[00:01] <kudar_> my wlan interface is down
[00:01] <kudar_> how do i get it back up
[00:02] <kudar_> hmm
[00:02] <stylist[obsd]> ifconfig ath0 up
[00:02] <stylist[obsd]> ?
[00:02] <stylist[obsd]> where ath0 is the name of your wlan interface
[00:02] <stylist[obsd]> eg wifi0
[00:02] <stylist[obsd]> or something
[00:03] <kudar_> when i type ifconfig  i only see eth0 and lo
[00:03] <kudar_> no wifi
[00:03] <_2> iwconfig ?
[00:04] <kudar_> iwconfig i get lo - no wireless connection
[00:04] <kudar_> and eth0 - no wireless extensions
[00:10] <ofv> Hi. I need the 32 bit versions of libX11 and others for AMD64. How can I install them?
[00:12] <favro> !find libX11
[00:13] <ofv> favro: I have those packages installed. There are no 32 bit versions on /usr/X11R6/lib32.
[00:14] <favro> ofv: best I can do - I don't use 64bit...
[00:14] <ofv> favro: thanks for trying!
[00:15] <favro> np :)
[00:20] <italjer> hi
[00:20] <italjer> new user.
[00:22] <italjer> anyone know who to get a channel list?
[00:22] <italjer> ugh...help menu not loading.
[00:22] <favro>  type /list
[00:22] <italjer> thank you :)
[00:22] <favro> np
[00:23] <italjer> type /list
[00:23] <favro> hehe  just   /list
[00:24] <italjer> lollol
[00:24] <italjer> totally new to linux, irc...........
[00:24] <italjer> vista converted me.
[00:24] <italjer> so nice to be free of bill
[00:25] <favro> there's this too - http://searchirc.com/search.php?SCHANS=1&SSORT=SIZE&N=freenode
[00:26] <italjer> WOW..... Super list!
[00:27] <Hamra> yes, very huge list! it kills my connection, and eventually crashes my konversation :P
[00:28] <stdin> you can do /msg alis list <search pattern>
[00:28] <stdin> eg /msg alis list *kubuntu*
[00:28] <Hamra> stdin: yes, that's what i learned to do when searching for a certain channel
[00:29] <italjer> when these commands are typed...do they appear in this particular chat room?
[00:30] <stdin> no, the ones starting with '/' get sent only to the server
[00:30] <Hamra> it's nice how almost all major FOSS software have channels on this server, here is usually the first place i search for a support channel
[00:30] <stdin> (unless you put a space before it)
[00:30] <italjer> great :)
[00:31] <ofv> Just for the record: for getting 32 bits versions of the X libraries, install the respective packages and then install ia32-libs.
[00:34] <genii> Hamra: Yes, freenode has a great policy in this regard
[00:39] <_2> /say /say
[00:40] <gkffjcs> how do I start a process in the terminal, in such a way that it will continue to run after I close the terminal, for example I want to start a process on a remote machine via ssh, and have it keep running after I exit the ssh session.
[00:40] <_2> nohup
[00:42] <genii> gkffjcs: Detach from terminal with -d switch
[00:42] <gkffjcs> allright ille give it a try...
[00:43] <genii> gkffjcs: Can also use command screen
[00:43] <ign0ramus> how do i know if the headers for my kernel are installed?
[00:44] <gkffjcs> where do I use the -d option, is that an ssh option? also what is the command screen?
[00:45] <ofv> ign0ramus: ls /usr/src/linux-headers*
[00:45] <favafro> or  dpkg -l | grep linux-headers
[00:45] <genii> gkffjcs: With the -d option:   eg:   bash -d <nameofcommand>
[00:45] <ign0ramus> ofv: yeah, i just found that it's "linux-headers-<uname -r>"
[00:45] <ign0ramus> thanks guys
[00:46] <_2> gkffjcs  or "nohup command args &"
[00:47]  * Danu fui a Coger xD Ausente por ahora.
[00:52] <reagleBRKLN> i have a new kubuntu 8.04 pc on my lan, how to I print to a printer on my workstation? windows machines have no problem, but the kubuntu client complains of cifs access
[00:52] <reagleBRKLN> just trying to get one kubuntu machine to print to another, wouldn't have expected it to be so hard
[00:55] <favro> !cups
[00:57] <gkffjcs> the nohup command doesn't seem to work, when ever I kill the ssh session the action on the remote server dies also bash doesn't seem to have a -d option.
[01:00] <Hamra> i usually type   command&  , and it works
[01:01] <reagleBRKLN> i don't want to print from windows, that's easy. i want to print from kubuntu to kubuntu
[01:02] <reagleBRKLN> i can print from the machine to which the usb is attached, and even a windows machine
[01:02] <_2> i just tested nohup and it does work.     ssh user@host       then run command     nohup command & ;exit
[01:02] <reagleBRKLN> ipp doesn't work, and samba is weird -- I suspect having to do with kubuntu not being willing to send plaintext auth? but i'm using real user accounts with a smbusers
[01:08] <cuznt> work
[01:09] <cuznt> i need to turn off my mom's sis sound card and activate my Creative SoundBlaster Live 5.1
[01:11] <scrubb2000> Hello, anyone here?
[01:12] <nejode> reagleBRKLN: doesn't cups in your local machine find the shared printer in the other kubuntu?
[01:12] <xomp> hi folks! I followed this guide to install KDE 4.0 on Gutsy http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-40-stable-in-ubuntu-gutsy.html
[01:12] <scrubb2000> I was wondering if someone could help me understand startup scripts like those in /etc/init.d and /etc/rcX.d...
[01:12] <xomp> It appears that I now have KDE 3.5.8 & KDE 4.0 installed now lol. Anyway to get rid of 3.5.8?
[01:13] <nejode> ...sudo aptitude remove kubuntu-desktop
[01:14] <Schuenemann> hey, I've just installed Hardy and I noticed something different from Gutsy. During startup, it does not print information about what is going on. It simply show a Kubuntu logo and a progress bar. Is there any way to make it like Gutsy was?
[01:14] <xomp> although I'm not too impressed with the performance of KDE4 over 3.5.8. 4 seems to run a LOT slower :S
[01:14] <xomp> nejode, cool thanks :)
[01:14] <favro> scrubb2000: the files in rcx.d are symlinks to init.d files - what did you want to know?
[01:14] <reagleBRKLN> nejode: i don't follow. how is the client supposed to find the printer on the server...? at which step? in which way? add print in web/cups interface, kde control panel?
[01:15] <nejode> Schuenemann: remove "quiet" and "splash" fron your kernel boot line
[01:15] <favro> Schuenemann: you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for that - near the end is a line that starts with kernel - end of that line remove splash
[01:16] <Schuenemann> quiet and splash?
[01:16] <nejode> reagleBRKLN: type localhost:631 in your browser
[01:17] <favro> Schuenemann: quiet shows less messages during boot - makes it a bit more readable imo
[01:17] <mado> hheellpp  mmee  pplleeaassee                         ii  pprreesseedd  sshhiifftt  oorr  ccttrrll  ttoooooo  lloonngg  aanndd  nnooww  ii  hhaavvee  ttoo  pprreess  eevveerryy  bbuuttoonn  qquuiittee  aa  lloonngg  ttiimmee
[01:17] <reagleBRKLN> ok
[01:17] <Schuenemann> and splash removes that progress bar, favro?
[01:17] <favro> Schuenemann: correct :)
[01:17] <Schuenemann> alright, thanks
[01:18] <favro> if you remove it that is
[01:18] <mado> aass  yyoouu  ccaann  ssee  ....  tthhee  lleetteerrss  aarree  ddoouubblleedd
[01:18] <Schuenemann> yeah, of course :p
[01:18] <reagleBRKLN> nejode: ok, typed it in
[01:18] <nejode> ...you'll get CUPS web page
[01:19] <reagleBRKLN> yes
[01:19] <mado> ccaann  yyoouu  hheellpp  mmee??
[01:19] <favro> sadotried a reboot?
[01:19] <favro> sado^^
[01:19] <favro> tried a reboot?
[01:19]  * Schuenemann test
[01:19] <scrubb2000> favro, I don't seem to have a /etc/inittab.  Where does kubuntu define the default runlevel?
[01:20] <mado> ttaallkkingg  wwiitthh  mmee??
[01:20] <nejode> scrubb2000: since edgy there's no inittab in *ubuntus
[01:20] <reagleBRKLN> nejode: yes, cups page
[01:20] <mado> aallmmoosstt  llookkss  lliikkee  iitt
[01:20] <scrubb2000> so what does it use?
[01:21] <xomp> I guess kde4 has a newer network manager? I couldn't get on my wifi network unless I started Network Manager 3 from KDE4 :/
[01:21] <favro> scrubb2000: /etc/event.d I think - I'm using dapper atm
[01:22] <scrubb2000> favro, i do have one of those.  Looks like default runlevel is 2 for my system.
[01:23] <favro> scrubb2000: that is how ubuntu sets it up - 2 as the default
[01:24] <Schuenemann> can ayone tell me where is kwin.rc ?
[01:24] <favro> scrubb2000: 1 is single/root/recovery, 3,4+5 are set up like 2, 0 is shutdown, 6 is reboot and S is always used
[01:25] <scrubb2000> Ok, now here's my question.  I have a startup script called pulseaudio that exists in /etc/init.d and an identical one called s25pulseaudio in /etc/rc2.d.  What is the one in the init.d folder used for? Doesn't the boot process call the one in rc2.d?
[01:25] <Schuenemann> I mean kwinrc
[01:26] <favro> scrubb2000: the one in /etc/rc2.d is a symlink to the one in init.d normally
[01:26] <favro> scrubb2000: right click it and look at properties
[01:26] <scrubb2000> Ohh...ok.
[01:26] <xomp> nejode, change of plans lol, anyway to get KDE4 off this laptop? It's too slow compared to 3.5.8 :)
[01:26] <scrubb2000> I guess the only way to tell is to look at the properties?
[01:27] <favro> scrubb2000: my icons show it as a symlink here
[01:27] <scrubb2000> Oh, I see.  My default view is "previews"
[01:28] <scrubb2000> You know, that reminds me, how do I change the default view in Dolpin?
[01:28] <scrubb2000> nm
[01:28] <scrubb2000> found it
[01:29] <xomp> I think #kubuntu-kde4 has had a heart-attack lmao
[01:29] <scrubb2000> argh.  Why does it not save the setting globally?
[01:29] <xomp> I've idled in that channel all day and have seen many a person come and go with questions that nobody has answered lol
[01:29]  * [pyro] cant stand dolphin
[01:30]  * genii Konquers
[01:30] <scrubb2000> Is there a way to make "details" ALWAYS be the default view for dolphin
[01:30] <dbglt> can anyone explain exactly what kde-nightly is?
[01:30] <dbglt> is it a binary packaged every night? Or a svn update/compile ?
[01:31] <scrubb2000> It never seems to keep the setting when I change it...
[01:31] <genii> dbglt: Perhaps ask them in #kde
[01:31] <mafer> whats the page fot kubunto in spanish=?????
[01:31] <favro> scrubb2000: view - view mode   doesn't do it?
[01:31] <dbglt> genii: it is a kubuntu package
[01:31] <CoJaBo-Eee> Does anyone know what this error means and how to fix it? "The audio playback device HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog) does [offscreen]
[01:31] <CoJaBo-Eee> Falling back to HDA Intel (ALC269 Analog)."
[01:31] <scrubb2000> favro, it changes it for that instance, but if I open a new one, it's back to previews.
[01:32] <favro> !es | majer
[01:32] <mafer> thank you.
[01:32] <favro> scrubb2000: settings-configure dolphin
[01:32] <CoJaBo-Eee> It happens at each login, when the login sound starts to play and gets cut short by that error.
[01:33] <mefisto__> scrubb2000: what settings are you changing? in dolphin preferences, general, is "save view properties for each folder" ticked?
[01:33] <mefisto__> scrubb2000: also, "default view mode"
[01:34] <genii> dbglt: As far as I understand they are nightly builds from whatever is in the trunk at that time
[01:34] <scrubb2000> mefisto__, I set it to details, and unchecked that box you mentioned.  Let's see if that works.
[01:34] <scrubb2000> ahh...that's better!
[01:34] <dbglt> genii: a build being a package, right?
[01:34] <scrubb2000> ok, now more questions on startup scripts.
[01:35] <mn_> i have ndiswrapper and drivers installed correctly but am having trouble with the security key on Ubuntu/Kubuntu. can anyone help me please?
[01:35] <scrubb2000> if I run a script from /etc/init.d as a normal user, does it actually execute them?  I never see any output to the console when I try that...
[01:35] <dr_willis> scrubb2000,  normally those scripts are ran at boot or by root user. Not a normal user.
[01:36] <dr_willis> sudo /etc/init.d/whateverscript
[01:37] <genii> dbglt: Yes
[01:38] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, if I do that, does it run the commands in the script as root?  Or does it only need sudo in order to start the script then run the commands as user?  The reason I'm asking is I've had problems starting pulseaudio as root--it botches the permissions on some cookie files and then pulseaudio won't run as a user after that.
[01:39] <dr_willis> scrubb2000,  services often change their  groups/id,   your use or the term 'running as a user' is vague. Most of those scripts start services that NEED to be ran as root.
[01:39] <Schuenemann> is it worth using this KDE wallet?
[01:40] <dr_willis> scrubb2000,  I dont mess with pulseaudio much. Ive not had any issues with it. Pulseaudio is differnt in that its a service, thats ran by the sytem, and  has client apps that the users run. SO its possible theres some issues between the 2.
[01:41] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, how can I tell what user/group a script is running things as?
[01:42] <dr_willis> scrubb2000,  not sure.. read the script perhaps. I imagine most of them run as root.
[01:42] <dr_willis> only a few services run as their own user,  like the http, and  a few others.
[01:43] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: I find it annoying, but it's up to you I suppose
[01:43] <dr_willis> theres always the 'stop using pulse audio' option. :)
[01:43] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, I always disable it too... I though I didn't know about its benefits :p
[01:43] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, well, maybe you can just help me with a single line from this one then.  Does the line 'test "$var" != "1" && exit 0' stop the script if it detects that var is not equal to 1?
[01:43] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: I may be in the same boat with you. anyone that likes kde wallet?
[01:44] <dr_willis> if Var is Not equil to 1 succedes.. then it will exit.
[01:44] <Schuenemann> I would like it if it were full of money...
[01:44] <Walzmyn> I find kdewallet anoying as hell, 'cause when i boot up, I want it to connect to my router without me having to type another password
[01:44] <dr_willis>  anything after && is ran ONLY if the  return code of the stuff befor it is successfull
[01:45] <dr_willis> so it will exit if Var is anything except 1. (i think)
[01:45] <Schuenemann> it seems nobody use it because nobody knows nothing about it (except that it's annoying)
[01:45] <arlenik> To what file does KNetworkManager save configurations regarding my wireless setup?
[01:45] <[pyro]> arlenik: hang on ill get it for u
[01:46] <mefisto__> arlenik: I don't think it's one single file. one place is /etc/network/interfaces
[01:47] <[pyro]> arlenik: ~/.kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc
[01:47] <scrubb2000> hmm...ok.  So /etc/init.d scripts are run during boot...are there scripts that run when a user logs on?  What are they called or where are they located?
[01:48] <favro> scrubb2000: ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:49] <[pyro]> scrubb2000: other auto stuff is in ~/.bashrc
[01:50] <favro> .bash_profile?
[01:55] <scrubb2000> how do I create a shell script?
[01:55] <Schuenemann> scrubb2000, it's just a text file
[01:55] <scrubb2000> no special permissions or anything?
[01:56] <Schuenemann> to create? no
[01:56] <favro> scrubb2000: the first line is   #!/bin/bash - the next the command
[01:56] <favro> scrubb2000: then you make it executable
[01:56] <Daisuke_Ido> or preferably, comments explaining what the script does, THEN commands
[01:56] <scrubb2000> how do I make it executable?
[01:57] <mefisto__> also, if the file isn't in your path you run it with ./myscript.sh
[01:57] <favro> scrubb2000: chmod +x /path/to/file
[01:57] <mefisto__> to make it executable: chmod +x myscript.sh
[01:58] <scrubb2000> Where would I put a script if I wanted it to run for any user who logs in, not just myself?
[01:58] <favro> scrubb2000: I use a symlink in /usr/bin
[01:58] <favro> or just put it in /usr/bin :)
[01:59] <favro> scrubb2000: $PATH   in konsole will tell you your options
[01:59] <scrubb2000> So everything in /usr/bin is run when somebody logs in?
[01:59] <scrubb2000> That sounds wrong to say...
[02:00] <mefisto__> no
[02:02] <cknowles> How can I launch Mythtv Frontend using IRKick? the exec command should be "mythfrontend --service" but I can't get it to work with the KDE Program Launcher option in IRKick
[02:02] <scrubb2000> What I'm looking for is a directory where scripts are run for ANY user that logs in, when they log in.  Does such a path exist?
[02:03] <federico> buenas... soy novato y acabo de instalar kubuntu 8.04 y tengo un problema
[02:04] <gx009> !es
[02:05] <federico> sorry i just install kubuntu 8.04 and i have a trouble i am newbee
[02:06] <Schuenemann> Hardy did one STUPID thing Ubuntu has been doing: translate folder names. Is there any way to undo this (without using everything in english) ?
[02:07] <favro> scrubb2000 there might be something in kdm.conf
[02:09] <favro> scrubb2000: /etc/gdm/PostLogin/default.sample
[02:12] <mefisto__> scrubb2000: /etc/init.d/ scripts are run on startup, in the order specified in /etc/rcS.d -- but it gets complicated and you should read up on how it all works. type man update-rc.d for more info, or google it
[02:13] <mefisto__> scrubb2000: an easy way is to have a symlink to a script in every user's autostart directory
[02:14] <mefisto__> scrubb2000: but that will only work when logging in to kde, not on every boot
[02:17] <Schuenemann> is there any way the translation of the folder names?
[02:17] <Schuenemann> *is there any way to avoid the translation of the folder names?
[02:18] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: you mean they are translated into different (human) languages?
[02:19] <Schuenemann> yes, I'm talking about ~/Desktop specifically. Gutsy preserved it as "Desktop", but Hardy is using a localised name. It sucks =/
[02:19] <Schuenemann> it has spaces and special chars
[02:23] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, I found out I can edit that in ~/.config/users-dirs.dirs
[02:23] <Schuenemann> IMO, it should remain as Desktop and perhaps use a link with the localised name...
[02:24] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: that file doesn't exist on my english lang system. maybe deleting it would work too?
[02:25] <Schuenemann> I'll delete and see
[02:25] <mefisto__> oh it does exist
[02:25] <Schuenemann> it has variables
[02:25] <mefisto__> mine is user-dirs.dirs (not users)
[02:25] <Schuenemann> mine too, sorry :p
[02:26] <johninlex>  ok here is the bad question for the day KDE VS Gnome, which is better, I have been reading this for a few weeks and I can not decide which one is bettter. What is your all's idea KDE VS Gnome , which one is better?
[02:26] <Schuenemann> XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Área de Trabalho" (ugh)
[02:26] <Schuenemann> johninlex, try both and decide
[02:26] <mefisto__> johninlex: kubuntu users will probably say kde
[02:27] <mefisto__> or keep both installed and remain undecided
[02:28] <johninlex> Schuenemann, mefisto__, you know I have tried bot and I cant decide which one I like both
[02:28] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, I see Hardy has this Windows-like separation of directories: images, videos, docs, music...
[02:28] <johninlex> both^ sorry for the typo
[02:28] <cknowles> http://www.illusionary.com/GNOMEvKDE.html <- quite a funny comparison
[02:28] <johninlex> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3673321_4
[02:29] <johninlex> and I can give you about 10 more that I have been reading
[02:29] <Schuenemann> johninlex, I'm more used to KDE. The only thing I don't like is how firefox runs in it
[02:29] <johninlex> in the tty
[02:30] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, can you paste your file to me?
