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| evand | mpt: Still working on it, but how is this so far? (http://evalicious.com/tmp/usb-creator.png) | 09:29 |
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| evand | the slider will definitely get a human readable value on the right | 09:29 |
| mpt | evand, wow, nice work | 09:31 |
| mpt | The listboxes should have a border | 09:31 |
| mpt | "Other…" probably should be on the left rather than the right (if only to reduce the odd gap above the "USB disk to use:" label) | 09:32 |
| evand | noted. Yeah, the gap is a bug in gtk, unfortunately. | 09:33 |
| evand | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101968 | 09:33 |
| mpt | ah, yes, that famous bug | 09:34 |
| mpt | but no, I meant above the "USB disk to use:" label, not above the source listbox | 09:34 |
| evand | ah, whoops | 09:34 |
| mpt | "Other…" should have 12px inside horizontal padding (i.e. between the left/right of the label and the left/right edge of the button) | 09:36 |
| mpt | (and Glade should do that by default, dagnammit) | 09:36 |
| evand | heh | 09:38 |
| mpt | Ideally "How" should be aligned exactly with "Stored", but that's currently practically impossible in GTK <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454248> | 09:41 |
| evand | yeah, I tried to do that as best I could | 09:41 |
| mpt | but "How" should at least not be to the *left* of "Stored" in Ubuntu's default theme | 09:41 |
| evand | but packing it into the option button posed two problems | 09:42 |
| evand | one, it doesn't fully fill the remaining space to the right (which I ran into with another spec in the previous cycle) | 09:42 |
| evand | and two, the button then becomes centered on the combined label ("Stored in reserved") and slider | 09:42 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, evand, please have a look at 268123 | 09:43 |
| mpt | yeah, ugly | 09:43 |
| xivulon | it's a blocker for wubi and cking is out of ideas | 09:43 |
| mpt | evand, System > Preferences > Appearance > Visual Effects has the same problem | 09:43 |
| mpt | evand, looks like "Make Startup Disk" has more margin to its right than the rest of the window does | 09:45 |
| evand | hrm, well spotted | 09:46 |
| mpt | And finally, "Size" and "Free Space" should be the same width (though I guess that's probably also really difficult) | 09:46 |
| evand | I can always give it a shot and make a note of it if I don't find a solution for that in time | 09:47 |
| evand | thanks for the pointers. I'm going to take a short nap then get back to finishing these hopefully before the UI freeze cut off time, whenever that may be. | 09:48 |
| evand | do let me know if anything else comes to mind | 09:48 |
| evand | either here or in email | 09:48 |
| evand | xivulon: no idea without digging deeply into it, and I unfortunately don't have the time for that right now with the impending freeze | 09:49 |
| mpt | evand, what happens when either of those lists has more than one item? | 09:49 |
| persia | evand: I'm preseeding ubiquity, and am encountering a loop when partitioning. Would you have time to review/troubleshoot a preseed file? http://paste.ubuntu.com/45684/ | 09:49 |
| mpt | evand, does the window resize, or does the list get a teeny tiny scrollbar? | 09:50 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: OK, I think I've got it | 09:50 |
| xivulon | cjwatson you are a * | 09:50 |
| evand | mpt: I was going to pack a scrollbar around them. Thoughts? | 09:50 |
| mpt | I don't understand this GTK idea of a scrollbar being an independent entity | 09:51 |
| mpt | makes my brain hurt | 09:51 |
| evand | persia: select_disk looks wrong, but don't quote me on that. Unfortunately I quite need to get to bed. | 09:51 |
| mpt | but yes, they should have vertical scrollbars :-) | 09:51 |
| evand | heh | 09:52 |
| evand | persia: if cjwatson doesn't reply before I come back I'll take a closer look then | 09:52 |
| persia | evand: OK. Thanks. select_disk came from debconf-get-selections on the livecd, but that doesn't make it right :) | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | you should never preseed partman-auto/select_disk | 09:52 |
| cjwatson | start out with the installation guide rather than with debconf-get-selections | 09:52 |
| persia | OK. | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select some_device | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sdb | 09:53 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/method string regular | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/choose_recipe select atomic | 09:54 |
| cjwatson | and in general everything else should have d-i in the first field rather than console-setup or ubiquity (subtle debconf ownership stuff) | 09:54 |
| persia | Oops :) | 09:55 |
| cjwatson | one of these days I'll write some kind of Pure Magic heuristic tool that figures out the preseed file you actually wanted to write | 09:56 |
| evand | oh, mpt before I depart. Is disabling rows (which I need to figure out how exactly to do in a treeview) where the CD will never fit and adding a warning icon to rows where it might sufficiently self-explanitory, or should I add (dare I suggest) a tooltip or some other aid? | 09:56 |
