[00:00] bsinder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45544/ [00:01] well it got an ip address [00:02] can you ping google.com? [00:02] is ALSA known to be buggy atm? [00:03] yes, and i can bring it up in a browser, but other website, apt, and aMSN timeout [00:03] uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s? [00:03] because I can't get it to [00:21] -poke- anyone here that could lend me some help? [: [00:23] I was just wondering whether if my nVidia drivers are supposed to be freaking out with anything 3D accelerated and giving green and purple bars everywhere. [00:23] or if I should file a bug. xD [00:25] uhm, can Intrpeid play mp3s? [00:30] yes, if you install the appropriate codec [00:30] same as with any other ubuntu release [00:31] so if clever smartasses like ourselves already had the codec installed and no sound then what? [00:31] sound form streaming lastfm, but no sound from mp3s? [00:33] sounds like a pulseaudio problem to me. [01:08] Kubuntu Intrepid shows the desktop of my last session when it is starting session, inclusive after rebooting [01:26] Someone know the correct alternative of "update-manager -d" for kubuntu? [01:26] mib_lhfac4: do-release-upgrade should work (and is CLI), but I don't know the Kubuntu version [01:27] i should go in intrepid [01:27] now i'm in ubuntu hardy heron [01:27] and do-release-upgrade said: [01:27] Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found [01:27] You'd need to pass -d as well. [01:28] yeah work, thanks!!!! :-) [01:47] hay all, not sure of this is an intrepid issue or not.. but in order to get my wireless card to work (ndiswrapper), I have to restart dbus first? is this normal? [01:48] shadowhywind: Restarting dbus is probably restarting network manager & HAL & friends, which will then pick up your new (to the kernel) hardware. [01:49] That's not the best behaviour, so it might be worth filing a bug if you can reproduce this. [01:49] but even if the wireless card is on from boot? [01:50] any ideas on a fix? or something i can try so i can more info to the bug report [01:50] shadowhywind: Depends on what "on" means; the kernel doesn't know about it properly until ndiswrapper has loaded, and has the right windows driver wrapped, and loaded the firmware, etc. [01:50] If NM is getting loaded before all that happens, it may not pick up your card. [01:51] So, it seems you've already identified a fix; restart dbus. [01:51] the only issue that i have with restarting dbus, is that i lost like half the items in my systray [01:51] You could narrow this down by just restarting the network manager services; I believe they live in /etc/dbus/event.d [01:52] so perhaps running the network restart command might help? [01:52] Right. [01:54] I also have a problem with ndiswrapper since I updated to Intrepid. I have to stop NetworkManager (even though it's disable in the list of startup services), ifdown my network. Only after this Am I able to remove the ndiswrapper module. After reinserting the module I finally get internet [01:56] ok so /etc/init.d/networking restart looks like it didn't work [01:57] Yes, that's not network manager. [01:57] The network manager things live in /etc/dbus/event.d, or something. [01:57] i have a dbus-1 but nothin inside of event.d [01:58] Hm. Or they did. They don't seem to now :) [01:58] perhaps system.d [01:58] Heh. They seem to be in system.d now [01:59] so which one do i have to restart and how? [01:59] anybody around? [01:59] nioe hehe [01:59] nope** [01:59] shadowhywind: I'm not sure anymore; this has changed since last I fiddled with it. [01:59] it resides in /etc/init.d/NetworkManager . i have to stop it first to be able to fix my wireless connection with ndiswrapper [01:59] lol [02:00] Just wondering if anybody knew why the username thing on the top gnome panel always tells me I'm offline [02:00] carandraug: so you have the same issue then huh? [02:00] Bah! I should have paid more attention; /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart is probably your winner. [02:00] Joeb454: sorry i don't use gnome so can't help yah [02:00] psh [02:00] lol [02:01] ok going to give it a try, so brb [02:01] shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module [02:02] Joeb454, how do you connect to internet, with Network-manager or with 'pon connection'? [02:03] milos_, network manager I think (whatever's the default for connecting to wifi) [02:04] Joeb454, i had similar problems when I am connected from terminal, but your problem is another issue [02:05] hmm, it's not really a problem, but it is annoying [02:05] well that quiet didn't work === shadowhywind_ is now known as shadowhywind [02:08] shadowhywind: I don't think you got my message. You logged out first [02:08] shadowhywind: not sure what's your issue. I came into the room in the middle of your talk. I solved mine by running half a dozen commands. Stop Network manager, ifdown wireless interface, remove ndiswrapper module and reinserting the module [02:08] oh hehe [02:09] well in anycase sounds like i am going to get stuck with a few commands, i might as well stay with restarting dbus [02:09] Oooh, the gnome packagekit thingy doesn't freeze on retrieving changelogs like the old updater did! [02:10] Oh, and in addition: it doesn't show the WRONG item if you scroll quickly, unlike the old update-manager (which DID show the wrong things). [02:11] The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork! [02:11] hah. [02:14] oh! new updates and there are some network-manager updates! maybe they will fix the issues [02:15] shadowhywind: they didn't fix mine :p [02:15] oh [02:15] i wish they would post the new kernel.. hopeing that one will fix the last broken kernel for me. hehe [02:16] is there any plan to fix the incorrect rate setting in the rt2x00 modules? [02:16] since gutsy, wireless chipsets on the rt2x00 module have defaulted to a 1Mbps rate [02:16] it's a known problem that can be fixed by running "sudo iwconfig wlan0 rate 54M" [02:17] shadowhywind: I have problems with the latest kernel (because of my graph card) so I have to use Hardy's kernel [02:17] i was a little put off when i reset my computer running this bleeding-edge ubuntu version and it still had a bug that's been present since gutsy [02:18] carandraug: what video card is that? [02:18] carandraug: does your stop like a second into it and say kernel reallyy alive? [02:18] ToHellWithGA: ATI Radeon 9600XT [02:18] bummer [02:19] brb [02:19] shadowhywind: no. I just can't get anything there. I plan on try to check what's happening next week (I can't risk not having the computer working unntil Monday 5pm) [02:19] ah [02:20] shadowhywind: Only resolution I get with it is 640*430 or something like that [02:20] now thats bad [02:21] also anyone fimiliar with the konsole in kde 4.1? [02:23] yay: [02:23] - Avoid gnome-wm launching itself in loop [02:23] - Remove required components from the default session [02:23] So is that why I kept getting a freeze? [02:26] New version of gvfs: - Go back to using powers of 10 instead of powers of 2 for display sizes. This means we will agree with printed sizes for most devices (e.g. memory sticks will now correctly report "64MB volume" instead of previous "61.7MB volume"). [02:26] (also points out how annoying hard-wrapped text files can be. [02:26] ) [02:59] Has anyone successfully built SVN mplayer on Intrepid? [03:00] Probably. [03:00] But you're likely to get a better response to your actual question by asking it :) [03:00] RAOF, try out the new pulseaudio yet? [03:00] and for that matter the new kernel [03:01] Yes to both; neither help my hda_intel buffer underrun problem. [03:01] huh [03:01] RAOF: point well taken. My question: How can I get SVN mplayer to build successfully on Intrepid? :D [03:01] even with luke's newer alsa-lib packages? [03:01] Yes. Now trying with alsa-driver 1.1.18rc3 [03:02] how bad is the problem? [03:02] Seriously, though. Doing a ./configure seems to work just fine, but when I run make, nothing gets built. [03:02] MightyTweek: Better, but not quite there yet :). For me to help I'd need to know what you've tried, and where it's failing :) [03:02] That seems pretty strange. [03:02] MightyTweek, you do have build-essential and that crap installed? [03:03] bsnider: Annoying; several tiny hickups/pops in the music over the course of a song. [03:03] * RAOF restarts to load the new alsa drivers. [03:03] why isnt cheese available in ubuntu when it was included as part of gnome core since 2.22 [03:03] ? [03:04] RAOF: Yes, I have build-essential and all of the other prerequs installed as far as I can tell. [03:04] i asked you that actually [03:08] tretle: It _is_ available in Ubuntu. [03:09] tretle: I'm fairly sure it's installed by default. [03:09] tretle: Sorry, I'm lying. It's not installed by default, but it is in Ubuntu (at least intrepid). Cheese 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 (universe) [03:10] shouldnt it be installed by default seeing as its part of gnome now [03:12] RAOF: I've pastebinned the output of make -d here if that helps: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45590. Warning: it's 