[00:43] o/ [00:58] emma: while you may be allowed to use the font, doesn't that domain name fall as something you *can't* use, by the policy? [01:02] * Hobbsee also notes that inferring everything else *isn't* free also probably won't go down well. [01:08] gerry it is, then. [01:10] errr, the trademarks@ubuntu.com address doesn't even seem to work. [01:10] er, scratch that. [01:18] Hi [01:18] any launchpadlib guru around? :) [01:19] Hobbsee, actually there are quite a few Ubuntu fansites that use the name Ubuntu in the name. I don't see anything wrong with it personally [01:19] I'm having some problems with the ssl certs, actually the certs chain order [01:19] emet: i don't like various implications, such as the fact that the rest of the ubuntu community *isn't* free. *shrug* [01:20] emet: and i'm unfortunately aware of some of the stuff behind it. [01:23] The issue with trademarks is that they *must* be defended to be maintained, or they are lost (consider the word "Aspirin" in various countries: in some places it's a name for acetylsalicylic acid, in others it's a brand name) [01:24] The Ubuntu trademark policy generally permits use for anything actually related to Ubuntu as Ubuntu the distribution, but the asking procedure is required to maintain the trademark. [01:31] persia - yeah. club-ubuntu is just a group of people who love ubuntu. We aren't selling anything and we don't think we are the only group of people who are free, that's just a line that someone wrote on the page while it's under construction. I'm not at all sure what Hobbsee is concerned about. [01:33] Anyhow I showed Mark the logo we are going to use and all that. And as was pointed out there are a zillion other ubuntu websites with the name ubuntu. So we are fine. [01:33] Verterok: you'll probably need to come back during the european working week. [01:33] emma: It's just a matter of making a formal request for record keeping purposes. In the absence of a formal request, problems could arise. For more guidace, you want to speak with counsel (which I'm not). [01:36] Hobbsee: thanks, I'll back later. [05:28] Rinchen, do you have a time frame for the release of the OpenID LP plugin for drupal? [05:28] Francis did briefly mention that you were clearing some paper work in order to open it to the public... I thought I should ask [06:02] morning [06:03] i've problem submitting new bug reports with attached (log) file to LP [06:04] at first I thought LP is refusing them due to not using primary email address, but now I see that even though bug request is signed with my primary-address-key, it is refused with "To report bugs by e-mail, you need to sign the message with an OpenPGP key [06:04] that is registered in Launchpad." [06:46] kiko: You're the PPA guy, right? Are you aware of problems with mono on the amd64 buildds? [06:46] Also, what's the correct way of flagging issues? Mailing list? launchpad bug? [07:05] RAOF: kiko is the grand high launchpadder :) [08:10] * RAOF plumps for "file a bug" as the correct response: bug #270031 [08:10] Launchpad bug 270031 in soyuz "Mono segfaults on amd64 PPA buildds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270031 === cB_ is now known as CharelB [08:16] 270k bugs woo [08:18] mwhudson: I'm not sure that's a good thing. [08:18] I much prefer the time referenced here: [08:18] stub: ok. launchpad has currently 250 open bugs, ubuntu has 500 [08:19] That's more manageable. [08:28] no, noheh [08:28] uh [08:28] "heh" [08:29] Are there _any_ software projects with a decreasing number of open bugs? [08:31] I don't think many beat Ubuntu. [08:36] if the windows vista bug tracker was open... [08:37] * wgrant drops a bucket of bugs on mwhudson. [09:02] If I'm a driver on a distribution on Launchpad, how can I add new releases and such? [09:04] Distributions are special. [09:04] Only Ubuntu can have releases, AFAIK. [09:04] Due to Soyuz's specialness. [09:04] wgrant: argh, that defeats the point of using Launchpad for bug tracking [09:04] Then again, we can't even add annoucements [09:05] NCommander: That has been a significant complain from non-Soyuz-using distributions. [09:05] wgrant: