[01:31] <Lex79> Hi JontheEchidna
[01:34] <Lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload
[01:34] <Lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/268419
[02:15] <NCommander> morning (or evening)
[02:16] <Lex79> night
[02:16] <Lex79> IoI
[02:20] <NCommander> hey Riddell & ScottK
[02:36] <ScottK> Heya NCommander.
[03:05] <Ted_Fischer> Hi! I have a question about kdevelop setup
[03:28] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: Hi, we use #kubuntu for support / help questions...
[03:29] <Ted_Fischer> ryanakca, I thought this would be the "best" place to ask.
[03:31] <ScottK-laptop> It can be a bit confusing, but this is for development of Kubuntu, not development on Kubuntu.
[03:32] <Ted_Fischer> ok sorry i will move to #kubuntu
[03:34]  * jtechidna wonders if anyone in here even uses kdevelop
[03:36] <ScottK-laptop> At one of my customer sites, last time I was there, a sysadmin I know was on the way to install it on someone's machine.
[03:37] <ScottK-laptop> So I know at least one person thought they wanted to use it.
[03:39] <ryanakca> jtechidna: I've used it once or twice... I prefer vim though, for the simple reason that I can stick it in a screen and access its familiar environment from anywhere I need to.
[03:40]  * jtechidna just uses Kate
[03:55] <NCommander> jtechidna: I do on larger C/C++ projects
[03:55] <NCommander> But thats about it
[03:55] <DreadKnight> heya
[03:55] <DreadKnight> upgraded to 8.10 and x server doesn't starts by any means
[03:55] <jtechidna> DreadKnight: which drivers do you use?
[03:56] <DreadKnight> i'm not very sure, can't manage to do anything
[03:56] <DreadKnight> i've upgraded a clean install, no proprietary drivers installed even
[03:56] <DreadKnight> Intel GMA 950 graphic card btw
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Are you still around?
[03:56] <DreadKnight> so the screen flickers a few times with some weird colors, then remains black
[03:57] <jtechidna> Ok, then it's not the problem I was thinking
[03:57] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: yep
[03:57] <DreadKnight> can't even go to terminal....
[03:57] <jtechidna> o.o
[03:57] <DreadKnight> i googled around a few times.. but nothing..
[03:57] <DreadKnight> bullet-prof x... lol
[03:57]  * jtechidna hopes your home directory was on a separate partition
[03:57] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Since I see you're listed as original maintainer, I'm curious if you have an opinion on Bug 250285
[03:58] <DreadKnight> i used wubi for instalation
[03:58] <DreadKnight> toshiba m400 portege;
[03:58] <DreadKnight> tablet pc
[03:58] <jtechidna> you are so boned
[03:58] <jtechidna> well, all your files in /home are unless you can get it fixed
[03:59] <DreadKnight> i have nothing in my home anyway
[03:59] <jtechidna> good
[03:59] <DreadKnight> this is for testing purposes...
[03:59] <jtechidna> so at Grub press e over the boot option
[03:59] <DreadKnight> want to get the stylus working... and perhaps hardware buttons
[03:59] <DreadKnight> k
[03:59] <jtechidna> go down to the second entry and press e again
[04:00] <DreadKnight> the recovery one..
[04:00] <jtechidna> then backspace "splash"
[04:00] <jtechidna> press enter, press b
[04:00] <jtechidna> it should now boot without the splash screen so you can see what fails.. hopefully
[04:00] <jtechidna> recovery might be good too
[04:00] <jtechidna> you could at least see Xorg.0.log
[04:02] <DreadKnight> ok, trying right now
[04:02] <DreadKnight> 81. something intel_something not detected (xD )
[04:02] <DreadKnight> but it booted
[04:02] <DreadKnight> i can see now
[04:03] <DreadKnight> bah... stylus not working by default in intrepid as well
[04:03]  * jtechidna has to go
[04:03] <jtechidna> you might try #ubuntu+1 for more/better support
[04:03] <DreadKnight> um ok :\
[04:03] <DreadKnight> thanks
[04:03]  * jtechidna catches some zzzzz's
[04:03] <DreadKnight> i wonder if i need to do this edit every time now..
