[00:44] <Rocket2DMn> im not able to do the search to see what pages are marked with Tags
[00:45] <Rocket2DMn> which pretty much ruins the point
[00:46] <Rocket2DMn> or maybe its b/c nothing is actually tagged yet...
[00:50] <Rocket2DMn> ok it just refreshes the Tag page if you try to search for a tag that hasnt been used yet
[16:56] <tedg> Hello, I posted a message to the mailing list that is now in the moderation queue.  Could someone forward it through please?
[21:12] <technomensc1> good afternoon.
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc1, i thought CategoryApplications and related was something Duncan Lithgow created b/c he didn't know about CategorySoftware
[21:42] <technomensc1> I've lost track
[21:42] <Rocket2DMn> i tagged the app stuff for deletion
[21:43] <technomensc1> that's why I brought it to the mailling list
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> not everything will have Tags, I think the Tags are only for the doc-team's and other contributors' benefit
[21:44] <technomensc1> I agree.
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> other categories that are based on the page content and purpose should be kept
[21:44] <Rocket2DMn> to a degree anyway, there are too many, which is what we are trying to slim down
[21:45] <technomensc1> ::nod:: I was trying to do the best I could with that
[21:45] <Rocket2DMn> in the table you  made, where you said "Converted Category Links to Tags" - is this like a status column?
[21:45] <technomensc1> I'd like that to be
[21:45] <technomensc1> the idea was for the articles that need the docs team tags only
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> OK, ill expand on that page a bit, i just got back from the gym, so i need to clean up and eat
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> ill ping you when i get back
[21:46] <technomensc1> if I'm arround.  please feel free.  it was more of a free flowing of ideaas
[21:46] <Rocket2DMn> can do
[21:57] <mdke> technomensc1: so, in the section "Documentation Team Categories where no tags currently exist", are you proposing new tags?
[21:59] <mdke> technomensc1: I think we can discard certainly "CategoryDocumentation" (because the whole wiki is documentation) and the Template related pages, which aren't really categories at all and are a whole different concept
[21:59] <technomensc1> if there is a kind of agreement, than I was going to move that proposal to the tags page, yes
[21:59] <technomensc1> fine with me.  you guys have been at this longer than I
[22:00] <mdke> technomensc1: as for the others, I think they are covered by existing tags, to be honest - I don't think they merit new tags. The more tags we have, the more confusing things are
[22:00] <mdke> we need to strive to keep things simple, I think
[22:00] <technomensc1> well I wasn't able to figure out which would correspond with which
[22:00] <mdke> obviously, if there is genuinely a need for a new tag, we should consider it - is there any in that list that you think are very important and not covered at all by the existing ones?
[22:00] <technomensc1> to be honest, it was more asking, which to pair up with which tag
[22:01] <mdke> gotcha
[22:01] <technomensc1> I needed help
[22:01] <mdke> ok, let's take them in turn
[22:01] <mdke> CategoryNoParent - there's no requirement for pages to have parents, so that can go
[22:02] <mdke> CategoryNotDocumentation is the same as Tag/Moving
[22:02] <mdke> CategoryDevelopment - ditto
[22:02] <technomensc1> we have the moving tag
[22:02] <technomensc1> for between community docs and team docs
[22:02] <technomensc1> do we need the other way around
[22:03] <mdke> well, the team wiki doesn't have tags, it's outside our domain really
[22:03] <mdke> but we use CategoryDocumentation to mark pages on the team wiki which could be moved into the help wiki
[22:03] <mdke> carrying on down the list...
