[08:43] <pitti> seb128: BTW, that compiz startup bug
[08:43] <pitti> seb128: ... isn't one, I just haven't restarted my session in ages \o/
[08:43] <pitti> it works now
[08:43] <seb128> pitti: good ;-)
[08:43] <pitti> (just a very small bday present, I know...)
[09:04] <gicmo> seb128: yo
[09:04] <seb128> gicmo: hey hey
[09:04] <gicmo> seb128: just got the crasher again (trash) myself
[09:05] <seb128> it's a popular one ;-)
[09:05] <seb128> the number of dup was 93 when I looked yesterday
[09:05] <gicmo> seb128: I am thinking about adding a piece of code that might fix it
[09:05] <gicmo> seb128: I just wish I could reproduce it
[09:06] <seb128> right
[09:06] <seb128> gicmo: what piece of code and where?
[09:07] <gicmo> seb128: just add g_vfs_get_default () on the main thread
[09:07] <seb128> that would fix it? I though the issue was dbus used in threads
[09:07] <gicmo> calling that func will cause gio/gvfs to be initialized
[09:07] <gicmo> seb128: well, the issue is that we are initilizing gvfs from the second thread
[09:08] <gicmo> seb128: look at the stack traces, they all crash with gvfs_daemo_init () or g_vfs_get_default () in the second thread
[09:09] <gicmo> what was the lp bug?
[09:09] <gicmo> sorry for not remembering that
[09:09] <seb128> bug #252174
[09:09] <seb128> no problem ;-)
[09:11] <gicmo> This bug has 95 duplicates
[09:11] <gicmo> W T F
[09:13] <gicmo> seb128: since the crash itself is always in the mainloop
[09:13] <seb128> gicmo: that's only ubuntu unstable, I say you are lucky gnome-session 2.23 doesn't enable bug-buddy ;-)
[09:13] <gicmo> seb128: I am wondering if calling the dbus_integrate_with_main function causes the GSource to get invalid or something
[09:14] <seb128> hum, dunno
[09:14] <seb128> brb, I just need to restart my session
[09:18] <gicmo> seb128: sooo
[09:18] <seb128> re
[09:19] <gicmo> re
[09:19] <seb128> gicmo: I've no enough clue about that to tell you if that fixes the issue
[09:19] <gicmo> I am sorry if am distracting you
[09:19] <seb128> oh that doesn't distract me, I've just no good reply ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> I can push patches and wait for user feedback or see if bug reports stop though
[09:21] <seb128> I'm just not enough of a hacker to have a clue about this issue
[09:21] <gicmo> I am not sure the _g_dbus_connection_integrate_with_main () is prepared to handle more then one main integration
[09:24] <seb128> did you try to mail alex? maybe he has some clue about that too and could confirm your idea?
[09:26] <gicmo> seb128: not yet
[09:26] <gicmo> seb128: I am reading the glib dbus bindings right now to confirm my idea whats going on
[09:26] <gicmo> seb128: I think I have my finger at the right point now
[09:57] <pochu> good morning!
[09:58] <seb128> hello pochu
[10:00] <pochu> hi seb128. I did a few basic tests with nemiver 0.6.2
[10:00] <pochu> I think if crevette could test it too, we could sync it
[10:01] <seb128> alright
[10:26] <crevette> pochu: do yo have a package ?
[10:28] <pochu> crevette: yes, let me upload it somewhere
[10:29] <crevette> pochu: I'm in contact with the developers, and there shouldn't have a lot of changes
[10:29] <crevette> so it should work :)
[10:39] <pochu> crevette: http://emilio.pozuelo.org/~deb/
[10:40] <crevette> tx
[11:35] <seb128> mvo_: thanks for sending the gnome-keyboard-properties patch upstream
[11:35] <seb128> mvo_: I've assigned bug #268636 to you since it's in your changes
[11:46] <crevette> pochu: does setting a breakpoint works for you ?
