| DanaG | OH GOD, MY EYES! http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/ | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| DanaG | hah. | 00:06 |
| === Neon_ is now known as Neon_lights | ||
| Ziroday | kwwii: you awake? | 05:18 |
| dilomo | psyke83: hey man | 09:00 |
| * DanaG wishes the NewWave theme were in deb format. | 09:22 | |
| DanaG | Oh, and I'd like to see a matching unlock dialog for each wallpaper, perhaps. That'd be cool. | 09:23 |
| DanaG | hmm, grey-on-grey... a bit gloomy. | 09:27 |
| DanaG | windeco, that is. | 09:27 |
| * DanaG sticks with his bright orange. | 09:27 | |
| dilomo | DanaG: do you know how to theme the main menu | 09:42 |
| dilomo | separately then the rest of the menus? | 09:42 |
| dilomo | btw there is deb | 09:43 |
| DanaG | Nope, I don't know if it's even possible. | 09:43 |
| dilomo | in the kwwii's PPA | 09:43 |
| dilomo | about the lock dialog | 09:43 |
| dilomo | what wallpaper do you have in mind | 09:43 |
| DanaG | One for each of the wallpapers there. | 09:44 |
| DanaG | For example, the "intense" one. | 09:45 |
| DanaG | That way you could pair the GDM, the wallpaper, and the lock dialog. | 09:45 |
| dilomo | I asked you because it's not so easy to do | 09:45 |
| DanaG | Aah. | 09:45 |
| dilomo | and most people want smth modern | 09:45 |
| dilomo | for wallpaper | 09:45 |
| dilomo | si I thought nobody is using these wallpapers but | 09:46 |
| dilomo | indeed it is good for all them (gdm ld and bg) to match | 09:46 |
| DanaG | Hot Wave Intense is pretty spiffy. | 09:46 |
| DanaG | I just do think the grey titlebars are a bit gloomy. For a while, I was using a dark blue-and-grey theme, and it actually adversely affected my mood. | 09:47 |
| DanaG | Once I changed to the nice bright orange, my mood improved... literally instantly. | 09:47 |
| DanaG | Like, BAM! | 09:47 |
| dilomo | thats cool | 09:47 |
| dilomo | I haven't thout in this direction so far | 09:48 |
| DanaG | bug: set as wallpaper (from eye-of-gnome) doesn't work. :( | 09:48 |
| DanaG | That's an Ubuntu bug, not an art bug. | 09:48 |
| DanaG | My theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png | 09:48 |
| dilomo | wow I'm so not used to light themes now that when I look at it | 09:50 |
| dilomo | it's strange for me | 09:50 |
| DanaG | Heh, did I show you this? It's "oh god, too bright!" : http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/ | 09:50 |
| DanaG | =þ | 09:51 |
| DanaG | My orange there is also a bit of a funky shade, too. It's to match the bridge picture. | 09:51 |
| dilomo | :) these ppl are crazy | 09:51 |
| dilomo | that pink laptop is | 09:52 |
| DanaG | The goggles! They do nothing! | 09:52 |
| DanaG | =þ | 09:52 |
| dilomo | looking very bad IMO with that glossy screen | 09:52 |
| DanaG | Another random, interesting theme: http://astyanax0.deviantart.com/art/Muku-1-0-33133875 | 09:53 |
| dilomo | hmm interesting | 09:54 |
| DanaG | ... and the theme I currently use when in Windows: http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6568&libid=1 | 09:55 |
| DanaG | Hmm, would it be possible to just 'tint' the grey of the window top, slightly? | 09:56 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and I find slanty icons to be odd; I currently use Tangerine. | 09:56 |
| DanaG | The OpenSUSE 11 Industrial icons work surprisingly well with this. | 09:57 |
| dilomo | is that vista ? ;) | 09:58 |
| dilomo | tint ? | 09:59 |
| dilomo | explain | 10:00 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, that Molten theme (with the dragon) works in both XP and Vista. | 10:00 |
| dilomo | you can change the colors you need in the gtkrc file | 10:03 |
| dilomo | just search and replace "#696969" with your custom color and it should work | 10:03 |
| dilomo | btw you will need to do that replace in the metacity-1.xml theme file too | 10:03 |
| DanaG | Cool. I'll have to try that tomorrow -- here's the time where I am: | 10:04 |
| DanaG | Thu Sep 11 02:04:09 PDT 2008 | 10:04 |
| dilomo | where is that | 10:04 |