107,444 lines long :) [03:12] Ubuntu-desktop isn't the same as the default gnome desktop. [03:12] is this the appropriate channel to get some help with clamTK? [03:13] MightyTweek: Dunno. Can I have the output without -d? :) [03:17] RAOF: Without the -d, make produces no output. make clean does the expected deletion of files. Occasionally when I've done an svn up and tried a make after that some stuff has gotten built, but never the mplayer executable [03:18] MightyTweek: What, _no_ output at all? [03:19] RAOF: correct. [03:19] are you able to build anything else? [03:19] MightyTweek: Isn't it great that the mplayer devs are so cool as to build their own buildsystem? :( [03:20] i guess you're being sarcastic there [03:20] Well spotted. [03:20] RAOF: they're a different bunch, it's true [03:22] need some help with clamtk. I have scanned my computer and the results show 3 viruses found but when I click on Quarantine it says no items quarantined.Click on maintenance and I see cache,cache.VIRUS,gdm and gdm.VIRUS . I am not sure what to do now but this has me worried. running ubuntu 8.10 alpha5. any advice? [03:22] yes I asked in #clamav also. no response [03:23] IdleOne: They're almost certainly false-positives. What are you worried about? [03:23] RAOF: 3 viruses found on my Ubuntu system? I want to know what they are and why they are there [03:23] Or, indeed, if they are virusesss. [03:24] RAOF: do you have any file named gdm.VIRUS on your system?? [03:24] RAOF: yes that too [03:24] MightyTweek, try building the aurora gtk theme [03:24] RAOF: Okay, if I do a ./configure --enable-gui and then make, then I get a bunch of output of stuff being built. (I did a ./configure without the --enable-gui before.) It looks like it's just .d files that are being built though, and if I do a make clean and then a make again, nothing happens again, presumably because make clean isn't cleaning up the .d files [03:24] MightyTweek: I'd suggest bugging upstream. It sounds like their spiffy build system's broken. [03:25] they probably are... it doesnt mean that they will affect your system but they might travel around your wireless setup to windows pcs [03:26] tretle: so then I should not worry? you say that like it's ok that my Ubuntu system could possibly infect the 3 other windows system I have on my home network [03:26] IdleOne: how would Ubuntu infect them? [03:26] RAOF: I've been watching the mailing list and haven't heard of anyone else having problems, but I might post a question there [03:27] well its not as bad as the virus infecting the host and the other pcs around the network [03:27] bsnider: how do I do that, and what will it do? [03:27] look on the bright side after all [03:27] mneptok: tretle reply. implied that they could travel over wifi? [03:27] MIghtif it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem [03:27] IdleOne: hardly likely. [03:27] samba shares would be a way that they could travel [03:28] MightyTweek, if it works, it would virtually eliminate your own system as a possible cause of the problem [03:28] mneptok: ok let's assume they are false positives. how do I make certain that is what they are? [03:28] bsnider: ah, I see. Good idea. Do you have the command to check out the source handy? [03:28] IdleOne: look for gdm.VIRUS in a virus DB? SANS? [03:28] http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/56438-Aurora-1.4.tar.bz2 [03:28] there's the course [03:28] source [03:28] bsnider: thanks [03:29] just run the configure script make and make install [03:29] if it works, blame mplayer [03:29] works for me [03:30] MightyTweek, you'll need the libgtk2.0-dev package too [03:30] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778659&highlight=gdm.virus mneptok according to this post it is a virus but not a gdm virus [03:32] IdleOne: did you actually click the associated link or read the rest of the thread? [03:32] the Secunia link goes nowhere, and the OP says it's 100% a false positive. [03:32] the secunia link returns 0 results for gdm.virus [03:33] mneptok: ok then I will mark it as a false positive. now I also have a cache.VIRUS, cache,gdm that are shown [03:33] deduce, Watson ... [03:33] :) [03:34] you can avoid this problem by not running virus scanners [03:34] whoa. [03:34] weird. i was *just* going to say something equivalent. [03:34] bsnider: lol ok then [03:34] the recent windows refugees are so paranoid [03:35] bsnider: That seemed to build fine. Guess it's something weird with mplayer's configure script [03:35] I am not a recent windows refugee I have been running Ubuntu for 3 years and