[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: wiki page says kubuntu-devel
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: will fix
[00:01] <Riddell> seele: poke
[00:08] <seele> i'm here i'm here
[00:08] <seele> sorry
[00:08] <Riddell> seele: #ubuntu-meeting
[00:11] <mhb> mmm, a meeting!
[00:11] <mhb> I wonder if old /me is welcome
[00:12] <Riddell> you always are
[00:37] <vorian> apachelogger: pong
[00:45] <apachelogger> vorian: hey, how is the amd64 going?
[00:45] <vorian> pfft
[00:45] <vorian> sucks
[00:45] <vorian> i should have an iso sometime this weekend at the pace i'm going
[01:04] <mhb> ah, I just remembered why I left.
[01:05] <nixternal> mhb: why's that?
[01:06] <mhb> because what you're promoting is not in a spirit of free software at all, it's basically vendor lock-in
[01:06] <nixternal> I am not...I agreed with you on your idea
[01:06] <mhb> mounting is by far older than any KIO slaves there is
[01:07] <nixternal> we have a deadline to reach, and if we can't include a feature in that deadline, it doesn't get included
[01:07] <nixternal> but that doesn't mean we don't want to include it
[01:07] <mhb> blindly promoting anything with K in its title will never go too far
[01:08] <nixternal> opinion, but OK
[01:08] <goatsocks> isn't that why people use kubuntu? ;)
[01:08] <mhb> they do?
[01:08]  * mhb doesn't
[01:08] <mhb> well, I use Ubuntu with pekwm, and some KDE apps, and I call it Kubuntu out of nostalgia.
[01:10] <mhb> but you go and replace unix with Kunix
[01:11] <goatsocks> uh, you're not using kubuntu, and you're suggesting that people who want the kde stack avoid "K" lock-in?
[01:12] <mhb> my sister, who does use Kubuntu, and doesn't care a bit about KDE, would like to play some GTK games in there
[01:12] <mhb> if you keep doing decisions like this one, it won't be possible
[01:13] <mhb> because a GTK app wouldn't support the game:/ KIO slave or whatever
[01:13] <goatsocks> she should use regular ubuntu then, if she doesn't care for kde... ubuntu is more integrated than the kde stack at present anyhow
[01:14] <nixternal> mhb: in the case of games, there is the gaming zone stuff that both kde and gnome are starting to use
[01:14] <goatsocks> i don't see the point in using something and then wanting it to be less of what it is ;)
[01:14] <nixternal> there are still a lot of things that need to be via open standards or freedesktop
[01:14] <mhb> because of one game, you recommend switching to the other interface. great.
[01:15] <mhb> I really see a similarity between what you're doing and racist segregation
[01:16] <mhb> or sexism, if you want
[01:16] <goatsocks> whoa, hyperbole much?
[01:16] <mhb> this is for the GTK, this is for the KDE, and you dare mix those
[01:16] <mhb> just great
[01:16] <nixternal> how about "this is for the windows" and "this is for the mac"
[01:17] <mhb> nixternal: right, like firefox, or Pidgin.
[01:17] <mhb> wait...
[01:17] <nixternal> it is going to happen no matter what, otherwise we don't have competition let alone coopetition
[01:17] <mhb> no
[01:17] <nixternal> both very bad examples as I totally despise them both
[01:18] <mhb> and you have a logical argument for that, not just your taste, I'm sure.
[01:18] <mhb> I like the idea of KIO slaves, I just hate when you push stupid ideas like that one forward.
[01:18] <nixternal> yes
[01:19] <mhb> I'm sure racism worked, too.
[01:19] <nixternal> stupid --more-- in irssi
[01:19] <mhb> for some
[01:19] <nixternal> it works here, I hate white people
[01:19] <goatsocks> mhb: heh, just get it over with and bring in the nazi card too ;)
[01:19]  * goatsocks puts on his brown shirt and marches to the KDE drums
[01:20] <nixternal> lol
[01:20] <mhb> I don't do that.
[01:20] <mhb> the bad guy is me, Don Quixote.
[01:21] <mhb> fighting against wrong decisions.
[01:21] <goatsocks> because bikeshedding is fun ;)
[01:22] <nixternal> mhb: wrong decisions would be wrong if there wasn't a correct solution...and in many cases, there is yet a correct solution, or someone with the skill and time to create the correct solution
[01:22] <nixternal> some of your ideas, I wish you would ease up on, sit down, and put it to work, as you have many great ideas
[01:22] <nixternal> but I think complaining about a choice w/o helping the cause helps anyone much
[01:22] <nixternal> annoys many, that I do know
[01:24] <mhb> I know.
[01:24] <mhb> But don't worry, I'll give up on that and get back to computer science, where there's no corporate decisions and policies.
[01:24] <mhb> That's why I love it.
[01:25] <nixternal> what do you do when computer science is over and it is back on to corporate decisions and policies?
[01:25] <nixternal> where I work, we have people that have all of those insanely great ideas as you do, but they take it from an idea and make it a reality...that's what you need to do, a breakout moment if you will
[01:26] <goatsocks> nah, he wants an academic career ;)
[01:26] <mhb> thinking about it, at least.
[01:27] <mhb> I really dislike vendor lock-in. Internet Explorer destroyed innovation on the Web for several years just because it came bundled with Windows, then earned a lot of user share, then stopped evolving and everyone had to optimize just for it.
[01:27] <mhb> KIO slaves work like that, too.
[01:28] <mhb> Any non-KDE app that is great won't make it to default Kubuntu just because it doesn't support some KDE-centric technology.
[01:29] <goatsocks> i think you're missing the nature of the linux ecosystem compared to MS stuff... if your distro sucks, grab another distro, or another, or another... if your desktop environment sucks, try another, or another... many choices with linux
[01:29] <nixternal> we are KDE based, as Ubuntu is Gnome based, and every other distro does the same, except for OpenSUSE and Yast :P
[01:29] <mhb> And speaking about using what's done - disabling KIO slaves or moving them to background and just prefer mounting and mountconfig is not something that cannot be done.
[01:30] <mhb> is something that can be done, for people having trouble with my double negative :o)
[01:31] <mhb> I always felt Kubuntu, as a part of the Ubuntu family, should do the most to bring KDE and GNOME technology together, not separate them.
[01:31] <mhb> In a way, decisions like this one undermine my work on unified backends for several Ubuntu apps.
[01:32] <mhb> No wonder I'm agitated.
[01:33] <nixternal> the only gnome technology I want is Tomboy
[01:33] <nixternal> minus the c# crap of course
[01:34] <goatsocks> i was a gnome user for a few years and i finally just weaned myself off of tomboy and found kjots an agreeable replacement
[01:34] <goatsocks> so no mono stack on my system anymore
[01:34] <goatsocks> i tried zim, but man that was even buggier than tomboy
[01:34] <mhb> well, sorry to be a bother.
[01:35] <mhb> enjoy the rest of the meeting.
[01:35] <goatsocks> mhb: you just have novel ideas about kubuntu that don't agree with its actual mission ;)
[01:36] <mhb> goatsocks: I'm sure I must seem to you like a complete stranger that just comes in and complains.
[01:36] <mhb> and I guess that's what I am.
[01:37] <nixternal> complete stranger? nah :P
[01:37] <mhb> Nobody reall cares about what you do.
[01:37] <mhb> Not even here.
[01:38] <mhb> I can't really justify developing anything that nobody even notices.
[01:38] <mhb> Unless it's just for me.
[01:39] <goatsocks> what have you developed that we should notice?
[01:39] <mhb> Nothing.
[01:39] <goatsocks> perhaps that's why we didn't notice? ;)
[01:40] <mhb> I guess you're right.
[01:40] <yuriy> goatsocks: he's developed or worked on several kubuntu utilities
[01:41] <mhb> Well, I tried, but nobody noticed, so I stopped.
[01:41] <mhb> Not even the silly release announcement.
[01:41] <ryanakca> 13:00UTC on Saturday should be good here...
[01:42] <nixternal> works for me ryanakca and apachelogger
[01:42] <goatsocks> mhb: you may be doing it for the wrong reasons then imo... for instance, i'm currently hacking on software-properties-kde not because i'm trying to get noticed or i'm some generous dude, but because the current state of it got under my skin and i decided if i wasn't gonna do something about it nobody would
[01:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: okies, see you then. I've never done any marketing, but I'm willing to help out.
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: even after my pykde4 love? :(
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: it would have probably driven you mad before pykde4 :P
[01:43] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: i'm rather pedantic and tend to see inconsistencies in UIs that escape others ;)
[01:43] <nixternal> ryanakca: you have started with the website, so you are halfway there :)
[01:43] <mhb> goatsocks: I never intended on getting noticed. But getting acknowledged and noticed is something different.
