather	04:51
DanaG	All my family friends are too stubborn to want to switch to anything.	04:51
ToHellWithGA	he's getting the alzheimers	04:51
milos_	somehow i figured out in aptitude what was the problem	04:51
ToHellWithGA	it's too late to try to teach him how not to click every popup that says "click me"	04:51
ToHellWithGA	he's on his 5th windows xp computer	04:52
ToHellWithGA	he bogs them down and abandons them	04:52
DanaG	Adblock Plus?	04:52
DanaG	Free hardware?	04:52
milos_	ToHellWithGA, I have fix it, what a relief	04:52
ToHellWithGA	i refuse to do his tech support because he has a cluster of poorly-organized files he moves from one machine to the next with the help of some local computer shop	04:52
gx009	i have a amd k7 with Xubuntu in it..	04:53
ToHellWithGA	c:\work\property\jaksdf.wpd and c:\documents\personal\lksjdlfjsdlfkj.wpd	04:53
DanaG	Hmm, just sit back and enjoy the free hardware when he discards the old stuff?	04:53
ToHellWithGA	not at all	04:54
ToHellWithGA	i run all intel motherbaord/chipset stuff to avoid hassle	04:54
ToHellWithGA	i suppose i could salvage some RAM from it	04:55
gx009	am making that k7 into a debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes.. it still got about 700mb ram	04:55
DanaG	Another thing you could do: put in a dd-wrt router, run dnsmasq, and have it block the same sites that the Spybot hosts file blocks?	04:55
DanaG	s/\?/./	04:55
ToHellWithGA	the guy has been asking me for two years to help him get broadband internet	04:56
ToHellWithGA	i've explained it to him a few times, patiently	04:56
ToHellWithGA	he now has broadband in his florida home but not in his winter home	04:56
ToHellWithGA	it perplexes him that he can't take it with him	04:56
DanaG	Time for a laptop with the mobile broadband?	04:57
ToHellWithGA	because he has the same long distance phone service, he thinks all of it should be a choice	04:57
DanaG	i.e. through phone provider?	04:57
ToHellWithGA	yeah that wouldn't be bad	04:57
DanaG	s/phone/cellphone/	04:57
ToHellWithGA	since he is on dialup he would not find that slow	04:57
ToHellWithGA	he's stuck on wordperfect	04:57
ToHellWithGA	he refuses to learn to use MS word	04:58
DanaG	Bonus points for built-in instead of dongle.	04:58
ToHellWithGA	as much as i hate word, it's more current and more widely-used	04:58
ToHellWithGA	i will not be teaching him LaTeX :)	04:58
ToHellWithGA	bedtime for bonzo	04:58
ToHellWithGA	good talk y'all	04:59
DanaG	Heh, random thing: I set up a 6to4 tunnel thingy on my dd-wrt router, but then disabled it when I considered that it'd be essentially unfirewalled.	04:59
DanaG	What hardware does he get, that you won't use?	04:59
DanaG	You could also tell him to donate to various places, for a tax deduction or something.	04:59
* burner wonders what audio fixes are planned for intrepid... i still can't be playing rhythmbox and then watch a flash video at the same time		05:22
DanaG	I can.	05:27
DanaG	=þ	05:27
literal	I'm trying to compile an application and I'm getting "sh: o: not found"	06:08
literal	some Googling leads me to believe that I'm missing something related to gcc and g++	06:08
literal	I'm not very familiar with ubuntu's packages yet though, so I don't know what I'm missing	06:08
DanaG	try make SHELL=/bin/bash whatever	06:09
DanaG	the default shell in Ubuntu is 'dash'	06:09
DanaG	.... which is not able to handle 'bashisms'	06:09
literal	it's scons, not make :)	06:09
DanaG	aah, then try to export it first, instead.	06:09
* Jordan_U wonders why people ask for /bin/sh when they really want bash		06:13
literal	"export SHELL=/bin/bash" doesn't help	06:13
literal	and the supplied SConstruct script doesn't say anything about which shell to use, so I guess scons itself is to blame	06:14
literal	even changing the /bin/sh symlink doesn't help	06:15
DanaG	aah.	06:19
DanaG	Perhaps you can execute whatever interpreter it is, with some "print everything it executes" parameter.	06:19
literal	that would be python	06:20
literal	too bad I'm a Perl guy...	06:21
alka_trash	Hey I'm downloading Ubuntu 8.10 and I'm pretty excited - does anyone know if Pulse audio is better in this release alpha 5? well compared to hardy	06:21
DanaG	but anyway, man python.... it may have a way to make it print.	06:22
DanaG	http://product.cowon.com/product/IFA/product_page_2.php --- yay for support for open-source formats!	06:25
* DanaG is not a fan of Apple.		06:27
literal	http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons_1.0.1-0.1_all.deb	06:29
literal	does this link work for anyone here?	06:29
* DanaG wants a USB thumb drive: http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0905		06:29
=== fargiolas\|afk is now known as fargiolas
teratoma	what's the setting that makes nautilus make all of your folders in /home appear on your desktop ?	06:56
literal	/apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir in gconf	06:57