[02:36] <gx009> kde4.1.1 ftl
[02:39] <gx009> 3.5.9 for my desktop is silky smooth .. even though i dont have flash support on konqueror and dont want to use FF.. but for my laptop i am gnome
[02:39] <stdin> yeah, thanks for the completely offtopic comments
[02:40] <gx009> that's still about kde
[02:40] <stdin> but this is a support channel, not a "anything related to kde" channel
[02:41] <Schuenemann> !pt
[02:41] <gx009> true
[03:02] <Schuenemann> !dolphin
[03:12] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: just got back. here's my user-dirs.dirs http://paste.ubuntu.com/46475/
[03:13] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, what are templates and public for?
[03:13] <Ted_Fischer> Hi! I have a question about kdevelop setup
[03:14] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: I don't know. both of them are empty. public is maybe for sharing files over the network?
[03:14] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, any problem in removing them?
[03:14] <Schuenemann> Desktop is the only that makes sense to me
[03:17] <Daisuke_Ido> i *think* public is a directory in your home that's accessible to all users
[03:17] <mefisto__> removing the directories?
[03:17] <Schuenemann> yeah
[03:18] <Daisuke_Ido> but i won't swear to that
[03:18] <Schuenemann> why would I need a directory called videos? or music?
[03:18] <mefisto__> or removing them from user-dirs.dirs ?
[03:18] <Schuenemann> both
[03:19] <Schuenemann> I don't like this "windows-like" feature
[03:20] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Ido, hardy uses localised names for those dirs
[03:20] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: I think you could change them all to whatever directory you want to use. I don't see how it could be a problem
[03:21] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, does anyone use that XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR for something?
[03:21] <Schuenemann> if someone does and I remove it, it could be a problem
[03:22] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: I think it's just the default dir eg if you save a new file from kate, the save dialog will be at that directory when it opens to give the file a name
[03:23] <mefisto__> Schuenemann: http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
[03:23] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, seems so
[03:24] <ubuntu> hello, who speak spanish?
[03:24] <Schuenemann> !es
[03:25] <Schuenemann> mefisto__, ok, I'll delete everything and see
[03:25] <stephen> does any one know a way to make kubuntu look more like suse KDE3.5? most importantly the task menu and the k menu icon, I want it more green
[03:26] <Schuenemann> what is the task menu? K?
[03:26] <stephen> well just the whole bottom bar
[03:27] <Schuenemann> you can right click it can configure
[03:27] <stephen> suse is way more green, kubuntu is more blue
[03:27] <Schuenemann> you can right click it and configure*
[03:27] <Schuenemann> or maybe there's a suse theme somewhere
[03:28] <stephen> i've got every thing I want so far except the panel
[03:28] <Schuenemann> right click > configure > task bar then choose the colours?
[03:28] <Ted_Fischer> stephen cant you change it in system settings
[03:30] <mefisto__> the kmenu icon is kmenu.png I think. use locate kmenu.png to find it, and replace it with some other icon if you like
[03:30] <stephen> you can change the background colors there but I see no option to change the actual K icon
[03:30] <BadassMF> what up
[03:31] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: in any case, ask your question :)
[03:32] <Schuenemann> stephen, ~/.kde/share/icons/icon_theme/size/apps/
[03:32] <mefisto__> stephen: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kickoff-qt+on++Kubuntu+7.04?content=55864
[03:33] <Ted_Fischer> Hi! I have a question about kdevelop setup
[03:33] <DreadKnight> kick-off or lancelot? :-)
[03:34] <knic> is there an ioslave to browse http similarly to ftp in konqueror?
[03:35] <Schuenemann> stephen, I mean /usr/share/icons/default.kde/ ...
[03:37] <Ted_Fischer> has any one here set up kdevelop on their system?
[03:38] <Ted_Fischer> I'm trying to follow the KDE tutorial for programing in KDE 4 and am having a problem
[03:40] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: what kind of problem?
[03:43] <Ted_Fischer> I write the main.cpp with no problem in either Kate or kdevelope and save it in my home dir. i then run the g++ comand that the tutrorial and it doesnt see the things i tell it to include so it errors out.
[03:48] <nihl> anybody here good with vim?
[03:51] <Ted_Fischer> ryanakca: have you ran into this?
[03:53] <SiR-HaCk> buenas
[03:53] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: no. Did you install the required libraries?
[03:56] <Ted_Fischer> on KDE I cut and pasted the required packages and it installed with no errors. do i have to have it in a diffrent directory?
[03:58] <Ted_Fischer> ryanakca, your messages are in red. are you privately messaging me?
[04:01] <stephen> how do I change the K menu icon?
[04:01] <stephen> I know where it is located and I have a new icon but it wont let me change it
[04:03] <stephen> nvm i was being stupid
[04:05] <favro> is there a gtk port of the crystalsvg icons?
[04:08] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: no, it's because I'm including your nick in my message.
[04:08] <ryanakca> Ted_Fischer: don't know, sorry.
[04:15] <Ted_Fischer> ryanakca: i have it on kubuntuforums.net but havent gotten an answer. i will put it on the email list next.
[04:15] <Ted_Fischer> ryanakca: i have to go thank you.
[04:32] <Takeshi_Hykova> im upgrading from my matrox card to an nvidia 6200. Do I need to uninstall the current video drivers before installing the nvidia card?
[04:33] <lat> I'm having trouble using tune2fs and e2label to set a label on my hard drives. I suspect it is because all my drives were originally formatted fo NTFS before I converted them to Ext3. The errors I am getting are: tune2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda
[04:33] <lat>  Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
[04:33] <lat>    What can I do to solve this?
[04:35] <favro> Takeshi_Hykova: if you leave it X will fall back to the vesa driver - then you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[04:36] <favro> Takeshi_Hykova: or follow this
[04:36] <favro> !nvidia
[04:36] <Takeshi_Hykova> well im going to use envy to install the nividia drivers but b4 that do i need to uninstall the current vido drivers?
[04:47] <mikesa81> can someone point me to instructions on how to run a seperate kde4 from svn along side my 3.5?
[04:48] <mikesa81> i want to work on documentation but the doc guys seem to be sleeping
[04:52] <stdin> mikesa81: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started
[04:56] <mikesa81> stdin: im afraid i need a bit more help
[04:56] <stdin> mikesa81: best place to ask is #kde or #kde-devel
[04:56] <mikesa81> stdin: ok, thanks :)
[04:59] <agent01> hi
[05:01]  * mr---t- passes genii a kubuntu coffee
[05:08] <Laniac> anyone there?
[05:08] <mr---t-> yeah
[05:09] <Laniac> cool
[05:09] <Laniac> how do you get a binary file to run?
[05:09] <Laniac> it's a .bin
[05:10] <di48lo> http://pastebin.com/m1814404e  any ideas why my fat is not mounting?
[05:11] <di48lo> i will love your face if you help my fstab love me
[05:12] <ere4si> Laniac: in konsole type the path to itthat's maybe not a good offer :)
[05:12] <ere4si> oops
[05:12] <ere4si> Laniac: in konsole type the path to it
[05:12] <Laniac> ok
[05:12] <Laniac> brb trying that
[05:13] <di48lo> http://pastebin.com/m1814404e please please please
[05:14] <ere4si> di48lo: which is giving you grief?
[05:14] <di48lo> the fat
[05:14] <Laniac> "no such file or directory"
[05:15] <di48lo> I keep getting something about no end of line when I mount -a
[05:15] <Gokee2_Laptop> Does the alternate CD for kubuntu ship with only lilo and no grub?
[05:15] <ere4si> di48lo: you go to the end of the last line and hit enter and save
[05:16] <ere4si> Laniac: where is the .bin?
[05:16] <Laniac> desktop atm, just downloaded it
[05:16] <Laniac> it's for Java runtime
[05:16] <di48lo> omg thanx mAN
[05:17] <di48lo> i thought it must be something stupid like that
[05:17] <ere4si> Laniac: then the path you type in konsole is   !/Desktop/filename.bin
[05:17] <ere4si> * ~/Desktop/filename.bin
[05:17] <dr_willis> Gokee2_Laptop,  alter cd installs grub.. but i think it has the option to install lilo. but it may need to download the lilo pacakges to install lilo.
[05:17] <Gokee2_Laptop> Hmm
[05:18] <Laniac> Thanks.  I'm a recovering Vista victim, so I'll probably be here often.  Laniac out.
[05:18] <ere4si> di48lo: where's my face lovin :)
[05:18] <Gokee2_Laptop> I am installing on a raid array (boot is on raid 1 the rest on raid 5) does grub not support that?
[05:18] <dr_willis> I was thinking the /boot partition in some cases could NOT be on an array.
[05:19] <dr_willis> But thers such varity if raid setups.. it may be only some cases its required.
[05:19] <Gokee2_Laptop> The installer is only giving me the option for lilo and I kindof want grub cause thats what I have used for a long time now
[05:19] <dr_willis> I dont recall the installer ever wanting to install lilo. Could be its using lilo. because of the raid setup.
[05:19] <ere4si> does this give a clue
[05:19] <ere4si> !raid
[05:21] <Gokee2_Laptop> Hmm first link does not exist and I have read the 2nd already.
[05:21] <Gokee2_Laptop> I guess I will go ahead with lilo according to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+question/19031 grub won`t work with raid
[05:23] <ere4si> it won't? - well there you go - I didn't expect that
[05:23] <Gokee2_Laptop> Hmm lilo fails to install
[05:24] <Gokee2_Laptop> "The lilo package failed to install into /target/.  Installing lilo is a required step bla bla bla"  Why does it say /target/ instead of /dev/md1?
[05:25] <ere4si> Gokee2_Laptop: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=706879 - says solved for raid1 raid5
[05:27] <dr_willis> Gokee2_Laptop,  could be /target is a link to /dev/whatever
[05:27] <mixed1234> can anyone recommend me a laptop that would be ideal to use to DJ?
[05:28] <Gokee2_Laptop> Ok, thanks
[05:28] <Takeshi_Hykova> wow the nvida driver installation using envyng was flawless. GREAT! application
[05:30] <dr_willis> Untill ya get a kernel update.. and your X dont work.. then you wonder why....
[05:30] <dr_willis> :)
[05:30] <dr_willis> Had to explain that to my new-linux-using friend at work the other day
[05:31] <Takeshi_Hykova> the envy site says the driver update by envy when the kernel is upadted is automatic!
[05:32] <dr_willis> in theory. :)
[05:32] <dr_willis> Just somthing to rember if you ever boot up and cant get X going..
[05:33] <Takeshi_Hykova> everything else the envy site told me was flawless i dont know why I would doubt them now
[05:34] <dr_willis> Given the long and rather nasty history of envy. and how its classified as 'unsupported' - Buyer Beware.
[05:35] <dr_willis> Do whatever you want..   this is linux.
[05:35] <ere4si> +1 dr_willis
[05:35] <Takeshi_Hykova> envy is free
[05:36] <dr_willis> I never said it wasent free.. and the old envy. wasent exactly 'gpl' free. that was a major issue with it.
[05:36] <Takeshi_Hykova> buyer beware?
[05:36] <dr_willis> Just a saying.. "use caution in what you do"
[05:37] <dr_willis> !envy
[05:38] <Takeshi_Hykova> I took my time researched alot of Linux, ubuntu, and Kubuntu forums ect..... made an informed decision on the path to folow did it and everything went exactly as described to me .
[05:38] <dr_willis> I have my system fully working without needing to use Envy at all.
[05:39] <Takeshi_Hykova> thats great im sure your a command line master
[05:40] <dr_willis> actually the first boot up, the hardware-manager driver asked if i wanted to install the nvidia drivers and i just checked the right box.
[05:41] <Takeshi_Hykova> isnt that the restricted drivers?
[05:42] <dr_willis> theres a tool  that runs , and pops up a dialog asking about if you want to install the restricted drivers.. correct.
[05:42] <dr_willis> I forget what its name is now a days. it changed in the last release.
[05:42] <Takeshi_Hykova> envy also automatically updates the drivers when nvidia releases new ones.
[05:43] <Takeshi_Hykova> I wanterd the proprietary drivers
[05:45] <dr_willis> The drivers in the repositories are the proprietary drivers, they are just not the 'cutting edge up to date versions'
[05:45] <dr_willis> the 'nv' driver is the gpl 'free' driver, the 'nvidia' ones are proprieatary.
[05:46] <Takeshi_Hykova> why would i spend money on a high proformance graphics card then settler for old drivers
[05:47] <dr_willis> I dont care what you do...   do whatever you like. Just dont expect much support in here when envy breaks somthing.
[05:48] <Takeshi_Hykova> why would it be included by ubuntu in the universal repository if it has a reputation of breaking stuff?
[05:48] <ere4si> Takeshi_Hykova: lots of people use envyng - it's ok if it works :)
[05:48] <dr_willis> 'if'  ia often a big if.
[05:48] <Takeshi_Hykova> yea i know im just wondering about these command line fanboys heheheheh
[05:49] <dr_willis> I dont see what the command line has to do with it at all...
[05:49] <Takeshi_Hykova> they hate it if you didnt spend an hour in a command promopt
[05:49] <Takeshi_Hykova> lol
[05:49] <ere4si> it's more about the cleanup when things break...
[05:49] <dr_willis> they do?
[05:50] <dr_willis> I find it more annoying when 'ubuntu' gets blamed for 'breaking' when users do... 'odd/weird/unsupported' things.
[05:50] <dr_willis> Of course if Nvidia/ati both got their act together - video driver support would not be a Top 10 'problem' with linux.
[05:51] <Takeshi_Hykova> if envy is odd and unsupported why is it in the unviersal repository?
[05:51] <Takeshi_Hykova> oh I forgot weird
[05:51] <mixed1234> can anyone recommend a laptop that I could use to DJ?  I plan on using the laptop to play back my library stored on an external HD
[05:52] <dr_willis> Takeshi_Hykova,  because people kept wanting it  its also 'envyng' they cleaned up the old envy i hear.
[05:52] <dr_willis> theres lots of 'unsupported' things in the repos.
[05:52] <ere4si> mixed1234: audio playback is a low resource thing so any lappy would do it
[05:52] <Takeshi_Hykova> yep thats what i used and it worked flawlessly
[05:52] <gx009> the problem is choice .. so you become part of the problem along with choices
[05:52] <dr_willis> Takeshi_Hykova,  and as we have been saying. you are one of the 'lucky' ones.
[05:53] <Takeshi_Hykova> kool :) if you say so
[05:53] <mixed1234> ere4si, not any lappie would do, i would need one with a decent sound card, sturdy, etc. etc
[05:53] <dr_willis> which is the core of all that we have been saying.  Envy could break on you.  dont expect help here if it does break.
[05:54] <Takeshi_Hykova> well thank you for assuming the responsibilty of making that statment for everyone here :)
[05:54] <ere4si> mixed1234: I here some folk have issues with intel hda sound - might be something to  look out for
[05:55] <dr_willis> You are the one claiming envy works 'perfectly' when in fact for a great many people it does not.
[05:55] <Takeshi_Hykova> so you say
[05:55] <dr_willis> Use what you want.  we dont care.
[05:55] <ere4si> Takeshi_Hykova: it comes with an uninstall option for a reason
[05:55] <Takeshi_Hykova> we?
[05:55] <dr_willis> raise of hands of anyone that actually cares?
[05:55] <Takeshi_Hykova> great thats another option is has seen to include
[05:56] <dr_willis> to add to all yours. so this topic is now been beaten to death.  Have fun.
[05:56] <mr---t-> forget it doc
[05:57] <dr_willis> mr---t-,  yep.. allready done.
[05:57] <Takeshi_Hykova> the doctor knows best :)
[05:57] <mr---t->  :-)
[05:57] <ere4si> and then for something different
[05:57] <ere4si> !topic
[06:00] <freaky[t]> when is the new kubuntu going to be released?
[06:00] <dr_willis> Normally it comes out the same day as ubuntu.
[06:01] <dr_willis> But with all the changes in kde4 thats going down the pipeline. they may not follow the exact same schedule
[06:01] <dr_willis> Id rather them delay a week or 2, and  have kde4 more stable.
[06:01] <dr_willis> #ubuntu+1 may have more detailed info. the release is still a month away.  So a lot can happen
[06:02] <ere4si> !intrepid
[06:09] <dr_willis> wow -- so quiet now...
[06:09] <dr_willis> :)
[06:09] <dr_willis> Kubuntu Must be perfect!
[06:10] <freaky[t]> ere4si: thank you
[06:10] <freaky[t]> it's early in the morning, most people are sleeping probably ;D
[06:10] <freaky[t]> it's 7:10am here
[06:10] <dr_willis> Hmm... The intrepid cd - is  10mb bigger for the 64bit version. vs the 32bit version.
[06:11] <dr_willis> bigger #'s ? :)
[06:11] <freaky[t]> i always use 32bit versions
[06:12] <dr_willis> I do also.. but all my machines in the house are now 64bit
[06:12] <dr_willis> just curious as to what issues still hamper 64bit linux these days
[06:13] <dr_willis> My new laptop has 64bit windows - I will admit - ive not seen many issues with 32/64bit on it.. Other then a few apps that wont run.   And i forget what those even were.. some little  utilities.
[06:14] <freaky[t]> dr_willis: i dont know. i got a Intel Quadcore CPU ;D
[06:14] <dr_willis> so you need 256bit!
[06:14] <dr_willis> :)
[06:14] <freaky[t]> hehe ;p
[06:14] <freaky[t]> nah
[06:14] <dr_willis> Given the video reencoding ive been doing lately.. I could use a quadcore.
[06:15] <dr_willis> but this dualcore - does the job.
[06:15] <freaky[t]> :D
[06:15] <freaky[t]> i only got 2.4ghz quadcore but it's ok :D
[06:16] <dr_willis> Converting 10 shows at 20 min each or so.. take about an hr to convert/burn to dvd video .iso format. then another 10 min to burn the dvd..
[06:16] <stdin> 2.4GHz * 4 = 9.6GHz, yeah, that's "ok" :p
[06:16] <dr_willis> assuming the apps use them all properly.
[06:16] <Schuenemann> hey, what package to I need for mp3 support?
[06:16] <dr_willis> cpu1 = 100% used. 2 through 4 = left for the desktop special effects..  :)
[06:16] <freaky[t]> stdin: ;D
[06:17] <dr_willis>  libk3b2-mp3 for k3b
[06:17] <freaky[t]> for my kubuntu the desktop effects dont work as expected that's why i dont switch them on
[06:17] <Schuenemann> this kubuntu-restricted-extras has a lot of stuff U don't need
[06:17] <freaky[t]> waiting for the next kubuntu maybe works better there
[06:17] <stdin> even if the app doesn't utilize multi-threading, the kernel will usually do some basic management
[06:17] <Schuenemann> I mean I don't need
[06:17] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  now you have us all confused. :)
[06:17] <stdin> libxine1-ffmpeg for amarok
[06:17] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, how?
[06:18] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  clarify exactly what it is you are asking please...
[06:18] <freaky[t]> what do you think about KDE4?
[06:18] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, I want mp3 support
[06:18] <freaky[t]> for me it's still not running smoothly enough
[06:18] <freaky[t]> somehow
[06:19] <freaky[t]> i hope it's better in the next kubuntu cuz it will only support kde4
[06:19] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  to burn mp3 to audio cd in k3b you need       libk3b2-mp3 . as for other apps.. I dont know off hand.
[06:19] <stdin> I've been running KDE4 as my primary desktop since early betas
[06:19] <dr_willis> freaky[t],  i hear its still a little slow due to some driver/nvidia issues.
[06:19] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, sorry, I want to play mp3... I can only play ogg and free formats
 libxine1-ffmpeg for amarok
[06:19] <stdin> Schuenemann: ^
[06:20] <stdin> amarok and other xine bases players actually
[06:20] <Schuenemann> stdin, ffmpeg? to play mp3? I think there's something wrong
[06:20] <Schuenemann> or not?
[06:20] <dr_willis> try it and see i guess. :)
[06:20] <stdin> mp3 == mpeg
[06:21] <Schuenemann> yeah, but ffmpeg converts formats, right? Like youtube generates those flv files
[06:21] <dr_willis> mp3=mpeg  ->  3=eg (algerbra 101!)
[06:21] <Schuenemann> isn't there a libxine-extracodecs anymore?
[06:21] <dr_willis> !find libxine
[06:21] <stdin> ffmpeg is a library, the application "ffmpeg"  is the frontend
[06:22] <stdin> the sooner you install it, the sooner I can prove I'm right ;)
[06:22] <Schuenemann> ? isn't mpeg CLI?