[01:44] <ryanakca> :)
[01:44] <goatsocks> mhb: well i do agree with you that simple acknowledgement is always nice
[01:44] <mhb> especially for the work you do not do for yourself
[01:45] <goatsocks> mhb: so for what it's worth, thanks for your contributions ;)
[01:45] <mhb> yes, like you know them.
[01:45] <goatsocks> i don't, because you haven't told me what they were... yuriy apparently knows
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: I did see some GUI-related low-priority bugs & Wishlists for software-props-kde in LP
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: nitpicky type gui bugs
[01:45] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: yeah the todo list i've compiled has turned out to be rather long
[01:46] <mhb> good night
[01:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca, nixternal: roger
[01:48] <apachelogger> emunkki: 13UTC saturday meeting about kubuntu marketing
[01:51] <seele> Riddell: will s-c-p eventually be turned in to a kcm module?
[01:52] <Riddell> seele: yes that's the plan, when there's a way to do that with pyKDE4
[01:52] <nixternal> OK, I am gonna try and get my girlyfriend to go out and eat with me now...if you need anything, hilight or msg me
[01:52] <seele> Riddell: meaning it can't be yet?
[01:52] <seele> or that it's just more work to do that isnt done yet
[01:52] <Riddell> seele: no, it's on Sime's todo list I believe
[01:54] <Riddell> seele: can't be done yet
[01:54] <seele> NCommander: there is an ubuntu n800 project already but i didnt see porting for hary
[01:54] <NCommander> seele, it targets arm, not armel
[01:54] <NCommander> And arm as a port is dead in Debain
[01:54] <seele> Riddell: hum.. another thing we should look at for jaunty is how much config is outside system settings and what can be easily converted to kcm
[01:55] <JontheEchidna> seele: userconfig, jockey, and printer are the ones off the top of my head
[01:55] <Riddell> seele: say that in #u-m so I pick it up for the minutes :)
[01:56] <seele> i thought you were ending the meeting when irn-bru ran out
[01:58] <Riddell> NCommander: so ubiquity port to KDE
[01:58] <NCommander> yes?
[01:58] <Riddell> NCommander: should be pretty easy to do, QApplication needs changed to KApplication, see any pykde app for an example of a KApplication
[01:58] <Riddell> some examples are in kde4bindings source
[01:58] <NCommander> oh yay, porting 3,000-ish LoC
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> most of it is changing Q to K
[01:59] <Riddell> only very small bits need ported
[01:59] <Riddell> the icons is the other one
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> and rearranging the arguments
[01:59] <NCommander> so search replace Q with K ;-)?
[01:59] <Riddell> use KIcon instead of the current messy loading
[01:59] <Riddell> the rest should be fine as is
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: for example KMessageBox switches title and text arguments
[01:59] <seele> Riddell: are they doing much with ubiquity anymore?  the partitioning ui is still a bit rough
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> KIcon takes icon names rather than absolute paths
[01:59] <Riddell> NCommander: you can also see my talk at UbuntuDeveloperWeek for an example, alas nobody took me up on the idea of turning it into a techbase.kde.org tutorial
[02:00]  * NCommander uses the SOURCE :-)
[02:00] <goatsocks> what's the installer on the current intrepid cd?
[02:00] <apachelogger> oh
[02:00] <apachelogger> uh
[02:00] <apachelogger> you know
[02:00] <apachelogger> the most awesome feature for ubiquity would be a marble widget
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> yus
[02:00] <apachelogger> with zoom
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> yus++
[02:00]  * seele sighs
[02:00]  * NCommander will do the basic port, someone else can add eye candy
[02:00] <Riddell> seele: I don't know of any changes during the intrepid cycle, I should talk to evan and find out
[02:00] <seele> apachelogger: we should fix partitioning before that!
[02:00] <apachelogger> nah
[02:00] <apachelogger> accessibility > usability
[02:01] <seele> but but but it sucks!
[02:01] <apachelogger> I have a couple of visually handicapped firends and they can't use the current map selector
[02:01] <Riddell> marble is a large application apart from anything else, wouldn't fit on the CD
[02:01] <apachelogger> and choosing the time zone in the drop down is a PITA
[02:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we could strip it
[02:01] <apachelogger> more of a target for jaunty anyway
[02:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd volunteer you to do it but I know you won't, it's in python :)
[02:02] <apachelogger> I could port it to C++
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> if KOffice is ready for jaunty, that'd free up some disk space
[02:02]  * apachelogger needs some small project before he can start on khelpcenter :)
[02:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh yes, that's a good point
[02:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, so you'd rewrite d-i ;-)
[02:03] <seele> apachelogger: do you know c++? :)
[02:03] <apachelogger> not as well as ruby
[02:03] <apachelogger> that is the problem really ;-)
[02:05] <NCommander> Riddell, how fast is your Nokia tablet?
[02:07] <NCommander> oh wow, by join kubuntu-members, I'm going to get regular Ubuntu membership?
[02:08] <JontheEchidna> + a nice IRC cloak
[02:08] <NCommander> xubuntu?
[02:08]  * NCommander is shot
[02:09] <NCommander> Bah, I think I need to install the NVIDIA drivers if I want decent performance out of KDE4
[02:10] <coreymon77> NCommander: look at me, all i did was become a kubuntu member and i got all of what i have
[02:10] <coreymon77> i have used kubuntu and have been a part of the kubuntu community much more than ubuntu
[02:11] <NCommander> that's a lot of teams
[02:11] <NCommander> I can shove my blog on Planet Ubuntu ;-)
[02:11] <coreymon77> whats a lot of teams?
[02:11] <NCommander> Ubuntu members, bug control, all the kubuntu teams aside from testers and council
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> me is part of a bunch of teams too
[02:12]  * NCommander has a long list of teams
[02:12] <NCommander> man, ubiquty's bzr repo is HUGE
[02:12]  * apachelogger has a groupie team :P
[02:12] <apachelogger> with 3 groupies
[02:12] <NCommander> apachelogger, link?
[02:12]  * apachelogger needs to buy more groopies
[02:13]  * NCommander should see if someone should make a we-love-ncommander team
[02:13]  * NCommander runs
[02:13] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[02:13] <coreymon77> NCommander: im actually in a relatively small amount of groups
[02:13] <NCommander> WHat is "Kubuntu's Most Experimental Packages"
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> a place for us to dump pre-alpha software packages
[02:14] <NCommander> Should I apply for that team?
[02:14] <coreymon77> how long have you used linux for?
[02:14] <NCommander> Since 2.0 was released
[02:14] <NCommander> (kernel 2.0)
[02:15] <coreymon77> so you realize how unstable linux experimental things usually are
[02:15] <apachelogger> lol
[02:15] <NCommander> coreymon77, I do the alpha packaging for Xfce ;-)
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> currently we have firefox-qt mercurial snapshots
[02:15] <coreymon77> okay
[02:15]  * NCommander is an Xunbtu Developer
[02:15] <NCommander> *Xubuntu even
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> and mozilla-plugin-plasma
[02:16] <apachelogger> should be updated both IMHO
[02:16] <apachelogger> or
[02:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did actually anything change in firefox-qt
[02:16] <coreymon77> its true though, even betas when it comes to linux are usually really beta
[02:16] <apachelogger> someone said the development stopped pretty much
[02:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I haven't been following it. It became harder to follow after it was merged
[02:16] <NCommander> apachelogger, your groupee team needs an icon
[02:17]  * apachelogger is wondering to do about that
[02:17] <NCommander> wow, I've been using Launchpad for over a year
[02:18] <NCommander> brb
[02:25] <mcasadevall> Now that I've installed the NVIDIA garbage, my system feels speeder
[02:29] <blizzz> erm... how to convert a QString into a python string?
[02:30] <blizzz> urgs
[02:30] <NCommande> bah
[02:31] <blizzz> shouldn't use str as variable name^^
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: I think it'd be something like str(yourQString.gettext())
[02:34] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: it works with str(qstringthing), my mistake was to have a temp variable called str some lines before
[02:34] <JontheEchidna> cool
[02:34] <blizzz> that explained the irritating error message as well :D
[02:34] <blizzz> -ed +s
[02:35] <JontheEchidna> whatcha workin' on?
