[00:06] OH GOD, MY EYES! http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/ [00:06] hah. === Neon_ is now known as Neon_lights [05:18] kwwii: you awake? [09:00] psyke83: hey man [09:22] * DanaG wishes the NewWave theme were in deb format. [09:23] Oh, and I'd like to see a matching unlock dialog for each wallpaper, perhaps. That'd be cool. [09:27] hmm, grey-on-grey... a bit gloomy. [09:27] windeco, that is. [09:27] * DanaG sticks with his bright orange. [09:42] DanaG: do you know how to theme the main menu [09:42] separately then the rest of the menus? [09:43] btw there is deb [09:43] Nope, I don't know if it's even possible. [09:43] in the kwwii's PPA [09:43] about the lock dialog [09:43] what wallpaper do you have in mind [09:44] One for each of the wallpapers there. [09:45] For example, the "intense" one. [09:45] That way you could pair the GDM, the wallpaper, and the lock dialog. [09:45] I asked you because it's not so easy to do [09:45] Aah. [09:45] and most people want smth modern [09:45] for wallpaper [09:46] si I thought nobody is using these wallpapers but [09:46] indeed it is good for all them (gdm ld and bg) to match [09:46] Hot Wave Intense is pretty spiffy. [09:47] I just do think the grey titlebars are a bit gloomy. For a while, I was using a dark blue-and-grey theme, and it actually adversely affected my mood. [09:47] Once I changed to the nice bright orange, my mood improved... literally instantly. [09:47] Like, BAM! [09:47] thats cool [09:48] I haven't thout in this direction so far [09:48] bug: set as wallpaper (from eye-of-gnome) doesn't work. :( [09:48] That's an Ubuntu bug, not an art bug. [09:48] My theme: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png [09:50] wow I'm so not used to light themes now that when I look at it [09:50] it's strange for me [09:50] Heh, did I show you this? It's "oh god, too bright!" : http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/10/hp-shows-off-vivienne-tam-designed-digital-clutch-the-10-inch/ [09:51] =þ [09:51] My orange there is also a bit of a funky shade, too. It's to match the bridge picture. [09:51] :) these ppl are crazy [09:52] that pink laptop is [09:52] The goggles! They do nothing! [09:52] =þ [09:52] looking very bad IMO with that glossy screen [09:53] Another random, interesting theme: http://astyanax0.deviantart.com/art/Muku-1-0-33133875 [09:54] hmm interesting [09:55] ... and the theme I currently use when in Windows: http://www.wincustomize.com/zoom.aspx?skinid=6568&libid=1 [09:56] Hmm, would it be possible to just 'tint' the grey of the window top, slightly? [09:56] Oh yeah, and I find slanty icons to be odd; I currently use Tangerine. [09:57] The OpenSUSE 11 Industrial icons work surprisingly well with this. [09:58] is that vista ? ;) [09:59] tint ? [10:00] explain [10:00] Oh yeah, that Molten theme (with the dragon) works in both XP and Vista. [10:03] you can change the colors you need in the gtkrc file [10:03] just search and replace "#696969" with your custom color and it should work [10:03] btw you will need to do that replace in the metacity-1.xml theme file too [10:04] Cool. I'll have to try that tomorrow -- here's the time where I am: [10:04] Thu Sep 11 02:04:09 PDT 2008 [10:04] where is that [10:04] PDT is Pacific Daylight Time. [10:04] her ist 12.04 [10:05] Daylight Savings Time.... more like 'screw up your clock twice a year' time. [10:05] no I mena what city [10:05] San Luis Obispo, CA. [10:05] nice [10:05] CA state, that is. (with international community, you can never assume.) [10:05] yeah I know that [10:05] :) [10:06] btw what is Washington DC ? [10:06] that DC? [10:06] Washington DC? I can never keep that one straight. Best just to use the full name. [10:07] I mean, whose bright idea was that.... Washington, and "Washington, DC" [10:07] ... =þ [10:07] Anyway, /me goes off to bed. [10:08] heh, random thing: google for 802.11h, you get this as one thing: [10:08] 802.11 * Planck's constant = 5.3148354 × 10^-31 m2 kg / s [10:08] That's rather random. [10:10] ok [10:11] bey [10:11] bye [12:42] <_MMA_> D.C. = District of Columbia [12:43] * _MMA_ used to live there. [13:05] hay _MMA_ [13:08] do