[00:10] <kgoetz> why do we sudenly have 2 people intalling the same ircd? within 30 minutes of each other?
[00:11] <slangasek> because they're talking about the same ircd installation?
[00:11] <kgoetz> wonder whos put 'yay instlal this' on thier website - i cant think of any other requests for that irc that i've seen in here
[00:12] <slangasek> er, does the fact that they're connected from the same IP tell you anything?
[00:13]  * kgoetz looks - its a it early in the day for trickery like that
[00:16] <Baryon> Do you always talk about people online like they're not there?
[00:17] <Baryon> Maybe you could get an answer if you talked TO me, not ABOUT me?
[00:20] <lukehasnoname> caught in a lie
[00:34] <slangasek> Baryon: as I already answered Quark_, you're not likely to find much ircd expertise here; this channel is for the Ubuntu Server flavor, and hybrid-ircd is not a supported part of that
[00:39] <Quark_> slangasek: Thanks.
[00:42] <Quark_> Is there a supported IRC server w/ Ubuntu v7.10?
[00:43] <slangasek> there are no IRC servers in the security-supported set, no
[00:44] <slangasek> I think most of the servers you'll find people running around here are file, database, mail, web, and directory servers
[00:45] <Quark_> This a web server, but one of the teachers needs to run her office-hour online.
[00:46] <Quark_> We have been using an old IRCD server on an old Slackware mahine that is failing.
[00:48] <Quark_> ircd-hybrid seemed a resonable alternative, if I can just get it to notice port 6667
[02:06] <kgoetz> :/ *finds the certificates-and-security page quite confusing* :/
[02:06] <kgoetz> oh well. meeting. afk
[02:21] <|erirb|> hello, all.
[02:21] <|erirb|> I'm looking for some good ubuntu server advocacy. So far I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VersusRedHat
[02:22] <|erirb|> does anyone has other good source?
[04:16] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #269251 in bacula (universe) "package bacula 2.4.2-1ubuntu4~hardy1 failed to install/upgrade: Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269251
[06:36] <remote> hello
[06:36] <remote> i'm seeing weird processes like this one: root      1773 99.9  0.1   3388  1712 ?        R    Sep11 809:01 ?ii?��ÿ??�?޷I????����2޷?
[06:36] <remote> which seems to be sshd: /proc/1773/exe: symbolic link to `/usr/sbin/sshd'
[06:39] <remote> i'm also seeing the init script fail
[06:39] <remote> root@softlayer2:~# /etc/init.d/ssh restart
[06:39] <remote> sshd:  SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1  on i686-pc-linux-gnu
[06:39] <remote> Unknown option -t
[06:39] <kgoetz> remote: runing 8.04?
[06:40] <remote> i'm used to look at /etc/debian_version
[06:40] <remote> where is the ubuntu version/
[06:41] <kgoetz> lsb_release -sc will do
[06:41] <kgoetz> `lsb_release -sc`
[06:41] <remote> hardy
[06:41] <kgoetz> ok. what do you get for $(md5sum `which ssd`) ?
[06:42] <remote> a98008abb8c9e2cccbb4a091db93ed01
[06:42] <remote> i tried to google it but no match :-\
[06:42] <kgoetz> mines different.
[06:42] <remote> i have checked for updates, none were installed related to ssh, i think i have the current package
[06:43] <kgoetz> do you have -security enabled?
[06:43] <remote> i don't think so, how can i verify?
[06:44] <kgoetz> `grep security /etc/apt/sources.list`
[06:44] <remote> oh yes that i do
[06:44] <remote> SSH-2.0-SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1
[06:44] <remote> that's the openssh banner
[06:45] <remote> i'm thinking it should have a unbuntu string but i'm not sure, can you confirm?
[06:45] <kgoetz> hm. do have the openssh-blacklist package?
[06:45] <kgoetz> let me check
[06:46] <kgoetz> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8ubuntu1.2
[06:46] <remote> i have openssh-blacklist installed
[06:46] <remote> ok i'm puzzled as to how that happen but it's not my server, i will have to verify with the owner
[06:46] <kgoetz> how recently did you get access to it?
