[02:43] <kgoetz> hi all.
[10:57] <asac> Jazzva: i got a fail to build mail about foxyproxy?
[10:57] <asac> whats going on?
[10:58] <asac> didnt that ever build?
[10:58] <asac> and nobody complained?
[11:03] <asac> debian bug 497491
[13:03] <Jazzva> asac, I think we talked about that a month ago. It failed back then too, and I think that you pushed 2.7.5-0ubuntu2
[13:03] <Jazzva> I'll check if you did
[13:05] <Jazzva> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/firefox-extensions/foxyproxy.ubuntu/+merge/586
[13:05] <Jazzva> Hmm, I thought that you merged that :)
[13:06] <Jazzva> hmm, you did
[13:06] <Jazzva> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/foxyproxy.ubuntu
[13:06] <Jazzva>  By  Alexander Sack  on 2008-07-29    * RELEASE 2.7.5-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid
[13:17] <asac> Jazzva: hmm
[13:17] <asac> Jazzva: maybe it was just late coming mail then?
[13:17] <asac> (it was about ubuntu1)
[13:17] <Jazzva> Maybe
[13:18] <asac> Jazzva: oh
[13:18] <asac> ubuntu2 wasnt uploaded ;)
[13:18] <Jazzva> but then again, -0ubuntu2 isn't showing
[13:18] <Jazzva> ah :)
[13:18] <Volans> back
[13:19] <Jazzva> Volans, welcome back
[13:20] <Volans> Hi Jazzva :)
[13:22] <Jazzva> asac, when will abrowser be included in ubuntu? Jaunty? Or Intrepid?
[13:22] <asac> Jazzva: uploaded
[13:22] <asac> Jazzva: next upload
[13:22] <Jazzva> asac, thanks :)
[13:23] <asac> all is done in the branch. i just need to rename everything to abrowser now :)
[13:32] <asac> Jazzva: ok abrowser-brnading uploaded to mt archive
[13:32] <asac> hmm without orig ;)
[13:33] <Jazzva> heh :)... off to get smokes
[13:33] <asac> ok reuploding
[13:36] <asac> hmm ... the orig was already there as it seems
[13:36] <asac> anyway ... should be building now
[13:37]  * asac preparing for lunch
[13:41] <asac> Jazzva: ok the i386 build finished for intrepid
[13:41] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[13:41] <asac> could you test whether it works nicely for you?
[13:41] <asac> the idea is to install abrowser -> you get the abrowser branding
[13:41] <asac> if you then install "firefox" .... you ge tthe firefox brandin
[13:42] <asac> if you have firefox installed and just upgrade you should still have firefox branding
[13:54] <Jazzva> asac, ok
[13:54] <Jazzva> so, to remove firefox and get abrowser?
[13:54] <asac> Jazzva: just install apt-get install abrowser
[13:54] <asac> that hsould do the trick
[13:59] <Jazzva> asac, abrowser is not showing in mt ppa...
[14:05] <Jazzva> ah, it's in firefox-3.0
[14:07] <Jazzva> ok, it's here now... when I was updating sources, it fetched the old list
[14:10] <Jazzva> asac, seems the menu entry for A Browser is wrong
[14:10] <Jazzva> it says it can't run webbrowser command
[14:10] <Jazzva> maybe it should be abrowser? :)
[14:11] <armin76> @time
[14:11] <Jazzva> asac, menu entry says "A Browser"... title bar says "Web Browser"
[14:35] <asac> Jazzva: right. makes sense
[14:36] <asac> Jazzva: icons ?
[14:36] <Jazzva> icons are ok
[14:36] <Jazzva> neonish light-blue glob
[14:36] <Jazzva> *globe
[14:36] <Jazzva> though, it uses the mozilla globe when you go to help -> about -> credits
[14:37] <Jazzva> and, afaics, the rest of the icons are taken from gnome theme.
[14:40] <Jazzva> ok, lunch. see you later
[15:08] <Jazzva> back
[15:30] <asac> Jazzva: ok. the .desktop thing is still broken
[15:30] <asac> e.g the menu
[15:30] <Jazzva> asac, why don't you just change the call to abrowser?
[15:30] <Jazzva> :)
[15:32] <asac> Jazzva: in .destkop?
