[00:06] <derdui> Hi, does anybody know if theres also a german version of the kde4 desktop?
[00:07] <twylight> !german
[00:11] <ofv> How to write the Euro symbol with the us-variant keyboard layout?
[00:13] <biggerfisch> how do i get amarok to play mp3 files?
[00:37] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  When my system starts up I see many files open (via kio_file).  Is there a way to figure out which programs are using Kio_file?
[00:37] <mado> oy guys ... hello there+
[00:38] <mado> can you please help me? ... i want to unpack some rar-files but i can not do that ... i use kubuntu-8.04-kde4
[00:38] <Dragnslcr> !rar
[00:38] <mado> sorry ... i meant guys and gals
[00:38] <coreymon77> shouldnt ark do rar files?
[00:39] <mado> Dragnslcr, i've already installed unrar-free and unrar
[00:39] <mado> e.g. when i right click on the file it doesn't give me the option to unpack it
[00:39] <mado> and ark or xarchiver don't work with it
[00:40] <mado> can i try the whole thing in the konsole to see if i get an error-message?
[00:40] <Dragnslcr> I've never used rar, so I can't really help much, other than to suggest using unrar from a shell
[00:40] <[pyro]> mando check the link ubottu linked before
[00:40] <[pyro]> mado*
[00:42] <mado> ha ha!
[00:43] <mado> the konsole says it has a password in it ... funny ... really funny :)
[00:46] <mado> hmm *thinking*
[00:46] <mado> is there a way of breaking the whole thing if one doesn't know the password
[00:47] <mado> because there wasn't anything displayed on the site
[00:48] <mado> uuh!
[00:48] <mado> wait guys and gals ... there is a faq
[00:50] <mado> so guys and gals ... thing is ... the file can be unpacked with "unrar file.rar" :)
[00:50] <mado> sorry -> "unrar e file.rar" :)
[00:50] <mado> but why would someone protect it with a password?
[00:51] <[pyro]> mado: because they wanted only people with the password to access its contents
[00:54] <mado> [pyro], you say this as if i was breaking a rule
[00:55] <mado> :|
[00:55] <coreymon77> mado: the same reason someone would password protect anything else
[00:55] <mado> yeah coreymon77 ... but it's free for everyone to download
[00:56] <coreymon77> mado: so the password should be on the site you downloaded it form
[00:57] <mado> it is coreymon77 ... it is in the faq-section :)
[01:17] <rg535748> I'm trying to install ns2 on my fresh kubuntu install, and the c compiler (gcc) seems to not be able to find /anything/, including stdio.h
[01:18] <rg535748> any ideas?
[01:27] <Kubunto> hello
[01:29] <Kubunto> joder mmg
[01:30] <Schuenemann> hey, is it true one can compile cedega from source?
[01:33] <ToddCypert> I keep getting a "Su returned with an Error" dialog. What the hell does that mean?
[01:42] <ToddCypert> Hello???\
[01:46] <favafro> Schuenemann: it won't be true as cadegamis a commercial app :)
[01:48] <[skysurfer]> /join#linux
[01:52] <bdizzle> hi
[01:53] <bdizzle> is there a way to completely remove wine and the installed programs with it, then replace it with an earlier version of wine?
[01:56] <[pyro]> bdizzle: you can sudo apt-get remove wine
[01:56] <[pyro]> then find a .deb package of a previous version from wineHQ and install that by hand
[01:56] <bdizzle> but when I re-install it, that brings back all the old software installed under wine automatically
[01:56] <[pyro]> you will have to remove that before you remove wine
[01:57] <[pyro]> you should have a .wine dir in your home
[01:57] <[pyro]> check in there :)
[01:59] <jumenta> lol
[02:00] <jumenta> lol
[02:00] <bdizzle> yeah, I did that
[02:00] <bdizzle> um, can I just purge it?
[02:01] <[pyro]> if you dont want to keep anything in there, i guess
[02:01] <[pyro]> i think wine creates that .wine dir when you run it anyways
[02:01] <bdizzle> okay
[02:21] <bdizzle> okay, I had to scan a document using Kooka and need to know where it saves the document, and how to convert it into a .pdf file
[02:21] <bdizzle> I'm thinking of saving it as .eps or .jpeg, but insight would be useful if anyone knows how to go about this
[02:22] <Schuenemann> you have to right click the file and choose to save IIRC
[02:23] <bdizzle> okay, and then to convert to a .pdf from .jpeg?
[02:24] <Schuenemann> hmmm... why is that important anyway?
[02:24] <bdizzle> its a re-imbursement form that I have to send and .jpeg isn't really an acceptable format for this
[02:24] <dr_willis> I recall some people canging pdf to jpg. so they could read them on theor PSP's :)
[02:25] <dr_willis> Ive seen lots of pdf's that are just a collection of jpg's - sort of  missing the main points of pdf i guess... :)
[02:25] <bdizzle> agreed
[02:26] <bdizzle> but when I'm trying to scan it in, I don't see an option on Kooka to automatically scan it as a .pdf
[02:26] <[pyro]> what options does it give you?
[02:28] <bdizzle> .eps was one of the other decent ones. Otherwise .bmp, .pbm, .pcx, .png, .ppm, .rgb, .tga, .xbm, .xpm, .xv, .jp2
[02:29] <Schuenemann> bdizzle, there is tiff2pdf
[02:29] <Schuenemann> http://userstories.blogspot.com/2007/11/convert-image-to-high-quality-pdf-redux.html
[02:32] <nejode> bdizzle: open the .jpeg, .png, etc in Open Office Deaw and then convert it to .pdf
[02:32] <bdizzle> ah, thank you
[02:32] <dr_willis> You could also use the various 'print to pdf' features ive seen
[02:32] <bdizzle> much quicker and less steps
[02:33] <Schuenemann> OO draw does not open the image correctly
[02:33] <Schuenemann> I mean, it inserts the image into a blank page
[02:33] <bdizzle> which seems to work just fine for me
[02:35] <CoJaBo-Eee> What do I need to play video/audio files? Any suggestions?
[02:36] <Schuenemann> !info libxine-extracodecs
[02:36] <retj_> hi all
[02:38] <kudar> i didn't know ubuntu ultimate was with kde
[02:38] <kudar> this is awesome
[02:38] <kudar> installing now
[02:39] <nejode> bdizzle: you can open it in gwenview, then print and select "print to a file (pdf)" from the printer drop-down
[02:39] <bdizzle> ah, okay
[02:39] <nejode> kudar: ubuntu ultimate with KDE???
[02:40] <kudar> i mean...
[02:40] <kudar> the menu structure looks like gnome
[02:40] <kudar> but it sent me to this chat by default
[02:40] <kudar> and it has kopete
[02:41] <kudar> and kpdf
[02:41] <kudar> which i think are kde apps
[02:41] <retj_> hellooo
[02:41] <kudar> konversation
[02:41] <kudar> also
[02:41] <bdizzle> I didn't know there was ubuntu ultimate ...
[02:41] <nejode> ...but it's still gnome, right?
[02:41] <dr_willis> I dont see much point in the ***ultimate :)
[02:41] <bdizzle> is there a ubuntu business, ubuntu home basic, ubuntu home premium?
[02:41] <bdizzle> j/k
[02:41] <kudar> it looks pretty cool
[02:42] <[pyro]> haha
[02:42] <Schuenemann> ubuntu starter edition
[02:42] <kudar> i think it mainly just has a bunch of apps
[02:42] <nejode> Well, it's a DVD full of stuff
[02:42] <dr_willis> kudar,  yep.. bsicially it has tons of stuff preinstalled. which may be good or bad.. depending on your needs.
[02:42] <kudar> unbuntu could be considered linux starter edition
[02:42] <retj_> kind of
[02:42] <kudar> ya, im just checking it out..
[02:43] <retj_> i love kde4
[02:43] <retj_> imin love
[02:43] <kudar> retj
[02:43] <[pyro]> mm i havent played with kde4 yet
[02:43] <kudar> i installed the kubuntu with kde4
[02:43] <kudar> and it doesn't look like it supports anything
[02:43] <[pyro]> reports ive read is that its too unstable
[02:44] <nejode> KDE will run a lot faster if you build fron the mini-iso up
[02:44] <kudar> it looked like it wasn't ready yet
[02:44] <kudar> like... the package manager didn't have firefox even
[02:44] <dr_willis> KDE4 is a work in progress
[02:44] <kudar> i dont know if im just a nub
[02:44] <dr_willis> kudar,  the package maanger for the kde4 cd. uses the same repos as ubuntu does..
[02:44] <dr_willis> so  it may be where you were looking.
[02:44] <kudar> hmm
[02:45] <nejode> I was trying out Intepid alpha5 with KDE 4.1.1 and it was pretty stable
[02:45] <kudar> dangit, 'an attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed'
[02:45] <dr_willis> kde4.1.1 - is Much improved over 4.0 i hear.
[02:45] <dr_willis> Only the text-based installer cds can be used as a repo.
[02:46] <retj_> im using KDE 4.1.1
[02:46] <kudar> i wasn't using the cd...
[02:46] <retj_> in my opinion
[02:46] <kudar> i installed it
[02:46] <kudar> went to package manager and no firefox
[02:46] <retj_> next to gnome is like compring windows xp and mac os leopard
[02:46] <dr_willis> kudar,  then it has cd set up as a repo  - remove the cd repo
[02:46] <kudar> and thunderbird was there but not an option
[02:46] <CoJaBo-Eee> KDE 4.0 is prtty buggy, I upgradd to 4.1 and it works ok.
[02:46] <dr_willis> You will want to do a update/ugrade first thing  on a new install anyway.
[02:47] <kudar> dr willis: what are you referring to?
[02:47] <kudar> ive said a lot
[02:47] <retj_> 4.1.1 ir really stable
[02:47] <dr_willis> kudar,   after a new install, you will want to do a update/upgrade with the package manager tool, then start installing new things.
[02:48] <retj_> i just hate the fact that kubuntu is left out next to ubuntu-gnome
[02:48] <kudar> ya, that was a nub mistake on my part
[02:48] <CoJaBo-Eee> I nd to figur out how to play vidos tho
[02:48] <kudar> vlc media player?
[02:48] <retj_> dragon playr
[02:49] <kudar> retj: you like dragon better than vlc?
[02:49] <LinuxReign> mplayer rulz
[02:49] <retj_> i dont know, i've had a lot of trouble with dvd playback
[02:49] <nejode> how about sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:49] <CoJaBo-Eee> I nd somthing that can play lots of formats, including WMA/WMV.
[02:49] <retj_> so both sucked
[02:49] <retj_> mplayer does the work and so does vlc
[02:49] <kudar> cojabo: i would give vlc a shot
[02:50] <retj_> and kaffeine
[02:50] <LinuxReign> u can install all of that if u dont mind to have a bulk installation
[02:50] <nejode> mplayer and vlc will install almost all the codecs
[02:50] <LinuxReign> mplaye4r
[02:50] <CoJaBo-Eee> I hav usd VLC on Windows bfor, I'll try it.
[02:50] <kudar> wow, i wish my liveCD would eject
[02:51] <kudar> does it not let you eject while your running liveCD?
[02:51] <CoJaBo-Eee> Probably not
[02:51] <kudar> you have to do it right when you restart?
[02:51] <kudar> ok, see you guys in a bit
[02:51] <retj_> have you tried
[02:52] <retj_> lancelot?
[02:52] <coreymon77> umm actually, it forces you to eject the cd when you restart
[02:52] <Schuenemann> I'm using gutsy right now. Is it worth installing Heady or is it better to wait for the next version?
[02:52] <retj_> it depends
[02:52] <retj_> need maximun stability
[02:52] <retj_> use hardy
[02:52] <retj_> like the cutting edge?
[02:52] <retj_> wit 'til intrpid
[02:53] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: upgrade
[02:53] <coreymon77> its worth it
[02:53] <CoJaBo-Eee> Any ida why I suddnly cant typ th lttr thats missing in this sntnc? It workd a minut ago, and it works in txt mod.
[02:53] <Schuenemann> but won't the next version come up in october?
[02:54] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: its usually much easier (and less buggy) to upgrade one version at a time
[02:54] <retj_> yes it wil
[02:54] <retj_> october 30 i gues
[02:54] <dr_willis> CoJaBo-Eee,  often its a 'language' setting, or  similer issue remapping the keys
[02:54] <dr_willis> bye all
[02:54] <coreymon77> skipping a version tends to be a little buggy
[02:54] <Schuenemann> coreymon77, I never upgraded. I always format and install the newer version
[02:54] <coreymon77> and why would you do that?
[02:55] <Schuenemann> I'm a bit paranoid about that (windows' inheritance I think :P)
[02:55]  * coreymon77 slaps Schuenemann across the face
[02:55] <Schuenemann> heh
[02:55] <CoJaBo-Eee> brb, going to tyr logging in again.
[02:55] <Schuenemann> that way I erase all the stupid stuff I did with the current version
[02:56] <coreymon77> stupid stuff?
[02:56] <coreymon77> the only time i ever format and reinstall is when something borks royal
[02:56] <Schuenemann> lol
[02:57] <coreymon77> last time Xorg borked beyond royal
[02:57] <coreymon77> and rather than try to fix it and prob bork it even more
[02:57] <Schuenemann> I probably did something stupid with the modules
[02:57] <Schuenemann> following tutorials
[02:57] <coreymon77> i formatted and started fresh
[02:57] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:58] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: well, if everything is working, apparently you didnt
[02:58] <contrast83> Anyone know how to change the size of text for Java apps, or if this is even possible?
[02:58] <CoJaBo-Eee> Works fin now, that was odd.
[02:59] <CoJaBo-Eee> *fine
[03:00] <mitos> buenas noches a todos amigos   0/
[03:10] <kudar> why is there a root folder within root?
[03:10] <kudar> it has nothing in it
[03:10] <kudar> fresh install
[03:14] <contrast83> kudar: /root is where the root user's settings files, etc. are kept. and there is stuff in it, but its read access is restricted to the root user. ;-)
[03:15] <contrast83> Anyone know how to change the size of text for Java apps, or if this is even possible?
[03:16] <Schuenemann> I don't think it is possible
[03:17] <contrast83> Blah... The downside of doing all your computing on a HTPC. :-\
[03:17] <contrast83> Schuenemann: Thanks anyway.
[03:17] <kudar> is wireless still slow in kubuntu?
[03:17] <kudar> i knew it was last year
[03:17] <kudar> and it seems slow now
[03:18] <kudar> downloading updates at 15kb/s is not fun
[03:18] <contrast83> kudar: I've never had that problem, over the course of two years... What card, and are you using the default driver for it?
[03:19] <CoJaBo-Eee> Wireless is fast for me (when it works)
[03:19] <kudar> intel4965 is the card
[03:20] <contrast83> kudar: If everything else seems as fast as it should be and it's just your updates that are slow, you might check out Synaptic. It has a feature that lets you find the fastest mirror for the repos based on your location.
[03:20] <kudar> intel 4965agn is the card
[03:20] <nickz327> hello
[03:21] <nickz327> i installed ubuntu, then kde over it
[03:21] <nickz327> i installed it then removed it using aptitude
[03:21] <nickz327> however, my boot and shut down screens are still showing up as kubuntu screens
[03:21] <nickz327> any ideas?
[03:21] <nickz327> anyone?
