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| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| CimiDS | kwwii, better tab highlighting in revision 60 | 02:51 |
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| CimiDS | _MMA_, too | 03:05 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
| DanaG | Oh yeah, another random reference to look at for the newwave: | 04:14 |
| DanaG | http://stardockdesign.wincustomize.com/skins.aspx?skinid=6287&libid=1 | 04:14 |
| DanaG | Solarion theme. | 04:14 |
| * DanaG forgot whose theme that New Wave is | 04:16 | |
| CimiDS | kwwii, ping | 08:39 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, try the Nodoka engine some time in OpenOffice, and take a look at how the scrollbars there look -- it's essentially a squared version of the round thing. Any chance you could replicate that, at least? | 08:58 |
| DanaG | If you got that and the focus thing (as well as the progress bar, which doesn't quite match), it'd be perfect. | 08:58 |
| DanaG | Rounded scrollbars are a small thing to sacrifice in exchange for cool things like RGBA. | 08:59 |
| CimiDS | progress bar? what's wrong? | 09:28 |
| kwwii | CimiDS: pong | 10:46 |
| CimiDS | upgrade to r61 | 11:16 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, progress bar... perhaps I'm misremembering. | 11:32 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I think it did look the same. | 11:32 |
| DanaG | Never mind. | 11:32 |
| === njpatel is now known as njpatel_at_docto | ||
| === njpatel_at_docto is now known as njpatel | ||
| === ambri1 is now known as ambrin | ||
| Cimi | ATTENTION: since murrine r64 "style" option was renames to "profile" | 18:30 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Thats going to break *alot* of themes. Unless you've added some kinds legacy support. | 18:32 |
| _MMA_ | *kinda | 18:32 |
| Cimi | you are using svn, svn can break API | 18:33 |
| Starks | canonical is being too secretive about their in-house theme team | 18:33 |
| Cimi | there's legacy support for stable API | 18:33 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Regardless of what *Im* using, once released, its going to break alot of themes. | 18:34 |
| _MMA_ | Ok. Good. | 18:34 |
| Cimi | no :) | 18:34 |
| andreasn | Starks: I didn't know there was one | 18:34 |
| Starks | intrepid's theme will be in-house | 18:34 |
| Cimi | style is an optionintroduced in the svn | 18:34 |
| Cimi | so i shouldn't worry about breaking themes | 18:35 |
| Cimi | isn't it? :) | 18:35 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Ok. Im mistaken then. I was thinking about something else. | 18:35 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: Don't feed the trolls that come into a room, spout crap about things they don't have the facts. | 18:36 |
| Starks | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916316 | 18:37 |
| andreasn | _MMA_: oh, sorry. I just never heard of a inhouse team | 18:37 |
| andreasn | oh, that sounds like a hen out of a feather (or whatever it's called) | 18:38 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: There is a new art director. Is supposed to plan for the future. Coordinated branding/look&feel across Ubuntu. | 18:39 |
| andreasn | _MMA_: cool | 18:39 |
| andreasn | hope things turn out good then | 18:40 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: What's your idea of "good"? :) | 18:41 |
| andreasn | nothing special really, but better than now I would hope | 18:42 |
| _MMA_ | What's your idea of "better"? :) | 18:42 |
| _MMA_ | Really. It's all crap opinion. :) | 18:43 |
| * _MMA_ thinks "good" is everything on my desktop is some shade of chocolate. :P | 18:43 | |
| andreasn | I would be very surprised if we're now at the point of the ultimate look & feel of the free desktop | 18:43 |
| _MMA_ | Which you think would be? :) | 18:43 |
| andreasn | that I do not now? | 18:44 |
| _MMA_ | ? | 18:45 |
| _MMA_ | You mean: "That, I do not know." ? | 18:45 |
| andreasn | ah, yes | 18:45 |
| _MMA_ | np | 18:45 |
| andreasn | I started taking a English class last night, we learned periods and commas, but apparently I wasn't paying enough attention :) | 18:46 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 18:46 |
| _MMA_ | Your English is better than Cimi's. :P | 18:46 |
| andreasn | but it's really interesting, because English use commas a _lot_ more than Swedish | 18:47 |
