[00:10] Dear pulseaudio. When I ask you for debug output, I'd ideally like it on stdout, not stderr. kthxbye. [00:12] is that conventional? [00:13] I'd generally expect "pulseaudio -vvv | tee ~/pulselog" to have some output in ~/pulselog, yes. [00:13] wrong expectation then [00:14] Maybe I don't do this often enough, then. [00:15] debug output is generally considered error output isn't it? [00:16] I would be inclined to expect it on stderr, myself [00:18] Hm. My expectations are obvously wrong, then. [00:34] RAOF: don't worry, I always expect | to catch stderr :-) [00:43] NCommander: oh, you are there [00:44] NCommander: I though you didn't manage to reboot ;-) did you read my comments about the gtkmm update before? [00:47] asac: is bug #229745 still in progress? [00:47] Launchpad bug 229745 in xulrunner-1.9 "after fix for #215728 - Committing to urlclassifier3.sqlite still causes excessive CPU usage and disk I/O (the 2nd)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/229745 [00:49] NCommander: the configure.in requires new libglib, libgtk, etc versions and you didn't upgrade the build-depends [00:49] anyway time to go to bed, you can work on fixing that until tomorrow ;-) [01:15] asac: so, I'm still trying to figure out why n-m tries to DHCP for me. Everything in /etc/network/interfaces is static. [01:18] slangasek: are you planning the archive changes already? [01:18] "the archive changes"? [01:19] maving it from main/universe to seeds [01:19] as in team specific seeds [01:19] I haven't been directly involved in that transition [01:20] nxvl: Thats a long way off yet I believe. [01:20] TheMuso: yeah, me too, just making sure [01:20] but it's going to be a jaunty goal to move everything to bzr, right? [01:21] that's been stated, yes [02:50] bryce: ok, so I've added a 'USA' layout to my keyboard preferences, but I don't see anywhere in here that will let me /switch/ to it... [02:50] oh, apparently if I drag and drop so that USA ends up as the default, it'll switch for me :P [02:50] ah [02:51] Fn+F2 still gives me XF86AudioMute, tho [02:51] slangasek: You've clearly been using unintuitive interfaces for too long :) [02:51] persia: hmm? [02:51] slangasek: That you're looking for a widget to switch, rather than just dragging things about. [02:52] persia: er, why in God's name should I have to /drag/ anything to express "I want to change the current setting"? [02:52] bryce, fwiw Fn-F2 for Lock does work [02:52] the effect of dragging it appears to be to change the default [02:52] I don't want to change the default, I want to change the current setting [02:52] Fn-F4 (sleep) says "action is forbidden on this computer" [02:52] Fn-F12 (hibernate) does nothing [02:53] * persia retreats from an indefensible position intended humourously [02:53] persia: mmk :) [02:54] persia: sorry, perhaps you should try taking a position that's more obviously a parody rather than one that looks congruent to the position held by real "usability" folks :) [02:54] Isn't that parody almost by definition? [02:54] Has it gotten to that point already? [02:54] * ScottK-laptop looks around for seele... [02:54] heh [02:57] bryce: also, fwiw, I had the keymapping magically right itself before my last reboot; I don't know what I did to make that happen, but I can't reproduce the effect now [02:59] mm, manually running setxkbmap -model evdev seems to fix the mapping per xev; why was that wrong? [03:00] hmmm [03:01] this sounds familiar [03:01] slangasek: new xkb-data wants rules=evdev, instead of model=evdev, in order to unbreak stuff like jp106 and abnt2 [03:01] where 'new' is whatever version timo uploaded in the last few days [03:01] well, so be it; but why do I have to specify anything manually, given that this is a fresh X session from this morning? :) [03:01] slangasek: so with the right mapping, does sleep work? [03:02] bryce: no [03:02] what's the xev output now? [03:02] hrm, /etc/default/console-setup is written out by gnome-keyboardboard-properties, I guess? [03:02] jcristau: Really unbreak jp106, or just sorta unbreak it? [03:03] now I have XKBMODEL="pc104", that doesn't really help much [03:03] * persia has been overriding with GNOME preferences since Dapper [03:03] persia: make it possible to unbreak it [03:03] OK :) [03:03] bryce: XF86ScreenSaver [03:03] lol [03:05] ? [03:05] this is for Fn+F2, which is the lock icon, surely