on a whim I decided to run a scan [03:35] IdleOne: what has ClamAV done for you except waste a temendous amount of your life? [03:35] +r [03:36] MightyTweek, or a problem with their svn files. maybe some are missing or something like that [03:36] mneptok: k I get what you guys are saying. uninstall clamav and be safe in the knowledge that my system is safe [03:36] it is indeed. very much so [03:36] IdleOne: uninstall ClamAV, and be judicious about how you open attachments and other such things. you'll be safer than with ClamAV, *and* have one free weekend per year in saved time. [03:36] assuming you dont' have bad ssl certs ;) [03:37] mneptok: i am always careful about attachemnts and I don't install anything that is not in repos unless I know for certain it comes from a good source [03:38] IdleOne: those habits are 1000000000000000000% more effective than is ClamAV [03:38] not that we're trashing clamav or antyhing [03:39] i mean it's not like it identifies false positives [03:39] i wonder if when cars debuted, new owners asked, "How do I get this thing inoculated against hoof and mouth disease? I always had to do that with my horses." [03:39] lol [03:39] * IdleOne has all his shots and a few I wish I didn't [03:39] i'm not sure microsloth would agree with that analogy [03:39] linux is to windows what cars were to hroses? [03:40] that seems pretty accurate to me [03:40] bsnider: more like "Linux is to automobile emissions what Windows is to horse emissions." [03:40] hahahaha [03:40] if it was, more people would be using it [03:59] bsnider and RAOF: I managed to get mplayer to build by deleting the entire folder and re-downloading. I should have tried that in the first place, of course, but I suspect their make clean isn't really doing a thorough job [03:59] MightyTweek: Heh. [04:01] not to be picky, but what's wrong with the medibuntu mplayer? [04:02] RAOF, did hte new alsa fix your sound issues? [04:02] bsnider: No. [04:02] what sound chip is it? [04:03] One of the infinititude supported by hda_intel; the codec is realtek 660, IIRC. [04:03] bsnider: I'm needing E-AC3 support, which has only just appeared in the svn version. how often is the medibuntu mlayer built? [04:04] it's a few months old [04:04] e-ac3? that is that? [04:05] bsnider: it's the audio codec used on HD-DVD discs [04:05] dding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntudding kde to ubuntu [04:05] dolby truehd? [04:06] one of you hacked me and typed that [04:07] but considering there are more folks in #kubuntu , i should ask there [04:07] lol yeah we are in the habit of hacking Ubuntu users and then helping them fix the issue. Like we don't have enough issues to work on [04:08] i can assure you i don't care enough to hack you or anyone else [04:08] i would not even know where to begin even if i wanted to hack you and delete your pr0n collection [04:08] bsnider: apparently it's also known as Dolby Digital Plus [04:09] have they come up with a codec for dts-ma? [04:09] :-P [04:10] I don't even know what that is. I just want to watch my HD-DVDs on my Linux HTPC :) [04:12] well, dolby truehd is hte update to dolby digital. dts-ma - "master audio" is the update to dts [04:12] and since there are no more hd dvds in production, dts-ma is hte future [04:13] i thought hd dvd==blueray [04:14] they're 2 different things [04:14] the last hd dvd that was produced was "atonement" some time ago [04:14] the format is dead [04:14] 1080p still rules [04:14] both formats have that [04:15] but that has half the resolution of 35mm film [04:15] so i'm looking for ward to 4k tv resolutions [04:16] bsnider: You project your TV onto a screen with an area of tens of square metres? :P [04:16] yeah, I figured I'd get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray drive when I built my new Linux HTPC, and picked up a few HD-DVDs for cheap, since they were clearing them out... I assumed the encryption had been cracked and I could just load 'em up and go... it's been a bit more complicated :P [04:16] thats impossible witht he current hardware [04:16] I'm gonna stick with DVD for awhile I think :) [04:16] 4k x 2k as opposed to 2k by 1k [04:18] bsnider just invented a 18:16 format [04:18] shouldn't that be 9:8 ? [04:19] you invented it? [04:19] patent it [04:19] hold on.. i gotta tell kernel not to boot up with acpi [04:19] literal: i'm pretty sure it should be ~5pi by ~4pi [04:20] kernels don't respond to verbal commands [04:20] whent hey do, we're all in trouble [04:20] we need irrational, fractional pixels [04:20] i guess those two disagree [04:20] irrational, transcendental pixels [04:21] complex pixels [04:21] i'd like a screen with 100pi by 100e pixels [04:21] that would be cool .. then you can assign fallback pixels [04:21] how about toxic, explosive pixels? [04:21] how about a kernel module for my wireless chipset that doesn't show a regression first identified in gutsy? [04:21] i kid, i kid [04:22] i like connecting at 1Mbps to my LAN from 10 feet from the router [04:22] it's fun [04:22] which module is that [04:23] rt2x00 [04:23] for an rt2500 chipset [04:23] realtek sucks on linux [04:23] no ways [04:24] it was gold on feisty and older [04:24] the new free modules only suck a little [04:24] 2.6.27-2 only boots with acpi=off .. beam up to ...28-1 scotty.. hmm.. alsa got alittle confused about that [04:24] i used that chipset with backtrack2 [04:25] gx009, try the new kernel [04:25] which new one? [04:25] 2.6.27-3 [04:25] gx009: Is this a laptop? Mine only boots on AC unless I pass acpi=off. [04:25] it's in there [04:25] check synaptic [04:25] yep.. laptop [04:25] * RAOF hasn't checked this with 2.6.27-3 yet. [04:28] i'll try an update from 26-2 [04:31] rt2x00 is not realtek. [04:31] It's ralink. [04:33] OH GOD, MY EYES! http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/ [04:34] well, it's fuschia [04:35] " a bright red 10-inch netbook" that looks way pink to me [04:36] DanaG: Any idea what distro it's based on? [04:36] Well, the current Mini-Note uses some variant of SuSE (I didn't bother remembering which one). [04:36] yast2 == gag. [04:36] certainly gives a new meaning to "eye candy" [04:36] well, as package manager, at least. [04:37] DanaG: indeedums [04:38] regarding ralink, that is [04:38] ralink was ace on feisty and older [04:40] I set up a family friend's computer with a bcm4306 card, and kept the ralink for a spare for an old computer around here, because ralink is open-source..... [04:41] but in the end, I traded the two. [04:41] the ralink driver is bunk in ubuntu through [04:41] s/through/though [04:41] Open-source means 'jack' if it doesn't work for $INSERT_WORD_HERE. [04:41] s/means/doesn't mean/ [04:41] it auto-sets itself to 1Mbps [04:41] Lovely feature! [04:42] it's way wacky that i can manually set it to 54M but it auto-sets to slow slow [04:43] The b43 card also sometimes works better than my iwl3945 card. [04:43] has someone here ever managed to remove accidentally half of gnome with synaptic? [04:43] Nope, because I check what it's going to be doing before I let it do anything. =þ [04:44] accident implies no one is at fault [04:44] DanaG, I am also checking but I didn't this time hhhh [04:44] DanaG: i bought a wireless g usb key just because of that bunk module [04:44] the ralink usb module works fine with all speeds [04:45] i unplugged the pci card until i read up that i could manually set the speed [04:45] * gx009 : gnome beats kde [04:45] milos_: yeah, I've done that [04:45] * DanaG wonders which works better: b43 or ipw2200. [04:45] I've got one of the latter in an old laptop around here. [04:46] milos_: not with synaptic though, it was with apt-get IIRC [04:46] lol @ "old laptop" [04:46] Well, it is: toshiba 1415-s105 [04:46] i used that wireless usb adapter to install hardy on a 200Mhz pentium 2 laptop [04:46] it was ace [04:46] man i was soo furious, I wanted to submit like 19 angry bug reports [04:46] The wifi card is yoinked from a a friend's dead newer laptop. [04:46] one usb port, 3.6GB hard drive [04:47] * DanaG wonders: what could you use a P2 laptop for nowadays? [04:47] We've got one that's sort of abandoned in place (shoved in the back of a closet). [04:47] milos_: that's what "ubuntu-desktop" is for [04:47] victory!! 2.6.27-3 works with no acpi=off [04:48] reinstall the meta-package milos_ [04:48] DanaG: it's my grandmother's laptop [04:48] she plays solitaire and freecell [04:49] those are windows games.. [04:49] absolutely not [04:49] those a re card games [04:49] play gnometrix!! [04:49] s/a re/are/ [04:50] she is 70 years old [04:50] transitioning to gnome games with the same game was ok in my book [04:50] i have installed some packages with dbg symbols(firefox and xulruner) from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com and it removed some very important form gnome [04:50] no windows 98 games for her :) [04:51] good.. she's still in time to witness the glory of teh linuz [04:51] my poor grandfather [04:51] All my family friends are too stubborn to want to switch to anything. [04:51] he's getting the alzheimers [04:51] somehow i figured out in aptitude what was the problem [04:51] it's too late