[04:04] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: seems to be fixed, I see it in python-kde4-dev
[04:05] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: In Intrepid?
[04:05] <ScottK-laptop> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pykdeuic&mode=filename&suite=intrepid&arch=any says otherwise.
[04:05]  * ScottK-laptop fires up ark.
[04:05] <stdin> hmm,  no actually
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> It's in python-kde4
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> Not -dev.
[04:06] <stdin> yeah, ubottu lied to me
[04:06] <DreadKnight> bah.. i logged into intrepid (kubuntu) and all i see is my mouse cursor and some square grid tiles as background
[04:07] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: In python-kde3 the equivalent file is in the -dev package.
[04:07] <ScottK-laptop> DreadKnight: If you reboot, pick the recovery option, select the xfix choice, and then boot normally, is it better?
[04:08] <stdin> it really should be in -dev
[04:09] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Let me see if I can move it.  I've got some other stuff I'm doing in that package.
[04:11] <stdin> ScottK: I think just moving debian/python-kde4.links to debian/python-kde4-dev.links should do it
[04:11] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Thanks.  I'll try that.
[04:11] <stdin> *ScottK-laptop
[04:13] <DreadKnight> it seems i've upgraded to intrepid using konsole
[04:14] <DreadKnight> and it always get's the stuff wrong and i need to use adept
[04:14] <DreadKnight> using it right now from "kde3" session
[04:14] <DreadKnight> which i'm guessing it will dissapear after i log out
[04:15] <DreadKnight> gets*
[06:50] <NCommander> MY picture isn't showing up on planet
[11:16] <smarter> Riddell: hi, could you please review&upload https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu -0ubuntu3?
[11:17] <smarter> use bzr diff -r12:13 to get a nice debdiff ;)
[11:17] <smarter> hmm, I mean bzr diff -r20:21
[11:17] <smarter> doh, wrong synthax, it's bzr diff -r20..21
[12:00] <goatsocks> smarter: ooh bespin... anything usable yet?
[12:01] <smarter> goatsocks: the widget style is pretty usable, and there's a kdm theme and a kwin windeco on the svn, unfortunately it's a bit late to package them :/
[12:04]  * goatsocks gives it a spin
[12:05] <smarter> the only thing I dislike about it is the look of progressbar
[12:08] <goatsocks> i don't much care for the oxygen progressbars either
[12:09] <smarter> and bespin is highly configurable
[12:12] <smarter> but the configure button is b0rken in -0ubuntu2, I backported an upstream fix for the ubuntu3
[12:15] <smarter> you can fix it manually by running sudo sed -i 's/kstyle-bespin-config/kstyle_bespin_config/' /usr/share/kde4/apps/kstyle/themes/bespin.themerc
[12:16] <goatsocks> looks like lp's svn import is broken there
[12:16] <goatsocks> though it's on sourceforge, probably their fault ;)
[12:22] <goatsocks> Patch kubuntu_01_fix_configure_button_systemsettings.diff can be reverse-applied
[12:22] <goatsocks> did they already apply the fix upstream?
[12:23] <goatsocks> ah that's the one you backported
[12:23] <goatsocks> not sure why debuild is trying to apply it though
[12:29] <goatsocks> built fine once i removed debian/patches/
[12:36] <goatsocks> looks great already... i think he should put some activation highlighting on the scrollbar though
[12:36] <goatsocks> hm, no colorscheme?
[12:39] <smarter> you can configure the colors using /usr/bin/bespin or the "configure" button in systemsettings->appearance
[12:39] <goatsocks> ah i hadn't gone through all those yet
[12:40] <goatsocks> nice custom config dialog
[13:31] <ryanakca> apachelogger: meeting in half an hour?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i think you've missed it by 12+ hours?
[13:36] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ... for marketing?
[13:36]  * ryanakca was told 13UTC today
[13:37] <Hobbsee> oh, marketing.
[13:51] <apachelogger> ryanakca: yus
[13:57] <ryanakca> apachelogger: where? Here I suppose?
