[10:41] <tjaalton> hmm, seems like it was the mesa update to 7.1 that broke dpms with intel with compiz
[10:41] <tjaalton> rc3 works
[10:42] <tjaalton> doesn't hang when I close the lid or let the screensaver to turn the screen off
[10:54] <tjaalton> sigh, it's git-bisect time..
[10:56] <tjaalton> Ng: can you verify that installing the mesa 7.1rc3 debs fixes it for you?
[10:56] <tjaalton> I have i386 debs around if you need them
[10:59] <Ng> tjaalton: nope, still don't have my laptop back :/
[10:59] <tjaalton> oh ok
[11:00] <tjaalton> well, I'll try to git-bisect this anyway
[11:00] <Ng> and my home machine is having serious issues atm, I'm pretty sure the northbridge is busted beause of the display dropouts, but right now it logs in, you see the desktop for a few seconds and then X dies
[11:00] <Ng> I've not had time to get the latest updates on it or figure out if that's something to do with -2
[11:00] <Ng> I'm pretty sure I'm going to RMA the mobo anyway
[11:01] <Ng> the display dropouts can't be a X4000 driver issue, unless it's confusing the hardware, because I've had it happen in the bios as well
[11:02] <tjaalton> yeah sounds like broken hw
[11:17] <tjaalton> gah, a bit hard to bisect mesa
[11:18] <tjaalton> since the dependencies have changed over time
[16:27] <bryce> morning
[16:28] <tjaalton> hey bryce, did you have problems with the screensaver hanging on intel?
[16:29] <tjaalton> I found the culprit, "sync to vblank by default" on mesa
[16:30] <tjaalton> I've spent most of the day git-bisecting, so no news on the hotkey front :/
[16:30] <bryce> yes
[18:07] <Ng> tjaalton: nice :)
[18:14] <tjaalton> to try the workaround, put http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/drirc in /etc, and restart X
[18:51] <crevette> hey
[21:22] <pwnguin> whats the deal with nvidia in intrepid?
[21:24] <tjaalton> pwnguin: why?
[21:27] <pwnguin> i seem to be missing the kernel module
[21:28] <tjaalton> you need to clean up the dkms build directory, and reconfigure the kernel
[21:28] <tjaalton> /var/lib/dkms/something
[21:37] <pwnguin> what package should i reconfig?
[21:37] <tjaalton> linux-image-foo
[21:39] <pwnguin> well thats strange. ran dkms, but modprobe still fails. is modprobe depricated?
[21:39] <bryce> tseliot: I'm having some trouble downloading from your website; seems to be timing out
[21:40] <tseliot> bryce: what are you trying to download?
[21:40] <bryce> gnome-control-center and gnome-desktop
[21:41] <tseliot> bryce: source or the repo?
[21:41] <bryce> source
[21:41] <tseliot> let me check
[21:42] <bryce> it's the orig.tar.gz files that are failing; I guess I can just snag those from upstream, but let me retry
[21:42] <tjaalton> pwnguin: see bug 261816 for details
[21:43] <bryce> tseliot: ah, third try's the charm
[21:44] <tseliot> bryce: weird, I've just had the same problem
[21:45] <tseliot> bryce: do the patches apply to the latest release of the gnome-control-center?
[21:46] <bryce> gonna check that out
[21:46] <bryce> I imagine they do
[21:46] <tseliot> I hope so
[21:46] <bryce> if not I can fix up
[21:47] <tseliot> right
[21:50] <bryce> oh btw, do the changes in g-c-c depend on the changes in gnome-desktop?
[21:50] <bryce> if so we may have to alter the control file
[21:52] <tseliot> bryce: yes, since g-c-c uses gnome_rr_config.c which is part of gnome-desktop
[21:53] <bryce> alright, I think that will necessitate we up the gnome-desktop version listed in the control file... maybe we should check with seb128 on that
[21:54] <tseliot> yes, that would be necessary as I had to move one function (to compute the virtual resolution) from the capplet to gnome_rr_config.c
[21:54] <seb128> what do you guys want to change?
