[00:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[00:00]  * apachelogger is quite exhausted
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> funfun
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> so is our marketing strategy still screenie?
[00:03] <apachelogger> yes
[00:03] <apachelogger> we didn't have enough people around to get beyond that :P
[00:06] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I won't block on this, but please ask upstream to explicitly say the license for /kabckeyselectorbase.ui and /exportkeysbase.ui in their next release.
[00:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: what exactly is lensfun?
[00:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently I did upload kdeedu to intrepid? ;-)
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yus
[00:07] <apachelogger> ok, we need a batscript for that
[00:08]  * apachelogger thinks stuff might be missing from our kexi-kde4 package
[00:08] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: That's it based on manual review of the source.  I'm going to build it now.
[00:09] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I am not sure one should license ui files
[00:09] <apachelogger> they aren't real source after all
[00:09] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  Well he lists an author for them.
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> If it has an author, it needs a license I think
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Perhaps just drop them from debian/copyright then.
[00:11] <stdin> same for /kabckeyselectorbase.ui too?
[00:11] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Author or Copyright?
[00:12] <ScottK-laptop> Don't explictly list them in debian/copyright at all.
[00:12] <ScottK-laptop> Yes.
[00:13] <ScottK-laptop> Installing the build-dep in my chroot: "628MB of additional disk space will be used"
[00:15] <vorian> apachelogger: everyone eh?
[00:16] <apachelogger> vorian: everyone does the blog promo ... how is the amd64 cd coming along?
[00:16] <vorian> apachelogger: good
[00:18]  * apachelogger should use cached imap
[00:18] <vorian> brb
[00:18] <apachelogger> kio_imap is way too slow
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: can has promo meeting minutes?
[00:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: -devel
[00:20] <apachelogger> bug 269428 got a lazy reporter
[00:20] <apachelogger> "I don't attach screenshots because they have personal information (name, photo and email) form other people, but if it's necesary, I can edit the images first and load them."
[00:20] <apachelogger> I am so going to ask for a screenshot :P
[00:20] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: It FTBFS for me.  It does need kdepim-dev as a build-dep.
[00:21] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: make[3]: *** [CMakeFiles/kopete_cryptography.dir/cryptographyplugin.o] Error 1
[00:21] <stdin> it used to only need kdepim, I guess it changed in the releases since I last packaged
[00:26] <ScottK-laptop> OK, well that FTBFS is after I added kdepim-dev
[00:35] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: apparently it needs boost: /usr/include/kleo/decryptverifyjob.h:38:32: error: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory
[00:36] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: OK.  Please update the build-dep along with the other changes and upload.  I'll look at that one.
[00:40] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: that's actually a bug in kdepim, -dev should depend on libboost-dev
[00:40] <ScottK-laptop> Interesting.
[00:43] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: I think you need to build-dep on it directly.
[00:45] <stdin> the reall error is "In file included from /tmp/buildd/kopete-cryptography-1.3.0-kde4.1.1/cryptographyplugin.cpp:46: /usr/include/kleo/decryptverifyjob.h:38:32: error: boost/shared_ptr.hpp: No such file or directory", and decryptverifyjob.h is from kdepim-dev
[00:45] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I'll buy that.
[00:45] <stdin> and kdepim build-deps on libboost-dev too, so the -dev should have it
[00:46] <ScottK-laptop> Hmmm.  None of the other -dev packages are there.
[00:46] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: ksudoku moved from individual package to kdegames, would I file a binary + source removal or just source?
[00:46] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Just source after you've uploaded the new kdegames.
[00:46] <apachelogger> well, it is in games since first KDE 4 upload ;-)
[00:47] <stdin> builds ok with libboost-dev, uploaded to revu
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[00:48] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: What do you think about adding all the -dev build-dep for kdepim to kdepim-dev?
[00:50] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Very sensible IMHO.
[00:51] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: OK.  I'll do that next.
[00:51] <stdin> that'd mean both libboost-dev and libgpgme11-dev can be removed from kopete-cryptography build-deps after
[00:52] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.
[00:52] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I advocated.  Your turn: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kopete-cryptography
[00:52] <apachelogger> meh, I wanted to catch up on bug mails :P
[00:53] <apachelogger> NCommander: when does REVU get it's oxygen icons?
[00:53] <ScottK-laptop> Any other kdepim changes lying around?
[00:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: you should query LP for bugs with patches
[00:54] <ScottK-laptop> I am.
[00:54] <apachelogger> otherwise kdepim is a big black whole to me :P
[00:55] <vorian> at least it spirals
[00:56] <stdin> oh, apachelogger, about your kubuntu-bugs request. seeing as it's had no response try posting it on launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com
[00:56] <apachelogger> I am not subscribed there.