[13:57] <apachelogger> yeah, nothing important going on anyway ;-)
[13:58]  * apachelogger should have prepared an agenda before he went to bed
[14:00] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Well, there's an item in the KubuntuIntrepidWebsite spec that could be a first task... Get a slogan or a short sentence along the lines of 'Kubuntu is an operating system that makes your life easy' to replace the big paragraph (What is Kubunut) that we have at the moment...
[14:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I think we need to define a general mission first
[14:00] <apachelogger> knome: ping
[14:00] <apachelogger> nixternal: ping
[14:01] <apachelogger> well, the others aren't around -.-
[14:01] <ryanakca> -.-
[14:01] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I think we should ask the community on this
[14:02] <ryanakca> apachelogger: on the mission of the team or the slogan?
[14:02] <apachelogger> slogan
[14:02]  * ryanakca nods
[14:02] <claydoh> +1 on a general misson
[14:02] <apachelogger> get some present for the winner
[14:03] <ryanakca> I wonder if jenda would donate a few stickers... I'll ask later :)
[14:03] <apachelogger> I wonder if stickers are cool enough
[14:03] <apachelogger> I mean they are cool... but... ;-)
[14:03]  * ryanakca nods
[14:03]  * claydoh wants bigger stickers
[14:04] <apachelogger> other ideas than stickers?
[14:04] <ryanakca> While waiting for the others to show up, I'll brb, going to get a glass of OJ
[14:04] <claydoh> kubuntu logo with clear background
[14:05] <ryanakca> apachelogger: well... there's t-shirts, but that does seem a bit much for a sentence that Just Works... do we have any posters left? (Did Kubuntu ever get posters? I know Ubuntu did...)
[14:05]  * apachelogger did never see any
[14:05] <apachelogger> only that roll-up thing like KDE
[14:06] <ryanakca> Also, should we invite a few people from Ubuntu Marketing over while were waiting for some input / so we don't repeat things they've tried and failed / etc?
[14:06]  * apachelogger doesn't like reusage of ideas in marketing :P
[14:08] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we probably should print t-shirts with the slogan
[14:08] <apachelogger> give one or two to the winner
[14:08] <apachelogger> that is a) promotion for us and b) something for her/him to e proud of
[14:09] <apachelogger> like the winner is in a bar with friends is all like "Ey, check that out, I made that slogan" and the others are like "What is that about"....
[14:09] <ryanakca> apachelogger: sounds good...
[14:10] <apachelogger> ryanakca: where to get the shirt from though ;-)
[14:10] <apachelogger> canonical could probably get a whole bunch of them and sell them in the ubuntu store
[14:10] <ryanakca> I know of a place in Quebec that makes any amount of t-shirts for 11$/shirt... they'd probably cut us a deal if we ordered more... or we could try to get Canonical
[14:11] <apachelogger> trying both is probably the best
[14:11] <goatsocks> $11 cdn? ouch
[14:11] <apachelogger> IIRC there isn't any kubuntu stuff besides the CD/DVD in the online shop anyway
[14:12] <ryanakca> Mind you... we should probably get in touch with whoever from Canonical and kindly explain that the slogan ``linux for human beings'' isn't likely to bring in new users who know nothing about Linux... and then go on that we'd like to hold a contest to find a new one
[14:12] <ryanakca> goatsocks: sell them at 15$/piece ... 4$ profit :)
[14:12]  * apachelogger thinks ryanakca is going to settle the t-shirt source ;-)
[14:12] <ryanakca> hehe
[14:12] <goatsocks> ryanakca: still, they're making $9 profit off of you ;)
[14:13] <ryanakca> true
[14:13] <apachelogger> goatsocks: that is, if they produce the things themselfs wichis doubtable :P
[14:13] <goatsocks> apachelogger: good point... poor chinese schoolgirls
[14:14] <apachelogger> ehm
[14:14] <apachelogger> school?
[14:14] <goatsocks> it's china... factory == school
[14:14] <goatsocks> ;)
[14:14] <apachelogger> it is? Oo
[14:14] <apachelogger> ah
[14:14] <apachelogger> screw that
[14:14] <apachelogger> where to announce the competition?