[15:32] <asac> thats the idea
[15:32] <Jazzva> mhm
[15:32] <asac> its just that i forgot it
[15:32] <Jazzva> ok, that's what I did locally
[15:32] <Jazzva> oh, ok :)
[15:34] <asac> Jazzva: ok committed and uploaded a new version to ppa
[15:34] <Jazzva> yay :)
[15:34] <Jazzva> I'll upgrade it, once it's built
[15:35] <asac> Jazzva: have you tried to switch back and forward?
[15:35] <asac> e.g. install firefox, then install abrowser?
[15:35] <Jazzva> well, I had firefox, then installed abrowser
[15:35] <Jazzva> Now I have it it, and firefox is missing
[15:35] <Jazzva> :)
[15:35] <Jazzva> I mean, it's menu entyr
[15:35] <Jazzva> *entry
[15:36] <asac> yes
[15:36] <asac> thats expected
[15:36] <asac> you should have A Browser in the menu ;)
[15:37] <Jazzva> I have it :)
[15:37] <asac> this is strange. i use the same .desktop file name for both
[15:37] <asac> but still when i put the menuentry into the gnome panel
[15:37] <asac> it doesnt change
[15:38] <asac> it sticks to whatever pic and command was used in the old thing
[15:38] <Jazzva> it doesn't?
[15:38] <Jazzva> well, it changed for me
[15:38] <asac> no.
[15:38] <Jazzva> from Fx -> A Browser
[15:38] <asac> Jazzva: the menu entry or a quick starter?
[15:38] <Jazzva> menu entry
[15:38] <asac> Jazzva: yes that works
[15:38] <asac> but the quick start icon in the panel doesnt
[15:38] <Jazzva> hmm
[15:38] <Jazzva> maybe it needs to be reloaded
[15:38] <Jazzva> killall gnome-panel
[15:38] <Jazzva> and let's see what will happen
[15:38] <Jazzva> :)
[15:39] <asac> indeed
[15:39] <asac> thanks
[15:39] <Jazzva> hmm
[15:39] <asac> Jazzva: ok so in .postinst -> killall gnome-panel ;)
[15:39] <Jazzva> it has a different icon (the A Browser's globe)
[15:39] <Jazzva> but the title still says Firefox Web Browser
[15:39] <asac> it does?
[15:39] <Jazzva> maybe I manually added it...
[15:40] <Jazzva> I mean, the title
[15:40] <asac> Jazzva: if you manually modify it it will stick
[15:40] <asac> maybe dump it and create a new fresh one
[15:40] <Jazzva> right... that's probably why it didn't change
[15:40] <asac> by dragging from menu or something
[15:40] <Jazzva> yeah.. I'll do that, when I go back to firefox, to see if it will change when I switch to a-browser
[15:42] <asac> good thing about the name is that it will appear on top of the menu ;)
[15:42] <asac> err at the top ;)
[15:42] <Jazzva> yep :)
[15:44] <asac> Jazzva: http://paste.ubuntu.com/45821/
[15:45] <Jazzva> switching to firefox, just a sec ;)
[15:45] <asac> i wonder if korean folks will feel offended ;)
[15:46] <Jazzva> oh, yay... my gnome-panel is not reloading :)
[15:48] <asac> Jazzva: for me the first time it took a long time
[15:48] <asac> but then became snappy ;)
[15:48] <Jazzva> asac, I don't really know korean
[15:48] <Jazzva> why would they be offended? :)
[15:49] <asac> becuase i just added a "A " in front of whatever i think means "Web Browser"
[15:49] <Jazzva> aha :)
[15:49] <Jazzva> noticed
[15:51]  * asac goes to New bugs processing for NM :(
[15:51] <Jazzva> asac, what's the current version of abrowser?
[15:51] <Jazzva> 0ubuntu2~mt1?
[15:52] <Jazzva> nope, ~mt2
[15:54] <asac> Jazzva: mt2
[15:54] <asac> yes
[15:57] <Jazzva> oh, great. now I'm left without the terminal and gnome panel...
[15:59] <Jazzva> ok, panel is back :)
[16:07]  * armin76 waves to panel
[16:07] <asac> armin76: killall gnome-panel
[17:26] <Jazzva> asac, how about using strict versioning in debian/control for abrowser and abrowser-3.0-branding
[17:26] <Jazzva> ?
[17:27] <Jazzva> I just upgraded abrowser, but it didn't upgrade abrowser-3.0-branding
[17:33] <Jazzva> hmm... it seems it doesn't update the quick start icon
[17:33] <Jazzva> I deleted the old one, and put a new one, that I dragged from the menu
[17:33] <asac> bug #260055
[17:33] <asac> hmm
[17:34] <asac> Jazzva: huh?