* DanaG did that, AND symlinked Desktop to home		07:01
DanaG	so apps that don't respect it still work as expected.	07:01
DanaG	/home/dana/Desktop -> /home/dana/	07:01
literal	apparently all that was needed was "sudo aptitude install g++"	07:05
Daisuke_Ido	literal: build-essential didn't do it?	07:29
DanaG	What's up with the hg-mirror.alsa-project.org?	07:35
DanaG	No changes in 3 months.	07:35
DanaG	on alsa-kernel dir, that is.	07:35
literal	Daisuke_Ido: it would have, but I was unaware of it	07:36
TuTUXG	anyone is experiencing problem with connecting to a large (larger than 160G) usb hard drive?	07:40
literal	wait, lemme connect my 250GB drive and see	07:41
TuTUXG	literal, mine is a 200g 3.5 usb drive, and it's about 80% full	07:42
literal	3.5" here as well, 33% full	07:43
literal	no problems at all	07:43
TuTUXG	hardy livecd mount it fine, but not with intrepid alpha 5 (either live cd or installed system)	07:43
literal	what filesystem?	07:43
literal	FAT32 here	07:43
TuTUXG	xfs and reiserfs	07:44
TuTUXG	i have two partitions	07:44
TuTUXG	and another one with ntfs (160) couldn't mount either	07:45
TuTUXG	...	07:45
TuTUXG	i'm wondering if the unetboot installation screwed this up...	07:46
TuTUXG	the wired thing is i have another two 2.5" usb drive (both are 40g) and they all mounted fine...	07:47
TuTUXG	with the 3.5" one, after i connected, nothing happened, not even under /dev/	07:49
TuTUXG	...	07:52
DanaG	what does dmesg show about it?	07:55
TuTUXG	DanaG, wait a sec, let me see	07:55
TuTUXG	[ 1438.773216] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : No Sense [current]	07:56
TuTUXG	[ 1438.773220] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Add. Sense: No additional sense information	07:56
DanaG	Summarize, rather than pasting.	07:56
DanaG	Hmm, odd.	07:56
TuTUXG	it just repeats that again and again	07:56
TuTUXG	except the time stamps r different	07:57
TuTUXG	what does that mean?	07:57
DanaG	It means something's screwy with the enclosure attaching.	07:58
TuTUXG	but it mounts fine with my old hardy and hardy livecd	07:59
TuTUXG	and winxp... , with the ntfs one	07:59
TuTUXG	btw it is not sata drive, it's ide	08:00
TuTUXG	i mean pata	08:01
Arenlor	So just how (un)stable is Intrepid currently?	08:09
Jordan_U	Arenlor: Depends on your hardware, last I heard none of the nvidia drivers were working :)	08:21
Jordan_U	Arenlor: But my comp is running pretty well	08:21
DanaG	The 173 and 177 drivers work for me, but not the 77 and 96 drivers.	08:27
Arenlor	I've only got to worry about BCM43XX and fglrx drivers myself ^_^	08:32
clusty	hey	08:50
clusty	wanted to know if its worth while me crying about the fact that bluetooth does get restarted after a suspend to ram?	08:50
Jordan_U	clusty: Yes, check if there is already a bug filed and if not file one please.	08:58
clusty	Jordan_U, acceptable?	09:05
clusty	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/268877	09:05
ubottu	Launchpad bug 268877 in bluez-utils "bluetooth service does not restart after a suspend to ram" [Undecided,New]	09:05
clusty	or should say about hardware and stuff?	09:05
Jordan_U	clusty: Can't hurt to give info on what hardware you have, they will probably ask for it later if you don't	09:12
clusty	done	09:15
clusty	thanks	09:15
Jordan_U	clusty: Thank you for taking the time to report the bug :)	09:18
clusty	it's my pride :D	09:19
clusty	might be the first bug that was not reported and was not dissmissed due to lack of info :D	09:19
=== mvo__ is now known as mvo
ernstp	anyone know usplash details?	12:46
ernstp	I'm having the problem that it starts from the initramfs, but then it quits and drops me back to the console after a while	12:47
ernstp	probably when the initramfs is done	12:47
mrxmike	hihi	13:22
mrxmike	vmware-tools (For guest OS) fails to install on intrepid	13:22
mrxmike	the kernel panics / crashes =), known problem?	13:22
mrxmike	2: can i somehow become a 'professional' beta tester, together with a friend of me?	13:23
mrxmike	(both IT professionals, well my friend is attending computer science at uni..)	13:23
mrxmike	vbe_init() failed with -22, is what i get after installing vmware.. i guess that this is the vmware kernel module crashing	13:26
mrxmike	hmmm, actually... its not i see.	13:26
mrxmike	its on launchpad already i see =)	13:27
Ng	mrxmike: vmware is so not our problem, it's vmware's problem ;)	13:34
mrxmike	it sure is	13:34
Ng	mrxmike: as for being a "professional" beta tested, if you mean for Ubuntu there is no such thing, just test and file good bugs :)	13:34
mrxmike	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/v86d/+bug/189621	13:34
ubottu	Launchpad bug 189621 in v86d "v86d missing, needed for uvesafb (dup-of: 246269)" [Undecided,Fix released]	13:34
ubottu	Launchpad bug 246269 in linux-meta "Switched from vesafb to uvesafb, but uvesafb can't work without v86d" [Undecided,Invalid]	13:34