we're Debian based, can we become a Soyuz using distribution ;-) [09:05] * NCommander runs [09:05] * wgrant watches cprov and bigjools combust. [09:06] * NCommander takes pictures [09:09] wgrant: who else beside nexenta uses Launchpad for bug tracking/other? [09:09] Baltix and Ubuntu, IIRC. [09:09] well, duh on Ubuntu [09:10] (although quite a few people I think miss bugzilla) [09:13] * NCommander is amazed at what he can find by playing w/ URLs [09:13] there are some thousands of projects using launchpad for upstream bug tracking [09:14] lifeless: I'm talking distributions [09:14] NCommander: ah [09:14] lifeless: we can't set releases or milestones on nexenta [09:14] * NCommander just pointed that functionality out to the Nexenta core team ;-) [09:15] * gour wonders why LP refuses reports with attached log file as unsigned although it's signed :-/ [09:17] * NCommander wonders why PPAs are still unsigned [09:18] NCommander: there's a bug about that, it's not like it's trivial [09:18] I'm aware [09:56] hi following problem: launchpad.net -> Register -> receiving Confirmation email with link -> link = "Error: Page not found" [10:00] huh, this bug in email interface preventing one to send attached files make LP's tracker almost unusable [10:00] tried again with gzipped file if the problem is in size, but same result :-( [10:01] if anyone wants to try it out see https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/270024 [10:01] Launchpad bug 270024 in malone "signed bug report with attachment sent vie email fails as 'unsigned'" [Undecided,New] [10:01] gour: Wait for a day or two for someone to respond to your bug. [10:02] wgrant: i'll wait, but i'm already experiencing how it fails [10:02] I think I know why that fails [10:04] * wgrant is suspicious of lp-bzr people. A disproportionatly high number of them are around on weekends compared to the other teams. [10:04] lp-bzr? [10:05] Launchpad Bazaar Integration [10:08] wgrant: shitty weather [10:09] fixing a branch right now [10:09] failed pqm tests [10:09] or... just love for the job! [10:09] and it is now Sunday night for me [10:09] wgrant: also, mwhudson and I are busy writing papers for OSDC :) [10:09] I just want it to make the cut for the next release [10:09] hi jml [10:09] lifeless: You too? It has been pretty good down here over the past couple of days. Foul before that, though. [10:09] jml: What on? [10:10] bloody gorgeous weather here today [10:10] I even went to the beach [10:10] wgrant: Mine's called "Your Code Sucks and I Hate You". It's about code reviews :) [10:10] severe storm warning today :P [10:10] first and last day of summer here [10:15] HTTPS://LAUNCHPAD.NET/TOKEN/3XLLKNHHBJ2NRQCSJCJ6 <- this is my confirmation mail link... but it doesn't work ;( [10:17] does it work for you? [10:19] That seems rather capital [10:31] shit...now I can confirm that despite being told the opposite, LP cannot accept attachment via email interface when reporting new bug...creating bug and the post attachment works...iirc, many people complained about inability to add attachment when creating bug (via web) and i remember seeing that it is fixed, but not in email interface which sucks greatly :-/ [10:31] quite dumb... [10:33] gour: Some attachments are blacklisted. [10:33] Signatures and others. [10:37] gour: Oh, you mean at bug creation time? Oops. [10:37] Not sure about that. [10:38] wgrant: yes, at creation time [10:38] if i create bug and then send another email with attachment it works [10:39] but not at creating dump which is pretty stupid 'cause log files (eg. traces) attached right at the beginning [10:39] You should file a bug. [10:40] Likely an accidental omission. [10:42] i added comment - https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/270024 [10:42] Launchpad bug 270024 in malone "signed bug report with attachment sent vie email fails as 'unsigned'" [Undecided,New] [10:42] Is it not a different bug? [10:43] error message is also stupid complaining "you need to sign the message..." [10:43] no, same bug with stupid 'error message' [10:44] Oh. [10:44] at least it could report something