[02:36] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: something like a soccer ticker. i am parsing a website for this
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> kool
[02:36] <JontheEchidna> hopefully python plasmoid bindings will appear soon
[02:37] <blizzz> actually there is a working version, but since this was my very beginning with python and qt and pykde. i am rewriting it
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> you could make a plasmoid out of it easy
[02:37] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: there is now, if you count superkaramba ;)
[02:37] <blizzz> JontheEchidna: yeah i am desperately waiting for the bindings :)
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> hi jjesse
[02:40] <jjesse> hello JontheEchidna
[02:51] <jjesse> so how is the wonderful world of kubutnu today?
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> good
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> the meeting went well
[02:55] <jjesse> bummer that i missed it
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> ya, hopefully the Minutes Fairy will get the minutes up soon
[02:56] <jjesse> hopefuly
[02:56] <jjesse> i ate way too much at dinner tonight
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: so what's going to happen with desktop-effects-kde in Intrepid?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> Looking at the bugs it seems that it needs a ton of work to be usable at all in Intrepid
[02:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remove kicker-compiz from intrepid
[02:57] <jjesse> are the bugs in launchpad?
[02:57] <JontheEchidna> but we already have an easy-to-use desktop effects setup thingy, and as a bonus it's in systemsettings
[02:58] <jjesse> feisty, gutsy and hardy are the currently supported versions correct?
[02:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: and kicker-taskbar-compiz
[02:58] <vorian> could we hack composite toggle to trigger compiz --replace?
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: dapper is supported for a while too
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> until next year anway
[02:59] <jjesse> ah yeah
[03:14] <jjesse> what is the group "almost kubuntu bugs" in launchpad for?
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> jjesse: It's going to be kubuntu-bugs once we secure the group name
[03:18] <jjesse> oh
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> It will subscribe to all kubuntu-related bugs
[03:18] <jjesse> interesting
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> so you can get all kubuntu bugmail when you join
[03:18] <Lex79> hy guys, looks this please http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload, my first package...
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: The work on your part looks good to me
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> A few issues though
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid reached Feature Freeze the 28th of last month, meaning new packages will have a very hard time getting in
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> but more importantly
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> The author hasn't licensed his code under the GPL, or any license for that matter
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> The author needs to add GPL headers to his .cpp and .h files, as well as include the full text of the GPL in the form of a file called COPYING
[03:25] <JontheEchidna> The packaging looks excellent though. ;-)
[03:26] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: why does it need to be gpl specifically?
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: It doesn't, I suppose
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> any free license debian accepts will do
[03:27] <Lex79> uhm
[03:27] <goatsocks> so basically osi approved
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> but currently, it ain't licensed by anything or even copyrighted by the author
[03:27] <Lex79> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/cpuload?content=86628
[03:27] <Lex79> License: GPL
[03:27] <Lex79> but there isn't in source
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: yes, that's basically the problem. In situations like these it's generally best to notify the author by email
[03:28] <Lex79> ok JontheEchidna
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> btw, thanks for making the rebuild for plasmoid-wifi
[03:28] <goatsocks> i've had that prob with 3 or 4 apps i packaged for other distros and i always got a good response from the authors on licensing
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> ya, generally they respond quite well
[03:30] <goatsocks> nobody wants their code misappropriated ;)
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: btw, apachelogger and vorian will usually do revus if you need them. :-) I would, but I'm not an motu yet
[03:31] <Lex79> ehehe JontheEchidna :)
[03:33] <Lex79> when update automoc4 to 0.9.87? :(
[03:33] <Lex79> some plasmoid needs
[03:36] <JontheEchidna> ugh, why do people keep posting superkaramba themes in the plasma section?
[03:37] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: automoc 0.9.87 is part of KDE 4.2
[03:37] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: uff :(
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> ya :(
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> Heh, looks like Oxygen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntudust.jpg
[03:42] <Lex79> is it gnome?
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, a proposed theme for Intrepid
[03:42] <Lex79> nice :)
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> you know
[03:43] <JontheEchidna> you could probably make KDE4 look very much like Gnome
[03:46] <Lex79> we hope for theme, I don't like gnome and human murrine, I use only kde ehehe :)
[03:51] <jjesse> why do i need a landscape client?
[03:51] <jjesse> i'm not using landscape
[03:52] <jjesse> seems silly
[03:54]  * JontheEchidna just removed that
[03:54] <jjesse> why would it be installed?
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> no clue how that got there
[04:01] <Lex79> guys, GPL in plasmoid-cpuload is in plasmoid-cpuload-0.1/data_engine/cpu_load.cpp and cpu_load.h
[04:02] <Lex79> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/plasmoid-cpuload-0809112050/plasmoid-cpuload-0.1/data_engine/
[04:02] <Lex79> but not here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/plasmoid-cpuload-0809112050/plasmoid-cpuload-0.1/plasmoid/
[04:02] <Lex79> LOL
[04:04] <Lex79> but there isn't COPYNG file, is the same?
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> The COPYING file is a copy of the whole license
[04:05] <JontheEchidna> the .cpp and .h files just need the little bit where they say that the source is licensed with the GPL
[04:06] <Lex79> ah ok... the COPYNG file is needed for the package then?
[04:07] <JontheEchidna> the author needs to include it in the tarball
[04:07] <vorian> hola
[04:08] <Lex79> JontheEchidna, ok thanks and sorry for my bad English ehehe :)
[04:09] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[04:09]  * JontheEchidna uploads a pic of his kde4-gnome emulation
[04:10] <JontheEchidna> http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/kde4gnome.png
[04:11] <vorian> oh my
[04:12] <vorian> he's using a vistaclone pannel
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> just a bit of spacing issues on the top panel
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> the applets seem to take all the space they can get
[04:13] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: your theme is "how to kill oxygen team" ?
[04:13] <vorian> this is your screenshot JontheEchidna?
[04:13] <Lex79> :)
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> yes, I made this in 10 mins or so
[04:14] <vorian> baspheme
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:14]  * vorian scrubbs his eyes
[04:14] <vorian> with lava
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> I did keep a backup of my regular, non-Vista/Gnome desktop
[04:14] <vorian> did you just you use a screenshot for your desktop?
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> nope
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> I added 2 panels, got them down to 24 pixels high
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> then threw widgets in them like they would be in Gnome
[04:15] <vorian> ha
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> This, I believe, demonstrates the power of plasma quite well
[04:15] <vorian> which pannel theme is that?
[04:15] <vorian> tis crazy
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> Arezzo
[04:16] <vorian> it looks like that vista clone for gnome
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> goal was to emulate this oxygen clone: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntudust.jpg
[04:16] <vorian> the bottom pannel give's away the kde-ness of it though
[04:16] <vorian> haha
[04:16] <vorian> nice
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> maybe slim glow would have been a better choice for the panel theme
[04:17] <vorian> those are mac folders
[04:17] <Lex79> this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/multirows+task+manager?content=83177 for panel is nice
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> those look like Oxygen folders too
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> except brown
[04:18] <vorian> yeah, more macish imo
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> yeah, transparent + the angle
[04:18] <vorian> look at the mac-like buttons on ff
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> I think the windeco really looks like Oxygen
[04:18] <JontheEchidna> blended titlebars + the buttons
[04:18] <vorian> yeah
[04:19] <vorian> it's very close
[04:19] <vorian> the top at least
[04:20] <JontheEchidna> it was a fun experiment, but this feels too much like Gnome
[04:20]  * JontheEchidna switches back to his old plasma-appletsrc
[04:29] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: good night, and thanks :)
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> you're welcome :)
[04:30] <Lex79> ;)
[06:25] <yuriy> another kmail bug day on sunday
[06:26] <yuriy> could go well with kdepim being one of the big untriaged things for kubuntu
[06:32] <emunkki> apachelogger, hmmkay
[06:35] <emunkki> apachelogger, which chan?
[07:40] <NCommande> Riddell: ping?
[07:41] <NCommande> seele: you around?
[11:03] <NCommander> Riddell: you around?
[11:03] <Riddell> NCommander: hi
[11:09] <Riddell> apachelo1ger_: I removed kicker-*compiz
[11:10] <Riddell> digikam beta 3 doesn't seem to want to compile
[11:10] <Riddell> gcc just gets stuck at 100% cpu usage for ages
[11:12] <NCommander> Riddell: I've made my first stab at modifying Ubiquty to use kde python vs. qt
[11:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you.
[11:13]  * NCommander is waiting for it to finish building on the liveCD for its first trial run
[11:15] <Riddell> NCommander: you can just edit the kde_ui.py file in place on the live CD to test
[11:15] <NCommander> now you tell me :-P
[11:15] <Riddell> that's the nice thing about python over c++
[11:16] <NCommander> That will make testing and coding somewhat easier however :-)
[11:20] <NCommander> Riddell: my inital attempt appears to have been somewhat successful, the GUI at least comes up now ;_)
[11:23] <Riddell> yay
[11:23] <NCommander> er, nm
[11:23] <NCommander> It was reading from the cached .pyc
[11:23] <Riddell> if you do edit the files in place on the live cd, make sure to copy them to a real disk periodicly
[11:30] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger or Riddell: Any inputs on which modules from kde-guidance need to live on still?