[11:47] <crevette> nemiver doesn't open the source code window
[12:29] <mvo_> seb128: thanks, looking
[12:31] <mvo_> seb128: otherwise it looks good bugwise afaics
[12:38] <pochu> crevette: I haven't tried it yet. I can have a look later if you want
[12:40] <pitti> seb128: any regression reports about the deskbar SRU? (bug 255998)
[12:41] <pitti> seb128: at some point we should move that to -updates, but I'd like to see at least one confirmation "yes it works"
[12:46] <seb128> pitti: oh, it's still not moved? no, no regression bug
[12:47] <pitti> no feedback on the bug
[12:47] <seb128> pitti: the change is one commit to adapt for a website change
[12:48] <seb128> pitti: and is intrepid
[12:48] <seb128> and we got no bug since
[12:48] <seb128> I don't use this website but deskbar-applet was still working correctly when I tried
[12:49] <pitti> ok, thanks
[12:49] <pitti> good 'nuff
[12:49] <seb128> cool, thank you
[12:51] <crevette> I'll try to package latest bluez-gnome for blue 3.x this week end
[12:52] <pochu> seb128: I've connected an ipod in Intrepid. Nautilus shows it's mounted, but it doesn't open in rhythmbox, and if I double-click it in Nautilus it doesn't open. is this a known issue?
[12:54] <pochu> the ipod plugin is enabled, and it used to work
[12:55] <seb128> pochu: no, it works fine for me, it display the "what do you want to do" action which default to starting rhythmbox
[12:55] <seb128> pochu: what action is configured in nautilus?
[12:55] <pochu> Media>Music Player>Ask what to do
[12:55] <pochu> perhaps it's my profile, I can try with a new user
[12:56] <seb128> right
[12:56] <pochu> I have this in .xsession-errors:
[12:56] <pochu> x-session-manager[2806]: DEBUG(+): GsmXSMPClient: Client '0x9d30d60 [nautilus 1085cb869e1fb01e122114555464300900000028060051]' received SaveYourselfDone(success = True)
[12:56] <pochu> x-session-manager[2806]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer: sms_error_handler (0x9d5a210, FALSE, 3, 9, 32771, 0)
[12:56] <pochu> x-session-manager[2806]: DEBUG(+): GsmXsmpServer: ice_io_error_handler (0x9d595d8)
[12:56] <pochu> not sure if that's related to the ipod or it's a different issue
[12:56] <seb128> different one
[12:56] <pochu> hey pedro_!
[12:57] <pochu> seb128: ok, I'm going to try with a new user
[12:57] <pochu> thanks
[12:57] <pedro_> morning pochu!
[12:57] <seb128> hello pedro_
[12:57] <pedro_> salut seb128
[12:58] <lool> pochu: I can't mount USB keys in nautilus anymore
[12:59] <lool> pochu: I think you suffer from the same symptoms
[13:00] <seb128> mvo_: hum, bug #268636 no
[13:00] <seb128> mvo_: the duplicate is using 1:2.23.90-0ubuntu8
[13:00] <pochu> lool: lool right, just tried an usb stick and the same happens
[13:01] <pochu> i.e. it shows in Places, but if I try to open it nothing happens
[13:01] <pochu> even if I right-click and "open in new window", nothing
[13:02] <seb128> anything in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/message about that
[13:05] <lool> * Bug fixes: 546971 - rhythmbox crashed when ejecting an ipod device
[13:05] <lool> in gvfs 0.99.7
[13:08] <pochu> seb128: I lost the connection
[13:08] <pochu> http://pastebin.com/f5692120d
[13:08] <pochu> that's /var/log/messages
[13:08] <seb128> lool: what about it?