to try to teach him how not to click every popup that says "click me" [04:52] he's on his 5th windows xp computer [04:52] he bogs them down and abandons them [04:52] Adblock Plus? [04:52] Free hardware? [04:52] ToHellWithGA, I have fix it, what a relief [04:52] i refuse to do his tech support because he has a cluster of poorly-organized files he moves from one machine to the next with the help of some local computer shop [04:53] i have a amd k7 with Xubuntu in it.. [04:53] c:\work\property\jaksdf.wpd and c:\documents\personal\lksjdlfjsdlfkj.wpd [04:53] Hmm, just sit back and enjoy the free hardware when he discards the old stuff? [04:54] not at all [04:54] i run all intel motherbaord/chipset stuff to avoid hassle [04:55] i suppose i could salvage some RAM from it [04:55] am making that k7 into a debian 4.0 for entertainment purposes.. it still got about 700mb ram [04:55] Another thing you could do: put in a dd-wrt router, run dnsmasq, and have it block the same sites that the Spybot hosts file blocks? [04:55] s/\?/./ [04:56] the guy has been asking me for two years to help him get broadband internet [04:56] i've explained it to him a few times, patiently [04:56] he now has broadband in his florida home but not in his winter home [04:56] it perplexes him that he can't take it with him [04:57] Time for a laptop with the mobile broadband? [04:57] because he has the same long distance phone service, he thinks all of it should be a choice [04:57] i.e. through phone provider? [04:57] yeah that wouldn't be bad [04:57] s/phone/cellphone/ [04:57] since he is on dialup he would not find that slow [04:57] he's stuck on wordperfect [04:58] he refuses to learn to use MS word [04:58] Bonus points for built-in instead of dongle. [04:58] as much as i hate word, it's more current and more widely-used [04:58] i will not be teaching him LaTeX :) [04:58] bedtime for bonzo [04:59] good talk y'all [04:59] Heh, random thing: I set up a 6to4 tunnel thingy on my dd-wrt router, but then disabled it when I considered that it'd be essentially unfirewalled. [04:59] What hardware does he get, that you won't use? [04:59] You could also tell him to donate to various places, for a tax deduction or something. [05:22] * burner wonders what audio fixes are planned for intrepid... i still can't be playing rhythmbox and then watch a flash video at the same time [05:27] I can. [05:27] =þ [06:08] I'm trying to compile an application and I'm getting "sh: o: not found" [06:08] some Googling leads me to believe that I'm missing something related to gcc and g++ [06:08] I'm not very familiar with ubuntu's packages yet though, so I don't know what I'm missing [06:09] try make SHELL=/bin/bash whatever [06:09] the default shell in Ubuntu is 'dash' [06:09] .... which is not able to handle 'bashisms' [06:09] it's scons, not make :) [06:09] aah, then try to export it first, instead. [06:13] * Jordan_U wonders why people ask for /bin/sh when they really want bash [06:13] "export SHELL=/bin/bash" doesn't help [06:14] and the supplied SConstruct script doesn't say anything about which shell to use, so I guess scons itself is to blame [06:15] even changing the /bin/sh symlink doesn't help [06:19] aah. [06:19] Perhaps you can execute whatever interpreter it is, with some "print everything it executes" parameter. [06:20] that would be python [06:21] too bad I'm a Perl guy... [06:21] Hey I'm downloading Ubuntu 8.10 and I'm pretty excited - does anyone know if Pulse audio is better in this release alpha 5? well compared to hardy [06:22] but anyway, man python.... it may have a way to make it print. [06:25] http://product.cowon.com/product/IFA/product_page_2.php --- yay for support for open-source formats! [06:27] * DanaG is not a fan of Apple. [06:29] http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/scons/scons_1.0.1-0.1_all.deb [06:29] does this link work for anyone here? [06:29] * DanaG wants a USB thumb drive: http://www.usbgeek.com/prod_detail.php?prod_id=0905 === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas [06:56] what's the setting that makes nautilus make all of your folders in /home appear on your desktop ? [06:57] /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir in gconf [07:01] * DanaG did that, AND symlinked Desktop to home [07:01] so apps that don't respect it still work as expected. [07:01] /home/dana/Desktop -> /home/dana/ [07:05] apparently all that was needed was "sudo aptitude install g++" [07:29] literal: build-essential didn't do it? [07:35] What's up with the hg-mirror.alsa-project.org? [07:35] No changes in 3 months. [07:35]