[03:21] <contrast83> nickz327: sudo apt-get autoremove --purge kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:23] <contrast83> pft
[03:26] <contrast83> kudar: What laptop?
[03:26] <mister-tea> ign0ramus did you get my pm thank you?
[03:28] <rellis> Hi all. I have a developer in my group who was getting the "man in the middle attack" warning from openssh because the key changed on our server. He has since removed the offending line from ~/.ssh/known_hosts but for some reason Konqueror still reports the problem.. any idea where this comes from?
[03:29] <kudar> contrast
[03:29] <kudar> thinkpad t61
[03:29] <kudar> one year old
[03:29] <coreymon77> kudar: my wireless is actually quite fast
[03:29] <kudar> im going to guess we have different hardware coreymon
[03:29] <coreymon77> yup
[03:30] <kudar> i actually got rid of linux last year because wireless was so slow
[03:30] <coreymon77> wifi on linux for me is faster than windows
[03:30] <kudar> i mean.. why wouldn't a brand new laptop be supported?
[03:30] <coreymon77> its not the laptop
[03:30] <kudar> unless it is too new of course
[03:30] <coreymon77> its the wifi card
[03:30] <kudar> i got the best wifi card
[03:30] <kudar> i could
[03:30] <coreymon77> still
[03:31] <kudar> ya, i understand
[03:31] <coreymon77> some companies refuse to release open source drivers
[03:31] <kudar> http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi
[03:31] <coreymon77> kudar: what card
[03:31] <kudar> it says any kernal 2.6.24 and up will have my drivers
[03:31] <Schuenemann> coreymon77, some? you mean most :p
[03:31] <coreymon77> true
[03:31] <coreymon77> kudar: just because they have them doesnt mean its any good
[03:32] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: thats why when my wifi card died for the umpteenth time on my desktop, i decided to do some research into what card i should get to replace it
[03:33] <Schuenemann> yeah, I did the same to my video card
[03:33] <coreymon77> turns out its the best wifi card ive ever had
[03:33] <coreymon77> works ootb
[03:33] <Schuenemann> what is it?
[03:33] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: airlink101 awlh 4030
[03:34] <Schuenemann> hmm
[03:34] <Denise> no good?
[03:34] <contrast83> kudar: google for "intel 4965agn slow ubuntu" (no quotes) - it's a known issue with that particular card. There doesn't appear to be a fix yet.
[03:34] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: kudar here has an intel 4395agn...oy!
[03:35] <coreymon77> Denise: no, my card is perfect
[03:35] <coreymon77> Denise: best ive ever owned
[03:35] <Schuenemann> doesn't intel make drivers for linux? I think they do for video cards
[03:35] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: i mean 4965
[03:35] <coreymon77> Schuenemann: they do, but they suck
[03:35] <contrast83> coreymon77: is that a cisco card?
[03:35] <kudar> contrast83: great
[03:35] <coreymon77> contrast83: nope
[03:35] <coreymon77> contrast83: airlink101, its a separate company
[03:36] <coreymon77> contrast83: the chip is atheros though
[03:36] <Denise> ok
[03:36] <contrast83> kudar: Does your laptop have a minipci interface for wireless?
[03:36] <Schuenemann> let me ask a question: if I have 2 GB RAM, how much swap do I need?
[03:36] <coreymon77> get this one
[03:36] <contrast83> Schuenemann: 1gb should be plenty safe
[03:37] <coreymon77> this airlink101 card
[03:37] <coreymon77> works ootb with kubuntu
[03:37] <kudar> contrast83: not sure what minipci interface is
[03:37] <coreymon77> but with windows
[03:37] <coreymon77> it took 6 hours
[03:37] <Schuenemann> alright, thanks
[03:37] <coreymon77> whats wrong with that picture
[03:37] <coreymon77> :P
[03:37] <contrast83> coreymon77: that sounds about right to me.
[03:38] <coreymon77> contrast83: with my experience with wifi before this card, it was always the other way around
[03:38] <contrast83> out of a dozen or so computers where i was setting up wireless, i've only run into issues once or twice, and they were solved within an hour or two. :-D
[03:38] <Denise> ajaxcode
[03:39] <coreymon77> contrast83: all my cards before this were linksys cards
[03:39] <Denise> learning
[03:40] <Denise> or cleaning
[03:40] <contrast83> kudar: if your lappy has a minipci slot (it should tell you if it does in its manual), you should be able to get whatever minipci wifi card is known to work well with linux and pop it in... or just get another external one. sorry, but that's all the advice i can give ya'. :-\
[03:41] <contrast83> although the firmware on a few laptops is locked down so that they'll only work with a very finite number of wireless cards.
[03:41] <coreymon77> contrast83: i had atleast four or 5 of them (each of them died after 4-6 months or so), the last few were rt2500 chips
[03:42] <coreymon77> contrast83: but the first 3 or so were broadcom bmcw cards *shudders*
[03:42] <contrast83> realteks are a pain, esp. with networkmanager
[03:42] <kudar> linux is killing you guys' cards?
[03:42] <coreymon77> contrast83: these were ralink cards
[03:42] <coreymon77> kudar: no, it was a physical defect with the cards
[03:42] <coreymon77> kudar: antena always ended up falling off
[03:42] <kudar> i have a physical defect with my card
[03:42] <Denise> is it right now
[03:43] <kudar> its slow as ****
[03:43] <kudar> im gonna do a speed test real quick
[03:43] <contrast83> real quick, he says
[03:43] <kudar> well, not real quick... you know what i mean
[03:43] <contrast83> hehe, couldn't resist
[03:43] <coreymon77> kudar: what i mean by physical defects is that the actual antenna (including the connector) physically fell off the card
[03:44] <coreymon77> dont blame them though, the antennas were huge and heavy
[03:44] <Denise> cards are hard to see
[03:44] <coreymon77> Denise: im talking about a desktop here
[03:45] <Denise> ajax card
[03:45] <coreymon77> the worst of them were the first few, the ones with the broadcom chips
[03:45] <kudar> what version of flash should i get?? rpm, yum, tar.gz?
[03:46] <coreymon77> this was back before bcm43xx
[03:46] <contrast83> kudar: none of the above
[03:46] <contrast83> kudar: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:46] <coreymon77> i was forced to use ndiswrapper, which was even less reliable than it is now
[03:46] <contrast83> kudar: that'll get your codecs, flash and java.
[03:47] <kudar> 98MB
[03:47] <kudar> christ
[03:48] <coreymon77> contrast83: sorry, my mistake, the worst of them was before we got wifi in my house, back before wifi really existed mainstream, we used HPNA
[03:48] <francisco> Hi all, I'm trying out KDE4 and loving it, but I can't connect to the internet through knetworkmanager. It just sys I have no active devices. Currently, I have to connect via nm-applet. Any clues as to what might be going on?
[03:48] <francisco> *says
[03:48] <Denise> okay for the card
[03:48] <coreymon77> sorry bout that
[03:49] <coreymon77> x11.app isnt 100% stable, konv sometimes crashes
[03:49] <kudar> nothing like downloading packages at 17kb/s
[03:49] <coreymon77> you sure its not your connection
[03:49] <kudar> so frustrating
[03:49] <coreymon77> ?
[03:49] <kudar> positive
[03:50] <kudar> winblows is fast
[03:50] <contrast83> coreymon77: it's a known issue with his card.
[03:50] <coreymon77> oh
[03:50] <coreymon77> kudar: blame the card
[03:50] <contrast83> ndiswrapper doesn't work either.
[03:50] <kudar> after a year... they still haven't found a fix
[03:50] <kudar> i dont think it will happen
[03:50] <coreymon77> contrast83: when DOES ndiswrapper work
[03:50] <coreymon77> kudar: its not easy
[03:50] <contrast83> coreymon77: it's worked swimmingly the two times i've had to use it.
[03:51] <coreymon77> contrast83: last time i had to use it it took me 3 days
[03:51] <contrast83> o_O
[03:51] <kudar> got up to 27kb/s
[03:51] <kudar> flying
[03:51] <coreymon77> this was a few years ago
[03:51] <kudar> now its back to 13
[03:51] <kudar> 10
[03:52] <kudar> 8,929B/s
[03:52] <kudar> LMFAO
[03:52] <contrast83> kudar: have you considered getting a different card?
[03:52] <coreymon77> contrast83: my first linksys cards, the ones with the broadcom chips, this was before bcm43xx made everything easier, took me 3 days to get ndis to work with the darn card
[03:53] <kudar> contrast83: no, not really
[03:53] <kudar> what cards are good for linux?
[03:53] <contrast83> i'm lucky. i never really had to deal with a broadcom card til after bcm43xx came out.
[03:53] <coreymon77> contrast83: 3 days, and that was after i knew what i was doing
[03:53] <coreymon77> contrast83: the first time took longer
[03:54] <contrast83> kudar: coreymon77 and i could tell you which ones we're using, but i doubt that'd be as helpful as a google search. :-)
[03:54] <coreymon77> contrast83: but thats nothing, before wifi we had hpna here
[03:54] <coreymon77> contrast83: that was absolute hell
[03:54] <coreymon77> contrast83: took a week
[03:54] <kudar> im checking lenovo's site to see if my laptop has mini pci
[03:54] <coreymon77> contrast83: a week!
[03:54] <kudar> i dont want ot use an external
[03:55] <contrast83> coreymon77: i'm sorry. lol
[03:55] <staph> hey
[03:55] <coreymon77> contrast83: imagine my joy when linksys switched the cards over to the ralink rt2500 chips
[03:55] <contrast83> kudar: you'll want to make sure the bios isn't locked to only accept a certain type of card.
[03:55] <coreymon77> contrast83: that reduced the setup up to 6-7 hours usually
[03:55] <contrast83> !hi | staph
[03:55] <kudar> i wouldn't know how to begin to figure that OUT
[03:56] <contrast83> kudar: just google your model # and something like "lock firmware wireless" (no quotes).
[03:56] <Denise> I m sick
[03:56] <staph> so how are you all
[03:57] <coreymon77> contrast83: and then imagine my absolute joy with this card, out of the box, no setup whatsoever at all
[03:57] <contrast83> kudar: if it doesn't turn up anything relevant, i'd say you're safe. :-)
[03:57] <staph> i loe this operating sysytem
[03:57] <contrast83> staph: congrats. :-D
[03:57] <coreymon77> contrast83: and then windows decided to get confused by the different drivers and took 6 hours to fix
[03:57] <coreymon77> :P
[03:58] <staph> i think ubuntu wll detect all devices
[03:58] <contrast83> *almost* all devices.
[03:59]  * coreymon77 tries to hold in a laugh, but fails miserably
[03:59] <contrast83> it'll detect a hell of a lot more than windows, out-of-the-box at least.
[03:59] <staph> is this safe i mean shows the ip adresse
[04:00] <Denise> no
[04:00] <staph> ok
[04:00] <coreymon77> youre fine, dont worry
[04:00] <Denise> very dangerous
[04:00] <coreymon77> Denise: stop it
[04:01] <contrast83> lol
[04:01] <coreymon77> staph: dont worry
[04:01] <Denise> u can be stalked
[04:01] <contrast83> as long as you're not running openssh-server and you don't have a weak password, i don't think there's much anyone can do with it.
[04:01] <coreymon77> you see, look what you did
[04:02] <coreymon77> Denise: well youre in the same situation as staph
[04:03] <Denise> yes
[04:03] <coreymon77> out of the 4 of us, im the only one who doesnt have their ip showing
[04:03] <Denise> and how u hide it
[04:03] <coreymon77> but really, nothings gonna happen unless you are really dumb
[04:03] <coreymon77> Denise: magic
[04:03] <coreymon77> im special
[04:04] <Denise> ah member
[04:04] <Denise> u register
[04:04] <coreymon77> registering your nick isnt enough
[04:04] <Denise> what else
[04:04] <coreymon77> once again, im special
[04:04] <Denise> so special
[04:04] <contrast83> hahaha... ok, seriously, c'mon. tell us. :-|
[04:04] <coreymon77> lol, i just got a cloak
[04:05] <Denise> cloack?
[04:05] <coreymon77> yup
[04:06] <Denise> will check that tomorrow
[04:06] <Denise> bye
[04:08] <Denise> cloak?
[04:08] <Denise> is it free?
[04:09] <Agent_bob> !foss
[04:09] <Denise> Google chome
[04:10] <Denise> "hide my IP adresse"
[04:10] <Denise> how u know u can trust them?
[04:11] <Denise> a router is better no?
[04:12] <Denise> well
[04:12] <Denise> I trust you
[04:12] <contrast83> lmao
[04:12] <Denise> this is silly me
[04:13] <Denise> http://www.hide-my-ip-address.com/hideip/sample.aspx
[04:13] <Denise> who is the owner of that company?
[04:14] <coreymon77> no clue
[04:14] <kudar> coremon: you think upgrading my bios could help with slow wireless in linux?
[04:15] <coreymon77> no clue
[04:15] <Denise> ok next steps tomorrow
[04:15] <Denise> bye
[04:15] <kudar> contrast?
[04:18] <contrast> kudar: i dunno. did you see that suggested somewherer?
[04:19] <kudar> no..
[04:19] <kudar> but i was just reading a thread about the issue
[04:19] <kudar> read about 2 pages
[04:19] <kudar> ran into a post i made LAST YEAR
[04:19] <kudar> so frustrating...
[04:20] <kudar> i saw my name and was like... wtf
[04:20] <Denise> ur gonna drive me crazy
[04:22] <Denise> ajaxcode
[04:22] <smm289> im currently using ubuntu as a file/print server, just started messing around with ubuntu.  do you think kubuntu would be better as a file/print server or is it all just cosmetic and personal taste.  I cannot do everything on the CLI I need a GUI.  im a nub
[04:22]  * SkEmO is gone , poof!
[04:22] <Reed_Solomon> i doubt upgrading a bios will help with slow wireless
[04:22] <Reed_Solomon> im pretty sure wireless isn't even referenced in a bios
[04:23] <Reed_Solomon> ive never seen it anyways
[04:23] <Denise> no link really between bios and network
[04:23] <Denise> really not
[04:24] <Denise> but vista needs to be updated
[04:24] <smm289> Kubuntu or Ubuntu or file/print server? or is it just personal preference ?
[04:25] <Denise> Kudar maybe you are better not to read ur posts of last year
[04:25] <kudar> lol
[04:25] <kudar> no kidding
[04:25] <kudar> i cant find any new stuff
[04:26] <Denise> well
[04:26] <Denise> it is ur opinion
[04:26] <Denise> maybe u are not a good searcher
[04:27] <Denise> uyou are probably a one track man
[04:28] <kudar> ok denise
[04:28] <kudar> thanks
[04:28] <Denise> taking written stuff for real things
[04:29] <Denise> or even worst
[04:29] <bill_> Hello all
[04:30] <kudar> 4965 slow linux was a pretty good google search
[04:31] <Denise> if u cant find any new stuff
[04:32] <Denise> it means u never saw anything else than what u already thought
[04:32] <Denise> u are narrow minded
[04:33] <Denise> probably need an update
[04:33] <Denise> or even an upgrade
[04:33] <Denise> plus
[04:33] <kudar> lol
[04:33] <kudar> ok, thanks
[04:34] <Denise> u should consider the fact that ur judgement is biase
[04:34] <kudar> all right
[04:34] <Denise> you saw what you wanted to see
[04:35] <Denise> and influenced the events
[04:35] <Denise> never forget that
[04:36] <kudar> modprobe isn't a command in ubuntu?
