[00:12] <timboy> RAOF, I was told you were the one to talk to about unsolvable nvidia issues
[00:12] <timboy> at a crossroads here. gdm won't start getting a weird error with startx tried to get my nvidia 177 driver set up. worked fine with kernel 27-2 but broke in 27-3 here is xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1201255
[00:25] <lubosz> how can i suggest a software beeing added to the repositories
[00:26] <lubosz> this would be very nice http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/
[00:26] <lubosz> instead of just posting it on brainstorm :D
[00:27] <lubosz> btw, my gcc does not like memcopy
[00:27] <lubosz> error: ‘memset’ was not declared in this scope
[00:27] <lubosz> same with all mem_ commands
[00:27] <lubosz> i updated today, but maybe i have to boot up the new kernel
[00:27] <lubosz> -3
[01:07] <emma> is it well known that npveiewer is crashing perniciously and constantly in Intrepid?
[01:08] <emma> I've filed a couple of bugs already. I want to make sure that someone knows about this and it's a high priority before Intrepid is released.
[01:09] <tretle> emma - I have noticed it happen allot too
[01:12] <bsnider> emma - don't worry about it. it will be addressed
[01:12]  * DanaG pokes Flash (and npviewer.bin) with a stick.... and watches it crash.
[01:12]  * DanaG breathes on it... and watches it crash.
[01:12]  * DanaG so much as looks at it.... crash.
[01:12] <DanaG> =þ
[01:13] <tretle> lol
[01:13] <bsnider> come on now, adopey makes a lot of fine products too
[01:13] <DanaG> No 64-bit for Windows, either!
[01:13] <DanaG> ... from what I've heard.
[01:14]  * gx009 has not seen npviewer crash yet
[01:16] <gx009> i use sixty four bit | amd
[01:16] <emma> bsnider: cool :)
[01:18] <gx009> there are many reports for npviewer since 8.04 though..
[01:28]  * DanaG wonders how well Linux deals with UEFI firmware, if you turn off the BIOS emulation mode.
[01:54] <Jordan_U> What exactly does "task" mean when you apt-cache show a package ( for instance smartpm-core "Task: ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-desktop-kde, xubuntu-desktop" ) ?
[01:58] <crdlb> Jordan_U: tasksel?
[02:00] <Jordan_U> crdlb: So selecting ubuntu-desktop as a task will install more than the dependencies of ubuntu-desktop, correct?
[02:01] <Jordan_U> I am just trying to figure out if the fact that smartpm-core is part of the task should be considered a bug
[02:02] <doggymenz> why System Monitor is transparent, but other app like Update Manager is not?
[02:03] <crdlb> Jordan_U: looking at /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc, the ubuntu-desktop task seems to just be the ubuntu-desktop package
[02:04] <Jordan_U> crdlb: Then as far as I understand smartpm-core should not be part of the ubuntu-desktop task since it's in universe
[02:07] <doggymenz> i forgot what is smartpm
[02:08] <Jordan_U> doggymenz: Smart package manager
[02:08] <crdlb> Jordan_U: can you uninstall it without uninstalling ubuntu-desktop?
[02:08] <doggymenz> oh, ok now i remember that thing that does rpm
[02:08] <doggymenz> why System Monitor is transparent, but other app like Update Manager is not?
[02:08] <crdlb> doggymenz: gnome-system-monitor requests an ARGB colormap
[02:08] <Jordan_U> crdlb: Yes, but it was installed by default ( at least I never installed it or anything that depends on it myself )
[02:08] <doggymenz> oh
[02:09] <doggymenz> why it does, and other app doesnt?
[02:09] <crdlb> don't ask me :>
[02:09] <doggymenz> strange
[02:09] <crdlb> only reason I know that is that is breaks menu shadows
[02:09] <doggymenz> oh
[02:09] <crdlb> as compiz cannot draw shadows on an argb window since it doesn't know where to put them
[02:09] <doggymenz> ya, it does
[02:10] <doggymenz> oh
[02:10] <Jordan_U> doggymenz: Because compositing wasn't available on most systems when they were first developed / the devs don't know / care about compositing
[02:10] <crdlb> the window could have apparent rounded corners, but the window would still be a rectangle to compiz
[02:10] <doggymenz> oh
[02:10] <doggymenz> well, shadow should be less strong the more transparent it is
[02:11] <doggymenz> because if it transparent, it let in more light, and cast less shadow
[02:11] <gx009> thats an artistic interpretation..
[02:11] <crdlb> the problem is doing it efficiently
[02:12] <Jordan_U> doggymenz: But having a shadow behind the whole window looks weird
[02:12] <doggymenz> yeah, if very transparent
[02:13] <crdlb> it appears that the direction we'll be going in is apps drawing their own shadows
[02:13] <gx009> i hope you're not thinking thats a good idea..
[02:14] <doggymenz> thats a horrible idea
[02:14] <doggymenz> shadows is the window managers job, not the application
[02:14] <crdlb> why not? the decorators already do their own shadow drawing, so it would only affects menus and panels
[02:14] <Jordan_U> crdlb: It looks like the reason smartpm-core is there at all is because landscape-client ( which I did not install manually ) depends on it, but landscape-client is in main. Am I correct that this is a bug?
[02:14] <crdlb> Jordan_U: definitely sounds like it to me
[02:15] <crdlb> it would be a broken system if you disabled universe
[02:15] <gx009> and how many lines of code for each program base.. i dont like it
[02:15] <crdlb> gx009: we have toolkits for a reason
[02:15] <crdlb> it would be automatic for menus, and one line of code for panels and such
[02:16] <doggymenz> then all apps would have different
[02:16] <doggymenz> and it would look crap
[02:16] <crdlb> nope, you can just use XSettings to store the shadow parameters
[02:17] <crdlb> and everyone can read it from there
[02:17] <gx009> "it is purpose that defines us"
[02:22] <doggymenz> but i have no purpose
[02:24] <mneptok> Jordan_U: landscape-client is in Universe
[02:24] <Jordan_U> doggymenz == undef
[02:24] <xiambax> Hello.
[02:24] <xiambax> When i say stable i just mean like stable enough for basic usage
[02:24] <xiambax> browsing etc
[02:24] <Jordan_U> mneptok: Not according to apt-cache show landscape-client
[02:25] <mneptok> !info landscape-client
[02:25] <mneptok> OK, must have moved to Main for Ibex
[02:25] <Jordan_U> Possibly shouldn't have :)
[02:26] <Jordan_U> Bug 268604
[02:26] <mneptok> the Landscape team is here next week. i'll talk to them about it.