[21:55] <bryce> seb128: tseliot has some changes to the screen resolution tool to make it work more smoothly
[21:55] <seb128> "smoothly"
[21:55] <tseliot> seb128: so that when you try to set up a multiple screen layout
[21:56] <seb128> we are not going to change the abi in a distribution specific way
[21:56] <tseliot> and the 2 screens don't fit the framebuffer
[21:56] <tseliot> the virtual resolution is modified
[21:56] <seb128> I though that was already the case?
[21:56] <tseliot> the settings are not written to monitor.xml
[21:56] <tseliot> but are put in a temporary xml
[21:57] <tseliot> which gnome-settings-daemon will load on next login
[21:57] <tseliot> after checking the outputs and the virtual resolution
[21:57] <tseliot> seb128: would you like to have a look at the 2 patches?
[21:58] <tseliot> btw I talked to federico1 about this too
[21:58] <seb128> tseliot: not tonight, it's late and I lack sleep from previous days already, but give me the number and I'll have a look tomorrow
[21:58] <seb128> tseliot: federico is not upstream though
[21:58] <seb128> I would like to have patch in the gnome bugzilla before ubuntu
[21:59] <seb128> we discussed it at the desktop team meeting today and the way people commit distro specific changes at the moment doesn't scale and we need to stop doing that
[21:59] <tseliot> seb128: ok, but there's a part of the 1st patch (a simple "if") which tests the existence of xkit
[21:59] <tseliot> I see your point
[22:00] <tseliot> but x-kit has not been adopted by upstream yet
[22:00] <tseliot> upstream being gnome
[22:00] <seb128> every body always has a good reason to do distro changes
[22:00] <seb128> that's faster
[22:00] <federico1> tseliot: btw, søren added some new APIs to gnome-rr in his tree, and I have them in opensuse's package now as well.  If you need extra APIs there, it's doable... the repos are in http://cgit.freedesktop.org/~sandmann/gnome-desktop/ and http://gitorious.org/projects/gnome-desktop/repos/mainline
[22:00] <seb128> that's less work than discussing those upstream, etc
[22:00] <federico1> (also see gnome-settings-daemon in both of those)
[22:00] <seb128> and grrrr at people maintaining changes in random git
[22:01] <federico1> tseliot: btw, I'll need your x-kit really soon... do you have updated URLs for it / repos / etc?
[22:01] <seb128> but that's another topic ;-)
[22:01] <tseliot> federico1: sure, let me find the link
[22:01] <federico1> seb128: grrrr at fucking gnome not using git yet
[22:01] <pwnguin> dont worry, theres bzr playgrounds!
[22:02] <tseliot> federico1: this is the link: https://launchpad.net/xorgparser
[22:02] <seb128> federico1: I don't care about that, fragmentation is not good if it means nobody knows what's going on upstream due to it
[22:02] <federico1> tseliot: next on my to-do list is support the "rotate" hotkey on tablets
[22:02] <tseliot> federico1:  and here's the tarball: https://launchpad.net/xorgparser/+download
[22:02] <seb128> federico1: and git is the suck, I know you love it and try to convert the world to it but that's not everybody's opinion, but let's not start on that now ;-)
[22:03] <tseliot> federico1: it seems interesting (I wish I had a tablet though...)
[22:03] <federico1> seb128: I just asked søren if we should just branch the modules upstream and commit this new stuff to trunk (gnome is frozen right now)... the point is that gnome is making it really hard to do experimental development, and people manage to do it on outside repos
[22:03] <federico1> tseliot: sweet, thanks
[22:03] <federico1> tseliot: and you also have some patches for g-c-c to use the PK helper, I assume?