[11:30]  * ScottK-laptop is about to make Guidance displayconfig go away.
[11:30] <NCommander> Yay
[11:31] <NCommander> Riddell: as an aside, any idea when your going to add me to members ;-)
[11:31] <apachelogger> NCommander: not before revu is using shiny oxygen icons :P
[11:31] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: didn't discuss that
[11:31] <apachelogger> but I think someone suggested to keep displayconfig around
[11:32] <gribelu> i just upgraded hardy to intrepid.. everything seems to work fine
[11:32] <gribelu> except kde4 crashes randomly
[11:32] <gribelu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46132/
[11:33] <apachelogger> gribelu: are the desktop effects activated?
[11:33] <apachelogger> gribelu: did you really start kuser?
[11:33] <gribelu> at the time of the last crash they were on but disabled via alt-shift-f12 so i guess we can say they were off :)
[11:33] <gribelu> :)
[11:33] <gribelu> yeah why not?
[11:34] <apachelogger> hm
[11:34] <apachelogger> I hope you didn't add a new user
[11:34] <apachelogger> that would have broken your system completely
[11:34] <gribelu> nah i added a group to a user
[11:34] <apachelogger> ok, that could have worked
[11:34] <gribelu> anyway kuser isn't at fault here.. kde4 crashed a few times today and i didn't use kuser then :)
[11:34] <Riddell> NCommander: oh aye, what's your lp id?
[11:35] <gribelu> good to know that kuser isn't exactly done yet heh
[11:35] <NCommander> Riddell: sonicmctails
[11:35] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: should any of them live?
[11:36]  * apachelogger doesn't think so
[11:36] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: certainly the kconfig intregration won't work
[11:36] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Have mountconfig, userconfig, serviceconfig, wineconfig, etc been replaced?
[11:36] <apachelogger> serviceconfig is broken and useless
[11:36] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[11:36] <apachelogger> mountconfig is useless
[11:36] <apachelogger> userconfig is getting replaced
[11:36] <Githzerai> gribelu: At this stage I think clean install is far better than upgrade, as there will be some mess with home dir config files. I did a clean install of alpha4 and i have a major problems only with kernel, nothing so buggy with kde.
[11:36] <apachelogger> wineconfig got winecfg
[11:36] <ScottK-laptop> Do we have an alternative for mountconfig?
[11:36] <NCommander> Riddell: well, obviously my python-foo sucks since I can't even get a debugger to work in the envrionment
[11:36] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: mountmanager
[11:36] <apachelogger> not installed by default though
[11:37] <ScottK-laptop> Probably ought to fix that.
[11:37] <ScottK-laptop> Is it in Main?
[11:37] <apachelogger> no
[11:37] <apachelogger> and it is not yet ready
[11:37] <gribelu> Githzerai: maybe i will try a clean profile.. even though i already deleted the old .kde and .kde4
[11:37] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: we discussed this at the meeting, Riddell is missing a real usecase and we all kind of dislike the current GUI
[11:37] <apachelogger> gribelu: no!
[11:37] <apachelogger> no no no!
[11:37] <gribelu> no?
[11:38] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: OK.
[11:38] <gribelu> no what?
[11:38] <apachelogger> gribelu: report _all_ issues you have with the migrated profile
[11:38] <Riddell> NCommander: added member, the e-mail will get set up in the next couple of days, you can add your blog to planet now
[11:38] <NCommander> Riddell: sweet :-)
[11:38] <apachelogger> gribelu: if you all just reinstall and go with a clean profile we have no chance to fix the issues for those who don't do a clean installation
[11:38] <ScottK-laptop> And then grubconfig is replaced by kgrubeditor, right?
[11:39] <NCommander> Riddell: anyway, I'm going to pass on porting ubiquity, qemu runs poorly on this machine, and I don't know enough about -qt4/-kde4 to get anywhere
[11:39] <gribelu> apachelogger: after the upgrade i couldn't log into kde4 so used a clean .kde folder .. but i still have the old .kde and .kde4 i could try to see what's up with those too
[11:39] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: we had grubconfig? Though, yeah kgrubeditor replaces it. Fairly good testing reports according to seele.
[11:39] <NCommander> Riddell: I did however commit my first shot at trying to bazaar, but it mostly is just Qt -> KDE API changes, it doesn't appear to work
[11:39] <apachelogger> gribelu: please do
[11:40] <ScottK-laptop> In that case it can all go.
[11:40]  * ScottK-laptop gets to work.
[11:40] <gribelu> apachelogger: so you have no clue about that crash i just got?
[11:40] <gribelu> i will try crashing it some more though
[11:41] <apachelogger> gribelu: turn of desktop effects
[11:41] <apachelogger> check if that fixes the issue
[11:41] <apachelogger> if so we need to blacklist your chipset
[11:41] <gribelu> hmm ok
[11:41] <Riddell> sonicmctails: ok, thanks anyway
[11:41] <gribelu> used to work fine in hardy
[11:41] <apachelogger> gribelu: KDE 4?
[11:42] <gribelu> yes
[11:42] <apachelogger> well, maybe the driver is broken
[11:42] <sonicmctails> sonicmctails: sorry, I could probably do it if I sat down and learned python-kde, but its probably bet left to someone who knows more about it than I do
[11:42] <gribelu> i've been using kde4 since the 4.0 beta
[11:42] <sonicmctails> er, ^- Riddel
[11:42] <NCommander> ok, all grouped
[11:42] <gribelu> apachelogger: same driver.. but maybe the different xorg/kernel stuff are the problem dunno
[11:42] <gribelu> ok effects are off.. i'll see if it crashes again
[11:43] <apachelogger> ubottu: tell me about bug 198178
[11:44] <apachelogger> meh
[11:44] <apachelogger> stdin: that is hardy
[11:44] <apachelogger> you really shouldn't reuse exceptions, they become rancid after some time :P
[11:49] <NCommander> thanks Riddell
[11:49] <NCommander> ANyway, about doing the arm port
[11:52] <NCommander> apachelogger: doing an iphone port will have to wait for Linux to be ported to the iphone, XNU/arm is not open source
[11:52]  * apachelogger seels his iphone on ebay :P
[11:52] <apachelogger> *sells even
[11:54]  * NCommander actually checked out xnu's source to see if the ARM code was there
[11:56] <apachelogger> hm
[11:56] <apachelogger> ScottK is threatening my position in the revu stats
[11:57] <apachelogger> emunkki: in here I guess, we will see.
[12:04] <mcasadevall_> Riddell: how fast is your ARM tablet?
[12:05] <Riddell> mcasadevall_: dunno, how would I look?
[12:05] <gribelu> apachelogger: KDE4 crashed again after we talked (i went to desktop properties...). This is the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/46148/ . Now i can't even login, it crashes http://paste.ubuntu.com/46149/
[12:05] <mcasadevall_> Riddell: well, what model is it?
[12:05] <Riddell> N810
[12:06] <mcasadevall_> CPU 	400 MHz TI OMAP 2420
[12:06] <mcasadevall_> Storage capacity 	256 MB + 2 GB Flash
[12:06] <mcasadevall_> Not bad specs for an ARM box
[12:06] <mcasadevall_> We could turn it into a buildd if you don't use it regularly ;-)
[12:07] <apachelogger> gribelu: try rebooting, and report a bug against X
[12:08] <mcasadevall_> Riddell: http://www.arachnoid.com/linux/nokia/ - heres how you gain root
[12:08] <gribelu> apachelogger: i rebooted .. and "oh" :)
[12:09] <gribelu> so it's not a kde issue?
[12:09] <apachelogger> gribelu: well, it might be some feature of KDE/Qt that triggers the issue, but it is clearly X itself that goes down
[12:09] <apachelogger> XIO:  fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0"
[12:09] <apachelogger>       after 20 requests (8 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[12:13] <gribelu> maybe i should try the nv driver
[12:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: p-ing
[12:22] <gribelu> apachelogger: with the nv driver i'm able to login again .. i guess there may be something wrong with nvidia's driver
[12:22] <apachelogger> gribelu: I think the driver is betaish
[12:22] <apachelogger> last I checked the stable driver didn't work with .27
[12:23] <gribelu> i was using that 177.70 or whatever.. latest one
[12:27] <Githzerai> Kernel 2.6.27 has a major problem with DKMS module build, so no nvidia driver can be installed ATM.