mrxmike	but there are problems with the vesa driver uvesafb	13:35
mrxmike	Ng: ahhh k .. well.. guess i should become a launchpadder then ;)	13:35
Ng	absolutely	13:35
Ng	also try to be responsive to bugs - often you'll get someone ask you to file some more information (hardware info, kernel messages, steps to reproduce, etc) and if you don't respond, the bug will end up expiring	13:36
mrxmike	Ng: sometimes people ask unnessarily more info, to just avoid to pick up on a problem	13:38
mrxmike	that kills..	13:38
mrxmike	.. uhh where's kubu on launchpad? :S	13:41
mrxmike	kubuntu=ubuntu with just KDE repos added? :S	13:44
mrxmike	i dont get it	13:44
dns53	the kde desktop, the repo's are common	13:44
mrxmike	well.. then there's a really thin line between them.......................	13:46
jtechidna	kubuntu=ubuntu with a different set of default software	13:46
mrxmike	the difference is as small a s few hundred packages then	13:46
jtechidna	basically KDE + KDE versions of Ubuntu-specific tools	13:46
mrxmike	dns53: nearly common i guess you mean	13:46
mrxmike	yeah k =) qt..	13:46
dns53	you can change between them by adding/removeing ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop	13:46
jtechidna	Ubuntu is basically Gnome + GTK versions of Ubuntu-specific tools	13:47
mrxmike	are the ubu dev teams focused as much on both	14:00
mrxmike	or is kubuntu a 2nd thing.. ?	14:01
mrxmike	my first bug report =) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/268975	14:01
ubottu	Launchpad bug 268975 in dolphin "Dolphin segfaults when the view is changed" [Undecided,New]	14:01
jtechidna	mrxmike: I can reproduce your crash!	14:11
jtechidna	I will get a proper backtrace and report it to KDE	14:11
jtechidna	Thanks for helping make Kubuntu and KDE better for everyone.	14:12
=== bluedog_ is now known as bluedog
mrxmike	jtechidna: you as well :-))	14:30
* jtechidna reboots to see if the new kernel fixed things		14:32
mrxmike	k :)	14:32
JontheEchidna	meh, still crashes modprobe	15:04
mrxmike	whats wrong? :)	15:05
JontheEchidna	oh, modprobe dies when I boot with the .27 kernel	15:05
Turski	how do i get virtualbox working in interpid, since it doesn't have correct kernel module?	15:13
mrxmike	you dont	15:14
mrxmike	i think	15:14
mrxmike	Turski: why run virtualbox on intrepid?	15:14
Turski	why not?	15:15
lore20	Turski:	15:15
lore20	u need to install another kernell	15:15
lore20	compile a vanilla... ore use a previous version	15:16
Turski	stupid :/	15:16
Turski	why there's no module for latest kernel?	15:16
mrxmike	ask #vbox	15:17
mrxmike	virtualbox doesnt support Alpha releases /kernels used in it i think... that will be the answer you get	15:17
=== schmidtm_ is now known as schmidtm
ute	hello @ll, is there any possibility to use the nvidia-glx-96 driver pakage under 8.10 alpha5?	15:25
JontheEchidna	ute: nope	15:25
ute	would there be an option in the final or must i bury my geforce 3	15:29
JontheEchidna	depends on when nvidia releases an updated driver	15:30
ute	not very satisfying, but typically nvidia	15:31
flithm	hey everyone... when ibex I don't get fglrx installed by default like I did with hardy, and when I install fglrx my system gets totally hosed. I have an older ATI card. Does anyone know what's going on? With Hardy compiz ran no problem but I'm having real trouble getting it to work on Ibex	15:32
flithm	when == with sorry	15:32
JontheEchidna	fglrx probably isn't compatible with the new xorg, gotta wait until ati releases an update	15:33
flithm	ahhh	15:33
flithm	gotcha	15:33
JontheEchidna	I think the free drivers do some 3D accell, so at least you aren't as screwed as us legacy nvidia users	15:34
flithm	yeah that sucks. Nvidia's been kind going down the tubes the last year or so. I used to say I'd never buy another ATI card but maybe that'll change	15:35
flithm	well I suppose it'll be AMD	15:35
=== seisen__ is now known as seisen
flithm	I wonder what'll happen if there's still no fglrx ready by the time 8.10 ships. that'll probably be messy for a lot of people	15:36
flithm	not to mention the nvidia legacy driver. does nvidia even have plans to update it?	15:37
JontheEchidna	from what I've heard, sorta	15:40
flithm	well that's good :)	15:40
linkinxp	hello!.......how is intrepid running??	15:48
mrxmike	pretty Alpha, if you ask me :)	15:48
linkinxp	lol	15:48
mrxmike	its getting to the 'right way',	15:48
linkinxp	i guess	15:48
mrxmike	but not really usable as a desktop OS	15:48
linkinxp	i had troubles with video!	15:48
mrxmike	(ie. adept is not really available)	15:49
JontheEchidna	mrxmike: what do you mean by not really available?	15:53
mrxmike	well, i wasnt able to search for packages	15:53
mrxmike	tried to use it 5min ago it said something about 'this is not implemented yet' :S	15:53