[22:03] <bryce> tseliot: anyway, aside from the abi stuff the only other comment I have on the patches is that there's some debug print's that could be removed
[22:04] <seb128> federico1: right, we need a proper way to document where those changes are happening then, so people know what is going on and don't duplicate work
[22:04] <tseliot> bryce: right
[22:04] <bryce> tseliot: but those are just cosmetic so no other concerns.  But gnome isn't my area so perhaps for these changes just work directly with seb128 and/or upstream
[22:04] <tseliot> federico1, seb128: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/gnome/final/gcp/106_screen-res-extra-support.patch
[22:05] <federico1> seb128: yeah - that's why I hang out on #fedora-desktop and #ubuntu-x and regularly poke people :)
[22:05] <bryce> tseliot: you had some x-kit changes to upload too iirc?  I'll focus on that
[22:05] <tseliot> federico1, seb128: http://albertomilone.com/ubuntu/gnome/final/gd/100_desired-settings.patch
[22:05] <seb128> tseliot: please attach that to launchpad somewhere, I'll have a look tomorrow
[22:06] <federico1> tseliot: fantastic, thanks :)
[22:06] <tseliot> bryce: thanks a lot but pitti reported 2 problems related to jockey and we worked together to fix a bug in x-kit. And he uploaded the bugfix release for me.
[22:06] <bryce> oh great!
[22:07] <bryce> tseliot: cool, so anything else I can help you with?
[22:07] <bryce> tseliot: sorry it took me so long to get to it... juggling a zillion issues
[22:07] <tseliot> federico1: you will also need the latest release of screen-resolution-extra: https://launchpad.net/screen-resolution-extra
[22:08] <tseliot> which contains the policykit stuff so as to use x-kit with root privileges
[22:08] <bryce> tseliot: do those screen-resolution-extra updates need uploaded?
[22:09] <tseliot> bryce: yes, there's something else I would like to talk to you about. Can we do it in private?
[22:09] <pwnguin> federico1: when and how were you planning the rotate hotkey stuff?
[22:09] <federico1> tseliot: ah, I see, so you have two parts...
[22:09] <bryce> tseliot: sure
[22:09] <tseliot> bryce: not until the 2 patches for gcp and gd are applied. Otherwise what we currently have in ubuntu will stop functioning
[22:09] <federico1> pwnguin: within the next two weeks... no real plans so far, but I'm leaning towards "hotkey_callback() { if (num_outputs == 1 and supports_rotation) rotate()"
[22:09] <federico1> nothing fancy
[22:10] <bryce> tseliot: alright
[22:10] <federico1> pwnguin: i.e. I assume that people with tablets don't actually have an external output; it would get uncomfortable to hold :)
[22:10] <pwnguin> actually
[22:10] <pwnguin> its nice to have a tablet on a podium
[22:10] <pwnguin> hooked up to a projector
[22:11] <pwnguin> theres a couple of bash scripts floating around, but i havent seen anyone figure out the hotkey callback part
[22:11] <federico1> pwnguin: or just rotate the lvds, I guess
[22:12] <federico1> tseliot: now that I remember...
[22:12] <pwnguin> rotate's also handy for my monitor, for reading papers ;)
[22:12] <tseliot> federico1: I'm listening
[22:13] <tseliot> metaphorically speaking
[22:14] <federico1> tseliot: when ssp/bryce/myself were working on this, we had a wiki page to centralize plans/urls/etc
[22:15] <federico1> let me find it
[22:16] <federico1> tseliot: http://live.gnome.org/RandR1.2 - everything there is outdated now, but let's revive it :)
[22:16] <federico1> give me a second to point it to my repo
[22:22] <tseliot> federico1: oh, yes, I think I remember that page
[22:25] <federico1> tseliot: ok, updated 
[22:25] <federico1> tseliot: what's your email?  I'll mail out the URL for this
[22:25] <tseliot> federico1: albertomilone@alice.it
[22:26] <tseliot> or you can have a look at my website: http://albertomilone.com/
[22:31] <federico1> thanks
[22:31] <tseliot> federico1: if you have problems with x-kit or other stuff, just let me know
[22:32] <bryce> heya federico1
[22:32] <federico1> tseliot: thanks!