that's correct? [03:10] slangasek: same keycode in both cases? [03:10] I don't know, no one asked for that while it was still in my scrollback [03:11] slangasek: oh okay I assumed it was mapped to sleep [03:11] slangasek: does your sleep key work? [03:11] I don't know, I'm not interested in sleeping? :) [03:12] I believe I'm still running the kernel that the alpha-5 technical overview says will break on resume. :) [03:12] ah [03:12] hrmm [03:13] ok well I guess I've done as much as I can on this bug. It's quite different from what I see on dell [03:13] and unfortunately I don't have a thinkpad [03:14] well, I'm happy to test anything you want, or provide further debugging feedback [03:14] I can even test sleep if necessary, but there's a general problem with the extra keys not being seen where they need to be, so I'd rather debug something with less destruction potential first [03:16] slangasek: might be interesting to see the output of 'xkbcomp :0 -' in the broken case [03:16] TheMuso: pulseaudio status report: 0.9.12/alsa-lib from your PPA/alsa-driver 1.1.18rc3 _still_ exhibit underruns. [03:16] bryce, still here? [03:16] poolie: yep [03:16] RAOF: Right., [03:16] jcristau: which broken case, the broken case where it sends the wrong keysyms, or the broken case where it sends the right ones but nothing picks them up the way it's supposed to? [03:17] bryce, on my x61s after rebooting (and getting past bug 263782) [03:17] Launchpad bug 263782 in linux "intrepid hang with screen corruption during boot with 2.6.27-2-generic on x61" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263782 [03:17] RAOF: what part of alsa are you using that is 1.0.18rc3? [03:17] the sleep button says 'forbidden by policy' and the hibernate button does nothing [03:17] slangasek: wrong keysyms [03:17] TheMuso: alsa-driver. [03:17] hth [03:17] is there a bug i should subscribe to or something? [03:17] slangasek: the other one involves gnomeish stuff, which i'd rather not look at ;) [03:17] RAOF: Right. [03:17] TheMuso: As in; grab the alsa-source package, update to 1.1.18rc3, disable a patch or two, and run module-assistant :) [03:18] RAOF: Yep I know what you mean. [03:18] Good. Just in case there was some ambiguity; ALSA's crazy! [03:18] RAOF: I might take this to the pulseaudio guys then. I'm suspecting it may be alsa specific, but its better to be sure. [03:21] wow amazing, hibernate works! [03:22] jcristau: http://people.ubuntu.com/~vorlon/xkbcomp-ftw.txt [03:23] jcristau, bryce: re-selecting generic/evdev in gnome-keyboard-properties under 'layouts' is sufficient to recreate the b0rkage [03:23] RAOF: Are you RAOF if alsa-driver git fixes it, then we know where to start looking, and pick the commit we need and et it into the kernel. [03:24] and setxkbmap -rules evdev clears it [03:24] RAOF: sorry started writing something, forgot to clear it. :) [03:24] TheMuso: I am RAOF, yes. And I'll pull alsa-driver git and module-assistant it. [03:24] slangasek: yeah, that says 'key { [ XF86AudioMute ] }; [03:24] ' [03:24] RAOF: hehe [03:24] which is, err, wrong [03:25] jcristau: sure; it seems to get a total of 9 keys wrong, looking at the diff [03:26] poolie: interesting... sounds like you're seeing a completely different issue than everyone else [03:28] TheMuso: Heh. I've just browsed alsa-driver git. Turns out, 1.0.18rc3 _is_ git head. [03:29] bryce, i filed bug 268823, hth [03:29] Launchpad bug 268823 in ubuntu "x61s suspend and hibernate buttons don't work; suspend 'forbidden by policy'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268823 [03:29] i'm pretty chuffed at least hibernate is working though [03:29] poolie: ok thanks [03:29] yeah neither sleep nor hibernate work for me [03:31] slangasek: i think gnome-keyboard-properties shouldn't be allowed to set the model to evdev anymore.. not sure how that's been handled [03:32] jcristau: well, it's changing the 'rules' that clears the breakage, not the 'model', does that make sense then? [03:32] hey TheMuso, I'm working on fixing a PPC specific issue in hardy (the changes are in proposed, just waiting for an archive admin to approve it to proposed) [03:33] slangasek: aiui, the broken state is with rules=base, model=evdev, and setting the rules to evdev fixes it. is that right? [03:34] jcristau, bryce: re-selecting generic/evdev in gnome-keyboard-properties under 'layouts' is