=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === RayRaspi is now known as Raspberry [02:31] How do I configure X to recognize my tablet stylus and my scroll by holding 3rd button on my mouse? [02:31] I can edit the xorg.conf, but I thought you're not uspposed to do that anymore [02:33] anybody else have the problem of screenbalnking on their laptop ... when the screen goes blank and is supposed to trigger the screensaver... it fades to black and never comes back [02:33] you have to power cycle the machine to get it back [02:33] not even SysReq key combos respond. [03:15] do anyone got firefox 3.1 alpha 2 running? [03:26] Folks, I'm going insane trying to get an xorg.conf set up that will get me beyond 800x600. Tried the usual tricks; most just wipe and replace the file, but no better. Clue: System->Prefs->ScreenResolution always shows "0Hz" refresh as the only option. Help? [03:27] Res up to 1280x1024 work in U8.04. [03:27] Is there an recommended easy way to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid like via a GUI? or does one need to edit sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade? [03:28] jumpkic1: Yes; see the release notes. [03:29] clarkkent4351: You'll need to pastebin your Xorg.0.log before anyone will be able to help you. [03:32] Here's my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d2c82aefc [03:33] ... and my xorg.conf, conveniently scrogged by nvidia-xconfig to remove all the Modelines... :) http://pastebin.com/m512f2055 [03:33] thanks [03:35] RAOF: hahaha,,, next month eh [03:36] jumpkic1: No; any of the alpha's release notes will contain instructions & caveats. [03:37] RAOF: oh, okay [03:37] I'll have a look [03:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview [03:38] clarkkent4351: Hm. That doesn't make sense; you're using VESA in the log. As a first blush, I'd guess that your nvidia kernel module is not properly built. [03:38] clarkkent4351: I'd suggest that you try "sudo aptitude reinstall nvidia-177-kernel-source", to try and get dkms to rebuild the module for you. [03:39] @RAOF: awesome; I was looking for that tidbit. Will try it now. [03:48] reinstalled nvidia 177 drivers; confirmed loaded (system->admin->hardware drivers), reran nvidia-xconfig; no change. Both xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.com/mdb54bfe . ANy other ideas? [03:50] clarkkent4351: Do you actually have the nvidia-glx-177 package installed? [03:52] RAOF: yes, ver 177.70-0ubuntu1 [03:53] and my card (6150 LE) is listed as supported [03:54] Then I'm unable to tell you why X doesn't appear to even be _trying_ to load the nvidia driver. [03:55] Although your X is outdated; 1.5 should be available now. [03:56] RAOF: thanks, the bit about "sudo update-manager -d" was what I was looking for [03:56] :( thanks for trying. I can try updating X (although it's not coming through Update Manager); would appreciate a clue on how. [03:56] clarkkent4351: Just to be sure, can you pastebin 'ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules'? [03:56] Sorry; /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers [03:58] RAOF: http://pastebin.com/d2861a048 [04:01] I'm stumped. X doesn't even seem to be _trying_ to load the nvidia driver, and the nvidia driver seems to be in the right place. [04:02] hey all [04:02] anyone know what's causing dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. [04:02] ? [04:03] Solarion: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/55641 [04:03] Launchpad bug 55641 in dpkg "dpkg - process_queue: Assertion 'dependtry <=4' failed. error (dup-of: 46530)" [Undecided,Fix released] [04:03] Launchpad bug 46530 in dpkg "process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed." [Medium,Fix released] [04:04] RAOF: roger; seems like that's what xorg.conf should be doing for me. Bug? [04:06] Argh, failsafe X is a pain in the $BODY_PART. [04:06] clarkkent4351: those are very old [04:06] Failsafe X doesn't trigger for me; I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm not displeased. [04:06] It starts failsafe, so I go to terminal to rebuild nvidia (because dkms didn't work! multiple versions!)