[06:22] <freaky[t]> dr_willis: yea hopefully they fix it
[06:22] <Schuenemann> (I'm already installing)
[06:22] <stdin> Schuenemann: no, mpeg is a codec family :)
[06:22] <stdin> actually no, it's a format
[06:22] <Schuenemann> bleh, I meant ffmpeg lol
[06:23] <stdin> as I said, it's a library, the program "ffmpeg" is a frontend to that library
[06:23] <Schuenemann> ok
[06:24] <stdin> you don't need the "ffmpeg" package, just the library, which xine will use and you'll get your tunez :)
[06:24] <dr_willis> just install the stuff allready!!!!
[06:24] <dr_willis> :)
[06:24] <Schuenemann> I did, I'm looking for a file now
[06:24] <Sixzero> you guys are crazy
[06:25] <stdin> make sure to restart amarok or whatever player your using after installing the package
[06:25] <stdin> Sixzero: no! we're Krazy :p
[06:25] <freaky[t]> is anyone here using kdevelop as IDE for c++ programs?
[06:25] <Schuenemann> stdin, it still can't play.
[06:25] <stdin> Schuenemann: did you restart the player?
[06:26] <Schuenemann> yes
[06:26] <stdin> freaky[t]: I would, but I hate autoconf and KDevelop doesn't support CMake yet
[06:26] <Schuenemann> wait, it says access denied for the file. But the file is on ~
[06:26] <stdin> check the permissions then
[06:26] <Schuenemann> bah, it belongs to root
[06:26] <Schuenemann> what is the command to change owner?
[06:26] <stdin> chown
[06:27] <freaky[t]> stdin: aha ok ... im looking for a IDE which helps me develop standard conform applications ... and which others can compile
[06:27] <dr_willis> change owner = CHange OWNer
[06:27] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, makes sense :-O
[06:27] <freaky[t]> Schuenemann: chown ;D
[06:27] <stdin> freaky[t]: that's really little to do with the IDE, but more your own code
[06:27] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  just do NOT ask where the N went in 'umount'
[06:28] <stdin> as long as you only user standard C and standard C++ stuff, it'll work anywhere
[06:28] <Schuenemann> I have asked myself that a few times
[06:28] <stdin> s/user/use/
[06:28] <Schuenemann> and also why there isn't a rename command
[06:28] <freaky[t]> stdin: yea but i can't write makefiles ... :( and it's not in the book i have - Accelerated C++
[06:28] <stdin> Schuenemann: erm, mv = move ;)
[06:28] <Schuenemann> yeah, but use move to rename? strange, huh?
[06:28] <stdin> freaky[t]: you think Makefiles are hard, autoconf is insane
[06:28] <freaky[t]> stdin: they only teach you how to do seperate compilation, but if you do it that way, theres still missing the makefile part
[06:28] <dr_willis> rename can also rename
[06:29] <stdin> Schuenemann: what do you think happens when you rename? ;)
[06:29] <dr_willis> mv moves the file to a new name...
[06:29] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, this rename is newto move
[06:29] <stdin> Schuenemann: if you want, add as alias to your ~/.bashrc "alias rename=mv"
[06:29] <dr_willis> !which qmv
[06:29] <dr_willis> !find qmv
[06:29] <Schuenemann> stdin, well, if I think that way, that remove does not remove too
[06:29] <stdin> then you can "rename file1 file2"
[06:29] <Schuenemann> that = then*
[06:29] <dr_willis> check out 'qmv' some time for run!
[06:29] <dr_willis> fun
[06:29] <stdin> remove actually should be called "unlink"
[06:30] <Schuenemann> ok, the file is playing now and that is what matters! :D
[06:30] <Schuenemann> thanks
[06:30] <dr_willis> but link is a web browser! :) oh wait.. thats links!
[06:30]  * dr_willis goes back to coding in FreeBasic
[06:30] <freaky[t]> stdin: what IDE are you using then?
[06:30] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, you like gotos?
[06:31] <stdin> freaky[t]: right now? nano :)
[06:31] <freaky[t]> hm, ok
[06:31] <stdin> Kate is really good too
[06:31] <stdin> or there's one called CodeBlocks
[06:31] <stdin> that's more like KDevelop (more IDE like)
[06:31] <freaky[t]> yea ive got codeblocks installed ... but i can't find out how to make that seperate compilation
[06:32] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  when i learned programming gotos were required to get things done.. and 4K was a lot of Ram!
[06:32] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, me too. I had a MSX
[06:32] <Schuenemann> well, I think I still have it
[06:32] <dr_willis> I got a TimexSinclare Hanging on the wall right above my Big PC's
[06:32] <stdin> freaky[t]: you need a make system, I'd suggest you learn about CMake, it works on Linux, Windows, Mac OS X and a few other places and is quite easy to learn. it'll make create the Makefile on demand for whatever system it's on
[06:32] <stdin> you can usually configure an application in a few lines
[06:33] <freaky[t]> stdin: ok that's great where can i learn about it?
[06:33] <freaky[t]> should i just google it or do you have any special docs?
[06:33] <stdin> http://www.cmake.org/
[06:33] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  been 'tutoring' a guy at work. hes taking some  'beginner' programing logic class. they are not even using a 'real' language. just some 'psuedo code' thats almost basic.  So i gave the guy a copy of FreeBasic and a Freebasic IDE to play with.
[06:33] <freaky[t]> thank you
[06:33] <stdin> cmake is also in the repos
[06:34] <freaky[t]> im insstalling it right now ;D
[06:34] <smokingplatypus> hey guys
[06:34] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, can't deny it's a simple language. Like pascal
[06:34] <stdin> http://www.cmake.org/cmake/help/documentation.html has some docs (ignore the Mastering CMake link, unless you want to buy a book)
[06:35] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  i guess the guys next class they get to learn real 'visual basic' :)
[06:35] <dr_willis> Wonder how much MS is bribeing them for that.
[06:35] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, Visual Basic is cool. You type "on error resume next" and all the errors are gone like magic!
[06:36] <dr_willis> I will stick with REXX ! :)
[06:36] <freaky[t]> stdin: ok thank you :D
[06:37] <Schuenemann> does anyone know which xmms package has a front end?
[06:37] <stdin> !xmms
[06:37] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  xmms2 uses front ends I thought.
[06:38] <dr_willis> xmms is its own stand alone thing.
[06:38] <Schuenemann> I installed that xmms2 and there's no front end
[06:38] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  check the packag mnager for xmms2 front ends? theres several last i looked.
[06:38] <dr_willis> Not that i could get them to do anything.. :)
[06:39] <wuzno> okay, so I'm a noob to linux, but I'm fairly adept with MS (who isn't these days) but I want to try and give linux a try I've tinkered with it before and I'm contemplating doing a dual boot with kubuntu, is this a fairly straight forward procedure?
[06:39] <Schuenemann> heh
[06:39] <dr_willis> xmms2 was overkill for my needs. I tend to use bmpx
[06:39] <dr_willis> wuzno,  yes. very straight forward
[06:39] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, I always using xmms because I thought amarok was overkill for me
[06:39] <wuzno> awesome thanks dr_willis
[06:39] <dr_willis> wuzno,   the installer normally installs the grub menu/boot loader. to let you pick what os to boot.
[06:40] <dr_willis> wuzno,  or if you just want to toy ith the distros you could use virtualbox, or vmware, to install inside a virtual machine. - or use wubi (not reccomended) :)
[06:41] <dr_willis> Im installing Ubuntu8.10 inside virtualbox right now as we speak.
[06:41] <wuzno> hrmm that all sounds fin an dandy but im not that skilled with virtual machine usage
[06:41] <Schuenemann> wuzno, if you boot kubuntu's cd you can take a look before installing
[06:42] <dr_willis> wuzno,  thats why virtualbox has documentation
[06:42] <dr_willis> live cd's are handy also. :)
[06:42] <Schuenemann> yeah
[06:42] <Schuenemann> they're the best invention since the wheel
[06:42] <wuzno> I'll def, give the live cd a look; but what's the best place to read up on virtualbox (or the easiest virtual machine)
[06:43] <dr_willis> Virtualbox is also great to test out Live cd iso files in.. befor you burn to disk.
[06:43] <dr_willis> virtualbox has a homepage.
[06:43] <dr_willis> http://www.virtualbox.org/
[06:43] <Schuenemann> doesn't that MS virtual pc thing work ok?
[06:43] <dr_willis> I wouldent touch anything by MS. :)
[06:43] <Reed_Solomon> they make decent optical mice
[06:43] <Schuenemann> he's already touching windows
[06:44] <dr_willis> Virtualbox and Vmware are both  raceing each other and adding more features all the time/improvements...  I havent heard much about MS virtual stuff in ages
[06:44] <Schuenemann> ages? I only heard about it recently. I thought it was something new
[06:45]  * Schuenemann installing bmpx
[06:45] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  they redid their priceing/licenseing I think not too long ago. to keep up with vmware/virtualbox
[06:45] <Schuenemann> hmmm
[06:45] <dr_willis> But given the useability of vmware and virtualbox. I dont plan on trying MS virtualpc anytime soon.
[06:48] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, this is what bmpx gave me: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/46518/
[06:48] <Schuenemann> :p
[06:48] <ere4si> I've just started with vbox and it seems ok so far
[06:48] <ere4si> ...
[06:49] <harolddong> latest version of k3b shows as an available update in adept but wont install.  Is this a known issue?
[06:49] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,   how did youinstall bmpx?
[06:49] <Schuenemann> apt-get install bmpx
[06:49] <dr_willis> ere4si,  yea.  vbox used to have issues with some live cd's but i dont seem to find any issues with them/it at all now a days
[06:49] <dr_willis> !dbus
[06:50] <dr_willis> Hmm odd...
[06:50] <dr_willis> 'Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session'
[06:50] <dr_willis> is dbus only installed by default on gnome? Ive rarelyhad to mess with dbus stuff
[06:50] <Schuenemann> I don't even know what that is
[06:50] <ere4si> !info dbus
[06:51] <dr_willis> seems odd it dident install it  with bmpx.
[06:51] <ere4si> dr_willis: I had those issues in a minimal install
[06:52] <ere4si> In component main, is optional
[06:52] <Schuenemann> I already have dbus
[06:54] <dr_willis> perhaps the dbus has a flat tire?
[06:55] <freaky[t]> harolddong: same here. i just installed the package ;D
[06:55] <dr_willis> try running 'dbus-session' from a terminal?
[06:55] <Schuenemann> I don't have that command
[06:55] <dr_willis> dbus-launch    perhaps>
[06:56] <Schuenemann> nope either
[06:56] <dr_willis> dbus-just-work-or-i-will-give-you-shuch-a-pinch --please
[06:56] <dr_willis> :)
[06:56] <Schuenemann> there is monitor, send, uuidgen, daemon and cleanup-sockets
[06:59] <Schuenemann> I'll leave this as it is and try again tomorrow, bye
[07:00] <tommy> hola
[07:00] <ere4si> !hi
[07:00] <tommy> alguine por ahi
[07:00] <tommy> alguna beba
[07:00] <ere4si> !pt | tommy
[07:01] <tommy> hola ere4si
[07:01] <tommy> komo estas
[07:01] <wuzno> ahhh i like virtualbox :-D
[07:01] <ere4si> g'day :)
[07:02] <dr_willis> My intrepid install inside virtualbox is hung at 50%
[07:03] <dr_willis> bummer
[07:03] <ere4si> I kept resizing vbox while X was loading and vbox-client would max out the cpu
[07:04] <wuzno> how do i maximize the kubuntu screeen in vbox? i've maxed vbox, but kubuntu is still only a small portion on vbox
[07:04] <dr_willis> Full Screen virtualbox. then you must configure the proper res inside the os IN virtualbox
[07:05] <dr_willis> theres also some virtualbox host packages you may need to install. to get full ussage of  th virtualbox fetures in the guest OS.
[07:05] <wuzno> hmmmm
[07:07] <ere4si> right_ctrl+f
[07:08] <wuzno> yea that maximizes vbox, and im still working on maxing kubuntu now
[07:09] <wuzno> what host packages might i need?
[07:10] <favro> but I have installed VBoxGuestAdditions.iso
[07:11] <ere4si> here it makes the guest have no borders - but I have installed VBoxGuestAdditions.iso
[07:12] <ere4si> I was in the wrong chat...
[07:15] <dr_willis> !vbox
[07:58] <wuzno> okay, so how do i execute a file from a CD if im in the CD directory?
[07:59] <dr_willis> guve the full path to the command
[07:59] <dr_willis> if its in the current directory you can use ./commandname
[08:00] <wuzno> im trying to install the linux x86 vbox guest additions
[08:01] <wuzno> and im in the CD directory  yet neet root access to install the file "./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run"
[08:01] <wuzno> need*
[08:02] <dr_willis> sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdd(whatever)
[08:02] <dr_willis> if you are in its directory
[08:02] <dr_willis> however there MIGHT be .deb packages in there also
[08:02] <kubuntu_> linux rulez
[08:02] <wuzno> it appears to be working, thanks
[08:03] <wuzno> dr_willis you've been my savior so far, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten this far with vbox or kubuntu woohoo
[08:03] <dr_willis> The virtualbox homepage has a rather large pdf guide/manual on using virtualbox. :)
[08:03] <dr_willis> theres a lot of neat features you  may want to check out
[08:04] <wuzno> yea i started reading up on vbox, but i wanted to get it max screen first off
[08:05] <dr_willis> !find virtualbox
[08:06] <dr_willis> I was thinking the virtualbox guest addons were in the repos also.. but perhaps not
[08:06] <wuzno> yay max screen!
[08:06] <wuzno> the guest additions were included in the DL
[08:06] <dr_willis> Yes.. but they MAY also be in the ubuntu repositories..
[08:07] <wuzno> hrmm interesting
[08:08] <dr_willis> !find virtualbox-guest
[08:08] <zorglu__> q. what if the package to get all the manpage for C developement ? malloc and co
[08:09] <dr_willis> zorglu__,  i normally install build-essential, that grabs most everything one needs for Core C development
[08:09] <zorglu__> dr_willis: yep but not the man page :)
[08:10] <dr_willis> Hmm.. ive seen them onmy systemn i thought.
[08:10] <dr_willis> man 5 malloc ?
[08:10] <dr_willis> I dont have a working linux box here at the moment
[08:10] <zorglu__> $ man 5 malloc
[08:10] <zorglu__> No manual entry for malloc in section 5
[08:10] <dr_willis> try 3
[08:10] <zorglu__> $ gcc -v -> gcc version 4.2.3 (Ubungcc version 4.2.3 (Ubuntu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)tu 4.2.3-2ubuntu7)
[08:11] <zorglu__> dr_willis: and i promise i didnt compile gcc myself :)
[08:11] <dr_willis> actually i dont have a working 'ubuntu' install right here.
[08:11] <dr_willis> it is section 3 of the man pages on this sabayon box.
[08:11] <wuzno> is it possible to get the graphics card to work properly in kubuntu within vbox?
[08:11] <wuzno> i think i have a nvidia 6800
[08:11] <zorglu__> manpages-dev - Manual pages about using GNU/Linux for development
[08:11] <dr_willis> wuzno,  if by properly you mean 'full 3d support' - No.
[08:12] <dr_willis> apt-get install *-dev :)
[08:12] <dr_willis> note. that command wont work.. (i think)
[08:12] <dr_willis> heh heh
[08:12] <zorglu__> dr_willis: i got man malloc now :)
[08:13] <wuzno> ohhhh okay, so to get the 3d support i need to do a real install right?
[08:13] <dr_willis> wuzno,  correct
[08:13] <wuzno> cool, thanks
[08:13] <dr_willis> wuzno,  both vmwawe and virtualbox are 'working' on that issue.. but  that may be a tough thing to get going 100%
[08:14] <dr_willis> wuzno,  look at it this way.. you can take your virtualbox install to any other mahcine ya got.. and it will run  without any changes. :)   so its a tradeoff.
[08:14] <wuzno> yea, i bet, but hey it's nice to play with kubuntu prior to installation
[08:14] <wuzno> yep : )
[08:14] <dr_willis> wuzno,  yep. and its a lot faster then a live cd
[08:15] <dr_willis> I just installed OpenGEU on virtualbox here to test it out
[08:19] <dr_willis> got guest ed. addons isntalled.. now rebooting the virtual machine
[08:20] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, you gonna be here for a bit?
[08:20] <dr_willis> Till 7 am. about 3 more hrs...
[08:20] <scrubb2000> k. I'm gonna try something and if it works I'll have some info for you.
[08:21] <scrubb2000> brb
[08:23] <wuzno> dang windows
[08:23] <wuzno> ha i made it back!
[08:23] <wuzno> and in kubuntu no less in yo face bill
[08:24] <wuzno> sorry guys for the spam, it's these small victories that keep me going
[08:24] <ere4si> hehe
[08:25] <ere4si> :)
[08:27] <ere4si> hmm can anyone else /msg ubottu ?
[08:27] <dr_willis> msg ubottu  Hello Sexy Bot
[08:27] <wuzno> is there a quick way to switch b/t workspaces without have to use the mouse?
[08:27]  * dr_willis gives ubottu  CPR
[08:27] <wuzno> lol
[08:28] <dr_willis> wuzno,  you mean virtual desktops on kde.. theres some keys for it.. I normally just use the mouse wheel over the pager. or theres  some setting to use the mouse wheel over the root desktop also.
[08:29] <wuzno> okay cool thanks
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> wuzno: apparently CTRL + ALT + right cursot
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> wuzno: not sure if they have compiz or not
[08:29] <dr_willis> but with virtualbox. its possible some keys might get grabbed by the underlaying OS.
[08:29] <dr_willis> yea. then theres compiz that can grab keybindings. :)
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> wuzno: you can also set it in
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> System > Preference > Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:30] <dr_willis> its amazing the # of keybindings compiz can use
[08:30] <scrubb2000> dr_willis, well, it didn't work.  Oh well.
[08:31]  * ActionParsnip hates compiz
[08:31] <dr_willis> clarify things a bit... - I got a short attention span.. :)
[08:31] <dr_willis> and im watching "Spore Gameplay videos"
[08:32] <scrubb2000> I'm still looking for that directory that runs scrips when any user logs on.  Still haven't found it.
[08:32] <dr_willis> when a user logs in? there is the kde Autostart directory IF they login to kde
[08:32] <dr_willis> !autostart
[08:33] <scrubb2000> yeah yeah, I know, but that only works for me.
[08:33] <scrubb2000> I mean it only works for my account.
[08:34] <scrubb2000> I was hoping for an Autostart folder that's account independent.
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: ~/.kde/Audorun or ~/.kde4/share/autorun
[08:34] <scrubb2000> Maybe even KDE independent.
[08:34] <ActionParsnip> autostart, gah!
[08:34] <dr_willis> account independant - is not going to work for specifi users.. thats 'system wide' :)
[08:35] <dr_willis> rc.local is normally used to run system wide startup things.. but thats befor X starts
[08:35] <dr_willis> theres also that rc.X dirctrory that has X specific scripts.
[08:35] <scrubb2000> Yeah.
[08:35] <dr_willis> it all depends on exactly what you are trying to run
[08:35] <scrubb2000> I'm still futzing with pulseaudio. =)
[08:36] <dr_willis> I never seem to have issues with audio....
[08:36] <scrubb2000> Which I want to run as a user daemon.
[08:36] <dr_willis> Hmm.. kde dosent use pulse audio - i thought
[08:36] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: me neither. i shop smart
[08:36] <scrubb2000> It works fine, it's just the startup part I'm playing with.
[08:39] <scrubb2000> So it sounds like there's no place to put scripts you want to run after login that isn't account-specific...
[08:39] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: how many accounts do you have or anticipate?
[08:40] <scrubb2000> Let's just say I'm in "tinkerer" mode right now. =D
[08:40] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: if yuo only have say 3 accounts, just do it on a per user basis instead of pulling your hair out tying to work it out
[08:41] <scrubb2000> I guess I should move on to my next problem, which is that windows have no top bar when I run compiz.
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: you on an nvidia graphicscard?