you know how to make the main menu to use different color that the rest of the menus? [13:12] <_MMA_> dilomo: The menu itself? What part? [13:13] well the menu not the menubar [13:13] the part with Games, Internet ... [13:13] <_MMA_> You can, but this will then effect Firefox. :( [13:13] but isn't that supposed to be different [13:13] style [13:14] <_MMA_> It will effect it in a bad way. [13:14] <_MMA_> ie: [13:14] ok [13:14] are you sure? [13:14] <_MMA_> About? [13:15] you can match the parent menubar widget [13:15] something like [13:15] *panel*GtkMenu [13:15] I'm trying with [13:15] widget_class "*Panel*MenuBar*Menu" style :highest "newwave-panelmenu" [13:15] you may try, i'm not sure though [13:16] but it doesn't work [13:16] install experience engine [13:16] first I remove the pixmap from the Main menu [13:16] with "*Panel*MenuBar*" [13:16] <_MMA_> Last I was playing with it (a week ago) changing the mainmenu effected FF badly. Something to do with the text color. [13:16] it can be used to debug widgets [13:16] <_MMA_> Ill look later. I just got up and have things to do. [13:17] debug? [13:17] what do you mean [13:17] it prints the widget hierarchy [13:17] oh every widget you interact [13:17] that's really smth useful [13:18] yeah [13:18] btw is it possible to make the combobox menus with light bg [13:18] with proper matching? [13:18] connect to irc.gimp.org and ask benzea [13:19] ok [13:19] thanks [13:19] about the experience engine [13:20] what about it? [13:22] btw what channel is benzea in? [13:23] #gnome-art [17:31] hey [17:31] hay psyke83 [17:32] last night I began organizing my Gmail account properly (filtering the messages from the ubuntu-art ML) and I noticed that Gmail categorizes many legitimate messages as spam... do the mail servers need to be added to a whitelist somewhere, perhaps? [17:33] *legitimate messages from the Ubuntu ML's (I saw no false positives for any other mail, personal or otherwise) [17:34] well I don't know [17:34] I use Evolution [17:34] and have now white lists [17:35] dilomo: re your PM on the forums, you need to set bg[NORMAL] in the "newwave-menu" section, that's all [17:35] the pixmap stuff seemed to interfere when I was testing it yesterday, though [17:36] I have some great news [17:36] about themeing [17:36] form gnome 2.24 we will be able to theme the main menu [17:36] separately then the rest of the menus [17:37] it will match by widget [17:37] and the name will be gnome-panel-main-menu [17:37] are you sure it's not possible already? widget_class "*Panel*GtkMenu*" [17:37] ok [17:37] I talked with benzea today and he commited a patch [17:38] kwwii: do you happen to know a commandline way of removing alpha layers from a batch of images? [17:38] nope I tried that [17:38] btw I've updated the repos [17:38] https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-new-wave/anton/devel [17:38] well I assume it doesn't work, but you would probably need to set the priority to highest [17:38] if anyone's interested [17:38] *would have needed to [17:39] I tried all that stuff but in vain [17:40] btw I decided that I combo menus should be light [17:40] so that they are easy on the eyes [17:40] and made some matching to do that but it turns out that the old Option menus [17:41] are not reflecting the changes [17:42] what forums are we talking about here? :) [17:44] gnome-art [17:45] where is that? [17:48] on irc.gimp.org [18:36] * kwwii is off for the evening [18:40] * DanaG likes the Nodoka engine still better than many others...... even with über-bright colors, it still looks soft and 'gentle' (hence the name). [18:42] DanaG: ah but you're judging the whole engine by a single gtkrc theme :). I think Andrea also has Nodoka widget emulation in the Murrine engine (though it's not complete in Intrepid's SVN snapshot) [18:42] Some time I'll post my theme somewhere, and then perhaps somebody can help me port it to that. [18:43] I don't want to lose the rounded scrollbars, though -- I like them too much. [18:43] lol [18:43] it is an ugly hack [18:43] they will NEVER go inside murrine [18:43] DanaG: the nodoka and murrine engines will be available in Intrepid - you