wiser and not misguiding user to the other direction :-/ [10:45] I suspect it is complaining correctly. [10:45] But it may be misinterpreting the parts to which your signature applies. [10:45] i'm propagating LP for a project to automatically create tickets generating from application to LP, and now this 'shame' [10:45] Wait for somebody to reply to your bug (likely during the working week). [10:45] wgrant: check attached message and you will see it's correctly signed [10:45] s/message/file [10:46] gour: For my particular interpretation of correctly signed, perhaps. [10:46] import in any mailer and you'll get correct signature...what more can we ask === bac` is now known as bac [10:55] gour: i suspect the problem is that the attached file isn't signed, only the text. i think it will work if you arrange for the signature to include the attached content as well, not only the text content. (even if it works, it's still a bug, it shouldn't be needed) [10:57] BjornT: how to do that in normal mailers? [10:58] it has to be transparent without any such 'workarounds' [11:00] gour: yes, i said it was a bug that it didn't work. [11:00] gour: i don't know how to do that in normal mailers. i use mutt, and there it happens automatically. [11:01] not in Gnus [11:02] Hi guys, [11:03] gour: gnus is not a normal mailer ;) [11:03] paolettopn: hi [11:03] it's odd that it doesn't sign the whole message [11:03] I am italian and search a little help for resolve a LP problem..... [11:03] paolettopn: what's the problem? [11:04] Can you help me to resolve him? [11:04] ok [11:04] BjornT: In what format does mutt send the signed attachment? [11:04] yesterday I want update my project and put this in my terminal: [11:05] bzr upgrade bzr+ssh://paolettopn@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-magazine/fcm-it/edizione-fcm-it [11:05] BjornT: lol. now i tried by signing part [11:05] but 5 min ago my ADSL connection was down. [11:05] wgrant: in the same format as it sends unsigned attachments. it creates a multipart message. the first part consists of another multipart message (the text and attachment), the second part consists of the signature [11:05] At the new command , the server send me this: [11:06] Format for bzr+ssh://paolettopn@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-it-magazine/fcm-it/edizione-fcm-it/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance [11:06] starting upgrade of bzr+ssh://paolettopn@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-it-magazine/fcm-it/edizione-fcm-it/ [11:06] making backup of tree history [11:06] bzr: ERROR: File exists: '/srv/bazaar.launchpad.net/push-branches/00/00/23/89/backup.bzr' [11:06] BjornT: Ah, nested multipart? [11:06] wgrant: yes [11:06] BjornT: Would that be OpenPGP/MIME? [11:06] There is a mode for delete the file? [11:06] paolettopn: ahh, I see. [11:06] paolettopn: yes, there is. [11:06] well.. :) [11:06] * jml thinks a bit [11:06] ok [11:07] wgrant: yes. the content-type of the whole message is multipart/signed [11:08] BjornT: That makes sense. [11:08] BjornT: signing the attachment-part did not help here [11:08] anyway, as you said, it's a bug which seriously cripple email interface [11:09] paolettopn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46828/ [11:09] ok [11:09] gour: ok. i'll have another look at this tomorrow. i have to leave soon. [11:10] paolettopn: in the next few days, there should be an easier way to do that. [11:10] well.. [11:11] jml: A nice less slow web UI button? [11:11] wgrant: alas no. [11:11] wgrant: but better support for sftp clients that aren't exactly the same as bzrlib :) [11:12] Ah, being able to cd? [11:12] wgrant: yeah. [11:12] I recall that used to be possible. [11:12] and download! [11:12] wgrant: yeah, back when sftp and bzr+ssh worked from entirely separate code bases :( [11:12] Ahah. [11:13] and, in fact, before Launchpad even supported bzr+ssh and before Bazaar supported bzr+ssh :P [11:13] sorry, now I go away... see you later..... [11:13] paolettopn: did it work? [11:13] thanks for all... [11:13] launch.... === gnomefreak is now known as thunderstruck === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [11:17] right. time for washing up and video games. [11:20] * wgrant lashes jml tightly to his keyboard. [11:22] BjornT: thanks a lot [11:42] FE FI FO FUM [11:42] who wakes the sad giant [11:43] * wgrant prepares to be cooked by kiko. [11:43] eek [11:44] man it just rained a thunderstorm and a quarter here [11:44] I woke up with clack crack blang [11:44] kiko: hello :) [11:44] hey jml [11:45] how's that bzr thing looking? [11:45] kiko: so good it hurts. [11:45] jml, no waaaay [11:46] unless you're talking about the stacking release, in which case I haven't tried it yet :) [11:52] jml, that was what was on my mind [11:53] kiko: it all looks good on staging. we'll still need to do a bzr upgrade though. [11:54] jml how I use your file? [11:54] jml, wanna enqueue it? I'll get it pushed up [11:54] excuse me for the wait time, but my wife call me... [11:54] kiko: lemme check that poolie's fix is in. [11:55] jml, cool [11:55] paolettopn: open up a terminal, then run 'python', then enter each of the commands after the '>>> ' [11:56] oki [11:56] kiko: while I'm doing that, could I direct your attention to questions #45050 and #45051? [11:57] sure! [11:57] i don't think poolie's fix has landed yet :( [11:58] mwhudson: me neither, but I'll double check the NEWS anyway [11:58] nope. [12:00] paolettopn: if you can't get that to work, then ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/ and we'll probably be able to fix it up this week. [12:00] https://edge.launchpad.net/pyunit-friends [12:00] jml, ^^^ [12:00] okey... [12:00] jml, MY WRISTS LOVE URLS [12:01] kiko: thank you. you are man of calibre. [12:01] I have enter all command and now terminal is waiting.... [12:02] after the last command there are more time for deleting the file... [12:02] all is ok... ending... [12:07] paolettopn: cool. if you try 'bzr upgrade ' again, it should work ok. [12:10] I do this... is working.... [12:11] is making for the tree backup.... :) [12:11] paolettopn: yay :) [12:44] jml , how many time for the entire backup? [12:44] is waitinf for : making backup of tree history [12:44] paolettopn: I don't know. It depends on the size of the branch. [12:45] ah,,, our branch is so biggest..... [12:45] paolettopn: right. it could take a very long time. [12:45] paolettopn: don't turn your computer off :) [12:45] eheheh... now I know..... :) [12:45] of couse... lol [12:58] jml: hooray for pyunit-friends! [12:59] spiv: yes. [13:09] good night. [13:35] hey jml : now is: starting repository conversion [13:35] megaLOL.... [13:43] hi, is the minimal length for an username 6 characters ? [13:43] no [13:43] My username is 5, so it can't be 6. [13:49] quite a few people have 3 [13:50] I know of a 2. [13:50] A lot of 4s and 3s. [13:50] https://launchpad.net/~a [13:50] can anyone beat 1? [13:50] in theory, yes [13:50] :P [13:51] https://launchpad.net/~ ? [13:51] Doesn't exist! [13:51] it's up for grabs! [13:52] strange, i couldn't register "epsy" [13:52] if i remember correctly [13:52] epsy: What was the failure message? [13:52] i think it said "already used" [13:52] trough https://launchpad.net/~epsy shows a 404 [13:53] paolettopn: good luck with that. I'm off to bed. [13:54] * wgrant sets an alarm for 44 minutes in the future to watch jml's next failed attempt at going to bed. [13:55] it's been a long time i registered epsy46 instead now [13:55] epsy: You can try to change your name. [13:55] ..indeed, i just figured [13:55] jml : ok, many thanks for all, goodbye and good night. [13:56] wgrant, do i need to change my whoami info? [13:57] epsy: For bzr? No, but you'll need to rerun bzr launchpad-login. [13:58] jml: please rename the 'pyunit3k' directory in testtools trunk :) [13:58] wgrant, ok thanks :) [14:07] has anyone come across an irc bot which broadcasts lp-bzr commit messages to a channel? [14:09] mdke: no, but there is a cia plugin [14:10] LarstiQ: aha, thanks [14:10] mdke: not that it should be very hard to do [14:12] LarstiQ: presumably for the cia plugin, it would need to be installed on Launchpad? [14:14] mdke: hmm, iirc it works at commit time, so local would also