[00:06] <lizzie> Currently ubottu can be told to private message someone who is not in the channel.  Why is this?
[00:07] <Seeker`> shouldn't it be able to?
[00:08] <lizzie> I don't think so.  Somebody who doesn't even share a channel with the bot should not have to worry about being annoyed by it.
[00:08] <lizzie> More urgently, does it do anything to prevent factoids to be sent to nickserv, chanserv, etc?
[00:08] <Seeker`> so should someone not in a channel with another user "not have to worry about being annoyed by" them?
[00:09] <lizzie> because an unlucky factoid could cause a security vulnerability, like if any factoids start with "unlink" or something
[00:09] <lizzie> Seeker`: I would argue that PMs from users are different from PMs from bots.
[00:09] <lizzie> Seeker`: A bot is there to help me when I need it.  I see no reason a bot should initiate a conversation.
[00:09] <Seeker`> the bot doesn't automatically PM someone, a user has to tell it to PM someone
[00:10] <stdin> lizzie: it always prefixes the message with "<person> wants you to know, ...". so you know who it's from and it can't do anything with nick/chanserv
[00:10] <lizzie> stdin: good point, I didn't think of that
[00:10]  * lizzie wonders if the nickname "unlink" is in use on freenode
[00:12] <Seeker`> lizzie: what is the problem with "unlink"?
[00:13] <lizzie> Seeker`: sorry, I meant "ungroup"
[00:13] <lizzie> See, someone could log in as "ungroup", and then ask the bot to PM a factoid to nickserv.
[00:13] <lizzie> which would then attempt to drop every word in the factoid as a nickname, possibly including the bot's own name in several factoids.
[00:16] <Myrtti> doesn't it still need a password?
[00:16] <stdin> apparently not
[00:17] <stdin> !fixed > lizzie
[00:18] <Seeker`> group just links additional nicknames to the account
[00:18] <Seeker`> ungroup will drop associated nicknames, but not the original account
[00:19] <lizzie> stdin: er, should have messaged you in this channel
[00:19] <lizzie> stdin: I can still get private messages sent to people who aren't here.
[00:19] <stdin> PMs to another channel are still on, I don't see the point in disabling it (it's a useful feature)
[00:19] <Seeker`> lizzie: telling the bot to send messages to people who aren't in channels is potentially useful
[00:19] <stdin> but it'll surround the nick with < and >
[00:20] <lizzie> stdin: Ah, I see, that does help security then
[00:21] <stdin> we often use '!bot > user' from here when someone in, say #ubuntu, starts speaking to the bot as if it's a person
[00:22] <stdin> it saves channel spam and is a little less embarrassing to the user
[00:31] <mneptok> like someone whispering "you're fat" at the opera.
[00:31]  * mneptok has no idea what that means
[01:11] <lizzie> stdin: I can't imagine how it could possibly not be embarassing :P
[01:11] <lizzie> !bot >lizzie
[01:12]  * lizzie considers PMing people and claiming to be a bot next time they try to hit on me on IRC
[02:01] <mneptok> "365 Ways to Enhacne Your Love Life"
[02:01] <mneptok> nothing says "love life" like acne.
[02:10] <Myrtti> now my cv is almost done
[02:13] <Myrtti> nini kids
[02:22] <jrib> who is this HostMark guy?  He is annoying
[02:23] <jrib> HostMark | I will do don't worry, im here to make sure chat runs
[02:23] <jrib>                      smoothly and nicely :)
[03:17] <elky_work> mneptok: acne scars might be an improvement for some
[04:57] <Flannel> anyone awake with -ot ops?
[04:58] <mneptok> Flannel: aye
[05:04]  * mneptok commutes
[05:04] <mneptok> bbiab
[05:04] <bazhang> :)
[05:09] <Flannel> Alright, anyone else?
[05:37] <nalioth> Flannel: yes?
[05:37]  * nalioth looks at the time stamps and hopes there's still not a problem . . .
[05:38] <Flannel> nalioth: not anymore, nope.
[05:38] <elky_work> looking at the channel would have been useful too
[05:39] <Flannel> elky_work: Hmmm?