[08:42] <scrubb2000> yup
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> thought so
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> you need a line in xorg.conf
[08:43] <scrubb2000> Oh?  Do tell.
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: the "tob bar" is called a window decorator
[08:43] <scrubb2000> Ok.  I figured there was a name for it.
[08:44] <scrubb2000> What's this line I need to add?
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: http://pastebin.com/f12b0875d
[08:45] <scrubb2000> Ooo, the emerald manager calls it a "titlebar"  heh heh
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True" in "Screen" section as well as your graphics card section
[08:46] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: fixed it for me
[08:46] <scrubb2000> would the graphics card section be the "Device" section?  That line is already in my "Screen" section.
[08:47] <scrubb2000> oh wait...it says ARGBVisuals, not ARGBXVisuals...
[08:47] <scrubb2000> er ARGBGLX
[08:47] <scrubb2000> That's fun to read out loud. ;D
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: add the line to both is what made mine work.Its a defunct line for me now as i use fluxox
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> *fluxbox
[08:48] <scrubb2000> What's that?
[08:48] <ActionParsnip> ill get you my screeny
[08:50] <ere4si> !fluxbox
[08:50] <ere4si> +1 fluxbox :)
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: http://damnsmalllinux.org/dsl-2.0RC2-fluxbox.jpg
[08:50] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: its a no messing window manager
[08:51] <scrubb2000> ActionParsnip, I wonder why I would need that Option line in the "Device" section...
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: it doesnt mess around like compiz and it uses a hell of a lot less ram
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: i have no idea but it made it work for me
[08:52] <scrubb2000> ActionParsnip, Most of my RAM goes unused in Linux...I'm still trying to understand it, so I don't do a whole lot with it.
[08:52] <MiLiTo> hi, I have an hp laptop and it has a recovery partition I just installed kubuntu every time I try to boot with vista is sends me the wizard for recovery how can I fix that? thank you
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> scrubb2000: i just like my WM to do the job, not mess around then do it
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> MiLiTo: are you installing grub?
[08:53] <scrubb2000> alright, well lemme restart X and see if it fixed it.  brb
[08:54] <MiLiTo> yes, that's the one I have I checked the menu.lst and looks fine
[08:54] <ere4si> MiLiTo: sounds like you wrote over your windows install maybe... - if you let it recover then you can set up a dual boot better :)
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> !grub | MiLiTo
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> MiLiTo: you may need to do that
[08:55] <MiLiTo> I did it already and erased all the info I had in vista and then I wasn't able to see grub.. to used live cd to reinstalled grub and vista doesn't work again
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> MiLiTo: or fdisk maybe to make the ubuntu partition active
[08:56] <scrubb2000> actionparsnip, it didn't fix it.  But I have to go for now.  Thanks for the help.  And BTW, your nick just reeks of awesomeness.
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/andrew_woodhead666/?action=view&current=MyScreenshot.png
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> thats my deskyop
[09:00] <MiLiTo> thank you for your help it works now.. I just had to edit the menu.lst from hd0,1 to hd0,0 thanks again!
[09:02] <KaRnA> hi
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> hi KaRnA
[09:03] <KaRnA> i have installed desktop edition ubuntu(5gb) in my windows drive(20 gb) now i want to increase ubuntu's drive to 10 gb how to do it?????pls reply
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> KaRnA: you dont need to say "pls reply"
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> KaRnA: try gparted on livecd but backup important data just in case
[09:05] <KaRnA> ok, no ghostcube thatswhy  :) thanks
[09:05] <KaRnA> as i was told go to #ubuntu, for ubuntu ques, thatwhy i said pls reply
[09:05] <KaRnA> as nobody replies at #ubuntu
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> KaRnA: ubuntu room replies more then kubuntu imho
[09:06]  * dr_willis dident notice KaRnA  asking anytyhing in #ubuntu
[09:06] <KaRnA> lol no, i m fed up goin theree
[09:07] <KaRnA> check again, i asked 3 times
[09:07] <dr_willis> 3 times in 1000+ lines..  tends to get  scrolled off.
[09:07] <KaRnA> yeah thatswhy i ask here, their r more than 1K members :)
[09:08] <dwidmann> ActionParsnip: quality over quantity :P
[09:08] <dr_willis> KaRnA,  the answer is 'resize with gparted' after doing backups of imprntant data. :)
[09:09] <KaRnA> ok thanks ActionParsnip, dr_willis but i hav installed it in my c:\ from windows  (desktop editio), will it also work ? ( just for confirmation)
[09:09] <dr_willis> Not sure what you mean by that KaRnA
[09:10] <dr_willis> You used the WUBI installer? and isntalled it under windows?
[09:10] <KaRnA> yes
[09:10] <dr_willis> You may be stuck then.
[09:10] <KaRnA> and selected 5 gb partition and now want to change it to 10gb
[09:10] <dr_willis> I dont use Wubi at all.  and never plan on it.
[09:10] <dr_willis> !wubi
[09:10] <KaRnA> let me file a bug :)
[09:11] <KaRnA> not bug but just a suggesstion
[09:11] <Reed_Solomon> it would be nice if wubi had an advanced mode/ability to install to an ext3 partition instead
[09:11] <dwidmann> KaRnA: still, file a bug, set the severity to wishlist
[09:11] <dr_willis> Personally - i dident think Wubi should of been included at all.  :)
[09:12] <dr_willis> It seems too much like a 'work in progress' but It does work i guess.
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> dr_willis: its a waste of time to me, either run it live or install it
[09:17] <Freddy2> hi
[09:18] <dr_willis> !hi
[09:18] <KaRnA> dr_willis: its a waste of time to me, either run it live or install it??? ubuntu is not worth installing
[09:18] <Freddy2> following this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=812381 i've been able to compile vpnc with openssl support, but there's an error message when running it
[09:18] <Freddy2> sh: /etc/vpnc/vpnc-script: not found
[09:18] <dr_willis> KaRnA,  whatever - ask ActionParsnip
[09:18] <Freddy2> of course this script doesn't exist.. how can i fix this? thx
[09:18] <dr_willis> KaRnA,  i dont use Wubi - which was what he was refering to...
[09:19] <KaRnA> ok i was thinking of installing fedora :)
[09:19] <dr_willis> KaRnA,  install whatever you like.  This is linux. :) we dont force you do to anything.
[09:20] <dr_willis> Im testing out Sabayon On the laptop at the moment.  and OpenGeu on virtualbox here.
[09:20] <KaRnA> still help me choose,
[09:20] <dr_willis> totally depends on your needs.
[09:20] <KaRnA> i liked ubuntu a lot, vista like effect in 512 ram
[09:20] <dr_willis> I keep trying other disrtos and come back to Ubuntu or one of its variants
[09:21] <dr_willis> The 'eye candy' is a total non issue to me. I dont care about showing off to windows users.
[09:21] <KaRnA> i m more in programming,  some security stuff etc
[09:22] <jeanette> yeah, booting an intrepid on a new machine causes a solid lockup. total freeze
[09:22] <jeanette> sexy
[09:22] <jeanette> hardy didn't support any kind of proper x driver for the intel card
[09:22] <jeanette> intrepid has something that just kills the system
[09:22] <jeanette> fscking intel
[09:22] <dr_willis> INterpid is still a work in progress.
[09:23] <KaRnA> yes jeanette, i faced the prob
[09:23] <dr_willis> I though intel was the 'nice guys of video cards for linux'
[09:23] <jeanette> dr_willis: it's not really intrepid's fault at all
[09:23] <KaRnA> but wicd worked for me nicely
[09:23] <jeanette> wicd?
[09:23] <dr_willis> ive never had an Intel video card on anything - so cant comment much on intel.
[09:23] <KaRnA> its not card
[09:24] <jeanette> i thought they would have better drivers than this. as i don't play at all i thought *good* 2d would be enough
[09:24] <KaRnA> lol lol lol i mixed up here
[09:24] <jussi01> jeanette: ask about intrepid stuff in #ubuntu+1 :)
[09:24] <KaRnA> i started taking abt my intel wireless card lulz me
[09:24] <jeanette> jussi01: i'm not really asking, i'm just frustrated
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: what intel card do you have? most intels are supported by xserver-xorg-intel (or whatever its called)
[09:25] <KaRnA> ok, from where to get new themes for ubuntu? i heard abt ubereal wats that?
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> !themes | KaRnA
[09:25] <dr_willis> Well this is KUBUNTU,
[09:25] <dr_willis> there are a lot of themes in the package manager - not installed by default for kubuntu and ubuntu.
[09:25] <dr_willis> i would look there first
[09:26] <dr_willis> and note that 'themes' under Linux/ubuntu/kubuntu do not work the same as they do for 'windows'
[09:26] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: a pretty new one apparently. no idea about the exact number. brand new system
[09:26] <dr_willis> You can mixx and match theme 'parts' :)
[09:26] <KiDFlaSh> how can i save sessions manually?
[09:26] <KaRnA> there is 238 mb pending in my automatic update list, should i start update?
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: if you run lspci it will show
[09:26] <jussi01> !session
[09:26] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: the driver in hardy didn't recognize it, the one in intrepid does and kills the system
[09:26] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: then you can websearch from there
[09:27] <KiDFlaSh> where is the kmenu?ß
[09:27] <jussi01> hrm, that factoid doesnt seem correct anymore
[09:27] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: yes, that gave me some info that the driver is buggy and freezes
[09:27] <KiDFlaSh> WHERE?
[09:27] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: and the bug was perhaps fixed yesterday in the driver...
[09:27] <jussi01> KiDFlaSh: system settings -> advanced ->sessios iirc
[09:27] <KiDFlaSh> thx
[09:28] <jussi01> KiDFlaSh: check that for sure as Im not running kde3 atm
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> KiDFlaSh: thats a fabulous way to get ignored by pretty much the entire room
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> what a tool
[09:28] <jeanette> i think i'll just smack in a proper card in the system
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: id suggest nvidia :D
[09:29] <jeanette> getting some drivers compiled separately is a pain
[09:29] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: heh, they work but are slow
[09:29] <jussi01> I wouldnt, but thats me. ALso this discussion should head to #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:29] <jeanette> jussi01: do you know something i would like to know about the matter?
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: my onboard one plays most games fine (inc. urban terror)
[09:30] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: i don't even want to play on this system. i need to do development
[09:30] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: then just use the vesa driver
[09:30] <jussi01> jeanette: -> #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:32] <jeanette> ActionParsnip: not for 1920x1200, it won't do that
[09:33] <jeanette> jussi01: what happens there?
[09:34] <jussi01> jeanette: you can chat about more subjects. here is support for the current kubuntu release
[09:34] <jeanette> ok, i'm sorry
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> jeanette: if you are running intrepid go to ubuntu+1
[09:41]  * ActionParsnip listens to the wind blow
[09:41] <_Angelus_> guys
[09:41] <_Angelus_> is libdvdread sill needed when libdvdcss is installed?
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> _Angelus_: not sure, try to install it and you will be shown, as it will offer to download it as well
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> _Angelus_: souns logical though
[09:44] <ForgeAus> hehe I didn't know the /newserver command in X-Chat :)
[09:44] <ForgeAus> uh how od I mount a USB stick in kubuntu?
[09:45] <ForgeAus> (currently using fluxbox btw)
[09:46] <_Angelus_> ForgeAus: i think it was ctrl+t to open a new server window in xchat
[09:46] <ere4si> ForgeAus: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdx1 /media/mountpoint works here
[09:48] <_Angelus_> or just openenind it in dolphin and its mout automatic
[09:48] <favro> he's gone...
[09:49] <newb> hello how do i add new fonts to my kubuntu and how can i use these new fonts in openoffice?
[09:50] <jussi01> !fonts
[09:52] <enrico__> hallo zusammen
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> sla
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님들아
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님들아
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님들아
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 물어볼게잇어요
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님들아~!!
[10:02] <PhilRod> !cn
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 대답좀
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 요
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 님들아
[10:02] <ghkdrbals> 이거
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> 우분투
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> 어케함 ㄸ.
[10:03] <PhilRod> !op
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> 팝업이
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> 안떠요
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> 시밮
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> !op
[10:03] <ghkdrbals> !p[
[10:07] <Freddy2> i've just enabled ssl support in vpnc by compiling it from source (apt-get source, buildpkg... and so on), and now the update manager wants me to update the package.. how can i force it to forget it?
[10:07] <jussi01> !pinning | Freddy2
[10:08] <Freddy2> ok, let me check it.. thx
[10:09] <ghkdrbals> hey
[10:09] <ghkdrbals> hey
[10:09] <bazhang> !ko | ghkdrbals
[10:13] <Freddy2> hmm no lock available for adept.. any way to switch from adept to another update manager?
[10:14] <jussi01> Freddy2: do you have 2 adepts open?
[10:14] <Freddy2> 2? why?
[10:15] <jussi01> you can only run 1 at once...
[10:15] <Freddy2> i mean "no lock feature" in adept
[10:15] <Freddy2> :)
[10:15] <jussi01> oh...
[10:15] <jussi01> you can install synaptiv
[10:15] <jussi01> synaptic
[10:16] <Freddy2> in order to become the default update manager should i also remove adept?
[10:16] <jussi01> Freddy2: no need to do that
[10:17] <jussi01> they are just frontends to apt
[10:17] <ere4si> !apt
[10:23] <Freddy2> jussi01: so apt is the one that checks for updates periodically, and then calls the update manager to show changes when they happen? is this the way it works?
[10:24] <jussi01> Freddy2: the options are part of apt. adept and synaptic are just preety "faces" to the backent. so yeah, you are correct
[10:25] <Freddy2> so having both (adept and synaptic) installed which one should grow up once a change is detected? is there any place to configure it?
[10:40] <Freddy2> hmm stupid question xD
[10:40] <sbucat> lol
[10:40] <dr_willis> grow up?
[10:41] <Freddy2> nevermind
[10:41] <dr_willis> :)
[10:41] <dr_willis> Linux is ll about frontends to comand line tools
[10:41] <dr_willis> wich always seem to be small shell scripts that always use dd. :)
[10:43] <Freddy2> the point is that synaptic should somehow change apt config for a certain package, so there's no need to do anything more..
[10:46] <newb> hello, can someone help? i cant do this "sudo cp /home/usrname/new /usr/share/fonts/truetype" why?
[10:48] <jussi01> newb: whats the error it gives?
[10:48] <newb> omitting folder
[10:49] <jussi01> sudo cp -R  /home/usrname/new /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[10:49] <newb> but now i typed cp -R new/*  /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ and it worked... apparently it didnt let me copy the all folder
[10:49] <newb> but why?
[10:49] <stdin> see "man cp" or "man:/cp" in konqueror
[10:49] <stdin> you don't really need -R when you use "*"
[10:50] <newb> alright but still i dont get why i couldnt copy the whole folder but only the contained files...
[10:52] <stdin> you need -R to copy recursively, or "/*" to copy all the files in a dir, that's the way cp works
[11:13] <wesley_> hello. I added a new user and they are part of the audio group but I can't hear sound when I'm logged into that user
[11:13] <wesley_> what gives?
[11:34] <bonzo> HO
[11:35] <dr_willis> Yo!
[11:49] <Freddy2> is there any per-app config needed in order to get gtk theme working for all gtk apps on kde? i have xchat using my scheme but for example synaptic is not using it
[11:50] <dr_willis> synapitc is being ran as root.. thus its using roots settings
[11:50] <dr_willis> I belive is the core of the issue
[11:50] <Freddy2> so.. being unable to login as root where can i change this?
[11:50] <dr_willis> You can 'sudo' to root.
[11:51] <dr_willis> and run whatever theme setting tool is used to set gtk/gnome themes.. (i dont know the name of the tool)
[11:51] <dr_willis> I normally set root where his stuff is RADICALLY different from the normal user.. that way i know what apps are being ran as root
[11:52] <Freddy2> well, package managers allways run as root, so at this point that should be no problem
[11:52] <dr_willis> You can run synaptic as a user... it just wont let you do anything. :)
[11:52] <dr_willis> well you can look/browse I guess..
[11:53] <dr_willis> it just wont let you do anything "Dangerous"
[11:53] <Freddy2> even running kdesu kcontrol it seems this is not the instance that configures root settings
[11:54] <Freddy2> there i can see my scheme selected, but nothing happens to synaptic
[11:54] <Freddy2> (i can re-select it, but nothing changes)
[11:57] <dr_willis> synaptic is a gtk app. Perhaps ya shuld run the gtk theme tool as root.
[11:57] <Freddy2> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23798.html
[11:57] <Freddy2> this seems to be the answer.. i'm trying it
[11:57] <dr_willis> kde has that special 'thing' where it can some how redo the gtk apps ran by the user to use kdeish themes. I dont now how that affects stuff ran as root.
[11:57] <dr_willis> I dont worry about  themes too much. :)
[12:09] <Freddy2> well, now it looks far better.. by copying $HOME/.gtkrc-2.0-kde to /root/.gtkrc-2.0
[12:11] <dr_willis> You could link the files. that way the user chagnes get applied to root autiomatically
[12:12] <Freddy2> that's true
[12:12] <skinnymg1> is anyone else having a problem with streamtuner
[12:13] <skinnymg1> it wont load shoutcast
[12:20] <dr_willis> I think i had to set it up to use a different player ages ago.
[12:25] <Skrux> hi
[12:26] <Skrux> do anyone know any software to use my pc as a telephone, I have a phone card
[12:29] <angela> luca
[12:29] <angela> ci si
[12:29] <angela> oi lu
[12:31] <dr_willis> Skype lets you do phone calls.. No idea about the 'card' bit. :)
[12:32] <Skrux> dr_willis: but I don't want a noip, I want to call as a normal phone
[12:32] <Skrux> possible ??
[12:33] <dr_willis> Never noticed..  I have skype setup as a 'normal phone' here. :) i evenhave a wireless  networked handset.
[12:33] <dr_willis> I even have a dial in phone Number.
[12:39] <Skrux> dr_willis: but is a normal phone ?
[12:39] <Skrux> dr_willis: I have this: http://www.electronicsoutfitter.com/images/items/370/51370-hm92p.jpg
[12:43] <Skrux> dr_willis: I can use this modem as a phone ?
[12:44] <coromatic> Hi, wenn mein rechner in den "tiefschlaf" geht (akku leer), wird der screen gelockt, dieser lock lässt sich allerdings nicht aufheben. Erst wenn ich eine neue Sitzung starte und kdesktop lock kille ist der lock weg. Woran kann das liegen??
[12:45] <Skrux> coromatic: bitte:   /join #kubuntu-de    danke
[12:52] <coromatic> /join #kubuntu-de
[12:59] <oleg> привет
[13:00] <oleg> чо это сдесь происходит?
[13:00] <oleg> и куда я вообще попал?
[13:04] <dr_willis> !ru
[13:08] <uatever> hey
[13:09] <uatever> anyone knowledgeable about setting raid0 that can help me with two small questions
[13:19] <Guest93177>  
[13:24] <ngirard> Hi all. In order to synchronize some stuff between 2 kubuntu machines, I'd like tu use unison, which itself uses ssh to transfer data. But how to allow an ssh connection as root on kubuntu ?
[13:32] <dr_willis> perhaaps google for 'using unison as root ubuntu'
[13:32] <dr_willis> other then enablingthe root password on both,  or some sudoers tweaking.. not sure of the proper way to do it.
[13:39] <ngirard> dr_willis: solved my problem. sudo passwd root did the trick. Thanks for your assistance anyway :)
[13:39] <dr_willis> thats considered a 'bad' way to do it. :)
[13:39] <ThorAsgard> hi guys.
[13:39] <dr_willis> and i did basicially say thats the only way to do it i could think of ngirard  :)
[13:40] <ThorAsgard> what file system do u recommed to use ?
[13:40] <ngirard> dr_willis: i'm fine with it, i know what i'm doing. Thanks again !
[13:40] <dr_willis> ngirard,  'famous last words' :P
[13:40] <Ziroday> ThorAsgard: the default one ext3 is fine
[13:40] <ThorAsgard> ok
[13:41] <ThorAsgard> what are the difference between ext3 and the other file systems ?
[13:42] <Ziroday> ThorAsgard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[13:42] <Ziroday> you may find that helpful
[13:43] <ThorAsgard> 10x ziroday
[13:43] <Ziroday> ThorAsgard: no problem
[14:04] <eric> Hi, what's the use of kdwallet ?
