[02:31] <Raspberry> How do I configure X to recognize my tablet stylus and my scroll by holding  3rd button on my mouse?
[02:31] <Raspberry> I can edit the xorg.conf, but I thought you're not uspposed to do that anymore
[02:33] <Raspberry> anybody else have the problem of screenbalnking on their laptop ... when the screen goes blank and is supposed to trigger the screensaver... it fades to black and never comes back
[02:33] <Raspberry> you have to power cycle the machine to get it back
[02:33] <Raspberry> not even SysReq key combos respond.
[03:15] <pen> do anyone got firefox 3.1 alpha 2 running?
[03:26] <clarkkent4351> Folks, I'm going insane trying to get an xorg.conf set up that will get me beyond 800x600. Tried the usual tricks; most just wipe and replace the file, but no better. Clue: System->Prefs->ScreenResolution always shows "0Hz" refresh as the only option. Help?
[03:27] <clarkkent4351> Res up to 1280x1024 work in U8.04.
[03:27] <jumpkic1> Is there an recommended easy way to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid like via a GUI?  or does one need to edit sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:28] <RAOF> jumpkic1: Yes; see the release notes.
[03:29] <RAOF> clarkkent4351: You'll need to pastebin your Xorg.0.log before anyone will be able to help you.
[03:32] <clarkkent4351> Here's my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d2c82aefc
[03:33] <clarkkent4351> ... and my xorg.conf, conveniently scrogged by nvidia-xconfig to remove all the Modelines... :)  http://pastebin.com/m512f2055
[03:33] <clarkkent4351> thanks
[03:35] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: hahaha,,,  next month eh
[03:36] <RAOF> jumpkic1: No; any of the alpha's release notes will contain instructions & caveats.
[03:37] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: oh, okay
[03:37] <jumpkic1> I'll have a look
[03:38] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview
[03:38] <RAOF> clarkkent4351: Hm.  That doesn't make sense; you're using VESA in the log.  As a first blush, I'd guess that your nvidia kernel module is not properly built.
[03:38] <RAOF> clarkkent4351: I'd suggest that you try "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source", to try and get dkms to rebuild the module for you.
[03:39] <clarkkent4351> @RAOF: awesome; I was looking for that tidbit. Will try it now.
[03:48] <clarkkent4351> reinstalled nvidia 177 drivers; confirmed loaded (system->admin->hardware drivers), reran nvidia-xconfig; no change. Both xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/mdb54bfe . ANy other ideas?
[03:50] <RAOF> clarkkent4351: Do you actually have the nvidia-glx-177 package installed?
[03:52] <clarkkent4351> RAOF: yes, ver 177.70-0ubuntu1
[03:53] <clarkkent4351> and my card (6150 LE) is listed as supported
[03:54] <RAOF> Then I'm unable to tell you why X doesn't appear to even be _trying_ to load the nvidia driver.
[03:55] <RAOF> Although your X is outdated; 1.5 should be available now.
[03:56] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: thanks, the bit about "sudo update-manager -d" was what I was looking for
[03:56] <clarkkent4351> :( thanks for trying. I can try updating X (although it's not coming through Update Manager); would appreciate a clue on how.
[03:56] <RAOF> clarkkent4351: Just to be sure, can you pastebin 'ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules'?
[03:56] <RAOF> Sorry; /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
[03:58] <clarkkent4351> RAOF: http://pastebin.com/d2861a048
[04:01] <RAOF> I'm stumped.  X doesn't even seem to be _trying_ to load the nvidia driver, and the nvidia driver seems to be in the right place.
[04:02] <Solarion> hey all
[04:02] <Solarion> anyone know what's causing dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed.
[04:02] <Solarion> ?
[04:03] <clarkkent4351> Solarion: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/55641
[04:04] <clarkkent4351> RAOF: roger; seems like that's what xorg.conf should be doing for me. Bug?
[04:06] <DanaG> Argh, failsafe X is a pain in the $BODY_PART.
[04:06] <Solarion> clarkkent4351: those are very old
[04:06] <RAOF> Failsafe X doesn't trigger for me; I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm not displeased.
[04:06] <DanaG> It starts failsafe, so I go to terminal to rebuild nvidia (because dkms didn't work!  multiple versions!)... and then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop.
[04:06] <DanaG> ........... doesn't work.
[04:07] <DanaG> I killall Xorg, and then end up with TWO x servers.... one failsafe, and one normal one with a crashing greeter.
[04:07] <DanaG> ... and then I have to killall -9 gdm and Xorg.......... and then end up with an entirely blank black screen, thanks to nvidia.
[04:08] <Solarion> hmm, seems to be python-tk and/or scribus (deps on python-tk)
[04:09] <jumpkic1> does anyone know if the situation with alsa and the kernel alsa being different versions is fixed in intrepid?
[04:11] <Solarion> DanaG: :(
[04:12] <DanaG> ugh, stupid vboxgtk.... won't show my VMs, but won't let me register them because they already exist.
[04:12] <Solarion> DanaG: Getting the nvidia driver going was extremely tricky for me too
[04:12] <Solarion> stupid nvidia
[04:12] <DanaG> It's not hard... but the failsafe-X gets in the way repeatedly and persistently.
[04:12] <DanaG> Failsafe X.... is evil.
[04:12] <RAOF> jumpkic1: What issue?
[04:13] <DanaG> We need a better way to disable it without editing gdm.conf, because such edits get lost when I have to accept new versions of gdm.conf.
[04:13] <Solarion> DanaG: it was for me.  Things kept randomly wanting to hork my xorg so that I only got 800x600 or even 640x480!
[04:13] <DanaG> Solarion: take a look at this:
[04:13] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[04:14] <Solarion> DanaG: ouch
[04:14] <Solarion> I, for one, welcome or xorg.conf-less overlords of the near future.  However, the present is a painful transition
[04:14] <DanaG> Here's a Windowblinds theme called Solarion, just for random amusement: http://stardockdesign.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6287&libid=1
[04:15] <Solarion> meh
[04:15] <DanaG> Yeah, same reaction from me.
[04:15] <Solarion> windows is pretty irrelevant to me
[04:15] <DanaG> Show me how to play HL2 with surround sound in Linux.... and I can ditch Windows.
[04:15] <DanaG> That's essentially my last link to needing Windows.  Office stuff? Openoffice or Wine.
[04:16] <Solarion> DanaG: they develop where the money is.
[04:16] <Solarion> If you give them money for a Windows version of HL2, then they will keep giving you Windows versions of HL2.
[04:16] <Solarion> Since it's a game, I personally don't see a need to give them money to make me use Windows.
[04:16] <Solarion> of course, hardcore gamers deride me, but that's my take on it.
[04:17]  * Solarion moves on
[04:18] <DanaG> Eeh, I won't mock you -- hey, it's personal preference, and I'm not one of those 'bashers'.
[04:18] <Reed_Solomon> its more of a wine question than an ubuntu question
[04:19] <Reed_Solomon> I suppose it might be possible under codega?
[04:19] <DanaG> Not with surround sound; that's the bummer.
[04:19] <Reed_Solomon> pff
[04:20] <jumpkic1> RAOF: its hard to explain, but basically drivers that compile against alsa headers don't work because the kernel and the alsa-dev packages are based on different releases of alsa
[04:20] <jumpkic1> http://nikosapi.org/wiki/index.php/WIS_Go7007_Linux_driver#Ubuntu_Hardy_with_kernel_.3C.3D_2.6.46-17
[04:20] <jumpkic1> sort of talks about it
[04:20] <Solarion> anyhow, if someone wants to know why they're getting that error I mentioned, python-tk and/or scribus is why.
[04:21] <Reed_Solomon> latest compiz is slooooooow
[04:21] <Reed_Solomon> in ubuntu
[04:22] <jumpkic1> you end up with WARNING: "snd_rawmidi_set_ops" [...] undefined!
[04:23] <jumpkic1> when you compile standalone modules
[04:23] <jumpkic1> and a whole bunch of other similar alsa function undefines
[04:23] <RAOF> Well, that should be working in Intrepid, yes.