... and then sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop. [04:06] ........... doesn't work. [04:07] I killall Xorg, and then end up with TWO x servers.... one failsafe, and one normal one with a crashing greeter. [04:07] ... and then I have to killall -9 gdm and Xorg.......... and then end up with an entirely blank black screen, thanks to nvidia. [04:08] hmm, seems to be python-tk and/or scribus (deps on python-tk) [04:09] does anyone know if the situation with alsa and the kernel alsa being different versions is fixed in intrepid? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [04:11] DanaG: :( [04:12] ugh, stupid vboxgtk.... won't show my VMs, but won't let me register them because they already exist. [04:12] DanaG: Getting the nvidia driver going was extremely tricky for me too [04:12] stupid nvidia [04:12] It's not hard... but the failsafe-X gets in the way repeatedly and persistently. [04:12] Failsafe X.... is evil. [04:12] jumpkic1: What issue? [04:13] We need a better way to disable it without editing gdm.conf, because such edits get lost when I have to accept new versions of gdm.conf. [04:13] DanaG: it was for me. Things kept randomly wanting to hork my xorg so that I only got 800x600 or even 640x480! [04:13] Solarion: take a look at this: [04:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 [04:13] Launchpad bug 257809 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends overwrites xorg.conf without confirmation or notification, if video card has changed since last boot" [Undecided,New] [04:14] DanaG: ouch [04:14] I, for one, welcome or xorg.conf-less overlords of the near future. However, the present is a painful transition [04:14] Here's a Windowblinds theme called Solarion, just for random amusement: http://stardockdesign.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6287&libid=1 [04:15] meh [04:15] Yeah, same reaction from me. [04:15] windows is pretty irrelevant to me [04:15] Show me how to play HL2 with surround sound in Linux.... and I can ditch Windows. [04:15] That's essentially my last link to needing Windows. Office stuff? Openoffice or Wine. [04:16] DanaG: they develop where the money is. [04:16] If you give them money for a Windows version of HL2, then they will keep giving you Windows versions of HL2. [04:16] Since it's a game, I personally don't see a need to give them money to make me use Windows. [04:16] of course, hardcore gamers deride me, but that's my take on it. [04:17] * Solarion moves on [04:18] Eeh, I won't mock you -- hey, it's personal preference, and I'm not one of those 'bashers'. [04:18] its more of a wine question than an ubuntu question [04:19] I suppose it might be possible under codega? [04:19] Not with surround sound; that's the bummer. [04:19] pff [04:20] RAOF: its hard to explain, but basically drivers that compile against alsa headers don't work because the kernel and the alsa-dev packages are based on different releases of alsa [04:20] http://nikosapi.org/wiki/index.php/WIS_Go7007_Linux_driver#Ubuntu_Hardy_with_kernel_.3C.3D_2.6.46-17 [04:20] sort of talks about it [04:20] anyhow, if someone wants to know why they're getting that error I mentioned, python-tk and/or scribus is why. [04:21] latest compiz is slooooooow [04:21] in ubuntu [04:22] you end up with WARNING: "snd_rawmidi_set_ops" [...] undefined! [04:23] when you compile standalone modules [04:23] and a whole bunch of other similar alsa function undefines [04:23] Well, that should be working in Intrepid, yes. [04:23] I suppose that very few people test it, which is why no one caught it for Hardy. [04:25] Cool. A hardware mpeg4 (presumably ASP) encoder? [04:25] i heard about that [04:26] RAOF: kind of unfortunate that its in an LTS release [04:26] I'm not sure how _useful_ it'd be; my cpu can certainly encode to mpeg4 asp in substantially better than real-time, but it's still cool. [04:26] jumpkic1: Is there a bug filed? [04:27] jumpkic1: It _might_ be a simple enough fix to make it worth an SRU. [04:27] RAOF: yeah I ran across several bugs that I thought were related [04:27] Argh, the older laptop will not unlock the gnome keyring at (auto-)login. [04:28] RAOF: given the number of things that depend on Alsa I doubt it would be simple [04:29] DanaG, you can blow the gnome-keyring away [04:29] libpam-gnome-keyring does not work under auto-login. [04:30] Everything I've tried has either broken login, not unlocked the keyring, or made gdm ask for "password for auto-login" -- even though I have it set PASSWORDLESS! [04:30] there's a hidden diretory you can delete and hten it will not ask for the password