[05:42] <elky_work> than looking at the time stamp and hoping someone'd give the green light
[05:44] <nalioth> yeah, i typed before i looked
[06:51] <nalioth> DO NOT WANT
[07:27]  * Madpilot wonders when ubottu replaced nalioth's brain
[07:29] <nalioth> Madpilot:  what are you, kidding? ubottu IS my brain MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[07:30] <Madpilot> must be interesting, having a brain lots of people can edit :)
[07:30] <elky_work> it was more interesting when s/lots of people/everyone/
[08:22] <jussi01> @reload Encyclopedia
[08:22] <jussi01> !info acroread medibuntu
[08:34] <stdin> !info acroread medibuntu | jussi01
[08:36] <jussi01> :D
[10:22] <SlimG> I accidentaly submitted the factoid-request "norsk" to ubot5, please ignore the request, sorry for the inconvenience
[10:24] <jussi01> SlimG: no probs :)
[10:24] <jussi01> SlimG: anything else we can do for you?
[10:26] <SlimG> No, I'm pleased :) thanks jussi01
[10:27] <jussi01> SlimG: could I ask you to please take note of /topic then? :)
[10:28] <jussi01> !idle | SlimG
[10:29] <SlimG> I got to get better at reading topics
[11:08] <SlimG> Is there a system for translating the factoid-bots into ex.: norwegian ?
[11:08] <SlimG> s/factoid-bots/factoid-db/
[11:09] <jussi01> SlimG: usually its done manually - some locos run their own bots.
[11:10] <jussi01> SlimG: the bot source is available if you want to "roll your own"
[11:10] <SlimG> mkay, thanks for your help, again :)
[11:12] <Myrtti> if only supybot would use gettext...
[11:12] <Myrtti> or if there would be a way to translate the messages into gettext format and back
[11:14] <SlimG> If I were to setup a norwegian factoid-bot on #ubuntu-no, Do you provide a server to run the bot on? or do we need to setup the bot on our own server?
[11:15] <Myrtti> you do need to get your own server as ours runs on our personal servers too
[11:16] <SlimG> mkay
[11:22] <Myrtti> jussi01: do you still have Laku&Aleksi&Tuhina -video up in the net?
[11:23] <jussi01> hrm
[11:23] <Myrtti> or should I host it?
[11:23] <Myrtti> I can, if you don't mind
[11:27] <jussi01> Myrtti: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20080628-130935-19062008015.mp4
[11:27] <jussi01> Had to find it again
[11:28] <Myrtti> and I found it too with the logs :-D
[11:29] <jussi01> !botclone > SlimG
[15:21] <soundray> Is something wrong with ubottu? It doesn't seem to respond to /msg
[15:23] <Pici> works for me.
[15:24] <jussi01> !test
[15:24] <Pici> Did you just try a bunch of invalid commands in a row?
[15:28] <Pici> hrm.
[15:28] <Pici> !find vimtutor
[15:30] <jussi01> I should really change that message...
[15:30] <jussi01> lol
[15:30] <Pici> :)
[15:30] <jussi01> @search encyclopedia
[15:30] <jussi01> @config  supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.notfoundmsg
[15:30] <jussi01> hrm
[15:31] <Myrtti> !search vimtutor
[15:31] <Pici> >:(
[15:32] <Pici> oh, wait, thats !search, not !find
[15:32] <jussi01> yeah
[15:32] <jussi01> stdin: any ideas?
[15:33] <jrib> the bot responds to me, stilly doing it soundray?
[15:33] <nalioth> !msgthebot
[15:34] <Myrtti> pft
[15:34] <Myrtti> you're silly bunch
[15:34] <jussi01> oh shaddup you :P
[15:34] <Myrtti> I love you all
[15:34] <jrib> we had two visitors preaching gentoo in #ubuntu today by the way
[15:34] <Myrtti> the more silly you are, the more I love you
[15:41] <soundray> jrib: I was giving it the wrong triggers apparently. It won't respond to either 'source' or 'help', even once the private chat is open.
[15:48] <Myrtti> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/05/10/life-is-not-fair/ ♥
[15:53] <soundray> :)
[15:54] <Myrtti> !en ~= /english/English/
[15:55] <Pici> nooo, they be takin my karot
[15:56] <soundray> Oh, so it's that way round
[15:57] <nalioth> ubottu: ping
[15:57] <nalioth> hmmm
[15:57] <Pici> jrib: I have him in PM. His ident is root, they have that banned.