[06:47] <remote> today
[06:47] <remote> see even netstat reports sshd with weird characters
[06:47] <remote> ��ÿ��      0      0 :::22                   :::*                    LISTEN      4916/ii
[06:48] <kgoetz> i'm wondering if 'last' has any connections in it
[06:48] <remote> wtmp begins Wed Sep 10 14:44:04 2008
[06:48] <remote> last connection on sep 10
[06:50] <kgoetz> and for my sake, does /var/log/wtmp.1 exist, rotated on that day?
[06:50] <remote> -rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 11520 Aug 11 21:19 /var/log/wtmp.1
[06:51] <kgoetz> welll..... i'd start to worry about the host being compromised.
[06:51] <kgoetz> is it posable to offline it while you do checks?
[06:51] <remote> that's already happening ;-)
[06:51] <remote> not really
[06:53] <kgoetz> shame. not really surei can offer helpful advice at this point (well, other then things you can already think of yourself ;))
[06:53] <remote> well, thanks for the assistance
[06:55] <kgoetz> if you need stuff to compare against i'm around for an hour
[06:55] <kgoetz> so i can give you checksums of files or whatnot if you want to check core utilities. also i think packages.ubuntu.com lists md5sums
[06:57] <kgoetz> seems i'm wrong - it only lists files in packages, not their md5sums
[06:57] <kgoetz> oh yeah - both my systems are 64bit installs (which will ahve different checksums to 32bit)
[06:58] <remote> i'm thinking it might have been compromise on purpose by the owner
[06:58] <remote> not going to spend too much time on it
[06:59] <remote> i would if it was my server but i'm going to consult first ;-)
[07:00] <kgoetz> nod. good luck with it, probably see you again at some poitn :)
[07:00] <remote> :-)
[10:10] <kraut> moin
[11:56] <stapel> I am trying to connect two windows machines to a ubuntu-server with 2 crossover cables to two NICs on the ubuntu-server, only 1 NIC at a time works though...and not always the same one; after a reboot it might be the other one
[11:56] <Guest86075> look that you don't use the same subnet on both nics
[11:58] <stapel> why is that?
[12:00] <stapel> are you talking about netmask in interfaces?
[12:02] <stiv-s> no ... the subnet. eg if you have 192.168.0.1/24 on one interface and 192.168.0.2/24 this can work, but you have to see that the two windows machines don't have the same ip (eg. both 192.168.0.3). using different subnets forces you to do it right ;)
[12:02] <stiv-s> ﻿﻿hi guys! I have an webapplication sitting on ubuntu and i am using apt and my own mirror to distribute updates. i made a mistake a few months ago and made my own lighttpd packet just to add a script and change the config file. this is now done in a different manner and i would like to use the original package again, but i can't get aptitude to use the new package because of my versioning error (i appended -1selfbuild1 instead of ~1selfbuild1).
[12:03] <stiv-s> problem is: i use only apt and a metapackage to install the packages i need. if i force the version in the metapackage aptitudes "solution" is removing the metapacket... i just want to force it to "downgrade" lighttpd to the version i specify in the metapacket
[12:03] <stiv-s> any ideas? --- this needs to run automatically, so i can't choose the right solution or "aptitude install lighttpd=RIGHTVERSION"
[12:05] <stapel> I use unique static IPs for all interfaces...so then I guess the subnet does not matter
[12:05] <stiv-s> sure it does!
[12:05] <stapel> not sure I understand
[12:06] <ivoks> if you have 192.168.0.0/24 on both interfaces, you have a problem
[12:06] <stapel> the IPs for the two NICs on ubuntu is  192.168.0.2 and 192.168.0.3
[12:06] <ivoks> but if you have 192.168.0.0/24 and 192.168.1.0/24 then it should work
[12:07] <stapel> by 192.168.0.0/24 you mean netmask 255.255.255.0 right?
[12:07] <ivoks> stiv-s: you can do pining
[12:08] <ivoks> right
[12:08] <stapel> ok
[12:08] <stapel> u mean pinging?
[12:08] <ivoks> stiv-s: you can force lighttpd version; http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html
[12:09] <ivoks> stapel: no, i was talking to stiv-s
[12:09] <stapel> :)
[12:18] <stapel> aaaaaghhhh!
[12:25] <stiv-s> pining? never heard of that
[12:26] <stiv-s> googling now ;)
[12:27] <stapel> is there a dpkg reconfigure for networking?
[12:30] <stiv-s>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:30] <stiv-s> what do you need!?