[04:37] <kudar> wow
[04:37] <coreymon77> umm, ya it is
[04:37] <contrast> kudar: where are you getting this [patently false] information? :-P
[04:39] <Denise> he keeps files
[04:39] <Denise> for years
[04:39] <contrast83> detailed files
[04:39] <contrast83> hehe
[04:39] <Denise> yeah?
[04:40] <contrast83> i dunno... thought you were quoting t2. :-P
[04:40] <Denise> it works both ways
[04:40] <Denise> u wont make me blush for things u obviously wanted me to do
[04:41] <contrast83> umm... -_~
[04:41] <Denise> so which side is the most clean?
[04:42]  * contrast83 laughs awkwardly.
[04:42] <Denise> I would say the one against the hungry wolfes
[04:43] <kudar> http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi&n=howto-iwlwifi
[04:43] <kudar> im trying that
[04:43] <kudar> i know it wont work
[04:43] <kudar> but whatever
[04:43] <Denise> I think guessing on intelligence is always winner
[04:46] <Denise> good night Mister " i was just reading a thread about the issue"
[04:46] <Denise> you have small issues
[04:46] <mot> question
[04:46] <mot> when i plug in my usb stick kde doesn't automatically recognise it
[04:46] <mot> i can view it if i do fdisk -l
[04:46] <mot> but i can't manually mount, it, it says /dev/sdd1 - no such device
[04:47] <mot> if i open gparted it recognizes it, but if i attempt to format it
[04:47] <mot> it says mkdosfs - /dev/sdd1 no such file or directory
[04:47] <mot> any suggestions?
[04:47] <Denise> format it in windows first
[04:47] <mot> i know i could always do that
[04:47] <mot> i don't want to have to
[04:48] <Denise> and come back in ubuntu
[04:48] <mot> i use kubuntu as my primary distro man, i don't use windows.
[04:48] <Denise> it will recognize the Ntfs
[04:48] <mot> i have the ntfs-3g package installed, it could be recognized already
[04:48] <Denise> u have a usb made for windows
[04:48] <mot> i was explicitly mounting it as that
[04:48] <mot> there's no such thing.
[04:48] <Denise> yes
[04:48] <mot> a usb stick is just a small piece of ssd attached to a usb dongle.
[04:49] <Denise> they are preapare to be formatted by windows
[04:49] <mot> the format of the filesystem is what matters.
[04:49] <Denise> I have one myself who did that
[04:49] <mot> this isn't a new usb stick
[04:49] <Denise> then
[04:49] <Denise> do whatever u want
[04:50] <Denise> to have the dernier mot
[04:50] <mot> dernier?
[04:50] <Denise> oui
[04:50] <Denise> as u cant stand not to have it
[04:50] <mot> what is dernier?
[04:51] <Denise> ggoogle it
[04:51] <mot> fist off, dernier is a french word, not english
[04:51] <Denise> oh
[04:51] <Denise> u sure?
[04:51] <mot> so if you're going to mix english and french, don't tell someone to "google it"
[04:51] <mot> [French : dernier, last, latest + cri, cry.]
[04:51] <Denise> oh
[04:52] <mot> second, if you're implying what i think you're implying, don't be silly.
[04:52] <Denise> cri = amerindians
[04:52] <mot> i've been using linux for years, i just don't feel like having to boot into windows when a low-level format of this dongle ought to word.
[04:52] <mot> amerindians?
[04:52] <Denise> oh
[04:52] <mot> american indians?
[04:52] <Denise> u are a prcious personage
[04:53] <Denise> why wasting time here?
[04:53] <mot> *sigh*
[04:53] <Denise> cher
[04:53] <Denise> I have to sleep
[04:54] <Denise> I am busy "moi"
[04:54] <mot> ...
[04:54] <Denise> good night
[04:54] <Denise> chatholic
[04:58] <alisson> lol
[04:58] <kudar> what is uname command to find kernal version?
[04:59] <kudar> uname -r
[04:59] <alisson> Oo
[05:01] <kudar> 2.6.24-21-generic
[05:01] <mot> 2.6.24-19-generic
[05:01] <kudar> how new is that?
[05:01] <mot> newer than mine :P
[05:01] <mot> (very new - i'm using kubuntu 8.04.1)
[05:01] <kudar> that was weird that we said that at the same time
[05:28] <navetz> how do you completly remove and reinstall firefox 3.
[05:37] <favro> navetz: sudo apt-get --purge remove firefox
[05:37] <favro> sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:38] <favro> and delete ~/.mozilla before installing again
[05:38] <favro> navetz: ^^
[05:41] <westy> hey what chat prog uses myspace plugin?
[05:47] <word> i'm not sure my f12 key is working..is there a command i can run to see if the key is sending anything to the OS?
[05:51] <Agent_bob> openvt -sfc 12         and press alt+f1   then alt+f12    if it switches to a login prompt and then to the newly opened console it's working     alt+f7 back to your xorg session
[06:04] <frybye> I have a kopete question (nowone responding in #kopete -) with a yahoo messenger ID - masses of unauthorized contacts show up - how to get rid of them/stop them arriving??
[06:18] <word> Agent_bob: Thanks, it works, i guess yakuake shortcuts got messed up in an update or something
[06:18] <Agent_bob> word it's configurable
[06:20] <word> yah i went to system settings->keyboard and mouse-> shortcuts -> system settings shortcuts -> yakuake hide/close -> and set it to f12 but it still isn't working right, and normally when you start yakuake it says 'started press f12 to use' but now it just says 'started press to use' so i think it got misconfigured in the package somehow :-/
[06:20] <Agent_bob> no in yekuake it's configurable
[06:22] <word> Agent_bob: ah, that did it, got it working. Thanks :D
[06:27]  * mr---t- waves to frybye nite bob
[06:38] <Agent_bob> time for lunch.   be back when.
[06:45] <master_> What package do I need to install to get kernel headers?
[06:49] <favro> master_: linux-headers-   to match your kernel number - uname -r  to find out that
[06:50] <master_> Yep.. just found that.. and also discovered its already installed.  I am trying to instal vmware server which needs kernel headers to make its module work.
[06:50] <[pyro]> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-'uname -r'
[06:50] <[pyro]> ah
[06:51] <favro> just did the same thing with virtualbox - linux-headers was all it needs
[06:51] <[pyro]> master_: have you seen virtualbox ose ?
[06:54] <Alex2> hey guys... I have a little problem... I cant type "ç" when a try to do it I get ć... so can somebody help me out here?
[06:55] <master_> [pyro]: Yes.. VMware Workstation is just more mature..   In this case, I am using VMware Server mainly for better network integration.
[06:55] <[pyro]> kk
[06:56] <master_> The snapshot trees in VMware Workstation and VirtualBox are tempting, though.. As VMware Server only allows one snapshot at a time.
[06:57] <rideick> please somebody help me... I really need help for this...
[07:01] <[pyro]> ...
[07:02] <SkEmO> .....
[07:09] <[pyro]> rideick:  please somebody help me... I really need help for this...
[07:09] <[pyro]> and then he didnt say anything..
[07:09] <[pyro]> *shrugs*
[07:11] <jumpkick> argh kde4 is shit
[07:11] <jumpkick> taskbar crashes as soon as it starts
[07:12] <jumpkick> frustrating as hell to use software this buggy
[07:12] <[pyro]> mental note to self, dont migrate to kde4 yet
[07:16] <jumpkick> [pyro]: if you are asked to uninstall the obsolete packages going from hardy -> intrepid, don't do it
[07:17] <jumpkick> otherwise you'll have no choice
[07:17] <jumpkick> like me
[07:18] <[pyro]> :(
[07:19] <[pyro]> surely you can install kde3 again?
[07:20] <LeeJunFan> I've been using kde4 for a few days now w/o issue.
[07:21] <LeeJunFan> 4.1.1 that is
[07:24] <[pyro]> LeeJunFan: can you send me a screenshot?
[07:24] <[pyro]> curious to see ur desktop :P
[07:24] <LeeJunFan> dcc?
[07:24] <[pyro]> sure, u got ports open?
[07:25] <LeeJunFan> ah, probably not. I'm on the wrong router for that. just a sec, I'll upload to a website.
[07:25] <[pyro]> cool
[07:25] <[pyro]> im looking forward to kopete one day having upnp port mapping ability for file xfer's
[07:26] <[pyro]> makes sense
[07:26] <LeeJunFan> http://www.skycon.net/~junfan/windows_linux.png
[07:27] <LeeJunFan> That one's a bit confusing :) Windows and kde sharing a single desktop.
[07:27] <[pyro]> yeah right
[07:27] <[pyro]> what are you using to do that?
[07:29] <LeeJunFan> it's actually vmware running windows with remote desktop and seemlessrdp, then using rdesktop on the linux side to connect to it. With a little registry hack to get explorer only to display the taskbar - not a whole desktop.
[07:30] <[pyro]> neat :)
[07:30] <LeeJunFan> That way I can actually run apps from the VM in their own windows on the desktop. So I get Windows with compiz :)
[07:30] <[pyro]> yeah thats neat :)
[07:31] <LeeJunFan> http://www.linux.com/feature/124908
[07:32] <[pyro]> ah nice
[07:33] <LeeJunFan> That's what I used to set it up. I also added options to rdesktop -E -r sound:remote -r printer:[printername on linux] to get sound working and printing from the VM.
[07:33] <[pyro]> ah awesome
[07:33] <[pyro]> does VM boot auto?
[07:34] <LeeJunFan> not yet, I was thinking next time I'm bored I'll write a script to use vmware console to auto power on the VM, then ping until it's up - then launch the rdesktop connection.
[07:35] <[pyro]> yeah that could work
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> As of now I'm starting the vmware console, powering on the XP machine, then close the console and connect with the rdesktop menu entry I made.
[07:36] <LeeJunFan> writing the script should be able to make it a single click thing, or no click even.
[07:37] <LeeJunFan> but honestly I don't need windows hogging up RAM all the time.
[07:37] <[pyro]> yeah run it when you need it
[07:39] <[pyro]> does it run as an overlay or are the windows interactive. so I can have a Linux app overlapping a windwos and vice versa
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> the only thing that's odd is that cmd windows won't open. Everything else seems okay but cmd prompts open and show on the windows taskbar but don't open on the linux desktop. No biggie really, not much need for it. Windows shell is useless anyway.
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> it's totally interactive.
[07:39] <LeeJunFan> basically every windows window is wrapped in an X window.
[07:40] <[pyro]> awesome
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> one other small annoyance running it that way is large menus which fill the screen end up partially obstructed under the kde panel and I end up having to keyboard navigate them.
[07:42] <[pyro]> ah ok
[07:42] <LeeJunFan> really only the programs menu I've experienced that with so far.
[07:43] <[pyro]> yep i understand
[07:43] <[pyro]> i currently have my XP setup in virtualbox ose
[07:43] <[pyro]> i hardly ever use it
[07:44] <LeeJunFan> yeah, if not for some ballistics software I wouldn't need it at all.
[07:44] <[pyro]> ah ok
[07:45] <[pyro]> aparantly virtbox ose has desktop intergration? didnt know that
[07:50] <LeeJunFan> hrm, well. I better get some shut-eye. ttyl.
[08:01] <SuperSub> Hi guys, I need some help with my media player i cant seem to get them to work after I upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[08:03] <kudar> what is command to get flash, java, etc
[08:05] <SuperSub> does anyone have any ideas
[08:14] <kirill> Прива! всем! подскажите моно ли как нибудь снести гном?
[08:29] <kirill> Тут все молчат?
[08:30] <kirill> тут есть с кем поговорить?
[08:37] <favro> !ru | kirill
[08:38] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:40] <kirill> может кто нибудь подсказать как снести гнома?
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> !ru | kirill
[09:03] <valued_customer> I'm trying to install libxine1-ffmpeg, but I get unmet dependancies and a broken package error. Any idea how to resolve this?
[09:06] <valued_customer> Anyone?
[09:06] <mattp> hi, is there a channel for kubuntu intrepid?
[09:08] <deamoon> guys who can tell were is mozilla browsers location
[09:09] <valued_customer> try "whereis mozilla" (without the quotes)
[09:09] <valued_customer> mattp, I think so, I'm not sure anyone's responding to questions, though.
[09:09] <deamoon> i mean installed firefox location
[09:09] <valued_customer> At least, not to MY question. ;-)
[09:11] <valued_customer> deamoon, that should show the install locations (ie: "mozilla /usr/bin/mozilla ..." on my machine).
[09:11] <valued_customer> Did I misunderstand the question?
[09:11] <deamoon> ty
[09:11] <deamoon> no
[09:11] <deamoon> its ok
[09:11] <valued_customer> I should have said "whereis firefox", sorry.
[09:12] <deamoon> lol
[09:13] <goat> yo
[09:13] <favro> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[09:14] <favro> valued_customer: how did you try to install it?
[09:14] <favro> !intrepid | mattp
[09:15] <valued_customer> I'm not sure. I may have use mediaubuntu or some such. vlc works, but amarok doesn't work with mp3s.
[09:15] <valued_customer> I've removed mediaubuntu from the repository, and I'm willing to remove the offending app... if I could determine where the issue was.
[09:18] <stdin> valued_customer: make sure libxine1-ffmpeg is installed (or just install kubuntu-restricted-extras) and mp3 should work after restarting amarok
[09:18] <favro> valued_customer: there's a restricted-extras package I'm searching for the name of
[09:18] <favro> or see above
[09:19] <valued_customer> i *can't* install it. "sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg" gives an unmet dependancy error.
[09:19] <stdin> valued_customer: post it to pastebin and I'll have a look
[09:19] <stdin> !paste
[09:21] <valued_customer> ok... Did I do that right?
[09:22] <stdin> you have to post the URL back here
[09:22] <valued_customer> ah - found it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46107/
[09:24] <stdin> valued_customer: looks like you have disabled hardy-updates or hardy-security
[09:24] <valued_customer> let me see...
[09:25] <goat> question: I have installed on my laptop Ubuntu, now Ive installed KDE. Will I have conflicting issue? Should I install Kubuntu directly?
[09:26] <stdin> goat: they should both work fine, the only difference is the desktop environment
[09:26] <aeonoris> Is there a way to make it so that when I start typing in Dolphin, it searches for the word I'm typing rather than the individual letters?  I seem to recall the live CD had it like that (though I could be confusing it with my other hard drive, which uses Thunar), but it isn't in the actual install...
[09:27] <stdin> it should do if you type fast enough
[09:27] <goat> thats great to hear. Id hate to have to install this atheros wifi card again.
[09:28] <goat> Another question.. What would be the difference if I had just installed Kubuntu?
[09:28] <aeonoris> Ah, yeah, it does seem to, but is there a way to change that?  I liked being able to type and backspace and such until it actually found what I wanted
[09:28] <stdin> goat: mostly that it wouldn't have gnome
[09:29] <stdin> aeonoris: not that I know of, but I've never looked into that
[09:29] <aeonoris> goat, I guess Gnome wouldn't be installed and you'd have the default Kubuntu applications instead of the Gnome ones?
[09:29] <aeonoris> Err, KDE applications.