[04:23] <RAOF> I suppose that very few people test it, which is why no one caught it for Hardy.
[04:25] <RAOF> Cool.  A hardware mpeg4 (presumably ASP) encoder?
[04:25] <Reed_Solomon> i heard about that
[04:26] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: kind of unfortunate that its in an LTS release
[04:26] <RAOF> I'm not sure how _useful_ it'd be; my cpu can certainly encode to mpeg4 asp in substantially better than real-time, but it's still cool.
[04:26] <RAOF> jumpkic1: Is there a bug filed?
[04:27] <RAOF> jumpkic1: It _might_ be a simple enough fix to make it worth an SRU.
[04:27] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: yeah I ran across several bugs that I thought were related
[04:27] <DanaG> Argh, the older laptop will not unlock the gnome keyring at (auto-)login.
[04:28] <jumpkic1> ﻿RAOF: given the number of things that depend on Alsa I doubt it would be simple
[04:29] <bsnider> DanaG, you can blow the gnome-keyring away
[04:29] <DanaG> libpam-gnome-keyring does not work under auto-login.
[04:30] <DanaG> Everything I've tried has either broken login, not unlocked the keyring, or made gdm ask for "password for auto-login" -- even though I have it set PASSWORDLESS!
[04:30] <bsnider> there's a hidden diretory you can delete and hten it will not ask for the password for the keyring but will just use the stored passwords the keying was protecting anyway
[04:30]  * DanaG supresses momentary angry voice
[04:30] <DanaG> Argh, Toshiba hotkeys don
[04:31] <DanaG> don't work.
[04:31] <Reed_Solomon> thats surprising, considering what a great linux supporter toshiba is
[04:31] <bsnider> i believe it's ~/.gnome2/keyrings
[04:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[04:31] <Reed_Solomon> cough
[04:33]  * DanaG edited the name:
[04:33] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[04:33] <LSD|Ninja> So, xorg broke something yet it'll be spun as being Toshibas fault?
[04:33] <DanaG> No, a new kernel driver is what broke it.
[04:33] <DanaG> It's a raw "input" device that doesn't support the "kbd" handler.
[04:34] <DanaG> Thus... it's not a keyboard, and Xorg can't use it.
[04:34] <DanaG> ... and the consoles won't use it, either.
[04:41] <Killeroid> Apparently, today is hug a developer day. anyone know any hot developers i could hug(i am extremely huggable)
[04:45] <DanaG> I can't say I know any developers.
[04:45] <DanaG> er, I don't know any of the Ubuntu developers personally.
[04:45]  * mneptok does, and can pass along cash bribes ...
[04:47] <Killeroid> mneptok: i invested my savings in some nigerian prince's endeavour to get claim him millions from some bank. I will send along some of those cash bribes when the investment pays.
[04:47] <Killeroid> *pays off
[04:48] <mneptok> Killeroid: Thank you, friend coming from Internets. I am Mister Udwillanohgono Swesimele, late Finance Minister for Gambia. Please to do the needful.
[04:51] <DanaG> ummm... whatever.
[04:51] <ajmitch> mneptok: how much $ do you need sir?
[04:52] <Killeroid> "late Finance Minister for Gambia" , damn, nigerian zombies already!!
[04:52] <mneptok> ajmitch: all of it?
[04:52]  * ajmitch scrounges in his pockets for loose change
[04:53] <Killeroid> talking  of loose change, anyone knows when stop and shop usually closes, i have a bucket of pennies that i need to go chane into bills
[04:53] <mneptok> lol
[04:54] <mneptok> yes, everyone, worldwide, knows when a northeast US grocery chain closes.
[04:54] <Killeroid> well, if you recognize and know what a stop and shop is, that you live in the northeast and know the time it closes
[04:55] <mneptok> i live in the northeast. but not US.
[04:56] <Killeroid> hah, pardon me then, i meant, northeast US
[04:57] <yuri_> annoying problem: the screen goes black randomly. i can call up a virtual terminal but looks like X screws up. I have acer aspire one and alpha 5
[04:58] <yuri_> did not have this prob in 8.04)
[04:58] <mneptok> yuri_: then you should run 8.04 until Intrepid is released ;)
[04:58] <RAOF> Or file a bug, of course.
[04:58] <RAOF> Or possibly both.
[04:59] <yuri_> gah. tired of reinstalling
[05:00] <mneptok> yuri_: then don;t run pre-release software ;)
[05:00] <yuri_> yea i know, i just never learn my lesson
[05:01] <yuri_> especially that "dont put it on a production computer" part
[05:02] <yuri_> is glxgears supposed to be broken in 8.10?
[05:02] <literal> works here
[05:02] <RAOF> Works here, too, with any number of drivers ;
[05:03] <RAOF> Also, I don't know why so many people ask those sorts of questions.
[05:03] <RAOF> "Is $FOO supposed to be broken".  No.  Of course it isn't!
[05:03] <LSD|Ninja> but it's Linux so deal with it
[05:03] <LSD|Ninja> :P
[05:04] <DanaG> I know what I'm getting into when I switch to the development repos.
[05:04] <RAOF> yuri_: If you'd like some help determining whether...
[05:04] <RAOF> Oh.
[05:10] <pen> how's intrepid?
[05:10] <pen> good?
[05:10] <pen> so far?
[05:11] <bsnider> in my subjective opinion, no
[05:16] <danbhfive> hehe
[05:17] <danbhfive> bsnider: I tried out the ath9k driver in intrepid (if you remember me).  Works great.  Far better than ndiswrapper in Hardy
[05:17] <LSD|Ninja> Anything is better than ndiswrapper
[05:17] <danbhfive> hehe, well, not madwifi : P
[05:18] <teratoma> i don't see any difference than hardy yet (besides random freezing)
[05:18] <danbhfive> teratoma: look at the release notes for alpha 5.  I think it covers the major changes
[05:19] <LSD|Ninja> danbhfive: If your Atheros is supported, madwifi is better than ndiswrapper too. Ubuntu are just a little slow on the uptake.
[05:20] <bsnider> danbhfive, what kind of router are you connecting to?
[05:20] <danbhfive> LSD|Ninja: yeah, I really don't know.  I just tried a guide on madwifi, and it didn't work/caused computer lockups.  ndiswrapper works like crap, but at least it works.  And as soon as intrepid is beta, imma upgrading, at which I get native support!!  woo hoo!
[05:20] <danbhfive> bsnider: honestly, its some sort of g router, from verizon
[05:21] <bsnider> i can't for the life of me get it to connect to the new-ish d-link
[05:21] <bsnider> but i'm glad it works for you
[05:22] <danbhfive> http://www.fibercrap.com/article/actiontec-mi424wr-router-fios-weapon-of-choice-1150-1.html
[05:22] <danbhfive> I think thats it
[05:22] <bsnider> d-link card, d-link router, and htey can't come to an agreement
[05:22] <LSD|Ninja> danbhfive: you have an ath9k, support for those is kinda flaky
[05:22]  * DanaG likes his dd-wrt router.
[05:23] <danbhfive> LSD|Ninja: I've been getting great results in intrepid.  The only problem is that the bit rate is reported incorrectly, but that practically just a cosmetic issue
[05:36] <RyanPrior> How come wxMaxima hasn't been updated in more than 2 years?
[05:36] <RyanPrior> It hasn't been updated since Feisty.
[05:37] <bsnider> because nobody cares enough
[05:37] <RAOF> RyanPrior: Because no one cares about it, presuably.
[05:37] <pwnguin> !info wxmaxima
[05:37] <bsnider> RyanPrior, no one is stopping you from packaging it yourself
[05:38] <pwnguin> RyanPrior: you might see what the debian maintianer is up to
[05:38] <RyanPrior> I will try to package it for Intrepid and get it into Jaunty.
[05:39] <RyanPrior> I assume the current Debian maintainer is no longer active, but I'll have to try to get in contact.
[05:39] <RyanPrior> I'
[05:39] <RyanPrior> I've never done packages, but it's something I constantly feel the need to learn.