[14:05] <DrBytes> Have a silly question; how can I upgrade from ubuntu 8.04 to the latest 8.10 without  having to download and burn a cd ?
[14:05] <DrBytes> can I do it via apt-get ?
[14:06] <Guest12499> ?
[14:07] <Guest12499> so ?
[14:15] <Walzmyn> I'm trying to re-partition my HDD so I can install that other OS
[14:15] <Walzmyn> how can I use the install CD to do that?
[14:15] <Walzmyn> It was real easy with my old Distro, but that CD won't run on this box 'cause it's a 64bit chip
[14:25] <dr_willis> 32bit live cd can run find on a 64bit cpu
[14:26] <mado> oy guys! ...
[14:26] <mado> sorry to disturb you but ...
[14:28] <mado> isn't there a webcam-feature in "kopete" ... it seems not to work ... well ... to be precisely ... my friend wanted to try her webcam out ... she sent me an "invitation" but i can't see it ... she uses "msn" under windows
[14:31] <mado> any one a clue?
[14:33] <dr_willis> its possible the webcam has no linux support
[14:33] <dr_willis> have her test it with some other apps like 'cheese'
[14:34] <mado> what do you mean? ... does her cam in windows need linux support so that i can see the webcam-chat-invitation in linux?
[14:35] <White_Pelican> mado, I'm guessing it shouldn't matter from her end
[14:36] <mado> so ok ...
[14:36] <mado> erm ... *thinking* ...
[14:36] <White_Pelican> I came in latye
[14:37] <White_Pelican> what's the issue?
[14:37] <White_Pelican> late*
[14:38] <Schuenemann> !nvidia
[14:38] <mado> uuhu ... ok White_Pelican ...
[14:38] <mado> my friend uses msn under windows ...
[14:38] <White_Pelican> I'm sorry hehe
[14:39] <mado> she tried to send me (kubuntu with kde4) a webcam-invitation ...
[14:39] <White_Pelican> using which application?
[14:41] <Schuenemann> hey. In hardy, to install proper nvidia support I just need to check that box in hardware drivers manager?
[14:41] <mado> erm ... kopete White_Pelican
[14:41] <White_Pelican> ok mado what is the issue exactly?
[14:41] <humbolt> how can I fix my desktop icon mess in kde4?
[14:42] <humbolt> this is by far the most annoying "feature" in kde4!
[14:43] <mado> White_Pelican, ... all i know is the following ...
[14:45] <mado> she sent me a webcam-chat-invitation ... you can do that with msn under windows or kopete under linux ... well ... she sent me one but i couldn't see the invitation and accept or decline it
[14:46] <mado> White_Pelican, -> she sent me a webcam-chat-invitation ... you can do that with msn under windows or kopete under linux ... well ... she sent me one but i couldn't see the invitation and accept or decline it
[14:46] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[14:46] <mado> White_Pelican, i thought ... "it seems kopete-kde4 doesn't work with webcams at the moment"
[14:47] <White_Pelican> no error messages?
[14:47] <White_Pelican> that's possible
[14:47] <mado> no ... haven't seen any
[14:47] <White_Pelican> I don't use kopete for kde4
[14:47] <White_Pelican> I only use games for kde 4
[14:48] <mado> well ... i installed kde4 with kubuntu 8.04 ... i thought i should try it out a bit earlier than the rest of my family
[14:48] <White_Pelican> I do not wish to offend anyone, but I do not feel kde 4 is ready for prime time
[14:50] <mado> White_Pelican, ... well ... you don't offend me ...
[14:50] <mado> i just use it because i thought i should try it :)
[14:51] <White_Pelican> some in here are sensitive about it :)
[14:52] <White_Pelican> plus I play kpoker all the time and that game is not to be converted as I understand it
[14:52] <mado> really? ... oh!
[14:53] <mado> kpoker? ... hmm ... maybe i should also check the game-section :)
[14:53] <mado> what kind of poker-game is it?
[14:53] <White_Pelican> the main problem I have with kde 4 is it's "look" and I'm told changing the themes is still broken
[14:53] <mado> i only heard of and played a bit "hold'em"
[14:53] <White_Pelican> just 5 card draw
[14:55] <Schuenemann> !glx
[14:55] <mado> ubottu, maybe you should update yourself :) ... ever heard of a.i. ?
[14:56] <White_Pelican> sorry I can't help on your kopete problem as I have no frame of reference
[14:56] <White_Pelican> lol
[14:56] <Schuenemann> hey do I know if my nvidia card is working correctly?
[14:56] <mado> what does that mean White_Pelican ?
[14:56] <mado> uuhuu ... wait ... i saw it now
[14:56] <White_Pelican> it means I have had the guts ot use kopete for kde4 :)
[14:56] <mado> i looked it up in my dictionary
[14:57] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: run glxinfo, see if it says dri is working.
[14:58] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: you may have to install mesa-utils
[14:58] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan, it says it's not installed
[14:58] <LeeJunFan> I haven't worked with nvidia much, maybe this will help...
[14:58] <LeeJunFan> !nvidia > Schuenemann
[14:59] <Schuenemann> yeah, I did what's written there. Thought that should install glx
[15:00] <mrxmike1> I GOT a Intel HDA soundcard on my mobo, that works fine.. but when i plug in my USB Headset (microshit livechat headset, i know it works..)
[15:00] <mrxmike1> and move it up as prefered in 'sound' of kconfig
[15:00] <mrxmike1> i cant get sound out of it :S
[15:01] <White_Pelican> er haven't had the guts to use kopete for kde 4 :)
[15:03] <tomahasamoot> does anyone know when Chrome for Linux will be out?
[15:03] <humbolt> how can I cleanup my desktop in kde4?
[15:04] <tomahasamoot> ... and if it'll have KDE intagration?  (I'm sick of Firefox's gnomish ways, and Konq. is a joke)
[15:04] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan, is 1400 a decent FPS?
[15:05] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: using what to measure?
[15:05] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan, glxgears
[15:06] <LeeJunFan> Schuenemann: depending on your card it might be. I get about 2100 with my ATI 9700 mobile.
[15:06] <Schuenemann> ugh, mine sucks
[15:08] <jagguli> hi all ... im not getting all the applications in kmenu in katapult ... any clue as to why
[15:08] <Schuenemann> jagguli, are they new?
[15:08] <jagguli> no .. default apps like adept
[15:10] <paolo> hi. which is the standard c lib's headers package ?
[15:10] <Schuenemann> jagguli, try closing katapult
[15:10] <paolo> build-essential ?
[15:10] <Schuenemann> paolo, yes
[15:10] <jagguli> Schuenemann: nope .. its been like this for some time
[15:11] <paolo> thnks
[15:11] <Schuenemann> jagguli, this happens when you install something new... closing and opening makes it reads new programs. It never happened to me for old ones
[15:11] <jagguli> its wierd .. it sed to work fine ..
[15:14] <jagguli> Schuenemann: YAY ...  rm ~/.kde/share/config/katapultrc worked
[15:14] <Schuenemann> nice to know
[15:15] <paolo> now, i have to pick up the build-essential.deb file and dpkg it into another system. where can i locate it ?
[15:17] <Schuenemann> paolo, /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:18] <paolo> Schuenemann: already seen, but i don't find anything in it
[15:18] <wiehan> I'm looking for a program (almost like typing break), which I can set to lock the screen no matter what for a desired amount of minutes, so that I can work - and stop fiddeling around, does nayone know of such a program?
[15:19] <Schuenemann> paolo, you have nothing there?
[15:19] <paolo> Schuenemann: i have some problem with apt-get, it doesn't work anymore
[15:19] <Schuenemann> paolo, why?
[15:20] <paolo> Schuenemann: really hard to explain, let me try to resolve by myself
[15:20] <paolo> :)
[15:20] <thor> hi
[15:20] <thor> i need to start my kubuntu box in runlevel 3
[15:20] <thor> how do i do that
[15:20] <wiehan> thor sudo telinit 3
[15:20] <thor> i knew that i have to modify inittab
[15:21] <thor> ok
[15:21] <thor> x
[15:22] <paolo> Schuenemann: solved, there was a pending corrupted package installed
[15:22] <Schuenemann> alright
[15:32] <dr_willis> Hmm i dident think ubuntu/kubuntu did much with the runlevels.
[15:32] <dr_willis> or with inittab
[15:35] <sercik> hi to all
[15:36] <dr_willis> !hi
[15:36] <sercik> i have a geforce 8200 chipset. someone is able to make it working?
[15:36] <Schuenemann> omg isn't there a nice front end for xmms2? One that looked like the good old xmms?
[15:36] <Schuenemann> !nvidia | sercik
[15:36] <dr_willis> sercik,  you mean your video card is a Nvidia 8200?
[15:37] <sercik> hi dr_willis
[15:37] <dr_willis> it proberly needs the nvidia-glx-new drivers..  the hardware-manager tool 'should' install them  for you.
[15:37] <sercik> no geforce 8300 is the chipset
[15:37] <dr_willis> but with some of the newer cards - things can be a little.. weird.
[15:37] <sercik> the motherboard is a ASUS m3n78-em
[15:39] <sercik> i'd like to make a mediacenter with linux
[15:39] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, can I still install old xmms?
[15:39] <sercik> i love linux mce that run over kubuntu 7.10
[15:40] <sercik> but for now i'm not able to see network interfaces and linuxmce tells that it can't install without network
[15:41] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  this is linux.. you can do anything you want.. now wether or not you have the 'skill' to install it from source is the question
[15:41] <dr_willis> I:)
[15:41] <Schuenemann> I hate to install from source
[15:41] <Schuenemann> it is rarely sucessful lol
[15:42] <dr_willis> there are several front ends to xmms2 i recall.. But ive never gotten xmm2 working, or really needed it.
[15:42] <dr_willis> I just use bmpx
[15:42] <dr_willis> or songbird
[15:42] <Schuenemann> these xmms2 front-ends are horrible. Isn't there that looks like xmms (or winamp) ?
[15:42] <paolo> well:i have installed kubuntu 8 (kde4) on PC2 and an old kubuntu 7.10 on PC1. PC2 has not network access and i have to dpkg build-essential on it. How can i get, with PC1 the right packages for PC2 (including the dependencies) so to dpkg them on PC2 ?
[15:42] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  no idea. I dont use them. I tend to set the player to 'play all/randomize' and let it alone
[15:52] <sercik> nomeone can help me to make ethernet working?
[15:56] <dr_willis> sercik,  you using wireless? or some other sort of networking? care to give detauls to the channel
[15:56] <sercik> nono
[15:57] <sercik> NVIDIA built-in Gigabit MAC with external Realtek PHY
[15:57] <sercik> this tells asus site
[15:58] <dr_willis> You proberly need to find what module thta NIC needs.  and if its even supported under linux.
[15:59] <sercik> hi dr_willis
[15:59] <sercik> i have found that: http://coyotesg.blogspot.com/2008/06/cracking-ubuntu-804-to-work-with-nvidia.html
[16:01] <dr_willis> Yep. that guide makes sence.. but theres dozens of things a new user would have to learn to follow that guide.
[16:01] <dr_willis> You might want to test out the alphas of  the next ubuntu.  It might have support for that cutting-edge-new hardware you got.
[16:01] <sercik> i'm not exactly a ner user
[16:02] <sercik> but the strange is that guide don't talk about ethernet
[16:03] <sercik> i'm sad i need to use mediaportal under windows xp
[16:03] <dr_willis> could be the ethernet is not a nvidia based chip. so that guide is only menting the nvidia chipset parts on that MB.
[16:03] <dr_willis> Different mb using that same nvidia chipset, may be using different network chips
[16:04] <sercik> maybe
[16:04] <LeeJunFan> sercik: running lspci from konsole may tell you what chipset it uses.
[16:04] <sercik> so probably i need to add realtek module?
[16:04] <LeeJunFan> once you know the chipset you'll know what module to use if one is available.
[16:05] <sercik> thanks LeeJunFan
[16:05] <dr_willis> realtek makes a lot of chipsets. :)
[16:05] <sercik> yes is true
[16:05] <sercik> i can try to search on motherboard pcb?
[16:06] <dr_willis> the motheboard manual/docs may tell also...
[16:06] <dr_willis> lspci - should give some good info also
[16:06] <sercik> on the motherboard manual seems that nvidia 8300 chipset makes all
[16:07] <sercik> sata, ata audio, network ...
[16:09] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, if I get the xmms debian package, does it work in any debian-based (like ubuntu) ?
[16:10] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  No idea. I dont go too far out of my way to mess with xmms any more.
[16:10] <dr_willis> Try it and see..  i guess. :)
[16:11] <Schuenemann> generally speaking I mean.
[16:11] <dr_willis> Gernally speaking.. its a bad idea to mixx in debian packages
[16:12] <Schuenemann> damn
[16:12] <LeeJunFan> xmms debian packages may have dependancies that aren't offered on ubuntu, you can try and see if it installs. Mixing debian/ubuntu can be tricky - but as long as it's an application and not libraries the risk is fairly low.
[16:13] <dr_willis> a quick google shows me that thers some xmms packages on the  Launchpad repositories
[16:13] <dr_willis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765609
[16:14] <LeeJunFan> yeah, if you enable universe repositories in sources.list then you can install xmms2 from ubuntu.
[16:15] <ghostcube> audacious is sme as xmms or ?
[16:15] <Schuenemann> LeeJunFan, actually I want xmms1 because I can't find any frontend I like for xmms2
[16:15] <LeeJunFan> ah
[16:15] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, I'll try it out. Not the latest, though
[16:16] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  given how rarely xmms is updated - (Thats one of the reasons for its removal from the repos) - does it matter. :)
[16:17] <Schuenemann> yeah, makes sense
[16:17] <LeeJunFan> I haven't used xmms since amarok
[16:17] <paolo> well:i have installed kubuntu 8 (kde4) on PC2 and an old kubuntu 7.10 on PC1. PC2 has not network access and i have to dpkg build-essential on it. How can i get, with PC1 the right packages for PC2 (including the dependencies) so to dpkg them on PC2 ?
[16:17] <Schuenemann> amarok is overkill when you just want to hear some songs
[16:18] <dr_willis> mpg123 -z *.mp3
[16:18] <dr_willis> :)
[16:19] <LeeJunFan> I normally use VLC for my default GUI media player - to play a song or two.
[16:21] <dr_willis> wine irfanfanview.exe
[16:21] <dr_willis> :)
[16:24] <ghostcube> audacious is better than xmms same themes and maybe someone wants to try songbird :) but its still beta  amarok is really overkill for only some songs
[16:24] <ghostcube> :D
[16:25] <WmBuRn> how to install somenthing from svn? [and how to download svn from net]?
[16:27] <LeeJunFan> WmBuRn: you use svn to download a source tree (usually a very unstable development snapshot) then compile the source
[16:27] <DreadKnight> WmBuRn: something like "svn co branch_address"
[16:27] <DreadKnight> in bash or whatever
[16:27] <DreadKnight> konsole
[16:28] <LeeJunFan> !svn
[16:29] <WmBuRn> cen kubuntu hadle .rpm files?
[16:29] <WmBuRn> can*
[16:29] <ghostcube> possibel with alien to get deb out of it
[16:29] <LeeJunFan> generally a bad idea.
[16:30] <ghostcube> yeah if no debian section in it bad as
[16:30] <LeeJunFan> you can use alien to convert an RPM to a deb, but there's no guarantee the dependancies or post/pre install scripts will run right from another system type.
[16:31] <WmBuRn> its fedora9 rpm
[16:31] <Schuenemann> WmBuRn, what are you trying to install?
[16:31] <WmBuRn> it is a game, alien arena 08,
[16:31] <Schuenemann> ubuntu has it
[16:31] <WmBuRn> on adept manager there is alien arena o7
[16:31] <LeeJunFan> At least you can always uninstall if it doesn't. Just never install libraries from another distro, it can really screw up a system.
[16:32] <LeeJunFan> !info alien-arena
[16:32] <Schuenemann> WmBuRn, there is 7.10 on getdeb
[16:32] <WmBuRn> 7.10 it newer
[16:32] <WmBuRn> oh :D thnx
[16:32] <Schuenemann> but not 8 as you want
[16:32] <ghostcube> WmBuRn: getdeb.net
[16:32] <ghostcube> katekories
[16:32] <ghostcube> games
[16:32] <ghostcube> download it
[16:32] <ghostcube> and dpkg-i it
[16:32] <Schuenemann> WmBuRn, is it like alien arena?
[16:33] <Schuenemann> oops, I mean open arena
[16:33] <ghostcube> Schuenemann: heh u was faster in typing rofl
[16:33] <WmBuRn> Schuenemann not like, it is alien arena :D
[16:33] <ghostcube> WmBuRn: whatever on getdeb.net games is all u need
[16:33] <WmBuRn> thnx
[16:33] <ghostcube> :D
[16:33] <Schuenemann> WmBuRn, I mean if it's like open arena?
[16:33] <WmBuRn> thnx ppl
[16:34] <WmBuRn> i didnt play open arena, but both usses quake 3 enige
[16:34] <ghostcube> Schuenemann: not much difference between  both
[16:35] <Schuenemann> that capture the flag mode is cool
[16:35] <dr_willis> fast paced gore fest!
[16:35] <dr_willis> :)
[16:35] <dr_willis> what onehas CTF?
[16:35] <Schuenemann> OA, but probably both do
[16:35] <dr_willis> Ive been playing TF2 - but its sort of gotten on my nerves lately.
[16:36] <ghostcube> still plays ET noquarter
[16:36] <Schuenemann> I see alien arena has some funky weapons
[16:36] <ghostcube> :D
[16:36] <WmBuRn> anyone know cool RPG? linux distro
[16:36] <dr_willis> Battlefield Heroes™ is a brand new Play 4 Free game from the people that brought you the multi-million selling Battlefield 1942™
[16:36] <dr_willis> Waiting for that to come out also.. :)
[16:37] <Schuenemann> for linux?
[16:37] <dr_willis> Proberly not.. but i dont game in linux. :P
[16:37] <Schuenemann> meh
[16:37] <Schuenemann> heh
[16:37] <dr_willis> Ive been playing FATE in wine.
[16:37] <dr_willis> does that count?
[16:37] <ghostcube> i ordered x³ for linux sill not available
[16:37] <ghostcube> i orderd in 2007
[16:37] <dr_willis> Heh.
[16:37] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, don't know that one... I usually don't play these newer games
[16:37] <dr_willis> I think i saw Steam had all the X com games in a bundle  the other day
[16:38] <Schuenemann> you mean selling them all at once?
[16:38] <dr_willis> Fate - sort of a remake of Diablo.  Not too bad. one of those  $20 'casual' gameer kind of games.
[16:38] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  yep
[16:38] <Schuenemann> for how much?
[16:38] <dr_willis> that was last wek. or 2 weeks ago. they had them all for like 20 or $30 I think
[16:38] <Schuenemann> hmm
[16:38] <dr_willis> but the sales over. :)
[16:39] <Schuenemann> (alien arena's graphics seem to be better than open arena's)
[16:39] <dr_willis> Cool.. steams web site advertising a Multiplayer Darwinia!
[16:40] <dr_willis> Darwinia had a Native Linux port.
[16:40] <Schuenemann> it's nice when they do it
[16:41] <dr_willis> too bad the game got pirated to death
[16:41] <Schuenemann> due to that?
[16:41] <dr_willis> I bought it for like $20 when i did find it in the stores.. then found it in a bargin bin for like $5 the next week.. :)
[16:42] <dr_willis> due to there being no copy protetion, and the pirates  liking the game.. but not shelling out $$ :)
[16:42] <Schuenemann> pirating a $5 game... those people deserve to die
[16:43] <dr_willis> online it was still selling for like $20 on steam.. :) now its proberly $5-10
[16:43] <dr_willis> Its worth getting if you find it on sale.
[16:43] <dr_willis> http://store.steampowered.com/sub/964/ X com complete pack = $15
[16:43] <dr_willis> Only the older xcom games however
[16:44] <Schuenemann> what is xcom?