JontheEchidna	oh right, you can't search by package titles yet.	15:53
mrxmike	JontheEchidna: so its not really usable i should say, not avalable	15:54
JontheEchidna	but overall adept3 is much more stable and less slow than adept2	15:55
jnsquire	Update manager is refusing to download the latest updates, is the repository currently broken?	15:55
mrxmike	tried	15:55
mrxmike	apt-get update first ?	15:55
jnsquire	Yeah	15:56
mrxmike	then try, apt-get dist-upgrade	15:56
jnsquire	OK, apt-get dist-upgrade seems to be OK.	15:57
mrxmike	now the 'update manager' 'popup' should be gone...	15:58
jnsquire	Thanks	15:58
mrxmike	jnsquire: doesnt the update manager try to use adept...	15:58
mrxmike	(which is like just said - a bit broken still..)	15:58
jnsquire	Dunno, haven't looked under the covers	15:59
mrxmike	ok	15:59
=== ute is now known as [Mies]Muschel
=== fargiolas is now known as fargiolas\|afk
milosz	what's the current problems with ALSA?	17:00
milosz	i get no sound in Miro, and no way i try to set it up, it just doesn't work	17:00
milosz	the only app where it works right is my own media player but it also has a quite advanced config for ALSA	17:00
milosz	maybe the "default" device doesn't work (?)	17:01
gx009	2.6.27-3 :: gnome 2.23.92 :: x64 :: mouse pointer dissapears from screen; only rebooting brings mouse pointer back up. it still works while in this invisible state e.g. i can still click on things but it is invisible	17:15
gx009	nothing obvious triggers it.. ramdom .. last time it was opening laptop back up and mouse was cloaked again ..	17:17
milosz	it's MPX malfunctioning! this time it thinks there are no pointers at all..	17:17
gx009	do you know if there is already a bug report about it?	17:19
milosz	i was just joking, MPX isn't implemented yet	17:19
milosz	gx009, what graphics driver do you use?	17:19
gx009	that might be it.. i havent enabled the nvidia drivers yet	17:20
milosz	well it's still a bug with whatever drive you currently use...	17:20
milosz	might be worth reporting	17:20
gx009	true	17:20
ronny	yo	17:21
ronny	got a weird issue, network-manager stops my manual configured usb0 (in /etc/network/interfaces) from working - any idea how to make it stop caring?	17:21
DrHalan	hey, did video playback break ?	17:23
DrHalan	videos play slow and without sound in gstreamer	17:23
ronny	hardy just never cared about usb0 to begin with	17:23
ronny	but intrepid basicall disconnects all my other connections if i connect my openmoko to the usb	17:24
ronny	its a massive pain and i have no idea how to fix	17:24
gx009	gvfsd-trash just crashed!	17:26
milosz	that release date is never gonna be held]	17:26
milosz	kept*	17:26
gx009	tell that to the kde guys	17:26
milosz	why KDE?	17:27
milosz	delayed 4.2 or what is it about?	17:27
gx009	its looking pretty sad.. i just ran 4.1.1 the other day .. terrible.. nothing worked on my laptop	17:27
milosz	KDE 4 is overengineered in details	17:27
gx009	even adept was broken. which is REALLY scary	17:28
ronny	anyone?	17:30
bsnider	lew's running a nice piece about linux today:	17:31
bsnider	http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/coleman2.html	17:31
bsnider	i don't think i agree that it's "thriving", although i guess he means it's a lot more usable than it was 10 years ago	17:31
gx009	in the past couple of years we've seen linux systems installed in more production machines ... dell, the newest sylvania and eeepc, google's gOS , etc.. i'd say thats 'thriving'	17:33
bsnider	in the same time, apple has grown much more	17:34
bsnider	that's thriving. linux is slowly growing	17:35
gx009	they own they're own hardware.. go figure	17:35
gx009	s/they're/their	17:35
bsnider	i don't see the connection. microsoft doesn't own its own hardware. they make deals with oems	17:43
gx009	money deals.. unless you wanna be a hobbyist .. can you?	17:44
gx009	s/hobbyist/lobbyist	17:45
gx009	lol	17:45
gx009	since nm-applet doesnt wanna save my password i guess am trying creating a 'new wireless network'	17:46
bsnider	gx009, why doesn't it save your password? saves mine	17:50
bsnider	what happens exactly?	17:50
milosz	i agree that it's not "thriving" (just wanted to add that)	17:51
gx009	it does automatically bring up the 'enter your password' dialog for the right network .. but i have to manually input it everytime..	18:01
gx009	i just created an autoNETWORKX ("new connection") so i'll logout and check it	18:04
gx009	no results.. & am connecting a with a low signal strength even though am right next to the router	18:06
bsnider	gx009, you mean it asks for the network key, or it asks for the root password to get the gnome-keyring?	18:08
gx009	just network key	18:11
bsnider	network-manager has nothing to do with signal strength. that's the driver's reponsibility	18:11
gx009	i didnt say it did	18:12
gx009	i just commented on that	18:12
bsnider	i see	18:12
bsnider	what wifi card is it?	18:12