sufficient to recreate the b0rkage [03:34] and setxkbmap -rules evdev clears it [03:34] is gnome-keyboard-properties forcing rules=base? [03:39] RAOF: bummer! [03:40] TheMuso: There's possibly one interesting commit in alsa-lib after the patches you've applied to .17a, but 0.9.12 doesn't seem to check for the availability of the new API, so it's probably not going to do anything. [03:41] RAOF: What commit is interesting? [03:42] TheMuso: The one just before 1.0.18rc3; adding snd_pcm_avail and snd_pcm_avail_delay; I only notice these because I seem to recall Lennart complaining about the lack of that API. [03:43] RAOF: Oh they are not in my alsa-lib package, because that introduces new symbols, and I thought it may be better staying away from that. I can drop that commit in my package if you like. Added to that, I'd say the next version of pulse may use that. [03:44] Yeah. The next version may well, but it doesn't seem that pulseaudio git is using it yet. [03:44] RAOF: And if I was to add that, I may as well move alsa-lib to 1.0.18rc3. [03:44] Right. [03:45] Next cycle, I plan top get a better handle on the kernel side of things also. Its taken me a little while to get going with audio stuff, but I feel I'm almost on top of everything. [03:47] slangasek: hmm, setting my layout to dvorak and back to us isn't breaking for me [03:48] TheMuso: Yay! [03:48] slangasek: can't reproduce your broken keymap by playing with setxkbmap here. will try to look again tomorrow. xkb makes me sad. [03:48] and for me, input.xkb.rules = 'base' (string) [03:49] although oddly lshal | grep xkb still shows layout='us' even when it's set to dvorak [03:50] bryce: hal just has the default stuff for when the device is added to x [03:50] so, that's everything but odd [03:50] oh [03:51] jcristau: is there a cmdline tool to see what the rules are currently set to? [03:51] xprop -root _XKB_RULES_NAMES, or setxkbmap -print, assuming gnome sets that (i have no idea whether it does) [03:53] yep looks like it does [03:53] _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "base", "evdev", "us,us", ",dvorak", "grp:alts_toggle" [04:06] bryce: _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "evdev", "us", "dvorak", "lv3:ralt_switch,grp:alts_toggle,altwin:menu,compose:rwin,compose:ralt" [04:07] slangasek: that is with it working properly or brokenly? [04:08] bryce: that's with the wrong keysym being generated [04:08] hmm [04:08] and there's no difference after I run setxkbmap -rules evdev [04:10] ok, but running that fixed it last time? [04:10] it still fixes the xev output [04:11] but it appears not to affect the xprop value [04:11] gahh [04:23] brb [04:54] slangasek: If you're still up and about, I'd appreciate it if you'd accept the kdenetwork in hardy-backports. [05:31] slangasek: you have all the latest updates, meaning that gnome-settings-daemon no longer forces model=evdev? [05:45] tjaalton: it would be clearer if you would define "latest" in terms of package versions; I have 2.3.92-0ubuntu3 [05:46] er, 2.23.92-0ubuntu3 [05:46] slangasek: yeah, sorry. that's recent enough :) [05:48] tjaalton: it does appear, however, that this version only became available today, and that I downloaded it this afternoon, after my last restart [05:48] tjaalton: so did -0ubuntu2 still have the problem? [05:48] slangasek: ubuntu2 was the one that no longer forced it [05:48] ok [05:48] then I've had that installed since before my last reboot [05:50] yeah === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [06:14] ScottK-laptop: done [06:29] asac: how do I get NM 0.7 to not stomp on my domain search preferences as configured in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and/or /etc/resolv.conf, without also having to hard-code a DNS server preference? [06:43] slangasek, is there a reason you can't configure those settings in NM? [06:56] NCommander: ? [06:57] slangasek: I can't see a way myself, no. [06:57] slangasek, WHy can't you set the domain search preference in NM? [06:58] slangasek, it allows you to set it [06:58] NCommander: are you looking at the same version of NM that I am? [06:58] I dunno, how can I check? [06:58] slangasek: You're asking for an option between "DHCP for everything" and "DHCP for IP only", right? [06:58] NCommander: dpkg -l network-manager-gnome? [06:58] RAOF: yes [06:59] Yeah. I can't find one. [06:59] * NCommander