for the keyring but will just use the stored passwords the keying was protecting anyway [04:30] * DanaG supresses momentary angry voice [04:30] Argh, Toshiba hotkeys don [04:31] don't work. [04:31] thats surprising, considering what a great linux supporter toshiba is [04:31] i believe it's ~/.gnome2/keyrings [04:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318 [04:31] cough [04:31] Launchpad bug 261318 in xorg "Xorg can't use Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) input device; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [Undecided,New] [04:33] * DanaG edited the name: [04:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318 [04:33] Launchpad bug 261318 in xorg "Regression: new Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) driver breaks Toshiba hotkeys; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [Undecided,New] [04:33] So, xorg broke something yet it'll be spun as being Toshibas fault? [04:33] No, a new kernel driver is what broke it. [04:33] It's a raw "input" device that doesn't support the "kbd" handler. [04:34] Thus... it's not a keyboard, and Xorg can't use it. [04:34] ... and the consoles won't use it, either. [04:41] Apparently, today is hug a developer day. anyone know any hot developers i could hug(i am extremely huggable) [04:45] I can't say I know any developers. [04:45] er, I don't know any of the Ubuntu developers personally. [04:45] * mneptok does, and can pass along cash bribes ... [04:47] mneptok: i invested my savings in some nigerian prince's endeavour to get claim him millions from some bank. I will send along some of those cash bribes when the investment pays. [04:47] *pays off [04:48] Killeroid: Thank you, friend coming from Internets. I am Mister Udwillanohgono Swesimele, late Finance Minister for Gambia. Please to do the needful. [04:51] ummm... whatever. [04:51] mneptok: how much $ do you need sir? [04:52] "late Finance Minister for Gambia" , damn, nigerian zombies already!! [04:52] ajmitch: all of it? [04:52] * ajmitch scrounges in his pockets for loose change [04:53] talking of loose change, anyone knows when stop and shop usually closes, i have a bucket of pennies that i need to go chane into bills [04:53] lol [04:54] yes, everyone, worldwide, knows when a northeast US grocery chain closes. [04:54] well, if you recognize and know what a stop and shop is, that you live in the northeast and know the time it closes [04:55] i live in the northeast. but not US. [04:56] hah, pardon me then, i meant, northeast US [04:57] annoying problem: the screen goes black randomly. i can call up a virtual terminal but looks like X screws up. I have acer aspire one and alpha 5 [04:58] did not have this prob in 8.04) [04:58] yuri_: then you should run 8.04 until Intrepid is released ;) [04:58] Or file a bug, of course. [04:58] Or possibly both. [04:59] gah. tired of reinstalling [05:00] yuri_: then don;t run pre-release software ;) [05:00] yea i know, i just never learn my lesson [05:01] especially that "dont put it on a production computer" part [05:02] is glxgears supposed to be broken in 8.10? [05:02] works here [05:02] Works here, too, with any number of drivers ; [05:03] Also, I don't know why so many people ask those sorts of questions. [05:03] "Is $FOO supposed to be broken". No. Of course it isn't! [05:03] but it's Linux so deal with it [05:03] :P [05:04] I know what I'm getting into when I switch to the development repos. [05:04] yuri_: If you'd like some help determining whether... [05:04] Oh. [05:10] how's intrepid? [05:10] good? [05:10] so far? [05:11] in my subjective opinion, no [05:16] hehe [05:17] bsnider: I tried out the ath9k driver in intrepid (if you remember me). Works great. Far better than ndiswrapper in Hardy [05:17] Anything is better than ndiswrapper [05:17] hehe, well, not madwifi : P [05:18] i don't see any difference than hardy yet (besides random freezing) [05:18] teratoma: look at the release notes for alpha 5. I think it covers the major changes [05:19] danbhfive: If your Atheros is supported, madwifi is better than ndiswrapper too. Ubuntu are just a little slow on the uptake. [05:20] danbhfive, what kind of router are you connecting to? [05:20] LSD|Ninja: yeah, I really don't know. I just tried a guide on madwifi, and it didn't work/caused computer lockups. ndiswrapper works like crap, but at least it works. And as soon