tsuther	hello	18:41
tsuther	anyone have advice for me - I've got a Thinkpad t60 and running intretpid alpha5, the scroll wheel no longer works	18:42
tsuther	how do I fix with this fancy new xorg?	18:42
Sylphid\|work	dunno if this is the right place to ask but can anyone tell me why traceroute is not installed by the default ubuntu installation cd	18:42
Sylphid\|work	or if it is scheduled to be added in intrepid	18:43
milosz	it's never been installed by default	18:44
milosz	by which i wanted to speculate that it will not change in I.I.	18:44
milosz	tsuther, scroll wheel on what kind of device? USB mouse?	18:45
DanaG	Trackpoint stick, most likely.	18:45
DanaG	That'd be the "EmulateWheelButton" option.	18:45
milosz	a trackpoint stick most likely also doesn't have a scroll wheel	18:45
milosz	s/also//	18:46
tsuther	sorry	18:57
Bauldrick	how can i stop my screen going black everytime i press a key on the keyboard?	18:57
tsuther	DanaG: yes, the trackpoint	18:57
tsuther	milosz: it would be the middle mouse button scrolling on the trackpoint, not the "touchpad"	18:58
DanaG	Hmm, synaptics now uses fdi files, instead of the xorg.conf.	18:59
milosz	ow the trackpoint scroll ok	18:59
DanaG	copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ and edit it	18:59
tsuther	fdi is new, right?	18:59
milosz	fdi files have been used since HAL was introduced	18:59
DanaG	You'd want to add the things mentioned here:	18:59
DanaG	http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint	19:00
milosz	eh i think i'm not enough informed about this	19:00
DanaG	the emulatewheelbutton thing.	19:00
tsuther	doesn't xorg handle mice and keyboards differently with the new version?	19:00
utonto	hello	19:56
utonto	i'd like to know... is it normal that ubuntu ibex doesn have tty1 -6 but just the graphic one?	19:56
void^	no	19:57
utonto	tha't wierd than, cause since i installed it i just have the tty7 that's the one i am using atm	19:58
utonto	is there anything to change in the grub menu to allow having all the terminals?	19:59
carandraug	utonto: I have all tty, 1 to 6	20:00
carandraug	utonto: by the way, do you really need that many tty? May I suggest using screen instead?	20:01
Pici	!bugs	20:01
ubottu	If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots	20:01
utonto	no i don't really need all of them	20:01
utonto	but at least a non-graphical one	20:02
utonto	to use in case of troubles with the X server	20:02
Samushka	i am having issues w/ my Intel X3100 graphics card in Ibex, i seem to be in VESA mode... ubuntu seems to boot up, gfx is garbled, then reboots, and works, but like i said, im in VESA mode...	20:07
Samushka	how does one install/force intel drivers on ubuntu 8.10 ?	20:08
utonto	change the driver in your xorg.conf	20:08
utonto	just type intel in there	20:08
Samushka	/etc/X11/xorg.conf ... i dont see nothing configured in there, is there a way to configure xorg.conf auotmtically for first time?	20:09
utonto	sudo dpkg-reconfigure	20:12
Samushka	i tried that, but it doesnt give me an option to pick my video card.	20:13
Samushka	do i set my indentifier to "Intel" >	20:13
Samushka	?	20:13
Bauld	how can i stop the screen gpoing black when i type?!!	20:14
Fujisan	where is jono bacon?	20:17
Fujisan	JONO BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	20:18
Fujisan	I SUMMEN THEE	20:18
pwnguin	Fujisan: jono@ubuntu.com	20:18
Fujisan	you know him?	20:18
pwnguin	more than i know you	20:18
jussi01	He is the community manager...	20:19
Fujisan	yeah	20:19
Fujisan	I took a picture with him a while back: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3227/2438454269_a3489e2235.jpg	20:19
stdin	Fujisan: this is a support channel, #ubuntu-offtopic is for general chat	20:20
Fujisan	oh wow	20:21
Fujisan	I know this channel is for fallaciloquence	20:22
Fujisan	thank you stdin	20:22
Fujisan	i am here because i wanted to know where i can get ubuntu intrepid ibex	20:22
Fujisan	amagawd	20:23
Fujisan	i cant find any download locations for it	20:24
pwnguin	alpha 5?	20:24
Fujisan	yeah	20:24
teratoma	you can download an iso or upgrade your install of Hardy	20:24
pwnguin	so in the topic is this url...	20:24
Fujisan	:/	20:24
Fujisan	yeha i know i been there	20:24
Fujisan	didnt help me one bit	20:24
Fujisan	i dont have ubuntu yet	20:25
* gx009 :: google is your friend		20:25
Fujisan	no its not	20:25
stdin	!daily	20:25
ubottu	Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/	20:25
teratoma	so download a iso of it and install	20:25
Fujisan	thanks	20:25
stdin	all the ISOs are on that server	20:25
Fujisan	so what are the new features?	20:26
pwnguin	http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5	20:26
Fujisan	and when is gnome being replaced?	20:26
pwnguin	define replaced	20:26
teratoma	you can install kubuntu with KDE if you hate gnome	20:26
* gx009 :: smells trolls		20:26