[16:44] <Schuenemann> (darwinia is $20)
[16:44] <dr_willis> an old  'tatical combat' type game. sort of the predecasor to games like  the tom clancy ghost recon  type 'hardcore tatics/planning' games
[16:45] <dr_willis> heh they got Darwinia for $20 and 'Darwinia/Uplink Pack for $20'
[16:53] <patrick> hum...
[16:54] <reno77> join #ubuntu-sg
[16:56] <giorgio_> ciao a tutti
[16:57] <giorgio_> sapete dove reperire driver Nvidia
[16:57] <ghostcube> !ubuntu-it
[16:57] <ghostcube> !it
[16:57] <ghostcube> heh
[17:13] <Schuenemann> what could be a reason for my numeric pad not working?
[17:14] <Schuenemann> omg, it's reversed. It's working with the lights off
[17:16] <penguiniator> It likes it better that way ;^}
[17:17] <Schuenemann> penguiniator, ...
[17:17] <DJG9282> Maybe someone can help me. I get an Adept updater error when installing packages it says "Could not commit changes."  I looked up help for this issue and it asked me to do from Konsole "sudo apt-get install -f" and i get an error that says "1 not fully installed or removed." It then says it is going to try to set up a missing kernal and then responds with "Internal Error: Could not find image
[17:17] <DJG9282> (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic)" I did remove this kernal manually as it removed my sound for the system somehow. Any ideas?
[17:17] <penguiniator> sorry... couldn't resist
[17:19] <mac> hola necesito ayuda para agregar programas
[17:19] <photonbolt> I am trying to resize a partition using QTParted but I receive the error message "Cannot resize a partition if the disk device is busy". How do I solve this?
[17:20] <Schuenemann> !es | mac
[17:20] <mac> vale gracias
[17:20] <Schuenemann> photonbolt, I had something similar. I gave up and used cfdisk
[17:21] <Schuenemann> photonbolt, oh, you're resizing your actual partition?
[17:21] <photonbolt> Schuenemann, yep.
[17:21] <Schuenemann> I don't know if that's possible... perhaps you'll have to use a livecd
[17:21] <photonbolt> I am using a livecd
[17:22] <photonbolt> And I get that error message
[17:22] <Schuenemann> is the disk mounted?
[17:23] <photonbolt> I don't think so.
[17:23] <photonbolt> Ah
[17:24] <photonbolt> If I try and mount it I get an error
[17:24] <photonbolt> Error is "hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999"
[17:25] <photonbolt> Maybe if I resolve that error it'll work?
[17:27] <photonbolt> Schuenemann, any idea how I can solve that?
[17:30] <kirill> Прива всем! у меня вопрос- стоит ли у кого нить видюха Intel X3100
[17:31] <photonbolt> Anyone know how I can stop a disk being busy so I can resize a partition?
[17:32] <kirill>  Прива всем! у меня вопрос- стоит ли у кого нить видюха Intel X3100
[17:35] <bazhang> !ru | kirill
[17:40] <Walzmyn> !windows
[17:43] <kirill> А тут все молчат?
[17:44] <mr_clark> Hi guys. Trying to install 8.04 on a Gigabyte GA-M51GM-S2G motherboard. The mb has onboard RAID which I've configured my 2 250GB drives in a RAID1 array. But when I go to do the install, I see two separate SDA/SDB drives. Any idea why?
[17:45] <starenka> !ru | kirill
[17:46] <starenka> hullo. how can i concat  command output and string into single bash variable? f.e $foo = cat /etc/exports + '\nbar'
[17:47] <artur_> hi, what's the name of the file where i have write repositories 'url'? i forgot it...
[17:48] <hungrymouse> If I enlarge a partition, will it damage data on that partition?
[17:48] <starenka> '/etc/apt/sources.list'
[17:48] <artur_> starenka: thank's v much buddy!
[17:49] <Reed_Solomon> hungrymouse: unlikely, though it depends on the method
[17:49] <starenka> artur_: hope i stil remember
[17:49] <starenka> artur_:  :))
[17:49] <kirill> а по русски не кто не общаеться?
[17:50] <starenka> !ru | kirill
[17:50] <artur_> starenka: you were right dude! thank's
[17:50] <starenka> np
[17:51] <hungrymouse> Reed_Solomon, thanks.
[17:53] <penguiniator> starenka: something like: foo=$(cat /etc/exports;printf "\n%s" bar)
[17:55] <starenka> penguiniator: tried that before but not working out... see $ip=$(1ynx --source http://www.starenka.net/ip/?out=ip_only;echo -n ':8000')
[17:56] <starenka> fok. i used 1ynx istead of lynx :))))
[18:02] <penguiniator> starenka: yes, I see... \n getting stripped
[18:02] <starenka> nvrmnd it's ok now.. thanx for help
[18:07] <Kubunto> h
[18:14] <Kubunto_> hay vale otro mmg
[18:14] <frybye> Hi I have a 4GB sdhc card that could not be correctly unmounted and removed from an eeepc701 because of a defective card reader; now when I do  sudo fdisk -l I get a "Unable to read /dev/sdb"
[18:15] <frybye> when I do sudo dosfsck /dev/sdb1 - I get
[18:15] <frybye> dosfsck 2.11, 12 Mar 2005, FAT32, LFN
[18:15] <frybye> Read 512 bytes at 0:Input/output error
[18:15] <frybye> any suggestions of how to proceed...
[18:16] <frybye> at the moment I am using a different kubuntu pc with a good usb/sdhc card reader... that works with other cards etc..
[18:17] <frybye> is there a netsplit at the moment or ...?
[18:19] <Ralesk> hi all -- do you know of a PPA repo for hardy containing newer kernels?  I don't want to switch to intrepid (I don't like KDE4), and I'd like to avoid compiling kernels :)
[18:30] <tom`> how do i edit sudoers so i dont get prompted for my password
[18:30] <jussi01> tom`: err, why would you want to do that?
[18:31] <crimsun> because tom` likes weeping and gnashing of teeth.
[18:31] <tom`> because im setting this laptop up for a friend and thats what he wants
[18:31]  * jussi01 hugs crimsun
[18:31] <dr_willis> thats documented on sevarl sites.. i alwyas have to google for it. :)
[18:31] <jussi01> tom`: tell your friend its serously not a good idea...
[18:32] <crimsun> that essentially allows your friend to unconditionally run with elevated privileges.
[18:32] <crimsun> do I hear a rootkit?  virus?
[18:32] <KhaoticMind> there is a line on /etc/sudoers that says: uncomment this line to to not be asked for a password ;)
[18:32] <KhaoticMind> i keep an "bash" section opend all the time :P
[18:32] <crimsun> in any case, yes, it's well documented.
[18:33] <KhaoticMind> rooted bash that is
[18:33] <tom`> KhaoticMind: can i just edit sudoers with nano (it has a big warning about using visudoers)
[18:33] <KhaoticMind> no you gotme :) i always use vi so i'm not sure...
[18:33] <tom`> or how do you save a file after editing it in vi?
[18:34] <dr_willis> esc :wq
[18:34] <KhaoticMind> to save the file you can press "esc" to enter ex mode, and type ":x"+enter
[18:34] <dr_willis> see the 'vimtutor' program for a vim tutor. :)
[18:34] <jussi01> tom`: This is unsupported and not recomended.
[18:35] <tom`> thx KhaoticMind
[18:35] <KhaoticMind> np
[18:43] <oddysey> hey there everyone
[18:48] <coreymon77> oddysey: hi
[18:48] <Guest27256> hello
[18:53] <natalia> do any of you guys have wireless working with WPA2 on Hardy?
[18:53] <crimsun> yes
[18:54] <natalia> crimsun: ok perhaps you can help.  I have my card installed and all is working, it detects the wireless networks but I can not connect to mine, it just keep saying connection failed
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[18:54] <natalia> I know my WPA key is correct
[18:54] <ActionParsnip> ive a question
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> I run fluxbox ontop of kde, i run kmix to handle sound volume but it will only be 100% or muted
[18:55] <natalia> crimsun: how did you get yours setup?
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> I cannot slide the bar up and down
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> I use an nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) which works fine
[18:55] <crimsun> natalia: I just typed in the key when prompted.
[18:55] <ActionParsnip> I just can't slide the volume up / down
[18:56] <natalia> crimsun: and its WPA2 and not WPA?
[18:56] <ActionParsnip> can anyone make a suggestion please?
[18:56] <crimsun> natalia: correct.
[18:56] <natalia> Do you use Wireless Assistant?
[18:58] <natalia> crimsun: Did you have to install wpa_supplicant?
[18:59] <crimsun> natalia: it's already installed by default.
[19:00] <natalia> crimsun: it was not there for me........ did you have to do any setup or you just open wireless assistant 0.5,7 and it worked out of the box?
[19:02] <crimsun> natalia: it worked out of the box in 8.04 for me.
[19:02] <ActionParsnip> what volume app do you guys use. I'll try another if anoyone can name any
[19:02] <natalia> crimsun: ok
[19:03] <natalia> Does anyone have any idea why the connection will just show failed everytime?  Is there a log file I can check or some way to find out why the connection to the access point does not work?
[19:03] <ActionParsnip> natalia: dmesg
[19:03] <natalia> ActionParsnip: that shows me wlan0: link is not ready
[19:04] <ActionParsnip> natalia: have you installed the drivers for it?
[19:05] <natalia> ActionParsnip: yes, and Wireless Assistanc 0.5.7 is picking up all the wireless access points around me
[19:05] <natalia> including mine which I am trying to connect to
[19:05] <Schuenemann> how do I get rid of this window that tells me I'm using proprietary drivers every time I log in?
[19:05] <natalia> ActionParsnip: I can also see the light blinking on the wireless adapter
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> natalia: ok then use knetwork-manager to connect
[19:06] <ActionParsnip> natalia: or manually edit /etc/network/interfaces to connect to that point
[19:07] <natalia> ActionParsnip: to your last comment, when you say "to that point" i dont follow what you meant
[19:07] <ActionParsnip> you are connecting to a wireless access point
[19:08] <natalia> ActionParsnip: I dont see wlan0 in that file
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> natalia: is your wireless known as wlan0?
[19:08] <natalia> ActionParsnip: yes thats correct
[19:09] <ActionParsnip> natalia: ok you could try renaming that file then rebooting. This will make your settings stock and you can connect to your wireless point using knetwork-manager
[19:10] <natalia> so rename interfaces to someething line interfaces.bak
[19:10] <natalia> I understand you correctly?
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> yes
[19:10] <ActionParsnip> you'll need sudo mv
[19:10] <natalia> ok be back shortly ( I hope ) hehe
[19:10] <Schuenemann> how do I get rid of this window that tells me I'm using proprietary drivers every time I log in?
[19:10] <natalia> ActionParsnip: ok going to reboot now
[19:15] <natalia> hrm, so it didnt recreate the interfaces file
[19:17] <Darkrift2> anyone know what i have to do to make kmail stay in tray when closed? it used to do this before i reinstalled and upgraded to 8.04
[19:18] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: if its not in the settings, you can download Alltray, which allows you to minimize any app to the tray
[19:19] <Reed_Solomon> appearance-system tray
[19:19] <Reed_Solomon> in configure
[19:19] <Darkrift2> nice, thx
[19:19] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: i thought you were going to go with Thunderbird...
[19:20] <jerome_> le salon français s'il vous plait
[19:20] <Darkrift2> i tried it and didnt like it
[19:20] <Darkrift2> stuck with kmail
[19:20] <ign0ramus> !fr | jerome
[19:20] <starenka> !fr | jerome_
[19:20] <starenka> lol
[19:21] <ign0ramus> starenka: great minds, and al that
[19:21] <ign0ramus> *all that
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Reed_Solomon: do i know you from fark/bannination?
[19:21] <Reed_Solomon> ign0ramus yah its me
[19:21] <ign0ramus> Reed_Solomon: heh, small e-world
[19:23] <paolo> hi, how can i load the ndiswrapper module ? i tried loadndisdriver command, but the driver doesn't appear in lsmod list
[19:23] <ign0ramus> !ndiswrapper
[19:24] <ign0ramus> paolo: you did modprobe it first, right
[19:24] <paolo> ign0ramus: uhmmm i did it after
[19:24] <paolo> let's try again
[19:25] <paolo> ign0ramus: do you mean modprobe ndiswrapper; loadndisdriver ?
[19:26] <ign0ramus> paolo: yeah, generally you want to modprobe a module first if you've just installed it
[19:27] <paolo> ign0ramus: Module ndiswrapper not found
[19:27] <ign0ramus> paolo: i've never tried ndiswrapper, but i am reading the documentation... hang on
[19:28] <paolo> ign0ramus: thnks
[19:28] <ign0ramus> paolo: what is the output of * ndiswrapper -l * ?
[19:29] <paolo> ign0ramus: the output is correct (it shows me the installed drivers)
[19:29] <ign0ramus> paolo: ok good, hang on
[19:29] <ign0ramus> paolo: issue * sudo depmod -a *
[19:30] <paolo> ign0ramus: already tried
[19:30] <ign0ramus> then * sudo modprobe ndiswrapper * ?
[19:30] <paolo> already tried
[19:30] <ign0ramus> paolo: ok, check for errors: * tail /var/log/messages *
[19:31] <paolo> no errors ign0ramus
[19:32] <ign0ramus> paolo: did you add the entry "ndiswrapper" and the end of /etc/modules?
[19:32] <paolo> ?
[19:33] <paolo> ign0ramus: i don't want to load it at boot time
[19:33] <ign0ramus> paolo: oh, ok
[19:33] <ign0ramus> paolo: you've disabled the included free drivers? * echo -e "blacklist bcm43xx\nblacklist b43\nblacklist b43legacy\nblacklist ssb" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist *
[19:33] <ign0ramus> paolo:
[19:34] <ign0ramus> paolo: they conflict w/ ndiswrapper
[19:35] <paolo> ign0ramus: one little tip: don't give sudo commands to people, so easily
[19:35] <paolo> anyway, let's check
[19:35] <ign0ramus> paolo: you need sudo to blacklist the modules.
[19:36] <ActionParsnip> hey all, im looking to install kde4 and rip out kde3. is there a sweet factoid as to how to do this please
[19:36] <ign0ramus> ActionParsnip: !kde4
[19:36] <paolo> ign0ramus: i see but the command you just wrote changes content of config files
[19:36] <ign0ramus> !kde4 | ActionParsnip
[19:36] <besitzer> anybody female wants to talk?
[19:36] <starenka> no
[19:36] <ign0ramus> paolo: this is straight from the ubuntu documentation
[19:37] <paolo> i see ign0ramus, but it's always a delicate command
[19:37] <paolo> :) anyway, thnks
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> I know how to get it, i just wanna rip al the kde3 stuff out. I checked out !purekde and theres a tonne of stuff missing from my system that the command borks on
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> as i have ripped a lot of kde stuff out to skim my install down
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> and it doesnt continue
[19:38] <Sixzero> Does anyone here use KBFX?
[19:38] <besitzer> how can i make my rubbishcontainer bring back, and the facts inthere delete???
[19:38] <ActionParsnip> Sixzero: i used to
[19:39] <Sixzero> ActionParsnip: Did you have trouble with it crashing every time you tried to apply a theme and close the window, or do you know anything about it?
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> Sixzero: not that i know of, i just added it as an applet and off it went
[19:40] <ign0ramus> besitzer: you mean trash?  Right click panel > add applet > select Trash
[19:40] <besitzer> how can i make my rubbishcontainer bring back, and the facts inthere delete???
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Sixzero: does it work with the default theme?
[19:41] <ign0ramus> besitzer: repeating the question in the same way that was not fully understood the first time isn't helping
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> !trash | besitzer
[19:41] <Sixzero> ActionParsnip: Nope.  No matter what I do, even if I don't apply a theme, if I close it, it crashes and never applies a theme.  I've got this problem on both my comps, and the backtrace seems to be very similar on both.
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> Sixzero: anything in dmesg
[19:42] <besitzer> hope for thx
[19:42] <Sixzero> ActionParsnip: How would I find out in dmesg?
[19:42] <Sixzero> ActionParsnip: I'm a lil new to this still.
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> Sixzero: run dmesg in yuor favourite terminal
[19:42] <ign0ramus> dmesg -v | less   should suffice
[19:42] <paolo> ign0ramus: well, i've just blacklisted the drivers
[19:43] <ign0ramus> dmesg throws a *lot* of info
[19:43] <ign0ramus> paolo: ok, try with the * sudo depmod -a * again
[19:43] <paolo> ign0ramus: now i try to reboot
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> dmesg | grep kbfx
[19:43] <ign0ramus> paolo:
[19:43] <ign0ramus> paolo: ok, i'll be here
[19:43] <paolo> (tried, but it didn't work)
[19:43] <paolo> (so i reboot)
[19:43] <ign0ramus> paolo: restarting x should work
[19:45] <paolo> ign0ramus: done, but i can't load ndiswrapper
[19:45] <ign0ramus> paolo: ok, lemme see...
[19:45] <Sixzero> ActionParsnip: do you want me to run dmesg | grep kbfx ?
[19:46] <ign0ramus> paolo: do you use Knetworkmanager?
[19:46] <paolo> ign0ramus:
[19:46] <paolo> yes
[19:46] <ign0ramus> paolo: is there any reference to wireless in there?
[19:47] <paolo> ign0ramus: i have to see the module in the modules list, firstly, but i don't see it
[19:48] <ign0ramus> paolo: you may want to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#trouble
[19:48] <Sixzero> !kbfx
[19:48] <paolo> ign0ramus: ok, thnks for your support
[19:49] <jack> q
[19:49] <Sixzero> dmesg isnt showing anything when input as dmesg | grep kbfx or kbfxconfigapp
[19:51] <sigma_za> anyone home?
[19:51] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: did you know that kbfx hasn't been updated in almost 2 years?
[19:51] <Sixzero> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46690/plain/
[19:51] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: at least on its Sourceforge page...
[19:52] <Sixzero> I started realizing that when I found that their main page no longer exists.
[19:52] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: i know you like it, but i'm sure there's something similar that isn't deprecated
[19:52] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: what did you use it for- just a replacement for Kmenu?
[19:53] <sigma_za> i told the nvidia driver to use a seperate x screen for my tv out. but how do i get kdm to run on this new xscreen?
[19:54] <Sixzero> ign0ramus: I never got it running, but yeah, a replacement for Kmenu is what I was going for.  I was trying to do a theme from kde-look.org that was really nice, but I'm not gonna die without it or anything.  I'm just tryin' to find new ways to pimp out my desktop.
[19:54] <sigma_za> ubuntu
[19:55] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: tons of good stuff here: http://www.kde-apps.org/?xcontentmode=37&PHPSESSID=8a9b31ff1cb79971e213681bd211fa6b
[19:57] <ign0ramus> sigma_za: did you read this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOutNewbieEdition
[19:58] <ign0ramus> ...and i'm talking to no one again...
[20:00] <Sixzero> I'm still here, just skimming through that page you showed me.
[20:01] <Sixzero> I take it these are individual apps?
[20:01] <walzmyn> Is there an application in linux-world that will help you recover data on an accidently formated drive?
[20:01] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: yep.  are you on kde3 or 4?
[20:02] <ign0ramus> walzmyn: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=379538
[20:02] <Firestorm> Hey, if anybody is available to help a sec, I got a sound issue... again.
[20:02] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: if you're on kde4, you should check out raptor- it looks awesome: http://www.raptor-menu.org/download
[20:02] <ign0ramus> !ask | Firestorm
[20:03] <Sixzero> What can we do for ya, Firestorm?
[20:03] <Firestorm> All right, I'm on Kubuntu, KDE 3.5 and the sound was working fine the other day, then I logged in and now the KMix has the mute icon over it, nothing has anyyyy sound.
[20:04] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: right click icon, select master channel
[20:04] <luigibellanova> hei guys how can i install firefox3 on terminal....thanks
[20:04] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: is it set properly?