[02:27] <mneptok> that bug looks like Marc's
[02:27] <mneptok> but he's left for the weekend already
[02:27]  * mneptok makes notes
[02:31] <doggymenz> why ARGB transparent window visuals are only available when using compiz? windows 2000 could do that back in the days 8 years ago
[02:33] <jtechidna> ARBG windows need hardware acceleration
[02:34] <doggymenz> thats stupid, because in Windows 2000, you didnt need hardware visualisation, and it could do transparent windows too
[02:34] <jtechidna> it was probably doing it in software
[02:34] <jtechidna> e.g. "fake" transparency, like Kicker used back in KDE 3.x
[02:34] <Jordan_U> doggymenz: You can do it with xfce in software, it's just not worth it
[02:34] <doggymenz> why not worth?
[02:35] <jtechidna> Slow
[02:35] <Jordan_U> doggymenz: Slow and uses too much CPU, no matter how efficient the code is
[02:35] <doggymenz> oh
[02:35] <mneptok> Win2K did not use hardware accelerated compositing
[02:35] <jtechidna> Windows could do it because they entangled window drawing into the kernel through super-optimized hacks
[02:36] <doggymenz> oh
[02:36] <doggymenz> window drawing in kernel sounds like a stupid idea
[02:36] <jtechidna> well, that's part of why Microsoft needs thousands of developers to keep windows... maintained
[02:37] <mneptok> doggymenz: i'm sure a lot of Microsoft employees said those same words on their last day of employment.
[02:37] <doggymenz> hehe
[02:37] <doggymenz> when i surf in firefox, or chat on irc, sometimes the part of screen that gets update, doesnt update, why?
[02:37] <doggymenz> its like some xdamage or composite error?
[02:47] <doggymenz> my kernel says 2.6.27-3-generic, how can i know if its rc3, rc4, rc5, or rc6?
[02:53] <bsnider> doggymenz, it's rc6
[02:54] <doggymenz> oh, thanks
[02:54] <doggymenz> but how can i know? it doesnt say
[03:16] <bsnider> doggymenz, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=summary
[03:18] <doggymenz> ok
[03:18] <doggymenz> no way to see inside sys tough
[03:18] <doggymenz> maybe they should make it 2.6.27.3-rc3
[04:05] <DreadKnight> heya; can anyone help me out a bit to get my stylus working on my tablet pc ? xD
[04:14] <gx009> thats the latest kernel ...
[04:15] <nekostar> gx009 what is? ...
[04:16] <gx009> thats the latest kernel
[04:16] <gx009> kl
[04:16] <nekostar> gk?
[04:16] <nekostar> er kl?
[04:16] <gx009> typo.. i meant the 2.6.27-3
[04:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, speaking of transparency...
[04:26] <DanaG> Stardock implemented a different sort of transparency on XP, that required a decent video card; it had to support per-pixel alpha.
[04:27] <DanaG> I do think it's stupid that Windows has you boot... into a GUI, and you really can't tell where kernel ends and userspace begins.
[04:27] <DanaG> In Linux, you instead have the kernel, and then X on top -- so you can kill X.  Can't do that in Windows.
[04:30] <DanaG> Mmm, glitchy windeco.  Thanks, nvidia (I've been told it's an nvidia bug).
[05:18] <`Matir> Anyone else seeing crashes with nspluginwrapper?
[05:19]  * DanaG pokes Flash (and npviewer.bin) with a stick.... and watches it crash.
[05:19]  * DanaG breathes on it... and watches it crash.
[05:19]  * DanaG so much as looks at it.... crash.
[05:19] <DanaG> =þ
[05:24] <nekostar> o:
[05:35] <ghindo> Hey everybody, does anybody know anything about the package "landscape-client"?  I looked it up on the Ubuntu package search and didn't get anything conclusive
[05:39] <literal> ghindo: aptitude show landscape-client
[05:40] <ghindo> literal: Cool, thanks!
[05:58] <DanaG> What use does it have for standalone systems?  Anything?
[06:00] <Jordan_U> DanaG: Advertising for Canonical ;)
[06:10] <DanaG> yay, now evdev will support wheel emulation and such when used through an fdi file.
[06:17] <pwnguin> heh, how many people do you think use amazon search in firefox?
[07:16] <chuy_max> hi guys
[07:17] <Arenlor> hey chuy_max sup?
[07:18] <chuy_max> I just tried Alpha5, and I can see some partitions (ext3, NTFS) under /dev/ directory, but neither swap partition, nor encrypted filesystems (using dm-crypt) are recognized
[07:20] <Arenlor> I'm upgrading from Hardy right now and can't see the swap in it
[07:21] <chuy_max> Arenlor, can't you see the swap in hardy?
[07:21] <Arenlor> nope
[07:21] <chuy_max> I can see both swap, and encrypted partitions in hardy, but not in intrepid
[07:21] <Arenlor> Maybe it's a package you have installed?
[07:23] <chuy_max> mmmm, I don't think so, I'm booting xubuntu hardy live cd and check it
[07:24] <Arenlor> Maybe that's it, KDE? I have GNOME. I have only a few partitions on here and SDA1 is my swap and it's pointedly missing in it
[07:24] <chuy_max> and maybe I'm asking in #linux too, do you guys know if it is intended behavior to not list swap nor encrypted partitions without some special package?
[07:25] <chuy_max> Arenlor, I have gnome in this box too, I just downloaded xubuntu for an old laptop I got a couple of days ago
[07:26] <Arenlor> Well I can't seem to find my swap drive, so maybe someone bugged somewhere just recently that you didn't update?
[07:29] <chuy_max> Arenlor, you mean, swap partition not listed under /dev/, right?
[07:29] <Arenlor> correct, nor is it in any of the directories in /dev/disk/
[07:30] <darthanubis> evolution will not show message text of recieved messages
[07:31] <darthanubis> od for a mail client not to show mail
[07:31] <chuy_max> bah, I downloaded xubuntu alternate, I forgot
[07:38] <chuy_max> hey Arenlor, what does cat /proc/swaps show?