[12:30] <hads> pinning
[12:52] <stapel> different subnets did the trick
[12:52] <stapel> bye
[13:27] <stiv-s> thanks for the pining tip ... i'm going to look into that :-) enjoy your weekend!
[13:44] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #269298 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "/etc/init.d/mysql run without privileges reports wrong status." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269298
[13:57] <Fenix|work> Good morning...
[13:57] <Fenix|work> ... anyone have any documentation on setting up LVM on RAID for 8.04.1?
[13:59] <_ruben> the server guide might explain it .. i find the installer just enough self-explanatory
[14:19] <Koon> kirkland: about "service --status-all"...
[14:20] <Koon> kirkland: so far it goes through (mostly) all of /etc/init.d/* and calls status
[14:20] <kirkland> Koon: right, there are a few notable exceptions
[14:20] <kirkland> Koon: see the shell code for those exceptions
[14:20] <Koon> kirkland: I think there are some more missing (in the version I've used)
[14:21] <Koon> all the one-time actions that are in /etc/init.d
[14:21]  * Koon has a deeper look
[14:23] <kirkland> Koon: hmm, example?
[14:24] <Koon> kirkland: hotkey-setup
[14:24] <Koon> module-init-tools
[14:24] <Koon> hwclock.sh...
[14:25] <Koon> those are run at boot-time but aren't expected to have a status, right ?
[14:28] <_server> Already installed ubuntu server (8.04.1) downloaded from website. Having default text-based login shell, after login, I started 'apt-get install' bunch of pkgs (xserver, fluxbox, finally gnome-desktop) to have finally xdm and gdm in the system. Initially, I need to type '/etc/init.d/gdm start' to enter into GUI. But the next reboot, it already automatically enters into gnome. Can I revert back to default to text-based login shell, instead of auto 
[14:30] <sommer> _server: do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove... then if you want a gui you can do startx from the console
[14:31] <_server> Thanks! Gonna try it this Monday in Lab =)
[15:00] <Fenix|work> I have an md raid device I can't delete...
[15:00] <Fenix|work> how can I kill the beast?
[15:31] <_ruben> Fenix|work: make sure it isnt mounted, then sudo mdadm /dev/mdX --stop .. iirc
[15:45] <Fenix|work> thanks _ruben
[16:00] <bogey-> How can I force apt-get to use a proxy?
[16:01] <_ruben> specify the proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[16:05] <bogey-> yeah i just got it
[16:06] <bogey-> To set apt-get to use a proxy you edit /etc/apt/apt.conf to include this information at http://pastebin.com/m3831e8b3
[16:22] <Quark_> Hi - I am having a failure-to-connect problem from an IRC client to ircd-hybrid installed on my Ubuntu server V7.10.  The ircd-hybrid support claims that is is a firewall issue with Ubuntu.  I am trying to move an IRCD service from an old Slackware machine to a new Ubuntu machine for a teacher so that she can support he students online. Any help or referrerals to documentation would be appreciated.
[16:23] <Quark_> Note that the failures come from both an Ubuntu IRC client and a Windows IRC client that both work with the Slackware system.
[16:24] <Quark_> Alternatively, I would install another IRCD supported on Ubuntu if you have a recommendation.
[16:46] <lukehasnoname> make sure the firewall isn't blocking IRC ports
[16:47] <lukehasnoname> or temporarily disable the firewall and check if that works
[17:13] <Quark_> lukehasnoname: How do I inspect and  the Ubuntu server's firewall?
[17:13] <Quark_> *inspect and edit
[17:20] <Quark_> Gibson's ShieldsUp! software says 6667 is closed.  How do I open it?
[17:22] <Quark_> lukehasnoname: How do I unbloack port 6667, and any other IRC ports?
[17:48] <LordDicranius> what's the most common protocol used when configuring a Linux VPN server?
[18:05] <slicslak_> i setup a server and forgot to specify install lamp applications.  where could i find the package list used for that?
[18:06] <Deeps> tasksel --help
[18:06] <infinity> slicslak_: apache2-mpm-worker apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-mysql mysql-server
[18:06] <ScottK> Or just run tasksel again and select it.
[18:06] <Deeps> or just tasksel on it's own for a curses based interface
[18:06] <infinity> slicslak_: That's off the top of my head, mind you.
[18:07] <infinity> s/worker/prefork/
[18:07] <infinity> Brain -> Finger interface is dead.