Fujisan	jono bacon blogged about it	20:26
Fujisan	gx009 please	20:27
PriceChild	Fujisan: blogged about gnome being replaced?	20:27
Fujisan	i am not a troll	20:27
teratoma	trolling ubuntu sounds pretty boring	20:27
gx009	!enter	20:27
ubottu	Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!	20:27
Fujisan	Jono Bacon; Although I am an ardent supporter and fanboy around GNOME, and I love the desktop for its simplicity and elegance…GNOME has become the software equivalent of my dad’s comfortable trousers - predictable and reliable, but has ceased to be exciting and innovative in new, innovative, visual, inspirational ways.	20:27
_emet_	!info mono	20:27
ubottu	Package mono does not exist in intrepid	20:27
_emet_	O_o	20:27
PriceChild	Fujisan: Jono Bacon is the Ubuntu Community Manager. As far as I know he isn't in charge of decisions like that, nor does he indicate in that passage that it is being replaced. That is simply his opinion.	20:28
Fujisan	gx009 what !enter?	20:28
PriceChild	Fujisan: read what ubottu said immediately following that trigger	20:28
Fujisan	i agree with jono bacon	20:28
pwnguin	Fujisan: that post was about invogorating gnome, not killing it	20:29
Fujisan	i know	20:29
Fujisan	i meant to say revamped instead of replaced	20:29
_emet_	what is being replaced?	20:29
_emet_	gnome is being replaced?	20:29
teratoma	yes, with ion3	20:29
_emet_	about time	20:29
gx009	:-/	20:29
Fujisan	because i believe KDE people are designed challenged, and gnome has great potential	20:30
Fujisan	stdin i cant join #ubuntu-offtopic i have a 6 month old ban from there	20:30
teratoma	i can't imagine why	20:30
Fujisan	so its not okay to talk about the future of ubuntu in here?	20:30
Fujisan	i have nowhere else to go	20:30
=== _emet_ is now known as emet
pwnguin	talk is cheap, really.	20:31
pwnguin	anyone know what magic I must invoke to get nvidia working with dkms?	20:31
emet	um]	20:32
emet	!info mono-gmcs	20:32
ubottu	mono-gmcs (source: mono): Mono C# 2.0 and C# 3.0 compiler for CLI 2.0. In component main, is optional. Version 1.9.1+dfsg-3ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 353 kB, installed size 1080 kB	20:32
emet	damnit	20:32
emet	that version is buggy	20:32
emet	I hope Ubuntu upgrades to Mono 2.0	20:33
Bauld	anyone help me stop my screen going black when typing!?	20:35
Bauld	what should xorg.conf look like in intrepid then, mine says this http://pastebin.com/m45ba6364	20:44
gx009	have you tried booting in recovery mode and select option 'fix xserver'? that might help	20:45
gx009	that's another way of resetting your xorg.conf to default values	20:46
Bauld	give it a go now	20:47
pisecx	Hi,	20:51
pisecx	is it possible to fix problem with Human-Murrine	20:51
pisecx	?	20:51
Bauld	nah, it still black when i type and seems to be when i toucj the mouse first time	20:52
Bauld	i only upgraded to see if i could get my rtl 8150 wifi card working - cant even boot with .27 kernel because screen is black after logo! stupid noob!!	20:54
gx009	have you enabled proprietary drivers?	20:54
Bauld	where are they on this	20:55
pisecx	Guys, how can I fix look of gnome?	20:55
pisecx	It's broken	20:56
pisecx	And seems like it's a know issue, according to this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Alpha-4-Screenshot-Tour-91907.shtml	20:56
Bauld	sorry , but its almost impossible to see anything as each time i touch keyboard/mouse it goes black, flashes	20:56
pisecx	But I could find how to install Human-Murrine	20:56
gx009	if 'this' means your on gnome, Bauld, then look in system>administration>hardware drivers	20:57
Bauld	sorry , meant intrepid - im on kubuntu	20:57
Bauld	no propriety drivers in use	20:58
gx009	try enabling it.. restart..	20:59
Bauld	nothing to enable?	20:59
pisecx	stop to ignore me ))	20:59
Pici	pisecx: Look in Launchpad to see if a bug is logged, if not, log one.	20:59
Pici	!bugs	21:00
ubottu	If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots	21:00
pisecx	thanks	21:00
gx009	then i guess you should update/upgrade, Bauld; because there should be a proprietary driver option in there ...	21:00
pisecx	Pici: yes, it logged https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-theme/+bug/257712, I have installed this package, I don't see error any more but can not use standart human theme	21:02
ubottu	Launchpad bug 257712 in human-theme "human-murrine theme is missing" [Undecided,Fix released]	21:02
pisecx	Pici: should I try to restart?	21:02
Pici	pisecx: You shouldnt have to, but you may need to restart gnome.	21:03
Pici	Or relog	21:03
pisecx	Pici ok, will try now	21:04
Bauld	gx009: update/upgrade still nothing in hardware drivers	21:04
Bauld	i'm on this mind 2.6.25-1-386 as nothing else will boot - that make a difference?	21:05
gx009	do you have 2.6.27-2 installed already?	21:08
Bauld	yeah , but it wont start after load	21:08