[07:40] <Arenlor> says: /dev/sda1                               partition	3140668	40184	-1
[07:41] <chuy_max> Arenlor, can you show me the output of echo /dev/sd* and sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[07:42] <Arenlor> echo /dev/sd* is: /dev/sda /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 /dev/sda5 /dev/sda6
[07:44] <danbh_intrepid> Arenlor: there is another cool command: blkid
[07:45] <Arenlor> /dev/sda﻿1               1         391     3140676   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[07:45] <Arenlor> /dev/sda﻿2   *         392        2961    20636668    7  HPFS/NTFS
[07:45] <Arenlor> ﻿Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
[07:45] <Arenlor> /dev/sda3            2962        4420    11719417+   5  Extended
[07:45] <Arenlor> /dev/sda5            2962        3934     7815591   83  Linux
[07:45] <Arenlor> /dev/sda6            3935        4420     3903763+  83  Linux
[07:45] <Arenlor> blkid is cool, it shows my swap
[07:45] <danbh_intrepid> well, there is your swap
[07:46] <danbh_intrepid> first partition
[07:46] <Arenlor> yep, but it's not showing IN /dev/
[07:47] <chuy_max> maybe a problem with udev?
[07:48] <chuy_max> Arenlor, probably you should file a bug for hardy
[07:49] <Arenlor> can't get firefox to launch for some reason related to the upgrade and the upgrade will be done in a minute or so
[07:52] <Arenlor> The big questions is, why is there 1 minutes left instead of 1 minute?
[07:56] <Arenlor> where will the install log be found?
[07:56] <DanaG> Heh, this old laptop goes up to 100% battery, then counts down to 85%........ and then drops to 2.
[07:57] <DanaG> 2%, that is.
[07:57] <DanaG> Then it turns off.
[07:59] <Arenlor> You're lucky, my year old laptop just skips all the count down crap and just does the turning off
[07:59] <chuy_max> mmmm, launchpad uses what can be considered as unproper usage of tables for layouts
[08:01] <Arenlor> anyone know where the install log will be located, I highly suspect fglrx did not get placed onto my system correctly (have a fail at that step, exit code 7)
[08:03] <Arenlor> time for reboot, wish me luck
[08:03] <DanaG> I'm also lucky that that old one is not my primary machine.  It's a spare.
[08:13] <NCommander> Is there anyone around who uses gnucash?
[08:13] <Ayabara> upgraded at work yesterday and had a bit of a struggle to get back my dual screen setup (ati/fglrx). on my home laptop I have an nvidia card. can I expect an upgrade to go smoother on that setup, or are there known nvidia-issues as well?
[08:35] <Arenlor> apport has caught a few issues already, all I believe stemming from fglrx
[08:43] <niklauz> anyone know if ibex ships w/ empathy?
[08:44] <RAOF> It doesn't.
[08:44] <RAOF> But it's easy to install.
[08:45] <Reed_Solomon> bah, useless bloatware
[08:45] <Arenlor> To you
[08:46] <niklauz> Reed_Solomon: i just want to play with it, is that not allowed in free software anymore?
[08:46] <Reed_Solomon> im just kidding
[08:46] <niklauz> have you played with it though?
[08:46] <Reed_Solomon> no
[08:46] <Arenlor> watch it, the only thing we call bloatware here is from M$
[08:46] <Reed_Solomon> i have no empathy
[08:47] <niklauz> i just read the phoronix on the latest gnome release, it sounds like a progressive replacement for pidgin
[08:47] <niklauz> :)
[08:47] <niklauz> RAOF: do you think it'll be in universe or something like that?
[08:48] <RAOF> Arenlor: It's important to remember that saying "M$" reminds people of this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/7/22/ :)
[08:48] <RAOF> niklauz: It already is, and has been for at least a couple of releases.
[08:49] <Arenlor> lol you say that like I'd be ashamed of any of that RAOF
[08:49]  * RAOF has a noble goal: to ensure no one else need say "while '$' may look like a letter, it isn't".
[08:51] <Arenlor> I've never heard anyone say that, ever
[08:54] <RAOF> lmit 21
[08:59] <Raspberry> is there any documentation on how to configure X server for 8.10
[08:59] <Raspberry> are we still supposed to edit the xorg.conf directly?
[08:59] <Raspberry> to setup tablet stylus and extra mouse buttons
[09:59] <Raspberry> so...
[10:08] <da1l6> Hi
[10:12] <Raspberry> hi
[10:13] <da1l6> I can't get a wireless connection with kubuntu intrepid + network manager (worked in hardy). Is this the right place to ask?
[10:19] <Reed_Solomon> yes
[10:19] <Raspberry> what network card do you have?
[10:20] <da1l6> iwl4965
[10:20] <da1l6> iwlist wlan0 scan does list all networks.
[10:20] <Raspberry> this is ubuntu+1 ... isn't there a kubuntu alpha?
[10:20] <Raspberry> irc channel
[10:21] <Raspberry> ... I have Alpha 5 with the iwl4965 card and the install went smooth
[10:21] <Raspberry> I've got a thinkpad X61
[10:21] <Raspberry> da1l6: are you using KDE4?
[10:21] <da1l6> yes
[10:21] <Raspberry> I can try to log into it and see if it works or not
[10:21] <da1l6> there is a #kubuntu-kde4,  should i ask there
[10:22] <Raspberry> maybe
[10:22] <Raspberry> probably
[10:22] <Raspberry> I've always had bad luck with Kubuntu being stable
[10:22] <Raspberry> so now I just run KDE apps in Gnome with Ubuntu
[10:23] <Raspberry> I find that works better
[10:23] <da1l6> i don't expect it to run flawless in alpha, but wireless is essential for me
[10:24] <Raspberry> well since it's alpha
[10:25] <Raspberry> I'd recommend installing the Ubuntu Alpha 5 (which works fine) and then installing KDe4 after the install
[10:25] <Raspberry> which seems to work fine here
[10:25] <Raspberry> do you know what they're doing differently in KDE4 for Kubuntu besides setting it to the default WM
[10:25] <RAOF> da1l6: I think that knetworkmanager isn't in sync with network-manager.  I believe that if you install network-manager-gnome and run nm-applet you can have working wireless.
[10:26] <da1l6> RAOF, thanks lets see if i can get this working.
[10:27] <da1l6> anyway, i just wanted to mention that issue before it ends up in stable, when its too late.
[10:42] <da1l6> nope, networkmanager-gnome doesn't work either. Wireless AP gets connected, DHCP Discover arrives, DHCP Offer is sent, but it does not assign the IP and finally gives up.
[11:00] <vistakiller> do you have problem with the last firefox update?
[11:00] <mickep> vistakiller: I did upgrade this morning, and I've got no problem sofar.