could make a hybrid theme, pick & choose the widgets you like from each engine [18:44] Ugly hack? Can't say I've seen the code to know how hackish it is. [18:45] re-link to thing I've posted before: http://picpaste.com/screenshot-orange-nodoka-2.png [18:46] looking at that theme, I would change all the widgets to murrine, except the check/radiobuttons and frames [18:46] ... and scrollbars. [18:46] I want non-glossy, specifically. [18:46] for you, not me :) [18:47] Slider things are fugly, though -- I'll admit that. [18:47] it's easy to do in the gtkrc, just make an empty subdefinition of the murrine engine within the style definitions that you want to change [18:47] or vice-versa [18:48] Hmm, right now my gtkrc uses Nodoka, obviously; would I be able to just change the engine it specifies? [18:48] take a look at the Human(-Murrine) gtkrc to see all the new Murrine engine options, it's a lot more flexible than the previous release [18:48] one sec [18:48] Oh yeah, and the Tropic windeco hasn't been fixed like the Human one supposedly has. [18:49] My windeco is Tropic without the red button. [18:50] I'm on windows atm, can you paste your gtkrc to a pastebin? Then I'll edit it to show you how you can specify different engines [18:53] Sure. [18:53] !pastebin [18:53] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [18:54] The color is a slight override of my own theme: http://pastebin.com/f33bf9fd9 -- the index.theme for the color-match-to-bridge one [18:54] gtkrc: http://pastebin.com/ffaeda72 [18:58] DanaG: let's imagine you only want to change the scrollbar in your theme to use murrine: http://pastebin.com/m2e1db132 (just an excerpt) [18:59] conversely, if you want to have a theme that uses murrine for the majority of its widgets, you'd replace the engine subsection in "fedora-default" with murrine, and of course, use murrine's engine options instead: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-June/006567.html [19:00] it's better to look at the Human gtkrc from Intrepid, but that post as a copy of the new engine options [19:01] *has [19:02] Hmm, would I copy the options from the Nodoka default definition into the override section for those components? [19:04] stepper style.... what's a "stepper"? Is that the spinbutton? [19:04] you mean, if you wanted a theme using murrine for the majority of widgets? Yes, you'd need to put the engine options into those sections [19:05] YEah. I'd intend to use Murrine for everything that can match the current appearance; I'd use an override for things that won't match well with Murrine. [19:05] it's the "direction arrow" part of the scrollbar [19:05] Aah. [19:05] I haven't tested the latest murrine snapshot, but the stepper styles didn't seem to be complete [19:06] *for the older snapshot [19:07] you will need to define engine options in each section, but it's not as bad as you would imagine. For example, the animation option is only relevent to the "*-progressbar" style, and the others are obvious [19:08] Cool. [19:08] Well, that gives me something useful to work on for today. [19:08] s/for // [19:09] Cimi_: have you improved the Nodoka widget emulation lately? [19:10] I mean, do you intend to allow the engine to look identical to Nodoka when using "style = NODOKA", or is it only about the gradients? [19:12] which widget actually differs? [19:14] the frame rounding, the steppers, the listview header divisions, the checkmarks and radiobuttons, and maybe other stuff [19:15] I didn't get a chance to test the latest SVN release, still stuck with the older release in Intrepid. I was just curious if you intend to make it emulate everything "as exactly as possible" [19:25] greetings, does anybody know how I can get my hands on the icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website? [19:25] <_MMA_> Got a link to whatcha need? [19:25] <_MMA_> LaserJock: To the images? [19:26] _MMA_: well, I'm trying to work on Edubuntu's website [19:26] and I'd like to get icon images that are consistent with the rest of Ubuntu [19:27] <_MMA_> "icons that are on the Ubuntu wiki and website?" Is just kinda vague. :) [19:27] _MMA_: sorry ;-) [19:28] <_MMA_> Since I can