[22:03] <technomensc1> rephrase- WERE using till we decided to move to tags :)
[22:04] <mdke> no, you're not following me
[22:04] <mdke> the tag system is intended to be used on the help wiki
[22:04] <mdke> it's not intended to be used on the team wiki
[22:05] <mdke> for identifying pages in the team wiki which are documentation and which could be moved into the help wiki, we have used (and can continue to use) CategoryDocumentation
[22:05] <mdke> you're clear on the distinction between the help wiki and the team wiki right? (I ask because a lot of people are confused by the distinction)
[22:05] <technomensc1> the help community wiki is for technical documentation related to the using of the os
[22:06] <technomensc1> the team wiki is for how we manage those docs
[22:06] <technomensc1> and communicate with each other
[22:06] <mdke> right, and also for all other Ubuntu teams, like the development team, marketing team etc
[22:06] <technomensc1> ::nod::
[22:06] <mdke> cool
[22:06] <mdke> ok back to the list
[22:07] <mdke> CategoryDiscontinued is the same as Tag/Unsupported (or Tag/Deletion in extreme cases)
[22:07] <mdke> I think that deals with all of em
[22:08] <technomensc1> alright.  now, there was a bit of confusion on my part between category software and category applications
[22:10] <mdke> ok
[22:11] <mdke> hmm, why have those Debian pages been moved to the help wiki, they totally don't belong there
[22:11] <technomensc1> I haven't touched them.  I've only been working on this discussion page
[22:12] <technomensc1> unless you are talking about Reassign/Update/Remove
[22:13] <mdke> no, nothing to do with you, I just noticed there was a CategoryDebian which isn't needed
[22:13] <technomensc1> LOL.  yea, I noticed that myself.  I was clueless what we should do with it
[22:14]  * mdke cleans up
[22:15] <technomensc1> mind if I quote you on my notes on that page?
[22:15] <Rocket2DMn> hehe yeah team wiki...
[22:15] <Rocket2DMn> i mentioned it on the email list last spring, the Beginners Team is using the help wiki to stay organized
[22:16] <mdke> technomensc1: in which bit?
[22:16] <Rocket2DMn> the basic structure was already in place when i showed up, so i just expanded on it
[22:16] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah, I know, the WikiTeam pages are there too, but they should both really be moved
[22:16] <technomensc1> the category tags
[22:16] <technomensc1> I mean category titles that we agree weren't needed
[22:16] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, ping
[22:16] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, if they really need to be moved, i can work on bringing them over sometime
[22:17] <mdke> technomensc1: I think the "Documentation Team Categories where no tags currently exist" section can just be removed from that page, to be honest, if you're happy with my explanation above
[22:17] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, could save the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCategory/PageDiscussion so I can correct a small typo?
[22:18] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I'd like to do the WikiTeam bit myself, because I've been thinking a bit recently about the best way to do it, and I want to try and blend it in with the DocumentationTeam pages. But if you could do the Beginners Team pages (if that team is happy with it), then that would be great
[22:18] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, I mean please save that page so I can edit it for a moment.
[22:18] <mdke> hi duncan-nz
[22:18] <Rocket2DMn> duncan-nz, i wouldnt worry about typoes at the moment, the pag eis still undergoing a lot of work
[22:18] <technomensc1> duncan, I need to address the concerns made by me and matt first
[22:18] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, it's a necessary one to stop out list of categories adding the page to each category.
[22:18] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, ok
[22:18] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, ill work on moving the structure in a month or two, the BT needs a big heads up well in advance
[22:18] <technomensc1> and you removed the checklist which was quite a necessaity to the page
[22:19] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yes, that's perfectly understandable
[22:19] <Rocket2DMn> hey what happened, the page lost the structure we had...
[22:19] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, when you can a chance please change CategorySoftwareCleanup to ``Category``Software``Cleanup thanks.
[22:20] <technomensc1> rocket2dmn, that would be me.....
[22:20] <Rocket2DMn> ok go ahead and do w/e you will with the page
[22:20] <technomensc1> but I'm still trying to find out who removed the checklist
[22:20] <mdke> guys, let's get a bit of perspective about this page before we get too attached to it
[22:20] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc1, i got an email update on the page, i think duncan-nz did
[22:20] <technomensc1> LOL
[22:20] <duncan-nz> I've also edited on top of someone about an hour ago. I think the notice that someone else has the page needs to be much clearer! I didn't notice it at all.