[15:58] <jrib> ah
[16:01] <soundray> jrib: ubottu factoids for "help" and "source" appear to exist, but they are empty
[16:02] <Myrtti> !help
[16:02] <Myrtti> !source
[16:02] <Myrtti> hm?
[16:03] <jrib> soundray: when I ask ubottu in a pm he gives me supybot responses (maybe because I am registered with ubottu?)
[16:04] <jrib> My source is at http://supybot.com/   for example is what I get for "source"
[16:04] <jrib> soundray: !source   seems to work in a query with him though
[16:04] <Pici> soundray: help is also a supybot command.  Use !help if you mean to invoke the factoid.
[16:06] <Pici> same with !search
[16:11] <soundray> I see, that explains it. Thank you!
[16:15] <nomoa> hi, I changed my connection port to 8001, but I'm still banned from #ubuntu
[16:15] <jrib> nomoa: did you ask the bots to test you?
[16:16] <nomoa> no?
[16:16] <jrib> nomoa: it should tell you how to do so in the wiki page the topic links you to
[16:17] <jrib> or in the actual topic even
[16:17] <nomoa> ah ok, please forgive me... sorry :)
[16:17] <jrib> no problem nomoa
[16:57] <ikonia> done it
[17:02] <soundray> Myrtti: direct personal insults should lead to a kickban in my view
[17:02] <ikonia> soundray: got the eye on him
[17:05] <Myrtti> soundray: not all of the users are knowledgeable in the code of conduct and what's expected of them. it's always a good idea to mediate before kickbanning, which may result into escalating the situation instead of calming it down
[17:06] <ikonia> although it should be noted he's been banned before
[17:06] <Myrtti> true
[17:06] <ikonia> he seems good now
[17:07] <Myrtti> but I prefer to give the users who misbehave enough slack rope to hang themselves, if they feel like it - or to save themselves
[17:07] <ikonia> it was a rude off the cuff comment, just seemed better to see if he was a genuine issue or a slip of the tounge in frustation
[17:32] <Flannel> Always better to kick once in warning before a ban.  Warning shot across the bow, so to speak.
[17:34] <Myrtti> and even better to ask to stop before kicking, in my opinion
[17:36] <ikonia> I asked - he stopped
[17:36]  * Myrtti huggles ikonia 
[17:37]  * ikonia returns to the recording studio
[17:37] <ikonia> laters
[17:38] <ikonia> actually, it's raining, so maybe not
[17:44] <nalioth> society is already breaking down here
[17:46] <nalioth> good manners are the first to go
[17:57] <jussi01> nalioth: society already broke down a long time ago...
[17:57] <stdin> jussi01: to fix !find (file search, not package search) I think it needs a restart :/
[17:58] <jussi01> :/
[17:59] <nalioth> jussi01: no, we're having a hurricane here
[17:59] <nalioth> and the media has society wound up really tight
[18:00] <jussi01> nalioth: ahh, yeah, you are in southern usa iirc
[18:00] <nalioth> jussi01: i am in Houston, Texas.
[18:00] <jussi01> yep
[19:27] <jussi01> !test
[19:28] <Pici> hmm
[19:29] <Pici> I wonder if renaming @search to something may be a good idea.  Or maybe I'm just the only one that searches for stuff on the bot.
[19:29] <Pici> because you dont need to use the prefix in /msg
[19:33] <jussio1> Pici: but if you do use the prefix, then you are fine
[19:33] <Pici> jussio1: yep
[19:33] <Pici> Thats why I said 'I wonder', instead of harshly demanding it.
[19:34] <jussio1> hehe...
[19:34] <jussio1> harsh demands get directed to /dev/null
[19:40] <stdin> Pici: @search is built-in to supybot, so that would be non-trivial
[19:41] <Pici> stdin: as is the rename command
[19:41] <Pici> @help rename
[19:41] <Pici> Or are you saying that its not a command that you can even rename?