[11:01] <vistakiller> i lost my search engines
[11:01] <vistakiller> my site tag
[11:01] <vistakiller> ok sorry i think i fix it
[11:10] <Raspberry> i had a problem until I restarted firefox
[11:10] <donkeyofdarkness> HAI!
[11:10] <dawynn> Intrepid is silent, even though I've followed the "perfect setup" instructions for PulseAudio.  How do I begin to diagnose my sound problems?
[11:14] <AtomicSpark> Unplug your headphones that you forgot were there.
[11:14] <AtomicSpark> This happened to me once. It was lolful.
[11:14] <dawynn> Nope.  But worth a shot.  Hardy sound works fine, but Intrepid is completely silent.
[11:14] <AtomicSpark> :)
[11:28] <donkeyofdarkness> it's supposed to be silent
[11:28] <donkeyofdarkness> hardy was too loud
[11:29] <donkeyofdarkness> no one liked it
[11:29] <donkeyofdarkness> it's fixed now
[11:31] <dawynn> ROFL!
[11:31] <dawynn> Great answer.  Funny.
[11:37] <donkeyofdarkness> :P
[11:40] <Hamra> hi, i just finished downloading kubuntu intrepid alpha5 (alternate cd), i want to install it in a VM using virtualox, but as soon i choose to install, i get a non ending shower of "unable to handle kernel bug" setneces all over the screen!
[11:41] <Hamra> what kernel options can i use to boot it in a fail safe mode?
[11:45] <Hamra> anybody?
[11:46] <Raspberry> anybody else having major issues with KVM?
[11:46] <Raspberry> virstualbox seems to work alright
[11:49] <Hamra> !pastebin
[11:52] <ma10> why is the new python2.5 depending on a bunch of x11 libraries? not good for server installs..
[11:52] <Hamra> http://imagebin.ca/view/oY8W39Hw.html
[11:54] <DanaG1> Oh hey, where is the gnome panel config stored?
[11:54] <DanaG1> Is it in gconf?  I copied from one computer to another... and it didn't take effect.
[12:12] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[12:12] <bullgard4> What is the filename of the program that has been compiled from ../gnome-panel/panel-menu-bar.c
[12:13] <bullgard4> DanaG: What do you mean by "the gnome panel config"?
[12:14] <DanaG> which applets are where.
[12:23] <kahrytan> Hello
[12:27] <prot1> Does anybody know how to disable the "HW radio frequency kill switch" when there's no such button on the laptop and no setting in the BIOS?
[12:27]  * kahrytan is glad they fixed Intrepid and Vbox issue
[12:28] <prot1> It's an Asus Z37S laptop with an intel wireless 5300 (iwlagn) card
[12:28] <prot1> The strange thing is, the card actually works for like 10 seconds when booting up, but gets disabled thereafter (because of the kill switch) :-/
[12:29] <prot1> As such I can see the available networks but am unable to actually connect
[12:29] <prot1> Any help would be much appreciated
[12:31] <prot1> Also tried to manually patch the driver and unset the kill switch bit, but had no success
[12:34] <kahrytan> Is it true the metacity theme in alpha5 is just a bug in installer?
[12:38] <nandemonai> Hi guys. Anyone had a problem with nm-applet not saving static wired ethernet connection info on reboot? Keeps reverting to dhcp.
[12:39] <nandemonai> Latest updates, running under vmware.
[12:43] <LetsGo67> There's a decent Wall-Light mockup...
[12:43] <kahrytan> inubuntu wiki
[12:44] <kahrytan> you mean this one, http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs31/i/2008/215/e/1/Interpid_Ibex_Mockup_Part_1_by_willwill100.png ?
[12:45] <kahrytan> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Wall-light
[12:46] <LetsGo67> Yeah... I meant, "a decent theme".
[12:47] <LetsGo67> Well, I gotta go, unfortunately.  ttyl
[12:47] <kahrytan> Artwork team is working on it
[12:49] <kahrytan> Perfect Wallpaper for Ibex, http://inigoalonso.com/imagen/la_cabra/la_cabra1600_06.png
[13:14] <oliver_g_1> hi
[13:14] <oliver_g_1> did you also get that EULA page in Firefox after the lastest upgrade?
[13:21] <shadowhywind> hay all not sure if this is an intrepid or kde4.1 issue, but i can't seam to find my printer options, any one have any ideas?
[13:23] <jtechidna> shadowhywind: you should be able to configure your printer with the system-config-printer-kde application
[13:24] <shadowhywind> jtechidna: sweet i will look into that
[13:25] <shadowhywind> i would have assumed they would have added that to the systemsettings app
[13:25] <visik7> anyone got network manager working with wpa ?
[13:26] <shadowhywind> jtechidna: you wouldn't happen to know how to add a pdf printer would you?
[13:26] <jtechidna> shadowhywind: there should be a pdf printer by default
[13:26] <shadowhywind> jtechidna: really?? i don't
[13:27] <jtechidna> well, for anything except pdf
[13:27] <jtechidna> you can't print from pdf to pdf in Okular, that's about the only place you don't get a print to pdf optoin
[13:28] <shadowhywind> jtechidna: well in the printer-kde app, all i have is my acturall printer. in firefox all i get is my printer and print to file
[13:28] <jtechidna> ah, Firefox...
[13:28] <jtechidna> no clue how you'd get firefox to have a print to pdf option
[13:30] <gourgi> shadowhywind: {maybe} this can work , http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/23/print-to-pdf-using-cups-pdf/
[13:31] <ailean> looking for help to set up my xorg.conf for intrepid.  it used to work for hardy but no longer does.  default settings work but title bars don't appear on windows.
[13:31] <shadowhywind> gourgi: sweet that is exactly what i am looking for
[13:31] <gourgi> shadowhywind:np ;)
[13:32] <shadowhywind> ailean: are you running compiz?
[13:32] <ailean> shadowhywind, i should be (I think so)
[13:32] <shadowhywind> ailean: thats your issue (now if i can remember the command.. haven't had to use it in a while)
[13:33] <gourgi> ailean: Alt+F2 , type 'metacity --replace' , and you won't run compiz anymore
[13:33] <ailean> shadowhywind, what's wrong then?
[13:33] <ailean> gourgi, what runs in compiz's place now?
[13:34] <shadowhywind> gourgi: hehe thats the command
[13:34] <gourgi> ailean: it is metacity obvious
[13:34] <gourgi> ailean: are you windows borders back now ?
[13:34] <ailean> gourgi, nope.