as intrepid is beta, imma upgrading, at which I get native support!! woo hoo! [05:20] bsnider: honestly, its some sort of g router, from verizon [05:21] i can't for the life of me get it to connect to the new-ish d-link [05:21] but i'm glad it works for you [05:22] http://www.fibercrap.com/article/actiontec-mi424wr-router-fios-weapon-of-choice-1150-1.html [05:22] I think thats it [05:22] d-link card, d-link router, and htey can't come to an agreement [05:22] danbhfive: you have an ath9k, support for those is kinda flaky [05:22] * DanaG likes his dd-wrt router. [05:23] LSD|Ninja: I've been getting great results in intrepid. The only problem is that the bit rate is reported incorrectly, but that practically just a cosmetic issue [05:36] How come wxMaxima hasn't been updated in more than 2 years? [05:36] It hasn't been updated since Feisty. [05:37] because nobody cares enough [05:37] RyanPrior: Because no one cares about it, presuably. [05:37] !info wxmaxima [05:37] wxmaxima (source: wxmaxima): a wxWidgets GUI for the computer algebra system maxima. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.1-1ubuntu3 (intrepid), package size 500 kB, installed size 1732 kB [05:37] RyanPrior, no one is stopping you from packaging it yourself [05:38] RyanPrior: you might see what the debian maintianer is up to [05:38] I will try to package it for Intrepid and get it into Jaunty. [05:39] I assume the current Debian maintainer is no longer active, but I'll have to try to get in contact. [05:39] I' [05:39] I've never done packages, but it's something I constantly feel the need to learn. [05:40] it should be pretty simple in this case [05:40] It's pretty easy, mechanically. [05:41] RAOF, dkms was such a good idea, if it didn't exist it would be necessary to invent it. where did it come from? [05:42] bsnider: Dell developed dkms. [05:43] heh [05:43] shocking [05:43] finally, dell is giving something back after taking so, so much [05:43] wth [05:44] * DanaG likes HP. [05:44] Ubuntu is often accused of taking a lot while not giving a whole lot back, but the fact is that Ubuntu gets Free Software to far more users, leading to more testing and feedback and eventually more developers. Can the same not be said of Dell? [05:44] And HP seems to like kernel.org -- they like giving them lots of new servers. [05:48] how's intrepid? [05:48] good? [05:49] hp's been involved with debian for a long time it seems [05:49] It's an Ubuntu development release? It's got shiny new stuff, and sometimes breaks. [05:51] pen, especially good at browsing high-quality pr0n. no, wait, what RAOF said [05:51] bsnider, good!!! that's what everyone is after for. that's why we need os [05:51] you said it [05:52] bsnider, so what? you dislike pr0n? [05:53] bsnider, I believe you are a healthy young man? [05:54] * DanaG ♥ the broken gtk-window-decorator theme. [05:54] Broken? [05:54] Glitchy. [05:54] It [05:54] no, i'm a 75-year-old sexual eunuch [05:54] It'll show all grey, except for a little triangle of orange. [05:55] DanaG: Aaah, sweet nvidia bugs. [05:55] Either that, or it'll show only one button, on an 'inactive' background... for an active window. [05:55] DanaG, ?? broken for intrepid? [05:56] And hardy, too. [05:56] It's an nvidia bug. [05:57] So, it really is nvidia? Nice. [05:57] Just another thing to add to my growing list "why I'm getting ATI next time" [05:57] s/growing/ever-growing/ [05:58] DanaG, you CANNOT be SERIOUS [05:59] oh. [06:00] DanaG, if you get ati, you will never, ever have direct rendering opengl. [06:01] Oh, really? [06:01] What do you call, OPEN SPECS? [06:01] no hardware accelerated 3d [06:01] I've had nothing but pain with nvidia, in both Windows and Linux. [06:01] it will never happen [06:01] nvidia's driver is by far the best for linux, it's the only driver for linux as far as i'm concerned [06:01] bsnider: r500 and r600 already run Compiz on mesa git. [06:02] RAOF: r600? :o [06:02] I'm unsure about the status of r700; that's getting a gallium driver, so it gets a bit trickier. [06:02] if you think you've had problems now, go into phoronix's forums and look at all of the ati threads complainging about basic stuff [06:02] wow [06:02] so wait a minute [06:03] the r500 drivers aren't "direct rendering openGL?" [06:03] crdlb: Last I heard, r500 & r600. [06:03] * RAOF has direct rendering OpenGL on the nv drivers, incidentally. [06:03] pwnguin, not