[05:40] <pwnguin> it should be pretty simple in this case
[05:40] <RAOF> It's pretty easy, mechanically.
[05:41] <bsnider> RAOF, dkms was such a good idea, if it didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it. where did it come from?
[05:42] <RyanPrior> bsnider: Dell developed dkms.
[05:43] <pwnguin> heh
[05:43] <pwnguin> shocking
[05:43] <bsnider> finally, dell is giving something back after taking so, so much
[05:43] <pwnguin> wth
[05:44]  * DanaG likes HP.
[05:44] <RyanPrior> Ubuntu is often accused of taking a lot while not giving a whole lot back, but the fact is that Ubuntu gets Free Software to far more users, leading to more testing and feedback and eventually more developers. Can the same not be said of Dell?
[05:44] <DanaG> And HP seems to like kernel.org -- they like giving them lots of new servers.
[05:48] <pen> how's intrepid?
[05:48] <pen> good?
[05:49] <pwnguin> hp's been involved with debian for a long time it seems
[05:49] <RAOF> It's an Ubuntu development release?  It's got shiny new stuff, and sometimes breaks.
[05:51] <bsnider> pen, especially good at browsing high-quality pr0n. no, wait, what RAOF said
[05:51] <pen> bsnider, good!!! that's what everyone is after for. that's why we need os
[05:51] <bsnider> you said it
[05:52] <pen> bsnider, so what? you dislike pr0n?
[05:53] <pen> bsnider, I believe you are a healthy young man?
[05:54]  * DanaG ♥ the broken gtk-window-decorator theme.
[05:54] <RAOF> Broken?
[05:54] <DanaG> Glitchy.
[05:54] <DanaG> It
[05:54] <bsnider> no, i'm a 75-year-old sexual eunuch
[05:54] <DanaG> It'll show all grey, except for a little triangle of orange.
[05:55] <RAOF> DanaG: Aaah, sweet nvidia bugs.
[05:55] <DanaG> Either that, or it'll show only one button, on an 'inactive' background... for an active window.
[05:55] <pen> DanaG, ?? broken for intrepid?
[05:56] <RAOF> And hardy, too.
[05:56] <RAOF> It's an nvidia bug.
[05:57] <DanaG> So, it really is nvidia?  Nice.
[05:57] <DanaG> Just another thing to add to my growing list "why I'm getting ATI next time"
[05:57] <DanaG> s/growing/ever-growing/
[05:58] <bsnider> DanaG, you CANNOT be SERIOUS
[05:59] <pen> oh.
[06:00] <bsnider> DanaG, if you get ati, you will never, ever have direct rendering opengl.
[06:01] <DanaG> Oh, really?
[06:01] <DanaG> What do you call, OPEN SPECS?
[06:01] <bsnider> no hardware accelerated 3d
[06:01] <DanaG> I've had nothing but pain with nvidia, in both Windows and Linux.
[06:01] <bsnider> it will never happen
[06:01] <bsnider> nvidia's driver is by far the best for linux, it's the only driver for linux as far as i'm concerned
[06:01] <RAOF> bsnider: r500 and r600 already run Compiz on mesa git.
[06:02] <crdlb> RAOF: r600? :o
[06:02] <RAOF> I'm unsure about the status of r700; that's getting a gallium driver, so it gets a bit trickier.
[06:02] <bsnider> if you think you've had problems now, go into phoronix's forums and look at all of the ati threads complainging about basic stuff
[06:02] <crdlb> wow
[06:02] <pwnguin> so wait a minute
[06:03] <pwnguin> the r500 drivers aren't "direct rendering openGL?"
[06:03] <RAOF> crdlb: Last I heard, r500 & r600.
[06:03]  * RAOF has direct rendering OpenGL on the nv drivers, incidentally.
[06:03] <bsnider> pwnguin, not with hardware acceleration, no
[06:03] <DanaG> Well, even if ATI is crap, I'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap.
[06:03] <pwnguin> lol
[06:03] <bsnider> DanaG, so for you it's an ideological issue
[06:04] <DanaG> Well, all other things equal.
[06:04] <bsnider> it's not about performance
[06:04] <DanaG> The only Linux 3D thing I use is compiz.
[06:04] <RAOF> Although ati cards are _also_ faster at the moment.
[06:04] <DanaG> For games, I use Windows.
[06:04] <bsnider> RAOF, aren't we using a beta driver at the moment?
[06:04] <Reed_Solomon> yeah ATI has gotten a lot better lately
[06:05] <RAOF> bsnider: I mean, their hardware + windows drivers are faster than nvidia.
[06:05] <SwedeMike> what ATI card should I purchase that's available right now if I want a cheap one with working FOSS 2D acceleration?
[06:05] <Reed_Solomon> my thinkpad came with intel or nvidia, had to chose intel cause the drivers are open
[06:05] <bsnider> RAOF, ati hardware on windows you mean?
[06:05] <RAOF> SwedeMike: Actually, I think _anything_ will give you working FOSS 2D accel.
[06:06] <LSD|Ninja> Yeah, 2D was never a problem. It was always 3D that gave you grief
[06:06] <RAOF> bsnider: Yes.  Since really high-powered 3d tends to get benchmarked on windows.
[06:06] <SwedeMike> RAOF: interesting... because my nvidia experience so far has been really bad, I've had to run the restricted drivers to get anything working
[06:06] <LSD|Ninja> Radeon 48x0 kicks the crap out of nVidia on price/performance right now. At lkeast under Windows.
[06:06] <RAOF> SwedeMike: You could probably also try the nouveau drivers; they've got (really, really) good 2d accel.  If they work at all.
[06:06] <bsnider> RAOF, windows/directx is a better graphics platform.
[06:07] <RAOF> [Citation needed]
[06:07] <RAOF> bsnider: Also, doesn't really matter; I'm talking about ATI vs nVidia on the same (windows) platform.
[06:08] <DanaG> The laptop I'll be getting will have only a 3650, unfortunately.
[06:08] <RAOF> SwedeMike: Oh, I should probably further qualify my praise of the nouveau drivers.  If you've got a nv4x (or probably nv3x) card, they kick arse.  That's Geforce 6,7, or Geforce 5
[06:09] <DanaG> Yeah... nouvea is slower than nv on a geforce4-mx-is-really-a-2 card.
[06:09] <SwedeMike> RAOF: ah, neatness, I have gforce 6, 7 and 8 cards actually, so that sounds fine
[06:10] <RAOF> SwedeMike: The geforce 8 won't be well supported, but the 6 & 7 will be.
[06:10] <DanaG> this is the laptop I'll be getting... once I can customize for ATI and WUXGA:   http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3329741-3781677.html
[06:11] <RAOF> SwedeMike: You can even get totally, utterly unsupported and incomplete 3d acceleration (and XvMC, now) with nv4x!
[06:13] <netdur> I have toshiba laptop with 'Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller' Intrepid for some reason installed invidia drivers, it works fine but there no compiz for me, hardy did not have this problem, it would install correct drivers and enable compiz by default
[06:14] <RAOF> netdur: Yeah, that was a packaging bug.  Remove the nvidia drivers and your 3d will unbreak.
[06:15] <LSD|Ninja> You don't need to install any drivers for Intel
[06:16] <lymeca> Will 8.10 have KDE4 by default in Kubuntu?
[06:16] <RAOF> Yes.
[06:16] <lymeca> Will KDE3 be available?
[06:16] <RAOF> I don't believe so, no.
[06:16] <lymeca> Cool
[06:17] <RAOF> But I'm less sure about that.
[06:19] <netdur> RAOF: is this known bug? I don't need to report it! right?
[06:20] <RAOF> netdur: Right.  It's already been fixed.
[06:20] <gx009_> compiz is not ready for 8.10 yet
[06:20] <RAOF> But you'll still have the nvidia driver left over, since we obviously can't remove it :)
[06:21] <SwedeMike> RAOF: well, I don't run any 3d applications, so that's fine. if I can get 1920x1200 DVI working with 2D acceleration I'm happy.
[06:21] <netdur> do you mean xserver-xorg-video-nv?
[06:22] <bsnider> RAOF, if nouveau is so great, why isn't it in intrepid?