[09:30] <enter> hola
[09:30] <enter> !list
[09:30] <valued_customer> Yay. The security options were selected, but grey. I assume that meant partially selected. Ran "apt-get dist-upgrade", and all is well. :-)
[09:31] <aeonoris> stdin, does it have a name?  It's annoying to look for other people trying to do the same thing if I have to guess how they would word it (when searching using Google)
[09:31] <goat> Is there any issues running gnome apps in kde
[09:31] <valued_customer> Thanks, stdin! That has been bugging the heck out of me for a couple months.
[09:32] <stdin> goat: nope
[09:32] <goat> sorry for being such a noob but thats what I am
[09:32] <stdin> aeonoris: press '/' before typing ;)
[09:33] <stdin> that enables the "filter" search
[09:34] <aeonoris> Hum.  That seems to never filter out folders
[09:34] <aeonoris> Oh well, I guess I'll use that until I find something else or install Thunar on this one too.  Thanks.
[09:35] <stdin> yeah, that's annoying. but better than nothing
[09:42] <mhall> How can I change what types of stuff appear in the K Menu? Like if I wanted to enable or disable listing the recently executed applications for example.
[09:44] <goat> If I used my Kubutu discs, could I install my Atheros wifi card the same I did in ubuntu? It was a nightmare, had to combine multiple how tos...
[09:45] <mhall> goat: Weird. I was able to enable my integrated Quadro and Broadcom on Kubuntu with a dist upgrade to get latest stuff and a couple mouse clicks in the "device manager" app... jockey I think the name is.
[09:47] <mhall> goat: Is your card a madwifi?
[09:50] <goat> yes I had to go through something called madwifi
[09:50] <goat> then i had to do try quite a few different commands in the terminal
[09:50] <mhall> goat: Well what I am reading online says madwifi's included.
[09:51] <mhall> goat: What went wrong when you last tried it?
[09:51] <goat> I read that aswell, but aperently it has something to do with it detecting a different card and installs the wring driver
[09:52] <goat> when I opened the widow that displays the network devices it never showed
[09:52] <goat> *window
[09:53] <goat> Its an AR5007 I believe (atheros)
[09:53] <mhall> http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Ubuntu
[09:54] <mhall> goat: might be worth checking madwifi page i just pasted
[09:54] <goat> I searched and used madwifi how-tos and to no avail
[09:54] <mhall> i wonder if maybe your card was real new at the time and not fully supported in ubuntus version of madwifi
[09:54] <mhall> this broadcom card is working awesomely right now
[09:55] <goat> well of my 7 hours of trying to get it to work it seems that Im not the only one having the problem
[09:55] <goat> I tried a couple of different how-tos and used the commands they said
[09:56] <goat> when I came to one that didnt work I tried a command in another and went to another and bock
[09:56] <goat> back*
[09:57] <goat> finally got it to work
[09:57] <mhall> goat: weirdd
[09:57] <goat> but Id realy like to do a fresh install of Kubuntu
[09:57] <mhall> goat: so it's saying here that madwifi is part of the distro since feisty
[09:57] <mhall> goat: what dist version did you use on original install
[09:57] <goat> Id say. I just hope the rest of my Linux experince doesnt come out this way
[09:58] <corjan> ?
[09:58] <goat> 8.04 Ubuntu. I hope thats what your asking for
[09:58] <aeonoris> Oh.  That's half of the fun of it, I think.  I sometimes look for problems just because I'm bored...
[09:59] <corjan> Well bye everyone
[10:00] <mhall> apparently aeonoris decide to make a problem with his internet connection
[10:01] <terry_> hello
[10:01] <goat> seems like lol
[10:02] <goat> maybe when he gets it fixed he can come over and figure this one out LOL
[10:03] <goat> AR5007EG <<< Thats the card
[10:03] <goat> You can search threads mentioning that thing till the internet implodes
[10:05] <goat> ...
[10:07] <goat> mhall, what do you think of it?
[10:09] <snikker> hi, how can i input text injapanese, with a standard keyboard?
[10:10] <goat> Did you try "system settings" and then "regional and language"?
[10:12] <goat> Anyone out there know compiz well?
[10:15] <corinth> I just installed Kubuntu through aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, and I have a problem with maxamizing my windows. When I maxamize, the window goes to a maxamized position, but it's not "locked in". I can still grab the edges and resize, you know.
[10:16] <goat> Interesting, mine does the same...
[10:17] <corinth> Mine hasn't always done this, though.
[10:17] <favro> corinth: I think there's a setting for that in kcontrol ...
[10:17] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[10:18] <goat> hey wiz
[10:18] <corinth> favro: Thanks, I found it. "Allow moving and resizing of maximized windows". Thanks!
[10:18] <wizkoder> Is there a tool for ubuntu to write the grub anew? A gui?
[10:19] <favro> corinth: :)
[10:19] <wizkoder> Right now I have to chroot into my old system and and and. CouldN't that be automated with a tool?
[10:19] <favro> wizkoder: sudo update-grub ?
[10:20] <corinth> Is there a way to enable compiz-fusion in Kubuntu? I have Ubuntu Hardy installed from the CD, and Kubuntu Hardy installed from aptitude. Lol
[10:20] <wizkoder> yes, I know how to do it on the command line. But I think a lot of people have to do it all the time after reinstalling other (not so good) os'es .-)
[10:20] <goat> When I try to drag a window to the side of a desktop, it would normally goto the next desktop on the cube.
[10:21] <corinth> *minus that lol, whoops
[10:21] <goat> It doesnt do that now that I installed KDE
[10:21] <wizkoder> corinth: I have it running here. un kde 2.5
[10:21] <goat> how do i fix it
[10:21] <corinth> wizkoder: KDE 2.5, or 3.5?
[10:21] <wizkoder> 3.5
[10:22] <corinth> wizkoder: What do I have to do to enable it?
[10:22] <wizkoder> enabled it in system-desktop effekts
[10:22] <wizkoder> and i installed the compiz config package to select what effects I want
[10:23] <corinth> wizkoder: Ah, I didn't see that there. Thanks!
[10:23] <goat> anyone help me?
[10:23] <wizkoder> My colleages here at work would like to have that too. But they have to use windows :-))))) Its so good to be a web programmer ,-)
[10:24] <goat> anyone?
[10:25] <wizkoder> goat: it is like this here on kde 3.5
[10:25] <wizkoder> I bet your settings are wrong
[10:25] <goat> so your saying its a gnome only thing or I screwed something up here in KDE
[10:27] <goat> Ok duh now I know what your saying, forgivr me Im very slow this morning
[10:27] <wizkoder> no gnome here (still think its ugly ;-) ). Maybe the compiz settings have to be changed. Crashed a lot here until I had the right settings.
[10:28] <goat> I agree, first time trying KDE on Ubuntu and man what a difference, so clean and well designed. Not to mention the default color of puke in gnome...
[10:29] <goat> Ive had no crashed or instability. I guess I just assumed it was default in KDE like it was in gnome
[10:33] <Machtin> hi guys.
[10:33] <Machtin> my sound isn't working anymore.. and.. I have absolutely no clue why.. how would i start to diagnose?
[10:34] <newbieh> hi guys
[10:34] <newbieh> what happens with the hibernate function?
[10:34] <Machtin> (cables are plugged in properly.. and i can see my soundcard in the mixer)
[10:34] <newbieh> hello?
[10:35] <ghostcube> newbieh: just wai a bit until someone can help
[10:35] <ghostcube> irc isnt fast repsonding
[10:35] <newbieh> alright
[10:35] <ghostcube> :D
[10:35] <newbieh> du no?
[10:36] <wizkoder> Guess most kde users do not want that effects. But I love them ;-) And as my machine here at work is a quite fast quad core machine, the effects rock. And I totally love tha faces of them when I change the desktop. Some of them even installed strange tools in windows that do the same more or less. More less than more if you ask me ;-)))
[10:37] <goat> Ive tried that as well but it was no where near as clean and smooth as compiz
[10:37] <goat> And even better its all in one location one program to control all of it
[10:39] <goat> newbieh: I cant remember where to check it, but there is a place that has a check box where you can enable and disable audio devices.
[10:39] <newbieh> never asked for that though
[10:39] <goat> Could be disabled, this has happened to me. For no reason at all...
[10:39] <newbieh> i just asked whatz the hibernate button function
[10:40] <goat> Sorry that was for Mac
[10:40] <goat> you two posted at the same time and I seen your ID, sorry
[10:41] <goat> hibernate saves everthing from memory onto your HD and then shutsdown
[10:42] <goat> damn
[10:42] <favro> saves it into swap afaik
[10:42] <mrxmike> is it possible to compile the latest version of VLC myself / without messing up my dependies - packages
[10:42] <mrxmike> or can i get a newer release for Hardy somewhere? :((((((((((((
[10:43] <favro> most of the popular apps have a .deb soon after a new update
[10:43] <goat> response came a little late, as always
[10:43] <goat> good bye all
[10:46] <_oggy> i'm trying to install kde4.1, i've added the repository, removed all original kde4/qt4 packages, did apt-get update, but am still getting the warning "The following packages cannot be authenticated!"... any ideas?
[10:46] <estan> hm. how can i see the changelogs for updated packages from the command line?
[10:46] <estan> (like in adept, but from command line instead).
[10:46] <Tm_T> _oggy: ignore that warning
[10:47] <estan> _oggy: i believe that's normal, it's just a warning. i think you can add a key or something to get rid of it.
[10:47] <Tm_T> _oggy: it cannot be fixed
[10:47] <estan> oh.
[10:47] <Tm_T> estan: there's no key for ppa (:)
[10:47] <estan> Tm_T: ah. got it.
[10:48] <_oggy> Tm_T: ok, so no key? ewww... i kind of like having my packages signed, but i guess it will have to do. thanks
[10:48] <Tm_T> _oggy: yeah, we too, but no can do
[10:48] <sbucat> :) hi
[10:52] <snikker> there is a characters map in kubuntu?
[10:54] <mrxmike> where can i find a .deb for the latest VLC? :S
[10:57] <snikker> mrxmike: in the repositories (universe) there is a v. 0.8.6
[10:58] <mrxmike> 0.8.6e 1year old
[10:58] <mrxmike> yes
[11:00] <snikker> mrxmike: if you want 0.9.1, you must compile from source...
[11:00] <mrxmike> snikker: and break my dependencies!?
[11:01] <snikker> mrxmike: why you should break dependencies? just make a deb file for 0.9.1
[11:02] <mrxmike> snikker: well, how would i do that?
[11:04] <favro> mrxmike: http://nightlies.videolan.org/
[11:04] <mrxmike> there is no hardy in nightlies
[11:05] <mrxmike> only for intrepid which i cant use due to its alpha state
[11:05] <KR-data> is it possible to try out kubuntu 8.10 without any big problems?
[11:05] <mrxmike> yes, start virtualbox and load the iso...................
[11:05] <favro> mrxmike: it'll work on hardy - the debian sid versions work on etch
[11:06] <mrxmike> favro: so you say i can just download the intrepid .deb and use that on hardy
[11:06] <mrxmike> without breaking my dependency - package system?
[11:07] <KR-data> mrxmike, was the answer with virtualbox and the iso for me?
[11:07] <mrxmike> yes
[11:07] <favro> mrxmike: it "should" be ok - the nightlies aren't supported by vlc themselves - it is developement stuff
[11:07] <mrxmike> KR-data:  its a 'unstable' alpha, you're not gonna enjoy that as a desktop system for daily use
[11:07] <KR-data> mrxmike, that bad?
[11:08] <mrxmike> mwa... its not named alpha without reason, its certainly not beta
[11:08] <favro> mrxmike: http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2008/03/new-face-to-vlc-media-player-090git.html
[11:09] <KR-data> mrxmike, well I used alpha-software without problems before ;) but it can't be that unstable, since October is nearby
[11:09] <mrxmike> favro: last time................... HARDY NIGHTLIES @VIDEOLAN SERVER IS DOWN
[11:09] <mrxmike> KR-data: I would wait a month or try it in vbox first
[11:10] <KR-data> mrxmike, well apart from the detail that I use vmware :p then I'll try that first then
[11:12] <favro> mrxmike: I do beleive that is the first time - won't happen again
[11:14] <mu91t> hello i ve got a tarball   on my pc but i dont know how to install it.... I am using ubuntu
[11:15] <favro> you should be able to  double click the file to open it
[11:15] <[pyro]> mu91t: #tar xvfz <filename>
[11:15] <[pyro]> then read the README or INSTALL file in the extracted dir
[11:16] <Githzerai> mu91t: Install instructions are ususlly in README or INSTALL file within the archive. Have u checked Synaptic/Adept for the program u are looking for ?
[11:16] <mu91t> there is no readme or install file
[11:16] <mu91t> i ve downloaded opera browser its not there in synaptic
[11:16] <favro> mu91t: what is the app?
[11:16] <[pyro]> adios, bbl :)
[11:16] <favro> opera is in medibuntu
[11:17] <favro> !medibuntu
[11:17] <Githzerai> mu91t: Opera can be downloaded in .deb packagre from opera.com
[11:17] <Githzerai> favro: opera is in hardy-partner, but old one 9.27. , 9.51 can be downloaded from opera site. ;)
[11:18] <mu91t> pyro: i used the command u gave but nothing happened
[11:19] <Githzerai> mu91t: http://www.opera.com/download/
[11:19] <favro> well there you go - learn things every day :)
[11:19] <mrxmike> is there something like a packman repost for kubu?
[11:20] <mu91t> pyro : wat does the command u just gave do
[11:20] <Githzerai> mrxmike: U mean pacman, from Arch Linux? No, but why would it be anyway ?
[11:22] <mu91t> it neither gave any error nor did anything
[11:23] <Githzerai> mu91t: what command ?
[11:27] <mu91t> githzeraj: #tar xvfz <filename>
[11:31] <Githzerai> mu91t: It's a generic command to extract files from archive: tar -xvfz  /path/to/archive_name_tar.gz  I would strongly recomend you to download and install .deb binary package. It's done with double click, and you don't seem to be, pardon me if I'm wrong, advanced user so u can easily install tarball packages.
[11:32] <jstephan> hi @ all
[11:33] <jstephan> i've got a problem installing ubuntu 8.04 on an notebook, it freezes after some seconds
[11:35] <chairman> is there any other antivirus for kubuntu?
[11:36] <Tm_T> !av
[11:36] <Tm_T> chairman: klamav?
[11:40] <goat> Did you have issues with the laptop before installing Kubuntu?
[11:44] <chairman> how do u get that?
[11:45] <mooper> what happened to /sys/module/processor/parameters/max_cstate
[11:54] <bibstha> is there a way to include sent-emails as threads in inbox?
[11:54] <bibstha> like gmail conversation
[11:55] <bibstha> i can thread emails alright but they are only incoming emails not outgoing emails
[11:55] <bibstha> im talking about KMail
[12:06] <xispe> o&
[12:06] <xispe> ﻿﻿﻿I need help removing a raid0, alt cd cant delete the raid says its busy. <--- someone knows how?
[12:06] <xispe> actually it doesnt say its busy it says its beeing used or something like that
[12:09] <favro> xispe: the cd might be using the swap on the hard drives
[12:09] <xispe> so how can i remove it_
[12:10] <favro> from the alt cd I wouldn't know
[12:11] <xispe> im on a live now
[12:11] <favro> !raid | xispe this might have a clue
[12:11] <xispe> i can do it form here
[12:11] <favro> xispe: in the live cd open a terminal and type swapoff to let you unmount the swap
[12:12] <favro> sudo swapoff maybe
[12:12] <xispe> would formating the entire hds solve the problem_
[12:12] <xispe> ?