[18:07] <slicslak_> great, tahnks guys
[18:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #269488 in open-iscsi (main) "iSCSI installation doesn't report initiator ID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269488
[18:17] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #269492 in open-iscsi (main) "iSCSI support (modules and configuration) missing from initramfs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269492
[18:20] <slicslak_> where how do i set services to start on boot?
[18:33] <zul> kirkland: ive added status stuff to the snmp initscript
[18:33] <kirkland> zul: you da man!
[18:35] <Zelut> can anyone tell me if jeOS will work as a domU on a xen host?
[18:35] <zul> if you use intrepid..yes
[18:35] <Zelut> so 8.04.1 no, 8.10 yes?
[18:35] <zul> yep
[18:37] <zul> it should at least
[18:38] <Adri2000> anyone in the server team I could talk to about vsftpd?
[18:38] <zul> jus ask
[18:38] <Zelut> I don't see any builds for 8.10 jeOS on cdimage.ubuntu.com.  Are they hiding elsewhere?
[18:38] <Adri2000> zul: I did already 3 or 4 times :)
[18:39] <Adri2000> zul: I'd like to know if there is any specific reason for vsftpd not being 2.0.7 in intrepid
[18:39] <zul> because its synced from debian and its not maintained by the server team
[18:40] <Adri2000> I believe it mainly fixes bugs, and in particular, one that prevents it from working with filezilla and ftps
[18:40] <Adri2000> (for which I'd like to do an sru for hardy)
[18:40] <zul> request a backport then
[18:40] <Adri2000> no, it's not the point, I'm talking of bugs
[18:41] <zul> ok well no one is stopping you filing srus then
[18:41] <Adri2000> zul: would the server team support my FFe exception request if I was willing to do the necessary work for updating vsftpd to 2.0.7 now?
[18:41] <Adri2000> sure, but it needs to be in intrepid first
[18:42] <zul> Adri2000: it is in debian yet?
[18:43] <Adri2000> no
[18:43] <Adri2000> the changelog is at ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.0.7/Changelog
[18:44] <w8tah> im running samba on a file server - and my log is filling with cups trying to connect (there is no printing at all configured and shouldnt be) what do i do?
[18:45] <zul> Adri2000: I dont have a problem with it myself
[18:46] <zul> Adri2000: but with sru you would be backporting it
[18:46] <Adri2000> zul: is there someone else in the server team I should ask about that? or is it directly up to the release team?
[18:46] <Adri2000> in the sru I would only backport that bug fix:
[18:46] <zul> Adri2000: I would bring it up in the meeting, put it on the agenda
[18:46] <Adri2000> - Shutdown the SSL data connections properly. This prevents clients such as
[18:46] <Adri2000> recent FileZilla from complaining. Reported by various people.
[18:46] <Adri2000> when is the meeting?
[18:47] <zul> Adri2000: then why not get the patch that fixes it for intrepid and backport the patch to hardy?
[18:47] <zul> Adri2000: its on a tuesday check the wiki
[18:48] <Adri2000> because I think it's worth to also get the few other bug fixes there
[18:48] <zul> ok
[18:48] <Goosemoose> I keep getting a 'failed with exit code 127' for this presed command: d-i preseed/late_command string wget http://10.0.2.131/post_install_tasks && chmod +x ./post_install_tasks && ./post_install_tasks returns > /dev/null 2>&1
[18:48] <Goosemoose> anyone have any ideas? with the wget statement alone it works fine
[18:48] <Goosemoose> if i execute the command on a terminal it executes fine
[18:48] <Goosemoose> i just added the /dev/null part on the last run to test it
[18:49] <Adri2000> 16 Sep 15:00: Server Team < can't make it :/ at least I won't be able to be online before 16:00
[18:50] <zul> or send an email to the ubuntu-server ml
[18:52] <Adri2000> zul: ok
[18:58] <w8tah> how do i keep smbd from continually trying to connect to cups???
[19:04] <sommer> w8tah: I'd try commenting the [printers] entry in /etc/samba/smb.conf then restarting samba
[19:16] <slangasek> 'load printers = no', 'printing = bsd'; if that doesn't take care of it, then there's a bug (which, I think, there has been at least in the past)
[19:30] <Quark_> Can anyone here help me establish connectivity with port 6667 on my Unbuntu server ?
[19:31] <Gargoyle> to what application, Quark_ ?