[06:22] <crdlb> netdur: probably some nvidia-glx-* package
[06:23] <netdur> crdlb: I could remove them easily
[06:23] <RAOF> bsnider: Because it requires an unreleased version of libdrm, and I don't particularly feel like maintaining the bottom of the entire free 3d stack.
[06:24] <crdlb> netdur: yes, and you should
[06:24] <RAOF> That's why the PPA is so great.  If people's computers combust, I can just say "whoops!  Well, you knew there could be problems when you signed up".
[06:25] <RAOF> Heh.  That's awesome.  gnome-power-manager will only start if my battery is > 25% charged.
[06:26] <LSD|Ninja> heh, I think nouveau exploded on my system. it doesn't particularly matter, I didn't really care about that install anyway not to mention the machine is in a million pieces right now because I needed it's motherboard temporarily for something more importany
[06:26] <gx009_> test bed for progress
[06:31] <bsnider> RAOF, why are the newer cards unlikely to ever be supported by nouveau?
[06:33] <crdlb> bsnider: when did he say that?
[06:34] <RAOF> bsnider: Many of them are already supported.  But nv5x is pretty different to what came before, and so it's less well supported.
[06:34] <RAOF> Also, I think it really needs a memory manager before it can be done right; there's some playground work being done in that direction.
[06:35] <RAOF> Basically, what I meant was: If you've got an nv0x -> nv4x card, and nouveau doesn't at least bring up X and give you spiffy dual-head support, I'd be surprised.
[06:35] <bsnider> payground work with gem?
[06:35] <RAOF> And TTM, yes.
[06:36] <RAOF> (Rumours of TTM's death have been greatly overstated)
[06:36] <bsnider> if they try to use ttm keith packard will cut their throats
[06:36] <bsnider> packard thinks ttm is already out of date
[06:36] <RAOF> Both nouveau and radeon are using both TTM and GEM, if I understand it right.
[06:37] <LSD|Ninja> nv5x is what, GeForce FX? Are they even worth bothering to support? :P
[06:37] <Ayabara> I'm considering upgrading to Intrepid today. Is it in a happy state at the moment?
[06:37] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: nv5x is Geforce 8/9
[06:37] <bsnider> i think what happened is dave airlie modified ttm to use gem
[06:37] <bsnider> and packard said that was incomprehensible
[06:37] <RAOF> GEM is apparently a fairly sparse and driver-neutral interface, and you can use parts of TTM to implement GEM
[06:39] <RAOF> Surprisingly enough, an GPU memory manager interface designed for cards with no onboard vram _at all_ doesn't map entirely cleanly onto cards with 2GB of vram on them.
[06:40] <bsnider> it will be hashed out when intl buys ati
[06:40] <crdlb> erm
[06:40] <crdlb> you realize that amd owns ati?
[06:40] <LSD|Ninja> Intel can't touch ATi, not unless AMD sell it first
[06:40] <bsnider> intel will buy amd
[06:40] <crdlb> hahahahahahahah
[06:40] <LSD|Ninja> They won't be able to
[06:40] <bsnider> amd is already dead on its feet
[06:41] <crdlb> you're crazy if you think the US gov would allow that
[06:41] <LSD|Ninja> Antitrust will jump on them like a ton of bricks is Intel try and buy AMD/ATi
[06:41] <bsnider> maybe, maybe not
[06:41] <bsnider> a lot of consolidation has taken place, and amd will be facing death either way
[06:42] <crdlb> plus intel already dominates the GPU market
[06:43] <bsnider> cpu you mean
[06:43] <RAOF> No, GPU.
[06:43] <LSD|Ninja> bsnider: no, GPU as well
[06:43] <RAOF> Intel sell more gpus than everyone else combined.
[06:43] <LSD|Ninja> Intel have had majority market share in graphics for quite some years now
[06:44] <bsnider> but not high-end gpus
[06:44] <LSD|Ninja> nVidia are catching up slowly, though
[06:44] <bsnider> they'd need ati for that
[06:44] <LSD|Ninja> bsnider: high-end isn';t where the money is
[06:44] <RAOF> And Intel's moving high-end with laribee, anyway.
[06:44] <LSD|Ninja> AMD bought ATi to compete in the low- to mid-range IGP market where Intel walk all over everyone else
[06:45] <RAOF> Although that's not so much as a GPU as it's a hugely parallel vector compute unit disguised as a GPU.
[06:46] <LSD|Ninja> If AMD collapse in in themselves then the best company to buy the remains would probably be Samsung. Intel would probably start packing their dacks if that happened
[06:47] <LSD|Ninja> AMD have a bit of time to pull themselves togehter though, Intel don't launch Nehalem on the desktop until next year
[06:49] <bsnider> why samsung exactly?
[06:53] <LSD|Ninja> They're the biggest chipmaker in the world, iirc. If they were to become a force in x86 CPUs by aquiring AMDs fabs and tech then Intel would sit up and take notice
[07:14] <DanaG> Grr, stupid nvidia geforce*cough*two*cough*
[07:14] <DanaG> They call it a 4, but it's not.
[07:15] <DanaG> ... yet, because they call it a 4, it gets the 96 drivers -- but for some reason, jockey suggests the 71 drivers.
[07:21] <LSD|Ninja> Do the 71 and 96 drivers even work again yet?
[07:25] <DanaG> Nope.
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I was better off with the S3 Savage in a different old laptop I have around here.
[07:26] <DanaG> At least Savage did 2D accel.
[07:26] <DanaG> And it wasn't über-suck on scrolling.
[07:41] <vega--> err, at some point intrepid has removed fglrx and installed the nvidia drivers on an ATI machine
[07:41] <vega--> no wonder i get the "low graphics mode" crap
[07:43] <ompaul> vega--, update and hit launchpad with that one
[08:30] <ronny> yo
[08:31] <ronny> anyone knowns how i can keep network manager from disconnecting my other networks when connecting a usb network device (my openmoko frerunner)
[08:31]  * DanaG wonders: how will we be able to pass options to, say, the 'nvidia' xorg module, once everything moves over to autodetection?
[08:31] <ronny> i already configured usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[08:31] <ronny> didnt help
[08:32] <Ayabara> doesn't the restricted driver manager work in 8.10?
[08:32] <Ayabara> I lost my dual screen config when I installed Intrepid
[08:49] <Ayabara> I need some help to setup dual screen on my laptop. aticonfig doesn't like the format of xorg.conf anymore...
[08:55] <Ayabara> anyone with an ati card who can help? is there an ati driver out there that works with the new xorg.conf?
[09:23] <Martiini> someone explain to me why firefox-2 is broken ... firefox-2: Depends: libhunspell-1.1-0 (>=1.1.6-1) but it is not installable
[09:50] <atari2600a> hay
[09:50] <atari2600a> what's t hat apt-get arguement to get ubuntu using the 8.10 repositories again?
[09:51] <atari2600a> ?
[09:55] <TheInfinity> you could just edit your sources.list file ;)
[09:56] <atari2600a> yeah
[09:56] <atari2600a> but that's boring! :P
[10:01] <knittl> was it update-manager -d ?
[10:02] <Ayabara> Has anyone got a working dual-screen setup with ati graphics?
[10:02] <Ayabara> or even a working atidriver w/aticonfig
[10:27] <Oli``> Why is update manager trying to install all the xserver-xorg-video-* drivers? Is that right?
[10:30] <RAOF> Yes, that's right.
[10:32] <mickep> When I tried alpha5 from the live CD I was asked to use keyring for the password for the wlan. When I upgraded my 8.04 to alpha5 this does not happen. How can I enable the keyring method?
[10:38] <Ayabara> I finally found out that fglrx on 8.10 doesn't work. How can I get dual screen without it?
[10:38] <RAOF> With the ati driver.
[10:39] <RAOF> I believe that System->Preferences->Screen Resolution now has the final piece of xorg.conf magic required to do dual screen without manually touching xorg.conf.
[10:41] <Ayabara> RAOF: ahh. it seems that is do :)
[10:41] <Ayabara> thanks
[10:42] <LSD|Ninja> Does Sys -> Prefs -> Resolution now work for all of xorg and not just the user that runs it?