[00:56] <apachelogger> stdin: could you please? :)
[00:56] <stdin> yeah, sure
[00:57] <Hobbsee> what is it?  a ML request?
[00:58] <stdin> Hobbsee: request that an LP admin get in contact with the person that owns it, to ask if they could let us use it
[00:58] <stdin> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/44672
[00:59] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:02] <stdin> apachelogger: sent
[01:07] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: You just changed the kde4bindings bug I just 'fixed' in my last upload to Invalid.  Do I need to unfix it?
[01:08] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: kdebindings was invalid, kde4bindings seems just right
[01:08] <apachelogger> stdin: thank you
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Ah.  OK.  Thaks.
[01:10] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[01:10] <apachelogger> hm
[01:10] <apachelogger> stdin: What is the point of the get-orig-source target?
[01:10] <stdin> apachelogger: ScottK-laptop asked me to add it because the tarball is a .bz2
[01:11] <apachelogger> hm
[01:11] <apachelogger> uscan says:
[01:11] <apachelogger> -- Successfully downloaded updated package kopete-cryptography-1.3.0-kde4.1.1.tar.bz2
[01:11] <apachelogger>     and symlinked kopete-cryptography_1.3.0-kde4.1.1.orig.tar.bz2 to it
[01:11] <apachelogger> Which makes the get-orig-source target pretty obsolete IMHO.
[01:11] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: But you still need to turn it into a tar.gz
[01:11] <apachelogger> hm
[01:12] <apachelogger> true
[01:12]  * apachelogger misread ;-)
[01:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you poke upstream with the gtk-qt-engine issues?
[01:14]  * JontheEchidna can't find a polite way to says "your code is buggy"
[01:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: "The ubersized ubuntu community found some glitches in gtk-qt-engine which might be of interst for you"
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> well, he did subscribe himself to a number of the bugs
[01:16] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: You're missing a K.
[01:16] <stdin> "Fix your damn code, dawg!" :p
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> so I think he's aware of the issues
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> and he has been committing translation updates
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> I just think real life (tm) happened
[01:17] <apachelogger> I think reducing complex stuff to gtk is just not much fun :P
[01:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 268864 ;-)
[01:19]  * apachelogger is wondering if there is a bug about Amarok not calling the library library but collection 
[01:20] <apachelogger> hum, weak
[01:21] <apachelogger> stdin: -crypto should really be using the defaut key from kmail :P
[01:23] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot107.png which keys do you think is it fetching?
[01:25] <apachelogger> stdin: 3 lines in copyright exceed 80 characters
[01:26] <apachelogger> + DEBIAN_DIR := $(shell echo ${MAKEFILE_LIST} | awk '{print $$1}' | xargs dirname ) |||| the shell experession starts without inital whitespace but ends with one
[01:26] <apachelogger> stdin: uploading
[01:26] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: BTW, that lintian test is getting dropped in the next lintian update.  I wouldn't worry too much (the copyright one_.
[01:26] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: it is more about me and my terminal size ;-)
[01:27] <apachelogger> luckily I was in a mood for katering
[01:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[01:28] <stdin> apachelogger: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#ChangingOrigTarball is where that line is from
[01:28] <apachelogger> that is no excuse for bad source formatting!
[01:28] <stdin> when the guide is wrong, then it is an excuse ;)
[01:28] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I am really wondering why openid works with REVU.
[01:30] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload
[01:32] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: It's a wiki.
[01:33] <apachelogger> oh, nice FFe he got there :D
[01:37] <ScottK-laptop> Right, I'll review it after the FFe.
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> I'd rather wait for Riddell to say he wants it.
[01:38] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Riddell wants all the plasmoid we can get I think
[01:38] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[01:39] <ScottK-laptop> Ack'ed.  Needs two though.
[01:45] <apachelogger> This plasmoids is totally KDE 3.
[01:56] <jjesse> evening
[01:56] <vorian> hi jjesse
[01:56] <jjesse> how ar eyou?
[01:57] <vorian> good
[01:57] <vorian> just watching the OSU game
[01:57] <vorian> :/
[01:57] <vorian> :)
[01:57] <vorian> :(
[01:57] <jjesse> i hope OSU looses ;)
[01:57] <vorian> too bad for your guys
[01:58] <jjesse> after embarsement of michigan
[01:58] <jjesse> how many freakin fumbles can they give up?
[01:58] <vorian> haha
[01:58] <vorian> HAHA
[01:58] <vorian> HAHAHAHA
[01:58] <vorian> ok, better now
[01:58] <vorian> and to NotreDame?