[17:34] <Jazzva> installed abrowser after that, killed gnome panel, restarted it, the icon changed, but it still says Firefox Web Browser
[17:34] <asac> Jazzva: why didnt it upgrade -branding?
[17:34] <Jazzva> dunno...
[17:34] <asac> anyway .. its uploaded ;)
[17:34] <Jazzva> I did apt-get install abrowser, and it downloaded it
[17:34] <Jazzva> and after that a-g install abrowser-3.0-branding
[17:34] <asac> let me check i the binaries are built
[17:34] <asac> (they are NEW)
[17:35] <Jazzva> that's ~mt2?
[17:36] <asac> Jazzva: no its bumped
[17:36] <Jazzva> ok
[17:39] <asac> Jazzva: ok. pitti will proces them tomorrow
[17:39] <Jazzva> ok
[17:39] <asac> Jazzva: you sure -branding doesnt upgrade to mt2 for you?
[17:43] <Jazzva> asac, I did it manually
[17:44] <Jazzva> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/45847/
[17:44] <Jazzva> that's the output
[18:25] <pmatulis> asac: hi again, so the FF3/NFS issue is back on the table.  please advise
[19:16] <asac> Jazzva: ok. thats ok. i thought it didnt upgrade when running "upgrade"
[19:16] <asac> pmatulis: are you in the state where you cannot connect to the places.sqlite DB?
[19:19] <Jazzva> asac, oh... ok
[19:20] <Jazzva> asac, wouldn't it be safer with strict versioning :)?
[19:20] <asac> Jazzva: there is no risk ;)
[19:20] <Jazzva> asac, ok
[19:20] <asac> so it cant be safer ;)
[19:20] <asac> mbrowser is just a meta package with nothing in it
[19:20] <asac> abrowser ;)
[19:20] <Jazzva> ah
[19:23] <pmatulis> asac: from a working system (as well as a broken one) the .tables command shows 'database is locked'.  do you have a specific test for me?
[19:23] <asac> pmatulis: so it isnt different on a broken and working system?
[19:24] <pmatulis> asac: that's right
[19:24] <asac> (both when browser is closed)
[19:24] <pmatulis> asac: one sec
[19:24] <asac> pmatulis: it should be reasonable that the database is locked when browser is running
[19:24] <asac> what would be a problem is when database is locked while browser isnt running
[19:24] <pmatulis> asac: right
[19:24] <asac> which i understood is the case for nfs cold boot
[19:24] <asac> is that really the case?
[19:25] <pmatulis> asac: locked on broken
[19:25] <Lns> asac: how goes it?
[19:25] <asac> pmatulis: locked=logged?
[19:25] <asac> Lns: if someone asks like this i always have the feeling that it wont get better ;)
[19:25] <pmatulis> asac: on working it does not connect ('encrypted or not a database')
[19:26] <asac> pmatulis: ok. thats when browser is not running?
[19:26] <pmatulis> asac: on broken, i connect but the .tables command gives 'database is locked'
[19:26] <pmatulis> asac: yes, not running
[19:26] <Lns> asac: lol... just checking in with you regarding what we discussed last week regarding Firefox 3.01 in Ubuntu/LTSP, and the slowness/lockup issues I've (and others) have been experiencing.. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704
[19:26] <asac> pmatulis: do you use sqlite3? i think i saw that "encrypted" error when trying sqlite (aka v2)
[19:27] <pmatulis> asac: i'm on hardy, it's sqlite3
[19:27] <pmatulis> asac: but my broken system is intrepid
[19:27] <asac> pmatulis: hardy also has sqlite (aka 2)
[19:28] <pmatulis> asac: yes, just saw that
[19:28] <asac> pmatulis: $ sqlite places.sqlite
[19:28] <asac> Unable to open database "places.sqlite": file is encrypted or is not a database
[19:28] <asac> asac@tinya:~/.mozilla/firefox/8bil8cfx.default$ sqlite3 places.sqlite
[19:28] <asac> SQLite version 3.4.2
[19:28] <asac> pmatulis: so please try sqlite3 ;)
[19:28] <pmatulis> asac: ah
[19:28] <asac> Enter ".help" for instructions
[19:28] <asac> sqlite> asac@tinya:~/.mozilla/firefox/8bil8cfx.default$
[19:29] <asac> pmatulis: ok. so i assume that the problem really is that its locked
[19:29] <asac> on broken system ... but not on working system (when ffox is not running for both)
[19:29] <pmatulis> asac: now with sqlite3 on both systems i get same output
[19:29] <pmatulis> asac: no difference
[19:29] <asac> pmatulis: what exactly?