[22:21]  * Rocket2DMn enters perspective mode
[22:21] <mdke> the reason I tried to play down an attempt to fix a definitive list of categories, is that it's not really possible
[22:21] <mdke> people introduce new categories on the wiki all the time and there will always be new ones springing up around the place
[22:22] <mdke> what we need to ensure is that the cleanup Tags that we have introduced can replace the existing cleanup tags, leaving the "subject-matter" tags to develop naturally, as they will
[22:22] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, agreed, but how do we handle that?  i thought part of the process was to clean out some of those weirder mostly unused tags
[22:22] <technomensc1> and unused categories that make no sense
[22:22] <duncan-nz> there are only 20 pages left in the cleanup tags.
[22:22] <mdke> wow
[22:23] <mdke> that's cool
[22:23] <duncan-nz> yup, someone's been hard at work.
[22:23] <technomensc1> that cannot be right unless he means changing from category cleanup to tag cleanup
[22:23] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yes, clearing out won't hurt, but the aim of that discussion page seems to be rather wider than that
[22:23] <duncan-nz> that's what I mean
[22:24] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, i think one of our issues is that we don't have a description of _exactly_ what it is that we are trying to do
[22:24] <Rocket2DMn> difficult to have a proposal without a mission
[22:24] <duncan-nz> oh, sorry I wrote tags, I meant CategorySoftwareCleanup and CategoryApplicationsCleanup - not quite the smae at all...
[22:24] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: how about this - "to add the various Tags which we have to the pages that they apply to" :)
[22:25] <Rocket2DMn> duncan-nz, i would tag those two categories with the new ContentCleanup tag, sinec we are getting rid of CategoryCleanup, too
[22:25] <technomensc1> I thought that was the original plan all along
[22:25] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, yes, but also to clean shop on the existing Categories that they are replacing
[22:25] <duncan-nz> Rocket2DMn, ok
[22:25] <Rocket2DMn> duncan-nz, check with mdke on my suggestion
[22:25] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: i don't understand the concept of tagging a category page :)
[22:26] <mdke> (re your suggestion)
[22:26] <technomensc1> LOL.  here is my thought process and let's see if we are on the same page.....
[22:26] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, arent we trying to get rid of the usage of CategoryCleanup and CategoryNeedsExpansion in favor of tags
[22:26] <duncan-nz> Rocket2DMn, I've just been using tags and deleting the link to Category$somethingCleanup
[22:26] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yes, absolutely right
[22:26] <mdke> duncan-nz: also right
[22:26] <Rocket2DMn> duncan-nz, +1
[22:27] <mdke> ah, we still have 300 pages in CategoryCleanup, I misunderstood duncan-nz earlier when he referred to 20 pages
[22:27] <Rocket2DMn> I think right now CategoryCleanup is a bit heavy, i will have the BT wiki FG start helping with that
[22:27] <technomensc1> and that was why I had put the checklist on the discussion page.  so we could track when we had finished converting the categorylinks to tags
[22:27] <duncan-nz> mdke, my statement was misleading
[22:27] <Rocket2DMn> lets sideline CategoryCleanup for right now
[22:27] <mdke> duncan-nz: I've got it now :)
[22:28] <mdke> technomensc1: there isn't a need for a checklist... you just look at the Category page and it shows you how many pages it has left in it, or am I misunderstanding your objective?
[22:28] <Rocket2DMn> NeedsExpansion is much smaller, those can be converted to the Needs Expansion tag
[22:28] <technomensc1> would everyone agree that we need to finish with the tagging before we even think about categories?
[22:28] <duncan-nz> Hej I'm off to bed. But it's great to be able to see and help with some real progress aon the http://help.ubuntu.com/ wiki
[22:28] <Rocket2DMn> gnight duncan-nz , thanks for stopping by
[22:28] <duncan-nz> technomensc1, perhaps, but the page we're playing on now is about categories.
[22:28] <mdke> night
[22:28] <duncan-nz> night all.