[10:43] <RAOF> Just the user that runs it
[10:43] <Ayabara> gah. after configuring and entering my password, I get: "policygui.py" closed unexpectedly
[10:43] <Ayabara> and "Monitor Resolution Settings" stops responding
[10:43] <LSD|Ninja> RAOF: So it's still almost completely useless then
[10:44] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Why?
[10:45] <LSD|Ninja> If/when the auto detector gets it wrong you should be able to fix it from end to end without touching a config file
[10:45] <Ayabara> maybe I can start "monitor resolution settings" from a shell as root?
[10:46] <Ayabara> (how?)
[10:46] <RAOF> Ayabara: I'd file a bug; starting as root is unlikely to make policykit happy :)
[10:46] <RAOF> LSD|Ninja: Because, in some circumstances, it can fail it's almost completely useless?
[10:47] <LSD|Ninja> OK. The auto detector gets it wrong so you're looking at 1280x1024 when you really want 1024x768. You run the one in prefs and you get your 1024x768 but log out again and gdm is back at 1280x1024
[10:48] <RAOF> Right.  So, that would be a problem, yes.
[10:49] <RAOF> I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have a way of doing what you want.  Just that Screen Resolution doesn't _aim_ to do it, and is certainly useful for what it aims to do.
[10:49] <LSD|Ninja> The stupid thing is that Ubuntu actually had a panel that got this somewhat right but it was deprecated going into hardy and now isn't nearly as effective as it should be
[10:53] <Ayabara> RAOF: is there a way I can make the changes manually? which file ends up being modified?
[10:55] <RAOF> Ayabara: /etc/X11/xorg.conf; and the change is the addition of a Virtual line.
[10:55] <RAOF> !xrandr | Ayabara
[10:56] <Ayabara> RAOF: thanks a lot.
[10:56] <Ayabara> one more thing. how do I know that the ati driver is the one active?
[10:56] <RAOF> By checking out Xorg.0.log
[10:57] <RAOF> Yay!  nvidia-glx-177's dual head no longer sucks! Wooooo!
[10:57] <minimec> Hi. I am a little bit confused about the driver I should use for my ATI x1250 in Intrepid. The restricted driver and the 'jockey' application don't work until now. The opensource 'ati' driver doesn't work either. The 'radeonhd' gives me a flickering screen... So I am on vesa until now. Can anyone confirm the 'problems' I have with the 'ati' driver?
[10:59] <Ayabara> RAOF: a loadmodule: "ati" has to be a good sign :)
[11:04] <Ayabara> RAOF: my "Screen"-section looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46127/. How can I put a line in there to get a Virtual screen on my external 1600x1200 monitor?
[11:09] <Ayabara> RAOF: I'm trying to get a dualscreen setup for a laptop monitor of 1400x1050 with an external screen of 1600x1200
[11:38] <Martiini> I feel that linux users are being ignored on every level .. I appreciate all the work Shuttleworth and ubuntu have done .. but ubuntu still doesnt work like its supposed to
[11:38] <Martiini> Launchpad looks like an adverstisement for ubuntu not bugtracker
[11:42] <gaminggeek> Martiini: stop trolling this channel
[11:47] <Flimm> Is anyone else having trouble accessing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/ ?
[11:49] <bazhang> Flimm, loads fine, just a bit slow
[11:52] <Flimm> Strange.
[12:30] <afief> Anybody else lost his gnome-session executable in a recent upgrade?
[12:34] <milosz> how can i enable autologin?
[12:35] <BUGabundo_work> milosz: administration -> login window
[12:36] <milosz> BUGabundo_work, what is the associated executable called? (i don't have such a menu item)
[12:36] <zniavre> gdmsetup
[12:36] <markmuetz> Hi chaps, upgraded last weekend, today on reboot I had lost my DNS settings (could still ping e.g. 64.233.187.99 but not google.com). Solution was to use download intrepid gnome-network-admin_XXX.deb and install it on my computer, then redo my DNS settings. Why had network-admin disappeared (is this a bug? or is it something to do with a new (v. buggy) network admin?) and should I raise this as a bug?
[12:37] <milosz> why i'm missing that item is pretty wondrous to begin with
[12:37] <milosz> zniavre, thx
[12:37] <BUGabundo_work> milosz: let me ps auxw it
[12:38] <BUGabundo_work> milosz: gdmsetup
[12:39] <milosz> ok yeah
[13:36] <qiv> hi
[13:36] <qiv> after the last upgrade my network does not work anymore ...
[13:36] <qiv> what network pakages did they change today? ;)
[13:36] <qiv> any ideas what it could be?
[13:54] <repete1> ping
[14:00] <chronographer> hi all. updated today, new kernel didn't update with nvida correctly, could someone help me with this error: http://pastebin.com/m366c623
[14:01] <BUGabundo_work> chronographer: I haven't got the nvidia working evershince 2.6.27-1
[14:02] <chronographer> hmm me neither
[14:02] <chronographer> i read this, thought it might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5670471&postcount=74: but didn't
[14:58] <laughtear> where can we talk about advices for developers from users?
[15:00] <laughtear> anybody hear?
[15:02] <danbh_intrepid> anyone else having net problems with the latest kernel?
[15:04] <IdleOne> laughtear: check out this link http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[15:05] <IdleOne> danbh_intrepid: knock on wood!. I am doing nicely with this kernel :)
[15:05] <laughtear> okay, anybody wonders about my opinion here? it's an easy thing about trash can
[15:06] <x1250> last updates screwed up my touchpad. Clicking on the touchpad seems work only sometimes, rather randomly. Buttons work ok though. Anyone else is having this issue?
[15:07] <danbh_intrepid> im having network issues
[15:08] <IdleOne> x1250: check the touchpad prefs see if you can't adjust them to your liking
[15:10] <x1250> IdleOne, prefs are ok. This happend after upgrading today.
[15:12] <IdleOne> x1250: my touchpad is working fine but I disable it. prefer using usb mouse
[15:13] <x1250> clicking on the touchpad works only sometimes in here. Sometimes I have to click 3 times, or even 4 to make it work. Today updates upgraded a lot of xorg packages. :/
[15:14] <ronny> hmm
[15:15] <ronny> again: hwo the hek do i keep intrepids network manager from disconnectiong my other network connections when i put in a usb network device thats allready preconfigured in /etc/network/interfaces
[15:15] <ronny> it worked just fine on hardy,
[15:21] <danbh_intrepid> ronny: im having similar issues
[15:21] <ronny> danbh_intrepid: yeah, and nobody here seems to feel responsible
[15:22] <danbh_intrepid> why should they?
[15:23] <ronny> danbh_intrepid: well, i was explicitly send over here for intrepid issues
[15:23] <danbh_intrepid> ronny: yeah,  whether anyone can help you or not,  this is the only place for intrepid issues
[15:24] <Solarion> anyone know why my eee 901 locks up whenever the screen is blanked?
[15:24] <Martiini> can I ask something and expect to get an honest answer about ubuntu or debian system reliability
[15:24] <Martiini> in this channel here
[15:25] <mickep> Martiini: I am new inhere, but I guess: just ask.
[15:27] <Martiini> i want to know ubout system updates and how they are managed on developers side... Do linux developers keep track of every change that occurs during system upgrade and are they aware of all changes .. or are there uncontrolled variables. Does system upgrade leave junk files behind? Why do updates break the system sometimes?
[15:30] <gx009> !topic
[15:30] <Martiini> nah .. I am being stupid .. linux users are the testbed for linux system reliability .. thats also the role of ubuntu and ubuntuforums.org ..etc .. so it can be assured that debian stable is stable enough for corporate use .. am I right?