[13:08] <lool> Just a guess
[13:08] <seb128> pochu: nothing special there
[13:09] <lool> I had a gvfs update to 0.99.7.1 on the 9th, and now things are borken
[13:09] <seb128> lool: that was a ref counting issue, I doubt it breaks mounting
[13:09] <pochu> and syslog: http://pastebin.com/f570b3286
[13:09] <lool> I didn't downgrade, but it's first thing I'd suspect
[13:09] <pochu> (the output of "grep -A 10 -B 10 -i usb /var/log/syslog")
[13:09] <seb128> lool: and we had the patch in the previous version
[13:09] <lool> ok
[13:18] <pochu> could it be a kernel issue?
[13:19] <pochu> I can reboot into the new and shiny -3 ;)
[13:21] <seb128> hey mvo_
[13:21] <seb128> mvo_: did you read what I wrote before?
[13:26] <mvo_> seb128: no?
[13:26] <mvo_> seb128: sorry, dropped offline, the line is bad today
[13:26] <seb128> mvo_:   bug #268636, the duplicate uses 1:2.23.90-0ubuntu8, so you closed it wrongly
[13:27] <seb128> mvo_: and bug #269328 for you to sponsor, typo in the string you added
[13:27] <mvo_> thanks seb128, checking
[14:37] <andreasn> seb128: regarding https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidMenusReview, I fixed the xsane icon thing on my own system, but how do I forward these changes to you? diff the desktop file and send a patch?
[14:38] <andreasn> seb128: I more or less just changed one line of text
[14:38] <seb128> andreasn: what format is used for the icon? diff or attach the new icon to launchpad
[14:38] <seb128> andreasn: and subscribe the ubuntu-main-sponsors team too
[14:38] <andreasn> seb128: I just changed icon=xsane to icon=scanner
[14:39] <seb128> andreasn: ah, easy enough, so yes just the diff on a bug would be nice ;-)
[14:39] <andreasn> all right, will do
[14:39] <seb128> thanks!
[14:45] <mvo> seb128: just to clarify, gnome-session now uses gnome-wm again and that uses /desktop/gnome/applicatons/window_manager/default again?
[14:46] <seb128> mvo: yes
[14:46] <mvo> thanks
[14:46]  * mvo updates the g-c-c patch
[14:50] <seb128> mvo: what is wrong in the patch?
[14:51] <seb128> mvo: the code uses /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager, not sure if we should rather change this one and update gnome-wm to use it too
[14:51] <seb128> vuntz: ^
[14:56] <vuntz> yes, use the upstream key if possible :-)
[14:57] <mvo_> seb128: the patch currently writes this location but that does not seem to be sufficient
[14:57] <mvo_> I don't mind either way
[14:58] <seb128> vuntz: what is the upstream key? the
[14:59] <seb128> mvo_: use the required_components one rather then
[14:59] <vuntz> seb128: /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager,
[14:59] <seb128> ok, what I though, thanks
[14:59] <mvo_> will gnome-session run what is found there?
[15:00] <mvo_> or will gnome-session run gnome-wm regardless?
[15:00] <seb128> mvo_: arg, tricky
[15:00] <seb128> mvo_: gnome-session will run what is in /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager
[15:00] <seb128> which is gnome-wm in intrepid
[15:00] <seb128> if we don't do that we don't have fallback working
[15:02] <seb128> now, not sure if the capplet should change this one
[15:02] <mvo_> hm, the fallback is part of the compiz startup script. or does gnome-session get confused when instead of compiz suddently metacity registers itself
[15:02] <seb128> or if we should always use gnome-wm and let do it the logic
[15:03] <seb128> mvo_: that should not be the case but gnome-wm handles lot of other case, openbox users for example
[15:03] <mvo_> ok, cool
[15:04] <seb128> "cool"? I'm still not clear what we should do ;-)
[15:08] <mvo_> "cool"> that gnome-session does not get confused
[15:08] <seb128> ;-)
[15:08] <mvo_> I have a look into the gnome-session source now
[15:10] <mvo_> ok, so the current patch in g-c-c writes to the wrong gconf location anyway :)
[15:10] <mvo_> that explains the issues I see
[15:13] <seb128> ok
[15:13] <mvo_> let go with modifiying /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager in the appearance cpaplet
[15:13] <mvo_> I think that way users who are looking at the documentation to see where the window manager is set will find the right answer
[15:14] <mvo_> instead of having to go via gnome-wm to yet another location
[15:14] <mvo_> what do you think?