| persia | cjwatson: Thank you. | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: uploaded; *should* work ... | 09:57 |
| evand | cjwatson: kickstart ;) | 09:57 |
| cjwatson | heh | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | doesnae work with ubiquity though | 09:58 |
| xivulon | cjwatson thanks, cannot test now though, davmor2 can you please regenerate the initrd and see if it works? | 09:58 |
| mpt | evand, ah, I didn't make a complete suggestion for that, did I | 09:58 |
| cjwatson | davmor2: err, wait a couple of hours for the new busybox-initramfs to arrive | 09:59 |
| mpt | hmm | 09:59 |
| mpt | evand, I think a line of text underneath the USB disk list, describing the situation for the selected disk: | 10:01 |
| mpt | "<disk name> has enough free space for <OS version>." | 10:02 |
| mpt | "<disk name> contains too many files to fit <OS version> alongside." | 10:02 |
| mpt | "<disk name> is too small for <OS version>." | 10:02 |
| mpt | Actually, better for the second case: | 10:05 |
| mpt | "<disk name> is too full to fit <OS version> (N MB more needed). ( Open )" | 10:06 |
| davmor2 | Hi guys not going to be around much today I can probably test it tonight or tomorrow at some point | 10:06 |
| mpt | (where "Open" opens the disk in Nautilus) | 10:06 |
| xivulon | #ubuntu-testing | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | mpt: on bug 254652, would "Installation Failed (Faulty CD)" work? | 10:07 |
| cjwatson | mpt: I'd like to put the "damnit it wasn't the installer's fault" up top, if possible | 10:08 |
| mpt | cjwatson, as long as the reason is prominent in the window, I don't think it needs to be wedged into the title too | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | hm, ok, I was just concerned that people wouldn't bother reading the more verbose text | 10:09 |
| cjwatson | but if you're sure, ok | 10:10 |
| mpt | In alerts I think people are more likely to read the primary text than the window title | 10:10 |
| mpt | (to the point where most alerts shouldn't bother with titles, unless they have no parent window) | 10:10 |
| cjwatson | I'll make the primary text a little more verbose as well; "This particular error is due to" -> "This is due to" | 10:11 |
| cjwatson | little LESS verbose | 10:11 |
| mpt | great | 10:12 |
| CIA-46 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2809 ubiquity/debian/ (81 files in 2 dirs): | 10:16 |
| CIA-46 | ubiquity: Fix window title of bulk copy failure alerts, and remove a bit of | 10:16 |
| CIA-46 | ubiquity: unnecessary verbosity from the primary text (LP: #254652). | 10:16 |
| persia | I have a two-line patch for partman-partitioning/lib/disk-label.sh Where's the best place to try to push it for review? | 10:58 |
| cjwatson | branch of lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/partman-partitioning/ubuntu, or attached to a bug if you can't be bothered :) | 11:01 |
| persia | I don't mind branching. | 11:01 |
| persia | I'm also getting a repeatable crash of partman, even with the now fixed preseed. I'm not finding anything informative in /var/log/installer/debug, /var/log/partman or /var/log/syslog. When running ubiquity under strace -f, I am unable to find the reported exit value of 10. | 11:12 |
| persia | Branch with 2-line patch for review is lp:~persia/partman-partitioning/ubuntu | 11:13 |
| cjwatson | partman behaves oddly if partially preseeded. Are you using ubiquity --debug? (/var/log/installer/debug isn't much use without that.) | 11:21 |
| cjwatson | that partman-partitioning branch is fine; I'll merge it | 11:22 |
| persia | I was using just "-d". Does it need the entire word? | 11:22 |
| cjwatson | -d is fine too | 11:23 |
| cjwatson | can I see the debug file? | 11:23 |
| persia | Yeah, I was afraid my problem was with preseeding :( | 11:23 |
| cjwatson | though cf. bug 268593, there might be a more recently-introduced bug than the one I'm thinking of | 11:24 |
| persia | Take me a bit to pull it out: it's on a KVM instance with no functional mouse :) | 11:24 |
| cjwatson | scp to the host? | 11:24 |
| persia | Actually, bug 268593 looks exactly like what I'm finding. | 11:25 |
| cjwatson | you might try not preseeding partman-auto/init_automatically_partition | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | it shouldn't be needed if you've preseeded partman-auto/disk and partman-auto/method | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | (I don't think ...) | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | partman-partitioning uploaded, though CIA is sulking and refuses to report it | 11:26 |
| persia | I'll give that a shot when I've extracted the log. | 11:26 |
| persia | Thanks. The next alternate CD might actually work (assuming it builds today) | 11:27 |
| persia | /var/log/installer/debug is http://paste.ubuntu.com/45721/ | 11:31 |
| CIA-46 | partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r683 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 59ubuntu5 | 11:31 |