[14:14] <apachelogger> blogs, lists, website?
[14:15] <goatsocks> slashdot?
[14:15] <ryanakca> I'd announce it on the Planet... with a link to the forums or something.
[14:15] <apachelogger> we could digg it
[14:15] <goatsocks> sure, you'll have to wade through a bunch of crap submissions, but more exposure is good
[14:15] <apachelogger> but I think t-shirts are also not cool enough for digg :P
[14:15] <apachelogger> * forums
[14:15] <ryanakca> *nod*... that's once we get the green light that we could actually change the slogan
[14:16] <apachelogger> well
[14:16] <apachelogger> we are community project, aren't we?
[14:16] <goatsocks> the blue headed stepchild... hey, how about blue hats? ;)
[14:17] <apachelogger> kubuntu - the blue hats
[14:17] <apachelogger> nah
[14:17] <goatsocks> no i mean sell them
[14:17] <apachelogger> goatsocks: where?
[14:17] <goatsocks> dunno, i thought canonical/ubuntu had a merch shop?
[14:17] <apachelogger> ryanakca: do you want to aggregate the suggestions in the forums?
[14:18] <apachelogger> goatsocks: I doub they would sell blue hats there :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> if we had a community shop I would be all for blue hats though
[14:18] <ryanakca> ouch http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/3552/
[14:18] <goatsocks> apachelogger: why not? it'd have the kubuntu logo on it, but it's still ubuntu
[14:18] <apachelogger> goatsocks: it's very redhatish
[14:19] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we don't want an ubuntu slogan
[14:19] <apachelogger> we want a kubuntu one
[14:19] <apachelogger> 'Kubuntu - collaboration to the core' doesn't exactly cut the cheese
[14:20] <goatsocks> apachelogger: except fedora's hats look like ass
[14:20] <apachelogger> if they were blacknwhite they would be terrific ska hats :P
[14:20] <apachelogger> ryanakca: so, where to aggregate the suggestions?
[14:21] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I'm not sure... Forums would probably be best since it provides some form of control yet has the greatest amount of users...
[14:22] <apachelogger> ryanakca: IMHO a wiki would be best, forum clutters the information a lot
[14:22] <apachelogger> but
[14:22] <apachelogger> ubuntu wiki is broken, so what to do :S
[14:22] <goatsocks> ok scrap the hats... how about branded cosmonaut headgear like in sabdfl's hackergotchi? that would get people's attention
[14:22] <claydoh> I can definitely put an announcement on K-F-N
[14:23] <apachelogger> *noted*
[14:25] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Hmmm... probably overkill, but you could make a submit form that just sticks all submissions + email + realname in a MySQL database... that way you can get all the submissions without clutter, no need to register (of course, something to prevent spam), etc
[14:25] <claydoh> I could also post on the k-u mailing list, but that definitely would get clogged up wiith errata
[14:25] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we could use google docs for that
[14:25] <ryanakca> apachelogger: don't you need to register for google docs?
[14:25] <apachelogger> nope
[14:26] <apachelogger> you get a submission form and google docs stores the data in a spreadsheet
[14:26] <apachelogger> or... doesn't that koffice db-app have an online form thingy as well
[14:26]  * apachelogger forgot the name :P
[14:26] <ryanakca> That would work too
[14:26] <ryanakca> knoda? *shrug*
[14:27] <apachelogger> kexi
[14:27] <rgreening> Kubuntu: Life made easy
[14:29] <apachelogger> kexi-kde4 reminds me on office 2007
[14:30] <apachelogger> Any other thoughts on the Kubuntu slogan?
[14:30] <apachelogger> "Configure Kexi..." function is not available for version 2.0 alpha-9 of Kexi application.
[14:30] <apachelogger> hehe :D
[14:33] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Anyways, we've figured out we need a new slogan. Have we settled on a t-shirt as a prize?
[14:33] <apachelogger> pretty much
[14:33] <Hobbsee> perhaps you should have a prize pony.
[14:33] <apachelogger> fall back is stickers
[14:33] <goatsocks> Kubuntu: Ubuntu for Cyborgs
[14:33] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: :D
[14:33]  * apachelogger crashed kexi-kde4 
[14:33] <Hobbsee> hey apachelogger!