reread slangasek and realized the same [06:59] ^question [06:59] RAOF: really, I want a statically-configured search domain that never, ever gets touched regardless of which network connection is active [07:00] but I would settle for being able to configure my domain search without having to statically configure DNS servers [07:00] slangasek, where is NM's development? [07:00] ^based [07:00] I'm not even sure what the 'search domain' _is_ :) [07:00] RAOF, a search domain is a domain that is automatically searched if there isn't an entry in the hosts file [07:00] i.e., at my school, all computers are on rh.rit.edu [07:01] the domain, or list of domains, configured with the 'search' option in /etc/resolv.conf [07:01] RAOF: essentially let's you type "archive" and automatically get "archive.ubuntu.com" if you have it set. [07:01] Normally if I want to access goober on my network, it needs to be goover.rh.rit.edu [07:01] That's pretty cool. [07:01] But if I was to set the domain to rit.edu, then I can type goover.rh [07:01] * RAOF now wants to set one! [07:01] RAOF: Set lots, for extra fun :) [07:01] RAOF: hmm, now I have an inkling of why no one has complained about this missing feature before now :) [07:02] NCommander: NM's development> in GNOME? [07:02] NCommander: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ if you want a url :) [07:02] slangasek: I suspect most of those that use the feature have been the same set of people who routinely purged network-manager on install. [07:02] persia, doesn't having a lot of search domains cause a lot of unnecessary DNS traffic since it will ping those DNS servers before checking the rest [07:02] persia: all the other options for managing wireless on a laptop appear to suck at least as much, so I've been giving NM the benefit of the doubt :) [07:03] persia: it /looks/ like NM 0.7 is good enough that I can finally have proper kerberos logins on my laptop [07:03] NCommander: Well, depends on frequency of use of the domains. At one nameless financial institution we used 14 search domains as a result of various mergers to support ease of access. [07:03] i.e., if i had ubuntu.com in my search domains, and then I tried to go to say somesite.com, won't it try somesite.com.ubuntu.com first? [07:03] slangasek: Yep. NM 0.7 hit the threshold of usability, so now the hard bugs get exposed. [07:03] slangasek, since I've been in a similar boat before I got my current router, I'll look into coding this feature for you :-) [07:03] * NCommander knows said pain [07:04] NCommander: There's an option for that -- if the name contains more than n dots, it must be fully-qualified [07:04] well, this is a laptop - it's going to be connected to lots of networks, all of which will have the wrong domain search [07:05] slangasek: Why Kerberos on your laptop? [07:05] because Kerberos is the One True Way [07:05] obvi [07:05] Actualy kerberos and reliable VPN on the laptop sounds like the right solution to lots of problems. [07:05] You went to Stanford, didn't you! [07:05] Didn't you! [07:06] nope, Iowa State [07:06] * NCommander has used Kerberos with CVS [07:06] God that hurt [07:06] and we ran AFS and Kerberos at ISU too [07:06] Kerberos is awesome ONCE you get it setup [07:06] But it hurts getting it setup [07:06] We were planning to use it at $OLD_WORK [07:06] And then I left. So now I don't care. [07:07] I got a crash course in kerberos adminning Windows Active Directory [07:07] WEEEE [07:08] Any protocol named after the three headed dog guarding the underworld has _got_ to be cool. [07:08] slangasek, ping me tommorow or the day after, and I'll probably be able to tell you how much pain is in store for adding the necessary code to NM [07:08] um [07:09] good morning [07:09] NCommander: Do you actually _sleep_? Stop making me feel inadequate! :) [07:09] so I'm going to ping you, and you're going to give me a pain quote? :) [07:09] * slangasek waves to dholbach [07:09] RAOF, you haven't seen my quit message [07:09] or away [07:09] hi slangasek :-) [07:09] slangasek: "Ouch, that ping hurt!" [07:09] * NCommander has quit IRC (This creature sleeps beyond the reach of time itself) [07:10] :-) [07:10] Heh. [07:10] (ten geek points if you know the reference) [07:10] * RAOF doesn't think so. [07:10] NCommander: John McCain's introduction at the RNC [07:11] slangasek, O_o;, Uh, well, its actually