[13:22] <IceflamePhoenix> Afternoon. This probably isn't vitally important, but I've noticed a typo on the main website.
[13:25] <emunkki> IceflamePhoenix, spit it out
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/804features/productivity-tools/
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> Instant messaging
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> Pidgin IM is the extremely popular open source messaing tool.
[13:26] <IceflamePhoenix> *messaing*
[13:27] <IceflamePhoenix> Irony ftw.
[13:38] <emunkki> IceflamePhoenix, ok. i hope somebody will address this issue. thanks.
[13:38] <IceflamePhoenix> No problem, enjoy =)
[14:51] <newz2000> got it
[16:24] <thorwil> newz2000: hi. yesterday you mentioned someone being responsible for branding. not kenneth and not gerry carr?
[16:24] <newz2000> correct, her name is Kat Kinnie
[16:24] <thorwil> new?
[16:25] <newz2000> started a year ago
[16:25] <newz2000> she mostly works in the world of print, the shop.canonical.com is under her wing
[16:25] <newz2000> ^but the shop...
[16:26] <thorwil> ah, guess that explains why i hear of there even being such a position first time :)
[16:28] <thorwil> newz2000: is there a plan for a countdown in the ubuntu.com banner?
[16:28] <newz2000> yeah, I'm not 100% certain but I think it will be your column 3
[16:29] <thorwil> hopefully only for the last few days :)
[16:29] <newz2000> why's that?
[16:30] <thorwil> oops, that was my lazy twin self ;)
[16:32] <thorwil> well, the aspect is similar enough that it shouldn't be a problem
[16:34] <newz2000> remember people won't look at the images side by side
[16:34] <newz2000> they only get to see one per day
[16:38] <thorwil> newz2000: sure. if you flip through my images, you will see how the numbers seem to move. they are optimized for each single image, not for the series
[16:40] <thorwil> newz2000: anyway, i greatly appreciate your responsiveness and will wait for specifics for the banner :)
[16:42] <newz2000> I'm eager to hear back from them too... and there's no need to thank me, I'm thanking you!
[16:44] <thorwil> well, yw :)
[16:52] <thorwil> dang, how do i get to old revisions of wiki pages?
[16:52] <newz2000> click the info link
[16:53] <thorwil> oh!
[17:01]  * thorwil puts hands back on the wiki
[17:02] <thorwil> poor dholbach, is he subscribed to all pages, or just all i ever edited by coincidence? :)
[17:02] <newz2000> I think he subscribed to them all
[18:39] <newz2000> hi Volans, had any luck with html2po yet?
[18:40] <Volans>  Hi newz2000, yes, I have done some work and tests, with some indentation changes in the html it works
[18:40] <newz2000> cool
[18:41] <Volans> I would do some more imporvements before release it
[18:41] <Volans> maybe tomorrow
[18:41] <newz2000> I have the details from Gerry and we've decided on the changes to the layout
[18:41] <newz2000> there's going to be far less text for one thing
[18:42] <Volans> great! and you have a mockup or something like that?
[18:42] <newz2000> we're going to go with Lizzeh's mockup on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/IntrepidStartPage
[18:42] <Volans> only for the online version or also the offline will be changed?
[18:42] <newz2000> Good question
[18:43] <newz2000> lets assume this is for the online version for now
[18:45] <Volans> ok, because the only problem is that for a more safely and automatic use of html2po the starting html and po files should be manually checked/adapted
[18:47] <newz2000> so if we don't have an html file yet, should we mockup something to get the strings out of it using html2po or should we just make a po file using a diff tool?
[18:50] <Volans> the po file can be generated also manually or with other tools if we already have all the texts, irrespective of the html structure, but before send the po file to the doc teams I think is always better to check it with the final html
[18:50] <newz2000> ok
[18:51] <Volans> if you want I can also put on LP the po file and some code to generate the html files for the actual version of the start page
[18:51] <newz2000> so just discussed it with gerry
[18:51] <newz2000> Volans: hold tight
[18:51] <newz2000> but be ready
[18:51] <newz2000> I'm going to send the email to the list about what we need to do
[18:52] <Volans> ok :)
[18:52] <newz2000> and I'll say that you're leading the technical efforts for the translation infrastructure (if that's ok with you)
[18:52] <Volans> don't mention it...