[19:32] <Quark_> Gargoyle: ircd-hybrid is running in background, trying to connect with mIRC.  Even telnet .... 6667 gets a connection refused message
[19:32] <Gargoyle> you ran netstat to check the port is open?
[19:32] <sommer> foolano: is the ebox site down?
[19:33] <foolano> sommer: yeah :(, we are working on it :(
[19:33] <sommer> foolano: okay, just making sure it wasn't just me
[19:33] <foolano> sommer: i've just exchanged strong words with them
[19:34] <sommer> heh, that's cool... I was just taking a look at the new modules
[19:35] <sommer> foolano: is there an easy, or semi-easy, way to install just a local copy from svn?
[19:36] <Gargoyle> Quark_: If you run "netstat -antp" you should get a list of what programs have listening sockets on what ports
[19:36] <Quark_> Gargoyle: what parameters must I give netstat to deliver port 6667 status?
[19:36]  * Gargoyle s ESP is on full power tonight! :P
[19:36] <Quark_> awesome
[19:37] <foolano> sommer: all modules have a debian directory so the easiest way is builddng the package. We usually have nightly-buids url where you can pull the latest packages too
[19:37] <Quark_> Gargoyle: It says:  tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:6667  0.0.0.0:*  LISTEN 5466/ircd-hybrid   off (0.00/0/0)
[19:38] <sommer> foolano: very cool, I'll check into that
[19:38] <foolano> sommer: the latest release is available in launchpad though
[19:38] <Gargoyle> Quark_: That means that it's listening on the loopback interface only.
[19:38] <Quark_> Ah Ha!
[19:38] <sommer> foolano: is that the same as the code in svn?
[19:39] <foolano> sommer: yep https://launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable/+archive
[19:39] <Gargoyle> Quark_: Not your network for real. You should be able to change 127.0.0.1 (or localhost) in a config file somewhere. Normally you should be able to use 0.0.0.0 for any local IP address.
[19:39] <foolano> sommer: there are packages for both hardy and intrepid
[19:40] <sommer> foolano: awesome... I think I looked at the wrong lp page before, thanks
[19:40] <Gargoyle> can I upgrade an existing system to intrepid? Do I just need to replace hardy with intrepid in my source.list?
[19:41] <foolano> sommer: np :)
[19:41] <Quark_> Gargoyle: I'll search for ircd.conf and see how to mod it.  Thanks
[19:41] <Gargoyle> Quark_: np
[19:48] <Quark_> Gargoyle: Changed ircd.conf from **host = "127.0.0.1";** to **host = "my host ip";** and it works!! :^)
[19:49] <Quark_> Gargoyle:  I have been querying IRC channels all day, including ircd-hybrid channels and ubuntu channels, with no luck.
[19:49] <Quark_> Gargoyle: You fixed it in two minutes.
[19:49] <Gargoyle> :)
[19:50] <Gargoyle> Quark_: If you are debugging anything network related, always start with the local machine... check that you are actually doing what you think you are (eg, listening on the correct port)
[19:51] <Gargoyle> Quark_: then move onto access from another node withing the network
[19:51] <Gargoyle> Quark_: and finally, try from an outside source.
[19:52] <Gargoyle> Follow those steps, and you'll probably save yourself some time... But like anything, it just takes a while before you have the experience.
[19:53] <Gargoyle> There are probably a lot of people setting up systems that have never used netstat. It's just another step on the learning curve!
[19:53] <Gargoyle> Quark_:  What IRC network are you joining to? or are you just playing?
[19:53] <Quark_> Gargoyle: I'm just a newbie - only been doing this for 30 years.
[19:53] <Gargoyle> ha ha!
[19:54] <Quark_> Ooops - 40 years. I hate it when that happens :(
[19:54] <Gargoyle> :P
[19:55] <Quark_> At some point I skipped reading the documentation.  But not a probolem ,since at some point, the OpenSouce industry stopped providing it.
[19:55] <Quark_> I could find not doc on the hybrid install beyon "use apt-get install".
[19:56] <Quark_> I stopped using M$'s OS' because they kept changing the file names and their terminolgy, and charging developers $2,000 to tell them the new secrets
[19:57] <Quark_> I think it is time to get into a new field, something easy.
[19:57] <Gargoyle> I think that is where a lot of open source project are at their weakest. It took me the best part of a month to fully install and test a mysql + drbd setup.