| _MMA_ | I'm also sorry. I'm just trying to cut through all the generic opinion as of late. I read so much opinion that lacks substance. It's always, "I don't know what I like. I just know I don't like that.". That has been the issue with Mark around here for instance. | 18:47 |
| andreasn | the Swedish grammar rule is something like "use a comma when you need to breathe" | 18:47 |
| _MMA_ | So now, I hope to move away from being held to his whim. | 18:48 |
| _MMA_ | Unless artists *want* to. | 18:48 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: Yeah. English is only /kinda/ like that. | 18:48 |
| * thorwil is unsure about about commas in english | 18:49 | |
| andreasn | oh, well, I certainly have some ideas of where I would personally like to improve GNOME in terms of less noise, less cuteness, proper use of layout, consistency etc | 18:49 |
| andreasn | but don | 18:49 |
| andreasn | but I don't tend to do stuff at the Ubuntu level, but at the GNOME level | 18:49 |
| andreasn | I just hang out in here :) | 18:49 |
| andreasn | but yeah, I can understand your frustration | 18:50 |
| _MMA_ | andreasn: Sure. I know why you're in here. I wouldn't give shit about Ubuntu. :) I do plan to shake things up around our little corner of the interweb. | 18:52 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: "So now, I hope to move away from being held to his whim." - fits nicely to the text i'm drafting where i explain that mark cannot be the target audience / is not likely to represent a worthwhile target audience | 18:52 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Thing is. I'm not sure *we* have to define one. My thought atm, is to let people create things that feel ubuntu and put them in a package based on popularity and technical, um, capibility. The work well. No bugs. | 18:54 |
| _MMA_ | Don't know how to say that right atm. | 18:54 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: we all always work with at least some assumptions about the audience. even if we just exclude children and grannies. can only help to have it written down | 18:56 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: but i'm far less adamant about that than troy :) | 18:56 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 18:57 |
| _MMA_ | Here's the thing though. | 18:57 |
| _MMA_ | If we're not aiming for default, Why should we be restricted to audience? | 18:58 |
| thorwil | to have guidance and internal consistence | 18:58 |
| thorwil | to choose the right words for our message | 18:58 |
| thorwil | to me, there is not much place for a difference between aiming for default and aiming to be damn good ;) | 18:59 |
| _MMA_ | Why do we need a message? :) *Some* guidance can be restrictive and what "internal consistence"? | 18:59 |
| _MMA_ | To me, let the artist decide their audience. | 19:00 |
| _MMA_ | This is all very open still. | 19:00 |
| thorwil | _MMA_: if you go all artsy doing-what-feels-right, you're right back on the i-like-this or i like that level | 19:00 |
| _MMA_ | And that can be fine. If someone creates a good theme, that feels Ubuntu as far as color cues, why can't it be used? | 19:01 |
| _MMA_ | Hell. Someone's vision of Ubuntu could be green. Should we exclude it? | 19:01 |
| thorwil | it could and no | 19:02 |
| _MMA_ | Questions I still haven't answered for myself. | 19:02 |
| _MMA_ | It will need some debate. | 19:02 |
| thorwil | you can't be all free for everything _and_ get away from everyone being a lone art warrior | 19:03 |
| thorwil | but i'm no control freak. i want a stem of order and there can be chaos all around it | 19:04 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. But I think we'll need to find a balance that feels right for us. So far, I'm just dealing with the technicals. | 19:04 |
| _MMA_ | I'll get places for people to put their pink Ubuntu theme if the rest of our ML or whatever wants it in. :P | 19:05 |
| _MMA_ | s/places/packages | 19:05 |
| _MMA_ | Meeting in 1 hour. Either here or in #ubuntu-meeting. | 19:09 |
| _MMA_ | kwwii: Where's the meeting? | 19:10 |
| thorwil | from Ken's mail: "A meeting is now scheduled for Friday at 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting." | 19:10 |
| _MMA_ | ahh.. | 19:10 |
| kwwii | it is probably not on the fridge because I am too lazy | 19:11 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:11 |
| Starks | new wave bzr FTW | 19:14 |
| Starks | gtk, metacity, compiz, emerald, xfce, wallpaper, gdm, list, lock, and usplash | 19:14 |
| Cimi | you'll get tired of those themes with the dark osX menubar | 19:15 |