from a 12 year old game [07:11] That sounds right up my alley. [07:11] * StevenK tries to think what came out in 1996 [07:11] RAOF, super nes [07:11] Hrm, it might be older [07:11] * NCommander checks a release date [07:12] * RAOF never had a snes. [07:12] 1995 [07:12] so 13 years [07:12] Or, in fact, _any_ console but an xbox. [07:12] * StevenK never had a SNES, either [07:12] Had a rather bad PS2 port [07:12] * StevenK hugs his slimline PS2 [07:12] Geeze, you guys were deprived. Go play some final fantasy :-) [07:13] (although this quote doesn't come from FF) [07:13] Oooh, no, I lie! I also have a gamecube! [07:13] s/have/had/. [07:13] Man, I didn't think the reference was that obscure [07:13] Haha. Where did it go? [07:13] It stayed in Hobart with my brother. [07:13] Ah [07:14] Actually, I think one of my friends has it at the moment. [07:14] anyway, the quote is from Chrono Trigger (1995 - Squaresoft) [07:14] * RAOF remembers final fantasy: crystal chronicals as surprisingly fun multiplayer [07:14] Brotherhood of the travelling gamecube? [07:14] * StevenK hides [07:14] * NCommander remembers as FF: CC as pain pure and simple [07:14] And not the good pain [07:16] Repetitve music attack! [07:17] The only cool part in that game was when you traveled through mana gates [07:17] RAOF: I thought was Tetris? [07:17] * NCommander loves Tetris [07:17] My longest game lasted eight hours [07:18] Damn cheap game boy batteries [07:18] NCommander: I'm pretty sure all my memories of Chrono Trigger (which is still in the house here, somewhere) have been pushed aside by more arcane matters, sorry :) [07:18] \o/ - slangasek + 10 geek points! [07:18] (for having PLAYED chrono trigger) [07:19] That game was awesome [07:19] heh [07:19] I plan to buy it when its released for the DS [07:19] There goes another six months of my life [07:19] (or one Ubuntu release cycle where I'm just going to probably be MIA) [07:20] slangasek, the quote is near the end of the game when you get Epoch, and you turn off the Nu, and then try to talk to it, it says "This creature now sleeps beyond the reach of time itself." [07:21] NCommander, yeah that is one of my favorite games too. i look forward to it on DS as well. it's a shame the sequel to chrono cross never materialized [07:22] superm1, I didn't really care for chrono cross. Radient Dreamers which CC was based off was awesome though if you like those types of games [07:24] One of the most anonying but favorite games of mine is Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask [07:24] oh very indeed that was an annoying game, i fear i ended up referring to some guides with what i was "supposed" eg what time to meet people [07:25] Its one of the few games I couldn't beat without a guide [07:25] Stone Tower was near impossible [07:25] yup [07:25] Even with a guide, you have JUST enough time to get to the boss [07:25] Still, that game screws with your head [07:26] NCommander: Just like ubuntu development does sometimes. [07:26] TheMuso, I'm so screwed most of the time it makes sense [07:27] Go having no social life [07:27] (until I was 16) [07:28] Twilight Princess was awesome, it does not have so much mind screwing as Majora's Mask which is why it once my second favorite [07:28] * NCommander wishs Riven was available for Linux [07:35] * NCommander finds the Song of Heading song for his cell phone [07:37] er, HEALING [07:43] NCommander: I remember seeing somewhere that riven runs well under wine. [07:44] tjaalton: so we established that I have the right version of gnome-settings-daemon... no other guesses? :) [07:45] TheMuso, now I'd just have to find it, and then go insane trying to beat the fire marble puzzle [07:46] slangasek: so your keymap works otherwise, but not some of the special keys? [07:47] tjaalton: yes; the basic 104/105 keys (depending on whether I'm plugged into the KVM) seem to work ok [07:47] slangasek, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= - BTW, would you mind approving for -proposed the gnome-python-extras (it needs a binary only rebuild to resolve an issue on PPC) [07:48] slangasek: good to hear. I need to check if the mappings are 1:1 between the old and new method (kbd vs. evdev), seems that they are not [07:48] slangasek: and if true, it shouldn't be too hard to fix [07:48] NCommander: not just now; I'll have a look at it Monday at the latest [07:49] slangasek, cool, thank you [07:49] slangasek: do you know how the event flow worked on hardy? I don't know what role hal/gpm play in this [07:50] tjaalton: gpm shouldn't play any role in the stuff I'm interested in [07:51] tjaalton: I believe hal was involved and that something's gone askew in that regard in intrepid, but I don't know details [07:53] slangasek: btw, would you ack bug 268055 and bug 268071 [07:53] Launchpad bug 268055 in xorg-server "Please accept xorg-server 1.5.0-1ubuntu1" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268055 [07:53] :) [07:53] Launchpad bug 268071 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Please accept xfree86-driver-synaptics 0.15.1-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268071 [07:54] slangasek: ok, I'll take a look at hal. AIUI acpi-support should be obsolete, so it's a bit confusing to have it installed by default.. [07:54] s/take/have/ [07:54] er, why do people keep asserting that it's obsolete? [07:55] nothing else is handling my Fn+F5 (wireless toggle) key, and as far as I'm concerned, nothing else should be handling it [07:55] ok, so hal uses it? [07:55] I don't know [07:55] so confusing.. [07:55] but acpi-support provides handling of certain acpi events directly [07:55] hm, ok [07:56] events which I don't see any reason for hal to even touch [07:56] why add 4 layers for events where 1 layer currently suffices? [07:56] regarding the freeze exceptions, I don't have time to look at those tonight, I'll have a look in the morning [07:57] slangasek: could I poke someone else closer to my timezone? [07:58] tjaalton: sure, I think every other member of the release team is closer to your timezone ;) [07:58] ah, lp shows a couple of candidates [08:05] tjaalton: Are those packages in a PPA? I'd like to try them. If so, which PPA? [08:07] TheMuso: synaptics is, xorg-server isn't since it wouldn't install (video drivers need to be rebuilt against it) [08:08] TheMuso: http://ppa.launchpad.net/tjaalton/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xfree86-driver-synaptics/ [08:08] TheMuso: note that it's not the new 0.15.2 which was released yesterday [08:10] although it has two patches that are in .2 [08:12] tjaalton: oh ok [08:13] I was interested in 0.15.2. Never mind then, I'll wait to see if it hits the repo any time soon. [08:30] ScottK: so on the script to un-chroot... do I have that one? [08:33] hrm, subversion backport in hardy is broken, can't check certificates and complains [08:34] ScottK-laptop: do you know about that ^^ [08:56] Good morning [08:56] Riddell, hi === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:56] pitti .. where do you live [09:07] pitti, I have tried your D-Bus interface. From the command line it works as advertized as long as the driver is not already installed. [09:08] tkamppeter: right, if it is already installed it doesn't do anything [09:09] With the driver installed I got bug 268649 [09:09] Launchpad bug 268649 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with DBusException in call_blocking() (dup-of: 253224)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268649 [09:09] Launchpad bug 253224 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253224 [09:10] tkamppeter: thanks, could be a timeout (will look late) [09:10] later [09:10] tkamppeter: that thing also still needs a progress dialog for "Searching for drivers..." [09:10] tkamppeter: it's just barely working now and needs bug fixes [09:11] pitti, but now to a new, independent problem: I do not succed to trigger the driver download window when doing the DBUS call from a Python program. [09:11] ScottK-laptop: I think libneon needs a backport as well [09:11] ScottK-laptop: see debian bug 474139 [09:12] Debian bug 474139 in libneon27-gnutls "libneon27: Breaks access to some Subversion repositories" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/474139 [09:12] pitti, see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/45673/ [09:13] This program actually makes Jockey running (one sees it in the output of "top"), but the Jocky window does not open. [09:13] pitti, splix is not installed on my box. [09:15] Riddell, I want to know, how you made Qt/KDE outputting PDF when one sends a print job to CUPS. It is for a general documentation on how to make a system using the PDF printing workflow. [09:17] tkamppeter: do you