[19:42] <stdin> you know, I've never tried ;)
[19:43] <stdin> ok, that actually does work
[19:44]  * stdin give Pici the "Pointing out something which should be obvious to stdin but wasn't for some reason" award :D
[19:44] <Pici> yay
[19:44] <stdin> ubottu: rename Config search csearch
[19:44] <stdin> there we go
[19:44] <Pici> Thanks :)
[19:46] <Pici> PriceChild: I should have asked him those questions before, I guess I assumed too much.
[19:47] <PriceChild> Pici: If I had a penny for all the times "I could have...".
[20:18] <Pici> It may be prudent to keep an eye on Martiini in #ubuntu-devel.  He was muted in #ubuntu the other day for being generally abusive, see the ban on 80-235-33-239-dsl.mus.estpak.ee in the bantracker.  I need to do some deadline stuff for work, otherwise I'd watch myself.
[20:19] <jussi01> someone with access may want to look into #ubuntu+1 Pici?
[20:21] <PriceChild> jussi01: No need for access to do something about it.
[21:19] <jussi01> PriceChild: you are correct of course. :)
[22:08] <PriceChild> ignoring martiini, seeing if he gives up
[22:08] <PriceChild> asked gnea do the same
[22:09]  * PriceChild sighs
[22:09] <PriceChild> he even agreed to it... then gave him more attention
[22:09] <unfo> hi all, could you please kick or ban Martiini from #ubuntu for language
[22:10] <stdin> we are watching, please just ignore him for now
[22:10] <unfo> btw Martiini mentions they "always get banned"... odd... why does a single ban not work?
[22:10] <unfo> stdin: ok
[22:10] <PriceChild> unfo: I don't know if he has been banned for not.
[22:10] <PriceChild> unfo: he was also complaining whilst not being banned.
[22:10] <PriceChild> unfo: he *wanted* to be banned
[22:10] <danbh_family> If I may say so, Gnea can be an arrogant prick
[22:10] <stdin> danbh_family: there's no need for that
[22:11] <danbh_family> well, he uses ubottu to intimidate people, and Martiini was just scared
[22:13] <stdin> scary, ubottu? who knew
[22:14] <unfo> which ubottu factoids are intimidating?
[22:14] <unfo> maybe they should be changed
[22:15] <stdin> I don't think any are, unless anyone can point out the one(s)
[22:15] <stdin> all I saw used was !offtopic
[22:16] <stdin> oh, and !language
[22:19] <PriceChild> accused of using ubottu to intimidate
[22:19] <PriceChild> not necessarily that ubottu is intimidating
[22:26]  * jussi01 cant sleep
[22:27] <stdin> try watching snooker, that always puts me to sleep ;)
[22:27] <PriceChild> jussi01: probably because of the guilt after trying to pretend you're an aussie for so long
[22:27] <jussi01> PriceChild: heheh... Im still an aussie
[22:28] <jussi01> PriceChild: you finished doing what you said you would? :D
[22:29] <PriceChild> If its what I think it is, I'm afraid its still waiting on me I believe.
[22:29] <PriceChild> But I'm almost done.
[22:29] <jussi01> great :)
[22:30] <jussi01> unfo: anything else we can help you with?
[22:33] <jussi01> !idle | unfo
[22:36] <Myrtti> hi folks
[22:36] <Myrtti> anything intresting going on?
[22:39] <jussi01> Myrtti: bed you. :P
[22:39] <Myrtti> am in bed
[22:39] <Myrtti> shuddup
[22:39] <Myrtti> oh oh
[22:39] <Myrtti> damn, now I forgot, no wait
[22:40] <Myrtti> YAY I've got my 770 back!
[22:56] <Mez> w00t
[22:56] <Mez> got my phone back finally.
[22:58] <jdong> haha, Picipod
[22:58] <Myrtti> makes me think of butterflies
[22:58] <Myrtti> and POKEMON!
[22:58] <Picipod> I'm actually on Mibbit. but the nick is on my account
[22:58] <ompaul> Mez, where you been the last couple of weeks
[22:59] <ompaul> Picipod, get back into the factory
[22:59] <Picipod> Yes sir!
[22:59] <ompaul> so you has two identities me seez
[23:00]  * ompaul dances the dance of the bewildered
[23:00] <Picipod> Yeah, I don't feel like downloading puTTY on my Dad's computer
[23:00] <jdong> :)
[23:00] <ompaul> 45k?