[19:30] <asac> "Datbase locked" ?
[19:30] <pmatulis> asac: .tables command gives 10 tables (moz_anno_attributes, moz.....)
[19:31] <asac> pmatulis: and are you positive that firefox is still broken now?
[19:32] <pmatulis> asac: on broken, i lost all toolbar bookmarks and back/forward buttons
[19:32] <asac> pmatulis: ok. but when stopping firefox, moving places.sqlite3 away and then back to that location and starting firefox again cures you?
[19:33] <pmatulis> asac: stand by
[19:33] <pmatulis> asac: yes
[19:33] <asac> pmatulis: really?
[19:33] <pmatulis> asac: yes
[19:34] <asac> pmatulis: hmm. what i would find interesting is whether the size of that file changed
[19:34] <asac> from before and after
[19:34] <asac> but you probably cannot test that quickly?
[19:34] <pmatulis> asac: stand by for cold boot and cure?
[19:36] <asac> pmatulis: let me test something
[19:38] <asac> hmm i managed to get the db into a "locked" state
[19:39] <asac> but then i wanted to see if that reproduces it
[19:39] <asac> but now i cant get that into that state anymore
[19:42] <pmatulis> asac: nope, no change in file at all
[19:42] <pmatulis> asac: but cure works again
[19:43] <asac> pmatulis: good.
[19:43] <asac> pmatulis: i am still thinking that its a lock causing this
[19:43] <asac> which is done on a filesystem basis and moving back and forth resolves that
[19:43] <asac> now i am trying to get my database in such a state ;)
[19:44] <pmatulis> asac: pop up an nfs share!
[19:45] <pmatulis> asac: i think my previous results became inconsistent b/c my nfs share wasn't set up properly (uid mapping problem)
[19:45] <asac> pmatulis: well. for you the db isnt even locked?
[19:45] <asac> (when using sqlite3)?
[19:45] <pmatulis> asac: wasn't before, trying again
[19:46] <pmatulis> asac: note that i still have to go through the profile locking barrier
[19:46] <pmatulis> asac: by removing .parentlock and .lock
[19:46] <pmatulis> asac: not even looking at that (not sure if it's related)
[19:48]  * asac  currently reading http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Storage#SQLite_Locking
[19:50] <asac> ah ok
[19:50] <asac> so begin EXCLUSIVE;
[19:50] <asac> in sqlite3 will put the db into a locked state
[19:51] <pmatulis> asac: this time the DB is locked (?)
[19:53] <asac> pmatulis: ok. but ffox isnt running?
[19:56] <pmatulis> asac: correct
[19:57] <asac> pmatulis: ok. now what we would need to know if there is a way to forcefully release a flock
[19:57] <asac> which i think is on that file
[19:57] <asac> (if you dont get "database locked" firefox probably adoesnt have an exclusive lock, but a shared one)
[20:06] <pmatulis> asac: you want me to try something else?
[20:42] <asac> pmatulis: i am out for 1h or so cu later
[20:43] <pmatulis> asac: do you want me to open a bug for this or not?
[22:43] <bdmurray> asac: around?
[22:45] <asac> bdmurray: one sec
[22:46] <asac> bdmurray: so... go ahead ;)
[22:47] <bdmurray> bug 216354 looks like a dup of bug 204631 - I was planning on merging them
[22:48] <bdmurray> and making that one not private
[22:49] <asac> bdmurray: yeah. also maybe remove the [] brackets around master
[22:49] <asac> launchpad doesnt find MASTER if they are in brackets (anymore)
[22:49] <bdmurray> that's really neat
[22:58] <bdmurray> asac: where did you notice that search feature?
[22:58] <asac> bdmurray: hmm. works better now
[22:58] <asac> strange
[22:59] <bdmurray> hmm, and I already changed it - oh well
[23:01] <asac> bdmurray: not a problem :) ... as long as it shows up when searching for MASTER its fine imo
[23:03] <bdmurray> asac: bug 216496 and bug 263749 also seem to be dups should the newer one be used as the master?
