[00:04] <DanaG> Contrast of the entry?
[00:08] <Cimi1> gtkentry
[00:08] <DanaG> aah.
[00:09] <DanaG> What about the shading on inactive buttons?  Would I actually have to look in the Murrine code to fix that?
[00:10] <Cimi1> what's wrong with the shading?
[00:10] <DanaG> It doesn't match.
[00:11] <Cimi1> well
[00:11] <Cimi1> use nodoka :)
[00:11] <DanaG> I have two parallel versions of gtkrc (one with Nodoka, one with Murrine).  If I start one instance of 'twf' with each one, and then overlay them and fade back and forth, it becomes more obvious.
[00:11] <DanaG> No ARGB.  :(
[00:11] <Cimi1> use nodoka!
[00:12]  * DanaG hugs Nodoka
[00:12] <Cimi1>  I dislike nodoka and I won't add anything in my code to make murrine look similar to it
[00:12] <DanaG> Why have a half-matching one at all, then?
[00:13] <DanaG> That's what I don't get.... you have the style that tries to match, but doesn't do a complete job.
[00:14] <Cimi1> I will remove the profile, then
[00:14] <Cimi1> it is so damn ugly in my opinion that it doesn't worth an inclusion
[00:15] <DanaG> Hmm.  I wouldn't say the engine itself is ugly, but Fedora's gtkrc that uses it definitely IS ugly to me.
[00:15] <DanaG> Same with their windeco -- their tweaked version is ugly; the older version looked a bit better -- but still, it only looks good in blue.
[00:15] <DanaG> I'm using the Tropic windeco, with the 'close' button not red.
[00:17] <Cimi1> try this if you want something smooth
[00:17] <Cimi1> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/node/129
[00:18] <DanaG> Smooth and non-glossy, is what it's about for me.
[00:18] <DanaG> That looks pretty good; I'd just want to tweak the colors.
[00:18] <DanaG> Oh, and no widgetfactory in the screenshot.  :þ
[00:19] <DanaG> Or heck, maybe I'd even use that color theme.
[00:19] <DanaG> I just think it a bit odd having a glossy theme on a non-glossy LCD, sometimes.
[00:20] <DanaG> The "Freezy" ones are pretty nice!
[00:20] <Cimi1> use what you want
[00:20] <Cimi1> murrine is do powerful that lets the user to achieve infinite looks
[00:21] <Cimi1> they are unique, while they are still written with the same engine!
[00:21] <DanaG> How would I un-round the outer corners of the scrollbars?
[00:22] <DanaG> If I have non-rounded inside... I find it odd having rounded outside.
[00:22] <Cimi1> check out the scrollbar widget in the gtkrc
[00:22] <Cimi1> add
[00:22] <Cimi1> engine "murrine" { roundness = 0 }
[00:22] <DanaG> Ooh, there's a debian dir... so I can dpkg-buildpkg.
[00:22] <DanaG> Cool.  That rocks.
[00:22] <DanaG> "rocks" about the debian dir.
[00:23] <Cimi1> the guy who did those themes "freezy" etc etc
[00:23] <stemount^> evening
[00:23] <Cimi1> was engaged to do a collection of murrine themes
[00:23] <Cimi1> launchpad.net/murrine-themes
[00:23] <Cimi1> he will publish something in the next week
[00:24] <DanaG> Oh yeah, his may need the style->profile fix.
[00:24] <Cimi1> yes
[00:24] <DanaG> It might be good to put a warning instead of erroring out: look for 'style' and warn that it should be changed to 'profile'.
[00:24] <Cimi1> no
[00:24] <DanaG>  twf
[00:24] <DanaG> /usr/share/themes/Caramello/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:88: error: unexpected identifier `style', expected character `}'
[00:24] <Cimi1> because
[00:24] <Cimi1> svn is not meant to be stable
[00:24] <Cimi1> so I can break api
[00:24] <DanaG> Oh, then people won't fix their themes, also.
[00:24] <DanaG> =þ
[00:25] <Cimi1> it's not my problem
[00:25] <Cimi1> they should not make themes against a development version
[00:25] <Cimi1> the legacy support is granted
[00:25] <Cimi1> try adding squaredstyle = 1
[00:25] <DanaG> Cool; instead, let the svn users fix their own themes.
[00:25] <Cimi1> you'll receive a message
[00:25] <Cimi1> no
[00:26] <DanaG> I mean, install a theme that's for non-svn, and tweak it on their own machine once they install it.
[00:26] <Cimi1> I don't want to enlarge my code just because people are making themes for an unstable version
[00:26] <DanaG> What does it say on squaredstyle?
[00:26] <kwwii> the good thing is that I won't update between releases if it breaks things and they don't get fixed :-
[00:26] <kwwii> )
[00:27] <Cimi1> kwwii: it is perfectly compatible with 0.53.1
[00:27] <Cimi1> which is stable
[00:27] <Cimi1> I haven't break the api
[00:27] <DanaG> eep, still glossy.
[00:27] <Cimi1> api = "options"
[00:27] <DanaG> Is there a way to make the thing look not glossy?
[00:27] <Cimi1> DanaG: use gradient_shades
[00:28] <Cimi1> and reduce highlight_ratio
[00:28] <DanaG> Hmm, I wonder... if I dig around in the nodoka source, perhaps I can find gradient shades.
[00:28] <DanaG> the engine source, that is.
[00:28] <Cimi1> no
[00:28] <Cimi1> gradient_shades is an exclusive of murrine
[00:28] <DanaG> It wouldn't be in the murrine format, of course -- probably more like a bit of math somewhere.