[22:28] <mdke> technomensc1: well, part of the exercise is to remove the category label when you add the tag, but I think I know what you mean
[22:29] <duncan-nz> (I'm in denmark so it is actually late)
[22:29] <mdke> I agree that we should forget about "subject-matter" categories for now
[22:29] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc1, they are tied together, the Tag system was created to replace some of the Categories because categories arent as visible or descriptive
[22:29] <technomensc1> ::nod:::
[22:29] <Rocket2DMn> so here's how i see it:
[22:29] <mdke> ok, we're on the same page right now
[22:30] <Rocket2DMn> 1) replace all CAtegoryNeedsExpansion pages with Needs Expansion tag - this we can do immediately
[22:30] <technomensc1> same with categorydeletion
[22:30] <technomensc1> and categorymoving
[22:30] <Rocket2DMn> 2) have a wiki admin go through and delete the appropriate pages under CategoryDeletion - all future deletion requests should go under the Deletion tag
[22:30] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: hold for a sec
[22:30] <Rocket2DMn> (please be careful not to delete pages that link to deletion but arent marked ot be removed)
[22:30]  * Rocket2DMn holds
[22:31] <mdke> that's helpful. While we're on it, let's just identify all the other categories that fall under your (1)
[22:31] <technomensc1> mdke, would you be willing to go onto the Tag page and demonstrate what we were talking about regarding which category corresponds to which tags
[22:31] <mdke> yep, let's make a list
[22:31] <mdke> so, needsexpansion
[22:31] <mdke> moving
[22:31] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, CategoryCleanup will fall under it, but it is so large that i think we can wait until we have the rest under control
[22:32] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: no, sorry
[22:32] <Rocket2DMn> no?
[22:32] <mdke> in (1), we're talking about categories which exactly correspond to a tag
[22:32] <mdke> i.e. the easy bit
[22:32] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, those do
[22:32] <mdke> right, so we'll come on to CategoryCleanup later
[22:32] <mdke> I just want to make a list of (1) categories
[22:32] <technomensc1> that's the hardest, so that's last
[22:33] <Rocket2DMn> in fact CategoryCleanup matches a few tags - Content cleanup, Style Cleanup, Unsupported Version, and Page Too Long
[22:33] <mdke> yes, exactly. that's why I said hold so we can talk about the easy ones
[22:33] <Rocket2DMn> ok good, we're on the same page then
[22:33] <mdke> so, NeedsExpansion, Moving, Discontinued, NotDocumentation all correspond to existing tags. Any others?
[22:33] <mdke> I'm writing this down so we can have a little plan of action
[22:34] <technomensc1> getting back to your list.....shouldn't you also post the categories to remove, like noparent,development,discontinues
[22:34] <Rocket2DMn> thats another step technomensc1
[22:34] <mdke> yes, that can be (3)
[22:34] <mdke> anything else for (1)?
[22:34] <Rocket2DMn> is somebody recording this on the PageDiscussion right now?
[22:34] <technomensc1> oh, we're still talking about 1
[22:34] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I'm writing it down
[22:34] <Rocket2DMn> groovy
[22:35] <technomensc1> well there was the obvious deletion mdke
[22:35] <technomensc1> that's not on your list
[22:35] <mdke> yes, let's add that
[22:36] <mdke> any others?
[22:36] <Rocket2DMn> can you list the ones you have please
[22:36] <technomensc1> the library here closes in about 20 min, so that's what I've got left
[22:36] <mdke> 22:33:28 < mdke> so, NeedsExpansion, Moving, Discontinued, NotDocumentation all correspond to existing tags. Any others?
[22:36] <mdke> +Deletion
[22:36] <mdke> technomensc1: that should be about right :)
[22:37] <technomensc1> at this moment, that's all I can think of.  any more and I'll send to the mailing list
[22:37] <Rocket2DMn> not documentation -> moving tag?
[22:37] <nixternal> whoa it is the mastah himeself!
[22:37] <nixternal> how's it going mdke?
[22:37] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah
[22:37] <mdke> nixternal: good thanks, you?
[22:37] <Rocket2DMn> ok lets move on then
[22:37] <nixternal> busy busy busy :)
[22:37] <nixternal> work is killing my time
[22:37] <mdke> :)
[22:37] <technomensc1> step 2 is getting rid of the doc categories that are pointless......
[22:37] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ok, go ahead with your (3)
[22:37] <technomensc1> what about 2
[22:37] <Rocket2DMn> what was 3 going to be?