[14:34] <Hobbsee> goatsocks: beep beep!
[14:36]  * apachelogger hands Hobbsee a cookie
[14:36] <Hobbsee> choc chip?
[14:37] <apachelogger> of course
[14:37] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we need more branding in Intrepid
[14:37] <apachelogger> currently there is ... eh... none at all :P
[14:37] <Hobbsee> oh, tasty, thanks!
[14:38]  * apachelogger is wondering why google docs doesn't want to go to offline mode in chrome
[14:39] <goatsocks> where are svg's of the current kubuntu logo?
[14:39] <apachelogger> oh
[14:39] <apachelogger> that is another topic
[14:39] <apachelogger> _what_ is the official kubuntu logo?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> the one on the kubuntu.org site?
[14:40] <goatsocks> the hybrid ubuntu/gears logo is great imo
[14:40] <apachelogger> well, there is also the one which is not shiny and uses black text
[14:40] <goatsocks> has anyone attempted one in the oxygen style?
[14:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I think they're both official...
[14:41] <apachelogger> this sucks ass
[14:42] <apachelogger> goatsocks: mayb we can get an oxygen dood to try ;-)
[14:42] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we probably should set this on a kubuntu meeting agenda and settle on one
[14:43] <ryanakca> apachelogger: okies...
[14:43] <apachelogger> and I'll ask the oxygen doos if someone is intersted in oxgenify the most recent one
[14:44] <goatsocks> that would look slick
[14:44] <apachelogger> Other thoughts about the logo?
[14:44] <goatsocks> then you could rebrand the app menu button
[14:45] <apachelogger> I don't think we should do that.
[14:45] <apachelogger> we probably should get some thoughts on that
[14:45] <apachelogger> on the one hand 2-way branding is confusing, on the other I think giving KDE their fair amount of branding also makes sense and ensures upstream stays happy
[14:45]  * ryanakca nods
[14:46]  * apachelogger always changed the icon on suse
[14:47] <apachelogger> I'll send a mail about that to -devel
[14:47] <ryanakca> Anyways, shall we get more input from the community at the next meeting? (Make sure everybody (or the majority) wants to change the slogan / get a better one, etc)
[14:48] <apachelogger> I think everyone agrees
[14:48] <apachelogger> despite that fact that no one really used that collaboration to the core thing.
[14:48] <apachelogger> ryanakca: we certainly can get some input on this though
[14:48]  * ryanakca nods
[14:49]  * apachelogger searches a reasonable way to aggregate suggestions
[14:49] <ryanakca> Anything else until then?
[14:49] <apachelogger> and we need to appoint a jury
[14:49] <apachelogger> ryanakca: think up som ideas where we can introduce Kubuntu branding
[14:49] <apachelogger> ...in Intrepid
[14:50] <ryanakca> apachelogger: yes, at least to reduce it to say ~5 slogans... and then let the community decide? Or would the jury select one?
[14:50]  * ryanakca nods
[14:50]  * apachelogger is all for jury decisions
[14:50] <apachelogger> you never know which part of the community actually takes part
[14:51] <apachelogger> e.g. it could be super technical and they settle on the most un-promotional just because it sounds cool to them ;-)
[14:51]  * ryanakca nods
[14:52] <apachelogger> We also need to work on our news @kubuntu.org
[14:52] <ryanakca> Anyways, until the next Kubuntu meeting?
[14:52] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I think we should appoint the jury at the next kubuntu meeting
[14:52] <apachelogger> or just go with the kubuntu council
[14:52] <ryanakca> apachelogger: the website spec wants to get rid of the news on the front page and place the latest kde packages and some other thing in it's place
[14:53]  * apachelogger can't imagine
[14:53] <apachelogger> how would the latest kde packages be placed there?
[14:53] <apachelogger> and what are other things?
[14:54] <ryanakca> Replace the News list with a latest KDE packages page and latest Kubuntu release page (linking to the release notes).
[14:54] <apachelogger> hm
[14:54] <apachelogger> ryanakca: isn't that what the news are about anyway?