[00:29]  * Cimi1 is still wondering why are using murrine if you like nodoka
[00:29] <DanaG> ... good point there.
[00:29] <DanaG> For ARGB?  I don't know which apps use it, anyway.
[00:29] <Cimi1> kwwii: are you using style in your themes? No, so an upgrade won't break your themes
[00:30] <Cimi1> DanaG: actually RGBA is not ready for desktop porpouse
[00:31] <Cimi1> kwwii: I have renamed style to profile because those options were some option profiles
[00:31] <kwwii> Cimi1: dude, you need to write some kind of documentation
[00:31] <kwwii> please, I would pay you 50Euros
[00:31] <Cimi1> gh
[00:31] <Cimi1> kwwii: it is mark that should pay me, not you
[00:32] <Cimi1> and if I have the time, I would prefer to code for the engine rather than the documentation
[00:32] <DanaG> Oh yeah, have I shown you that 'fox in teahouse' wallpaper xml thingy?
[00:32] <rsc_> hey guys.
[00:33] <rsc_> when developing a gtk/metacity theme between 2 people, what would be a good version control solution?
[00:34]  * Cimi1 hides
[00:34] <rsc_> hah :)
[00:34] <kwwii> Cimi1: honestly, I would pay for it
[00:35] <kwwii> and I bet you could get more people to pay a little bit
[00:35] <Cimi1> kwwii: I could write something after 26th
[00:35] <DanaG> heh, random thing: google for 802.11h, you get this:
[00:36] <DanaG> 802.11 * Planck's constant = 5.3148354 × 10^-31 m2 kg / s  (google result for 802.11h)
[00:36]  * kwwii thinks you google too much
[00:37] <kwwii> Cimi1: hehe, I could use something next week :-)
[00:37] <Cimi1> kwwii: do you want me to add the fix got the entry in firefox?
[00:37] <Cimi1> there's an engine part, and a firefox patch required
[00:37] <kwwii> Cimi1: you mean the patch for the firefox menu text color?
[00:38] <Cimi1> no
[00:38] <Cimi1> I mean to get rid of the squared corners od the entry
[00:38] <kwwii> oh that would be cool
[00:38] <kwwii> what all does it require?
[00:38] <Cimi1> but you need to patch firefox
[00:38] <Cimi1> and a patch to murrine (which I can add)
[00:38] <DanaG> Oh yeah, you said: " try adding squaredstyle = 1" -- what does it do?
[00:38] <Cimi1> and one small line in the gtkrc
[00:38] <kwwii> in which way do you have to patch firefox?
[00:39] <Cimi1> DanaG: was to show you that retrocompatibility is granted
[00:39] <kwwii> I could pass it on to asac with the request that he look at the patch
[00:39] <Cimi1> kwwii: the patch is already in 3.1 trunk, but I guess it could be backported
[00:40] <kwwii> in any case it would be a decision from asac and not from myself
[00:40] <Cimi1> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546839
[00:40] <kwwii> but I can talk to him about it
[00:41] <DanaG>  selected_bg_color:#f9f995950101  in my index.theme........ why so many digits?
[00:41] <kwwii> is it a patch to gnome or to firefox?
[00:41] <Cimi1> kwwii: ff
[00:41] <kwwii> DanaG: more digits = prettier
[00:41] <kwwii> Cimi1: have you talked to asac about it before?
[00:41] <kwwii> s/before/already
[00:41] <Cimi1> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=332569
[00:41] <Cimi1> no
[00:42] <Cimi1> I'm not an ubuntu dev :)
[00:42] <Cimi1> I've just noticed you
[00:42] <kwwii> remind me of this if I forget, I will ping him
[00:42] <kwwii> he is gone on the weekend
[00:42] <Cimi1> ok
[00:43] <Cimi1> I will add the modification to murrine then
[00:44] <kwwii> dude, I have no idea if this will get through or not
[00:44] <kwwii> :-)
[00:44] <Cimi1> then means
[00:44] <Cimi1> "if it will be patched"
[00:44] <kwwii> I am not the most important person when it comes to development decisions
[00:47] <kwwii> anyway, I am going to bed now...see you soon
[11:15] <thorwil> _MMA_: i just noticed that the plates in the breathe template or not on integer pixel coordinates
[11:39] <CimiDS> Hello!
[12:28] <_MMA_> thorwil: Sorry. I'm unsure how that effects things. I already have a working script that looks to create the icons fine (not in main branch yet_. Feel free to tinker if you like. You want me to add you to the team now?
[12:34] <thorwil> _MMA_: adding to team can wait, as i play with the thought of dropping all work related to ubuntu too often, lately
[12:34] <_MMA_> o, k.
[12:35] <thorwil> _MMA_: the plate rects being out of the pixel grid is no problem when exporting, as they define the new grid. but it is much harder to align things this way, as the coords are almost useless
[12:36] <_MMA_> thorwil: Ok. I'll look at that. I never use 'em myself.
[12:37] <_MMA_> I don't mean to be short but I gotta run. Saturday morning and I gotta do some things with the family. Leave any notes you like. I'll read back later.
[12:38] <thorwil> well, have fun!
[12:38] <_MMA_> :)
[17:18]  * _MMA_ waves at Conn
[18:53] <artir> !
[18:58] <PRGUY85> hey do you guys know if the userinterface freeze will bring about the new theme for intrepid? or do we have to wait for intrepid+1
[21:27] <dashua> Great work on Dust 09132008.  Looking great w/ latest murrine snapshot.  Just had to change a few "style" to "profile" in thr gtkrc