[22:38] <mdke> ok, timeout
[22:38] <Rocket2DMn> lo
[22:38] <technomensc1> LOL
[22:38] <Rocket2DMn> i think you combined 1 and 2
[22:38] <mdke> Rocket2DMn's (2) was the Deletion tag, which we've dealt with
[22:38] <mdke> so (2) disappears into (1)
[22:38] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[22:38] <mdke> anyone crosseyed yet?
[22:38] <Rocket2DMn> so now, new (2)
[22:38] <technomensc1> getting there
[22:38] <mdke> new (2) it is. that's technomensc1's one
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> 2 = page content categories
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> yes?
[22:39] <technomensc1> no
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> :confuseded:
[22:39] <mdke> (2)Removing unwanted Categories
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> right
[22:39] <technomensc1> categorynoparent, notdocumentation, development,discontinues,template, etc....
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> ok lets expand on that
[22:39] <technomensc1> we already did
[22:39] <Rocket2DMn> i think we want to keep Template (is this used)
[22:40] <technomensc1> you were taking a shower
[22:40] <Rocket2DMn> oooh
[22:40] <Rocket2DMn> wait i read that
[22:40] <mdke> we should keep Template
[22:40] <mdke> it's part of Moin's way of handling stuff, rather than one of our categories
[22:40] <technomensc1> fine with me
[22:40] <technomensc1> ok
[22:40] <technomensc1> works for me
[22:40] <Rocket2DMn> there is CategoryTemplate and DocumnetaitonTemplate
[22:40] <mdke> NoParent is a definite gonnar
[22:40] <technomensc1> was just about to ask that rocket
[22:40] <mdke> NoDocumentation and Development and Discontinued are part of (1), so they don't count
[22:40] <Rocket2DMn> i think we want to keep the first one
[22:41] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: they are two totally different concepts
[22:41] <Rocket2DMn> oh ok
[22:41] <technomensc1> I see what he means
[22:41] <technomensc1> but can we rename them.....
[22:41] <Rocket2DMn> what about CategoryDocumentaiton?
[22:41] <mdke> any page ending in "Template" appears in the left hand menu when you create a new page, to allow you to use a template
[22:41] <mdke> CategoryTemplate is a page which lists all Templates
[22:41] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: good one
[22:41] <Rocket2DMn> delete that one mdke ?
[22:41] <mdke> yeah
[22:42] <mdke> others?
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> +1
[22:42] <technomensc1> so mdke, you'll explain on the tag page which tags go with nodocumentation/development/discontinued back in (1), right?
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> there are quite a few we can delete, i had my suggestions listed, but it got removed
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> CategoryUbuntu804 and its subpage?
[22:42] <technomensc1> rocket, I think I moved them, not deleted them...check the diff
[22:42] <mdke> technomensc1: I'm going to do it in a separate document that I'll post on the mailing list
[22:42] <technomensc1> wrong topic rocket
[22:43] <technomensc1> that's like 4 or 5
[22:43] <Rocket2DMn> oh, ok...
[22:43] <mdke> haha, this is total mayhem. I think we can leave 804 until another day
[22:43] <technomensc1> agreed
[22:43] <mdke> when we have implemented proper version tags
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> is version tags one of our numbered things on the to-do list today?
[22:44] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: no. we need to add some software to the wiki first, which sommer wrote
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[22:44] <mdke> so, any more for (2)?
[22:44] <Rocket2DMn> we might need to expaond on 2 when we have a definitive list
[22:45] <mdke> I see the list on the Discussion page
[22:45] <mdke> but I think that's a bit ambitious for now
[22:45] <technomensc1> rocket, #2 is only for the docs team tags for now
[22:45] <mdke> let's leave the issue of "subject-matter" categories until later
[22:45] <technomensc1> and the categories we don't need
[22:45] <Rocket2DMn> ah ok
[22:45] <mdke> although, please remove CategoryHomepage from that table - we probably need that for the time being
[22:45] <technomensc1> not up to subject yet.  we can't do subjects until we know what we ourselves are doing
[22:46] <mdke> alright, (3) is CategoryCleanup, right?