Bauld	just a black screen - so i have to go back to this one	21:09
gx009	try editing kernel line adding acpi=off (at the end) and see if it boots	21:09
gx009	in grub	21:09
gx009	you can also just kate /etc/grub/menu.lst and add it there	21:12
gx009	then restart, of course	21:13
Bauld	brb ofcourse	21:13
oliver_g_1	hmm...	21:17
oliver_g_1	shouldn't the "nautilus" package be installed by default?	21:17
gx009	not if you have kde	21:17
oliver_g_1	no, it's ubuntu	21:17
oliver_g_1	and I'm wondering why Gnome desktop won't come up after last update	21:18
oliver_g_1	ok, /var/log/dpkg.log says it has removed nautilus and nautilus-cdburner today :-/	21:19
oliver_g_1	that might explain the login problems	21:20
gx009	that doesnt just happen .. a user had to have done that.. regardless, you have to reinstall that then	21:22
gx009	thats my guess	21:22
oliver_g_1	(ah ok, it has removed ubuntu-desktop, probably because I didn't select DistUpgrade in update-manager today)	21:22
oliver_g_1	wheee... desktop is back, _and_ it finally runs fast inside virtualbox :-D	21:24
oliver_g_1	thanks to the kernel patchers!	21:24
Bauld	argh, no joy	21:25
gx009	i suggest you take acpi=off out of the boot line and proceed to check the forums for a match to your situation or stay tuned 'til someone else can lead you in the right direction; unfortunately thats all i have	21:29
Bauld	gx009: cheers for your time, much appreciated	21:31
DanaG	Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from.	21:38
DanaG	http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png	21:38
Irfan	hi, I need help installing VirtualBox 2.0	21:49
=== RAOF_ is now known as RAOF
DanaG	2.0?	21:51
DanaG	Woah.	21:52
DanaG	That's news to me.	21:52
Irfan	yap, it's out in the sun	21:52
Irfan	I'am having problems with a compiler actually	21:52
Irfan	it says that there are known issues with gcc4,3	21:53
Irfan	and that I should use older verision	21:53
Irfan	but, that's the part I don't know how to do	21:53
DanaG	try this: CC=gcc-4.2 /media/VBOXwhateverthepathistotheinstaller	22:06
DanaG	or anyway, export CC=gcc-4.2 before running the install thingy.	22:06
Bauld	haha, the black screen when typing was to do with onboard vga thingy - just robbed a shite old nvidia card from another pc and it works fine now, no no propriety drivers though	22:13
pwnguin	anyone know how to make dkms+nvidia happy?	22:17
gx009_	https://launchpad.net/dkms <---- maybe you should give them a shout	22:19
RAOF	pwnguin: In what way are they unhappy now?	22:20
RAOF	pwnguin: I've found simply reinstalling the nvidia-1xx-kernel-source packge unborks it, on the one occasion it got confused.	22:21
pwnguin	its been broked for a while, i just decided now is the time to bother with it	22:21
pwnguin	man, im watching this series of training videos at work for Ubuntu	22:25
pwnguin	terrible	22:25
pwnguin	based on like 7.04	22:25
pwnguin	topics include: Easy Ubuntu & Automatix [7:27]	22:26
RAOF	Whoops!	22:27
pwnguin	the closed captioning uses the wrong slashes	22:28
pwnguin	even when the author made a deliberate point about it	22:28
pwnguin	\home\	22:28
RAOF	Ba baw!	22:28
pwnguin	yay. raof fixed it	22:29
pwnguin	next question: what's the story with bootup?	22:31
literal	explain	22:31
RAOF	Expound.	22:31
pwnguin	kernel-helper seems to be spawning some terrible disk io	22:31
pwnguin	find, cpio, frontend, lsb_release, apt-cache	22:32
ganymede	i'm kind of unaware of how packages are upgraded within an ubuntu version...is it like only security and bugfix updates are allowed within a single version, so when 8.10 is created, that's the only opportunity for major-number updates?	22:35
ganymede	or is ubuntu always bleeding edge, as long as it's stable?	22:35
bsnider	how do you define bleeding edge?	22:44
ganymede	latest tarball available, provided it turns out to be stable	22:45
bsnider	no, that doesn't ever happen	22:45
ganymede	i guess what i'm really asking is whether packages ever hold back the newest version of something simply because it's too big of a step, and decide to put it off until ubuntu+1	22:46
bsnider	yes, all the time	22:46
RAOF	Um, no. Almost always not.	22:46
ganymede	packagers*	22:46
bsnider	even small stuff like pidgin is put off until the next release	22:46
RAOF	Except after Feature Freeze (which we're in now).	22:46
RAOF	Before feature freeze, the reason why we don't have the latest upstream version is generally because no one's had time to package it.	22:47
ganymede	bsnider: and the reason for this is because of commercial 24/7 support? you don't want to have to support a version that ubuntu wasn't shipped with?	22:47
ganymede	oh, okay	22:47
bsnider	i guess that's it	22:47
pwnguin	its not just "commercial support"	22:47
ganymede	but is that only reason? if someone actually took the time to package the newest pidgin and make sure it's stable, would it go into 8.04?	22:47