[19:58] <Gargoyle> programmers lover to write new features and improve code all the time - but they hate writing docs!
[19:58] <Quark_> I found it easier and quicker to write my own database software than to try to decode the installation and usage documentation for any DB stuff.
[19:59] <Gargoyle> The last time I played with IRC was when I was playing Tribes 2 a lot - that must be 6 or so years ago!
[19:59] <Quark_> Of course, porting it across new version of the Linux OS's is aproblem, since the API keepos changing
[19:59] <Gargoyle> I installed dancer to test my own irc bot on.
[20:00] <Gargoyle> hmmm, this is a fast paced business from whatever angle you look at.
[20:01] <Quark_> Rule Number One: Do not ever change the API or GUI.
[20:01] <Quark_> ensure thay are backward comaptible.
[20:01] <Quark_> Rules number 2 & 3, see rule number 1
[20:02] <Gargoyle> It still suprises me at how  little take up there has been for Java... What was the tagline, write once, run anywhere!
[20:02] <Gargoyle> Quark_: There has to be evolutions, but there should be some serious overlap in API versions.
[20:03] <Quark_> Gargoyle: M$ purposely sabotaged Java
[20:04] <Quark_> Gargoyle: Also trying to sabotage OpenGL
[20:04] <Quark_> They do so by not providing a working version in their latest OS's
[20:05] <Gargoyle> nahh, sun should have open sourced it a long time ago. Also, there were a  few important missing bits... Like using a serial port required a library, but you would be hard pressed to find a library that worked on more than one platform!
[20:06] <Gargoyle> So you very quickly tied yourself to a platform, and then forgot about why you chose Java!
[20:06] <Quark_> Gargoyle: The solutions is simple. Provide backward compatible API & GUI.
[20:08]  * Gargoyle is installing intrepid
[20:09] <Gargoyle> Anyway, it's only a matter of time before everyone realises the truth!
[20:09] <Quark_> what is interpid?
[20:10] <Gargoyle> The next Ubuntu release.
[20:12] <Gargoyle> Poo... install failed!
[20:14] <Quark_> ib, they're alphabetical
[20:14] <Quark_> *ic
[20:15] <Gargoyle> yeah... and have an animal name... hardy heron, intrepid ibex
[20:15]  * Gargoyle reminds himself to look up what a fookin ibex is!
[20:15] <Quark_> Thanks for you help. I have to now reconfigure the all the IRC pages to point to my Ubuntu server (was old Slakware server)
[20:15] <Gargoyle> Quark_: Have fun! :-)
[20:16] <Gargoyle> exit
[20:16] <Gargoyle> oops!
[21:41] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: Now that clamav and spamassassin are promoted, I think we can make a real case that we have a supported feature complete mail server stack.  Do you think that's worth a blog post?
[21:41] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: How good are you with amavisd-new configs?
[21:45] <ivoks> well, i use it :)
[21:46] <ph8> How does one do autoresponders? something in exim?
[21:46] <ph8> (is exim the default now?)
[21:46] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: I think that the defaults we get from Debian aren't very friendly.
[21:46] <ph8> i still use postfix :o
[21:46] <ivoks> hardy's sparc port has some issues with ldaps :/
[21:46] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: Postfix is our preferred MTA.
[21:46] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: right, they aren't ok
[21:46] <ph8> ok, so how does one do autoresponders with postfix, would that feature in a complete mail server stack?
[21:47] <ivoks> iirc, zip archives are banned by default :)
[21:47] <ph8> I have my own script to manage auto responders, majorly tacky though
[21:47] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: IMO, no.  Autoresponders are really hard to get right.
[21:47] <ScottK-laptop> I think it's an area you really have to know what you are doing.
[21:47] <ph8> Is that why there's no big open source (a la spamassassin) thing to do it?
[21:47] <ph8> I wonder why though? Things like ML headers?
[21:47] <ph8> perhaps unicode etc
[21:47]  * ivoks really loves postfix, dovecot, mysql and openldap :)
[21:48] <ph8> by that i mean special characters (i've got to lay off the enter key!)
[21:48] <ScottK-laptop> The biggest problem is backscatter.  How do you know you're really sending mail back to someone that asked for it?
[21:48] <ph8> i'm with you ivoks, i was a bit courier fan until recently - not a big ldap user though unfortunately - do you use it in a business context?