[14:55] <ryanakca> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidWebsite ... no clue how, I'm going to try to get a meeting with whoever was there when they drafted the spec to sort out some of the items in it... some of them are vague and they say possible changes. Which ones do they want type thing :)
[14:56] <apachelogger> ok
[14:56]  * apachelogger needs to leave
[14:56] <ryanakca> Cheers
[14:56] <apachelogger> I have another meeting in 4 meetings, and I gotta drive 10km ;-)
[14:57] <goatsocks> meeting in 4 meetings? you judge time by meetings instead of minutes now? ;)
[14:57] <apachelogger> Thank you for your time, was an awesome meeting :)
[14:57] <apachelogger> goatsocks: yus :P
[14:57] <apachelogger> I'll try to have the meetings up as soon as I am back.
[14:57] <apachelogger> cya
[14:57] <ryanakca> Hehe, have fun :P
[14:57]  * goatsocks feels bad for apachelogger
[15:29] <nixternal> apachelogger: pong?
[15:35] <nixternal> damn, I don't know why I said 1300UTC for that meeting...should have been 1500UTC :P
[15:38] <ryanakca> haha :)
[15:39] <nixternal> though I was up at 1300UTC, but I was thinking 15:00 UTC
[15:40] <knome> i was up at 0700utc, but slept over the meeting
[15:40] <nixternal> lol
[15:41] <goatsocks> nixternal: just launch two clock plasmoids, set one of them 3 timezones behind, and drag that one to the other and *poof* you'll be transported to before the meeting started!
[15:41] <nixternal> hehe
[15:41] <nixternal> plasmoirific!
[15:41] <goatsocks> that's the timemachine:/ kio
[15:45] <nixternal> I think I am going to head into the office and get some work done today so I don't have a super busy week ahead
[17:23] <seele> hmm.. mental note: it doesnt seem that lancelot is fully keyboard accessible
[17:23] <seele> the latest blog entry says they are working on it, but it will be something we have to think about if we consider it for a kickoff replacement in jaunty
[17:46] <apachelogger> nixternal, knome: I sent the minutes to kubuntu-devel
[17:54] <apachelogger> gotta go to meeting #3 :P
[17:54]  * apachelogger fades
[19:46]  * ScottK-laptop crosses fingers.
[19:47] <ScottK-laptop> New kde4bindings currently building on all 7 architectures.
[20:01] <KhaoticMind> hey, does anybody know of any issue with latest kubuntu 8.10 and vmware server 2 rc2 ?
[20:01] <KhaoticMind> i tried intalling vmware tools on a fresh kubuntu install and all i got was a hang when booting
[20:02] <KhaoticMind> ow yeah, and on the first boot i get an "/home/user/Desktop" does not exist from plasma...
[20:07] <goatsocks> the creation of ~/Desktop shoulda been handled by the xdg userdirs script (forget which one it is) before anything else tried to touch it
[20:07] <goatsocks> does ~/Desktop exist now?
[20:07] <KhaoticMind> not really
[20:07] <KhaoticMind> what happens is that i'm using a pt-br system, so the folder is called "Área de Trabalho" (portuguese do Desktop)
[20:08] <KhaoticMind> no wonder it can't be found :)
[20:08] <goatsocks> ah
[20:08] <goatsocks> something's not using the proper api to access that dir then
[20:09] <ScottK-laptop> jtechidna: It looks like some good bugfixing has been done in Krusader svn since you packaged a snapshot.  Interested in maybe updating it?
[20:09] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: sure, just after I get lancelot updated :P
[20:10] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[20:10] <KhaoticMind> goatsocks: the complaining plasmoid is folderview. It has the "show the desktop folder" option selected
[20:11] <goatsocks> ah, it needs to use xdg... i thought i saw a bug on that
[20:12] <KhaoticMind> i'm trying to find a bug for it... if there isn't i'll open one
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> ugh
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: So, lancelot upstream didn't make a 1.0.3 tag but says that revision 860641 is 1.0.3. Can I just svn export that rev and make my own tarball?