[18:52] <newz2000> ok
[19:05] <Volans> newz2000: I have read the email, why "no local search or ubuntu search" ? Perhaps is due to problem/complicated stuff with Google and Mozilla?
[19:23] <newz2000> Volans: goal is for fewer options, simpler interface
[19:24] <Volans> ok, I will reply to the email in a while
[22:34] <Volans> newz2000: thank you for the reply in list, I agree with most of the things you say
[22:36] <newz2000> I'm eager to see this done...
[22:36] <newz2000> next we'll I'll move the feature tour forward and it looks to me like we'll complete our 3 major tasks for intrepid release
[22:48] <mdke> I'm still a bit concerned about introducing html2po infrastructure into ubuntu-docs for intrepid
[22:49] <mdke> I'm working to cleanup the packaging to make it less delicate, so maybe it will be possible...
[22:49] <Volans> mdke: as you want, if you prefer for Jaunty, no problem
[22:49] <newz2000> mdke: there is a build script we use currently, the end result will be just some plain html files
[22:49] <Volans> but if the offline page will change
[22:50] <Volans> until we have the definitive page, we can't create the po file to be uploaded to launchpad
[22:50] <mdke> newz2000: the thing is, ubuntu-docs currently uses a very precise list of localisations, once we introduce Launchpad into the mix, we're going to be screwed
[22:50] <mdke> newz2000: what I'm trying to sort out is how to remove the "very precise list" bit from ubuntu-docs
[22:51] <Volans> mdke: there is a specific reason for that "very precise list"?
[22:51] <newz2000> mdke: does that mean you're trying not to get any new translations at the moment?
[22:52] <mdke> Volans: yes, historical
[22:52] <mdke> newz2000: no, new translations are welcome
[22:53] <newz2000> mdke: is your concern that some translations that are currently included might get left out?
[22:53] <mdke> newz2000: no, my concern is that if we implement automatic translations for ubuntu-docs something will break
[22:53] <mdke> anyway, as I say, I'm hoping to cleanup the situation - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026434.html
[22:54] <Volans> mdke: let me explain a little the work I have done
[22:54] <newz2000> oh, I see. Well, there's not going to be anything automatic yet
[22:54] <mdke> Volans: sure
[22:54] <Volans> I have found the way to make a po file with the strings for the start page
[22:54] <Volans> so we can put that file on LP and let the doc teams translate it
[22:55] <Volans> after that a script will automatically generate the translated html files for the start page
[22:55] <Volans> NOT the structure made by the ubuntu-doc package
[22:55] <Volans> I'm able to reproduce the "source" html files that actually are in the source package ubuntu-doc
[22:55] <mdke> I'm pretty familiar with po file toolchains, we use them for every document in ubuntu-docs EXCEPT the startpage
[22:56] <Volans> the package itself will generate all the delicate stuff, symbolic link etc of the start page in the system
[22:56] <mdke> I know how it all works, and I understand and approve of what you're doing - I'm just saying that until we fix ubuntu-docs, it's difficult to use it
[22:57] <mdke> Volans: send me all the code and I'll try and have a look at it this weekend when I look at trying to fix the problems I've got
[22:57] <Volans> ok, sure, I can sent to you it tomorrow morning
[22:58] <mdke> Volans: fine, thanks
[23:00] <mdke> gtg now, catch you later
[23:17] <Volans> newz2000: the start page is seen also after a release upgrade?
[23:18] <newz2000> Volans: I'm not 100% confident but I believe so
[23:18] <newz2000> I think its shown after every firefox update
[23:19] <newz2000> I've seen it a few times in the last few months
[23:19] <Volans> maybe I can ask asac for that, just to be sure
[23:19] <Volans> because I was wondering that a new Ubuntu user (fresh installation) have really different needs in respect to a user that have done an upgrade
[23:20] <newz2000> I think we're targeting the new user with this
[23:20] <newz2000> also there's another user...
[23:21] <newz2000> OEM's (like dell) may use this same start page but may not offer quite the same desktop experience
[23:22] <Volans> right, so lot of different users, and we can't make a page for each of those