[21:48] <ph8> ScottK-laptop:  Ah, like spam response?
[21:48] <ivoks> only in business
[21:48] <ph8> Ideally it would go through a nicely trained spamassassin that would rate it and spam would not be responded to
[21:48] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: I'd like to (soon) fixup our config to be more friendly.
[21:48] <ph8> pain in the backside though you're right
[21:49] <ph8> plus they're bloody aggravating :p
[21:49] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i'll join, but not before the end of the next week (i have two exams next week)
[21:49] <ScottK-laptop> Not just that, but addresses are forged all the time.
[21:49] <ivoks> i'm really out of anything related to ubuntu right now :(
[21:49] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: I was working on this and had an unfortunate incident with my notes.  Any chance you could mail me your configs and I can start on it with that.
[21:49] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i'll do that
[21:49] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks:
[21:50] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Thanks
[21:50] <ph8> i'm quite eager to get involved but fairly new to lower level stuff - let me know if anything ever comes up you think i could handle
[21:50] <ph8> we never really get taught c(++) these days
[21:50] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: i'll do that right now...
[21:50] <ph8> it's just a brief submodule at undergrad
[21:50] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[21:50] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: Most of what we do it packaging, so no C/C++ required.
[21:51] <ph8> ah i've toyed with that a bit before
[21:51] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: If you know a bit of shell and maybe some Python, you know enough to contribute.
[21:51] <ph8> packing the latest versions etc?
[21:51] <ph8> ah well i'm fine then :p
[21:51] <ScottK-laptop> Generally.
[21:51] <ph8> so should one sync intrepid then go out and actively package new versions of things?
[21:51] <ph8> or is there a sort of 'to be packaged' list?
[21:51] <ScottK-laptop> Now we are post Feature Freeze for Intrepid, so the focus is on bug fixing stuff.
[21:51] <ph8> does intrepid run? I gave it a go at alpha 2
[21:52] <ScottK-laptop> There are bugs in Launchpad tagges 'needs-packaging', but that's really for Intrepid +1 now.
[21:52] <lukehasnoname> ph8: I'm using it as my file server right now
[21:52] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: Generally, but you have to be ready for sudden breakage.
[21:52] <lukehasnoname> two days since install hasn't broken it
[21:52] <ph8> ScottK-laptop:  Jackalope? :)
[21:52] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: my changes are inside 20-debian_defaults
[21:53] <ph8> lukehasnoname:  Cool, i'll install it on a VM in a bit
[21:53] <ivoks> and 15-content_filter_mode
[21:53] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Thanks.
[21:53] <ph8> although my development VM is running my phones atm :o
[21:53] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: I greylist, so it'll be a bit before i get it.
[21:53] <ScottK-laptop> I'll have a look.
[21:53] <ivoks> i didn't send it yet :)
[21:53] <ivoks> i greylist too :)
[21:54] <ScottK-laptop> K.
[21:56] <ph8> I don't suppose anyone's ever converted a debian install to ubuntu-server?
[21:56] <ph8> I'm buying a dirt cheap dedi from leaseweb but they'll only install deb (on the cheap range)
[21:56] <ph8> at least ubuntu-server's a quality product :p
[21:57] <mathiaz> ScottK-laptop: that would be a great idea - kirkland and Koon already wrote a couple of blog post for the ubuntuserver blog. If you write something up I'll be happy to publish it.
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> ph8: It probably wouldn't work unless you did sarge --> dapper --> hardy --> intrepid.
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> mathiaz: OK.  Will do.
[21:57] <ph8> phew
[21:57] <ph8> and a fingers-crossed reboot? :p
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.
[21:57] <ph8> i'd probably leave it at hardy
[21:57] <ph8> three stages mind
[21:57] <ph8> sarge -> dapper by just changing the sources?
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> Since Ubuntu switched from sysvinit to upstart in Edgy your odds of doing that conversion in a later release are slim and none.
[21:58] <ph8> maybe i'll just use sarge - is it all going to be outdated and naff?
[21:58] <ph8> i see
[21:58] <ScottK-laptop> Sarge is unsupported.
[21:58] <ScottK-laptop> Etch is the current stable.
[21:58] <ph8> oh sorry, there's my debian knowledge exposed :p
[21:58] <ph8> i was always told their packages are inferior to ubuntus mind
[21:58] <ScottK-laptop> But Etch is too new to have any hope of Etch -> Dapper working.