[12:13] <xispe> im reading that it might be something called superblocking
[12:13] <favro> k
[12:15] <xispe> but anyway insnt there an easier way?
[12:15] <xispe> like formating the complete hds?
[12:18] <favro> in gparted you can unmount the swap - what partitioner are you trying with?
[12:20] <xispe> swap is not the porlbem
[12:20] <xispe> problem
[12:20] <xispe> i think
[12:20] <xispe> ive deleted all the partitions
[12:20] <xispe> but when i come back and try to do another raid
[12:20] <xispe> it wont let me
[12:20] <xispe> and the raid shows right again
[12:22] <favro> so your changes aren't being saved/used ?
[12:23] <xispe> its something that is written down on the HD
[12:23] <xispe> something about superblocking
[12:23] <xispe> i think
[12:24] <favro> I don't use raid - maybe someone that does will offer help...
[12:26] <Guest55841> server irc.oltreirc.net
[12:47] <istvan_> hello, how do I edit services that are executed when a CD or DVD is put in the drive?
[13:36] <mrxmike> can anyone please backport VLC from Intrepid to Hardy thx
[13:45] <frybye> Hi - how to stop ignored contacts showing on the kopete main group of contacts from yahoo-messenger account??
[13:46] <frybye> - seem to be no responses on #kopete
[13:46] <Likki> hi
[13:46] <frybye> ..
[13:46] <Likki> i would like to type in japanese...but i dont know how
[13:47] <frybye> you mean you dont know how to set up kubuntu for japaneese language or...?
[13:47] <Likki> i can set up in japanese language
[13:47] <Likki> but i can:t type in japanese
[13:47] <Likki> i can:t input japanese characters +)
[13:48] <Likki> :(
[13:48] <bazhang> !info skim
[13:48] <Likki> i have read some info about that
[13:48] <frybye> sorry I dont have a clue...? what does google say (japanese fonts in kubuntu""  )
[13:48] <Likki> i installed scim-anthy
[13:48] <bazhang> install skim Likki
[13:48] <Likki> but...its not working
[13:48] <Likki> yea i have installed scim-anthy
[13:48] <Likki> that's for japanese input
[13:48] <Likki> but i don't know how to run
[13:49] <Likki> scim
[13:49] <Likki> i used terminal n typed scim
[13:49] <bazhang> need to set up the global engine Likki
[13:49] <Likki> global engine?
[13:49] <bazhang> Likki, first add the applet to panel
[13:51] <Likki> hmm
[13:51] <Likki> bazhang: i added that application into the panel already
[13:51] <Likki> n then?
[13:51] <Likki> i don't know whether i did it right
[13:51] <bazhang> then right click configure
[13:52] <Likki> but i jz add applet, choose application n use scim as the execute command
[13:52] <Likki> but yea, its working n can see a small keyboard taskicon
[13:52] <bazhang> Likki, there should be a small keyboard icon there
[13:52] <Likki> yea
[13:52] <Likki> let me see
[13:53] <bazhang> set to your language
[13:53] <bazhang> and configure the hotkeys to start it Likki
[13:53] <Likki> front end --> global setup?
[13:53] <Likki> ok
[13:53] <bazhang> yes
[13:53] <Likki> to turn it on
[13:53] <Likki> wait
[13:53] <bazhang> Likki, what are you typing Japanese in? Firefox or other
[13:53] <Likki> firefox
[13:53] <Likki> yes
[13:54] <Likki> will it work?
[13:54] <bazhang> quick-locale-switcher for ff (a plugin) Likki
[13:54] <Likki> i set the hot key to turn on scim already...
[13:54] <Likki> should i restart scim?
[13:55] <student> test
[13:55] <bazhang> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1333 Likki
[13:55] <Likki> ok i m reading on that now
[13:56] <bazhang> Likki, after installing that you need to restart ff, choose language, then restart again
[13:57] <Likki> ok
[13:57] <bazhang> Likki, if you want to use Japanese in irc, then right click the text box and choose input method.
[13:57] <bazhang> でか
[13:58] <Likki> i can:t
[13:58] <bazhang> Likki, cant what
[13:59] <Likki> i have set the global hot key
[13:59] <Likki> to turn on the scim
[13:59] <Likki> i set it to ctrl+alt+j
[13:59] <Likki> but when i do this hot key
[13:59] <Likki> nothing happened
[14:00] <Likki> i remember there used to be a crown icon
[14:00] <Likki> that allows me to switch to different japanese symbols
[14:00] <bazhang> Likki, just left click the icon and set to japanese-anthy
[14:00] <bazhang> which yes has a crown
[14:02] <bazhang> Likki, it is problematic with ff though, so I use the plugin I linked for you.
[14:02] <Likki> [15:00] <bazhang> Likki, just left click the icon and set to japanese-anthy
[14:02] <Likki> u mean the keyboard icon?
[14:02] <Likki> right-click n setup?
[14:02] <bazhang> Likki, for irc yes; for ff use the addon
[14:03] <Likki> bazhang: there is no crown icon yet +)
[14:03] <bazhang> Likki, first setup yes.
[14:03] <bazhang> then restart and once it is done you can choose which language for irc, documents etc.
[14:06] <Likki> bazhang: sorry, but what else should i setup other than the hotkey?
[14:06] <Likki> i already set my hotkey
[14:07] <bazhang> Likki, hotkey setup is tricky; be sure you did it right. Took me a few tries :)
[14:07] <Likki> k
[14:07] <Likki> let me try
[14:07] <Likki> bazhang: when it works
[14:07] <Likki> the crown icon will pop up right?
[14:08] <bazhang> Likki, when it works then you can left click the icon and choose japanese-anthy or use hotkey yes
[14:08] <Likki> k
[14:08] <bazhang> I set mine badly, so I am often going into Japanese :)
[14:13] <Likki> bazhang: front end-->global setup-->under hotkeys settings
[14:13] <bazhang> Likki, yes that is it.
[14:13] <Likki> that's where i need to set right?
[14:13] <Likki> mmm
[14:13] <Likki> i set already
[14:13] <Likki> lets see whether it works
[14:14] <bazhang> now restart it
[14:14] <Likki> restart scim?
[14:14] <bazhang> yes
[14:15] <Likki> ok i restart that scim thingy
[14:15] <Likki> the same keyboard icon appeared again
[14:15] <Likki> n i tried my hotkey
[14:15] <Likki> not working :(
[14:15] <Likki> when i apply my hotkey, nothing happened
[14:15] <bazhang> should be right click restart configuration Likki
[14:15] <Likki> reload configuration?
[14:16] <bazhang> right
[14:17] <Likki> lol
[14:17] <Likki> bazhang: it was working after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:17] <bazhang> Likki, nice work :)
[14:17] <Likki> i m using konversation as my irc client
[14:18] <Likki> its not working here, but it works on xchat
[14:18] <Likki> the thing i used to see appeared when i use the hotkey
[14:18] <Likki> so i jz need to find the trick for konversation later
[14:18] <bazhang> :)
[14:18] <Likki> bazhang: i have already installed the ff plugin u gave me
[14:18] <Likki> n its showing japanese characters by default now
[14:19] <bazhang> Likki, good news
[14:19] <Likki> but how to type in japanese?
[14:19] <bazhang> type desu and it will switch
[14:20] <liar> hey can anybody help me? i deleted my Desktop folder and now everything what was in my home folder is on the desktop i tried to create a Desktop folder and restart kdm but there is still the wrong content on the desktop
[14:21] <Likki> bazhang: i typed desu, but it didn't switch
[14:22] <Likki> is there any settings i should set for that?
[14:22] <bazhang> Likki, let me open firefox and try here
[14:23] <bazhang> ぃいき；it works with crown set on scim/skim
[14:23] <bazhang> err sorry Likki
[14:26] <Likki> but i can't turn on my scim in ff
[14:28] <bazhang> Likki, in ff go to tools quick-locale-switcher and choose japanese; it will apply locales and then ask you to restart. then choose crown icon on panel and type in ff
[14:30] <Likki> k bazhang let me try
[14:31] <liar> nobody can help me? are there any settings wrong and in wich file?
[14:32] <Likki> sorry liar, i m a beginner myself
[14:37] <Likki> bazhang: its weird, its only working in xchat so far, i tried in ff, in kopete, in konversation...i can't turn on scim
[14:37] <Likki> :(
[14:37] <Likki> is it bcos of the hotkey problem?
[14:37] <bazhang> Likki, then hotkeys or global engine were not setup; iirc it is skim for kubuntu not scim
[14:38] <keisergbox> hi all
[14:38] <Likki> whta is the difference between skim n scim?
[14:40] <bazhang> Likki, see the 'k' ?
[14:41] <bazhang> eg Kopete, Konversation etc
[14:43] <Likki> ohh...
[14:43] <Likki> how do i set for skim then?
[14:43] <bazhang> need to install it first Likki
[14:43] <Likki> skim?
[14:43] <Likki> ok
[14:44] <bazhang> check in adept; there is more than one package iirc
[14:45] <bazhang> !find skim
[14:46] <Likki> ok i installed skim already
[14:48] <Likki> how do i set it?
[14:52] <Likki> bazhang: i installed skim already, do u know how i can set it?
[14:53] <bazhang> Likki, add to panel and setup there; alternately go into kde menu and choose skim setup
[14:54] <Likki> i tried to run skim in terminal
[14:54] <Likki> nothing happened...no error msg no nothing
[14:54] <bazhang> best to choose from gui menu :)
[14:54] <Likki> n i tried to run "skim - KDE inpu method" in the menu under utilities, its not working either
[14:55] <Likki> no reaction
[14:55] <bazhang> that is odd
[15:00] <Likki> i check whether i still need to install more on skim
[15:03] <Likki> i have installed everything on skim
[15:04] <Likki> but i still can't set the settings for skim :(
[15:04] <Likki> bazhang: how do u normally do it?
[15:04] <Likki> bazhang: for skim?
[15:06] <bazhang> Likki, as I said it took me a few tries to get it going; the global setup then reload configuration should do it
[15:06] <bazhang> Likki, I would change the hotkeys that you have though.
[15:06] <Likki> ok let me try again
[15:16] <visik7> hi guys
[15:16] <visik7> will kubuntu 8.10 still a kde3 based distro ?
[15:18] <_oggy> visik7: iirc no, it will use kde 4.1
[15:18] <visik7> so will drop the support of kde3  ?
[15:21] <Likki> bazhang: it seems to be working on konversation now
[15:22] <bazhang> Likki, nice
[15:22] <Likki> but i thought last time, it used to has a global effect?
[15:22] <Likki> once u switch to japanese
[15:23] <Likki> whatever u type will be affected in all of ur apps right bazhang?
[15:23] <_oggy> visik7: don't know, sorry
[15:23] <bazhang> Likki, should do yes
[15:24] <mrxmike> can i use compiz-box on hardy with kde 4.1.1?
[15:27] <Likki> bazhang: あ
[15:27] <Likki> lol i can type in konversation
[15:28] <bazhang> Likki, good work :)
[15:28] <Likki> but the main prob is still ff
[15:28] <Likki> i can't type my email in jap :(
[15:28] <bazhang> installed that plugin yet?
[15:28] <Likki> lol unless i type in kwrite
[15:28] <Likki> then copy paste
[15:28] <Likki> yes
[15:28] <Likki> already
[15:29] <bazhang> need to switch languages then restart ff
[15:29] <Likki> yup
[15:29] <Likki> i switched to jap, n it asks me to restart
[15:29] <bazhang> also make sure all the locales for ff are installed
[15:29] <Likki> i restarted...
[15:29] <Likki> n it started showing jap as default
[15:29] <Likki> tick all of the locales?
[15:29] <bazhang> ff has its own separate language files
[15:30] <Dragonath> my ipod isn't responding to unmount commands, is there any way I could kill the power to the usb socket it's in to make it think I shut down my pc?
[15:32] <SimmyJ> hey guys, i'm using kubuntu 7 and the keyboard is messed (the windows key doesn't work)
[15:32] <Likki> bazhang: i did what u told me, switch to jap locale in ff, n restarted...but still can't type in jap :(
[15:32] <SimmyJ> any one know how to fix this?
[15:32] <Likki> SimmyJ: maybe u need to specify what keyboard u r using?
[15:32] <Likki> to ur KDE
[15:32] <Likki> i had problem like that once
[15:33] <Dragonath> SimmyJ: it's possibly something to do with your X configuration
[15:35] <SimmyJ> can x affect the modifier keys?
[15:35] <SimmyJ> i should check that out
[15:35] <SimmyJ> thanks Dragonath
[15:36] <Dragonath> I distinctly recall the X configuration asking me what keyboard I have
[15:36] <Dragonath> so changing it there should probably have an effect
[15:37] <neWbie> after using the hibernate function, at reboot the screen appears in a grey scale and with a grey thick line on the left side... graphic is not good...??? y?
[15:46] <Walex> neWbie: thanks for letting us know.
[15:47] <neWbie> thank you Walex for letting me know that your grateful for letting you know
[15:47] <neWbie> ;)
[15:47] <neWbie> now, do you have a solution?
[15:47] <Walex> neWbie: we are sorry, but our psychic advisors are all busy on other astral planes.
[15:48] <neWbie> but i want no others Walex, i want you, don't you have enough skills?
[15:48]  * Walex regrettably is not clairvoyant
[15:49] <neWbie> how unfortunate
[15:49] <SimmyJ> now another problem... when i login to kde it doesn't work.. just a blank screen and nothing happens
[15:50] <SimmyJ> i can use failsafe and then run startkde
[15:50] <SimmyJ> or kdestart... whatever itis, and that works
[15:50] <SimmyJ> but how do i fix it so it'll start up upon login?
[15:51] <Walex> SimmyJ: you too seem a bit optimistic about the availability of our psychic advisors.
[15:51] <Walex> SimmyJ: what does "login to kde it doesn't work.. just a blank screen" mean?
[15:52] <SimmyJ> Walex: enter user name, enter password. press enter. (kdm login screen).
[15:52] <SimmyJ> Walex: nothing happens. just a blue background... for ever.
[15:52] <SimmyJ> well, for as long as i can make myself wait
[15:53] <Walex> SimmyJ: then perhaps your loging scripts are not quite running right. Check the xsession logs in your home dir.
[15:53] <Walex> SimmyJ: for example your login script may be prompting for something and waiting for a reply forever.
[15:55] <kubuntu_> #jakarta
[15:56] <kubuntu_> undergruond city pada kemana ny rang nya
[15:58] <SimmyJ> Walex: i'll pastebin what i have... http://pastebin.com/d53a6bf7d
[15:59] <JuJuBee> Im using cssh to control the computers in my room.  How do I update using cli?
[16:00] <Walex> SimmyJ: that's very odd but not very informative. Also try to see using 'ps axf' the process tree when the GDM is waiting.
[16:02] <SimmyJ> Walex: kdm, not gdm.
[16:02] <SimmyJ> Walex: does that make any difference?
[16:02] <Walex> SimmyJ: should not, but then you seem to be starting GNOME.
[16:02] <SimmyJ> Walex: that's what i thought!
[16:02] <SimmyJ> man this system is just messed :(
[16:03] <Walex> SimmyJ: check then the process tree to see what's hanging. Also, put 'set -x' in your login/rc scripts so what they do gets written to the xsession log.