[13:35] <gourgi> ailean: Alt+F2 , type 'compiz --replace' , and you go back to compiz again
[13:36] <ailean> gourgi, but neither compiz nor metacity are working.
[13:36] <ailean> gourgi, i think the problem is that i don't have composite extensions enabled.
[13:37] <ailean> gourgi, but without them i think i should get a basic display
[13:37] <gourgi> ailean: what is your graphics card ?
[13:38] <ailean> ati radeon mobile
[13:38] <gourgi> ailean:what is  'fglrx | grep RADEON' command's output ?
[13:39] <ailean> command not found
[13:40] <gourgi> ailean:can you paste your xorg to a pastebin please ?
[13:40] <ailean> i'm running on the default xorg.conf.  do you want the previous one?
[13:40] <gourgi> ailean: both of them please
[13:40] <ailean> k
[13:43] <ailean> current: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46604/
[13:44] <ailean> attempt at using ati card: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46607/
[13:46] <ailean> gourgi, i think it's down to getting this graphics card to work...
[13:48] <gourgi> ailean:maybe you can try some settings from this xorg here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916805
[13:49] <gourgi>  ailean: look at the 'device' section ,  obiously you should have ati drivers installed
[13:50] <prahal> hi all entries are duplicated in hal . Is this a known issue ? I am looking at the diff between debian (that works) and intrepid but have not found out why yet
[13:51] <ailean> gourgi, yep, i have installed the driver.  there's a bit of new info for me here.  thanks for your help, i'll come back if i get stuck :)
[13:51] <prahal> could even be an udev issue ... have to check
[13:55] <prahal> though if one check in gnome-device-manager this become obvious that something is wrong
[14:57] <mphill_> gnome won't start, xfce and kde work fine.  gnome just hangs after login showing only the background image.  I have the nvidia 177.70, 67 and 68 failed as well.
[15:25] <dfgas> how do i upgrade to 8.10. want to try in a vm
[15:26] <mphill> update-manager -d
[15:26] <dfgas> k thanks
[15:30] <oliver_g_1> mphill: is the ubuntu-desktop package installed?
[15:30] <oliver_g_1> I had that problem yesterday, and it was caused by an upgrade that uninstalled ubuntu-desktop and some related packages
[16:00] <mphill> oliver_g_1: sorry, i was eating breakfast, lemme check
[16:01] <mphill>  dpkg -l | grep ubuntu-desktop
[16:01] <mphill> ii  xubuntu-desktop                            2.68                                        Xubuntu desktop system
[16:01] <mphill> is that the problem?
[16:01] <oliver_g_1> check /var/log/dpkg.log
[16:02] <oliver_g_1> there's probably a line stating the ubuntu-desktop was removed
[16:02] <mphill> 2008-09-10 22:40:40 remove ubuntu-desktop 1.112 1.112
[16:02] <oliver_g_1> in any case, yes, try apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[16:02] <oliver_g_1> yup
[16:02] <mphill> nice
[16:02] <mphill> i will try
[16:03] <mphill> i blew away my .gcong and .gnome* :( tisk tisk
[16:03] <oliver_g_1> oops
[16:49] <prahal_> hi anyone know how the gnome-session dispatch the gnome-keyring events ? there is an helper script that seems to hardcode the dispatch to gnome-keyring instead of seahorse-agent
[16:50] <prahal_> this does not exists in debian so I am quite lost . Could you provides hints on how to get seahorse-agent to be used in ubuntu intrepid
[16:50] <prahal_> it was working under hardy
[17:25] <s0u][ight> !repos
[17:25] <s0u][ight> what are the intrepid repos?
[17:25] <s0u][ight> !intepid
[17:25] <s0u][ight> !upgrade
[17:25] <zoe1> !intrepid
[17:29] <s0u][ight> what are the 2 intrepid repos?
[17:33] <zoe1> !repos
[17:34] <s0u][ight> i need libc6's latest version
[17:38] <Reed_Solomon> intrepids stability has increased with some of the recent upgrades in my opinion
[17:39] <Reed_Solomon> doesn't seem to crash when I close the lid and go into screensaver anyways
[17:40] <s0u][ight> Reed_Solomon, can you plz give me the intrepid repos you use?
[17:41] <Reed_Solomon> ca.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:44] <s0u][ight> never mind
[17:44] <s0u][ight> found the packages i need in lauchpad
[18:29] <prahal_> ok found the issue . bad commit in network-manager that went into intrepid
[18:47] <Jordan_U> I can't seem to get sound to work in wine
[18:55] <Reed_Solomon> Jordan_U: well.. depends on the program
[18:55] <Jordan_U> Reed_Solomon: winecfg audio test fails
[18:56] <Reed_Solomon> oh
[18:56] <Reed_Solomon> well then
[18:56] <Reed_Solomon> which driver is being used
[19:11] <dfgas> well this is not working the way i hoped, guest additions from vbox don't allow me to resize the screen
[19:11] <dfgas> i will have to edit config file later for resolutions
[19:19] <Jordan_U> Reed_Solomon: Alsa, but all drivers fail
[19:19] <Reed_Solomon> odd
[19:20] <Reed_Solomon> works for me in any case
[19:20] <Reed_Solomon> so, hm
[19:20] <Reed_Solomon> any other sound programs monopolizing the card?
[19:21] <mickep> Hello, I have no app gnome-font-viewer anymore in the gnome-control-center package in alpha5. Should I file a bug or has something changed?
[19:24] <Flimm> To my surprise, enabling Visual Effects worked! Is it a bug that it wasn't enabled by default, or is it supposed to be that way?
[19:39] <oliver_g_1> mickep: if there is no such bug already, better file one...
[19:39] <mickep> oliver_g_1: ok, I will
[19:39] <mphill> oliver_g_1: that worked like a charm, i am back in gnome
[19:41] <DanaG> Argh, it turns out, on this nv17 or whatever it is, nouveau is way slower than nv.
[19:41] <DanaG> nouveau makes the X server take up like 30% CPU.
[19:42] <oliver_g_1> dfgas: how did you get vbox guest extensions installed in intrepid?
[19:43] <oliver_g_1> the ubuntu package is broken for me :-(
[19:45] <ianliu_88> Is it safe to install Ibex on a virtual machine? I'm new to these VMs and I wanted to test ubuntu 8.10
[19:49] <oliver_g_1> ianliu_88: you can install it in Virtualbox for example, but there's a problem with the current versions...