| DanaG | PDT is Pacific Daylight Time. | 10:04 |
| dilomo | her ist 12.04 | 10:04 |
| DanaG | Daylight Savings Time.... more like 'screw up your clock twice a year' time. | 10:05 |
| dilomo | no I mena what city | 10:05 |
| DanaG | San Luis Obispo, CA. | 10:05 |
| dilomo | nice | 10:05 |
| DanaG | CA state, that is. (with international community, you can never assume.) | 10:05 |
| dilomo | yeah I know that | 10:05 |
| dilomo | :) | 10:05 |
| dilomo | btw what is Washington DC ? | 10:06 |
| dilomo | that DC? | 10:06 |
| DanaG | Washington DC? I can never keep that one straight. Best just to use the full name. | 10:06 |
| DanaG | I mean, whose bright idea was that.... Washington, and "Washington, DC" | 10:07 |
| DanaG | ... =þ | 10:07 |
| DanaG | Anyway, /me goes off to bed. | 10:07 |
| DanaG | heh, random thing: google for 802.11h, you get this as one thing: | 10:08 |
| DanaG | 802.11 * Planck's constant = 5.3148354 × 10^-31 m2 kg / s | 10:08 |
| DanaG | That's rather random. | 10:08 |
| dilomo | ok | 10:10 |
| dilomo | bey | 10:11 |
| dilomo | bye | 10:11 |
| _MMA_ | D.C. = District of Columbia | 12:42 |
| * _MMA_ used to live there. | 12:43 | |
| dilomo | hay _MMA_ | 13:05 |
| dilomo | do you know how to make the main menu to use different color that the rest of the menus? | 13:08 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: The menu itself? What part? | 13:12 |
| dilomo | well the menu not the menubar | 13:13 |
| dilomo | the part with Games, Internet ... | 13:13 |
| _MMA_ | You can, but this will then effect Firefox. :( | 13:13 |
| dilomo | but isn't that supposed to be different | 13:13 |
| dilomo | style | 13:13 |
| _MMA_ | It will effect it in a bad way. | 13:14 |
| _MMA_ | ie: | 13:14 |
| dilomo | ok | 13:14 |
| Cimi | are you sure? | 13:14 |
| _MMA_ | About? | 13:14 |
| Cimi | you can match the parent menubar widget | 13:15 |
| Cimi | something like | 13:15 |
| Cimi | *panel*GtkMenu | 13:15 |
| dilomo | I'm trying with | 13:15 |
| dilomo | widget_class "*Panel*MenuBar*Menu" style :highest "newwave-panelmenu" | 13:15 |
| Cimi | you may try, i'm not sure though | 13:15 |
| dilomo | but it doesn't work | 13:16 |
| Cimi | install experience engine | 13:16 |
| dilomo | first I remove the pixmap from the Main menu | 13:16 |
| dilomo | with "*Panel*MenuBar*" | 13:16 |
| _MMA_ | Last I was playing with it (a week ago) changing the mainmenu effected FF badly. Something to do with the text color. | 13:16 |
| Cimi | it can be used to debug widgets | 13:16 |
| _MMA_ | Ill look later. I just got up and have things to do. | 13:16 |
| dilomo | debug? | 13:17 |
| dilomo | what do you mean | 13:17 |
| Cimi | it prints the widget hierarchy | 13:17 |
| Cimi | oh every widget you interact | 13:17 |
| dilomo | that's really smth useful | 13:17 |
| Cimi | yeah | 13:18 |
| dilomo | btw is it possible to make the combobox menus with light bg | 13:18 |
| dilomo | with proper matching? | 13:18 |
| Cimi | connect to irc.gimp.org and ask benzea | 13:18 |
| dilomo | ok | 13:19 |
| dilomo | thanks | 13:19 |
| Cimi | about the experience engine | 13:19 |
| dilomo | what about it? | 13:20 |
| dilomo | btw what channel is benzea in? | 13:22 |
| Cimi | #gnome-art | 13:23 |
| psyke83 | hey | 17:31 |
| dilomo | hay psyke83 | 17:31 |
| psyke83 | last night I began organizing my Gmail account properly (filtering the messages from the ubuntu-art ML) and I noticed that Gmail categorizes many legitimate messages as spam... do the mail servers need to be added to a whitelist somewhere, perhaps? | 17:32 |
| psyke83 | *legitimate messages from the Ubuntu ML's (I saw no false positives for any other mail, personal or otherwise) | 17:33 |
| dilomo | well I don't know | 17:34 |
| dilomo | I use Evolution | 17:34 |
| dilomo | and have now white lists | 17:34 |
| psyke83 | dilomo: re your PM on the forums, you need to set bg[NORMAL] in the "newwave-menu" section, that's all | 17:35 |
| psyke83 | the pixmap stuff seemed to interfere when I was testing it yesterday, though | 17:35 |
| dilomo | I have some great news | 17:36 |