link to many icons/sets/what have you. :) [19:28] I'm trying to make an equivalent of http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ [19:29] so the globe and "Hi!" images [19:29] is there a set of those somewhere? [19:29] <_MMA_> I would just rip those images. Some might be from Tango. Some look custom. [19:30] right, I just need *additional* images so I was wondering if there was maybe a fuller set to choose from [19:31] Cimi_ http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2008/04/01/flat-menubars-and-toolbars-for-murrine-rgba-ugly-hack-d/ when you talk about the menubar are you talking about the menubar ion gnome-panel? [19:31] <_MMA_> "Hi!" looks custom. The globe "looks" Tango-ish but I dont think is the one used in the set. [19:31] <_MMA_> s/"looks"/*looks* [19:31] _MMA_: if I just install tang-icon-theme-* would that get me close? [19:32] *tango [19:32] <_MMA_> Yup [19:32] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Something also to look at: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library [19:33] doh, I was there last night [19:33] * LaserJock needs to learn how to scroll [19:34] <_MMA_> :P [19:35] <_MMA_> LaserJock: In any case, I don't know where the sources are. I *think* Matthew Nussem maintains the website? [19:35] <_MMA_> (my spelling could be off) [19:35] it is, but I know who you mean :-) [19:35] <_MMA_> k [19:59] /usr/share/themes/Orange Mix/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:78: error: unexpected identifier `stripes', expected character `}' [19:59] argh. [20:01] aah, not valid for murrine. [20:04] Hmm, buttons are about the same... but somehow look a bit glossier. [20:13] Woah, if you set roundness really high, to like 1000, you get really funky results. [20:13] =þ [20:17] DanaG, yeah, but i don't expect people to do those things [20:19] It falls under "violating preconditions". [20:19] Hence the '=þ' [20:19] Give crazy input, get undefined output; that's to be expected. [20:21] it can be fixed easily, but it requires a lot oh new lines [20:24] Don't bother; I think it's amusing. [20:24] My comment was more of an "oh hey, that's funny" thing, rather than a "oh hey, this is broken" thing. [20:27] clearlooks has that fix, using radius = 1000.0 shpulg give better results [20:27] should [20:55] You could also just put a warning: "WARNING: Using roundness over may give very odd results." [20:55] ... though that could be annoying if somebody does it deliberately. [21:06] " You can't implement those scrollbars without hacks, and I really don't want hacks in my code" -- hmm, what kind of hacks? [21:13] * DanaG wishes Stardock would make stuff for Linux... but then it'd have to be open-sourced. [21:20] DanaG, i'm quite sure that thecode for the concave steppers is in the scrollbar_slider [21:21] That _is_ funky, you're right. [21:21] maybe tne drawing is splitted [21:22] Oh yeah, the focus thing is another one: http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/mockups/gallery -- the "say no to ugly dotted" [21:22] they draw the steppers [21:22] then the rounded part is drawnin the slider [21:23] i agree with the focus [21:24] Oh yeah, behavior when clicking the rounded part of the scrollbar is also hard to define. [21:25] Hmm, I guess I could live with square scrollbars, as long as the styling is right -- but for now, having the _outer_ part of the stepper be rounded, looks odd. [21:25] Currently, when using Nodoka in OpenOffice, it somehow gets square scrollbars, and still looks fine to me. [21:26] But the focus thing gets me, for now. [21:28] * DanaG wonders what sort of theme will stylistically fit with this brushed-metal laptop: http://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-debuts-elitebook-adds-10-notebooks-to-business-lineup http://www.slashgear.com/hp-elitebook-6930p-boasts-up-to-24hr-battery-life-0815536.php#more-15536 [21:29] Tabs are also a bit different between the two engines. [21:39] http://www.geocities.com/samuelgoh21/DDWRT_BASIC_repeater.jpg [21:39] Oh hey, the dd-wrt firmware has a theme that that New Wave could take some ideas from. [21:39] http://codefromthe70s.org/images/dummynet_ddwrt.png