[19:50] <oliver_g_1> you can work around that for installation, and then install updates, and it should work fine then
[19:50] <oliver_g_1> or wait for the alpha6 version, which should hopefully have the bugfix
[19:51] <oliver_g_1> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/246067
[19:53] <bsnider> how many nvidia blob users are experiencing hard lockups?
[20:02] <emet> !info flashplayer-nonfree
[20:02] <emet> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[20:05] <DanaG> argh, I thought my sound card was broken.... but nope, PCM was just muted for god-only-knows what reason.
[20:06] <bsnider> because you muted it last night in a drunken stupor
[20:07] <DanaG> nope.
[20:09] <DanaG> zomg, my videos are playing back with inverted colors, for some reason.
[20:09] <DanaG> Stupid 'nv'.
[20:09] <bsnider> inverted red and blue
[20:10] <bsnider> try mplayer instead
[20:10] <DanaG> Aah.
[20:10] <DanaG> Yeah, that
[20:10] <DanaG> I figured mplayer would be better, so I'll try it.
[20:10] <DanaG> Stupid nvidia.  =þ
[20:10] <bsnider> try smplayer too. it's excellent
[20:10] <bsnider> i wish there was a gtk version
[20:11] <DanaG> qgtkstyle
[20:11] <DanaG> if you can get smplayer in qt4, then it'll fit in.
[20:11] <bsnider> huh?
[20:11] <bsnider> i'm not talking about style
[20:11] <DanaG> Oh yeah, not just switch to mplayer; also have to set it to x11 output instead of xv.
[20:11] <bsnider> to install smplayer in gnome, you need some kde stuff too
[20:12] <bsnider> i'd rather not have it
[20:12] <DanaG> Aah.
[20:12] <DanaG> Not just qt, but kde too.
[20:13] <bsnider> why not use the blob if you've got nvidia hardware?
[20:16] <DanaG> It's an integrated GeForce4, which is really like a GeForce2.
[20:16] <DanaG> It needs the 96 drivers.
[20:16] <bsnider> the nouveau drivers might work better for you
[20:16] <bsnider> i think RAOF has them in a ppa
[20:16] <DanaG> I've tried them; they make the X server take up lots of CPU ti,e
[20:16] <DanaG> time.
[20:17] <DanaG> It makes the whole system sluggish when I use them.
[20:18] <bsnider> how old is that system?
[20:21] <bsnider> wait, the 96 drivers are available
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> they don't work with Intrepid's xorg
[20:30] <bsnider> that's highly inconvenient
[20:31] <bsnider> on the other hand, that's pretty old hardware
[20:46] <emet> can anyone currently running intrepid confirm bug 269888
[20:47] <danbh_intrepid> hey guys, Im having network problems with 2.6.27-3.  I filed a bug report, but I'm not sure what info I should provide.  Any suggestions?
[20:51]  * DanaG wishes nvidia would fix the 96 and 71 drivers.
[20:51] <mickep> emet: I am running a fully updated intrepid, and when I hit PRTSC I get a screen dump of the whole desktop
[20:52] <DanaG> ... or open source, at the very least, the cards that are that old that they need such drivers.
[20:52] <emet> okay
[20:52] <DanaG> s/open source/open-source/
[20:58] <Oli``> I've managed to raj up compiz. I was using compiz-git (compiled here) on Hardy, then I upgraded to II and would like to go back to a repo-controlled version. I uninstalled compiz-git and have installed all the compiz packages but now when I try and turn on desktop effects, I get a really helpful error message: "Desktop effects could not be enabled". Any idea how I can wipe all traces of compiz to try and get this working again?
[21:00] <Oli``> oh okay... just ran compiz from a terminal: /usr/bin/compiz: 393: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found
[21:02] <bsnider> next time you compile something add prefix=/usr so the binaries won't go to /usr/local/bin
[21:06] <DanaG> I actually like having my non-packaged stuff in local.
[21:06] <DanaG> Then I can just get rid of the whole /usr/local/* stuff to remove it.
[21:06] <DanaG> It also may need a logout, or a sudo ldconfig
[21:07] <Oli``> Any idea where a user's compiz config is located? Since I fixed /usr/bin/compiz, my old config is causing it to crash
[21:10] <DanaG> I think it's in .compiz
[21:11] <DanaG> dir.  Move it out of the way, rather than just deleting it; that's often a good policy to follow.
[21:14] <DanaG> There'll also be stuff in gconf-editor, under apps/compiz
[21:28] <Arenlor> anyone else having trouble turning off your computer?
[21:28] <mib_qzcc6wsi> hello
[21:29] <mib_qzcc6wsi> anyone here?
[21:30] <Arenlor> can we help you?
[21:30] <mib_qzcc6wsi> god i hope so
[21:30] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i tried to install unbuntu from usb and the installation went through but when i rebooted nothing, i have a cursor in the top left corner
[21:31] <mib_qzcc6wsi> it was 8.10
[21:31] <Arenlor> try to reboot again
[21:31] <mib_qzcc6wsi> ive tried a few times but ill give it another try
[21:31] <Arenlor> also try fixing x
[21:32] <mib_qzcc6wsi> fixing x? i should mention i am way over my head
[21:32] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i reboot and it goes from dell screen to the cursor quickly
[21:32] <Arenlor> without showing grub?
[21:33] <mib_qzcc6wsi> yeah nothing its weird
[21:33] <mib_qzcc6wsi> should i try to boot from usb again?
[21:33] <bsnider> try hitting escape at the cursor
[21:34] <mib_qzcc6wsi> escape gives me a beep
[21:34] <mib_qzcc6wsi> and i cant type a thing
[21:34] <mib_qzcc6wsi> its odd
[21:34] <bsnider> were you able to boot off the livecd?
[21:34] <mib_qzcc6wsi> im using usb
[21:34] <Arenlor> can you boot a livecd though?
[21:35] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i dont have access to the cd
[21:35] <mib_qzcc6wsi> im using my parents old computer and it had no cd burner
[21:35] <bsnider> how old is it?
[21:35] <mib_qzcc6wsi> its a dimension 2400
[21:36] <mib_qzcc6wsi> not that old i dont think but they never bought a cd writer
[21:36] <bsnider> you can't get a cd any other way?
[21:36] <mib_qzcc6wsi> not today and its the only weekend i have to try this
[21:36] <mib_qzcc6wsi> so am i f---ed
[21:36] <Arenlor> basically
[21:37] <Arenlor> you just need to repair grub
[21:37] <Arenlor> but to do so you need the live CD
[21:37] <bsnider> i don't know much about usb installations, but it doesn't seem to have worked
[21:37] <bsnider> did you replace the old operating system or ad another one?