[23:00] <Mez> ompual, started a new job - been trying to get back into the swing of working night shifts, been extremely busy, and this is like - the first spare time I've really had (after spending about 3 hours putting all 200 phone numbers back in my phone manually, because samsung PC studio didnt want to import the csv it created.
[23:01] <ompaul> ohh
[23:01] <ompaul> enjoying it?
[23:01] <Mez> Samsung PC Studio?
[23:01] <ompaul> work
[23:02]  * ompaul tickles Mez under chin gotcha
[23:02] <Mez> yes and no. It's the same old shit, but for some reason - this place I actually seem to be able to talk to people.
[23:02] <Mez> Whereas the last time I did this job I'd sit on my break with 4 other people and just get ignored... :(
[23:03] <ompaul> ack
[23:03]  * Mez shrugs. So I'm enjoying it.
[23:04] <Mez> Though... to be fair ... right now - I've just remembered I bought "watchmen" earlier... wanna go and read it
[23:04] <Picipod> Mez: Its quite good, but time flies if you try to read it all in one sitting ;)
[23:05] <ompaul> Mez, enjoy it all
[23:05] <ompaul> cheers
[23:05]  * Myrtti goes back to watch anime
[23:07] <Mez> Picipod, well, I had to buy it, cause it's the new cover version
[23:08] <Mez> I tell you what though - the movie looks amazing ;)
[23:08] <Mez> I'm so going to go see that at the iMax
[23:08] <Mez> ompaul, enjoy it all? work? or watchmen ?
[23:08] <ompaul> all
[23:08] <ompaul> no point in having any of it bad
[23:13] <Myrtti> smells oddly like cocoa butter... hmm
[23:14] <ompaul> TiredWolf, your a howl - after the day I had today this is as bad as it gets :)
[23:14] <ompaul> you're sorry
[23:14] <ompaul> ahhh no I is sorry
[23:14] <ompaul> arrrrrrrr
[23:14]  * ompaul head desks
[23:15] <TiredWolf> Ompaul: the english language is hating you
[23:15] <ompaul> TiredWolf, that and I need about 48 hours sleep :)
[23:16] <Mez> ... per day
[23:16] <ompaul> heh
[23:16] <ompaul> cd /home/time
[23:16] <ompaul> cd day
[23:16] <ompaul> ls
[23:16] <ompaul> hmm
[23:16] <ompaul> cd ..
[23:17] <TiredWolf> can it be any worse than here? I'm in a pub with two people playing droughts, another two tilting an ipod touch for some accelerometer game, and me joining irc
[23:18] <ompaul> bzip2 48hours.bz2 48hours/ ; mv 48hours.bz2 day/.
[23:18] <ompaul> TiredWolf, yes lots, your day seems positively enchanting, real people, not machines
[23:19] <TiredWolf> ompaul: that's stupid. You should put each hour in a separate file, tar them, and then zip the tarball
[23:19] <Picipod> I didn't get to eat lunch today, was trying to test something for a deadline :/
[23:19] <TiredWolf> uhm, except the ipod and the phone i'm using to irc?
[23:20] <TiredWolf> meh
[23:20] <TiredWolf> i talk about ipods...
[23:20] <ompaul> TiredWolf, I has  36hours/ 48hours/ 72hours/ etc all the way for a month
[23:20] <ompaul> rockbox
[23:20]  * ompaul yawns 
[23:20] <Myrtti> TiredWolf: I was just in a pub, two other talking about getting alcohol poisoning
[23:21] <Myrtti> and I was so bored I decided to IRC and left home before midnight
[23:21] <TiredWolf> myrtti: alcohol poisoging, that,s an idea
[23:21] <Myrtti> apparently quite easy one too
[23:22] <Mez> :)
[23:22] <Myrtti> one pint of koskenkorva and some cranberries
[23:22] <ompaul> night
[23:22] <TiredWolf> well that's the worst thing. I can't go home because i came with the metro
[23:22] <TiredWolf> the silly environmentalist that i am
[23:23] <TiredWolf> (not really, i just know what finding parking is like here)
[23:30] <TiredWolf> aha, use mibbit, you locked device user
[23:30] <TiredWolf> i get a real irc client