[20:12] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: So, lancelot upstream didn't make a 1.0.3 tag but says that revision 860641 is 1.0.3. Can I just svn export that rev and make my own tarball?
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> whoa
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> deja vu
[20:13]  * JontheEchidna didn't know that could happen
[20:13] <KhaoticMind> thats what you call "lag" :)
[20:13] <KhaoticMind> thou some people prefer to call it "time travelling" ;)
[20:13] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Yes, but don't call it 1.0.3.  You could call it 1.0.3~svnxxxxxx
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> k, thanks
[20:15] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: You got that xxxxxx you should fill in, right (just checking)
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> yeah, with the svn revision
[20:15] <ScottK-laptop> svn revision or date, either way.  I like revision better.
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> me too, I think revision is easier to match to date than the other way around
[20:17] <ScottK-laptop> Yeah.  I see date more often, but that makes complete sense.
[20:17] <ScottK-laptop> It made it very easy to diff the krusader changelog in their svn just now (for example).
[21:12]  * JontheEchidna debuilds krusader svn 6078
[21:16] <neversfelde> Riddell: I took a look at lensfun and I have several problems. It is my first package from scratch, so if it is needed soon, probably I am not the right person to package it.
[21:18] <ScottK> neversfelde: I think he's away for several days.
[21:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^ Maybe you can help ...
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> oh cool, the "Krusader kept running after closing the main window" bug is fixed
[21:23] <neversfelde> ScottK: thx, I wil ask apachelogger later, how fast I should be ;)
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> Heh, krusader looks less ugly now too
[21:45] <goatsocks> kde4-ified?
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> yes. before it looked like it was using old widgets just with a grey background
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: bug 269938
[22:01] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Ack'ed.
[22:01] <JackWinter> anyone have an idea how i can stop kded from hogging the cpu on my kubuntu system ?  the command shown running in system guard is: kded [kdeinit] --new-startup, is using some 85% user and 15% system...
[22:02] <JackWinter> it's a hardy 8.04 with all the normal updates
[22:03] <JackWinter> if i kill that process cpu usage drops to nearly nothing, but i can't access new media like cdroms etc
[22:06] <ScottK-laptop> Odd.  It's 0% and 0% on mine.
[22:13] <JackWinter> yeah, i don't know what the problem is
[22:14] <JackWinter> it occurs even if i boot with the usb dvd turned off, so i don't think that's it either (was reported as a bug).  the only usb i have is the mouse (printer turned off too).  didn't have this in gutsy.
[22:14] <ScottK-laptop> It may be a kernel issue specific to your hardware.
[22:17] <JackWinter> of course :)   i'll try booting different kernels, but it occurs with .16 and .19  i'll try booting with .14 too, and also try the non-rt kernels.  mb is an asus p5k with q6600 and 4gb of ddr-1066 ram.   don't think i had the problem in gutsy but was a long time ago.
[22:18] <JackWinter> maybe i should try to compile a kernel with only the hardware i have ?
[22:18] <JackWinter> googling hasn't really led me to anyone having a similar issue...
[22:19] <goatsocks> i'd search bugs.kde.org if i were you... there've been all kinds of high cpu bugs since kde4 was introduced
[22:19] <ScottK-laptop> goatsocks: He's on KDE3.
[22:19] <goatsocks> oh, well that'd be a real problem then ;)
[22:19] <JackWinter> this is on kde 3.something
[22:20] <goatsocks> you're screwed ;)
[22:20] <ScottK-laptop> JackWinter: Do you have hardy-backports enabled and have you upgraded to 3.5.10?
[22:21] <ScottK-laptop> JackWinter: If you haven't, before you do, be forewarned that there are a few known regressions that we are working.
[22:21] <ScottK-laptop> Detais in Bug 261840
[22:23] <JackWinter> hehe, i'm somewhat a noob to linux and kde, some 6 months full time usage now.  don't know how to check which version, but think i have 3.5.9.  what are the hardy-backports ?
[22:29] <ScottK-laptop> !backports | JackWinter
[22:30] <ScottK-laptop> Unless you've enabled it, you don't have it.