[15:31] <Martiini> Im right
[15:31] <danbh_intrepid> no
[15:31] <danbh_intrepid> i think corporate users do their own testing
[15:33] <dooley> hey, i woke up, there were like 78 updates in update-manager, then it downloaded and installed them all, and said i have to restart
[15:33] <dooley> then i restatr
[15:34] <dooley> and now it no work :<
[15:34] <dooley> and /var/log/Xorg.0.conf says couldnt initlize nvidia kernel module or something like that
[15:34] <danbh_intrepid> Martiini: the way it works in ubuntu, is that most packages are pulled  upstream  from debian. There  are   some ubuntu specific packages too.  Ubuntu syncs its dev cycle with gnome.  So, there is lots of new code,  thats where the bugs come from I suspect
[15:35] <danbh_intrepid> dooley: well, im luckier than you.  Only my networking failed.  Im just using the older kernel
[15:35] <dooley> oh
[15:35] <dooley> you are smart
[15:35] <dooley> thats what i will try todo too! thanks
[15:36] <dooley> i wonder why it fail, i think there was an driver update for the new kernel
[15:36] <gx009> Ubuntu is a collection of many computer programmes and documents created by thousands of individuals, teams and companies. Each of these works may come under a different license. This license policy describes the process that we follow in determining which software we will ship by default on the Ubuntu Desktop CD.
[15:37] <gx009> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/licensing  <---- from here
[15:38] <dooley> yeah, i know
[15:40] <Martiini> do linux systems and linux system updates generate "junk files" that developers are not interested of and are unaccounted for
[15:41] <danbh_intrepid> Martiini: yes, I think so, at least the files which hold settings
[15:41] <danbh_intrepid> Martiini: which I think of as a feature, rather  than a bug, since I like it when I can do a clean install, and all my settings are saved
[15:43] <danbh_intrepid> Martiini: but  thats the same as in windows.  Installers track files  created at the time of install.  They don't track files created during runtime.       But whats the going on?  It sounds like something is bothering you
[15:44] <Solarion> Martiini: it depends on the program and what you mean.  All global configuration files, libraries, programs, etc. are known to ubuntu/debian/redhat/whatever, so when you un-install you really un-install.
[15:45] <Solarion> Martiini: However, the program may generate new files such as log files that won't necessarily be known.  Additionally, user settings are in their home directories and are generally not (I don't know of any, but it's not impossible) removed when the program is.
[15:48] <orgthingy> wow, cool
[15:48] <orgthingy> haii ^_^
[15:51] <Martiini> danbh_intrepid: I became interested how system upgrade works and how much of it is controlled by developers
[15:53] <Martiini> I have been stupid I guess
[15:55] <x1250> damn this problem is driving me crazy >:) I think its related to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677564 but this guy its in gutsy! Anyway, he says clicking on the touchpad works only like 50% of the time.
[15:56] <danbh_intrepid> x1250: maybe he should upgrade?
[15:56] <SebNaitsabes> so    Intrepid  Ibex is meant to have some fancy new kernel?  I only found this out yesterday,  I was also told that it won't run in Virtualbox?
[15:56] <Martiini> how about threads titled "Cleaning up all those unnecessary junk files" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140920  .. is that complete BS
[15:57] <x1250> danbh_intrepid, I'm on intrepid and have the same problem :S
[15:57] <x1250> starting from today :(
[15:57] <x1250> in fact, clicking the touchpad in here work less than 50% of the time :(
[15:58] <x1250> and its not a pressure config settings, I can make it work pressing very lightly sometimes. Other times it just doesn't work.
[15:59] <Martiini> can u guys say what laptops u use .. I want to buy u fully compatible linux laptop
[15:59] <bazhang> Martiini, this is not the channel for that
[16:00] <danbh_intrepid> Martiini: all those suggestions use the packagemanager...  so none of those would work for files truly orphaned
[16:00] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic Martiini
[16:00] <dooley> Martiini: http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[16:01] <dooley> Martiini: http://system76.com/index.php?cPath=28
[16:01] <Martiini> not all laptops on compatibility lists work with linux
[16:01] <dooley> oh
[16:02] <dooley> well Dell sells laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed, so those works
[16:02] <dooley> also System76 specializes in Linux laptops
[16:02] <vpelcak> hi all
[16:02] <knittl> i'm fairly happy with linux on dell boxes
[16:03] <vpelcak> just wanted to ask, does II alpha 4 fetch updates from internet during installation?
[16:03] <vpelcak> I mean installing from CD
[16:04] <ikonia> vpelcak: should install from cd only
[16:04] <dooley> it does not fetch update from internet during install, i think
[16:04] <vpelcak> Because I cannot download any other CD and from alpha 4 I cannot get system working
[16:04] <dooley> try 8.04 stable or wait until 8.10 stable
[16:05] <ikonia> vpelcak: why are you trying to use alpha software ?
[16:05] <ikonia> vpelcak: what is your goal
[16:05] <ikonia> vpelcak: what problems are you having with it
[16:05] <vpelcak> my goal is to help with bugreporting
[16:06] <ikonia> vpelcak: well saying "it doesn't work" is not a massive help with bug reporting
[16:06] <vpelcak> I reported some bugs, and as none else was complaining about them, I got an idea to reinstall my system if it helps
[16:07] <ikonia> what sort of issues ?
[16:07] <vpelcak> because I was worried, that inly I have these bugs and thus might be bugs caused by me
[16:08] <vpelcak> problems with keyboard, missing window decoration, some crashes ...
[16:08] <ikonia> have you used 8.04 before ?
[16:08] <vpelcak> yes
[16:08] <vpelcak> I upgraded
[16:08] <ikonia> vpelcak: ok - before doing anything I suggest benchmarking 8.04
[16:09] <ikonia> vpelcak: eg: what works, what doesn't, what you had to do manually, what failed automaticlly
[16:10] <vpelcak> well, I don't have 8.04 install CD, and for some reason I cannot download and burn it. I'd do it already.
[16:10] <vpelcak> "some" doesn't mean problem on Ubuntu side, but my.
[16:11] <ikonia> vpelcak: I suggest you resolve that sort of issue
[16:11] <ikonia> vpelcak: as debugging from bad media, or a system with inherint issues is not really a worth while approach
[16:12] <vpelcak> That issue is, that it either takes ages or would have to do it at work. None can be resolved.
[16:12] <ikonia> what takes ages ?
[16:12] <vpelcak> downloadiong at home
[16:12] <Martiini> vpelcak:  have u tried unetbootin
[16:12] <vpelcak> no
[16:13] <ikonia> vpelcak: my suggestion is 1.) get an 8.04 stable system - thats key. 2.) don't upgrade, do a clean 8.10-beta-version install on a seperate partition so you always have a stable system to reference.
[16:13] <ikonia> vpelcak: upgrading can cause issues, more so in beta software due to dependencies moving/changing
[16:13] <vpelcak> I know.
[16:13] <vpelcak> I tried it in qemu
[16:14] <vpelcak> worked well, so I expected, that it will be OK
[16:14] <vpelcak> I'm used to Debian Sid and Ubuntu alphas. I got an idea how to deal with it.
[16:15] <vpelcak> I'll install my system with hope that I'll be able to connect to the internet and perform upgrade which, as I hope, will help
[16:15] <ikonia> vpelcak: thats not the best way to deal with it
[16:16] <vpelcak> problem is, tha I can temporarily use ethernet connection and then for virtually unlimited tim wifi WPA encripted connection
[16:16] <vpelcak> for that I need working networkmanager
[16:16] <vpelcak> any better ideas are welcommed
[16:16] <vpelcak> But I'd really like to help with bugreporting and i am not worriet to use terminal
[16:17] <vpelcak> -worriet +worried
[16:17] <ikonia> what does using the terminal have to do with it ?
[16:18] <vpelcak> Well I was able to get Ubuntu alpha working, to some extent.
[16:19] <ikonia> again what does that have to do with anything ?
[16:21] <vpelcak> when I install alpha4, I end in terminal. No X.org working. Therefore I have to upgrade from terminal and hope it helps. You said, that it isn't best way, so I asked which is better and added I'm not worried of terminal.
[16:22] <vpelcak> I want working II. That is all. Just ewanted to ask whether or not ubuntu upgrades itself during installation or I have to do it manually.