[15:23] <mvo> seb128: sorry, line dropped *again*
[15:23] <seb128> re mvo
[15:23] <mvo> seb128: I hit my router hard with a hammer now, should be better :)
 let go with modifiying /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager in the appearance cpaplet
[15:23] <mvo>  I think that way users who are looking at the documentation to see where the window manager is set will find the right answer
[15:23] <mvo>  instead of having to go via gnome-wm to yet another location
 what do you think?
[15:23] <seb128> mvo: works for me
[15:23] <mvo> thanks!
[15:24] <seb128> thank *you* for looking at that ;-)
[15:28] <mvo> seb128: excellent, seems to work and is commited to bzr now \o/
[15:28] <seb128> mvo: good job ;-)
[15:41] <mpt> tedg, reasons for the status menu to be first: * Usually used more often, by those who use it at all. * Strengthens the connection between the icon in the menu and the icons for the status items. * Switching accounts and lock/shut down/etc are more closely related than changing status and lock/shut down/etc are.
[15:41] <tedg> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ted/fusa-screenie-2008091209.png
[15:42] <tedg> mpt: Yeah, I agree.
[15:42] <mpt> However...
[15:42] <tedg> I think it also means we could go back to indenting the names and having "Switch User" above them -- which I liked better.
[15:43] <mpt> tedg, reasons for the list of accounts to be first: * Applicable more often (assuming the guest account is on by default). * Strengthens the connection between the name in the menu title and the names of the other accounts. * It's possible that future versions will have more complex status stuff, e.g. a field for you to enter custom status text, or to do twittering, or whatever.
[15:43] <tedg> We need to solve the users with the same real name problem.
[15:44] <mpt> (By "applicable more often" I mean "applicable to more people", since not everyone uses IM.)
[15:44] <tedg> I don't have numbers, but I'm guessing that more people us IM than FUS.
[15:45] <tedg> Especially on the cases of "Single user laptop"
[15:45] <mpt> hmm, likely
[15:47] <tedg> We should make that into a term.  SUL.  It's actually a big use case.
[15:50] <tedg> mpt: Are you in #ubuntu-devel?  They're discussing jockey terms.
[15:51] <mpt> tedg, I'm one of "they"
[15:53] <tedg> mpt: Sorry, you're a different color in that window :)
[15:55] <mpt> tedg, report a bug :-)
[15:57] <tedg> Heh, perhaps, but I'm trying to cut down on Karma. ;)
[16:02] <glatzor> mvo__, hi
[16:02] <mpt> tedg, this is the ideal menu for social climbers. It's all about status and power.
[16:04] <tedg> mpt: I think you should propose that for the name -- social climbing menu.
[16:08] <andreasn> tedg: is this ready for Ibex or the one after it? might be nice to use the same icons as Pidgin if for Ibex.
[16:09] <andreasn> to make the graphic connection stronger
[16:10] <tedg> andreasn: It's for Intrepid.  I don't know, I kinda want to push towards Empathy ;)
[16:10]  * andreasn should try to get these into the base icon set anyway
[16:11] <tedg> I used the icon naming spec names, so they'll probably get themed by everyone.
[16:11] <tedg> So I imagine it won't match Pidgin anyway in the end.
[16:11] <andreasn> how sneaky of you ;)
[16:12] <tedg> andreasn: Yeah, you know those artists, you have to manipulate them in subtle ways :)
[16:13] <andreasn> you mean like "crap, we want consistency at every cost, crap, might as well change the IM client!"? :)
[16:29] <tedg> mpt: What's you're plan?  Should I start something new, or wait for a quick turn around on some menu shuffles?