[16:03] <SimmyJ> oh.. that's a new trick
[16:03] <SimmyJ> where exactly do i put set -x ?
[16:04] <Walex> SimmyJ: neat the beginning of the script.
[16:05] <SimmyJ> i'm not sure which script you mean
[16:05] <SimmyJ> also.. in kubuntu kcontrol seems to be replaced with settings manager?  how do I disable kmilo?
[16:05] <SimmyJ> i think it's messing up a few things for me.
[16:06] <SimmyJ> actually.. you know what.
[16:06] <SimmyJ> forget it
[16:06] <SimmyJ> i'm gonna reinstall this machine
[16:06] <SimmyJ> there is just too many things that are wrong, leading me to beleive even if i fix what i know is wrong thre will still be more that i do not know that is wrong.
[16:20] <Likki> `ksjdfd]]]]]]fp0239242jkdfdskfjkfkdsぁfjdふぃえ
[16:20] <Likki> sorry
[16:25] <Likki> anybody knows
[16:25] <Likki> what application can i use
[16:25] <Likki> to type in japanese?
[16:26] <Likki> i still can't get my ff to type in japanese
[16:26] <christelle> hello
[16:26] <Likki> so at least if i can type in another application in japanese, n then jz copy paste the text to the ff
[16:26] <Likki> then i still can reply email in japanese
[16:26] <Likki> anybody can help me
[16:26] <Likki> ?
[16:27] <neWbie> hello how do i remove gnome completely?
[16:27] <ubuntu> hola a todos
[16:29] <Likki> oh kedit works
[16:29] <Likki> ok...
[16:39] <infecto> hello, i think i`m not first in here
[16:39] <infecto> i install intrepid ibex and ...
[16:39] <infecto> i need kde3 ;)
[16:39] <infecto> is there some repo with kde3 for intrepid?
[16:42] <infecto> cause kde4 is not ready to use in my opinion.
[16:45] <kkathman> I am experiencing an issue with the mplayer plug in I guess in Firefox...getting audio just fine, but no video...any ideas?
[16:46] <apple_> There maybe something wrong when you install the mplayer
[16:53] <Darkhound> guys
[16:53] <Darkhound> when i type SU my autentication fails?
[16:53] <Darkhound> what is the root passowrd or how do i chagne it?
[16:54] <siegie> Darkhound, root disabled by default, you can use sudo -i instead
[16:54] <Darkhound> why is it disabled by default?
[16:54] <Darkhound> any reason for that?
[16:54] <Darkhound> what is sudo -i for?
[16:54] <siegie> gives the same result
[16:54] <siegie> as su -
[16:54] <Darkhound> i see.. but can you give me a reson for why is su disabled?
[16:55] <Darkhound> and how i can endable it
[16:55] <siegie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[16:56] <siegie> the advantages are on the wiki
[16:57] <grendal_prime> why cant i send something TO my laptop FROM my phone with bluetooth.  It works the otherway around?
[16:57] <Darkhound> ok also
[16:57] <Darkhound> i am trying to installthe java runtime envrontment
[16:57] <Darkhound> it is a bin file
[16:57] <Darkhound> how do i install it?
[16:58] <grendal_prime> sudo -s
[16:58] <siegie> Darkhound, java is in the repo's , why do you install with a .bin
[16:58] <grendal_prime> put in YOUR password(meaning the loged in users password)
[16:58] <Darkhound> i cant seem to find it
[16:58] <grendal_prime> then run your bin..or ya just install with the repo..100 times easyer
[16:59] <Darkhound> how do i find it in the repos?
[16:59] <grendal_prime> anyone any good with bluetooth stuffs?
[16:59] <grendal_prime> open synaptic package manager
[16:59] <grendal_prime> search  java
[17:00] <Darkhound> synaptic... i just adept whre do i find it
[17:00] <squid> bonjour
[17:00] <squid> ya personne?
[17:01] <grendal_prime> actually look for sun-java
[17:01] <grendal_prime> no habla french
[17:01] <grendal_prime> hehehehe
[17:02] <Darkhound> ok
[17:02] <squid> nobody speak french?
[17:02] <Darkhound> !fr
[17:04] <grendal_prime> non je ne parle le français
[17:11] <snyh> hi
[17:11] <carlos_> ola?
[17:11] <snyh> >_<
[17:12] <grendal_prime> hi
[17:12] <lingshan> hola
[17:13] <snyh> hola is Italy's hi?
[17:19] <dr_willis> I though Hola was spanish..
[17:19] <amerigo> !kino
[17:20] <amerigo> ! kino
[17:20] <jussi01> !info kino
[17:20] <amerigo> grazie iussi
[17:20] <jussi01> !it | amerigo
[17:21] <lingshan> españoles q usen kmail en KDE 4.1.1?
[17:21] <jussi01> !es
[17:21] <lingshan> ok
[17:22] <amerigo> no i don't want to speak italian ... i've just thinked you was Italian
[17:24] <amerigo> anybody has information about KINO?
[17:29] <dr_willis> !info kino
[17:29] <dr_willis> I rember i couldent get it to do what i wanted. :)
[17:32] <mhall> Man I tried setting up this laptop to dual boot with the OEM Windows but that Windows was so full of garbage I had to trash it. HP 8510w Mobile Workstation + Kubuntu == Retarded awesome.
[17:33] <mhall> The better Linux gets the more I despise Windows.
[17:33] <mhall> My next programming job is going to be UNIX I hope.
[17:34] <mhall> I am getting real tired of my Windows job... to the point where I write all the code on UNIX (thank God it's Java) and then move it to Windows after it's done.
[17:35] <rickest> mhall: hear, hear
[17:37] <draik> I did a recent upgrade and this is the error message I received...
[17:37] <draik> Errors were encountered while processing:
[17:37] <draik>  mysql-server-5.0
[17:37] <draik>  mysql-server
[17:37] <draik> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:38] <penlost> hi can anyon help with flash player for firefox? I cannot see vids in you tube
[17:38] <mhall> This laptop is a gnarly computer too.
[17:38] <mhall> Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM, 120GB 7200, 1920x1200 screen, and a Quadro
[17:39] <SimmyJ> ooh nice mhall
[17:39] <SimmyJ> what video chipset?
[17:41] <penlost> I hav adobe flash installed, it can play the video and i can hear it but not see it ! just a black screen
[17:43] <mhall> SimmyJ: FX570M I think
[17:43] <mhall> SimmyJ: it's fkn awesome... i think perhaps more responsive than my dual opteron desktop
[17:44] <SimmyJ> woot!
[17:44] <SimmyJ> compiz installed yet? :)
[17:45] <mhall> SimmyJ: kwin at the moment
[17:45] <mhall> but funny you mention it
[17:45] <mhall> am reading compiz website hahahaha
[17:46] <mhall> SimmyJ: what do i need to do to enable it
[17:46] <mhall> am used to deban which has nosexy wizards like kubuntu does lol
[17:46] <draik> How can I fix the error from apt?   E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:47] <xomp> hi, just installed kubuntu. Is there any good media players for KDE? I used to use Gnome but now my media files won't play (asks me for a program to play them and I don't know what to choose).
[17:47] <Githzerai> draik: depends on error. What was the exact output? I gave a short version ... ;)
[17:48] <mhall> xomp: kaffeine, xine, and mplayer
[17:48] <xomp> mhall, danke :)
[17:48] <Githzerai> xomp: amarok for audio files....
[17:48] <mhall> xomp: kaffeine has kde look but uses xine backend usually which makes it my first choice for media playing needs
[17:48] <mhall> xomp: oh yeah, and Githzerai is right, amarok is the most hardcore music player... evar. lol!
[17:49] <draik> Githzerai: Let me use Pastebin
[17:49] <draik> !pastebin
[17:49] <xomp> mhall, kaffeine good for playing mpg, avi, divx etc?
[17:49] <mhall> xomp: yeah anything that works in xine... xine supports damn near everything
[17:49] <mhall> xomp: but on those occasions where xine can't do it for some reason, then mplayer comes in very handy
[17:49] <draik> Githzerai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46303/
[17:49] <xomp> cool thanks :)
[17:50] <mhall> xomp: also kaffeine and xine-ui are a lot easier to use than mplayer
[17:51] <xomp> mhall, oh, that reminds me, does Kaffeine play .flv's?
[17:51] <mhall> xomp: hmm i dunno. i know what flv's are but haven't had to play any.
[17:52] <mhall> xomp: that sounds like a case where you might need mplayer though
[17:52] <mhall> xomp: some real weird proprietary formats don't work in xine
[17:52] <mhall> xomp: another good player option is VLC
[17:52] <draik> Githzerai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46308/         Hope this one helps too
[17:53] <mhall> xomp: it was created by DVD Jon who cracked the dvd encryption, and a bunch of his friends, as the first really good Linux player
[17:53] <mhall> xomp: so it's been around a long time, and DVD Jon doesn't fuck around when it comes to media players.
[17:53] <xomp> coolbeans
[17:54] <eyzee> hi every body
[17:54] <Githzerai> draik: Truj sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:54] <xomp> yeah I just tested it with an .flv, doesn't seem to support it but thats ok :3 only had 1 flv anyways heh
[17:54] <Githzerai> draik: sorry :) Try sudo dpkg --configure -a ;)
[17:55] <draik> Githzerai: It's ok. I deal with typos all day long. I understoodedated.
[17:55] <eyzee> does anyone know how to open an executable file
[17:55] <draik> eyzee: WINE?
[17:55] <Githzerai> eyzee: What cind of executable ?
[17:55] <draik> Githzerai: No, still the same.
[17:56] <eyzee> ...like real player
[17:56] <draik> eyzee: There is realplayer for Kubuntu
[17:56] <eyzee> ..yah i know but real player for windows
[17:57] <eyzee> even wine i can't open after i download
[17:57] <Githzerai> draik: sudo dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-*
[17:58] <eyzee> is there a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[17:58] <draik> eyzee: Just the look
[17:58] <eyzee> coz my os is edubuntu
[17:58] <eyzee> ok
[17:58] <Githzerai> eyzee: You don't need the real player just codecs, makes life much easier
[17:59] <mhall> draik: typos are OK... what i worry about is thinkos
[17:59] <draik> Githzerai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46309/
[17:59] <eyzee> ..oh
[17:59] <xomp> heh I'm on KDE 3.5.8. Guess I got some updating to do eh? :3
[18:00] <draik> mhall: Thinkos... are they the result of holding in a fart that it then travels up your spine and ends in your brain thus producing a sh*tty idea?
[18:00] <eyzee> ..i think i read that message from an sms
[18:00] <eyzee> hehhehe
[18:01] <mhall> draik: that's one interpretation... and a pretty hilarious one at that
[18:01] <eyzee> can codecs open an exec file?
[18:01] <Githzerai> draik: For some reason mysql startup scrip doesn't start. try sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start and see the output
[18:02] <eyzee> githzerai: can codecs open exec file
[18:02] <draik> mhall: The actual quote is "Don't hold in your farts. They travel up your spine and into your brain to give you crappy ideas"
[18:02] <draik> Githzerai: sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[18:03] <eyzee> draik: i liked the first version you've mention
[18:04] <eyzee> ...sorry guys for bothering yah all coz i cant seem to grasp the system of ubuntu
[18:06] <Githzerai> draik: command is:  sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[18:06] <Githzerai> with "start"
[18:06] <draik> I did
[18:06] <draik> sudo /etc/init.d/mysqld start
[18:06] <draik> sudo: /etc/init.d/mysqld: command not found
[18:06] <draik> I copy/paste commands
[18:07] <EagleScreen> cd /etc/init.d
[18:07] <EagleScreen> sudo ./mysql start
[18:07] <EagleScreen> sudo ./mysqld start
[18:08] <draik> EagleScreen: I went to /etc/init.d/ and did "ls". mysqld does not exist
[18:09] <Githzerai> draik: Than we have a mayor problem with package, as startup script is not a part of it....
[18:09] <EagleScreen> did u installes it?
[18:10] <draik> EagleScreen: I did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" and that's when I got the issue
[18:12] <EagleScreen> draik i have never used mysql, i dont know what to do
[18:13] <draik> To my recollection, neither have I
[18:14] <raven24> have you tried to reinstall it? i.e. remove (with --purge) and install again
[18:15] <draik> mysqld is not a package
[18:15] <draik> I just tried to install it
[18:15] <draik> E: Couldn't find package mysqld
[18:16] <Githzerai> draik: no it's a scrip which should be a part of mysql-server package....
[18:16] <raven24> no, mysqld is not a package, but mysql-server is
[18:16] <draik> Ok
[18:17] <draik> Should I reinstall mysql-server?
[18:17] <raven24> yes ... but if you have databases already make a backup first!
[18:19] <draik> I have none
[18:19] <draik> How do I reinstall?
[18:19] <raven24> first remove it
[18:19] <raven24> sudo apt-get --purge remove mysql-server
[18:20] <Githzerai> draik: sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server && sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[18:20] <draik> Ok
[18:20] <draik> I thought I've seen a --reinstall option before, guess I'm wrong.
[18:21] <jerome_> le channel français il est ou?
[18:21] <Githzerai> !fr | jerome_
[18:21] <jerome_> thanks
[18:22] <draik> Githzerai: raven24: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46317/
[18:22] <Githzerai> draik: Yes u have reinstall option, but it wouldn't remove config files.... This way it will
[18:22] <draik> Ok.
[18:24] <Githzerai> draik: Little confusion :) mysql-server is a metapackage which depends on mysql-server-5.0, so above command should be:  sudo apt-get remove --purge mysql-server-5.0 && sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[18:25] <draik> Ok. Running it now
[18:27] <draik> Githzerai: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46320/
[18:28] <Githzerai> draik: It's an obvious package bug, and should be reported....
[18:31] <KDEuser> Why konqueror cant find any webpage? My internet works without any problems, but konqueror just cant find any page (gives An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com: Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/. error), and I have chek'd options, but still it dosent find any page, firefox had same problem, but it fixed when I trun from offine to online mode, so how I can do same with konqueror?
[18:34] <raven24> draik: could you try to remove mysql-server-5.0 and then install mysql-server (the meta-package) ... maybe that could work
[18:35] <vassili> hello
[18:36] <KDEuser> hi
[18:37] <vassili> KDEuser: i need progrm to change size in the photos. Do you now any?
[18:37] <KDEuser> gimp maybe?
[18:37] <KDEuser> idk
[18:37] <vassili> hmm/ Gimp - editor
[18:37] <vassili> i tray
[18:37] <vassili> 1 moment
[18:39] <kalorin> vassili: you could use image magic
[18:39] <kalorin> it's a command line batch program that could resize your images
[18:39] <jussi01> vassili: gimp will do it fine
[18:39] <vassili> hmm
[18:39] <vassili> i tray
[18:39] <KDEuser> So are I only who have probmlems with konqueror?
[18:40] <jussi01> vassili: in gimp, imager -> scale image
[18:40] <raven24> seems like it...
[18:40] <jussi01> KDEuser: what problems?
[18:40] <KDEuser> Why konqueror cant find any webpage? My internet works without any problems, but konqueror just cant find any page (gives An error occurred while loading http://www.google.com: Could not connect to host http://www.google.com/. error), and I have chek'd options, but still it dosent find any page, firefox had same problem, but it fixed when I trun from offine to online mode, so how I can do same with konqueror?
[18:40] <KDEuser> that
[18:41] <raven24> so, you can browse with firefox, ping, etc. only konqueror won't work
[18:41] <raven24> ?