[01:58] <vorian> sheesh
[01:58] <vorian> that's almost like Apalachian State
[01:59] <jjesse> yeah almost
[01:59] <vorian> they had some Rudy today though
[02:00] <jjesse> yeah they did
[02:00] <jjesse> norte dame played tough
[02:00] <vorian> if osu loses, it will be 10 years before the Big 10 gets any cred back
[02:01] <jjesse> at least
[02:01] <vorian> we suck lately
[02:01] <jjesse> i just came from SEC country and they mock the big ten all the time
[02:01] <vorian> :(
[02:02] <vorian> I grew up in SEC country
[02:02] <vorian> i always hated the Big 10
[02:02] <jjesse> why?
[02:03] <vorian> don't know
[02:03] <vorian> :)
[02:03] <vorian> it's what everyone else was doing
[02:03] <vorian> you know, Arkansas hated Michigan ( basketball )
[02:04] <vorian> that's about it really
[02:04] <vorian> oh, the big 8 was a hated conference too
[02:04] <vorian> those darn Tigers
[02:05] <vorian> osu is doing much better than i thought they would to start off
[02:05] <jjesse> agreed
[02:47] <jjesse> oooo new grub editor tool in system settings
[02:47] <jjesse> that's pretty cool
[02:56] <jjesse> what's the difference between Printing and system-config-printer kde?
[02:56] <vorian> sheminie
[02:56] <vorian> i hate this game
[02:57] <jjesse> no longer watching not going very well?
[02:59] <vorian> no
[02:59] <vorian> every time there is a break through play, there seems to be a magical penalty
[03:00] <vorian> it's magic
[03:24] <ScottK> Cool.
[03:24] <ScottK> Just did hibernate/resume in the middle of a kdepim testbuild and it just keeps going ...
[03:25] <vorian> cool
[03:59] <ScottK> NCommander: You see my kde4bindings/hppa pain?
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK: no
[04:01]  * NCommander just woke up
[04:01] <ScottK> NCommander: OK.  See the scrollback.  lpia is fixed, hppa is not.  Thanks.
[04:01] <NCommander> ScottK: build log?
[04:02] <ScottK> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17598822/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.kde4bindings_4:4.1.1-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:03] <ScottK> Apparently it still tried to compile the mono stuff even without the build-deps
[04:04] <NCommander> It doesn't actually try to compile, just execute the install rules
[04:04] <NCommander> Hrm
[04:05] <NCommander> YOu didn't add !hppa to the .NET packages
[04:05] <NCommander> Architecture: any :-P
[04:05] <ScottK> Urgh.  I didn't
[04:05] <NCommander> SHould be any [!hppa]
[04:06] <ScottK> That's what I have here.
[04:07] <NCommander> This is what happens when you package when tired
[04:08] <ScottK> OK.  I'm tired and you just woke up.  Care to roll me a debdiff to fix it.
[04:09] <NCommander> :-P
[04:12]  * ScottK is not kidding.
[04:14] <NCommander> I know
[04:14] <NCommander> Still :-P
[04:15] <ScottK> In any case, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17596075/kde4bindings_4%3A4.1.1-0ubuntu2_4%3A4.1.1-0ubuntu3.diff.gz seems to be plenty full of [!hppa] to me.
[04:16] <NCommander> ScottK: yeah, apt-get soure grabbed 0ubuntu2 instead of 3 so I fail
[04:17]  * NCommander needs to trackdown a HPPA machine someone will help me hack on
[04:17] <ScottK> NCommander: Do a test package with [!lpia] and throw it at a ppa.
[04:22] <NCommander> ScottK: Well, it seems I was wrong about any !hppa
[04:22] <ScottK> OK.
[04:23] <NCommander> I'm going to test two things, then I'll have a patch for you
[04:23] <ScottK> OK.
[04:24] <NCommander> ScottK: I'll also have ktorrent for you in a few minutes
[04:25] <ScottK> NCommander: I'm just about dead here.  It may have to wait.
[04:26]  * NCommander shoves a coffee funnel down scott's throat
[04:26] <NCommander> LIVE DAMN IT
[11:50]  * NCommander pokes Riddell
[11:59]  * apachelogger pokes NCommander
[12:01]  * NCommander explodes
[12:29]  * apachelogger hates it when people remove the file extensions -.-
[12:40] <NCommander> apachelogger: ew
[12:40] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:40] <apachelogger> NCommander: when is REVU getting oxygen icons? ;-)
[12:40] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[12:40] <NCommander> apachelogger: talk to RainCT
[12:41]  * apachelogger is too shy :S
[12:54] <apachelogger> \sh: ping
[13:07] <vorian> haha
[13:07] <vorian> apachelogger: you shy?
