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| Eghie | some (edu)buntu developer here? | 17:55 |
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| Eghie | I want to help solving the bugs for hanging applications, although I want to know what information is needed to make the logs usefull | 17:56 |
| Eghie | hanging applications, which is the main problem on LTSP at the moment | 17:57 |
| Eghie | for example, some Gnome applications don't close when the parent is closed | 17:57 |
| HedgeMage | Eghie: it's a Friday, hard to find people on the weekends -- you may have better luck during the week, or using the mailing list | 17:58 |
| Eghie | ah | 17:58 |
| Eghie | ok | 17:58 |
| Eghie | well, I tried to send a mail to the edubuntu list, but it seems it was needed to moderate it, but it was never posted on the list | 17:58 |
| Eghie | so that's why i ask here | 17:59 |
| HedgeMage | ahh, once the moderators check their queues, I'm sure it will be posted | 17:59 |
| HedgeMage | Otherwise, try here monday :) | 17:59 |
| Eghie | hehe, ok | 18:00 |
| Eghie | well, I wanted it to be on the list at this very moment, because people could see some debugging tools I posted with, so they could report bugs before wednesday, when there is a bugsquashing day | 18:01 |
| HedgeMage | Eghie: then hang out and keep trying -- someone may yet show up :) | 18:09 |
| Eghie | hehe, I just leave it to the moderators | 18:10 |
| Eghie | bug reporting could always be done, so that shouldn't be a problem | 18:10 |
| HedgeMage | ;) | 18:11 |
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| sbalneav | Eghie: Which apps are hanging? | 18:59 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: for example gconf | 18:59 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: when gnome-session gets killed | 19:00 |
| sbalneav | Yup gconf is one that gets left around. | 19:01 |
| sbalneav | Do any stop your users from logging in again? | 19:01 |
| sbalneav | For instance, the gconf gets left around, but it doesn't affect a subsequent login by the same user. | 19:02 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: well, I kill them with a script before they login again | 19:02 |
| sbalneav | Many of the ones that get left around don't actually affect anything. | 19:03 |
| sbalneav | They SHOULD exit, but leaving them is OK | 19:03 |
| sbalneav | I'm more concerned about, say, a paneld that doesn't exit, so that the next time the user logs in, they can't start their panel. | 19:03 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: well I read the edubuntu mailing list, and I saw many of those problems | 19:03 |
| Eghie | I do already have some experience with this, so I wanted to help | 19:04 |
| Eghie | I saw your comments on it, so, I though, well, lets look what we can do | 19:04 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: hmm, I do remind some panel | 19:04 |
| sbalneav | Right. People are making an issue of things that don't exit. While they are a bug, what we want to focus on FIRST is something that actually stops people or affects people from logging back in. | 19:05 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: indeed, gconf did hold up on Ubuntu edgy though | 19:05 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: but, that could be changed now | 19:05 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: gconf had a lock on some files | 19:05 |
| sbalneav | Here at LegalAid, I get gconfd's left around all the time. I just leave them, because they don't seem to hurt anything. When, say, a paneld gets hung, that stops a person from logging back in. | 19:05 |
| sbalneav | I want us to target and triage the important ones FIRST. We'll get to them all eventually, but we need to focus on the ones that actually degrade performance. | 19:06 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: yes I know, it's a matter of priority | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | gvfs is one of the ones that seems to be a current problem. | 19:09 |
| Eghie | yes, I also saw that in the mailinglist, but I do not seem to have that problem for now | 19:09 |
| sbalneav | I've currently got 153 of them running on this box that only supports 4 people :) | 19:10 |
| Eghie | hehe | 19:11 |
| Eghie | also a hanging dcopserver | 19:11 |
| Eghie | ah, not any more | 19:11 |
| Eghie | seems being killed a little late | 19:11 |
| Eghie | I going for a little coffe | 19:12 |
| Eghie | coffee | 19:13 |
| Eghie | being back in 15 minutes i guess | 19:13 |
| Eghie | will be trying laten on, to simulate some crashes on my server to see if some processes block my relogin process | 19:14 |
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| sbalneav | Hmm, well the patch to gvfs that I found and posted on the DebuggingLTSP page seems to have cured some of my gvfs woes | 20:16 |
| sbalneav | built a new package, and now it exits properly on session end. | 20:17 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: can you send me a link to the patches? | 20:19 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: ah, I see already in the bugzilla of gnome | 20:22 |