[22:32] <federico1> bryce: my man
[22:32] <federico1> oh, btw
[22:32] <federico1> bryce: are you still working on inkscape?
[22:33] <bryce> federico1: not actively... X has been all consuming in recent months
[22:33] <bryce> federico1: what's up?
[22:38] <federico1> bryce: oh, ok --- was just going to ask you if you knew of any progress with the bug about inkscape not outputting clipping masks correctly to PDF (there's an unused/new/experimental PDF renderer, but the used/old code doesn't support this, it seems)
[22:38] <federico1> bryce: $some_real_people keep bothering me about that :)
[22:40] <bryce> federico1: have you tried against a recent svn snapshot?  The pdf code got a ton of work over the summer and I hear it's quite a bit better
[22:40] <bryce> however the codebase in general has gotten somewhat more unstable than the last official release
[22:40] <federico1> bryce: oh, that's good to know.  I don't really follow the development; it's just that my friends are using a released version and keep bitching about that
[22:41] <bryce> heh
[22:41] <federico1> "how come no one tested this!  you can't make beautiful artwork without this!"
[22:41] <bryce> ;-)
[22:41] <federico1> "STFU, you hippie designer, and subscribe to this bug"
[22:42] <bryce> the pdf stuff was pretty new in that release and there were still a number of issues.  Any real Inkscape user knows to use nightlies ;-)
[22:42] <bryce> gotta get a new release out... *sigh*
[22:42] <bryce> we talked about doing a 0.46.1 release but I think 0.46.0 burned out the release crew
[22:42] <federico1> inkscape still arouses me every time I think about it... back in the old gimp days, a vector illustration program was pretty holy-grail-ish
[22:43] <bryce> :-)
[22:43] <bryce> yeah it amazes me the advanced functionalities that have been going into it
[22:44]  * pwnguin is still waiting on color profiles ;)
[22:44] <federico1> I miss autocad's snapping-fu
[22:45] <pwnguin> I have a feeling the graphic design department here can't do without ICC
[22:48] <bryce> now that pdf support in there, I think color management is pretty much the top major feature request now
[23:20] <tjaalton> ok, all video drivers uploaded for a rebuilt apart from the proprietary ones, since I don't have the bandwith for them..
[23:20] <tjaalton> *rebuild
[23:22] <torkel> tjaalton: any chance the gnome-screensaver/compiz locking X bug is fixed in the upload?
[23:22] <tjaalton> torkel: no, it's in mesa/drm
[23:23] <torkel> tjaalton: doh. I have been hitting badly with that one lately :-(
[23:23] <tjaalton> then as a workaround, copy http://users.tkk.fi/~tjaalton/dpkg/drirc to /etc and restart your session
[23:25] <torkel> tjaalton: you are my hero (if the workaround works that is... :-)
[23:26] <torkel> I'll notice in the morning
[23:27] <tjaalton> it's pretty quick to find out.. just shorten the time your screensaver/dpms kicks in
[23:28] <torkel> tjaalton: I'm heading for bed (it's past midnight) so I will not restart my session right now
[23:28] <tjaalton> 1sure
[23:28] <tjaalton> -l
[23:28] <torkel> but I will find out in about 7 hours
[23:29] <torkel> tjaalton: should I add your workaround to the bug? (264953)
[23:30] <tjaalton> bug 264953
[23:31] <tjaalton> no, better mark it as a dupe of 262605
[23:31] <tjaalton> and maybe add it there
[23:31] <torkel> sure
[23:31] <tjaalton> I've built a new kernel out of drm-next which should contain the proper fix
[23:32] <tjaalton> will test before I get to bed..
[23:32] <tjaalton> but first synaptics
[23:35] <torkel> tjaalton: both bugs updated
[23:41] <tjaalton> torkel: ok, thanks