[18:41] <jussi01> KDEuser: open konqeror, then put this in the address bar please: 64.233.187.99
[18:42] <jussi01> (that jkust google ip FYI)
[18:42] <KDEuser> raven24: yes
[18:42] <KDEuser> jussi01: doesent work :\
[18:42] <jussi01> oh, you can browse with firefox?
[18:42] <KDEuser> yes
[18:42] <jussi01> hmm
[18:42] <rickest> is 'Offline' checked under the File menu?
[18:42] <raven24> how do you connect to the internet?
[18:42] <KDEuser> but I dont have that installed at this moment (I have reinstalled kubuntu for some reasons..)
[18:43] <KDEuser> rickest: theres no "file" menu
[18:43] <KDEuser> raven24: kppp
[18:43] <KDEuser> wait o moment ->
[18:44] <raven24> do you start kppp as root (sudo) or with your user
[18:44] <rickest> Comment #4 /might/ help:  https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=203483
[18:44] <KDEuser> <-
[18:45] <KDEuser> raven24: Im not sure, user I quess
[18:45] <KDEuser> damn GPRS
[18:45] <raven24> then it may be that kppp is unable to set the routes (dns server, etc.) ... try it with
[18:45] <raven24> kdesudo kppp
[18:46] <KDEuser> :\
[18:46] <raven24> and re-enter your connection settings and try to connect
[18:46] <KDEuser> I cant try that at this moment, 'cause I'm dowloading mp3 support..
[18:46] <raven24> oh... then later
[18:46] <KDEuser> and because I'm using GPRS, its slow as hell
[18:47] <raven24> yeah ... i know it too well
[18:47] <KDEuser> 6.0kb/s :q
[18:47] <KDEuser> one reason why I'm saving some money for new phone..
[18:48] <KDEuser> hm
[18:48] <draik> raven24: Removed mysql-server-5.0 and installed mysql-server. Still the same issue.
[18:49] <KDEuser> I have downloading it for 2h 52min >:(
[18:49] <raven24> draik: that's very bad... try google-ing your output...
[18:49] <draik> I have. Not much help.
[18:50] <raven24> draik: have you installed AppArmour? I saw it on yout output ... do you need it? maybe thats causing troubles
[18:50] <draik> I never recall installing it.
[18:50] <RurouniJones> apparmour is installed by default methinks
[18:51] <RurouniJones> At least it was on mine
[18:51] <raven24> is it the server-version or the desktop?
[18:51] <draik> Possibly. I think it was something that came along for the ride of another install if it is installed and I never typed it in.
[18:51] <draik> Desktop
[18:51] <KDEuser> I'll continue playing goldeneye ->
[18:52] <raven24> i think then you can remove it ... and try to install mysql again
[18:52] <draik> I have uninstalled it
[18:52] <draik> I do not know about reinstalling until requested.
[18:54] <raven24> you could also try, when mysql is removed, to remove the mysql-folder in /etc, and every other mysql folder you can possibly find
[19:01] <vbgunz__> On Hardy 8.04 using 3.5.9 I lost all of my root icons... the only thing I did right before I noticed this was I deleted the roots kthememanager 'themes' folder. I wanted to symlink my themes folder into it's place... but no matter what I do now, root has no icons :(
[19:02] <vbgunz__> when I select new icons in kcontrol for root, they get partially recognized... meaning some of them ever show up leaving the rest of root mode looking broken
[19:03] <raven24> you are actually not supposed to login as root ...
[19:04] <vbgunz__> raven24: I didn't. I used kdesu to go into konqueror and deleted the themes folder there, then symlinked my folder into its place.
[19:04] <oklinux> there you are trappist
[19:05] <vbgunz__> as for why the icons got botched is beyond me
[19:06] <raven24> interesting... you can try to remove the .kde folder in root's homedir and re-login ... it should get created with the default-everything
[19:07] <vbgunz__> yeah, that worked but I didn't want to do that... heh, no biggie.
[19:08] <vbgunz__> I just won't symlink my themes folder I guess
[19:08] <raven24> i think a symlink just isn't good enough ;-)
[19:09] <raven24> you could try a hardlink
[19:09] <Guest7718> :E
[19:11] <vbgunz__> hmmm... it just happened again... i didn't symlink this time. I only selected a theme from my home directory... no messing with icons fixes this...
[19:13] <raven24> strange ... which icons exactly disappear?
[19:14] <vbgunz__> heh. all of them
[19:14] <vbgunz__> I have no idea why this theme is doing this...
[19:14] <vbgunz__> even if I select a set from the icons in kcontrol, that doesn't help
[19:15] <raven24> very weird ...
[19:15] <raven24> and with the default theme all icons re-appear ... hopefully?
[19:17] <ahmos> hi, does any one know a good programme for converting audio
[19:17] <vbgunz__> yes
[19:18] <raven24> ahmos: which format?
[19:19] <ahmos> flac to mp3 , but if it handles more formats then it will be better raven24
[19:19] <raven24> audacity
[19:19] <raven24> sudo apt-get install audacity
[19:19] <raven24> just open the file and export as mp3
[19:19] <ahmos> ok
[19:19] <ahmos> i'll try it
[19:21] <ahmos> raven24 can i ask you why audacity don't support mixer recording
[19:22] <neeraj> how to go in ubuntu chanel
[19:22] <raven24> sorry, i don't know ..
[19:22] <serzholino> #ubuntu
[19:22] <ahmos> np
[19:22] <ahmos> thank you raven24
[19:23] <raven24> np
[19:23] <neeraj> ok thanks everyone
[19:24] <vbgunz__> well.. that was very weird... I only wanted the color scheme which is very different from my normal user... anyhow, icons and everything seems back to normal
[19:40] <bobbo85> Hi all, I can't seem to open .rar files.  ark will open and say no archive was found...
[19:45] <neeraj> sis graphics driver is not available ?
[19:45] <ahau_> hello
[19:46] <ahau_> hola ?
[19:59] <Artimus> I'm having trouble with audio in Amarok skipping.  Kaffeine and mplayer playback audio just fine.  Any suggestions?  I've tried disabling arts, no luck.
[20:01] <bobbo85> Artimus, I dunno about that - my best guesses would be 1) check which audio engine it's using, 2)maybe the database mysql is really overloaded with your library - sometimes using the full sql thing works better
[20:02] <bobbo85> I'm a newb though
[20:03] <Artimus> bobbo85: It's using xine with alsa or arts.  And I don't even have a database setup yet, I just copied five tracks or so into a playlist
[20:03] <Artimus> bobbo85: But thanks anyway
[20:14] <Celtyk> hola
[20:14] <xomp> how to change Konq from being my default web browser to Firefox?
[20:14] <TimS> I've done a Safely Remove on my iPod classic, is that all I need to do before I can disconnect, or do I need to do anything else?
[20:15] <TimS> !ipod
[20:16] <xomp> n/m sorted it out :)
[20:19] <bobbo85> I made a script for amarok to delete the current song, called it delsong.sh and made an "input action" keyboard shortcut to it...  the combo works, and the song gets deleted, but I get an error message that kubuntu could not find the program "delsong.sh" anyway... any ideas?
[20:20] <Danu> hi i need some help i can't watch videos in konqueror
[20:26] <Alex135> is there any major downside or reason why i shouldn't have a XFS partition mounted as /home ?
[20:33] <Mighty-D> Alex135: i cant think of any
[20:33] <Alex135> k
[20:33] <SkEmO> sweet home oklahomo!
[20:33] <Alex135> (had messed up my laptop so i thought i would make it easy next time it happens to have the home partition seperate from the OS
[20:33] <Lokiase> hello, does anyone knows a good linux-noob-irc?
[20:34] <Lokiase> i don't know which distro to choose :(
[20:34] <Alex135> ubuntu is easy to start out with
[20:34] <Alex135> (mostly)
[20:34] <Alex135> its compatable with just about everything
[20:34] <Mighty-D> Alex135: it is preferably to use diferent partitions for /home /usr/ var /opt /tmp and /
[20:35] <Lokiase> its for a Pentium 2, i tried ubuntu, kubuntu and knoppix, all to slow
[20:35] <Mighty-D> Lokiase: if you are new to linux ubuntu/kubuntu is your best bet, then you can try other flavors like gentoo or slackware
[20:35] <Alex135> feather linux? :p
[20:35] <lex> can I set up samba in that order that files on my kubuntu box can only be downloaded from and not opened from? i want to make a share folder with some windows computers, and i want them to be able only to download and then open files, and not open them from my hard drive???
[20:35] <Mighty-D> Lokiase: for legacy hardware i *always* use slackware, i was running an old 100 Mhz 16MB RAM computer this morning
[20:35] <Lokiase> it needs to be a distro with internet and wine...
[20:36] <Lokiase> slackware? is internet and wine possible?
[20:36] <Mighty-D> Lokiase: sure
[20:36] <Alex135> Lokiase: Ubuntu is probably slow because you dont have the video card excelleration installed
[20:36] <lex> wine and old hardware is a nono i think. it eats memory and cpu
[20:36] <Mighty-D> Lokiase: Why do you need wine?
[20:36] <gx009> did you look into Xubuntu, Lokiase
[20:36] <lex> internet is possibile on any linux installation
[20:37] <Alex135> Mighty-D: probably so, however i can deal with the problems of reinstalling my software, i just need to be able to keep my home directory (as all my settings, email, files, and all other fun junk is stored there)
[20:37] <Lokiase> I need wine because i have to run software wich is created for linux...
[20:37] <Lokiase> for windows :)
[20:38] <Alex135> well yes, however wine doesn't work well with old hardware, as windows software is not alwase compatable to use in wine
[20:38] <lex> Lokiase: why not find linux alternatives? what software?
[20:38] <Alex135> and old hardware just slows it all down
[20:38] <rickest> lex: no, you'll need some kind of CMS for that kind of control
[20:38] <Mighty-D> Lokiase: im not sure if legacy hardware is good for a start, since there are a *LOT* of tunning options, however you will find your learning curve very interesting
[20:38] <lex> rickest: thank   you. i was affraid of that
[20:39] <Lokiase> www.aldfaer.nl
[20:39] <Lokiase> that software ;)
[20:39] <Lokiase> only possible in windows, no other option
[20:39] <kudar_> ?
[20:39] <Mighty-D> what does aldfaer do?
[20:39] <Alex135> is there a site in english?
[20:39] <Lokiase> no
[20:39] <kudar_> i have hardy.. can i upgrade to 2.6.26?
[20:40] <Alex135> kudar_: yes you should be able to
[20:40] <Alex135> kudar_: no reason why you shouldn't be able to
[20:40] <Lokiase> the only option is that program, it must be part of my system:)
[20:40] <lex> Alex135: how can i upgrade to newest kernel?
[20:40] <TimS> Okay, could someone help? In amarok, every time I put music on my iPod it just becomes orphaned tracks, how can I prevent this from happening?
[20:40] <TimS> I can't get the damned thing to work :(
[20:40] <TimS> It just fails to write to the iPod database
[20:40] <jussi01> !kernel
[20:41] <lex> TimS: did you try to write to ipod from konqueror?
[20:42] <TimS> It doesn't write to the database
[20:42] <TimS> I can add files fine
[20:42] <TimS> The tracks I've put on just show up as orphaned
[20:42] <Alex135> TimS: put linux on the ipod
[20:42] <TimS> No
[20:42] <Alex135> TimS: would probably work better
[20:42] <TimS> It wont go on classics
[20:42] <jussi01> !ipod | TimS, been through this?
[20:43] <TimS> Yes
[20:43] <Lokiase> can someone help me? :$
[20:43] <TimS> It had no information of any use
[20:43] <TimS> It told me what I was going already
[20:44] <TimS> Please don't tell me I have to switch back to windows and use iTunes
[20:45] <TimS> *shudder*
[20:45] <kudar_> what repository do i need to get the newest kernal?
[20:45] <Daisuke_Ido> the NEWEST newest kernel?
[20:45] <kudar_> .26
[20:45] <Daisuke_Ido> you're going to have to compile it yourself
[20:45] <Daisuke_Ido> because hardy is .24
[20:45] <jussi01> !intrepid
[20:45] <Alex135> there is no repo... the ones around in the ubuntu repo are the only ones so far supported by ubuntu
[20:46] <Daisuke_Ido> you're going to have to go to the next release, which is still alpha, to get .26
[20:46] <kudar_> im trying to see if .26 will help my wireless speed
[20:46] <Lokiase> Hello all, I have an old Pentium II 266mhz and 512 mb ram... i'm looking for a linux to go on the internet and run one softwareprogram with wine... wich should I choose?
[20:47] <Daisuke_Ido> windows
[20:47] <Lokiase> windows?
[20:47] <Alex135> Lokiase: we know... we told you and you what to do
[20:47] <oklinux> trappist Im installing ubuntu
[20:47] <Lokiase> Alex135: no i don't understand, what?
[20:48] <Alex135> Lokiase: linux is a lot of work to start up with old hardware such as you ahve
[20:48] <Alex135> have*
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> Lokiase: with the specs you just game, your hopes of getting a full-featured distro going (AND having wine available) are slim
[20:48] <Daisuke_Ido> gave*
[20:48] <darrell_> Look here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=575456
[20:48] <darrell_> The lightest distro with WINE I used was RudyPuppy
[20:49] <Daisuke_Ido> so as much as it hurts, if you're mostly concerned with running something through wine, you're better off with windows
[20:49] <Daisuke_Ido> and believe me, it hurts to say that.
[20:51] <twylight> I broke apt again
[20:51] <twylight> how do I reset it
[20:52] <W9ZEB> where might I find the power management application in Kubuntu?
[20:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !aptfix
[20:52] <W9ZEB> it's not under system-settings like I expected it to be.
[20:53] <twylight> database area is locked by another process
[20:55] <twylight> there, it's fixed
[20:55] <twylight> thanks
[20:59] <jussi01> !nickspam > vaduzzz
[20:59] <jyoseph> I am trying to use a USB headset for sound. I can see the headset in KMix and even use the dial to turn the volume up and down. But I cannot hear anything
[20:59] <jyoseph> can someone give me some quick advice?
[21:00] <jyoseph> so my computer recognizes it, but I can't hear anything
[21:00] <jussi01> jyoseph: asoundconf list  then asound set-default-card <name of headset>
[21:01] <kkathman> I am having a really annoying problem with mplayer in firefox it sometimes works and sometimes doesnt...but for sure, doesnt show any video, but Opera seems to work fine
[21:01] <jyoseph> jussi01: awesome, the first command shows Intel and Headset
[21:01] <jyoseph> the secont command says command not found
[21:01] <jyoseph> set-default-card Headset
[21:01] <jussi01> no..
[21:02] <jussi01> you need the asounconf
[21:02] <jyoseph> Sorry I should have warned you I'm a linux noob
[21:02] <jussi01> sorry
[21:02] <jyoseph> ok
[21:02] <jussi01> try this one now
[21:02] <jussi01> asoundconf set-default-card Headset
[21:03] <jyoseph> cool, that took... do I need to restart my machine?
[21:03] <jussi01> no
[21:03] <jussi01> jyoseph: just the app you are using
[21:03] <jyoseph> ah, ok
[21:04]  * jussi01 -> out
[21:04] <jyoseph> jussi01: awesome!
[21:04] <jyoseph> thanks
[21:06] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all
[21:06] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i check that what is changed between two package version?