get a crash report for it? [09:18] tkamppeter: or does search_driver() return normally? (you don't print its result) [09:18] The small Python program does not cause a crash report. [09:18] tkamppeter: or, rather, crash report -> exception message [09:18] tkamppeter: (since you catch DBusErrors) [09:19] The program does not raise an exception. It prints the "Done." and not the "D-Bus Error". [09:20] tkamppeter: ok, let's debug that in /msg [09:24] hi everyone [09:24] I removed a NBS (icedtea-java7-jre) recently [09:25] is it possible to remove it from the archives (and from people.ubuntu.com) [09:25] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/icedtea-java7-jre [09:32] asac: what's up with urlclassifier3.sqlite, seems to grow at a fast rate for some users (on hardy)? [09:34] asac: ok, I see there are bugs about it.. [09:34] user quota is 200MB, so ~50MB for that alone is a lot [09:34] WTF... somebody tried to order an Acer laptop under my name?! [09:35] * dholbach just got a call, that address was incomplete [09:38] anyone has a link explaining what is the plan for the xen kernel on intrepid? [09:46] norsetto: domU is in the normal kernels, AFAIK. And dom0 support isn't planned, also AFAIK. [09:46] is it possible to report a bug for a PPA that contains packages that might enter intrepid? [09:47] EruditeHermit: Only if an Ubuntu developer uploaded them to the PPA and explicitly says you're allowed to. [09:47] wgrant: if not, is there anything I can do? [09:47] wgrant: ok thx, I guess that means that the dependency on the linux-xen meta package we have on hardy can be dropped for intrepid [09:48] wgrant: I reported it upstream but they won't fix it until the next release which will miss intrepid [09:48] EruditeHermit: What makes you think it will be in Intrepid? [09:49] wgrant: OOo3 [09:49] wgrant: I read in the forums it might make it [09:50] calc: ^^ [09:50] http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=93399 [09:50] Error: Could not parse XML returned by OpenOffice.org: HTTP Error 404: Not Found (http://openoffice.org/issues/xml.cgi?id=93399) [09:53] its late I have to sleep [09:53] perhaps I'll pursue it tomorrow [09:54] gnight [09:54] thanks wgrant [09:56] Night EruditeHermit. [10:05] asac: forcing urlclassifier.updatecachemax for now, will have to do until the quota is something larger :) [10:19] tjaalton: hmm [10:20] good point [10:55] mvo_: can you remember why we kept the KDE 3 version of dist upgrader available? it's causing problems when it cycles through what can be run http://paste.ubuntu.com/45680/ [11:02] Riddell, I want to know, how you made Qt/KDE outputting PDF when one sends a print job to CUPS. It is for a general documentation on how to make a system using the PDF printing workflow. [11:02] Riddell: I kept it under the (incorrect) assumption that we need it for people without kde4, but I think that is not true so feel free to bzr rm [11:02] Riddell: also I thought I removed it from the list of modules that are tried [11:02] Riddell: let me check [11:04] Riddell: could I get the /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log from this? I'm curious why it tries to load the KDE version (it should try, gtk, kde4 and text in this order) [11:04] tkamppeter: it's explained here http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qprinter.html [11:04] tkamppeter: "On X11, QPrinter uses the Common Unix Printing System (CUPS) or the standard Unix lpr utility to send PostScript or PDF output to the printer." [11:05] tkamppeter: and this is what controls the output per application http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qprinter.html#setOutputFormat [11:10] Riddell, does this mean that you have patched all applications adding a setOutputFormat(QPrinter::PdfFormat)? [11:10] tkamppeter: no patch, it's what Qt does anyway, see this code http://paste.ubuntu.com/45717/ [11:11] so if CUPS is new enough Qt sets it to PDF [11:11] pitti: what is "handler_id" that you pass update_driver_info_ui() in jockey-gtk? [11:11] * Riddell points apachelogger towards mvo_ [11:12] Riddell, so then in the upstream world Qt were the first ones to switch to the PDF printing workflow? [11:12] tkamppeter: yes I believe so [11:12] tjaalton: Thanks. [11:13] lamont: Russell Cocker emailed it to you. [11:13] Already before my Japanese co-workers finished the CUPS filters [11:14]