[13:07] <apachelogger> yus :S
[13:07] <knome> bah
[13:07] <apachelogger> though
[13:07]  * knome doesn't agree apachelogger being shy
[13:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: you could send RainCT in here
[13:08] <NCommander> k
[13:08] <knome> what should one ask from him?
[13:08] <apachelogger> oxygen icons for REVU
[13:08]  * apachelogger would love to see oxygen on REVU :)
[13:08] <knome> what is revu?
[13:09] <apachelogger> knome: package reviewing system thing - http://revu.ubuntuwire.com
[13:10] <apachelogger> bug 79386
[13:10] <apachelogger> I am wondering how he would access that documentation
[13:11] <knome> apachelogger, i can ask him :P
[13:11] <apachelogger> knome: I am not going to stop you :P AFAIK NCommander already sent him a patch
[13:11] <knome> k
[13:12] <knome> done
[13:12] <knome> you want me to paste you that launchpad url as well?
[13:13] <knome> *him
[13:15] <apachelogger> knome: probably not :P
[13:15] <knome> k
[13:15] <knome> i said that he could join #kubuntu-devel and ask you if he needs more info :P
[13:16] <apachelogger> knome: thx
[13:16] <knome> np
[13:17] <knome> i'm not afraid of speaking to people :P
[13:17] <NCommander> apachelogger: I didn't send him a patch, he told me he was going to add them on his own I thought
[13:18] <gribelu> I purged qt4-qtconfig and when i reinstalled it i got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/46840/
[13:18] <apachelogger> okay
[13:18] <gribelu> the system used to be hardy, upgraded to intrepid
[13:19] <gribelu> is there any way to search by package version or something? i'd be curious to see if the are any hardy ppa packages left
[13:19] <apachelogger> me@apoc { ~ }$ apt-cache show qt4-qtconfig | grep Ver
[13:19] <apachelogger> Version: 4.4.1-0ubuntu2
[13:19] <apachelogger> no good
[13:19] <gribelu> should be 1ubuntu i think
[13:19] <apachelogger> holy
[13:19] <apachelogger> barracuda
[13:19] <apachelogger> batman!
[13:21] <apachelogger> gribelu: report a bug
[13:21] <RainCT> Hi
[13:23] <RainCT> knome, NCommander, apachelogger: ping
[13:23] <apachelogger> RainCT: heya
[13:23] <knome> hello RainCT
[13:23] <apachelogger> RainCT: so, how about making REVU use oxygen icons? ;)
[13:23] <RainCT> (s/ping/pong)
[13:23] <gribelu> apachelogger: ok.. trying :) Not sure how to describe the bug but i'll try
[13:23] <RainCT> uhm.. and what's the rationale for that? xD
[13:24] <apachelogger> jtechidna: *poke* we need to merge qt 4.1.1-1 from experimental
[13:24] <jtechidna> weren't we going to merge KDE too?
[13:24] <apachelogger> RainCT: it looks nice and consistent, unlike the current icons
[13:24] <NCommander> RainCT: condition of my Kubuntu membership, you said you were using oxygen icons for comments/advocations
[13:25] <jtechidna> apachelogger: I assume we have a standing feature freeze for things such as these?
[13:25] <jtechidna> *standing feature freeze exception
[13:25] <apachelogger> jtechidna: merges mostly just change the packaging, so we won't need one ;-)
[13:25] <jtechidna> kool
[13:25] <apachelogger> otherwise we would have to wait for jr
[13:26]  * jtechidna hasn't merged before, should be fun :D
[13:26] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:26] <apachelogger> qt4-x11 is a pita to merge
[13:26] <jtechidna> I did sit on on jr's last merging tut on kubuntu tutorial day
[13:26] <jtechidna> *in on
[13:26] <apachelogger> just like the most important KDE modules are
[13:27] <NCommander> I can merge it
[13:27] <NCommander> er wait
[13:27]  * NCommander runs
[13:27] <apachelogger> lol
[13:27] <gribelu> apachelogger: agaist which package you i think i should file that bug?
[13:27] <NCommander> why is it a pita to merge?
[13:28] <apachelogger> gribelu: qt4-x11, but make clear that this issue is caused by the kde4 ppa rather than anything official
[13:28] <RainCT> NCommander: I don't see any reason why whe would want to change the icons to which everybody is already used to, but well.. you have commit rights :P
[13:28] <NCommander> well, REVU is already in KDE blue ;-)
[13:29] <jtechidna> apachelogger: basically we take the debian packaging and add back all applicable changes since the last merge?