[21:37] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i erased the old operating system
[21:37] <mib_qzcc6wsi> when i try to boot from usb it says "failed sbin/v86d"
[21:38] <mib_qzcc6wsi> and then everything else seems fine
[21:38] <bsnider> i might have tried an older stable ubuntu
[21:38] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i guess this was the only one to use netinstall so it was possible through a usb
[21:39] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i did boot from usb and now at desktop login does that help
[21:39] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i can login
[21:39] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i get bob@desktop:~S
[21:40] <Arenlor> did you install graphics?
[21:40] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i believe everything was installed
[21:40] <mib_qzcc6wsi> it said complete
[21:40] <mib_qzcc6wsi> is there anything i can type to find out
[21:41] <Arenlor> dir /etc/X11/
[21:42] <mib_qzcc6wsi> no such file or directoy
[21:42] <mib_qzcc6wsi> i typed "dir etc/x11/"
[21:42] <Arenlor> capital x
[21:42] <Arenlor> it's /etc/X11/
[21:42] <Arenlor> make sure you have all three slashes and correct capitalization
[21:43] <mib_qzcc6wsi> thanks that worked
[21:43] <mib_qzcc6wsi> 7 things came up
[21:43] <mib_qzcc6wsi> should i list them all?
[21:43] <Arenlor> try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[21:44] <mib_qzcc6wsi> xserver-xorg no installed
[21:45] <Arenlor> hmm you don't seem to have graphics installed
[21:45] <mib_qzcc6wsi> that doesnt sound good
[21:46] <mib_qzcc6wsi> is there a solution other than to give up and start drinking
[21:46] <Arenlor> 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[21:46] <Arenlor> but before that
[21:46] <Arenlor> 'sudo apt-get update'
[21:47] <dfgas> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:874:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave                   aplay: main:546: audio open error: Device or resource busy                            how do i fix this?
[21:47] <dfgas> opps sorry
[21:47] <dfgas> wrong chan
[21:47] <mib_qzcc6wsi> unable to get some archives, i bet i should mention that i dont have internet on it right now correct?
[21:48] <Arenlor> yeah you'll need internet access
[21:48] <mib_qzcc6wsi> let me change the internet cord and come back thanks for everything
[21:48] <mib_qzcc6wsi> so just type those two command lines?
[21:48] <Arenlor> and pray
[21:48] <mib_qzcc6wsi> sounds like a plan thanks
[21:56] <Muelli> does a netinstall image exists?
[21:57] <crimsun> yes.
[21:58] <Muelli> crimsun: nice :) I've googled for "ubuntu netinstall 8.10" but didn't get any useful results. Can you point me to an iso?
[21:58] <Arenlor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/
[21:58] <calc> hmm i'm bored with nothing better to do, maybe i'll install ubuntu+1
[21:59] <calc> my wife just told me she is using my laptop so i can't
[21:59] <Muelli> thx Arenlor :)
[21:59] <Arenlor> calc, how good are you at reinstalling?
[21:59] <Muelli> uh, which one is the netinstall image?
[21:59] <Arenlor> Alt
[22:00] <crimsun> Muelli: ia32 or amd64?
[22:00] <Muelli> crimsun: x86_64
[22:00] <Muelli> amd64, whatever
[22:01] <crimsun> Muelli: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[22:01] <timboy> at a crossroads here. gdm won't start getting a weird error with startx tried to get my nvidia 177 driver set up. worked fine with kernel 27-2 but broke in 27-3
[22:01] <Muelli> crimsun: awesome. thank you
[22:01] <crimsun> Muelli: np
[22:01] <Arenlor> I've heard a lot of 177 being broken timboy
[22:02] <crimsun> timboy: I rolled my own for 27-3.4
[22:02] <timboy> crimsun, is that pretty easy to do?
[22:03] <Muelli> crimsun: oh, is it net*boot* or netinstall? I mean, I don't want to boot off a TFTP server, I want to install the packages off the net.
[22:03] <crimsun> basically, I booted into 27-3.4 and installed the following packages: linux-headers-$(uname -r), nvidia-glx-177, dkms, build-essential, nvidia-177-kernel-source
[22:03] <crimsun> Muelli: the latter.  burn the mini.iso to a disc, boot from it, and install from the 'net.
[22:03] <Muelli> nice
[22:04] <timboy> I tried to go to 173 but it didn't work either...
[22:05] <Arenlor> yeah, heard issues about that too timboy, heard 77 works though
[22:06] <timboy> Arenlor, can't go back that far because I'm doing sli
[22:06] <crimsun> timboy: it definitely works if you use that method.  I've done it for several kernel iterations in intrepid.
[22:06] <DanaG> 77 and 96 don't work in Intrepid.
[22:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, dkms is one thing causing issues with nvidia.
[22:06] <DanaG> It's ending up with multiple versions of the nvidia driver to build... so it gives up.
[22:06] <Arenlor> DanaG I heard last night 77 and 96 do work
[22:07] <timboy> I don't understand what you mean by booted into 27-3.4
[22:07] <Arenlor> dkms fails with fglrx too
[22:07] <crimsun> I'm typing on a computer that uses 27-3.4 and 177, so I can testify that both work.
[22:08] <timboy> crimsun, ok i have 27-3 I just install those things and it works?
[22:09] <crimsun> timboy: yes.  At worst, you'll have to remove dkms and manually install (via dpkg) the dkms, nvidia-177-kernel-source, and nvidia-glx-177 packages
[22:09] <crimsun> timboy: make sure that you have the correct kernel headers installed
[22:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/209520
[22:11] <DanaG> Odd... seems like people have appended a different bug to that bug report.
[22:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/215570
[22:13] <Arenlor> well, I can't shut down
[22:13] <crimsun> Arenlor: even from a fresh boot?
[22:14] <crimsun> Arenlor: resume from suspend-to-* fails utterly for me, but I haven't chased whether it's ndiswrapper and/or Nvidia 177
[22:14] <DanaG> Wait, has nvidia 96 been fixed?  I don't think it has.
[22:14] <crimsun> DanaG: I don't believe any have been fixed, but using a single version with dkms works.
[22:14] <Arenlor> I don't suspend
[22:14] <crimsun> I can suspend, but I can't resume :P
[22:14] <DanaG> My laptop with the Go 7600 suspends and resumes fine (about 2/3 of the time).