[22:30] <ScottK-laptop> My suggestion is that if nothing in the bug about regressions concerns you, upgrade to 3.5.10 and see if it's better.  Warning though, downgrading is non-trivial.
[22:33] <JackWinter> ScottK-laptop: yesh, i've been wondering about downgrading.  seems like it would be useful but it's not evident to me how to do that..:)
[22:33] <ScottK-laptop> I'd assume if you're going to upgrade it's a one way trip.
[22:34] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Would you please look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17598822/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.kde4bindings_4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:34] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I think I followed your advice and it worked out on lpia.  On hppa, not so good.
[22:35] <JackWinter> ScottK-laptop: it's not that bad, i have my /home on a different partition, so i can just reinstall the os and my apps, but it would be some work...  not worse than many other os' though :)
[22:36] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  It is possible to downgrade, but it's not easy.
[22:36] <JackWinter> ScottK-laptop: that's something i miss from adept :)
[22:37] <ScottK-laptop> The challenge is kind of built into the package management system dependency resolution.  All core kde packages are built against their version of kdelibs, so you have to downgrade them all together.
[22:38] <JackWinter> ScottK-laptop: ok, thanks you've given me some avenues, and i'll pursue them.  many thanks for the help!
[22:38] <ScottK-laptop> You're welcome.
[22:39] <JackWinter> probably best to start with the kernel.  since i haven't seen anyone else having this problem suggests indeed that it has to do with my hw...
[22:41] <JackWinter> i have seen some other strange happenings with with low latency audio and manipulating the priority of threads.  in fact the .16 kernel works much better for me than the .19.  maybe i should update my nvidia drivers too.
[22:43] <JackWinter> in any case once again thanks, and i hope i won't be back again with my problem :)  wish all of you a good weekend
[22:48] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Your FFe for Krusader is approved.
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> ScottK-laptop: cool, now sponsorship through normal methods?
[23:17] <vorian> JontheEchidna: i'll get it for you here in a couple of hours
[23:17] <ScottK-laptop> JontheEchidna: Yes.
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> vorian: bug 269896 too maybe? :D
[23:18] <vorian> sure thing
[23:18] <vorian> JontheEchidna: looks like you need a second ack
[23:19] <vorian> nevermind
[23:19] <vorian> i always read from the bottom up for some reason :P
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[23:19] <vorian> werd
[23:20] <vorian> i plan on some er work tonight anyhow :)
[23:20] <vorian> i am afraid to watch the bucks tonight
[23:22] <vorian> i also am for kubuntu branding of the application launcher
[23:22] <vorian> are we all blogging about this competition, or just one of us?
[23:22] <vorian> these things i want to know :)
[23:23] <vorian> i havent blogged for ages
[23:30] <apachelogger> vorian: eveverytwo
[23:30] <apachelogger> that is one awesome redundancy
[23:30] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: been in meetings all day?
[23:40] <stdin> before I forget again, can someone review/ack the latest kopete-cryptography revu upload and get it uploaded? I'm pretty sure it's ready to go now :)
[23:47] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Link please?
[23:47] <stdin> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography
[23:47]  * ScottK-laptop looksa
[23:47] <ScottK-laptop> looks
[23:49] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Are you sure you uploaded the right one?  Debdiff from the previous one is empty on REVU.
[23:50] <stdin> ScottK: yeah, the very last upload is the with the tarball from the get-orig-source rules (as I don't think the md5sums should be different), the one before that has the other changes
[23:51] <ScottK-laptop> Ah
[23:51] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[23:51] <stdin> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/diff.py?upid1=3673&upid2=3680
[23:52] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: DEB_PHONY_RULES := get-orgi-source looks like it's missing a 'g'
[23:52] <stdin> ugg, I hate typos :p
[23:53] <stdin> do you see anything else before I fix that?
[23:55] <stdin> oh, and do you think I should do anything about "W: kopete-cryptography source: quilt-build-dep-but-no-series-file kopete-cryptography" ?
[23:59] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Add a lintian override for that.
[23:59] <ScottK-laptop> You need quilt for kde4.mk
[23:59] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: That's it from looking at the diff.  Let me download it and look some more.