[23:04] <asac> bdmurray: imo. there is no need to re-master bug-clusters :)
[23:04] <asac> so keep the original main bug
[23:04] <asac> if there is valuable info it might be worth pasting that into the main bug
[23:04] <bdmurray> neither has any dups and the newer one is about the 8.10 package
[23:05] <bdmurray> whoops, I guess the older one has one dupe
[23:06] <asac> yeah. whatever bug has less dups becomes a child bug imo
[23:07] <bdmurray> right, I'll just add the version from the 8.10 bug into the parent
[23:09] <asac> bdmurray: is there any hint about how to reproduce them?
[23:10] <asac> bdmurray: hmm
[23:10] <asac> 263749 is a reall old bug
[23:10] <asac> i mean a dupe of a old bug
[23:10] <asac> look for gtk_style_realize
[23:11] <bdmurray> in firefox maybe and not firefox-3.0 maybe?
[23:11] <asac> bdmurray: yeah in firefox
[23:12] <asac> oh dear
[23:12] <asac> launchpad search again :)
[23:13] <asac> bdmurray: 88011
[23:13] <asac> 88011
[23:13] <asac> 91054
[23:14] <asac> 114943
[23:14] <asac> 70875
[23:14] <asac> 74252
[23:14] <asac> hmm ... i am sure we had a master with 200+ dupes
[23:14] <asac> where is it?
[23:14] <bdmurray> maybe 72018?
[23:15] <asac> bug 72018?
[23:15] <asac> bug 72018
[23:15] <asac> ah yeah
[23:15] <asac> bdmurray: ok (variant)
[23:15] <asac> was the left over bug
[23:15] <asac> which i set to "wont fix"
[23:15] <asac> because i didnt get more dupes
[23:15] <asac> bdmurray: so if the traces are similar we should reopen that one
[23:18] <bdmurray> They look similar to me.
[23:18] <asac> bdmurray: i dont mind
[23:18] <asac> we can also make a new master for ffox 3
[23:19] <bdmurray> the dups talk about gtk_style_realize, gtk_style_attach and gtk_widget_set_style_internal which all match
[23:20] <asac> tse
[23:20] <asac> bdmurray: so which ffox 3 bugs are candidates for dupes?
[23:20] <asac> oh got you
[23:21] <bdmurray> bug 216496 and its dups
[23:22] <asac> bdmurray: ok. i dont mind what you do with them
[23:22] <asac> they are certainly confirmed
[23:22] <asac> but i get the feeling that this is a whole class of crashes
[23:22] <asac> and most likely its different to the one we had in ffox 2
[23:24] <asac> too bad that we have no clue how to repro
[23:25] <asac> iirc, this crash class happens when there is a dangling window for an already freed widget
[23:25] <asac> or was it the other way around
[23:25] <asac> hmm
[23:25] <Lns> asac: This isn't a dupe, but I was wondering if you had time to work on this bug with me: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704
[23:25] <asac> Lns: did you get feedback from ogra?
[23:26] <Lns> asac: no i didn't, was he notified of it?
[23:26] <asac> Lns: didnt i send you to him?
[23:26] <Lns> asac: nope..you told me to catch up with you the next day re: it
[23:27] <asac> yeah. ok
[23:27] <Lns> and my wife had our baby that day...so...i wasn't too available until now
[23:27] <asac> you should remember me earlier
[23:27] <asac> he is again gone for today
[23:27] <asac> ;)
[23:27] <asac> Lns: ah ok
[23:27] <Lns> heh.. ok =) so did you talk with him at all about it?
[23:27] <asac> no
[23:27] <asac> Lns: maybe ill remember when i see him chatting tomorrow
[23:27] <asac> Lns: its easier to open a bug in launchpad
[23:27] <asac> and subscribe him there i think
[23:28] <Lns> I'll do that
[23:28] <Lns> (open a bug)
[23:28] <asac> do you have a bug?
[23:28] <Lns> just in bugzilla
[23:28] <asac> yes. subscribe me too
[23:28] <asac> asac
[23:28] <asac> and ogra
[23:28] <Lns> ok, np
[23:28]  * Lns didn't know you could subscribe other people
[23:28] <asac> that mail will end up in a high prio mailbox then
[23:28] <asac> you can on the side there is an action
[23:28] <asac> "subscribe someone else"
[23:28] <Lns> nice. ok i'm on it. thanks =)
[23:29] <asac> welcome
[23:30] <asac> bdmurray: where is the latest bug graph for ffox 3?