| CIA-46 | partman-partitioning: cjwatson * r682 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog lib/disk-label.sh): merge from lp:~persia/partman-partitioning/ubuntu | 11:31 |
| persia | http://paste.ubuntu.com/45723/ is the associated /var/log/partman | 11:32 |
| cjwatson | oh, not quite the same thing | 11:33 |
| cjwatson | basically the problem is that ubiquity's state machine drove partman the wrong way and ended up backing up all the way out | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | did you interact with partman at all, or was it entirely automatic? | 11:34 |
| cjwatson | from the timestamps I'm guessing the latter unless you were super-quick | 11:34 |
| persia | entirely automatic: X doesn't recognise the KVM keyboard or mouse on the image I'm using. | 11:34 |
| persia | (which makes it a little tricky to "Try Again") | 11:35 |
| cjwatson | usually the process for debugging this kind of thing is to bring up two windows, one with partman and one with ubiquity's partman state machine, and do a tedious manual trace | 11:35 |
| persia | Oh well. I was hoping for a silver bullet. | 11:37 |
| persia | I'll dig through by hand then. Running `sudo partman` generates some errors that udpkg isn't found, and one that apt-install isn't found, but formats the disk as requested and mounts it to both swap and /target | 11:38 |
| cjwatson | oh, yeah, you can't realistically run partman from a shell | 11:40 |
| cjwatson | I wouldn't bother with that, it'll be too different | 11:40 |
| persia | I was just happy it worked : it confirmed for me that the patch you recently merged was sufficient. | 11:40 |
| persia | But yes, it doesn't really help debug ubiquity. | 11:41 |
| cjwatson | Hm. OK, the problem is that when ubiquity is in automatic mode it immediately responds to all debconf INPUT commands for questions that are marked as seen with 30 question skipped. | 11:47 |
| cjwatson | This is done at a very low level, and is across the board. | 11:47 |
| cjwatson | However, ubiquity's partman state machine relies on being able to go back and forward a lot, which involves it being informed about INPUT commands for questions that are marked as seen. | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | --automatic defeats this right now and so everything breaks. | 11:49 |
| persia | Essentially, partman doesn't work with --automatic then? | 11:49 |
| cjwatson | Right. This might not be too hard to fix, though; all ubiquity should need to do is explicitly mark questions as unseen when it wants to be notified of them again. | 11:50 |
| persia | What if I preseeded *every* internal value set during the desktop install? | 11:50 |
| cjwatson | You can't do that with partman | 11:51 |
| persia | Oh, that doesn't sound so bad. Is that intrusive enough to warrant delay, or something that could be done sooner? | 11:51 |
| persia | I was afraid of that. Perhaps the best solution is to go fix X :) | 11:51 |
| cjwatson | Preseeding only works with straight-through paths, and partman repeatedly asks the same questions with different parameters | 11:52 |
| cjwatson | That's why there's this completely separate partman-auto/{disk,method} approach for preseeding | 11:52 |
| persia | Oh, so partman-auto is intended to inform partman without blocking the queries? | 11:52 |
| cjwatson | Ish | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | It bypasses all the interactive stuff | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | But ubiquity does its own scanning in order to be able to build a UI | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | Of course, that isn't necessary if partman is preseeded, so we could also make ubiquity check for that ... | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | I have to go and do some other things, but I'm happy to work on this. It's a generic bug, not lpia-specific or anything | 11:54 |
| persia | OK. No rush, as I only encounter it trying to work around something else :) | 11:55 |
| persia | Please let me know if I can help test, but I'll admit to only limited understanding of the ubiquity and d-i code. | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | All this ubiquity/partman state machine stuff is my fault anyway | 11:55 |
| persia | Well, you're also the person to thank for heaps of it working as well :) | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | Hmm, of course part of the problem here is that questions are getting marked as seen even though they were purely internal and never shown to the user | 12:10 |
| cjwatson | that really can't be helping | 12:10 |
| persia | OK. With X hacked to work a bit better, I can now reliably reproduce something more akin to bug 268593, at least for /var/log/installer/debug and /var/log/partman | 12:39 |
| saispo | cjwatson1: do you think it's possible to build an i386 and an amd64 cd with extra repository where packages are in the same directory ? must tweak apt-ftparchive no ? | 15:07 |
| saispo | cjwatson1: you use dak or reprepro for building archives ? | 15:22 |
| cjwatson1 | should be perfectly possible | 15:25 |
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| cjwatson | Ubuntu as a whole uses Soyuz; cdimage uses apt-ftparchive | 15:25 |