[13:29] <apachelogger> yus, oxygen would go well with the current color scheme ;-)
[13:29] <jtechidna> documenting everything, of course
[13:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: debain kde has a different traget user group, so we have to decided for every patch if it actually is useful to us
[13:29] <NCommander> apachelogger: what does debian kde do to their qt4?
[13:30] <apachelogger> jtechidna: there are different approaches, the most common way would be to take the current debian package, and pull in the changes as documented in the changelog/KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES file
[13:30] <apachelogger> NCommander: they patch half their KDE stack to not build recursive
[13:30] <apachelogger> becuase they can't wait for KDE to do that in 4.2
[13:31] <RainCT> NCommander: change them if you want, but if persia blames you that's your problem ;P
[13:31]  * apachelogger will send persia some cookies
[13:31] <NCommander> persia already blames me for blue REVU
[13:31] <NCommander> That being said, I still believe its easier on the eyes
[13:31] <apachelogger> +1
[13:31] <jtechidna> +1
[13:32] <NCommander> \o/
[13:32] <apachelogger> oh, now I know what I wanted to say at the marketing meeting
[13:32] <apachelogger> we need new colors :D
[13:32] <RainCT> NCommander: and norsetto blames you for the font size :P  (an option to select different CSS files is in progress, btw)
[13:32] <NCommander> black and gold
[13:32] <NCommander> RainCT: yes well, I didn't expect anyone to WANT large fonts
[13:33] <apachelogger> one could of course zoom in :)
[13:33] <jtechidna> may I suggest my plasma theme for our new color scheme? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/A+Pimp+Named+Slickback+%28for+the+contest%29?content=77640
[13:33] <gribelu> apachelogger: i hope it's ok https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/270114
[13:33] <apachelogger> aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:33] <jtechidna> the note pad even has spinners \o/
[13:34] <apachelogger> jtechidna: that is so 90'
[13:34] <apachelogger> s
[13:34] <jtechidna> I made it in one day in inkscape as a joke
[13:34] <apachelogger> did that inkscape have no GTK theming?
[13:34] <knome> lol
[13:34] <knome> i'm using ~color scheme for my client
[13:35] <apachelogger> gribelu: btw, QT == QuickTime
[13:36] <gribelu> yes yes
[13:36] <gribelu> everyone knows that
[13:36] <knome> not everybody in the world
[13:36] <apachelogger> why do you report a QT4 bug against Qt 4 then :P
[13:37] <gribelu> ah so the case is a problem? hah
[13:37] <gribelu> too much for me
[13:38] <gribelu> someone should come up with qT
[13:38] <gribelu> then we'll all be happy
[13:40] <gribelu> libstrigiqtdbusclient0 [0.5.11-1ubuntu0~hardy0~ppa1 (now) -> 0.5.11-1 (intrepid)]
[13:40] <gribelu> and another one
[13:41] <gribelu> new bug? or just comment on the other one?
[13:44] <gribelu> there's actualy even more of them http://paste.ubuntu.com/46851/
[13:46] <gribelu> so is there no way of search for packages with "hardy" in their version string?
[13:46] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:46] <apachelogger> gribelu: add everything to that bug report
[13:56] <NCommander> hey devfil
[13:56]  * apachelogger moves out for coffee and cookies
[13:56] <apachelogger> NCommander: when I am back, I want to see shiny new icons on revu :P
[13:57] <knome> hmm
[13:57] <knome> coffee
[13:57] <knome> not a bad idea
[13:57] <devfil> hi NCommander
[13:57]  * NCommander smacks apachelogger
[13:57] <devfil> hi to all
[13:57] <knome> apachelogger, say hello to yer parents :P
[13:57] <NCommander> devfil: whats your feelings on the new firefox EULA?
[13:58] <devfil> NCommander: I don't like firefox at all...
[13:58] <NCommander> devfil: what do you use?
[13:59] <devfil> NCommander: midori (ubuntu) konqueror (kubuntu), I really like webkit
[14:00] <NCommander> I can tell
[14:00]  * NCommander is considerig proposing removal of firefox with abrowser replacing it in the kubuntu seed
[14:04] <devfil> NCommander: written in qt there is also arora
[14:10]  * |gunni| keeps using firefox because of all the useful plugins
[14:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: lensfun is a library for image corrections, it can be used by digikam
[15:19] <gribelu> hmm.. my Qt apps don't use kde's colors. If i reapply the "Apply colors to non-KDE applications" option while a Qt app is running, the colors will be used instantly though. But after i restart the app they are gone again
[15:20] <gribelu> same goes for apps using gtk-qt
[15:20] <gribelu> anyone else having this problem?