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: p-ong
[13:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 258447
[13:10] <apachelogger> we need to patch :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> konqueror on hardy seems to be using nspluginviewer from kde3
[13:20] <Riddell> gtk-qt-engine may also cause problems
[13:20] <Riddell> we should try and port the patch we have for the kde 3 version
[13:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm pretty sure we don't have nspluginviewer from kde3 in the intrepid archive
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's about hardy only
[13:22] <apachelogger> the plugin directory with nspluginviewer 3 got higher priority than the one with the KDE 4 version
[13:25] <Riddell> bzr-buildpackage dudes, how do I get it to sign the changes file?
[13:26]  * Riddell finally uploads an update-manager where the distUpgrade tool has a reasonable chance of working
[13:32] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Just uploaded guidance-power-manager that uses it's own ixf86misc, so we're done with kde-guidance.  Do you want to unseed it or should I?
[13:32] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone know anything about ichthux development?
[13:32] <ScottK-laptop> They've got kde-guidance in their meta-package.
[13:33] <rgreening> Riddell: Looks like Helmut is still working on KNM on a private SVN repo with commit messages being logged here: http://cia.vc/stats/author/hschaa. Too bad it doesn't appear to be public at this point.
[13:36] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Are you invovled in ichthux development (I see you touched their distro packages last).
[13:36] <txwikinger> ScottK: yes
[13:36] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: ichthux is the last kde-guidance user in the archive and I'd like to see it removed entirely.  Can you help with this.
[13:37] <txwikinger> ok..I can have a look
[13:37] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Thanks.
[13:38] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: pretty likely it is only in there because of it being able to install all of kde
[13:38] <txwikinger> but I will have a closer look
[13:38] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: OK, well KDE4 is not using it.
[13:38] <txwikinger> right
[13:39] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Sooner the better because if there are issues in the KDE4 tools people are using it to work around, the sooner we find out the better.
[13:40] <txwikinger> I will have a look this morning and get back to you
[13:40] <rgreening> Riddell: nm... I think it's the KDE one being logged. My brain ain't awake yet.
[13:40]  * seele yawns
[13:40] <seele> NCommander: i am now
[13:41] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Thanks.
[13:44] <txwikinger> Will KDE3 still be in ichthux?
[13:45] <apachelogger> in what?
[13:45] <txwikinger> wrong question... will KDE3 still be in intrepid ... far too many i's here
[13:46] <apachelogger> kdelibs and selected apps only
[13:47] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: I think it is save to say that ichthux is not using kde-guidance anymore
[13:48] <txwikinger> I am currently taking it out
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: debsign *changes
[13:48] <apachelogger> I think
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: I usually go with --merge -e, give the package a final sanity check and then debuild -S (-sa)
[13:49] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Thanks.
[13:49] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Nevermind, no seed shuffling needed for guidance.
[13:49] <apachelogger> !ichthux
[13:50]  * apachelogger learned something today \o/
[13:52]  * txwikinger is going back to sending out resumes
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: is it still seeded?
[13:52] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: It's not.
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: right
[13:52]  * ScottK-laptop is writing the removal bug now.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: good luck!  I should do that, too.
[13:53] <txwikinger> Thanks Hobbsee
[13:53] <txwikinger> Good luck to you too then :D
[13:55]  * txwikinger wonders why 90% of his junk mail comes via ubuntu.com and kubuntu-de.org
[13:58] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: they don't seem to filter spam from there.
[13:58] <ScottK-laptop> So if it builds on i386 and amd64, it's a win, right?
[13:59] <apachelogger> I'd like to note that gentoo systems are no good for server use
[13:59]  * apachelogger wanders off, compiling svn
[14:02] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Ask \sh about that.
[14:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: Why would it be?
[14:03]  * txwikinger thinks bleeding edge and server is an oxymoron
[14:05] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Well that's kind of why I use Ubuntu Server instead of Debian.  That's my version of server bleeding edge.
[14:06] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: Well.. I am not sure if you can call etch bleeding edge though ;)
[14:06]  * txwikinger misses his compile-server
[14:09] <ScottK-laptop> Well that's what i mean.  I use Ubuntu (derived from Sid) instead of Debian stable to be relatively bleeding edge.
[14:09] <txwikinger> Ah.. now I understand
[14:33] <gribelu> any ideas why ctrl-insert and shift-insert don't work under kde4 in intrepid?
[14:34] <gribelu> i mean they don't copy/paste as they should
[14:37] <gribelu> hmm the numpad Insert works but the normal one doesn't
[14:38] <gribelu> ook i enabled keyboard layouts in System Settings->Regional & Language and now it works .. weird... i could copy paste fine in KDM for example
[14:40] <goatsocks> neat, supposedly this will be kde's new power manager in 4.2: http://drfav.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/introducing-the-darkest-power-of-powerdevil/
[14:41] <apachelogger> we'll see about that
[14:41] <emunkki> phew
[14:41] <apachelogger> last time I tried, it turned off my screen
[14:41] <emunkki> that was fucking close
[14:42] <apachelogger> emunkki: hm?
[14:42] <emunkki> apachelogger, had to get a domain for a client TODAY
[14:42] <apachelogger> Checking out KDE/kdepim to /home/apachelogger/bzr/root/svn/kdepim
[14:42] <emunkki> apachelogger, and the office time was to be ending
[14:42] <emunkki> apachelogger, and previous registeration wasn't succesful
[14:42]  * apachelogger is a supporter of 24/7 office times
[14:43] <emunkki> apachelogger, so we had to take a hosting service and register the domain into their service
[14:43] <emunkki> apachelogger, becuase they can register domains in minutes
[14:43] <emunkki> apachelogger, usually it takes 3 days minimum
[14:43] <emunkki> apachelogger, we'll register as a service provider now, though
[14:44] <apachelogger> sensible
[14:44] <emunkki> yes, but argh
[14:44] <apachelogger> that's argv
[14:44] <apachelogger> :P
[14:44] <emunkki> i would've died
[14:44] <emunkki> or the client would have killed me
[14:44] <emunkki> well, i still have to set up the site which comes to the domain
[14:44] <emunkki> but deadline is tomorrow morning :P
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: do I get a wiki cookie if I get kdepim into neon until sunday?
[14:44] <emunkki> so no hurrying yet
[14:45]  * apachelogger could use a wiki cookie for the wiki.ubuntu.com wiki
[14:45]  * emunkki could "use" some real world cookies
[14:45] <emunkki> chocolate chip ones preferably
[14:45] <apachelogger> emonkey: why would one set a deadline on saturday?
[14:46] <emunkki> apachelogger, she's going to hand out some flyers tomorrow
[14:46] <emunkki> apachelogger, at the very helsinki city centre
[14:46] <apachelogger> pfft
[14:46]  * apachelogger note that the only 2 days for deadlines are thursdays and fridays!
[14:46] <emunkki> apachelogger, she wants the domain to have some content as the site name is printed on the flyers
[14:47] <apachelogger> monday is a no go, because one has to do uber little work to recover from the weekend, tuesday is an actual work day and friday is too close to the weekend
[14:47] <apachelogger> leaves wed and thu for deadline days
[14:47] <emunkki> you just said thu and fri :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> oh
[14:48] <apachelogger> my fault
[14:48] <emunkki> yes, you're faulty
[14:48] <emunkki> how about that tar.gz :P
[14:48] <apachelogger> uh?
[14:48] <apachelogger> oh!
[14:48] <emunkki> photoooos
[14:48] <apachelogger> righto
[14:49] <apachelogger> now if strigi would be working I could search
[14:49] <apachelogger> but instead I will have to investigate in which of the 278 folders in $HOME I put them
[14:49] <emunkki> buahaha
[14:52] <apachelogger> blurry pictures ftw!
[14:52] <apachelogger> ♥ gwenview
[14:54] <emunkki> ha
[15:12] <emonkey> apachelogger, emunkki, aiai always this highlighting :P
[15:12] <apachelogger> there is a bit of a nick clash IMHO :P
[15:14] <emonkey> pfft ... btw apropos PFF I'm going to www.pff08.ch \o/
[15:14] <emonkey> afk
[16:06] <\sh> apachelogger: what?
[16:07] <\sh> damn...I just finished to build all servers....10 dl365 full fledged, 4 dl385...
[16:07]  * \sh 's tired
[16:08] <knome> apachelogger, still a clash?
[16:28] <JontheEchidna> Ha, the Plasma Extenders developer uses Kubuntu
[16:28]  * JontheEchidna noticed adept in his screencast in the commit digest
[16:36] <Riddell> extenders?