| dilomo | about themeing | 17:36 |
| dilomo | form gnome 2.24 we will be able to theme the main menu | 17:36 |
| dilomo | separately then the rest of the menus | 17:36 |
| dilomo | it will match by widget | 17:37 |
| dilomo | and the name will be gnome-panel-main-menu | 17:37 |
| psyke83 | are you sure it's not possible already? widget_class "*Panel*GtkMenu*" | 17:37 |
| psyke83 | ok | 17:37 |
| dilomo | I talked with benzea today and he commited a patch | 17:37 |
| thorwil | kwwii: do you happen to know a commandline way of removing alpha layers from a batch of images? | 17:38 |
| dilomo | nope I tried that | 17:38 |
| dilomo | btw I've updated the repos | 17:38 |
| dilomo | https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-new-wave/anton/devel | 17:38 |
| psyke83 | well I assume it doesn't work, but you would probably need to set the priority to highest | 17:38 |
| dilomo | if anyone's interested | 17:38 |
| psyke83 | *would have needed to | 17:38 |
| dilomo | I tried all that stuff but in vain | 17:39 |
| dilomo | btw I decided that I combo menus should be light | 17:40 |
| dilomo | so that they are easy on the eyes | 17:40 |
| dilomo | and made some matching to do that but it turns out that the old Option menus | 17:40 |
| dilomo | are not reflecting the changes | 17:41 |
| rsc__ | what forums are we talking about here? :) | 17:42 |
| dilomo | gnome-art | 17:44 |
| rsc__ | where is that? | 17:45 |
| dilomo | on irc.gimp.org | 17:48 |
| * kwwii is off for the evening | 18:36 | |
| * DanaG likes the Nodoka engine still better than many others...... even with über-bright colors, it still looks soft and 'gentle' (hence the name). | 18:40 | |
| psyke83 | DanaG: ah but you're judging the whole engine by a single gtkrc theme :). I think Andrea also has Nodoka widget emulation in the Murrine engine (though it's not complete in Intrepid's SVN snapshot) | 18:42 |
| DanaG | Some time I'll post my theme somewhere, and then perhaps somebody can help me port it to that. | 18:42 |
| DanaG | I don't want to lose the rounded scrollbars, though -- I like them too much. | 18:43 |
| CimiDS | lol | 18:43 |
| CimiDS | it is an ugly hack | 18:43 |
| CimiDS | they will NEVER go inside murrine | 18:43 |
| psyke83 | DanaG: the nodoka and murrine engines will be available in Intrepid - you could make a hybrid theme, pick & choose the widgets you like from each engine | 18:43 |
| DanaG | Ugly hack? Can't say I've seen the code to know how hackish it is. | 18:44 |
| DanaG | re-link to thing I've posted before: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png | 18:45 |
| psyke83 | looking at that theme, I would change all the widgets to murrine, except the check/radiobuttons and frames | 18:46 |
| DanaG | ... and scrollbars. | 18:46 |
| DanaG | I want non-glossy, specifically. | 18:46 |
| psyke83 | for you, not me :) | 18:46 |
| DanaG | Slider things are fugly, though -- I'll admit that. | 18:47 |
| psyke83 | it's easy to do in the gtkrc, just make an empty subdefinition of the murrine engine within the style definitions that you want to change | 18:47 |
| psyke83 | or vice-versa | 18:47 |
| DanaG | Hmm, right now my gtkrc uses Nodoka, obviously; would I be able to just change the engine it specifies? | 18:48 |
| psyke83 | take a look at the Human(-Murrine) gtkrc to see all the new Murrine engine options, it's a lot more flexible than the previous release | 18:48 |
| psyke83 | one sec | 18:48 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, and the Tropic windeco hasn't been fixed like the Human one supposedly has. | 18:48 |
| DanaG | My windeco is Tropic without the red button. | 18:49 |
| psyke83 | I'm on windows atm, can you paste your gtkrc to a pastebin? Then I'll edit it to show you how you can specify different engines | 18:50 |
| DanaG | Sure. | 18:53 |
| DanaG | !pastebin | 18:53 |
| ubottu | pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) | 18:53 |
| DanaG | The color is a slight override of my own theme: http://pastebin.com/f33bf9fd9 -- the index.theme for the color-match-to-bridge one | 18:54 |