[15:20] <mcas> hi
[15:20] <mcas> i have two bugs in launchpad about the welcome sound
[15:21] <mcas> one from hardy one from intrepid
[15:21] <mcas> bug 270113
[15:21] <mcas> and bug 260270
[15:22] <mcas> do you think these bugs are duplicate?
[15:33] <jtechidna> mcas: yes
[15:33] <mcas> thanks jtechidna
[15:55] <apachelogger> devfil: qwebview is at this time not completely ready for default installation
[15:56] <apachelogger> I plan on changing the konqueror backend to webkitkde once Qt 4.5 is out
[15:56] <apachelogger> neversfelde: for what version of digikam?
[15:56] <devfil> apachelogger: qwebview? I hope you are talking about qwebkit :)
[15:57] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I think it is 0.10 beta3
[15:57] <apachelogger> devfil: there is no such thing as qwebkit, go read the docs :P
[15:57] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no high priority then
[15:57] <neversfelde> k
[15:57] <devfil> apachelogger: there is a module called qtwebkit
[15:58] <apachelogger> true
[15:58] <apachelogger> anyways, not ready in 4.4
[15:59]  * devfil didn't know the existence of qwebview
[16:00] <apachelogger> devfil: it's the major widget of qtwebkit
[16:00] <devfil> ok
[16:07] <apachelogger> someone please try to reproduce bug 270137
[16:07]  * apachelogger doesn't seem to be able to
[16:07] <apachelogger> NCommander: still no nu icons :'-(
[16:07] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[16:09] <jtechidna> apachelogger: that's an nvidia driver issue
[16:09] <jtechidna> RENDER corruption
[16:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:09] <apachelogger> I hate nvidia -.-
[16:09] <apachelogger> jtechidna: please move the bug around
[16:09] <apachelogger> or duplicate
[16:09] <jtechidna> actually I haven't seen any bug reports
[16:10] <jtechidna> lol, they still didn't fix the bug where the ball goes in the walls
[16:10] <jussi01> nope, not an nvidia bug - I have it here on hardy with an ati
[16:10] <jussi01> apachelogger: ^^
[16:10]  * jtechidna doesn't have it on hardy with nv
[16:11] <jtechidna> *intrepid
[16:11] <apachelogger> jussi01: so it is an X issue
[16:11] <apachelogger> or maybe just closed source stuff
[16:11] <jussi01> apachelogger: Id say so
[16:11] <jtechidna> apachelogger: ati drivers could have the bug too
[16:11] <apachelogger> maybe we should close as "don't use closed source crap"
[16:12] <jtechidna> nah
[16:12] <jussi01> rofl
[16:12] <jussi01> my card: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series]
[16:12] <jtechidna> jussi01: using the fglrphoafhasz drivers?
[16:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:13]  * jtechidna never remembers how their spelled
[16:13] <jtechidna> to many consanants scrunched together
[16:13] <jtechidna> fglrx I think
[16:13] <jussi01> jtechidna: yeah
[16:15] <apachelogger> jtechidna: bug 144756
[16:16] <apachelogger> I consider this a bug, what do you think?
[16:16] <jtechidna> I consider that title engrish :P
[16:17] <jtechidna> I think it's more of a wishlist for KDE to directly manage the low-level proxy stuffs
[16:20] <apachelogger> jtechidna: well, think about it from a user point of view
[16:21] <apachelogger> you have one proxy setting, this setting should apply _everywhere_
[16:21] <apachelogger> either on a user base level or in case the configuring user also got sudo access, on a global level
[16:22] <jtechidna> eh, then I'd mark it as low and forward it as wishlist
[16:39] <apachelogger> jtechidna: do we have any canidates for package training?
[16:39] <jtechidna> that dude who is doing plasmoid-cpuload
[16:39] <apachelogger> that dood is up at all weird times :P
[16:45] <jussi01> Hrm, is there a terminal plasmoid yet?
[16:45] <apachelogger> no
[16:45] <apachelogger> needs some changes in konsole which will only get in 4.2
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do fix_target_link_libraries patches do?
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: where?
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> in kdeutils
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> debian
[16:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: 4.2 will be in intrepid, no?
[16:46] <apachelogger> probably reorder the libraries it is linked against
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you don't need to pull it in if it builds fine without it
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but make sure you mention it in KUBUNTU-DEBIAN-DIFFERENCES
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> jussi01: considering intrepid comes out next month and 4.2 comes out in january, I'd say no :P
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually I'm pbuilding with it at the moment
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> (with the patch)
[16:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well you know my POV on patches ;-)
[16:48] <apachelogger> having a useless patch doesn't exactly make it any better
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> The patch basically adds this: ${KDE4_KDECORE_LIBS} ${KDE4_KIO_LIBS})
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> to kgpg's link library target
[16:49] <apachelogger> might be necessary for debian
[16:49] <apachelogger> because they don't link recursive by default
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's what you were talking earlier about recursive building?