with hardware acceleration, no [06:03] Well, even if ATI is crap, I'd rather have open-source crap than closed-source crap. [06:03] lol [06:03] DanaG, so for you it's an ideological issue [06:04] Well, all other things equal. [06:04] it's not about performance [06:04] The only Linux 3D thing I use is compiz. [06:04] Although ati cards are _also_ faster at the moment. [06:04] For games, I use Windows. [06:04] RAOF, aren't we using a beta driver at the moment? [06:04] yeah ATI has gotten a lot better lately [06:05] bsnider: I mean, their hardware + windows drivers are faster than nvidia. [06:05] what ATI card should I purchase that's available right now if I want a cheap one with working FOSS 2D acceleration? [06:05] my thinkpad came with intel or nvidia, had to chose intel cause the drivers are open [06:05] RAOF, ati hardware on windows you mean? [06:05] SwedeMike: Actually, I think _anything_ will give you working FOSS 2D accel. [06:06] Yeah, 2D was never a problem. It was always 3D that gave you grief [06:06] bsnider: Yes. Since really high-powered 3d tends to get benchmarked on windows. [06:06] RAOF: interesting... because my nvidia experience so far has been really bad, I've had to run the restricted drivers to get anything working [06:06] Radeon 48x0 kicks the crap out of nVidia on price/performance right now. At lkeast under Windows. [06:06] SwedeMike: You could probably also try the nouveau drivers; they've got (really, really) good 2d accel. If they work at all. [06:06] RAOF, windows/directx is a better graphics platform. [06:07] [Citation needed] [06:07] bsnider: Also, doesn't really matter; I'm talking about ATI vs nVidia on the same (windows) platform. [06:08] The laptop I'll be getting will have only a 3650, unfortunately. [06:08] SwedeMike: Oh, I should probably further qualify my praise of the nouveau drivers. If you've got a nv4x (or probably nv3x) card, they kick arse. That's Geforce 6,7, or Geforce 5 [06:09] Yeah... nouvea is slower than nv on a geforce4-mx-is-really-a-2 card. [06:09] RAOF: ah, neatness, I have gforce 6, 7 and 8 cards actually, so that sounds fine [06:10] SwedeMike: The geforce 8 won't be well supported, but the 6 & 7 will be. [06:10] this is the laptop I'll be getting... once I can customize for ATI and WUXGA: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-3740645-3329741-3781677.html [06:11] SwedeMike: You can even get totally, utterly unsupported and incomplete 3d acceleration (and XvMC, now) with nv4x! [06:13] I have toshiba laptop with 'Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller' Intrepid for some reason installed invidia drivers, it works fine but there no compiz for me, hardy did not have this problem, it would install correct drivers and enable compiz by default [06:14] netdur: Yeah, that was a packaging bug. Remove the nvidia drivers and your 3d will unbreak. [06:15] You don't need to install any drivers for Intel [06:16] Will 8.10 have KDE4 by default in Kubuntu? [06:16] Yes. [06:16] Will KDE3 be available? [06:16] I don't believe so, no. [06:16] Cool [06:17] But I'm less sure about that. [06:19] RAOF: is this known bug? I don't need to report it! right? [06:20] netdur: Right. It's already been fixed. [06:20] compiz is not ready for 8.10 yet [06:20] But you'll still have the nvidia driver left over, since we obviously can't remove it :) [06:21] RAOF: well, I don't run any 3d applications, so that's fine. if I can get 1920x1200 DVI working with 2D acceleration I'm happy. [06:21] do you mean xserver-xorg-video-nv? [06:22] RAOF, if nouveau is so great, why isn't it in intrepid? [06:22] netdur: probably some nvidia-glx-* package [06:23] crdlb: I could remove them easily [06:23] bsnider: Because it requires an unreleased version of libdrm, and I don't particularly feel like maintaining the bottom of the entire free 3d stack. [06:24] netdur: yes, and you should [06:24] That's why the PPA is so great. If people's computers combust, I can just say "whoops! Well, you knew there could be problems when you signed up". [06:25] Heh. That's awesome. gnome-power-manager will only start if my battery is > 25% charged. [06:26] heh, I think nouveau exploded on my system. it doesn't particularly matter, I didn't really care about that install anyway not to mention the machine is in a million pieces right now because I needed it's motherboard temporarily