| DanaG | gtkrc: http://pastebin.com/ffaeda72 | 18:54 |
| psyke83 | DanaG: let's imagine you only want to change the scrollbar in your theme to use murrine: http://pastebin.com/m2e1db132 (just an excerpt) | 18:58 |
| psyke83 | conversely, if you want to have a theme that uses murrine for the majority of its widgets, you'd replace the engine subsection in "fedora-default" with murrine, and of course, use murrine's engine options instead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-June/006567.html | 18:59 |
| psyke83 | it's better to look at the Human gtkrc from Intrepid, but that post as a copy of the new engine options | 19:00 |
| psyke83 | *has | 19:01 |
| DanaG | Hmm, would I copy the options from the Nodoka default definition into the override section for those components? | 19:02 |
| DanaG | stepper style.... what's a "stepper"? Is that the spinbutton? | 19:04 |
| psyke83 | you mean, if you wanted a theme using murrine for the majority of widgets? Yes, you'd need to put the engine options into those sections | 19:04 |
| DanaG | YEah. I'd intend to use Murrine for everything that can match the current appearance; I'd use an override for things that won't match well with Murrine. | 19:05 |
| psyke83 | it's the "direction arrow" part of the scrollbar | 19:05 |
| DanaG | Aah. | 19:05 |
| psyke83 | I haven't tested the latest murrine snapshot, but the stepper styles didn't seem to be complete | 19:05 |
| psyke83 | *for the older snapshot | 19:06 |
| psyke83 | you will need to define engine options in each section, but it's not as bad as you would imagine. For example, the animation option is only relevent to the "*-progressbar" style, and the others are obvious | 19:07 |
| DanaG | Cool. | 19:08 |
| DanaG | Well, that gives me something useful to work on for today. | 19:08 |
| DanaG | s/for // | 19:08 |
| psyke83 | Cimi_: have you improved the Nodoka widget emulation lately? | 19:09 |
| psyke83 | I mean, do you intend to allow the engine to look identical to Nodoka when using "style = NODOKA", or is it only about the gradients? | 19:10 |
| Cimi_ | which widget actually differs? | 19:12 |
| psyke83 | the frame rounding, the steppers, the listview header divisions, the checkmarks and radiobuttons, and maybe other stuff | 19:14 |
| psyke83 | I didn't get a chance to test the latest SVN release, still stuck with the older release in Intrepid. I was just curious if you intend to make it emulate everything "as exactly as possible" | 19:15 |
| LaserJock | greetings, does anybody know how I can get my hands on the icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website? | 19:25 |
| _MMA_ | Got a link to whatcha need? | 19:25 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: To the images? | 19:25 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: well, I'm trying to work on Edubuntu's website | 19:26 |
| LaserJock | and I'd like to get icon images that are consistent with the rest of Ubuntu | 19:26 |
| _MMA_ | "icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website?" Is just kinda vague. :) | 19:27 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: sorry ;-) | 19:27 |
| _MMA_ | Since I can link to many icons/sets/what have you. :) | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to make an equivalent of http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ | 19:28 |
| LaserJock | so the globe and "Hi!" images | 19:29 |
| LaserJock | is there a set of those somewhere? | 19:29 |
| _MMA_ | I would just rip those images. Some might be from Tango. Some look custom. | 19:29 |
| LaserJock | right, I just need *additional* images so I was wondering if there was maybe a fuller set to choose from | 19:30 |
| tretle | Cimi_ http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/04/01/flat-menubars-and-toolbars-for-murrine-rgba-ugly-hack-d/ when you talk about the menubar are you talking about the menubar ion gnome-panel? | 19:31 |
| _MMA_ | "Hi!" looks custom. The globe "looks" Tango-ish but I dont think is the one used in the set. | 19:31 |