[21:06] <MetaMorfoziS> For example what ubuntu messes with sudo now?
[21:10] <twylight> what in the hell is xincludes
[21:10] <twylight> !xincludes
[21:10] <twylight> thank you
[21:10] <Alex135> ubottu is a bot
[21:11] <Alex135> ... :P
[21:11] <Alex135> that was weird
[21:12] <twylight> jesus that's a lot of packages
[21:22] <psycholic> anyone  know of a good program to open a .iso file?
[21:22] <stdin> !iso
[21:23] <psycholic> thanks stdin
[21:29] <jeanette> hi folks
[21:30] <jeanette> i'm having som problems with getting hardy installed on a brand new machine
[21:30] <jeanette> the "amd64" kde4 cd doesn't want to do anything sane
[21:31] <jeanette> after selecting the language and then "Install..." it boots a kernel, whirrs for a few seconds with the normal kubuntu splash'
[21:31] <jeanette> then it dumps me in a busybox prompt
[21:31] <jeanette> normal busybox, nothing running
[21:32] <jeanette> no errors, nothing
[21:32] <jeanette> everything stops and i can play with my "new kubuntu"
[21:32] <jeanette> i did think kde4 would be more fancy than busybox...
[21:33] <jeanette> booting
[21:33] <jeanette> er
[21:33] <jeanette> no other console contains anything of use, nor dmesg in the busybox shell
[21:34] <jeanette> any hints?
[21:35] <jeanette> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3096759.0
[21:35] <jeanette> same as there. no solutions
[21:36] <jeanette> someone says: "Likely a video conflict. Reboot the LiveCD and choose Safe Graphics (VGA) mode from the F4 option (if I remember correctly)."
[21:36] <jeanette> no go, it does the same
[21:42] <jeanette> seems it can be made to install, but 80% of all boots in the future will end up in a similar busybox shell
[21:42] <jeanette> yeah...
[21:42] <kudar> i share my love equally amongst you all
[21:46] <jeanette> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3093656.0
[21:46] <jeanette> suggest to enter "irqpoll" among the boot options
[21:46] <jeanette> nope, shows the splash for a little longer, then it dies
[21:47] <jeanette> during my 15 years of running linux i've never had this much problems getting an installation even*started*...
[21:47] <kudar> 15 years of linux
[21:47] <kudar> wow
[21:47] <jeanette> and, this channel obviously isn't active, so i'll stop my monologue and go download something else
[21:48] <jeanette> well, 14.5 to be honest
[21:48] <kudar> lol
[21:48] <kudar> you trying to install hardy?
[21:48] <jeanette> the first installation was from 50 or so floppies
[21:48] <jeanette> tried
[21:48] <kudar> oh, kde4
[21:49] <kudar> did you try the liveCD?
[21:49] <jeanette> no, i don't want a live cd
[21:49] <kudar> if you want the OS i would try the liveCD
[21:49] <jeanette> i want something installed on this brand new machine
[21:49] <kudar> liveCd will install it on your machine
[21:49] <jeanette> well, i have the live cd, but i don't want to run the live version
[21:49] <jeanette> yes, i know
[21:50] <jeanette> or, in theory
[21:50] <favro> jeanette: you need to find what boot option will make it work - e.g. apci=force or some such
[21:50] <roozbeh> hi all
[21:50] <roozbeh> i have a question
[21:50] <jeanette> favro: sure, but i have no idea what to even start to look for
[21:51] <jeanette> an installer should just boot
[21:51] <roozbeh> when next version of KDE4 release ?
[21:53] <skinnymg1> hey everyone
[21:53] <skinnymg1> i have a quick ?
[21:54] <skinnymg1> im looking for an app that will allow me to take any sound from my computer and allow me to stream it
[21:57] <osh_> I have a dns-question. I've setup a cname record and when I dig it my own domain is appended to it. Is it supposed to do that? Looks like this (bah IN CNAME some.other.domain.), but when I do a dig for bah.my.domain I get bah.some.other.domain.my.domain which can't be right, can it?
[21:58] <Walzmyn> I'm about to wipe my drive, re-do some partitions and re-install.... Will I  be good if i copy my /home/user directory over to backup and then copy it back?
[21:58] <osh_> Walzmyn: Pretty much yea. Don't forget those pesky .-files and .dirs.
[21:58] <jeanette> "noapic", "irqpoll", "apic=off", "apic=force" do not work
[21:59] <jeanette> same results
[21:59] <jeanette> can't come up with anything else to guess
[21:59] <Walzmyn> osh_, I was going to go up one level and just drag the entire folder over
[21:59] <favro> jeanette: is that your post you linked earlier?
[21:59] <jeanette> favro: no, i googled it
[21:59] <favro> k
[22:00] <jeanette> but it seems *loads* of people have the same problem
[22:00] <jeanette> some seem to get it installed but then regular boots are botched, some just give up
[22:00] <jeanette> as i am ready to do
[22:00] <kudar__> never give up. dont ever give up
[22:00] <kudar__> -jimmy v
[22:01] <jeanette> kubuntu has always been the hardest to install, always something that goes wrong
[22:01] <jeanette> and i've installed every release since 5.04
[22:02] <kudar__> so you have a very vast understanding of the kernals and distributions...yet you cant install kubuntu
[22:02] <kudar__> hmm
[22:03] <favro> jeanette: do you have a pci sata/pata card to connect your hard disks?
[22:04] <jeanette> kudar__: vast, no, in the past installations were easy, i'm a developer, not a sysadmin
[22:05] <jeanette> favro: no, regular sata on the motherboard
[22:05] <kudar__> developers would have a better understanding....
[22:05] <kudar__> what are you talking about
[22:07] <kudar__> im upgrading to 8.10, my lappy is going to blow up shortly
[22:09] <jeanette> kudar__: why? i don't develop distro installations?
[22:10] <kudar__> im just saying.. a sys admin wouldn't know either
[22:10] <kudar__> as much as a 'developer' in general
[22:11] <jeanette> huge amounts of threads on the ubuntu forums about this problem
[22:11] <jeanette> and no solutions, just guesswork to try "different parameters"
[22:13] <favro> jeanette: it's because the kernels are being built diff  now - I went back to dapper 'cause of it
[22:15] <xomp> halp, I set firefox as my default web browser and if I follow a link say, from irc it's like it wants to open 2 processes but still opens the site in a new tab (this only happens when I have firefox open already).
[22:16] <stdin> open two processes?
[22:16] <xomp> the little hourglass icon sits and spins in the task bar like it is trying to open another instance of firefox but after churning for about 15 secs it goes away and the link is instead opened in a tab
[22:17] <xomp> I would prefer it open the link in a new tab if the browser is already open, instead of this churning with bouncing hourglass stuff in the task bar hehe
[22:17] <stdin> that's just the launch feedback, it's not starting a new process
[22:17] <xomp> oh ok
[22:17] <xomp> it's strange lol
[22:18] <stdin> it's really just there to say "I registered that you wanted to do something, so I'm doing it"
[22:18] <xomp> but does it generally go on for 15 seconds to just open a link?
[22:18] <xomp> I mean the link is already opened and has been for awhile when it does this heh
[22:18] <jeanette> favro: well, i played around with some random settings in the bios and setting "Sata mode" to "ahci" (whatever that is) made it boot
[22:19] <stdin> xomp: it waits for the window manager to say "I just saw the app start", which, when firefox is open, never happens. so it times out
[22:19] <favro> jeanette: well done :) - gonna post that somewhere?
[22:19] <xomp> ahh ok
[22:19] <stdin> firefox should open the link before the timeout though
[22:19] <xomp> it does, just threw me off lol
[22:20] <xomp> stdin, know how I can upgrade to the latest KDE? heh I've asked in #kubuntu-kde4 but it's dead in there :S
[22:20] <stdin> xomp: see the topic in there ;)
[22:20] <stdin> specifically the 1st link
[22:21] <xomp> lol
[22:21] <xomp> I run Gutsy, is that going to be a problem with latest KDE?
[22:22] <jyoseph> I'm confused about what themes to download from kde-look.... I go into kcontrol and try to import them and none of them work
[22:22] <jyoseph> Am I doing something wrong?
[22:22] <stdin> xomp: yeah, only have 4.1.x in hardy and intrepid
[22:22] <stdin> !changethemes
[22:22] <jyoseph> thx stdin
[22:23] <xomp> stdin, ahh ok, well I can't run Hardy as it's updates break things so bad Kernel panics are plentiful lol. Do you know the latest version of KDE I can run on Gutsy?
[22:23] <jeanette> favro: nah, if i could randomly figure it out so will someone else too
[22:23] <favro> hehe
[22:24] <stdin> xomp: I think 4.0.0 is in gutsy-backports
[22:24] <xomp> ok thanks :D
[22:24] <jyoseph> maybe it's just because I'm not used to kde, I dunno
[22:25] <xomp> me neither, but I like it
[22:25] <xomp> I'm no linux master either lol
[22:26] <xomp> so something as seemingly simple as updating your DE is damn near Rocket Surgery for me
[22:26] <xomp> and will more than likely take me 2 weeks to figure out lol
[22:32] <Timmmm> lol rocket surgery
[22:58] <tim_> after I installed kde4 I get "could not start kstartupconfig4" I've tried everything but can't get kde4 to work
[22:58] <tim_> anyone else had this problem?
[22:58] <DreadKnight> anyone here using a tablet pc? (perhaps a toshiba portege)
[22:59] <Walzmyn> !kde4 | tim_
[22:59] <jussi01> tim_: please ask in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:59] <tim_> thanks
[22:59] <Walzmyn> ^what he said, I was trying to find the channel name
[23:09] <reagleBRKLN> is there a guide for sharing printers? I recently converted my  SO's computer to Kubuntu -- same as my server -- but can't find easy way to connect it?
[23:09] <reagleBRKLN> using hardy
[23:13] <Pete_R> hi everyone!where can i get ksynaptics package? it's not in add/remove programs
[23:15] <ign0ramus> Pete_R: i don't believe they've ported it to Hardy.  What exactly do you need to do with the touchpad?
[23:16] <kudar> what is command to get java, flash, etc?
[23:16] <ign0ramus> Pete_R: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351058 will show you how to manually fix it
[23:17] <ign0ramus> Pete_R: OR... you can try gsynaptics, which is still in the repos
[23:17] <Pete_R> 10x :D
[23:17] <ign0ramus> kudar: flash is * sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree *
[23:17] <kudar> no...
[23:17] <ign0ramus> kudar: but i personally like the Flash 10 RC from Adobe.com
[23:17] <kudar> there is one that gets all of them
[23:18] <ign0ramus> kudar: * sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras * ??
[23:18] <kudar> yes
[23:18] <kudar> that is it
[23:19] <ign0ramus> :)
[23:20] <kudar> im running 8.10 and my laptop hasn't exploded yet
[23:20] <ign0ramus> kudar: Congrats!
[23:20] <ign0ramus> kudar: is it all kde4?
[23:21] <kudar> i dont think so
[23:21] <kudar> i upgraded ultimate to 8.10
[23:22] <kudar> everything seems the same
[23:22] <kudar> few minor differences
[23:22] <ign0ramus> kudar: kernel upgrade?
[23:23] <kudar> well... all i did was run update-manager -d
[23:23] <kudar> it showed 8.10
[23:23] <kudar> went through the upgrade steps
[23:23] <ign0ramus> kudar: what does * uname -a * output? (just curious)
[23:24] <artur_> How do i effectively remove something that was installed using the command 'apt-get install'.  I want to do the same that 'dpkg --purge/-P' does, when something was installed using 'dpkg -i'
[23:24] <kudar> Linux ubuntu-kudence 2.6.27-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:02:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[23:24] <stdin> artur_: apt-get --purge remove <package>
[23:25] <artur_> stdin: thank's man!
[23:25] <ign0ramus> kudar: wow, that is a new kernel
[23:25] <kudar> its the newest one
[23:25] <kudar> im trying ot see if my wireless speeds will increase with the upgrade
[23:26] <kudar> i have the dreaded intel 4965
[23:26] <ign0ramus> kudar: in Hardy, with all normal repos enabled, i think its .24-21
[23:26] <kudar> ya, that is true
[23:26] <ign0ramus> stdin: how do i grep to see what intel card i have?
[23:27] <stdin> ign0ramus: graphics card?
[23:27] <ign0ramus> stdin: yeah
[23:27] <stdin> lspci | grep VGA
[23:27] <ign0ramus> oh... VGA
[23:28] <ign0ramus> stdin: and for wireless card?
[23:28] <stdin> 'grep Ethernet' usually shows it, or 'grep Wireless'
[23:28] <zen_> a
[23:29] <kudar> 18925kbps download with wired connection
[23:29] <kudar> lets see how my wireless does
[23:29] <zen_> ubuntu > kbuntu
[23:29] <zen_> =)
[23:30] <ign0ramus> zen_: my opinion > your opinion
[23:30] <zen_> lolz
[23:30] <ign0ramus> exactly :)
[23:30] <kudar> 931 kbps download on wireless
[23:31] <kudar> god i love my wifi card with linux
[23:31] <ign0ramus> kudar: wow... a huge difference
[23:31] <kudar> ya, its a known issue
[23:31] <kudar> im going to mess with some different drivers later
[23:31] <richardbh> hi - does anyone know how i can set my pc up to shut down after 30 minutes of inactivity, regardless of whether anyone logs on or not?
[23:31] <kudar> been spending too much time on this
[23:32] <kudar> its friday
[23:32] <ign0ramus> kudar: do you have the iwl4965 driver?
[23:32] <kudar> it comes preshipped
[23:32] <zen_> am just checking out wots going on here. bored.  wish wine start supporting Helgate london soon
[23:32] <kudar> you should know that...
[23:33] <ign0ramus> kudar: i don't think i have that wireless card... i didn't know that
[23:33] <kudar> ya, that driver has been included in releases for about a year now
[23:34] <ign0ramus> kudar: * lspci -v | less * 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960
[23:34] <kudar> ?
[23:34] <ign0ramus> kudar: i guess i just never had to worry about it
[23:34] <ign0ramus> wait, that's not it
[23:34] <kudar> nothing like getting a brand new laptop and it doesn't perform with linux
[23:35] <zen_> tried the windows wireless drivers yet? want check it out tommorow
[23:35] <kudar> well, the wireless doesn't
[23:35] <ign0ramus> kudar: sorry, i had surgery this morning (sinuses), and am heavily medicated.
[23:35] <kudar> lol
[23:36] <ign0ramus> kudar: good news: it went fine.  bad news: i'm in pain.  good news: heavy painkillers!  :)
[23:38] <zen_> next year you would be able to smell the flowers again hehe. just kidding.
[23:39] <ign0ramus> zen_: no, you're exactly right.  *hopefully* ;)
[23:39] <zen_> anyone tried out Visual studio on ubuntu/kbuntu yet. i know mono can be used for .net languages but sort of hard to use
[23:39] <zen_> atm btw
[23:40] <zen_> and lolz ign0ramus
[23:41] <zen_> XD
[23:43] <zen_> cya
[23:47] <jeanette> heh, now i can't get the intel graphics driver to do anything at all
[23:48] <jeanette> trying to get it to do a bog default 1920x1200 and it bails out with "no screens found"
[23:48] <jeanette> great
[23:53] <jeanette> seems the drivers shipped with hardy are just too old