[16:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: http://commit-digest.org/issues/2008-09-07/
[16:38]  * goatsocks zooms that page waaaaay out
[16:39] <apachelogger> we need more branding for intrepid
[16:39] <apachelogger> knome: nope
[16:40] <goatsocks> ah yes, extenders are what lancelot uses when you drag a part from the menu to the desktop
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> goatsocks: same concept I think, but different code
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> or at least, backported code
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> Next April fools we should do a Gnome emulation Plasma theme
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> and colorize the wallpaper blue
[16:45] <goatsocks> you're right, ivan calls their code "parts applet"
[16:46] <goatsocks> allowing all plasma apps to take advantage of that ability is a great idea
[16:47] <goatsocks> should make kde4 a very dynamic desktop
[16:48] <goatsocks> should also lead to some funny bug reports when people start dragging and dropping stuff all over the place
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> lol
[16:49]  * goatsocks tries dragging his panel into another panel
[16:49]  * JontheEchidna drags torrent download to his clock
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> hypothetically :P
[16:50] <goatsocks> that should speed up your download
[16:50] <goatsocks> (by making the clock move slower of course)
[16:53] <nixternal> why does System Settings now require a double click in order to open a KCM module? who's window brained idea was this?
[16:53] <jjesse> mine
[16:53] <jjesse> gotta problem with it?
[16:53] <nixternal> and I have single clicked enabled
[16:53] <jjesse> wanta fight
[16:54] <nixternal> figures you would have a window brained idea :P
[16:54] <jjesse> lol
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> actually, single click works for me...
[16:56] <goatsocks> still single click here too
[16:58] <nixternal> not here and I have single clicked installed...this is on hardy by the way, not intrepid
[16:58] <nixternal> and the issue is with me and my other kde croney here :p
[16:58] <nixternal> cronie
[16:58] <nixternal> rather
[16:59] <nixternal> don't make us switch to PCLinuxOS
[16:59] <jjesse> upgrade to intrepid then
[16:59] <nixternal> or openSUSE because they know how to do KDE right!
[16:59] <goatsocks> well, they "do" kde anyhow
[17:00] <nixternal> also, who did a k3b upgrade that doesn't work in hardy too?
[17:00] <nixternal> hope you aren't going for UUC, MOTU, or Core-Dev
[17:00] <goatsocks> heh
[17:00] <jjesse> wow you are angry this morning
[17:00] <nixternal> jjesse: you would be too if all you had was this 2nd class citizen of an OS!!!
[17:00] <nixternal> :P
[17:00] <nixternal> muhahaha, gotcha beeeatches
[17:00] <goatsocks> nixternal: nah that kind of decision rockets one straight into management
[17:00] <jjesse> you mean linux?
[17:00]  * jjesse ducks
[17:00] <nixternal> linux sux
[17:01] <JontheEchidna> !nixternal
[17:01] <nixternal> k3b (1.0.5-1ubuntu4~hardy1) hardy-backports; urgency=low
[17:01] <nixternal>   * Automated backport upload; no source changes.
[17:01] <nixternal>  -- agent 8131 <agent.8131@infotage.net>  Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:59:09 +0100
[17:01] <nixternal> someone find agent 8131 and take him out!
[17:03] <nixternal> hrmm, soname changes in the k3b backport are causing breakage in backports
[17:04] <nixternal> either a) remove the backport, or b) repackage the backport with the proper recommends/replaces
[17:04] <nixternal> I would do it, but I have to sit here at work and act like I am working!
[17:04] <nixternal> :P
[17:07] <nixternal> Riddell: when are we expecting the sponshorship emails for UDS? will I get one after denying one the last 3 years? :)
[17:07] <goatsocks> nobody seems to know why landscape-client is getting pulled in now
[17:08] <goatsocks> someone made kubuntu-desktop depend on it
[17:22] <Riddell> nixternal: sponsorship e-mails?
[17:23] <nixternal> getting sponsored by Canonical for UDS
[17:23] <Riddell> nixternal: have you filled in the form thingy?
[17:24] <nixternal> where is the form?
[17:24] <Riddell> what?  you don't read jono's blog first thing each morning?
[17:25] <nixternal> can't say that I do
[17:39] <seele> nixternal: what do you think we were talking about at the meeting last night?
[17:48] <rgreening> does anyone know approximately the last time knetworkmanager worked? was there a snapshot date/time that it worked when both KNM and NM were in early 0.7 release? Just trying to determine a time to do a diff and see if I can work out the changes in NM so I can bring KNM up to date with it
[17:48] <seele> rgreening: last time i noticed was alpha 4
[17:49] <seele> but i wasnt doing daily updates
[17:49] <Riddell> that was 0.6
[17:49] <Riddell> the PPA in ~network-manager worked
[17:49] <rgreening> which release version?
[17:49] <Riddell> whatever the knetworkmanager version in there is
[17:50] <rgreening> just checking to see if there are multiple releases in it.. 1 sec
[17:51] <rgreening> I spoke with Helmut... seems he 'has no time' at the moment to work on KNM. So, I asked if he had any pointers. awaiting reply
[17:52] <rgreening> Riddell: I see network-manager - 0.7~~svn20080908t183521+eni0-0ubuntu2~nm1 which is too new I believe...
[17:54] <Riddell> what's the knetworkmanager in there?
[17:55] <rgreening> knetworkmanager - 1:0.7svn830754-0ubuntu1\
[17:55] <Riddell> that's the one, don't know if it's kept the n-m that works with it though
[17:56] <rgreening> nope. It would need to be older... just not sure how old though.... If I can get an approx date, I can svn co the rev number and diff against a newer one.. look for the changes in the API in NM
[17:57] <rgreening> hmmm... I just looked on my system. I have a download of svn 20080720. Can't remember if that one worked...
[17:58] <rgreening> lol. thnaks
[18:00] <Riddell> look at the date in knetworkmanager's svn logs for r 830754
[18:00] <Riddell> or even in the changelog for that
[18:04]  * ScottK cheers the status of Bug 269393
[18:10] <rgreening> dropping off to test old KNM NM from 0720... brb...
[18:29] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: kde-guidance has been removed from the archive, so until you do your meta update, it'll be unistallable now.
[18:37] <rgreening> Riddell: well that failed miserably. Downgraded libnm-glib, network-manager and knetworkmanager to the earlier revs 20080720.. dead as a doorknob. Couldn't even get my eth working.
[18:38] <rgreening> maybe I missed another package needing a downgrade... nm-settings kept segfaulting
[18:38] <Riddell> :(
[18:38] <rgreening> I agree
[18:39] <rgreening> so, It could mean nm-applet in Intrepid
[18:42]  * rgreening thinks I may need to dl an earlier Alpha ISO and test it out...
[18:44] <rgreening> Riddell: any other low hanging fruit I can work on while I stumble around KNM as well? Something a little less hoaky :P
[18:46] <Riddell> rgreening: look at turning off flash from using gtk-qt-engine?  I think it's causing problems
[18:46] <Riddell> rgreening: we had a patch in hardy which did that for the qt3 version, but now we have the qt4 version
[18:47] <rgreening> ok. point me to the patch. I'll see what I can do to update for Qt4
[18:47] <Riddell> rgreening: the earlier ISOs have NM 0.6 on it, which is quite old
[18:47] <rgreening> ah. oh well...
[18:48] <rgreening> no need to waste time then
[18:48] <rgreening> lol
[18:48] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-qt-engine
[18:48] <Riddell> grab hardy version
[18:48] <rgreening> kk
[18:48] <Riddell> patch is kubuntu_03_xembed_fix_flashplayer.patch I think
[18:48] <rgreening> looking
[18:49]  * Riddell out canoeing for a bit
[18:49] <jjesse> canoeing?
[18:49] <jjesse> soudns like fun
[18:50] <Riddell> it's not fun, it's serious hard athletics
[18:50] <jjesse> ah
[18:50] <Riddell> only four years until the olympics, got to get in shape
[18:50] <jjesse> wow seriously?
[18:50] <jjesse> that's awesome
[18:50]  * rgreening remembers 4 on the Floor and Mr. Canoe Head
[18:50] <rgreening> Don't get struck by lightening Riddell
[18:51] <Riddell> well, maybe if I drown the rest of the team I'd get in :)
[18:51] <smarter> haha
[18:52] <rgreening> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbRYcdNvvSg
[18:53] <smarter> hmm, firefox is b0rken in intrepid right now?
[18:53] <smarter> it's displaying some scary popup when I start it and don't want to load some pages
[18:54] <smarter> "ASSERT: *** Search: _installLocation: engine has no file!