| Eghie | the: if (subthread_main_loop != NULL) patch | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | I've installed some new packages here, I'll let them run for a couple of days, see if that cures the hanging gvfs | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | Looks like they've already updated it in the upstream gnome svn, so long term it should go away | 20:24 |
| sbalneav | Apparently gconfd doesn't have proper shutdown code in it, but we may be able to (sanely) get around that one with a gconftool-2 --shutdown in a ldm logout script. | 20:25 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: gconfd stays polling, not detecting anything | 20:28 |
| sbalneav | right, but if we send it an explicit shutdown, that may help | 20:29 |
| Petaris | Hi all | 20:29 |
| sbalneav | Hello | 20:29 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: that could help yes | 20:29 |
| Eghie | hello | 20:29 |
| Petaris | I just installed edubuntu 8.04 LTSP and I was wondering what the best way to get xfce was | 20:30 |
| Petaris | should I just go for that package or should I install the kubuntu meta | 20:30 |
| Eghie | Petaris: aptitude install xubuntu-desktop should do some tricks :) | 20:30 |
| Eghie | Petaris: well xubuntu-desktop contains a full xfce desktop | 20:31 |
| Eghie | Petaris: so, if you want that, go for that | 20:31 |
| Petaris | ok | 20:32 |
| Petaris | and I did mean xubuntu not kubuntu | 20:32 |
| Petaris | woops | 20:32 |
| Petaris | :) | 20:32 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: sending a shutdown seems to work | 20:34 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: at least, for me it works, so a logout script doing that could be a workaround for it | 20:35 |
| Petaris | Thanks Eghie | 20:36 |
| Eghie | Petaris: no problem | 20:36 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: saw this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/235698 ? | 20:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 235698 in gvfs "gvfs-fuse-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in pthread_mutex_lock()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:38 |
| Eghie | it's being tested in Intrepid, but not being backported to Hardy yet, I guess | 20:39 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: I just reported a bug for gconf2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf2/+bug/269541 | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269541 in gconf2 "gconfd-2 becomes orphane when parent process crashes" [Undecided,New] | 20:44 |
| Eghie | I couldn't find it on Launchpad | 20:44 |
| Eghie | so maybe by a couple of weeks, it will also be of the past | 20:44 |
| sbalneav | Do you have an orphaned one there right now? | 20:47 |
| sbalneav | can you (as the user) run a gconftool-2 --shutdown, and see if it exits cleanly? | 20:47 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: I did already and it did exit cleanly yes | 20:49 |
| Eghie | I executed the script as the user | 20:51 |
| Eghie | so, it could be usefull in a logout script | 20:51 |
| sbalneav | Perfect. It's a better solution than the "kill " option | 20:52 |
| Eghie | sbalneav: indeed it is | 20:52 |
| Eghie | i hope gvfs would react on it as well, although I don't think it will | 20:52 |
| Lns | Are we talking about orphaned processes after logging out of a TC session? | 20:53 |
| Eghie | Lns: yes | 20:53 |
| sbalneav | If you run into some other ones, put 'em at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP | 20:53 |
| Lns | sbalneav: I can give you a bunch as gnome-watchdog syslogs all of the procs it kills after logout | 20:53 |
| Lns | it seems to be just a few common ones, however | 20:53 |
| sbalneav | You've posted them on the list, I think, right? | 20:54 |
| Lns | Hmmm...not sure if I did. I'll put it on the wiki regardless | 20:54 |
| sbalneav | So far we have potential (proper) solutions for gconfd and gvfd-fuse-daemon | 20:54 |
| sbalneav | sure, throw 'em on the wiki | 20:54 |
| Lns | nice | 20:54 |
| Lns | yeah I know those 2 were common | 20:54 |
| Lns | and bonobo-activation... | 20:54 |
| Eghie | Lns: it would be nice if you could strace them, the processes | 20:54 |
| sbalneav | bonobo-activation-server seems to be another one for me. | 20:55 |
| * Lns hates the panel drawer bug | 20:56 | |
| Eghie | I just putted the gconfd proces on the wiki with the launchpad bug report on it | 20:57 |
| Lns | sbalneav: I have a HUGE file, i guess i'll link to it instead of cluttering up the wiki page | 20:58 |
| Eghie | Lns: could you host the file and link to it via the wiki? | 20:59 |
| Lns | yeah | 20:59 |
| Eghie | that would be great | 20:59 |
| Eghie | I can also host the file if you want | 20:59 |
| Lns | it's cool..i can see my webserver from my desk. ;) | 20:59 |
| Eghie | lol :) | 20:59 |
| * Lns links http://logicalnetworking.net/other/watchdog.txt to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP | 21:04 | |
| Lns | i'll post that to the list too | 21:04 |
| Eghie | ah, my beer is calling | 21:12 |
| Eghie | see you later | 21:12 |
| Lns | haha..priorities! ;) see ya Eghie | 21:13 |
| Eghie | indeed :) | 21:13 |
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