| _MMA_ | chicken, motorboat, ice cream, paper mill, flu and santa | 19:22 |
| thorwil | all lies! | 19:22 |
| dilomo | well not agree | 19:23 |
| dilomo | only the usplah is not ready yet | 19:24 |
| _MMA_ | WTF was there to agree or disagree on? :) | 19:24 |
| dilomo | (21,22,59) thorwil: all lies! | 19:24 |
| thorwil | dilomo: chicken, really? | 19:25 |
| dilomo | chicken? | 19:25 |
| _MMA_ | hahahahahahah | 19:26 |
| _MMA_ | I'm so lost. :) | 19:26 |
| thorwil | dilomo: look one line above mine | 19:27 |
| dilomo | oooh yaah | 19:27 |
| dilomo | it's all clear now | 19:27 |
| dilomo | :) | 19:27 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:27 |
| thorwil | d: | 19:28 |
| _MMA_ | Im a retarded for wanting to do this? http://gizmodo.com/5049073/homemade-human-catapult-provides-not+quite+safe-fun | 19:28 |
| thorwil | no, retarded is not the word | 19:29 |
| dilomo | woow | 19:30 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah, "awesome" is the word. :) | 19:30 |
| dilomo | that looks cool | 19:30 |
| _MMA_ | Alternative KDE main menu: http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/screenshots | 19:31 |
| dilomo | nice | 19:34 |
| _MMA_ | Meeting in 20 mins. | 19:39 |
| thorwil | #ubuntu-meeting is so scary, everyone can see us there 0.0 | 19:42 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Just imaging everyone in their underwear. :) | 19:43 |
| * thorwil freaks out | 19:43 | |
| _MMA_ | *imagine | 19:43 |
| * _MMA_ pulls up agenda email. | 19:46 | |
| dilomo | but I cannot join | 19:48 |
| dilomo | there's nobody in the chat rooom | 19:48 |
| thorwil | you misspelled it | 19:48 |
| dilomo | what | 19:48 |
| dilomo | ooh | 19:48 |
| dilomo | room* | 19:48 |
| thorwil | dilomo: /j #ubuntu-meeting | 19:49 |
| dilomo | /j #ubuntu-meeting | 19:49 |
| _MMA_ | dilomo: Or, don't paste in the room name. Pidgin does some crazy things with pasting to stop spamming. | 19:49 |
| zniavre | /j #ubuntu-meeting | 19:49 |
| _MMA_ | Type: /join #ubuntu-meeting | 19:50 |
| thorwil | oh boy | 19:50 |
| thorwil | it's very important to not have anything in front of the / | 19:50 |
| _MMA_ | :P | 19:50 |
| dilomo | ok | 19:51 |
| dilomo | I'm in | 19:51 |
| dilomo | thanks guys | 19:51 |
| dilomo | its fill max | 19:51 |
| thorwil | fill max? | 19:52 |
| dilomo | full* | 19:52 |
| Ken_V | Ello Ello | 20:15 |
| thorwil | Ken_V: -> ubuntu-meeting | 20:16 |
| Ken_V | KK | 20:16 |
| thorwil | Ken_V, dilomo: http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/ibex_horns_22_4to3.jpg | 20:51 |
| thorwil | it will not see much more refinement | 20:51 |
| dilomo | it's good and should be include IMHO | 20:52 |
| thorwil | well, i'm glad you like it :) | 20:52 |
| dilomo | :) | 20:53 |
| _MMA_ | thorwil: Yeah. This should go in kwwii's package. | 21:05 |
| _MMA_ | boo | 21:46 |
| dilomo | :) | 21:47 |
| _MMA_ | Ill be around for another hour or so. | 21:48 |
| * _MMA_ turns on a movie. | 21:49 | |
| bcurtiswx | hi all, i have a question if anyone is around | 22:04 |
| * bcurtiswx pokes room | 22:07 | |
| bcurtiswx | wow... a ghost channel | 22:09 |
| _MMA_ | !ask | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 22:10 |
| bcurtiswx | haha.. ok | 22:10 |
| bcurtiswx | bug 269226 i have confirmed, but i know its not a firefox issue but a font issue | 22:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269226 in firefox-3.0 "Web page font rendering issues (palatino font)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269226 | 22:11 |
| bcurtiswx | i need advice on what package I need to assign to this bug so it can be triaged | 22:11 |
| bcurtiswx | noone in the bugs channel knows | 22:11 |
| _MMA_ | bcurtiswx: Hmm... #ubuntu-devel will be able to tell you. | 22:12 |
| bcurtiswx | ok | 22:12 |
| bcurtiswx | thanks, _MMA_ | 22:12 |
| _MMA_ | np. For a D.C. guy. ;) | 22:12 |
| bcurtiswx | where u from? | 22:13 |
| _MMA_ | P.G County/D.C. originally. Now I'm In Raleigh. | 22:13 |
| bcurtiswx | Ah, i'm a Grad Student at George Mason | 22:14 |
| _MMA_ | Cool | 22:14 |
| bcurtiswx | originally from Rochester, NY | 22:14 |
| * _MMA_ likes upstate. Misses snow. | 22:14 | |
| bcurtiswx | Me too, went to SUNY Oswego, snowbelt .. every winter at least 1 4-5 foot snowstorm | 22:15 |
| _MMA_ | Friends from upstate would laugh at a "blizzard in D.C" whenever the news said that. | 22:16 |
| bcurtiswx | yeah, i do | 22:17 |
| bcurtiswx | got like an inch.. people lost their driving skills. was the worst time on the roads i've ever had | 22:17 |