| _MMA_ | s/"looks"/*looks* | 19:31 |
| LaserJock | _MMA_: if I just install tang-icon-theme-* would that get me close? | 19:31 |
| LaserJock | *tango | 19:32 |
| _MMA_ | Yup | 19:32 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: Something also to look at: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library | 19:32 |
| LaserJock | doh, I was there last night | 19:33 |
| * LaserJock needs to learn how to scroll | 19:33 | |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | LaserJock: In any case, I don't know where the sources are. I *think* Matthew Nussem maintains the website? | 19:35 |
| _MMA_ | (my spelling could be off) | 19:35 |
| LaserJock | it is, but I know who you mean :-) | 19:35 |
| _MMA_ | k | 19:35 |
| DanaG | /usr/share/themes/Orange Mix/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:78: error: unexpected identifier `stripes', expected character `}' | 19:59 |
| DanaG | argh. | 19:59 |
| DanaG | aah, not valid for murrine. | 20:01 |
| DanaG | Hmm, buttons are about the same... but somehow look a bit glossier. | 20:04 |
| DanaG | Woah, if you set roundness really high, to like 1000, you get really funky results. | 20:13 |
| DanaG | =þ | 20:13 |
| CimiDS | DanaG, yeah, but i don't expect people to do those things | 20:17 |
| DanaG | It falls under "violating preconditions". | 20:19 |
| DanaG | Hence the '=þ' | 20:19 |
| DanaG | Give crazy input, get undefined output; that's to be expected. | 20:19 |
| CimiDS | it can be fixed easily, but it requires a lot oh new lines | 20:21 |
| DanaG | Don't bother; I think it's amusing. | 20:24 |
| DanaG | My comment was more of an "oh hey, that's funny" thing, rather than a "oh hey, this is broken" thing. | 20:24 |
| CimiDS | clearlooks has that fix, using radius = 1000.0 shpulg give better results | 20:27 |
| CimiDS | should | 20:27 |
| DanaG | You could also just put a warning: "WARNING: Using roundness over <threshold> may give very odd results." | 20:55 |
| DanaG | ... though that could be annoying if somebody does it deliberately. | 20:55 |
| DanaG | " You can't implement those scrollbars without hacks, and I really don't want hacks in my code" -- hmm, what kind of hacks? | 21:06 |
| * DanaG wishes Stardock would make stuff for Linux... but then it'd have to be open-sourced. | 21:13 | |
| CimiDS | DanaG, i'm quite sure that thecode for the concave steppers is in the scrollbar_slider | 21:20 |
| DanaG | That _is_ funky, you're right. | 21:21 |
| CimiDS | maybe tne drawing is splitted | 21:21 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, the focus thing is another one: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/mockups/gallery -- the "say no to ugly dotted" | 21:22 |
| CimiDS | they draw the steppers | 21:22 |
| CimiDS | then the rounded part is drawnin the slider | 21:22 |
| CimiDS | i agree with the focus | 21:23 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, behavior when clicking the rounded part of the scrollbar is also hard to define. | 21:24 |
| DanaG | Hmm, I guess I could live with square scrollbars, as long as the styling is right -- but for now, having the _outer_ part of the stepper be rounded, looks odd. | 21:25 |
| DanaG | Currently, when using Nodoka in OpenOffice, it somehow gets square scrollbars, and still looks fine to me. | 21:25 |
| DanaG | But the focus thing gets me, for now. | 21:26 |
| * DanaG wonders what sort of theme will stylistically fit with this brushed-metal laptop: http://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-debuts-elitebook-adds-10-notebooks-to-business-lineup http://www.slashgear.com/hp-elitebook-6930p-boasts-up-to-24hr-battery-life-0815536.php#more-15536 | 21:28 | |
| DanaG | Tabs are also a bit different between the two engines. | 21:29 |
| DanaG | http://www.geocities.com/samuelgoh21/DDWRT_BASIC_repeater.jpg | 21:39 |
| DanaG | Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from. | 21:39 |
| DanaG | http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png | 21:39 |
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