[18:54] <smarter> you know you've gone too far in removing cli output when you display asserts in popups :P
[18:56] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: I just uploaded the ichthux-meta to my ppa
[18:56] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[18:56] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: If you need sponsorship feel free to ping me.
[18:58] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: ok.. the ichthux-setting package might need to be uploaded too if it has not been done so before
[18:59] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Let me know.
[18:59] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: I will
[19:09] <rgreening> Riddell: I think I have the patch. Where should I send it? e-mail you?
[19:19] <rgreening> Patch: (gtk-qt-engine-kde4-xembed_fix_flashplayer.patch) http://rafb.net/p/mR1YO076.html
[19:20] <rgreening> Riddell: see above paste. That should be the appropriate fix/update for the xembed issue (I believe).
[19:31] <rgreening> Anymore low hanging fuit (patches, etc to update for Intrepid) that I can work on?
[19:33] <rgreening> how can I easily test a patch? Can I use apt to get the source and tell it to add in a patch and then build?
[19:33] <yuriy> rgreening: do you know about harvest?
[19:34] <rgreening> nope
[19:35] <yuriy> rgreening: http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest/
[19:35] <ScottK> yuriy: I've got another bugday idea for you.
[19:35] <rgreening> yuriy: cool
[19:35] <ScottK> yuriy: The kde-guidance package got removed from the archive today.  It has a lot of open bugs, some of which apply to guidance-power-manager.
[19:36] <ScottK> yuriy: It might be good to have a triage effort focused on moving those either to wontfix or to guidance-power-manager.
[19:37] <yuriy> sounds good. I'll see if I can set up somethign for 3.5.10 over the weekend. that's still needed rigth?
[19:37] <ScottK> yuriy: Yes.
[19:37] <ScottK> Great.
[19:59] <Riddell> rgreening: super
[19:59] <Riddell> rgreening: have you tested it?
[20:00] <seele> Riddell: short river?
[20:00] <rgreening> Riddell: I was wondering about the best way to build it? Is there an apt or dpkg command that would allow me to do that and add in the patch?
[20:01]  * seele has tea and -- what else -- zucchini cake
[20:01]  * goatsocks averts his eyes
[20:02] <rgreening> Riddell: failing that, the src uses cmake. what's the correct process to build from src
[20:02] <seele> goatsocks: you have no idea what you're missing!
[20:02] <seele> goatsocks: it *must* be good; i've been eating it for four days now ;)
[20:02] <Riddell> rgreening: in intrepid  apt-get source gtk-qt-engine
[20:02] <Riddell> cd gtk-<tab>
[20:02] <Riddell> debuild
[20:02] <goatsocks> seele: yeah, or you're really strapped for cash ;)
[20:02] <rgreening> k. 1 sec
[20:03] <Riddell> may need to  apt-get source devscripts cdbs build-essential  first
[20:03] <seele> goatsocks: insulting my cooking? them's fightin' words!
[20:03] <Riddell> rgreening: and add the patch to debian/patches  before debuild also debian/patches/series
[20:04] <rgreening> k
[20:12] <rgreening> Riddell: hmm... Build-dependencies for gtk-qt-engine could not be satisfied.
[20:12] <Riddell> rgreening: install them
[20:12] <rgreening> sudo apt-get build-dep gtk-qt-engine
[20:13] <rgreening> that's what I did, and it failed with above.. strange
[20:13] <Riddell> what else does it complain about?
[20:13] <Riddell> or what if you just apt-get install them ?
[20:13] <rgreening> kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libstreamanalyzer-dev (>= 0.5.7) but it is not going to be installed
[20:14] <rgreening> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[20:14] <rgreening>   libstreamanalyzer-dev: Depends: libstreamanalyzer0 (= 0.5.11-1) but 0.5.11-1ubuntu0~hardy0~ppa1 is to be installed
[20:14] <rgreening>                          Depends: libstreams-dev (= 0.5.11-1) but it is not going to be installed
[20:14] <Riddell> you have a hardy PPA there
[20:14] <rgreening> lol.. some broken packages
[20:14] <rgreening> I'll check
[20:14] <Riddell> are you in intrepid?
[20:14] <rgreening> Yes
[20:15] <Riddell> got any PPAs in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[20:16] <rgreening> yep. only one with Hardy ref was winehq. removing for now.
[20:16] <rgreening> trying again...
[20:17] <rgreening> should this have been removed by updates? apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades:       "Ubuntu hardy-security";
[20:20] <Riddell> rgreening: I still have that
[20:20] <Riddell> rgreening: where is that hardy package from?  apt-cache policy libstreamanalyzer0
[20:20] <rgreening> k. 1 sec
[20:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: question for you on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-intrepid-website
[20:21] <rgreening> http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[20:26] <rgreening> weird huh...
[20:28] <Riddell> rgreening: try installing libstreamanalyzer0, see where it actually comes from
[20:28] <rgreening> k
[20:30] <rgreening> Reinstallation of libstreamanalyzer0 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[20:30] <rgreening> so, it appears that it once existed somewhere, but no longer.
[20:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks
[20:34] <rgreening> Riddell: I dl the deb manually and installed with dpkg.. weird
[20:37] <rgreening> Riddell: now we are rockin. Weird how the system was out of sync...
[20:38] <rgreening> Riddell: debuild running now. So, once I have it build and install it, how can I verify it fixes the xembed issue? A specific symptom/test you want me to try?
[20:44] <rgreening> Riddell: installed the deb for updated GTK engine. I don't see any obvious problems...
[20:47] <Riddell> rgreening: flash runs, including right click?
[20:48] <Riddell> rgreening: and right click menu is in ugly GTK style not in oxygen style?
[20:48] <stdin> apachelogger: ping
[20:48]  * Riddell writes https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes/2008-09-11
[20:51] <rgreening> Riddell: yeah. right-click works. flash works (tested on http://www.watchtheguild.com and youtube). and ugly menu to boot.
[20:51] <Riddell> groovy
[20:52] <Riddell> rgreening: so, in your sources,  dch -i  and add a changelog (include the patch name and your name and e-mail)
[20:52] <rgreening> whee
[20:52] <Riddell> debuild -S   for source build
[20:52] <Riddell> cd ..; debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[20:52] <Riddell> send us the debdiff
[21:01] <rgreening> hmmm... shouldn't that add in the patch as well? Maybe I missed a step as I only get the changelog diff (or is that what you intended)
[21:05] <rgreening> Riddell: here's the paste for the diff .. Changelog only? http://rafb.net/p/EWVTYb18.html
[21:06] <rgreening> I assume this is correct for what you want (but prob not)
[21:06] <rgreening> :)
[21:07] <rgreening> I think I better doc all these fun steps in a little reminder doc for later ref :P haha
[21:10] <txwikinger>  ScottK-laptop: Bug #269525
[21:11] <Riddell> rgreening: no it should include the patch too
[21:12] <Riddell> rgreening: make a new directory somewhere, apt-get source gtk-qt-engine and run debdiff again with that old.dsc and youe new .dsc
[21:12] <rgreening> hmm...
[21:12] <rgreening> 1 sec
[21:14] <ScottK> txwikinger: Looking
[21:17] <rgreening> Riddell: try this: http://rafb.net/p/iButt873.html
[21:20] <Riddell> that the one rgreening
[21:20] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: I'm going to change the distro on 1.0ubuntu6 to UNRELEASED because it was never uploaded.  Other than that, I think it's fine.
[21:20] <rgreening> kool
[21:20] <rgreening> :)
[21:20] <Riddell> rgreening: except I don't think I can download it in text from that pastebin
[21:21] <Riddell> rgreening: could you use paste.ubuntu.com ?
[21:21] <rgreening> Riddell: I was used to using Gentoo ebuilds. This is a bit different.. but once you get the hang... no prob :P
[21:21] <rgreening> sure.. 1 sec
[21:22] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: ok.. thanks
[21:22] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46393/
[21:25] <Riddell> rgreening: uploaded!
[21:27] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: Uploaded.  Thank you for taking care of it.
[21:27] <txwikinger> ScottK-laptop: Thanks for your help
[21:27] <ScottK-laptop> txwikinger: No problem.  I'm very glad to see kde-guidance in the rear view mirror.
[21:28] <rgreening> Riddell: all in a days work .. haha
[21:28] <rgreening> thanks
[21:28]  * ScottK-laptop bets he's the only person to have done metapackage uploads for both Ichthux and Ubuntu Muslim Edition.
[21:29] <rgreening> Riddell: now that I have the basics down, got another similar in scope? or a couple, so I can work on over the week-end?