[16:29] <tedg> s/you're/your/
[16:32] <mpt> tedg, Mark has been in a meeting for a while so I wouldn't expect a quick turnaround
[16:33] <tedg> mpt: 'k, I'll break other things then :)
[16:34] <mpt> and now it's time for me to find problems with intrepidly exiting
[17:11] <pochu> seb128, lool: usb stick mounts fine now
[17:12] <andreasn> seb128: oh, I already sent a patch last year
[17:12] <pochu> I didn't have nautilus/gnome-panel/ubuntu-desktop installed
[17:12] <andreasn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsane/+bug/129687
[17:12] <pochu> I've reinstalled them, and it works now
[17:17] <crevette> pochu: a I had that too yesterday
[17:17] <crevette> I was quite surprised
[17:21] <pochu> I think it's update-manager's fault
[17:31] <pochu> mvo__: wasn't there an update-manager bug about it removing essential packages with the partial upgrade thing?
[17:33] <pochu> ah, bug 219444
[18:07] <mpt> vuntz, hi, what's your preferred medium for small tweaks to make to the Log Out and Shut Down dialogs? E-mail message? b.g.o bug reports?
[18:07] <mpt> A single omnibus bug report?
[18:11] <johanbr> Speaking of which, I noticed that pressing the power button now only gives me the option to log out or switch users. That seems a little illogical.
[18:13] <vuntz> mpt: probably best to add comments to the upstream bug about this
[18:13] <vuntz> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507101
[18:19] <tedg> mpt: GNOME is in hard code freeze -- so if we want something for Ubuntu, we'll probably have to distro patch it.
[18:20] <mpt> joy
[18:49] <bertoldia> pitti? Axel here.
[18:49] <pitti> oh, hey bertoldia!
[18:49] <bertoldia> hey!
[18:49] <bertoldia> just got your last email after having sent mine.
[18:50] <bertoldia> I happy to travel to Portland or to to do it over the phone.
[18:51] <bertoldia> Whatever is more convenient for you.
[18:52] <pitti> bertoldia: sorry, X just crashed (doing some debugging); did you say anything after your mail ack?
[18:53] <bertoldia> I'm happy to travel to Portland or to do it over the phone.
[18:53] <bertoldia> Whatever is more convenient for you.
[18:53] <pitti> bertoldia: well, meeting in person is always nice, it just sounded like a lot of effort for an hour of talking :)
[18:55] <bertoldia> pitti: I'm happy to do it.
[18:55] <bertoldia> I also have friends there to visit.
[18:56] <pitti> bertoldia: ok, great! see you next Thursday then
[18:56] <bertoldia> Pitti: Great! See you then!
[18:56] <bertoldia> Cheers.
[19:04] <pochu> johanbr: there's two buttons/dialogs now, you were probably pressing the logout/switch users one ;)
[19:04] <james_w> I've just restarted my session and I don't get a functioning desktop back, I get a mouse pointer and the desktop background, but no panel etc.
[19:04] <james_w> has anyone seen this?
[19:05] <johanbr> pochu: I was pressing the physical power button on my laptop.
[19:05] <pochu> oh
[19:05] <pochu> james_w: yes, install ubuntu-desktop!
[19:05] <vuntz> tedg: the patch is not committed upstream, so we don't care about hard code freeze. It's just a patch in a bug
[19:05] <james_w> cripes! thanks pochu
[19:06] <pochu> james_w: bug 269409
[19:06] <james_w> thanks
[19:06] <pochu> james_w: thank pedro_ who helped me before :)
[19:06] <james_w> thanks pedro_ :-)
[19:07] <tedg> vuntz: Ah, okay.  mpt, also.
[19:07] <pedro_> you're welcome ;-)
[19:08]  * mvo goes to fix that
[19:08]  * pochu hugs mvo 
[19:22] <mpt> vuntz, done
[20:22] <geser> does libgail-dev got merged into libgtk2.0-dev?
[20:40] <mvo> pochu: could you put your apt.log file somewhere? I'm curious what might have cause the removal of ubuntu-desktop for you