[21:59] <ScottK-laptop> It depends on what you need.
[21:59] <ph8> just a playground box tbh, the stuff I do is starting to overload the company servers i was piggybacking off
[21:59] <ScottK-laptop> Debian Stable will virtually always have older packages than the current Ubuntu server release.
[21:59] <ScottK-laptop> The thing about Debian Stable is it's REALLY stable.
[21:59] <ScottK-laptop> If you need more current stuff, Ubuntu is handy.
[22:02] <ScottK-laptop> Historically, that's been the difference, but progress is now being made on making things easier to do in Ubuntu Server.
[22:03] <ivoks> urgh... this was such a pain...
[22:03] <ivoks> i have half of domain in mysql and half in ldap
[22:03] <ivoks> and something is wrong with ssl on sparc version of 8.04
[22:28] <w8tah> sommer: sorry this is delayed -- i just got back -- all printing stuff in smb.conf is already commented out
[22:33] <w8tah> for some reason - -on my samba file server, the syslog keeps getting messages about rejected attempts by smbd to connect to cups (which is not in use and may not be installed -- unless it got pulled in as a dep) how do i get it to quit filling up my logs
[22:34] <nandersson> will Intrepid ship with OpenOffice.org 3?
[22:34] <hads> Servers don't usually have an office suite.
[22:35] <ScottK-laptop> nandersson: #ubuntu+1
[22:36] <nandersson> ScottK, in Ubuntu 9.04 then? a pity
[22:36] <ScottK-laptop> nandersson: You're misunderstanding.  I'm suggesting that's a channel to ask such questions.
[22:36] <nandersson> aha
[22:36] <nandersson> ok
[22:37]  * nandersson goes there
[22:43] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Got your mail.  Thanks.
[22:44] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Would you be up for testing an apparmor enabled clamav with your amavisd-new system?
[22:50] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: if it's for hardy, yes
[22:51] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: That should work.  Do you want a debdiff to build it yourself?
[22:52] <ivoks> ScottK-laptop: sure
[22:52] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: Also, do you want to stay with the clamav version in Hardy or do you want a newer one?
[22:52] <ivoks> :)
[22:53] <ivoks> tempting :)
[22:53] <ScottK-laptop> 0.94 should work fine with amavisd-new
[22:53] <ivoks> why not
[22:53] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: OK.  I'll send you a debdiff from the current Intrepid 0.94 package to build on Hardy.
[22:54] <ivoks> ok
[22:56] <ivoks> well
[22:56] <ivoks> good night!
[23:04] <ScottK-laptop> ivoks: modulo greylisting, you have mail.
[23:04] <ScottK-laptop> Have a good night.
[23:04] <ivoks> thnx
[23:05] <lukehasnoname> Who would I poke about adding a few lines to the server guide?
[23:06] <ScottK-laptop> lukehasnoname: sommer.
[23:11] <lukehasnoname> sommer: I was talking to soren a few days ago about what we should do about the "Basic Ubuntu Server" tasksel option. I suggested several things: Rename it to something more accurate, like "Documentation and accessories" or "Helpful tools". Second, for the HTML docs on the server to be more visible to users, perhaps the server default MOTD should mention where the docs are buried. Finally, details of what the 
[23:13] <lukehasnoname> Something along the lines, perhaps, of
[23:13] <lukehasnoname> Helpful tools: Installs this server guide, as well as the 'w3m', 'screen', and 'patch' packages.
[23:14] <lukehasnoname> in the tasksel area of the server guide.
[23:31] <bytor4232> With the desktops, there is a "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop".  Is there an equivelant command for installing ubuntu server?
[23:33] <ScottK-laptop> bytor4232: You can run tasksel to pick various varieties of ubuntu-server, but you'll only get the server kernel if you install as a server or manually change it.
[23:39] <bytor4232> Okay, I was tasksel has various stuff on it.  Thats acceptable.
[23:40] <bytor4232> Just wanted to make sure there wasn't an "official" way, like with ubuntu-desktop, etc.
[23:41] <bytor4232> Holy cow
[23:41] <bytor4232> ubuntu's mini.iso cli option install is only 701 megs.
[23:41] <ScottK> When you run it manually you get every tasksel option in Ubuntu.