[21:29] <Riddell> rgreening: no thank you.  to complete it you can send the patch to the upstream author and if debian have it packaged add it to bugs.debian.org
[21:30] <rgreening> :)
[21:30] <rgreening> sure thing... so, send them just the patch right?
[21:30] <rgreening> not the entire debdiff for the ubuntu package
[21:30] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[21:30] <rgreening> kk
[21:30] <Riddell> patch, not the debdiff
[21:31] <Riddell> rgreening: something slightly harder but not on the scale of network-manager.  scim-bridge-client-qt4 is the way to get qt 4 talking to scim, but if you install it and start an app without having scim installed it pauses for ages
[21:32] <Riddell> (or did in hardy, I havn't checked since then)
[21:32] <rgreening> so it doesn't dep on scim?
[21:33] <Riddell> rgreening: so it doesn't have an annoying delay during application startup if you don't have scim installed
[21:33] <Riddell> rgreening: possible patch is here http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/check_scim_binary.patch
[21:33] <Riddell> I've no idea if it works
[21:34] <Riddell> beastie is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-kde4-meta/+bug/203334
[21:34] <rgreening> k.
[21:37] <Riddell> rgreening: and if you get that sorted or bored of it, you could try compiling qt jambi on intrepid
[21:37] <Riddell> java bindings for Qt
[21:37] <Riddell> and documenting what needs done (e.g. I suspect it needs phonon plugins in the qt plugins directory not kde) so we can package it
[21:39] <rgreening> k. excellent. This is much more my style. Ha. KNM is major ugly.. though It's really eating at me.
[21:41] <Riddell> it's an important issue that one, our biggest for intrepid currently
[21:45] <smarter> have anybody looked into http://kims-area.com/?q=node/63 ?
[21:52] <rgreening> Riddell: I have submitted the bug report to debian and the Author. So, time to go home. Will work on the other two items above later tonight. Thanks.
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Currently if you launch Adept without admin powers if recommends to use sudo, which can be quite dangerous. I think we should patch Adept to recommend kdesudo be used to launch it instead of sudo.
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> I would be willing to make such a patch
[21:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we don't need to patch it, just talk to mornfall for inclusion in the next version
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: if I understand correctly debian doesn't have kdesudo
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> or a recent version of kdesudo rather
[21:55] <Riddell> then a QFile::exists() might be in order
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> Then that would make a lot of sense
[21:56]  * JontheEchidna goes to bugs.kde.org to file a bugreport
[21:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: also, could we have a meeting (for those who were involved in drafting) to discuss KubuntuIntrepidWebsite? Some of the points are rather vague, it says potential changes (was it ever decided which ones we wanted?), etc.
[21:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: could do, I don't mind who was in the session, probably me, seele, tonio and mhb
[21:57] <Riddell> I'm about to get a train though and I'll be away until tuesday nicht
[21:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies. I'm busy from Wednesday -> Sunday, but any time the week after should do? I'll poke around to see who was involved...
[22:17] <afiestas> Riddell do you know the notify applet? could be nice have it in the next kubuntu since the current knotify popup is not mmm beautiful?
[22:21] <Riddell> afiestas: yes, that would be good
[22:30] <afiestas> is kubuntu intrepid in a hard freeze?
[22:32] <Riddell> feature freeze, exceptions can be made
[22:33] <stdin> is there a general FFe for KDE 4 in intrepid?
[22:34]  * ScottK-laptop notes that 3 of 5 motu-release members (the people that give exceptions for Universe/New packages) are KDE users.
[22:34] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: In Universe we delegated to Riddell to decide.  For Main, he'll have to get someone on the ubuntu-release team to agree to it.
[22:34] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Note that he's on the ubuntu-release team.
[22:34] <afiestas> so, do you think that this (notify-applet) is a good exception?
[22:35] <Riddell> afiestas: if it's bug free :)
[22:35] <Riddell> afiestas: want to package it and let us see
[22:35] <Riddell> ?
[22:35] <nixternal> Riddell: it is a rainy crappy weekend here...so I am down to look at some code if need be
[22:36] <afiestas> I test it in mandriva 2009, when I was resizing my hdd parittions and looks solid
[22:36] <nixternal> just highlight my name with stuff you want me to look at and I will check it when I get home...I am getting ready to leave now
[22:36] <nixternal> leave work that is
[22:36] <afiestas> Riddell I never package anything, sorry :/
[22:36] <stdin> Riddell: do you think I should file a FFe request for kopete-cryptography ?
[22:37] <Riddell> stdin: what does it do?
[22:37] <stdin> adds GPG encryption/signing to messages in kopete
[22:37] <afiestas> Riddell  http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/plasma/applets/notify/ in theory is going to be in trunk in a few days
[22:39] <stdin> bug #268623
[22:39] <Riddell> stdin: if it's a wanted feature, sure
[22:39] <Riddell> afiestas: does it work with KDE 4.1?
[22:40] <afiestas> mmm maybe the mandriva people backport some stuff but in theory yes I guess
[22:41] <afiestas> http://dimsuz.wordpress.com/
[23:01] <stdin> Riddell: please have a look at the package on revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography (I'm not sure what apachelogger meat by his 2nd point for the previous upload)
[23:01] <stdin> I've also filed bug #269600 for the FFe
[23:03] <Riddell> stdin: how come this isn't part of kopete itself?
[23:04] <stdin> I don't know, it's an extragear app
[23:05] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I think he meant you got the version number of the license wrong in debian/copyright.
[23:05] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: ooh, yeah :)
[23:06] <Riddell> someone remind me to get the train to London in a few minutes
[23:06] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Get the train for London in a few minutes.
[23:07] <Riddell> mm, yes, I should do that
[23:07] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Short description should probably mention GPG.  Crytography is pretty broad.
[23:07] <Riddell> stdin: well seems fine at a glance, what do you want from me?
[23:07] <Riddell> and yes s/2.1/1.2/
[23:08] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Does it really build-dep on kdepim or kdepim-dev?
[23:08]  * ScottK-laptop didn't try to build it.
[23:08] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: "OpenPGP plugin for Kopete"? and yes, it really does
[23:08] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[23:09] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I think that's much better.
[23:09] <stdin> Riddell: review and eventual upload is what I want ;)
[23:10] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Do you think this one should go in?
[23:10] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: I'm all for it
[23:10] <ScottK-laptop> Since you get to archive-admin it, you're vote is important.
[23:11] <seele> 18:06 < Riddell> someone remind me to get the train to London in a few minutes
[23:12] <stdin> I've uploaded the changed short description to revu, should show in a few mins
[23:13] <Riddell> so should I upload this?
[23:13] <Riddell> or should I get my train?
[23:13] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Get your train.
[23:13] <Riddell> ok
[23:13] <Riddell> enjoy your weekends
[23:13]  * seele waves.
[23:14] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I gave you a first ack on your FFe.  It takes two.
[23:14]  * ScottK-laptop waves back from the next county over.
[23:15] <stdin> I've waited since 2007-12-15, I can wait a little more :p
[23:15] <ScottK-laptop> If you see norsetto or sistpoty around on #ubuntu-motu flag them down and ask them to approve it.
[23:17] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: You have a build-dep on debhelper 6, but compat is 5.  Compat should match the major version of debhelper required.  Why do you think it needs 6?
[23:17] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: when I updated the dependencies, I just too them from kdelibs5
[23:18] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: It almost certainly doesn't need it.  I suspect 5 is just fine.
[23:18] <ScottK-laptop> In any case, they need to match.
[23:20] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Also, since you have to reroll the .bz2 tarball to .tar.gz please either describe the procedure for making your tarball in debian/copyright or add a get-orig-source rule to debian/rules.
[23:20] <ScottK-laptop> A watch file would be very good too.
[23:20] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: From reading the diff, those are all my comments.
[23:21] <stdin> it has a watch file
[23:21]  * ScottK-laptop looks again.
[23:21] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Right.  Sorry about that.
[23:21] <stdin> :)
[23:21] <stdin> doesn't uupdate take care of the .bz2 -> .gz thing?
[23:22] <ScottK-laptop> Does it?
[23:22]  * ScottK-laptop decides to try it.
[23:22] <stdin> I'm not sure, but I thought it did somehow
[23:25] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: No.  It doesn't.  You have to unpack it and then make your own tarball.
[23:26] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: There's a good get-orig-source how-to in the packaging guide on the wiki.
[23:49] <rgreening> Riddell: hey. Noticed the file bump on gtk-qt-engine. Did I miss something :)
[23:51] <rgreening> Riddell: Oh, and I put the wrong e-mail in the file. It's supposed to be roderick.greening and not rgreening... doh! (my launchpad is~roderick-greening if you can help me correct/merge my blunder)