[16:45] <milosz> damn a bug in Inkscape
[17:03] <nemo> heh.  linux has waaaay too many programs
[17:03] <nemo> $ gimv temp.txt
[17:03] <nemo> The program 'gimv' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[17:03] <nemo> sudo apt-get install gimageview
[17:03] <nemo> (typo typing gvim)
[17:03] <nemo> amusing how many of my typos are actual programs
[17:10] <milosz> i shall try to find out using a brute-force search!
[17:20] <BUGabundo_work> where can I find mpt?
[18:13] <bsnider> RAOF_, so how about luke's latest pulse update? did it fix your sound issues?
[18:18] <pen> bsnider, hi
[18:19] <bsnider> hello
[18:20] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[18:21] <burner> what's the package to reconfigure if dkms fails to load my nvidia driver?
[18:23] <void^> running dkms build/dkms install seems to work usually
[18:23] <bsnider> nvidia-177-kernel-source
[18:24] <burner> ah ha... i gotta remember for next kernel upgrade, thanks bsnider
[18:25] <timboy> I updated intrepid to kernel 2.6.27-3 from 2.6.27-2 and had to reinstall the nvidia driver and now gdm doesn't even start... can someone give me a hand?
[18:25] <burner> timboy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-177-kernel-source; sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller stop; sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start
[18:26] <bsnider> what happens instead?
[18:26] <burner> it should say pass when loading the nvidia driver :)
[18:26] <timboy> bsnider, it just takes me to cli login
[18:27] <burner> cool, just worked here... restarting gdm as we speak
[18:27] <bsnider> just do what buyrner said and you'll be fine
[18:28] <timboy> ok doing
[18:30]  * burner assumes timboy uses nvidia-glx-177 driver as opposed to 173 or others
[18:32] <timboy> burner, no dice...
[18:34] <burner> no?  what happens
[18:34] <burner> does dkms say "pass" ?
[18:34] <burner> brb actually
[18:38] <burner> i had to reboot to make it actually fully work
[18:38] <burner> but I'm back in business... how goes it timboy?
[18:39] <timboy> burner, dkms said ok when I ran that command. Then I rebooted and still takes me directly to login
[18:39] <timboy> the screen flickers a couple times like it's trying to load gdm but just stays at login
[18:39] <burner> timboy: try "sudo nvidia-xconfig" ?
[18:39] <burner> that will regenerate an xorg.conf
[18:40] <burner> then you can restart gdm.  sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[18:41] <timboy> burner, flickers 4 times and stays at prompt on tty1
[18:45] <timboy> burner, when it's booting it says starting gnome display manager [ OK ] and keeps goingthen just takes me to tty1 login :(
[18:50] <timboy> any other ideas burner ?
[18:52] <bsnider> try startx at the command prompt
[18:53] <bsnider> that might at least spit out an error message about what the problem is
[18:53] <burner> timboy: try deleting your xorg.conf ?
[18:55] <timboy> start x gives me: failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist), No devices detected, fatal server error: no screens found giving up. xinit: connection refused(errno 111): unable to connecto to x server
[18:55] <timboy> *startx
[18:57] <bsnider> type1?
[18:57] <bsnider> what in the world is that
[18:57] <bsnider> your xorg.conf must be fried
[18:57] <bsnider> pastebin your xorg.conf please
[18:57] <burner> or just delete it and let the X rescue thing fix it :)
[18:58] <timboy> ok i'll delete it then what?
[18:58] <burner> then restart gdm
[18:58] <bsnider> startx
[18:58] <burner> bleh
[18:59] <burner> I have to say the startx makes things a little trickier if by chance X is already started on display :0
[18:59] <void^> the type1 error isn't fatal, doesn't matter
[18:59] <bsnider> how in hte name of h e double hockey sticks did type1 get in there
[18:59] <timboy> fatal server error: no screens found
[19:00] <void^> pastebin your xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[19:00] <burner> timboy: you have the latest nvidia kernel right?  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177 ?
[19:00] <burner> s/kernel/driver
[19:00] <timboy> already newest version
[19:00] <burner> bien
[19:00]  * burner supports pastebin logs 
[19:00] <timboy> what shall I paste?
[19:01] <bsnider> i'm really curious about your xorg.conf file
[19:01] <bsnider> /etc/X11/xorg.conf~
[19:02] <timboy> bsnider, I removed it before doing startx...
[19:02] <bsnider> there's probably a hidden backup
[19:03] <burner> timboy: did you try a gdm restart after deleting xorg.conf?
[19:04] <timboy> no
[19:04] <burner> worth a shot... i'm not sure that startx uses the fancy wizard thing if an xorg.conf doesn't exist...
[19:06] <bsnider> there are a couple of lines that need to exist in xorg.conf for the nvidia 177.70 driver to work properly
[19:09] <timboy> i restored my xorg.conf from sometime earlier today and this is what is in it: http://pastebin.ca/1201202 startx still gives me no screens found
[19:10] <timboy> brb 5 mins
[19:13] <void^> probably missing nvidia.ko
[19:15] <bsnider> restart the entire system. if it still doesn't work, you probably don't have the module properly built
[19:29] <BUGabundo_work> guys can any one rsync DVDs from main ?
[19:29] <BUGabundo_work> #ubuntu-mirrors is to quite! can't get an answer there
[19:39] <orgthingy> BUGabundo_work : ask in #kubuntu #ubuntu #xubuntu then ask in #debian :P
[19:39] <orgthingy> thats what i usually do
[19:40] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[19:40] <BUGabundo_work> no need to spam orgthingy
[19:40] <BUGabundo_work> I finally resolved my prob
[19:40] <timboy> bsnider, ok so it was a little more than 5 mins... :) i've restarted and still takes me to login
[19:40] <orgthingy> its not spamming as long as its ubuntu channels :P
[19:40] <BUGabundo_work> forgot /cdimage/
[19:41] <BUGabundo_work> since I just copied the http url
[19:41] <bsnider> timboy, i'd say you don't really have the module built
[19:42] <timboy> ok should I run that command burner gave me again?
[19:42] <timboy> I tried to install with the nvidia .run file and it said it doesn't support xen kernel's
[19:45] <bsnider> yeah don't use the one from nvida
[19:45] <bsnider> use the previous command
[19:48] <timboy> bsnider, ran those commands again and it ran the dkms auto installation service and it loaded nvidia 177.70 and gdm start just flickers and startx : module loader present (EE) no devices detected and the no screens found deal
[19:48] <bsnider> hs this ever worked?
[19:48] <bsnider> i mean did it work with the previous kernel?
[19:50] <timboy> yes never had this issue before... I used hardy then in alpha 3 upgraded to intrepid and it's been working ever since and with 2.6.27-2 worked fine
[19:52] <timboy> bsnider, loaded the old kernel 2.6.27-2 and it started gdm just fine
[19:52] <bsnider> well, there you go. the module is not in the new kernel
[19:53] <timboy> ok but 177 fails to load in 2.6.27-2 but loads fine in 2.6.27-3
[19:53] <bsnider> the one to really talk to about this is RAOF_
[19:53] <timboy> so i'm recompiling it now
[19:55] <timboy> why would it tell me it was loading the module and not load the module?
[19:55] <bsnider> i don't know
[19:55] <bsnider> but all other things are equal
[20:00] <timboy> RAOF_, you on?
[20:00] <timboy> bsnider, I booted in 27-2 and gave me the whole low graphics mode. I tried to use nvidia-settings and it said I didn't have the drivers installed
[20:01] <bsnider> wait, some of your numbers are contradictory
[20:02] <bsnider> you're trying to boot 27-3 and it doesn't work where it does work with 27-2 right?
[20:03] <timboy> yes
[20:04] <timboy> gdm that is
[20:04] <timboy> not able to get the driver working in 27-2 again so far
[20:04] <bsnider> make sure you've got linux-headers-2.6.27-3-generic installed
[20:05] <bsnider> if you don't have that you can't build anything new into the kernel
[20:08] <timboy> bsnider, just rebooted and gdm started in 27-3... weird (checked and headers are installed) ok so what's the best way for me to get this nvidia driver actually working in this. the restriced driver thing hasn't worked in intrepid for me yet
[20:08] <bsnider> is it using the nvidia blob or something else?