[22:46] <Rocket2DMn> ok
[22:46] <mdke> ok, I can sketch that out. I think 3 is enough
[22:47] <mdke> anything we've missed?
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> for CategoryCleanup, the pages marked with that need to be removed from the category and assigned appropriate Tag (there are a few that apply)
[22:47]  * mdke nods
[22:47] <technomensc1> the only thing is distinguishing between appcleanup and softwarecleanup
[22:47] <technomensc1> and how did that get duplicated?
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> yeah thats part of the content stuff technomensc1
[22:47] <Rocket2DMn> or is it
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> duncan did that i think
[22:48] <Rocket2DMn> b/c he didnt know about the Software stuff
[22:49] <technomensc1> how about anything that is either one, just tag as cleanup for now
[22:49] <technomensc1> and we'll worry about application or software afterwards
[22:49] <technomensc1> when we hit the content stuff
[22:49] <Rocket2DMn> actually Application and Software stuff is a mess, i looked through those yesterday, there are a string of pages pointing you to other pages, some of those which we are trying to get rid of in favor of tags...
[22:49] <mdke> yes, we should discuss that on the mailing list
[22:50] <mdke> I think it's pretty difficult to make out a case for a rational distinction between "Application" and "Software", but duncan seems to have an idea, so we'll see what he has to say
[22:50] <technomensc1> if he can ever get the emails....didn't he complain about that.  can't he check the archives on the site?
[22:50] <Rocket2DMn> he just didnt know, so the CategoryApplications and CategoryApplicationsCleanup are to be removed
[22:51]  * mdke shrugs
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> duncan created CategorySoftwareCleanup to replace CategoryApplicationsCleanup
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> b/c CategorySoftware already existed
[22:51] <technomensc1> as of right now, categoryapplicationscleanup and softwarecleanup just get those cleanup tags
[22:51] <mdke> now I'm really crosseyed
[22:51] <technomensc1> and get category links revmoed.  that would be my recommendation
[22:51] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, exactly
[22:51] <technomensc1> backtracking....
[22:51] <mdke> but we made some good progress, I'll write it up and post it
[22:51] <technomensc1> may I take the speaking stick?
[22:52]  * Rocket2DMn listens
[22:53] <technomensc1> as of right now, regarding software and applicationcleanup....just tag them with the cleanup tags or more content, or whatever tags fit the best.
[22:53] <technomensc1> leave the categorysoftware or applicationcleanup links
[22:53] <technomensc1> so we can find them later
[22:54] <technomensc1> or change them to just categorysoftware or categoryapplication...ya, that's better
[22:54] <technomensc1> <<can't think
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> i would rename CategoryApplicaitonsCleanup to CategorySoftwareCleanup
[22:54] <technomensc1> and I think just change it to categorysoftware with a cleanup tag
[22:54] <Rocket2DMn> same for CatregoryApplicatiosn->CategorySoftware
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> move in baby steps essentially
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> then we can get rid of the Applications* categories
[22:55] <technomensc1> and THEN move to tagging, good idea
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> then tag CategorySoftwareCleanup with the appropriate Tag and remove the Category
[22:55] <technomensc1> will be longer, but make more sense
[22:55] <technomensc1> agreed
[22:56] <technomensc1> any seconds?
[22:56] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc1, i would have liked to do it in one swoop, but after looking through it yesterday, its just too confusing
[22:56] <technomensc1> I agree with you completely rocket
[22:56] <technomensc1> we need to see what we have before we can do anything with it
[22:57] <technomensc1> and on that note, I have to bid you both farewell.  I think this was very productive.  pleasure working with both of you
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> thanks technomensc1 same to you
[22:57] <mdke> me too
[22:57] <mdke> cheers
[22:59] <Rocket2DMn> ok mdke, after you put the outline on the wiki, we can get started
[22:59] <Rocket2DMn> its Friday, take your time :)
[23:00] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: cool, thanks. Cya
[23:01] <Rocket2DMn> ill be around if you need to chat more, just ping me.  we got some good work done, 100x faster than over email, hehe