[22:14] <crimsun> kinda makes suspend-to-* utterly useless
[22:15] <DanaG> ... but now the LCD inverter is dead.  Just died last night.  =þ
[22:15] <Arenlor> I can't shut down or reboot, Sep 13 17:08:58 charlie x-session-manager[5876]: WARNING: Unable to stop system: Not privileged for action: org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop
[22:15] <DanaG> So, now I'm leaving the 'modern' laptop up, and using the 'old' laptop to access it.
[22:15] <crimsun> ah yeah, consolekit, woo.
[22:16] <aguitel> anyone have problem with last kernel?
[22:17] <timboy> crimsun, didn't work. I tried that and I've also tried; sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-177-kernel-source && sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller stop && sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start which doesn't work either
[22:17] <Arenlor> I would have to say that the not shutting down combined with screensaver not locking is a slight issue
[22:17] <DanaG> Okay, if I want working nvidia 96, what should I do?
[22:17] <timboy> Arenlor, nah they'll fix it in 9.04 ;)
[22:17] <DanaG> I thought it was an ABI breakage.
[22:18] <Arenlor> I've been wondering, what would happen if you try to FSCK a windows partition?
[22:21] <emet> !info geany
[22:21] <DanaG> harrumph, I don't see any new changes in the nvidia-glx-96 package.
[22:24] <aguitel> the last kernel crash my nvidia settings and i work now  with 2.6.27-2-generic
[22:50]  * ikonia nods respectfully to Ronald 
[22:50] <Ronald> hej Matt!
[22:50] <ikonia> hey
[23:01] <mib_6c2p3th2> arenlor you here?
[23:02] <calc> hmm my wife finally gave me my system back :)
[23:02] <mib_6c2p3th2> damn i guess not, could anyone help me?
[23:02] <bsnider> calc, it's YOUR system
[23:03] <mib_6c2p3th2> i am in way over my head
[23:04] <bsnider> mib_6c2p3th2, i am in way over your head too
[23:04] <mib_6c2p3th2> lol
[23:05] <mib_6c2p3th2> i was so happy that i made it to the unbuntu login screen and after that worked i get treated to an olive screen and thats it, i think olive its a weird color
[23:05] <bsnider> you might consider hardy instead of intrepid
[23:06] <mib_6c2p3th2> sure sounds good but how do i go about considering hardy
[23:06] <bsnider> how did you get to where you are now?
[23:07] <mib_6c2p3th2> arenlor helped me
[23:07] <mib_6c2p3th2> i was trying to install from a usb
[23:07] <mib_6c2p3th2> he had me type "'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'"
[23:07] <bsnider> right
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> and it seemed to work and i rebooted
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> and got to unbuntu and the login screen
[23:08] <bsnider> and now you get a blank colour
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> yep
[23:08] <bsnider> is there a mouse pointer?
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> is that what im suppose to get
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> yes
[23:08] <bsnider> can you movie it?
[23:08] <mib_6c2p3th2> yes i can move mouse
[23:08] <bsnider> so the kernel is working
[23:09] <bsnider> try alt+f2
[23:09] <mib_6c2p3th2> no luck
[23:09] <bsnider> ctrl+alt+bkspc
[23:10] <mib_6c2p3th2> nothing
[23:10] <dfgas> well this is not working the way i hoped, guest additions from vbox don't allow me to resize the screen
[23:10] <mib_6c2p3th2> should i turn off computer and restart
[23:10] <bsnider> try rebooting again
[23:10] <mib_6c2p3th2> and to show how stupid i am, when the computer starts i need to boot from usb right?
[23:11] <bsnider> no
[23:11] <mib_6c2p3th2> just turn it on?
[23:11] <bsnider> yeah
[23:11] <mib_6c2p3th2> okay
[23:11] <mib_6c2p3th2> i just get a cursor in the top left corner nothing else
[23:13] <mib_6c2p3th2> am i f---ed?
[23:16] <mib_6c2p3th2> did i scare you away? i do appreciate all the help
[23:18] <bsnider> i went to get a hot drink
[23:19] <mib_6c2p3th2> oh i understand
[23:19] <mib_6c2p3th2> personally i feel like i need a cold beer, or 12
[23:20] <bsnider> without knowing what you did before, i can't really comment on what's going on now. you can't provide me with any other details. did you install on the hard drive? are you trying to run the thing entirely off the usb stick? i mean what the *(*^(& is going on here?
[23:20] <mib_6c2p3th2> i am trying to run it off the usb disk
[23:20] <bsnider> it's a usb hard drive?
[23:20] <mib_6c2p3th2> just a usb card
[23:20] <mib_6c2p3th2> i didnt have access to the cd
[23:20] <bsnider> why would you want to do that?
[23:20] <mib_6c2p3th2> im at my parents and they dont have rewriteable cd drive
[23:21] <mib_6c2p3th2> its their old computer
[23:21] <mib_6c2p3th2> arlenor thought it was a problem with graphics
[23:21] <mib_6c2p3th2> and thats why he had me type 'sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop'
[23:21] <mib_6c2p3th2> and it seemed to install and almost work
[23:22] <bsnider> you're trying to use a usb stick to install the thing ont he hard drive?
[23:22] <mib_6c2p3th2> yeah and according to the page i read it usually works
[23:22] <mib_6c2p3th2> http://www.pcmech.com/article/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-with-no-optical-drive/
[23:22] <bsnider> but you picked the wrong version of ubuntu
[23:23] <bsnider> you picked an alpha release
[23:23] <bsnider> very unstable, in other words
[23:23] <mib_6c2p3th2> yeah thats what he said
[23:23] <mib_6c2p3th2> should i think about doing it again but another version?
[23:23] <bsnider> definitely
[23:23] <bsnider> use hardy
[23:24] <mib_6c2p3th2> i guess hte problem is 8.10 is the only one with netinstall
[23:24] <bsnider> where did you get the versiont hat you put on the usb disk?
[23:24] <mib_6c2p3th2> unetbootin
[23:28] <mib_6c2p3th2> what version is hardy?
[23:29] <bsnider> 8.04
[23:30] <mib_6c2p3th2> thanks ill retry it
[23:30] <mib_6c2p3th2> thanks for all your help
[23:34] <bytor4232> 8.04.1 ;)
[23:44] <calc> bsnider: well her system is in question
[23:44] <calc> bsnider: we evacuated from Ike so don't know what's left and had to leave her desktop behind, just pulled its hard drive