bsnider	after using hardy for 5 months, almost nothing in it is bleeding edge anymore	22:47
pwnguin	ganymede: there's a process for exceptions	22:48
bsnider	ganymede, no it would not	22:48
bsnider	it might go into a ppa for you to go out and get	22:48
bsnider	i got pidgin 2.5 from getdeb	22:48
bsnider	for hardy	22:48
ganymede	and the reason for it not to go into official repos, even though it's proven stable, is?	22:49
ganymede	(assuming it was proven stable)	22:49
pwnguin	this is like assuming no friction or wind restance	22:49
pwnguin	works good on paper, but we live in the real world	22:49
pwnguin	for example	22:50
bsnider	how would anyone know if it was stable? besides programming resources are put into the next ubuntu release, not into adding features to the current one	22:50
bsnider	you can always go out and get new stuff from ppa's and getdeb and places like that. or build them yourself	22:50
pwnguin	the latest release of xournal was put out a while bak	22:50
pwnguin	and the dude was angry because we didnt ship it (his release was after feature freeze and nobody wanted to bother with it)	22:51
pwnguin	upstream isn't good at release engineering, often times	22:51
pwnguin	that xournal version had two releases within a day, because the first one was discovered to not actually work	22:52
pwnguin	"known stable" my ass ;)	22:52
bsnider	shuttleworth says he wants to address this issue by encouraging ppa repositories with new stuff	22:52
pwnguin	makes sense	22:53
pwnguin	except ppas have no signature	22:53
bsnider	yeah, that's annoying	22:53
bsnider	something will have to be done about that	22:53
pwnguin	lots of upstreams already do host their own repos	22:53
bsnider	maybe apt shouldn't check ppa repositories	22:53
ganymede	okay, thanks for the clarifications	22:54
pwnguin	it would be nice if we could get upstreams to participate more directly	22:55
DanaG	wtf... why is VirtualBox suid root?	22:59
anubis	evolution of all things is broken	22:59
DanaG	VirtualBox	22:59
DanaG	(process:3448): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.	22:59
pwnguin	http://people.cis.ksu.edu/~jld5445/intrepid-20080911-9.png	23:01
pwnguin	theres a boot chart for ya RAOF, literal	23:02
RAOF	DanaG: Possibly because it wants to mess with low-level kernel stuff?	23:02
DanaG	Aah.	23:02
DanaG	But shouldn't that be separate from the GUI?	23:02
DanaG	The GUI app itself is setuid.	23:02
RAOF	It could be.	23:02
pwnguin	what's it run as?	23:03
DanaG	-rws--s--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox	23:03
pwnguin	i think suid is needed to run as anyone, including nobody	23:03
DanaG	er,	23:04
DanaG	-rws--x--x 1 root root 16976 2008-09-04 03:31 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox	23:04
RAOF	DanaG: kvm gets around this by having the /dev/kvm device owned by the kvm group; virtualbox could presumably do something similar, but may not at the moment.	23:04
DanaG	So, I can't use the nice qgtkstyle.	23:04
RAOF	You could; just add it to root's themes, too.	23:06
DanaG	That's not the issue.	23:07
DanaG	or do you mean I have to run it as root for real?	23:07
DanaG	Isn't that essentially the same as setuid?	23:07
DanaG	... as in privileges, not as in how it works.	23:07
DanaG	Great, so now VirtualBox is fugly.	23:09
DanaG	If I run it as root, I can't use my VM.	23:09
DanaG	If I symlink root's .VirtualBox dir to mine, I get p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } Callee RC: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005)	23:10
pwnguin	interesting	23:10
pwnguin	your irc client uses css	23:10
RAOF	DanaG: What is the issue? Why doesn't the qgtkstyle work for root apps?	23:11
DanaG	Nope, the qt4 error dialog uses css, actually.	23:11
DanaG	that's a copy and paste.	23:11
DanaG	Root doesn't have my .VirtualBox dir; that's the issue.	23:11
DanaG	If I symlink it to mine, I get that error.	23:12
RAOF	Why does root need your .Virtualbox dir?	23:13
DanaG	... to use my VMs, of course.	23:13
RAOF	Oh, so this has changed recently?	23:13
DanaG	SO I don't have to redefine everything.	23:13
DanaG	gksu virtualbox -- try it.	23:13
* RAOF doesn't have virtualbox, so can't.		23:13
DanaG	Or without gksu, with using qgtkstyle.... it refuses to start due to being setuid.	23:13
DanaG	http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/2066	23:14
RAOF	Ah. That now makes sense.	23:14
DanaG	... or if I update qgtkstyle to one that drops back to something else on setuid, it starts with no listed VMs.	23:15
DanaG	Great, now I'm stuck with it uglier than before... at least when it was qt3, I had a decent theme.	23:16
DanaG	The fallback qt4 theme is ugly.	23:16
DanaG	Grr.	23:19
dupondje	There is a problem with teh configuration server. gconf-sanity-check-2 exited with status 256	23:44
dupondje	any id's ?	23:44

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