[16:52] <apachelogger> yes, by default cmake in KDE 4.1 will link recursive so for example very low level deps will show up in the deb, while the actually content doesn't depend on that stuff at all
[16:52] <apachelogger> but e.g. kdelibs does, so the application would be linked against the low level stuff as well
[16:52] <apachelogger> which is of course a PITA when e.g. libc7 gets released ;-)
[16:52] <apachelogger> rebuilding all of KDE \o/
[16:53] <apachelogger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GNU_IceCat_3.0.1-g1_about_lhe.png
[16:53] <apachelogger> all the beauty of gtk :P
[17:06]  * goatsocks likes the icecat logo
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do you think about this one? bug 270006
[17:16] <yuriy> isn't that an option in software properties?
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but I think he wants adept to download the packages
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> then send out the notification
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> which is quite silly imo
[17:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: what do I need to do when I'm done merging?
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> make a debdiff?
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> file a bug and upload everything?
[17:29] <apachelogger> debdiff is enough
[17:29] <apachelogger> well, bug + debdiff then subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[17:29] <apachelogger> or better let me review the changes first :P
[17:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, you would upload current ubuntu -> current debian, current ubuntu -> merge and current debian -> merge debdiffs
[17:31] <apachelogger> makes it easier to avoid regressions
[17:31] <JontheEchidna> so which do you wanna see first?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> debian + merged?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> s/+/->
[17:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: all 3
[17:33] <JontheEchidna> okie
[17:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, I don't agree on the wont fix of bug 270006
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> why?
[17:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IIRC software-properties-kde does have an option to auto-install secruity updates
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, but that does everything in the background
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> which you can do with normal updates too
[17:35] <apachelogger> well
[17:35] <apachelogger> you can apt-get -d
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> what does that do?
[17:35] <apachelogger> there is no problem with downloading the stuff, then just let the user decide when to process the downloads
[17:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just download but not install
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> but the user would still be notified about updates while they were downloading in the background
[17:36] <apachelogger> just needs to be changed
[17:36]  * JontheEchidna just thinks it's silly
[17:36] <apachelogger> well, you could ask for the report's use case
[17:37]  * apachelogger doesn't really think if you download the stuff as it comes in or all at once at update time
[17:37] <apachelogger> ...does matter
[17:38] <apachelogger> The windows usecase is pretty obvious, as it install stuff by default in background it can make doom very unentertaining ;--)
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> I think in this case the user just wants to lower the percieved install time
[17:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, that is understandable, isn't it?
[17:45] <apachelogger> my laptop is updaing for half an hour now ;-)
[17:45] <apachelogger> *updating
[17:46] <ScottK> NCommander: Any word on kde4network and hppa?
[17:47] <NCommander> ScottK: I sorta got sidetracked last night on it >.>;
[17:47] <apachelogger> hm, that firefox eula thread is growing and growing and growin
[17:48]  * apachelogger thinks it might eat malone
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sent debdiffs
[17:49]  * JontheEchidna just clicks ok on the eula and doesn't care
[17:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so really supposed to be in kdepim-dev for real and not as a symlink?
[17:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's a qt designer pluign
[17:51] <apachelogger> One wouldn't really need it at runtime.
[17:51] <ScottK> OK, then we need to change kdepim-dev to arch any.
[17:51]  * ScottK will add that to the upload he's prepping.
[17:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you check that nothin build-depends on kdeutils-dev?
[18:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yup
[18:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdeutils-dbg depends and suggests kdeutils ;-)
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> oops, forgot to remove the suggests
[18:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: changelog got one extra line
[18:04] <apachelogger> and you broke the changelog
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> broke it?
[18:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you take our changelog, search the last merge, then put in the changes debian did in the meanwhile
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> so take all the changelog entries since our last merge from debian's changelog file
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> and insert them in between the new merge and the last ubuntu change?
[18:08] <ScottK> NCommander: Don't we need to get those binaries added to packages-arch-specific?
[18:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: technically you should order them
[18:08] <apachelogger> according to version number
[18:09] <JontheEchidna> well, whomever merged last forgot to bump up the debian number
[18:09] <ScottK> apachelogger: I thought it was by date?
[18:09] <apachelogger> hm
[18:09] <apachelogger> might be
[18:09] <ScottK> Usually that gets you the same answer, but not always.
[18:09]  * apachelogger is rusty on merging
[18:11] <NCommander> ScottK: You'll have to get it added in Debian, Ubuntu doesn't have its own p-a-s
[18:11] <NCommander> Having the arch field should do the trick, I need to just test one last thing
[18:11] <ScottK> OK, I'll be off for a while.