[20:08] <bsnider> try starting nvidia-settings
[20:09] <bsnider> if it doesn't complain then you're using the blob
[20:09] <timboy> should I run the dkms_autoinstaller again first?
[20:09] <bsnider> no, i don't see why
[20:09] <timboy> because after I ran it in 27-2 it doesn't load in 27-3 now
[20:10] <bsnider> you said you're in 27-3 and it's working
[20:10] <timboy> gdm
[20:10] <timboy> is working
[20:10] <bsnider> right but just check to see which graphics driver you're using
[20:10] <timboy> is there a command for that?
[20:11] <bsnider> start nvidia-settings
[20:11] <bsnider> does it complain?
[20:12] <timboy> yes
[20:12] <bsnider> ok so you're probably using the nv driver, or vesa
[20:13] <bsnider> run the dkms command
[20:14] <timboy> then restart gnome or try nvidia-settings again?
[20:14] <bsnider> ctrl-alt-bkspc
[20:14] <bsnider> try nvidia-settings again
[20:15] <timboy> bsnider, ctrl-alt-bkspc left me with a black screen with blinking cursor. I think i just went in a circle and gdm it's loading again
[20:16] <bigBear> is that nv issue fixed?
[20:17] <gx009> are you sure you need 177 modules and not 173?
[20:18] <timboy> gx009, if you're talking to me I have nvidia-glx-177 installed not 173
[20:21] <gx009> a lot of Go 61xx cards use restricted driver version 173
[20:21] <timboy> bsnider, when I try startx i'm getting that "fialed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0) again
[20:21] <gx009> (nvidia)
[20:21] <timboy> nvidia 8800gt here
[20:21] <Ayabara> hey. what's the new theme for Intrepid called. I wanna install it on Hardy.
[20:24] <timboy> bsnider, http://pastebin.ca/1201255 is xorg.conf
[20:25] <gx009> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/173.14.12-0ubuntu5    <--- this page lists cards that work with nvidia driver version 173... i believe your card is listed here
[20:26] <timboy> gx009, i've been using 177 since it came out with no issues
[20:26] <timboy> burner, you have any ideas?
[20:28] <timboy> bsnider, looks like type1 was put in there by nvidia-xconfig
[20:32] <Ayabara> anyone? what's the name of the default theme in 8.10?
[20:33] <milos_> Ayabara, i think Human-Clearlooks
[20:33] <gx009> human-murrine
[20:37] <Ayabara> thanks a lot
[20:41] <timboy> at a crossroads here. gdm won't start getting a weird error with startx tried to get my nvidia 177 driver set up. worked fine with kernel 27-2 but broke in 27-3 here is xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1201255
[20:43] <void^> did you pastebin your Xorg log?
[20:45] <milos_> timboy, i can't open the link, is it just me?
[20:46] <timboy> void^, http://pastebin.ca/1201269 Xorg.0.log
[20:46] <milos_> by the way, I am using 27-3 with nvidia 177 and works fine
[20:46] <timboy> milos_, that gives me hope :)
[20:46] <timboy> milos_, and yes just you
[20:46] <milos_> argh
[20:49] <void^> hm.. nvidia driver doing funny things. 'lsmod | grep nvidia' does show the module?
[20:49] <timboy> void^, yes
[20:50] <milos_> timboy, did you reinstalled nvidia-177-kernel-source after booting 27-3 kernel
[20:50] <timboy> milos_, several times it seems
[20:50] <milos_> and everything went fine?
[20:50] <burner> aw man... good luck timboy, hope you get it... like i said, I got mine to work, so I'm sure it's possible
[20:50] <void^> might be a driver bug. do you have 2 cards in there, sli or what they call it?
[20:51] <timboy> void^, yes two cards sli
[20:54] <timboy> honestly i'd be happy getting any driver working or even getting gdm to start
[20:54] <void^> just change Driver "nvidia" to "nv"
[20:55] <void^> sli support seems a little ..  delicate, still. i have no personal experience with it..
[20:55] <timboy> what about the type 1 deal in xorg.conf startx gives me a fit with it in there
[20:55] <void^> that's a font engine, nothing that would stop X from starting
[20:56] <timboy> void^, changed driver to nv and still no go
[20:57] <void^> :/
[20:57] <timboy> way I got it working last time was to boot to 27-2 rebuild nvidia modules for 27-2 then boot into 27-3 and gdm started in vesa i think
[20:57] <vega--> these graphic card driver packages seem a bit screwed up still, on my ATI machine at some point fglrx got removed and intrepid installed the nvidia drivers
[20:58] <vega--> maybe it was a hint or something..
[20:58] <timboy> I tried to install the driver from the nvidia .run file and it told me that it wouldn't work on a xen kernel
[20:58] <void^> well, the last bunch of Xorg updates seems to be trouble. using nvidia's driver Xorg crashes as soon as i try to resize a window now.
[21:00] <bsnider> timboy, don't use nvidia-xconfig
[21:00] <timboy> bsnider, ok too late now what?
[21:01] <timboy> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[21:01] <bsnider> hold on
[21:03] <bsnider> nuke your xorg.conf
[21:03] <bsnider> that's not helping at all. in the future, do not use nvidia-xconfig
[21:03] <timboy> ok
[21:03] <bsnider> do you know what flea power means?
[21:04] <timboy> no
[21:04] <gx009> you need insect repellant
[21:04] <bsnider> ok, shut off the system, unplug the power cable and hit the power switch for 30 seconds to drain all power from the board
[21:04] <bsnider> then restart and see if you get a gui
[21:05] <timboy> ok?
[21:06] <gx009> i always try fix xserver option in recovery mode as video troubleshooting step uno
[21:08] <timboy> bsnider, flickered 4 times and left me at tty1 login
[21:09] <bsnider> what's the result of the startx command?
[21:11] <timboy> bsnider, unable to loacte/openconfig file/ open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory/ no devices detected/ no screens found giving up
[21:12] <bsnider> well, i guess sli is the issue here
[21:12] <bsnider> i'd recommend filing a bug wiht nvidia and ubuntu and using a previous kernel
[21:12] <timboy> bsnider, why would it have worked fine before 27-3?
[21:12] <timboy> ok
[21:13] <bsnider> there was a large xorg update today so maybe that fried it
[21:13] <bsnider> also, later tonight RAOF_ will be here you can talk to him about it
[21:13] <timboy> ok cool i'll give it a shot
[21:14] <bsnider> everyting's fine on both of my systems using 2 different nvidia cards
[21:14] <bsnider> also, you could try it wihtout sli enabled
[21:59] <BigBear> why dosent ndiswrapper load at boot?
[22:05] <aguitel> how uninstall the last kernel
[22:11] <DanaG> grr..... stupid gnome-panel hung.
[22:21] <aguitel> how uninstall the last kernel
[22:22] <void^> just boot the old kernel
[22:37] <nandersson> Will Intrepid ship with OpenOffice.org 3?
[23:00] <Steck> nandersson, I believe it will be, pending OOo sticks to their own release schedule
[23:01] <nandersson> Steck, Thanks :) I saw OOo 3 is set to release within a couple of days
[23:01] <nandersson> I guess we'll just wait and see
[23:03] <Steck> I would believe that nearly a month of testing could produce us a stable version for Intrepid :)
[23:05] <nandersson> Yes, definitely
[23:06] <ronny> re
[23:07] <ronny> again: anyone knows how to keep intrepids network manager from disconneting my other networks if i connect my usb0 thats preconfigured in /etc/network/interfaces
[23:07] <ronny> (its also completely wrong set up after plugin it in, it tries dhcp instead of using the ip of the config
[23:27] <tretle> who do you contact for including packages as default for ubuntu
[23:27] <tretle> well obviously 9.04 seeing as there is a feature freeze
[23:28] <tretle> its a nautilus thumbnailer coded by jmillikin that I would like to propose, looks for album art in the metadata of .ogg and .mp3 files and uses the album art as a thumbnail
[23:42] <lubosz1> hii