| _MMA_ | Oh well. I still miss D.C. and whatever snow it does get. The Mall looks great when it shows. | 22:17 |
| bcurtiswx | yeah, i plan on taking a metro trip there if it snows | 22:17 |
| bcurtiswx | i hear theres an ice rink at the sculpture garden? | 22:18 |
| _MMA_ | http://www.flickr.com/photos/metalmusicaddict/2087574914/sizes/m/in/set-72157603377813769/ | 22:19 |
| bcurtiswx | cute kid! | 22:19 |
| _MMA_ | bcurtiswx: Hmm... Might be portable. SOmething they put up in windet. | 22:19 |
| _MMA_ | gah | 22:19 |
| _MMA_ | *winter | 22:19 |
| _MMA_ | 2 years ago but yeah. He's cute. ;) | 22:20 |
| Cimi | kwwii, poke me when you'll submit something, I'm interested | 22:22 |
| kwwii | Cimi: not ready to submit anything yet | 22:47 |
| kwwii | but if you want to see the work in progress, it is at http://sinecera.de/progress.png | 22:48 |
| DanaG | Hmm, interesting... what's that? | 22:52 |
| kwwii | just an idea | 22:53 |
| DanaG | argh, line on Murrine tabs is thicker than I like... and the scrollbars are 'funky' (due to ill-fitting rounded outer corners). | 22:55 |
| DanaG | Though the focus thing is a bigger deal to me. | 22:56 |
| DanaG | Hackish as it is, I still like rounded, though. | 22:59 |
| DanaG | Is there no way to draw it non-hackishly? | 22:59 |
| DanaG | I don't know enough about GTK to do anything with it. | 23:00 |
| kwwii | I should just learn to write an engine myself | 23:01 |
| kwwii | and in a year or so I could write something myself and have it look like crap but only blame myself | 23:01 |
| DanaG | Murrine just doesn't "feel" the same. | 23:01 |
| DanaG | Oh yeah, I know why: the scrollbar shading is different, too. | 23:02 |
| DanaG | And progress bars are drastically different. | 23:03 |
| DanaG | Interesting... shading on disabled controls is also different. | 23:06 |
| DanaG | Aah, Compiz zoom is handy for comparing these things. | 23:08 |
| DanaG | Another handy thing: open one twf with one theme or gtk, and another with a different one. Overlay the two, and fade one in and out. | 23:11 |
| DanaG | Murrine has much "harder" edges and gradients. | 23:15 |
| Cimi1 | DanaG: decrease constrast | 23:15 |
| DanaG | Aah, should I just post my metatheme somewhere? | 23:16 |
| Cimi1 | no | 23:16 |
| Cimi1 | just add contrast = 0.7 or what you like | 23:17 |
| DanaG | The Nodoka one didn't have a defined contrast. | 23:17 |
| Cimi1 | remember to use the latest snapshot | 23:17 |
| Cimi1 | nodoka is ugly | 23:17 |
| Cimi1 | gh | 23:17 |
| DanaG | I like it... it's soft even with bright colors. | 23:18 |
| Cimi1 | nodoka is murrine with some static options | 23:18 |
| DanaG | Ugh, Contrast... doesn't do it. | 23:18 |
| Cimi1 | if you're running latest svn | 23:18 |
| DanaG | It does weird things. | 23:18 |
| Cimi1 | add | 23:19 |
| DanaG | I'll check if I'm using svn. | 23:19 |
| Cimi1 | profile = NODOKA | 23:19 |
| DanaG | "profile" rather than "style"? | 23:19 |
| Cimi1 | contrast = 0.8 | 23:19 |
| Cimi1 | yeah, I've changed it today | 23:19 |
| DanaG | Oh, I don't have the SVN anywhere... I mean, I need to make an initial 'get' (or whatever it's called). | 23:19 |
| Cimi1 | svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/murrine/trunk murrine && cd murrine && sudo apt-get install build-essentials libgtk2.0-dev --yes && ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr && sudo make install | 23:21 |
| Cimi1 | it will work | 23:21 |
| Cimi1 | kwwii: mockups! | 23:23 |
| DanaG | Are there also styling changes in the svn? | 23:31 |
| DanaG | I noticed that the borders on things such as combo boxes are much 'harder' on murrine. | 23:31 |
| DanaG | On Nodoka, they match the border around the button -- it uses that 'darkness' all the way around. The Murrine one has the textbox part more darkly bordered. | 23:32 |
| DanaG | Aah, there are also differences in shading on disabled buttons. | 23:36 |
| DanaG | and same with slider controls. | 23:39 |
| DanaG | I wish Fedora had submitted patches, instead of forking | 23:45 |
| DanaG | . | 23:45 |
| DanaG | Grr... Fedora. | 23:46 |
| DanaG | ... speaking of which, here's a leopard wearing one: http://www.skinit.com/skins/graphic_designs/bigcats | 23:46 |
| DanaG | =รพ | 23:46 |
| Cimi1 | DanaG: I don't like nodoka | 23:54 |
| Cimi1 | also, as said, this is a matter of contrast | 23:55 |
| Cimi1 | just decrease the contrast of the entry and you'll have exactly the same color | 23:55 |
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