work. [14:15] mdke: optional notification to cia from lp doesn't sound like a bad feature request btw :) [14:15] mdke: but specifically for lp-bzr, a feedparser should be enough [14:15] mdke, RSS [14:15] mdke, Supybot's RSS plugin, more precisely [14:17] also, using the Bugtracker plugin from you can have the bug summaries on "bug xxx" [14:19] epsy: it seems to me it might be useful to expose this to a wider lp using audience? [14:19] er..what's so obscure in this? [14:21] epsy: it's hidden somewhere deep in ubuntu land [14:22] well, i do not own that code [14:23] LarstiQ: well, local would require every member of the team to install the plugin. but epsy's RSS idea sounds good [14:24] mdke: right [14:24] Ciao Mattew mdke .... [14:24] paolettopn: hi [14:24] epsy: right, I'm just musing. [14:25] LarstiQ, well, i agree that this plugin is a bit hidden, and that an inclusion in suppybot-plugins might be wise [14:26] anyway, bbl [15:38] jml : all is ok. See you later.... [15:38] ciao mdke , a presto... [17:54] I appear to have a broken launchpad bzr branch [17:54] Is it possible to purge it and re-push ? [18:01] tumbleweed: you can just bzr push --overwrite [18:04] mtaylor: aha, never even thought of looking :-) [18:05] hmm, getting: Format for lp-140211468:///~stefanor/drupal/sr/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance [18:05] No new revisions to push. [18:05] and there are new revisions [18:10] tumbleweed: what does `bzr missing lp:~stefanor/drupal/sr/` report? [18:12] LarstiQ: bleh, it is up to date [18:12] * tumbleweed is confused now [18:12] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~stefanor/drupal/sr doesn't show that last revision [18:12] tumbleweed: 1) are you sure you are pushing to the right branch 2) do you have uncommitted changes? [18:12] and I checked it out and didn't get that rev either [18:13] no uncommited changes [18:13] right branch [18:13] tumbleweed: http lags a bit behind sftp/ssh [18:13] I did a local branch of my repo, and I got the last rev [18:13] LarstiQ: yes, I know that, but it's been hours [18:14] maybe it lagged for a while, and now it's behaving again [18:14] tumbleweed: do you also see the warning "User timeout caused connection failure"? [18:14] otherwise the bzr missing wouldn't have complained... [18:14] or is that just me [18:14] LarstiQ: yes, that appeared recently [18:15] LarstiQ: which is why I was postulating a broken repo [18:15] bleh, I'm mis-reading [18:16] LarstiQ: missing returns "You have 1 extra revision(s): [18:16] so the push isn't working [18:16] tumbleweed: can you pastebin from your shell the push and it's output? [18:17] LarstiQ: sure, one sec [18:19] LarstiQ: http://paste.ubuntu.com/46922/ [18:20] tumbleweed: ok, now try the missing against the same thing you push against? [18:20] tumbleweed: ie, bzr missing bzr+ssh://stefanor@bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/drupal/sr/ [18:21] tumbleweed: as bzr says, you didn't do `bzr launchpad-login`, so missing is falling back to the http available branch [18:21] bzr missing bzr+ssh://stefanor@bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/drupal/sr/ [18:21] Format for lp-140211468:///~stefanor/drupal/sr/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance [18:21] Branches are up to date. [18:21] right [18:21] yes, I've done launchpad-login now [18:21] so your code _is_ up there [18:21] right [18:21] so http is lagging a *lot* [18:22] tumbleweed: next I'd try to find out what that user timeout means [18:22] will something on launchpad automatically update my repo format? [18:22] tumbleweed: no, you would have to do that yourself [18:22] LarstiQ: it's remote *I* can't upgrade it [18:22] tumbleweed: sure you can [18:22] tumbleweed: bzr upgrade sftp://... [18:22] * tumbleweed swears he tried [18:22] sftp, ok, will try [18:23] bzr: ERROR: Unknown bzrdir format: '' [18:23] now _that_ is weird [18:23] yup, I've been getting that a lot [18:23] * LarstiQ has never seen it [18:23] * tumbleweed googled around a bit [18:24] tumbleweed: where are you getting it, just that branch, or in more places? [18:24] LarstiQ: just there [18:24] LarstiQ: to test, I pushed a copy of this repo to lp:~stefanor/drupal/sr6/, and it is perfectly hunky-dory [18:25] tumbleweed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/205156 [18:25] Launchpad bug 205156 in bzr "KnitRepository.insert_data_stream() copies data in improper order" [Critical,Won't fix] [18:25] tumbleweed: reading the http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/06/09/%23launchpad.txt log [18:26] LarstiQ: yup, I found that [18:26] tumbleweed: you can also try bzr upgrade bzr+ssh://, it will be slower than the sftp case, but since that doesn't seem to work... [18:27] lol: [18:27] $ bzr upgrade bzr+ssh://stefanor@bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/drupal/sr/ [18:27] Format for lp-140211468:///~stefanor/drupal/sr/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance [18:27] bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format. [18:27] ok, let's supply what we want to upgrade to :) [18:29] tumbleweed: do you have any preferences? [18:29] tumbleweed: (what is the lowest version of bzr people will use that branch with?) [18:29] LarstiQ: tried --pack-0.92 and --format=pack-0.92 [18:29] tumbleweed: btw, doesn't drupal already exist in bzr form? [18:29] LarstiQ: not in any sensible form [18:30] tumbleweed: ok [18:30] (or at least it didn't when I created this branch) [18:30] they use CVS, which is rather icky [18:30] tumbleweed: I'd expect 'bzr upgrade --pack-0.92 bzr+ssh://..' [18:30] yup, same error [18:31] tumbleweed: really? Hmm [18:32] * tumbleweed will try that copy_all_revisions.py [18:36] nope [18:37] ok, obviously I must get the etch-backports maintainer for bzr to upgrade to a version that doesn't have this bug [18:37] but I think I need a lp admin to zap my repo for me [18:39] tumbleweed: your best option is https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion then [18:40] LarstiQ: ok, shall do so [18:41] LarstiQ: hmm https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/812 [18:41] should be picked up... [18:42] kiko: ping? [18:43] tumbleweed: yup, that's what they are for, not to get lost [18:45] ok now back to productivity [19:42] Is there someone who can help me update the description of a distribution on launchpad? (I'm in its drivers group, but I can't seem to edit the distribution itself) [21:07] has LP OpenID URL gone mainstream for all users of LP or is it still just for beta testerS? [21:09] and if so: when will it be for all users? Anyone? :) [21:26] hubuntu: all users can use it [21:26] does it have to be activated somehow? [21:26] any requirements? mdke [21:27] hubuntu: no, I don't think so [21:27] you should see it on your homepage [21:28] I am trying to help a user... I couldn't tell since I am a LP beta tester [21:53] Hi guys I have few problem with launchpad OpenId in http://wiki.ubuntu.com [21:53] can anyone help me here? [21:54] shahriar86: what sort of problem? [21:54] well after they have implemented Launchpad OpenID I can't login to wiki [21:55] shahriar86: do you have a launchpad account? [21:55] I get error. 'module' object has no attribute 'getSysPage' [21:55] yes I do have one [21:55] that is a weird error [21:55] https://launchpad.net/~tariq086/ [21:55] you want more details? [21:55] I can paste it somewhere and send it [21:56] is there any pastebin? [21:56] !paste [21:56] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [21:56] ok [21:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/46987/ [21:57] I get this error everytime I try to login. before OpenID I had no problem [21:59] shahriar86: do you get that if you just go to the home page for the ubuntu wiki? [22:00] shahriar86: like clicking on the wiki url you gave above? [22:00] yes [22:00] I can't bypass it [22:00] hmm [22:01] I'd pass this information on to #canonical-sysadmin [22:01] as it seems to be more adminy [22:01] :) [22:01] ok [22:01] thanks for the help. I hope it gets sorted out soon. and I can get back to wiki :) [22:02] though I would have liked to use Report Bug. But was not sure what to title it [22:02] shahriar86: I've just told the guys in the other channel about your problem [22:02]