for something more importany [06:26] test bed for progress === gx009_ is now known as gx009 [06:31] RAOF, why are the newer cards unlikely to ever be supported by nouveau? [06:33] bsnider: when did he say that? [06:34] bsnider: Many of them are already supported. But nv5x is pretty different to what came before, and so it's less well supported. [06:34] Also, I think it really needs a memory manager before it can be done right; there's some playground work being done in that direction. [06:35] Basically, what I meant was: If you've got an nv0x -> nv4x card, and nouveau doesn't at least bring up X and give you spiffy dual-head support, I'd be surprised. [06:35] payground work with gem? [06:35] And TTM, yes. [06:36] (Rumours of TTM's death have been greatly overstated) [06:36] if they try to use ttm keith packard will cut their throats [06:36] packard thinks ttm is already out of date [06:36] Both nouveau and radeon are using both TTM and GEM, if I understand it right. [06:37] nv5x is what, GeForce FX? Are they even worth bothering to support? :P [06:37] I'm considering upgrading to Intrepid today. Is it in a happy state at the moment? [06:37] LSD|Ninja: nv5x is Geforce 8/9 [06:37] i think what happened is dave airlie modified ttm to use gem [06:37] and packard said that was incomprehensible [06:37] GEM is apparently a fairly sparse and driver-neutral interface, and you can use parts of TTM to implement GEM [06:39] Surprisingly enough, an GPU memory manager interface designed for cards with no onboard vram _at all_ doesn't map entirely cleanly onto cards with 2GB of vram on them. [06:40] it will be hashed out when intl buys ati [06:40] erm [06:40] you realize that amd owns ati? [06:40] Intel can't touch ATi, not unless AMD sell it first [06:40] intel will buy amd [06:40] hahahahahahahah [06:40] They won't be able to [06:40] amd is already dead on its feet [06:41] you're crazy if you think the US gov would allow that [06:41] Antitrust will jump on them like a ton of bricks is Intel try and buy AMD/ATi [06:41] maybe, maybe not [06:41] a lot of consolidation has taken place, and amd will be facing death either way [06:42] plus intel already dominates the GPU market [06:43] cpu you mean [06:43] No, GPU. [06:43] bsnider: no, GPU as well [06:43] Intel sell more gpus than everyone else combined. [06:43] Intel have had majority market share in graphics for quite some years now [06:44] but not high-end gpus [06:44] nVidia are catching up slowly, though [06:44] they'd need ati for that [06:44] bsnider: high-end isn';t where the money is [06:44] And Intel's moving high-end with laribee, anyway. [06:44] AMD bought ATi to compete in the low- to mid-range IGP market where Intel walk all over everyone else [06:45] Although that's not so much as a GPU as it's a hugely parallel vector compute unit disguised as a GPU. [06:46] If AMD collapse in in themselves then the best company to buy the remains would probably be Samsung. Intel would probably start packing their dacks if that happened [06:47] AMD have a bit of time to pull themselves togehter though, Intel don't launch Nehalem on the desktop until next year [06:49] why samsung exactly? [06:53] They're the biggest chipmaker in the world, iirc. If they were to become a force in x86 CPUs by aquiring AMDs fabs and tech then Intel would sit up and take notice === Sebast1an is now known as Sebastian [07:14] Grr, stupid nvidia geforce*cough*two*cough* [07:14] They call it a 4, but it's not. [07:15] ... yet, because they call it a 4, it gets the 96 drivers -- but for some reason, jockey suggests the 71 drivers. [07:21] Do the 71 and 96 drivers even work again yet? [07:25] Nope. [07:25] Oh yeah, I was better off with the S3 Savage in a different old laptop I have around here. [07:26] At least Savage did 2D accel. [07:26] And it wasn't über-suck on scrolling. [07:41] err, at some point intrepid has removed fglrx and installed the nvidia drivers on an ATI machine [07:41] no wonder i get the "low graphics mode" crap [07:43] vega--, update and hit launchpad with that one [08:30] yo [08:31] anyone knowns how i can keep network manager from disconnecting my other networks when connecting a usb network device (my openmoko frerunner) [08:31] * DanaG wonders: how will we be able to pass options to, say, the 'nvidia' xorg module, once everything moves over to autodetection? [08:31] i already