[23:30] <Lns> asac: i did sub to this bug, thinking it might be related..any thoughts? https://bugs.launchpad.net/firefox/+bug/229745
[23:32] <asac> Lns: well. thats still a problem and it causes IO
[23:32] <asac> Lns: if you dont have a high IO load
[23:32] <asac> then its not the problem most likely
[23:32] <asac> or is that IO load you are seeing?
[23:33] <Lns> asac: well i haven't checked IO, but 35 people jumping on FF at the same time would definitely cause blockage...
[23:33] <Lns> well, the CPU definitely pegs out, even with just a few users jumping on
[23:33] <asac> Lns:  that problem doesnt start right on startup from what i know
[23:33] <Lns> sitting idle will still cause single procs to consume 30-60% cpu
[23:33] <asac> its something that gets worth over time
[23:33] <Lns> ok
[23:33] <Lns> maybe 2 separate things
[23:33] <asac> worse ;)
[23:34] <asac> Lns: for you disabling that malware thing helps?
[23:35] <Lns> asac: I think it did help, but there are still issues. I did get some reports that after "a couple of minutes" firefox will launch - some after getting the "Firefox is already running" error and trying again
[23:35] <Lns> It seems to have just made it a bit more bearable (but still not acceptable to wait 2-4 minutes for it to launch)
[23:36] <asac> the firefox already running error sounds wierd
[23:36] <asac> but i think i already said that
[23:36] <asac> sounds more like a wierd X11 issue
[23:36] <asac> at least if those are different unix-users with different home directories
[23:38] <asac> Lns: anyway. i would suggest to open a new bug anyway. if its a dupe we can still merge it into another bug
[23:40] <Lns> asac: ok, i'll do that. Yeah, I really thought it was weird too (the error). It really shouldn't be happening, as they are all different users w/different homedirs.
[23:41] <asac> Lns: firefox looks for locks in profile dir
[23:41] <asac> Lns: it also tries to contact a running X window
[23:41] <asac> Lns: so if X desktops are somehow shared this might cause confusion
[23:41] <Lns> asac: yeah, someone mentioned that in an LTSP list - check this out
[23:43] <Lns> asac: http://pastebin.com/m7386054d
[23:46] <asac> Lns: by coincident i looked at that locking code today
[23:46] <Lns> ooo, fresh on the noggin ;)
[23:47] <Lns> any ideas?
[23:47] <Lns> I find it weird that it uses 127.0.0.1, which may or may not conflict with it looking at the server vs. thin-client
[23:47] <Lns> depending on the code I guess
[23:47] <asac> Lns: that symbolic link just allows users of the same profile to obtain a lock
[23:48] <asac> on filesystems that dont have native locking support
[23:48] <asac> Lns: can you look if .parentlock is also a symlink?
[23:48] <Lns> I can see if i can find any on my own system, although i'm not experiencing this problem
[23:49] <Lns> nope - -rw-r--r-- 1 jerickson jerickson        0 2008-09-10 14:28 .parentlock
[23:50] <Lns> lrwxrwxrwx 1 jerickson jerickson       15 2008-09-10 14:28 lock -> 127.0.1.1:+3887
[23:50] <Lns> jerickson@Fibonacci:~/.mozilla/firefox/5rwscmny.default$ file lock
[23:50] <Lns> lock: broken symbolic link to `127.0.1.1:+3887'
[23:50] <asac> Lns: the link means: lock owned by process 3887 on host with IP 127.0.1.1
[23:50] <Lns> asac: oh ok.
[23:51] <asac> as long as users use different home dirs (and thus profiles) this shouldnt cause any issues
[23:51] <Lns> ok. Which they definitely do.
[23:52] <asac> Lns: hmm. maybe that lock file is left over from last run?
[23:52] <Lns> I'm wondering where I can trace the activity when users start up firefox - the "firefox" process isn't descriptive enough.
[23:53] <Lns> asac: possibly.. i can't say for sure since i wasn't troubleshooting it myself, just got word from other techs. They really don't know a whole lot, and 9-13 year old students are the users.
[23:53] <asac> Lns: ok. file the bug, get ogra subscribed who should know about other ltsp installs
[23:53] <Lns> I could sweep all dirs of the locks, but that just seems like a hack, because if even if it happens only when firefox crashes after trying to launch after 2-4 minutes, ...
[23:54] <Lns> ok