[20:04] <Sixzero> sudo apt-get firefox
[20:04] <Firestorm> There's no option to set master channel that I can see
[20:05] <luigibellanova> thanks sixzero
[20:05] <ign0ramus> *sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0"
[20:05] <jussi01> Sixzero: you really ought to remember "install"
[20:05] <luigibellanova> ah ok
[20:05] <Sixzero> luigibellanova: sudo apt-get install firefox
[20:05] <ign0ramus> you want the "-3.0"
[20:05] <Sixzero> luigibellanova: sorry, got ahead of meself
[20:05] <luigibellanova> yea
[20:05] <ign0ramus> "firefox" is just the meta-package
[20:05] <jussi01> ign0ramus: iirc, firefox defaults to 3
[20:06] <ign0ramus> jussi01: maybe, but they are listed as two separate packages.  the official name is 'firefox-3.0'.  'firefox' package is a meta package
[20:06] <KhaoticMind> "firefox" depends on firefox03
[20:06] <KhaoticMind> firefox-3.0
[20:06] <KhaoticMind> so, installing firefox you get firefox-3.0 :)
[20:07] <ign0ramus> KhaoticMind: ok, either way, then! :)
[20:07] <ign0ramus> KhaoticMind: i have 3.0 installed, but not the 'firefox' package...
[20:07] <birnisson> hi, I have a pdf that is print protected I guess... is there any way to print it nevertheless?
[20:07] <Sixzero> !fight
[20:07] <ign0ramus> birnisson: screenshot?
[20:08] <luigibellanova> ok perfect.....i wrote "sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0" and it was ok......
[20:08] <Sixzero> Firestorm: Did you figure out your trouble yet?
[20:08] <KhaoticMind> ign0ramus: maybe ubuntu, by default, installs firefox-3.0 instead of firefox
[20:09] <Firestorm> No sir, there's no mixer selected either, no right click options for master channel at all
[20:09] <birnisson> ign0ramus: well it's many pages... so that's not really feasible
[20:09] <birnisson> is there no pdf reader without drm?
[20:09] <birnisson> or even a patch to kpdf?
[20:09] <jussi01> birnisson: would that not be illegal?
[20:10] <Sixzero> Firestorm: can you go to kmenu, system settings, sound system for me?
[20:10] <ign0ramus> birnisson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31679&page=2
[20:10] <Firestorm> Ok, I'm in it
[20:10] <ign0ramus> birnisson: do you have a link to the pdf?
[20:11] <Sixzero> Firestorm: make sure that the "Enable Sound System" is checked and then click the test button and tell me what it does.
[20:11] <Firestorm> There's no response via the speakers, strange that it was working fine though
[20:12] <Sixzero> Firestorm: have you changed any of the "sound system" settings in an effort to fix it yet?
[20:12] <birnisson> ign0ramus: tnx, let me try that solution, one second
[20:12] <Firestorm> I did, but I discarded them in case you were going to recommend me something
[20:13] <Sixzero> Firestorm: If they worked fine before, then don't go after them just yet.
[20:13] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: what settings do you have in the "hardware" tab?
[20:14] <Firestorm> All right, if it helps any, my audio card is recognized as an nVidia hi definition, and it's on board unfortunately
[20:14] <Sixzero> ign0ramus: for my wound, or his?
[20:14] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: oh woops :)
[20:14] <Sixzero> ign0ramus: err, sound
[20:14] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: what settings do you have listed in the "hardware" tab?
[20:14] <Firestorm> Autodetect, 16 bit quality, everything else is unticked
[20:15] <Sixzero> Firestorm: and can you tell us what kind of motherboard you're using?
[20:15] <Firestorm> Well, all I know is that it's AMD/nVidia based
[20:15] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: can you run * alsamixer * in terminal?
[20:16] <Firestorm> That doesn't work if it's a command, I'm still adjusting to the Linux console, sorry
[20:16] <Sixzero> He might have to install it from synaptic first, my install didn't come with it
[20:17] <ign0ramus> * sudo apt-get install alsamixer *
[20:17] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: doesn't appear to be a package.  i think it comes with alsa-base
[20:17] <david__> hello
[20:18] <Firestorm> Reading package lists... Done
[20:18] <Firestorm> Building dependency tree
[20:18] <Firestorm> Reading state information... Done
[20:18] <Firestorm> E: Couldn't find package alsamixer
[20:18] <Firestorm> I didn't mean to paste all that, geez
[20:18] <Sixzero> ign0ramus: you're right, I was thinking of the gui
[20:18] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: does * aplay - l * output anything useful?
[20:19] <Firestorm> Let's see
[20:19] <Firestorm> cannot find card '0'
[20:19] <Sixzero> sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
[20:19] <david__> I am trying to send a link in firefox using my evolution mail but I don't know how to access it via the launch Application box does anyone know what I do?
[20:19] <Firestorm> Sixzero, it says alsa is already at the newest
[20:21] <ign0ramus> david__: do you have firefox-gnome-support installed?
[20:21] <david__> ign0ramus: I don't know if I do
[20:22] <Sixzero> Firestorm: can you open kmenu, multimedia, kmix for me?
[20:22] <ign0ramus> david__: * sudo apt-get install firefox-gnome-support *
[20:22] <david__> ign0ramus: what will that do?
[20:22] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: and you have packages 'alsa-base' and 'alsa-oss' installed?
[20:22] <ign0ramus> david__: install that package
[20:23] <Firestorm> sudo apt-get alsa-oss?
[20:23] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: yup
[20:23] <ign0ramus> *apt-get install
[20:23] <Sixzero> jussi, iggy did it too!
[20:24] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: i'm so used to seeing the same questions, that i don't even read them half the time...
[20:24] <Firestorm> Yep, it's installed
[20:24] <walzmyn> I'm trying to use foremost to recover a damaged drive - the drive shows up in gparted as unallocated space - how do i get it so foremost can use it?
[20:24] <ign0ramus> !foremost
[20:25] <Sixzero> ign0ramus: I'm just shakin' yer leg.
[20:25] <walzmyn> ign0ramus, thanks for the link a min ago
[20:25] <ign0ramus> walzmyn: honestly, no idea.  i just know that's a good tool for the job.  you may want to try *man foremost*
[20:25] <walzmyn> ign0ramus, I need to be able to mount this partition, but i don't want to do anything else to it and screw it up any farther than it already is
[20:26] <walzmyn> k
[20:26] <david__> ign0ramus: I basically just need to find the right evolution file so I can tell firefox how to access evolution to send links
[20:27] <mrunagi_> does anyone know anything about bluetooth DUN in kubuntu?
[20:27] <ign0ramus> david__: that's what gnome support does- it allows for helper apps in firefox - hopefully you will now see evolution listed in the menu
[20:27] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: just for s&g's, does * sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart * do anything for your sound?
[20:27]  * Danu fui a Coger xD Ausente por ahora.
[20:28] <Firestorm> It works, but didn't alleviate the problem, I'm about to give up lol
[20:28] <david__> ok I'll try it
[20:29] <Sixzero> Firestorm: well, lets review for a second before we lose hope.  How long ago did you install linux on this comp?
[20:30] <david__> ign0ramus: thanks alot that did it :-)
[20:30] <ign0ramus> david__:  you're welcome!
[20:30] <david__> your alot of help
[20:30] <ign0ramus> david__: only when i know the solution! xD
[20:31] <david__> true
[20:31] <david__> :-)
[20:31] <david__> take care
[20:31] <ign0ramus> you too
[20:31] <Firestorm> I installed Kubuntu about a month ago, this happened after I tried to fix my wireless (which failed)
[20:31] <ign0ramus> Sixzero: i'm thinking his module isn't even loaded... i think we need to start there
[20:32] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: does your sound card show up when you issue the command * lspci * ?
[20:32] <Firestorm> Yes
[20:32] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ok, does it show up when you  issue * lsmod * ?
[20:32] <ign0ramus> ...should be a pretty long list, but it should be in there
[20:33] <Firestorm> I see nVidia but I don't see anything about audio
[20:33] <Firestorm> This is why I hate laptops
[20:33] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: it's usuall "snd-______"  do you see anything like that in lsmod?
[20:34] <ign0ramus> *usually "snd"
[20:34] <Firestorm> I don't see it, no
[20:35] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ok, module is not loaded.
[20:35] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: you're not going to get any sound that way
[20:35] <walzmyn> If i take this damaged partition and format it - it is just going to change the file table, not delete the information inside right?
[20:35] <ign0ramus> walzmyn: you will delete the data
[20:35] <Firestorm> sdhci wouldn't be it, right?
[20:35] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: i think that's your hdd
[20:36] <Firestorm> Ok, the sound isn't loaded then, there's nothing else close
[20:36] <walzmyn> ign0ramus, then how are you supposed to recoer the data if you can't mount the partition without destroying the data?
[20:37] <Firestorm> now see, it runs fine off the live install, GNOME as well, it has to be a recent update or something
[20:37] <ign0ramus> walzmyn: because 'formatting' a partition is different than 'mounting' a partition.
[20:38] <Firestorm> "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[20:38] <ign0ramus> walzmyn: formatting is clearing off all data, mounting is like loading the drive
[20:38] <mrunagi_> !dun
[20:38] <mrunagi_> !bluetooth
[20:38] <walzmyn> ign0ramus, i can't mount it because it's being viewed as an unallocated chunk of the drive
[20:39] <Sixzero> Firestorm: you only had sound on the live cd, but not after you installed?
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: please issue * lshw * and look under 'multimedia'
[20:40] <Firestorm> It worked perfect after install, and ok
[20:40] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: so what did you change?
[20:41] <Firestorm> I messed with madwifi trying to get my Atheros card working, removed it all.  Then I updated the sytem as reccomended and it hasn't worked right since
[20:42] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: what kernel are you running?
[20:42] <Firestorm> As in version?
[20:42] <ign0ramus> as in kernel.  * uname -r *
[20:42] <ign0ramus> yeah, version
[20:42] <Firestorm> 2.6.24-19-rt
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: do you have any other kernels installed?
[20:43] <Firestorm> No, I stuck to KDE/Kubuntu stuff only
[20:43] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: you have have luck with 2.6.24.21-generic
[20:43] <Firestorm> I hope I don't have to go back to GNOME
[20:44] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: there's only the Linux kernel- has nothing to do with kde or gnome
[20:44] <Firestorm> lshw worked, what was I looking for?
[20:44] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: under 'multimedia'... do you have a sound entry?
[20:45] <Firestorm> Yes
[20:45] <Firestorm> MCP67 High Def Audio
[20:45] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: can you pastebin the entire sound entry?
[20:45] <ign0ramus> !pastebin
[20:46] <Firestorm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/46701/
[20:48] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: *asoundconf list* - please post output
[20:48] <Firestorm> Nothing happened, just started a new line
[20:49] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: crap- if i knew the name of the module for your sound card, we could probably load it.  let me look a little more.
[20:50] <Firestorm> All right, I can tell you my model laptop if that could possibly help, I don't know the exact chipsets and such
[20:50] <Sixzero> Firestorm: what kind of lappy do you have?
[20:50] <Firestorm> Compaq F761US
[20:50]  * Danu is back.
[20:51] <jkjohans> any good nvidia drivers???
[20:51] <jkjohans> havent found any yet :-(
[20:52] <favro> !nvidia
[20:53] <jkjohans> thnx
[20:54] <mrunagi_> sigh i use to know how to set up a phone as a modem using bluetooth
[20:55] <birnisson> ign0ramus: worked liked a charm, tnx again
[20:55] <Firestorm> Man I like Linux, I'd hate to have to quit using it due to no sound and no wireless
[20:56] <ign0ramus> birnisson: what did i do, i forget! :)
[20:57] <ign0ramus> firestorm: just for the heck of it, try installing "linux-headers-2.6.24-21-generic".  you can always uninstall later if you don't want it
[20:57] <birnisson> ign0ramus: the print pdf thing =)
[20:57] <ign0ramus> birnisson: oh yeah- what exactly did you do?
[20:58] <ign0ramus> converted it to .ps then back to .pdf?
[20:58] <Firestorm> sudo apt-get install right
[20:58] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: wait, not that
[20:58] <ign0ramus> "linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic"
[20:58] <ign0ramus> sorry
[20:58] <ign0ramus> and yes * sudo apt-get install *
[20:59] <birnisson> ign0ramus: yep to ps with xpdf and then back with ps2pdf
[20:59] <Firestorm> Couldn't find the package lol
[20:59] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: * sudo apt-get update
[20:59] <ign0ramus> birnisson: nice.  glad it worked for you!
[20:59] <ign0ramus> birnisson: kind of a pain, but it works :)
[21:00] <Firestorm> It ran, installed really fast if that's what it was supposed to do
[21:00] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: you didn't install anything, you just updated your sources
[21:00] <ign0ramus> then try * sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic *
[21:01] <Firestorm> Yep, same error that it couldn't find the package
[21:01] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: do you have all your repos activated?
[21:01] <coromatic> i got aproblem wis kdesktop lock, i can't unlock it. Only when i start a new session and kill the process. Any suggestions?
[21:01] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: open up Adept Manager
[21:02] <Firestorm> It's open
[21:02] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ok, top left.. .Adept > Manage Repositories
[21:03] <ign0ramus> Firestorm:  make sure all are checked in the first tab
[21:03] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: and the second, and the third
[21:04] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: then click "Fetch Updated"
[21:04] <ign0ramus> *updates
[21:04] <Firestorm> It updated
[21:05] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: now in the search box copy and paste this: linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic
[21:05] <ign0ramus> did it show up now?
[21:05] <Firestorm> Nothing, again
[21:05] <Firestorm> Maybe I need to reinstall
[21:05] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: not yet
[21:06] <ign0ramus> just search for "linux-image"... what's the latest (highest version number) of a generic kernel listed?
[21:06] <Firestorm> 2.6.24-16generic
[21:07] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: right-click + request install
[21:07] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: apply changes (at the top)
[21:08] <Firestorm> Downloading, crossing my fingers
[21:08] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: when you turn on your computer, does it show you your GRUB menu, or just start loading kubuntu?
[21:08] <Firestorm> GRUB since I have dual boot with Crapsta
[21:08] <Firestorm> Vista*
[21:09] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ok, cool.  when we're done here, and you're going to boot into this generic kernel you just installed, and see if sound doesn't work for you this way
[21:09] <Firestorm> It's installed
[21:09] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: by rebooting
[21:09] <Firestorm> sudo reboot time?
[21:09] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ok, close Adept
[21:09] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: not yet
[21:10] <Firestorm> It closed
[21:10] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: issue * sudo update-grub *
[21:10] <Firestorm> Done
[21:10] <ign0ramus> ok, now you can reboot,  -make sure to load this new generic kernel, and come back here.
[21:11] <Firestorm> Roger that, will return shortly
[21:11] <ign0ramus> k
[21:17] <Firestorm> Actually, it wouldn't boot into it, but I do have good news
[21:17] <ign0ramus> o?
[21:17] <Firestorm> I booted into the GENERIC version of my current one and everything works fine
[21:17] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: haha!
[21:17] <Firestorm> Is there a way to remove the other choices from GRUB?
[21:18] <ign0ramus> yup, same way you installed them
[21:18] <Firestorm> There's openSUSE failed install, and about 5 Ubuntu
[21:18] <ign0ramus> in Adept, search for "linux-image" and uninstall the ones you don't need
[21:18] <Firestorm> Thanks a lot guys
[21:18] <ign0ramus> BE CAREFUL TO KEEP THE ONE THAT DOES WORK
[21:18] <Firestorm> I will, I'll keep both versions
[21:18] <Firestorm> I have one more question that's probably easier to fix
[21:19] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: then run * sudo update-grub * afterwards
[21:19] <Firestorm> When I boot up, Information pops up from KdeSudo and says "No command arguments supplied! Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> KdeSudo will now exit...
[21:20] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: that's because you had a program running with kdesu or sudo when you shut down the computer
[21:20] <Firestorm> Ohhh, all right.  Well thanks for all the help.
[21:20] <ign0ramus> np
[21:21] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: if you want to get your wireless working, come back
[21:21] <Firestorm> Now all I need to do is get my wireless going and I'll be full on Linux.  But that's for another day!
[21:21] <Firestorm> Atheros is a real pain.
[21:21] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: i'm recovering from surgery, so i have nothing better to do :(
[21:21] <Firestorm> Well I know how it goes, I give out free Windoze support via remote desktop a lot
[21:22] <Firestorm> But I hope you recover, and this is a good way to spend your time since clueless people like me come in all the time
[21:23] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: you're doing fine.  and i'm on good painkillers, so i'll be ok, too!
[21:23] <Firestorm> Well, I'll get a grasp on Linux someday and probably end up like you hopefully.
[21:24] <Firestorm> But I'm gonna go before I get fired for being late, haha.  You guys take care, and thanks a lot.
[21:24] <ign0ramus> ign0ramus: i'm far from an expert
[21:24] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: take care, man
[21:24] <Firestorm> This building has unsecured wireless, time to show them why that's bad.
[21:24] <ign0ramus> i just responded to myself, heh.  good painkillers
[21:25] <Denise> k
[21:25] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: you've been at work this whole time?
[21:25] <Firestorm> Yep, on break
[21:25] <ign0ramus> Firestorm: ahh.... well, get back to work. slave! :)
[21:25] <Firestorm> Thanks, I will!  Love taking tech support calls
[21:25] <Firestorm> PEBKAC
[21:25] <Firestorm> Laters man
[21:25] <ign0ramus> later
[21:26] <titanart> hello
[21:26] <titanart> hola
[21:26] <ign0ramus> hi
[21:30] <starenka> hi
[21:31] <ceaton> I have a stupid question
[21:31] <ceaton> How do I change the taskbar color in KDE 4.1?
[21:31] <jussi01> there are no stupid questions...
[21:31] <jussi01> also kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:32] <LinuxReign> theres no stupid questios....
[21:32] <ceaton> For the life of me I can't find an option to do this...
[21:32] <Jampiter> Hi
[21:32] <starenka> hi
[21:32] <Jampiter> How do I add a repository in Apt-get?
[21:32]  * SkEmO se la largao, kaput, adios, not here lalalalalala
[21:32] <Jampiter> Hi starenka
[21:32] <starenka> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:32] <jussi01> Jampiter: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:32] <jussi01> then add it to the end
[21:32] <starenka> :))
[21:32] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[21:33] <starenka> Jampiter: mine also works, m8
[21:33] <Jampiter> Heh :p Ok
[21:34] <starenka> however you can also add them via adept...
[21:34] <Jampiter> Oh Jeez - nano
[21:34] <Jampiter> Yeah but that doesn't work
[21:34] <starenka> who is that possible
[21:34] <jussi01> Jampiter: whynot?
[21:34] <Jampiter> It says that it can't commit changes, even though it's the only package apt open
[21:34] <starenka> you run adept in kdesu?
[21:35] <starenka> well you can still do it manually as we told ya
[21:36] <Jampiter> Ok
[21:36] <starenka> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:36] <Jampiter> I've done that, now I'll try it
[21:36] <starenka> kul
[21:36] <Jampiter> I'm trying to install KDE4.1.1
[21:36] <starenka> gl
[21:36] <starenka> hate kde 4
[21:36] <jussi01> Jampiter: dont forget sudo apt-get update
[21:37] <Jampiter> !
[21:37] <Jampiter> Ah :p
[21:37] <jussi01> :)
[21:37] <Jampiter> So that's why it didn't work :p
[21:37] <starenka> :)))
[21:37] <Jampiter> Thanks verymuch for that :p
 It says that it can't commit changes, even though it's the only package apt open
[21:37] <starenka> ??
[21:37] <jussi01> Jampiter: jump over to #kubuntu-kde4 for more help :)
[21:37] <Jampiter> Ok
[21:37] <Jampiter> Thanks you both :D
[21:37] <jussi01> no probs
[21:37] <starenka> glad t help
[21:38] <Jampiter> Right.. update is running
[21:39] <Denise> yes
[21:39] <Jampiter> It works! It's installing!
[21:46]  * lillium sd
[21:52] <kurumin> recife
[22:19] <Guest46713> If a new ubuntu version is released, do i have to re dl and re burn a disc, or is it possible to upgrade via the console ?
[22:20] <jussi01> !upgrade
[22:21] <coreymon77> Guest46713: this isnt windows, you can upgrade using apt
[22:21] <Jampiter> Hi
[22:21] <coreymon77> !hi | Jampiter
[22:21] <Jampiter> What's the name of the package for the screensavers
[22:22] <Jampiter> ?
[22:22] <coreymon77> cant you just search it?
[22:23] <Jampiter> In adept?