[18:11] <apachelogger> ScottK: Ubuntu wiki doesn't tell
[18:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just take a look at the changelog and check how jr did it
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: either he obliterated the changelog to, or we didn't have any differences
[18:13] <JontheEchidna> s/differences/releases
[18:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe check qt4-x11 or kde4libs
[18:14] <apachelogger> he definitely merged one of these :P
[18:15]  * JontheEchidna just ordered everything by date
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> 22:30 < Riddell> emacs lets me edit both the new and old changelog files at once
[18:17] <JontheEchidna> 22:31 < Riddell> I copy all the existing changelog file and use it to replace the entries from 0.9.6-1 in the new one
[18:17]  * JontheEchidna doesn't get that
[18:20]  * apachelogger neither 
[18:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I guess he is talking about split viewing
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> well yeah
[18:20] <apachelogger> which probably makes sense
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> but, replace the entries in which file?
[18:21] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:21] <apachelogger> you shouldn't realy replace stuff
[18:22] <apachelogger> +l
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: Riddell replaces all previous ubuntux entries with the entire debian changelog
[18:22] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[18:23] <apachelogger> certainly not best practice
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> anyway, should ordering by date be good?
[18:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> notice anything else yet?
[18:23] <apachelogger> nah, looks good otherwise
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> kool
[18:32] <NCommander> ew
[18:32] <NCommander> That's bad merging
[18:33] <apachelogger> ♥ no-merging
[18:33] <apachelogger> now what did I want
[18:33] <apachelogger> right
[18:33] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have time for a hardy ppa backport?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> sure
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> what needs backported?
[18:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gtk-qt-engine
[18:35] <apachelogger> just need to know how
[18:36] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think we should do a plain backport (just exchange the cdbs)
[18:36] <apachelogger> gtk-qt-engine is hardcoding it's theme path to the .gtkrc, so even if -kde4 is installed it would use the qt 3 version
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> whee
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll do it in a little bit
[18:37] <apachelogger> so we probably should replace gtk-qt-engine completely with the intrepid version and force the qt 3 version to disappear
[18:37] <apachelogger> which fixes the flash crashes
[18:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://volatile-minds.blogspot.com/2008/09/trouble-with-kde-and-wifi-bcm43xx.html
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> bug 270168 is real helpful
[19:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lol
[19:19]  * JontheEchidna likes the idea of renaming firefox to Godzilla Firecox
[19:19] <knome> cox like cocks?
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> fireroosters :P
[19:20] <knome> bah
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> interpret it how you will, but I got a chuckle out of it
[19:23] <NCommander> How about Ferce Crud for the new FF :-)
[20:03]  * apachelogger thinks half of launchpad is in revu-uploaders
[20:07] <ScottK-palm> NCommander: I've got an FTBFS for you to look at.  how about samba4?
[20:08] <ScottK-palm> Anyone here with Kubuntu Intrepid multi-head up for some testing?
[20:09] <NCommander> ScottK-palm: I can be multi-head
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> If you are, look in guidance-power-manager (sorry, don't have the bug #) and look for the most recently changed bug.
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> It's got a patch that looks reasonable to meam but ought to get test.
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> test/tested
[20:10] <ScottK-palm> Gotta run.
[20:37] <dsfds> THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org
[20:37] <dsfds> THE BEST IRC SERVER ==> /server globalirc.zapto.org
[20:38] <jpds> Quite.
[20:49] <NCommander> jpds: do we have any ops in #kubuntu-*
[20:50] <goatsocks> NCommander: Riddell opped himself the other day
[20:50] <vorian> yes
[20:51] <vorian> there are also staffers lurking here
[20:51] <NCommander> I assume those are members of ubuntu-irc?
[20:51] <goatsocks> the irc ip of the spammer matches the ip the spammed URL resolves too... looks like a joe-job ;)
[20:52] <vorian> that spammer is no longer with us
[20:52] <goatsocks> s/too/to/
[20:52] <JontheEchidna> vorian: bug 269938 and bug 269896
[20:53] <vorian> ta!
[20:54]  * NCommander claps at vorian's magic
[20:55] <vorian> hmm?
[20:55] <vorian> i want magic!
[20:57] <vorian> JontheEchidna: these wouldn't happen to be on revu would they?
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> vorian: nope
[20:57] <vorian> bother
[20:57] <vorian> ok
[20:57] <vorian> :)
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> somebody's been having fun with python this weekend
[21:09] <vorian> whoa
[21:09] <vorian> wind is picking up
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> Heh: http://websvn.kde.org/tags/powerdevil/
[23:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: ping