configured usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces [08:31] didnt help [08:32] doesn't the restricted driver manager work in 8.10? [08:32] I lost my dual screen config when I installed Intrepid === fargiola` is now known as fargiolas|afk [08:49] I need some help to setup dual screen on my laptop. aticonfig doesn't like the format of xorg.conf anymore... [08:55] anyone with an ati card who can help? is there an ati driver out there that works with the new xorg.conf? [09:23] someone explain to me why firefox-2 is broken ... firefox-2: Depends: libhunspell-1.1-0 (>=1.1.6-1) but it is not installable === fargiolas|afk is now known as fargiolas [09:50] hay [09:50] what's t hat apt-get arguement to get ubuntu using the 8.10 repositories again? [09:51] ? [09:55] you could just edit your sources.list file ;) [09:56] yeah [09:56] but that's boring! :P [10:01] was it update-manager -d ? [10:02] Has anyone got a working dual-screen setup with ati graphics? [10:02] or even a working atidriver w/aticonfig [10:27] Why is update manager trying to install all the xserver-xorg-video-* drivers? Is that right? [10:30] Yes, that's right. [10:32] When I tried alpha5 from the live CD I was asked to use keyring for the password for the wlan. When I upgraded my 8.04 to alpha5 this does not happen. How can I enable the keyring method? [10:38] I finally found out that fglrx on 8.10 doesn't work. How can I get dual screen without it? [10:38] With the ati driver. [10:39] I believe that System->Preferences->Screen Resolution now has the final piece of xorg.conf magic required to do dual screen without manually touching xorg.conf. [10:41] RAOF: ahh. it seems that is do :) [10:41] thanks [10:42] Does Sys -> Prefs -> Resolution now work for all of xorg and not just the user that runs it? [10:43] Just the user that runs it [10:43] gah. after configuring and entering my password, I get: "policygui.py" closed unexpectedly [10:43] and "Monitor Resolution Settings" stops responding [10:43] RAOF: So it's still almost completely useless then [10:44] LSD|Ninja: Why? [10:45] If/when the auto detector gets it wrong you should be able to fix it from end to end without touching a config file [10:45] maybe I can start "monitor resolution settings" from a shell as root? [10:46] (how?) [10:46] Ayabara: I'd file a bug; starting as root is unlikely to make policykit happy :) [10:46] LSD|Ninja: Because, in some circumstances, it can fail it's almost completely useless? [10:47] OK. The auto detector gets it wrong so you're looking at 1280x1024 when you really want 1024x768. You run the one in prefs and you get your 1024x768 but log out again and gdm is back at 1280x1024 [10:48] Right. So, that would be a problem, yes. [10:49] I'm not saying it wouldn't be nice to have a way of doing what you want. Just that Screen Resolution doesn't _aim_ to do it, and is certainly useful for what it aims to do. [10:49] The stupid thing is that Ubuntu actually had a panel that got this somewhat right but it was deprecated going into hardy and now isn't nearly as effective as it should be [10:53] RAOF: is there a way I can make the changes manually? which file ends up being modified? [10:55] Ayabara: /etc/X11/xorg.conf; and the change is the addition of a Virtual line. [10:55] !xrandr | Ayabara [10:55] Ayabara: XRandR 1.2 is the new method of running dual screens in !X. Information/HowTo here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 [10:56] RAOF: thanks a lot. [10:56] one more thing. how do I know that the ati driver is the one active? [10:56] By checking out Xorg.0.log [10:57] Yay! nvidia-glx-177's dual head no longer sucks! Wooooo! [10:57] Hi. I am a little bit confused about the driver I should use for my ATI x1250 in Intrepid. The restricted driver and the 'jockey' application don't work until now. The opensource 'ati' driver doesn't work either. The 'radeonhd' gives me a flickering screen... So I am on vesa until now. Can anyone confirm the 'problems' I have with the 'ati' driver? [10:59] RAOF: a loadmodule: "ati" has to be a good sign :) [11:04] RAOF: my "Screen"-section looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46127/. How can I put a line in there to get a Virtual screen on my external 1600x1200 monitor? [11:09] RAOF: I'm trying to get a dualscreen setup for a laptop monitor of 1400x1050 with an external screen of 1600x1200 [11:38]