| saispo | cjwatson: ok, thanks, will search how... :) | 15:30 |
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| davmor2 | cjwatson: right I'm back home now is it possible to test wubi now? | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | you'd need a CD for an actual wubi test, but it ought to be possible to upgrade busybox-initramfs, run 'sudo update-initramfs -u', and see if it's possible to mount an ntfs partition from the initramfs | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | I can't help you with the procedure right now though | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | if you need a CD, that should happen tomorrow | 16:35 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: cool does that mean the landscape issue is resolved now? | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | by means of removing landscape-client from ubuntu-desktop for the moment, yes | 16:43 |
| davmor2 | cjwatson: Ah cool. I'll leave for in the morning then I think as I believe it will dl the iso if the cd isn't available anway | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | evand: you have a pile of new bugs from me; 269044, 269048, and 269050 should be low-hanging fruit | 17:44 |
| cjwatson | (at least) | 17:44 |
| evand | cjwatson: much appreciated. Gave a quick look over and I'll implement/integrate fixes once I'm done working in mpt's suggestions. | 17:48 |
| cjwatson | I'm just trying to get to the point where successful runs are actually possible | 17:48 |
| evand | weird, it's been working fine for me. | 17:48 |
| evand | but that's probably to be expected | 17:48 |
| cjwatson | I don't see how install.py could possibly work | 17:49 |
| evand | indeed, I'm quite surprised given your bug report, but I've seen it happen. | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | you aren't being fooled due to bug 269035? | 17:50 |
| evand | hrm, possibly. Still, I've watched it fill the disk. | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | oh, it fills the disk OK | 17:52 |
| cjwatson | the failures in install.py are after bulk copying | 17:52 |
| evand | ahhh | 17:53 |
| kirkland | hey guys, what's the traditional way of getting important early boot messages to either a) be splash-printed, or b) kill splash so that the console shows? | 18:51 |
| kirkland | cf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/268873 | 18:51 |
| kirkland | just a pointer to some other code would suffice..... | 18:52 |
| cjwatson | usplash has a TEXT-URGENT message type; see usplash_write(8) | 18:54 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: thanks | 18:55 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: it's not immediately obvious to me as to how I might "usplash_read()", in that I have a question which asks, "Do you wish to start the degraded RAID?" which times out after 15 seconds | 19:13 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: if usplash is enabled, that's not shown, and the timeout happens | 19:13 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: i see how I could use usplash_write()... but not how I might grab that y/n input | 19:14 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: would it be reasonable for me to just kill usplash if running before displaying that text and prompting? | 19:14 |
| cjwatson | there's an INPUTTIMEOUT command | 19:17 |
| cjwatson | scripts/casper-functions in casper has an example of how to use the INPUT* family | 19:18 |
| cjwatson | please don't kill usplash | 19:18 |
| cjwatson | if [ -x /sbin/usplash_write ]; then | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | /sbin/usplash_write "INPUTENTER $@" | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | read nunya < /dev/.initramfs/usplash_outfifo | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | fi | 19:19 |
| cjwatson | though with a different command and actually doing something with the input | 19:19 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: thanks! | 19:27 |
| * evand thinks he's going to go blind staring at d-feet's supposedly pretty printed output. | 19:34 | |
| cjwatson | persia: I'm fixing the lpia CD build failure; it's because the kernel team yet again forgot to tell me about an ABI bump. | 21:38 |
| cjwatson | I have complained about this before | 21:38 |
| superm1 | cjwatson, perhaps make it the the responsibility of whomever uploads an ABI bump to update platform.intrepid in the future? | 22:02 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: solved the usplash problem, with a pointer from kees... there was a missing chvt(1) call in initramfs-tools when calling the failure hooks | 22:03 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: one-line patch attached to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/268873 ... kees may sponsor for me | 22:04 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, re 268123 partial progress: | 23:57 |
| xivulon | mount -t ntfs -> no such device | 23:57 |
| xivulon | mount.ntfs -> OK | 23:57 |
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