[22:23] <coreymon77> yup
[22:25] <Jampiter> Why isn't it showing most of the packages?
[22:26] <coreymon77> what do you mean by that
[22:27] <Jampiter> It shows about a tenth of what synaptic shows
[22:28] <Jampiter> Hey Ben
[22:28] <Jampiter> Synaptic > Adept
[22:29] <coreymon77> both of them suck
[22:29] <Jampiter> Although I normally just Apt-get stuff
[22:29] <coreymon77> i just stick with apt
[22:29] <coreymon77> apt-cache search
[22:29] <Jampiter> Adepts's REALLY unstable, that's my problem with it
[22:29] <Jampiter> You can search in apt-get?
[22:29] <coreymon77> command line is better than both
[22:29] <Cole_Chamber> hello ALL
[22:29] <coreymon77> anything you can do in adept you can do in apt
[22:29] <coreymon77> apt-cache search
[22:30] <cosmofield> Hi ^_^
[22:30] <Jampiter> Wait, this changes EVERYTHING!
[22:30] <Cole_Chamber> hello jampiter
[22:30] <Jampiter> Apt > Chuck Norris
[22:30] <Rioting_pacifist> aptitude search is also good, infact i usually use aptitude over apt-get as it acomidates for mistakes better
[22:30] <Jampiter> Hey Ben
[22:30] <Jampiter> Is aptitude with Kubuntu as standerd?
[22:31] <coreymon77> aptitude is also a command line thing
[22:31] <coreymon77> theres nothing to have
[22:31] <Cole_Chamber> hello jampiter
[22:31] <coreymon77> Cole_Chamber: can we help you?
[22:31] <Jampiter> Hey Eustace - how be the times?
[22:31] <Cole_Chamber> the times are well
[22:32] <Rioting_pacifist> is it possible to install ubuntu to a second partition without using a CD or a wired network?
[22:32] <coreymon77> Rioting_pacifist: and why would you need to do that exactly?
[22:33] <Rioting_pacifist> because i would like to do that, mainly because my cd drive is dodge and i only have a wireless internet connection atm
[22:33] <Rioting_pacifist> im on kubuntu atm but want to install the alpha to my spare partition
[22:33] <coreymon77> there might be, not that i know of though
[22:33] <Jampiter> Cole_Chamber: What can I do for you?
[22:34] <Rioting_pacifist> would unpacking the iso to a partion work?
[22:34] <coreymon77> Rioting_pacifist: are you a developer
[22:35] <Cole_Chamber> Jampiter: HELLO
[22:35] <Rioting_pacifist> nope, but im not doing much this week so was going to test it
[22:35] <coreymon77> Cole_Chamber: no need for the caps
[22:35] <Cole_Chamber> coreymon77: i'm sorry, im experimenting
[22:35] <Jampiter> !caps
[22:36] <coreymon77> Rioting_pacifist: linux alphas are extremely extremely unstable, so, i personally wouldnt suggest it unless you want to help develop and test it
[22:36] <Jampiter> !install Cole_Chamber
[22:36] <Jampiter> Why did this work for other people?
[22:36] <Jampiter> !install | Cole_Chamber
[22:37] <Rioting_pacifist> thats what im looking to do, im aware of the instability thats why i dont want it as my primary instalation
[22:37] <Cole_Chamber> !install | Jampiter
[22:37] <Cole_Chamber> !install | Jampiter
[22:37] <Cole_Chamber> !install | Jampiter
[22:37] <Cole_Chamber> !install | Jampiter
[22:37] <Freddy2> ..
[22:37] <coreymon77> Cole_Chamber: please do not do that
[22:37] <Cole_Chamber> sorry
[22:37] <coreymon77> Cole_Chamber: can we help you with anything
[22:37] <coreymon77> ?
[22:37] <what_if> should I install kubuntu with kde3 or the kde4 remix? Is kde 4 ready for every day use ?
[22:38] <coreymon77> what_if: depends what you want
[22:38] <Cole_Chamber> i actually have a serious question
[22:38] <Jampiter> Isn't Intrepid gonna be 4 only?
[22:38] <what_if> coreymon77: I want kde 4 but not if it is unstable
[22:38] <Jampiter> KDE4 > KDE3
[22:38] <coreymon77> what_if: cutting edge but still some bugs=kde4, absolute rock solid stability=kde 3
[22:39] <Freddy2> feature-missing=kde4
[22:39] <what_if> coreymon77: I can install kde3 and kde4 on the same system... right? just switch to kde3 if stability is a problem
[22:39] <Rioting_pacifist> what_if: last time i checkes (a while ago) the kde4 on 8.04 wasnt great, 8.10 will probably ship with alot of kde4 apps but still use kde3 to fill gaps
[22:39] <coreymon77> what_if: not if you install the remix
[22:40] <Rioting_pacifist> both use the same package manager, why cant you install kde3 from kde4?
[22:40] <coreymon77> what_if: my suggestion is to install the kde 3 one and then try kde4 from there
[22:40] <what_if> coreymon77: so... install the "regular" kde version then I can apt-get kde4 and still have kde3? If I understand correctly...
[22:40] <coreymon77> Rioting_pacifist: the remix makes it much harder to use alongside eachother
[22:40] <coreymon77> what_if: yes, for now
[22:41] <what_if> coreymon77: thank you. will do
[22:41] <Cole_Chamber> coreymon77: i used WINE to install a windows program, but i cant find it anywhere! how do i install a windows program so its useable in kubuntu?
[22:42] <coreymon77> what program?
[22:42] <Darkrift2> what_if, i tried that and it failed horribly
[22:42] <Cole_Chamber> final draft
[22:42] <what_if> Darkrift2: really? what was the problem(s) you had ?
[22:42] <Darkrift2> kde 4 died on me and then killed my kdm
[22:43] <Darkrift2> left me having to login via command line and "startx" to start kde3 after i uninstalled kde4
[22:43] <Darkrift2> now i dont mind, id rather command line login, but that wasnt the desired effet
[22:44] <Darkrift2> then all my kde apps were replaced by kde4 apps, and i cant get them to reinstall correctly and the kde4 versions dont work properly in kde3
[22:44] <what_if> Darkrift2: hmmm, that would not be fun. you installed the "normal" version of 8.04 kubuntu then installed kde4... right ?
[22:44] <Darkrift2> yes
[22:44] <Darkrift2> it worked great for a few hours
[22:44] <what_if> Darkrift2: lol
[22:44] <Darkrift2> then i chnged some settings for my taskbar etc, and it locked up, had to reboot and kdm kept failing
[22:45] <Darkrift2> so i tried to reinstall kdm after removing kde4 and it kept failing, so i just removed it from auto start
[22:45] <Darkrift2> some ppl told me not to do it, but i wanted to try it anyways, but not be limited to it
[22:46] <what_if> Darkrift2: I dont want to go through all that, lol
[22:46] <Darkrift2> id recommend you try kde4 using a live cd, then when you are ready for it, install the kde4 version of kubuntu
[22:47] <Darkrift2> also keep in mind, my issues might have been hw related (video card settings etc), so it might work great for you... just telling you MY story
[22:48] <what_if> Darkrift2: well. I am upgrading my laptop which is not strictly nessecery as I have a desktop. So I will try it
[22:48] <oddysey> i went with kde4 for a moment, but when I tried removing it, it hosed my system pretty seriously
[22:48] <Darkrift2> gl
[22:49] <oddysey> had to remove kubuntu-desktop and kdm and then reinstall
[22:49] <Cole_Chamber> any help with installing final draft, a windows program, to linux so its in a 100% useable fashion?
[22:49] <oddysey> not familiar with the program
[22:49] <Cole_Chamber> its a screenplay writing program, small time but fantastic
[22:49] <oddysey> interesting
[22:50] <oddysey> so wine isn't working as is
[22:50] <Cole_Chamber> well it works, i.e. it installs. but where is it? it says its installed to the windows partition but i cant find it there
[22:50] <oddysey> i know you can substitute actual windows dlls from a windows disk for the stuff the wine comes with
[22:51] <oddysey> sometimes wine has several c: drives per say
[22:51] <Cole_Chamber> i should probs make you aware of the fact that im a complete beginner
[22:51] <oddysey> there'll be one under /root and another under you own home directory
[22:51] <oddysey> i'm not much further ahead than you
[22:51] <jussi01> Cole_Chamber: you may also want to check out celtx http://celtx.com/overview.html
[22:51] <Cole_Chamber> well i went into the C drive through dolphin, but nothing happened
[22:51] <oddysey> sort of the blind leading the blind
[22:51] <oddysey> do this
[22:51] <oddysey> goto a konsole
[22:51] <Cole_Chamber> i tried celtx, but, as a newbie, im a little inadequate on the installation front of things
[22:52] <oddysey> and type find -name "and the name of the program"
[22:52] <oddysey> so the cmd would be something like
[22:52] <oddysey> find -name screenplay
[22:52] <oddysey> or whatever the program .exe file is
[22:52] <oddysey> make sure you run find from the root dir
[22:52] <oddysey> which means you should type cd /
[22:52] <oddysey> cd /
[22:52] <oddysey> to get to root first
[22:53] <mario> =)
[22:53] <mario> muajaj
[22:53] <DexterF> hi
[22:53] <mario> hi
[22:53] <oddysey> yo
[22:53] <mario> nice
[22:53] <mario> hemoso
[22:53] <DexterF> how do I make dpolhin and konqueror display preview images of videos?
[22:53] <mario> :P
[22:54] <oddysey> good question
[22:54] <Cole_Chamber> im new to kubuntu, a recently converted windows fiend
[22:54] <Darkrift2> someone told me how about a year ago, but it sounded like an extreme pita
[22:55] <Darkrift2> something about changing the mime type a little and editing soem configs
[22:56] <jussi01> Cole_Chamber: have you tried celtx?
[22:56] <oddysey> he said he didn't have much luck with celtx
[22:57] <oddysey> Cole_Chamber any luck with those commands i gave you
[22:57] <oddysey> ?
[22:57] <oddysey> i gotta say, i love kubuntu
[22:57] <oddysey> i was a debian addict from the start
[22:57] <Cole_Chamber> no finds :(
[22:58] <oddysey> well then it didn't install properly, or perhaps it's hidden
[22:58] <oddysey> does anyone know how to use find to find hidden files as well
[22:59] <Cole_Chamber> oddysey: didnt find anything
[23:01] <oddysey> Cole_Chamber: i think it might because it's under a hidden folder
[23:02] <oddysey> not sure though
[23:02] <oddysey> let me check something
[23:02] <oddysey> rb
[23:02] <Cole_Chamber> oddysey: i searched those too...nothing
[23:02] <oddysey> well then it seems like wine didn't do it's job after all
[23:02] <oddysey> perhaps a reinstall of wine will fix the problem
[23:02] <oddysey> do you know how to handle that?
[23:03] <Cole_Chamber> is that easy to do via apt-get?
[23:05] <JackWinter> anyone have a reccomendation for an imaging program ?  am about to do install a backport on my root partition, and might be a good idea to make a backup first :)
[23:05] <oddysey> yes
[23:05] <oddysey> it is easy
[23:06] <oddysey> CC: sudo apt-get remove wine
[23:06] <oddysey> or sudo apt-get autoremove '.*wine*.'
[23:06] <oddysey> will remove everything
[23:06] <oddysey> and then the opposite to install
[23:06] <oddysey> sudo apt-get install wine
[23:06] <oddysey> and that should take care of it
[23:07] <Cole_Chamber> ok am doin it now
[23:07] <jussi01> JackWinter: dd is very simple...
[23:07] <Cole_Chamber> done...retry install?
[23:07] <JackWinter> jussi: i've seen dd mentioned very often, but don't know how to use it.  will google for isntructions
[23:08] <oddysey> yes do the install
[23:08] <oddysey> actually
[23:08] <oddysey> you need to setup wine first
[23:08] <jussi01> JackWinter: no probs. Id help, but Im just off to bed.
[23:08] <jussi01> nini!
[23:08] <Cole_Chamber> is there a site with instructions? am off to bed now
[23:08] <oddysey> goto the menu at the bottom there is a selection of system settings
[23:08] <JackWinter> jussi01: so am i :)
[23:08] <oddysey> one is to configure wine
[23:09] <oddysey> give me your email
[23:09] <oddysey> and i'll email you one
[23:09] <Cole_Chamber> omegacrisis@hotmail.com
[23:09] <oddysey> got it
[23:09] <oddysey> i'll get you something good, thorough, and easy to follow
[23:10] <Cole_Chamber> thanks :D
[23:10] <oddysey> don't give up on linux, ut's not that bad once you get over the learning curve
[23:10] <oddysey> welcome :)
[23:11] <Cole_Chamber> i dont intend to give up :P after a week, its kicked windows' arse many times
[23:11] <JackWinter> Cole_Chamber: if you go to winehq, there is a link to add their depositories to adept.  that way it's easy to update to the latest wine too
[23:11] <Cole_Chamber> ah cool...thanks all! am off to bed now! byee!
[23:24] <Colonel_Panic> For some reason, I'm having trouble getting Kubuntu Hardy to recognize USB devices
[23:25] <Colonel_Panic> they won't mount when I plug them in, and when I try to mount them manually it tells me they don't exist.
[23:28] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: have you checked dmesg to see if it's actually seeing them being plugged in?
[23:30] <Carla1989> Hello. It seems that the HDD has gone bad and I can not boot up my laptop. Is there a way to start up using Kubuntu?
[23:31] <di48lo> I just changed my colours in Kubuntu and now my firefox is still dark grey?
[23:31] <Carla1989> !help
[23:31] <Colonel_Panic> LeeJunFan: What should I be looking for in this output from dmesg?
[23:33] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: something similar to usb 4-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 11 - you can run this "dmesg | grep usb" to filter your results to those containing USB events.
[23:33] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: you can boot with an install CD. If your HD is dead you won't be able to boot with that no matter what OS you use.
[23:36] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: It's saying "Insert System Disk in Drive. Press any key when ready" at the boot up. So I am assuming that the HD has gone bad.
[23:37] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Does that mean I must find a working HD for my laptop first, before attempting an kubuntu installation.
[23:37] <Colonel_Panic> Hmmm... I just did ps -u root and I don't see dbusd running
[23:37] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: could be a number of things though. Check your cables, power, IDE or SATA. If you've been in your BIOS settings lately make sure those didn't get changed to disable the HD.
[23:38] <Colonel_Panic> there's something else in there, called "ksuspend_usbd". What is that?
[23:38] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: I'll check it now.
[23:38] <Colonel_Panic> Why would dbus not be running?
[23:38] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: might also be that the bootsector got corrupted and just need to re-install grub.
[23:39] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: dunno, might be worth looking in /var/log/syslog for clues on that.
[23:40] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: or try starting it now and see if it errors anywhere. sudo /etc/init.d/dbus start
[23:40] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: How do I do that? I don't have a floppy drive in my laptop so I can't possibly try booting from a recovery disk.
[23:40] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: you can use an install CD as a recovery disc
[23:41] <Colonel_Panic> * system message bus already started; not starting.
[23:41] <Colonel_Panic> weird
[23:41] <Firestorm> NOW THEN, anybody wanna help out with my wireless issue?
[23:41] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: That's awesome. I have it already with me. What's the next step..
[23:41] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: ksuspend is supposed to be there, part of kernel.
[23:42] <Colonel_Panic> LeeJunFan: What should I be looking for in /var/log/syslog ?
[23:42] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: just a sec. Lemme see if I can find a webpage to save time.
[23:43] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Sure, I understand you've other hungry people, ready to eat you up. :)
[23:43] <RiotingPacifist> i tried removing my seperate /tmp partition assuming that it would just start working as part of / instead but now i can only startx as root
[23:43] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto#Backup, Repairing and Reinstalling GRUB
[23:44] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Thanks, I will have a look at it right now.
[23:44] <Colonel_Panic> want me to pastebin my fstab file?
[23:44] <LeeJunFan> RiotingPacifist: do you have /tmp still? and are it's permissions drwxrwxrwt when you ls -ld /tmp ?
[23:45] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: I wonder if dbus has a lockfile, just a sec.
[23:45] <RiotingPacifist> LeeJunFan: its now drwxr-xr-x
[23:45] <RiotingPacifist> should i chmod to 777 and then try?
[23:46] <LeeJunFan> RiotingPacifist: chmod a+rwxt /tmp
[23:46] <LeeJunFan> RiotingPacifist: I think that should do it.
[23:46] <Colonel_Panic> My syslog file: http://pastebin.ca/1202142
[23:48] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Just wanted to add that my laptop never had kubuntu installed. It had windows xp and I have not used this laptop in months and now that I wanted to use it, it's giving these errors. So I suppose, The link you gave me would still work for my case.
[23:48] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: I don't see anything useful in there, just NetworkManager trying to use dbus.
[23:48] <Colonel_Panic> My /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.ca/1202146
[23:49] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: those are to re-install the linux bootloader. If your HD actually works then you can install kubuntu and you wont' need to worry about following those steps.
[23:49] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: Try to install and see what happens I guess, since it's a laptop there probably aren't any cables actually, so it's more likely the HD is actually dead if you can't install kubuntu to it.
[23:49] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Okie, so my objective is to re-install the linux bootloader.
[23:50] <RiotingPacifist> that worked thx LeeJunFan.
[23:50] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: if only XP was ever on that drive then there's no re-installing to do. Just try to install kubuntu as normal, if the HD works then it'll just be a normal install.
[23:50] <Rekla_je_zagrli_> what is prob ?
[23:51] <LeeJunFan> RiotingPacifist: yer welcome.
[23:51] <Colonel_Panic> any idea what could be the cause of thi?
[23:51] <skyjumper> so i changed the DPI in ~/.kde/share/config/kcmfonts but it's not applying the changes...
[23:51] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: I tried installing but before completing the setup, and after I specified the boot/swap partitions.. it gave an error and quit the setup. But at least it let me see the deaktop and work on it for a while.
[23:52] <skyjumper> how do you apply that / set DPI to something other than 96 or 120?
[23:52] <passw0rd> hi all
[23:52] <Colonel_Panic> I saw some things on the Web about a bug in Kubuntu Hardy that prevented USB devices from mounting
[23:52] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Then just now I checked the Kubuntu CD for errors, and when the test finished - it actually reported one error but it did not specify what was the error.
[23:52] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: not sure. Are you sure dbus isn't running?  try 'pidof dbus-daemon' and see if it returns any #'s.
[23:53] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Should I try burning another CD for Kubuntu Installation?
[23:53] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: yeah, I wouldn't recommend installing from a corrupt CD.
[23:53] <LImejson> install Ubuntu is better for laptop
[23:54] <LImejson> :p
[23:54] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: it's possible it's something that wouldn't matter, but it's also possible you end up either not being able to install or with a machine that wont' boot after.
[23:54] <Firestorm> How is Ubuntu better for a laptop?
[23:55] <Firestorm> Or did you mean an underpowered one maybe
[23:55] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: The ever surprising Kubuntu! While I was chatting here, the CD was in the drive and now I am on the Kubuntu Desktop! What just happened? I did not even press any button, or chosen any option.
[23:55] <Colonel_Panic> I don't see dbusd in here: http://pastebin.ca/1202153
[23:55] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Now that I am on the desktop, is there any utility that I can use to check errors on my HD?
[23:55] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: it boots to a useable desktop which runs entirely from the CD w/o using the HD. From there you can install the system to the HD.
[23:57] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: well, there is no dbusd, dbus-launch and dbus-daemon, but yeah - you have neither of those either.
[23:58] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: you could try to read from it I suppose.
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> what can I do about this?
[23:58] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: I don't understand why dbus would say it's already running.
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> yeah...
[23:58] <Colonel_Panic> would restarting with a new session help?
[23:58] <Carla1989> LeeJunFan: Sure, I'll try to search online if Kubuntu does provide some command to check HD errors
[23:59] <LeeJunFan> Colonel_Panic: cd /var/run/dbus and see if there's a pidfile there.
[23:59] <passw0rd> can i help me?
[23:59] <LeeJunFan> Carla1989: problem is that it had XP on it, there are ways to mount XP, but I don't think there's anything to fix NTFS filesystems.
[23:59] <Colonel_Panic> pid  system_bus_socket