[02:02] <hwilde> what is the ultimate fix for resolution before submitting bug reports
[02:06] <hwilde> reinstall all of x ?
[02:06] <RAOF> The fix depends on the problem, generally.
[02:08] <hwilde> borked resolution
[02:09] <hwilde> short of clean reinstall, any way to fix it?
[02:09] <RAOF> Again, depends on the cause of the problem.  Generally speaking, access to your Xorg.0.log is required for any debugging.
[02:11] <hwilde> yeah thats what I told this guy
[02:11] <hwilde> http://pastebin.com/f1ff38ad5
[02:11] <hwilde> 1761: (II) VESA(0): Not using built-in mode "1024x768" (width too large for virtual size)
[02:11] <RAOF> Ah, that old chesnut.
[02:12] <hwilde> lol
[02:12] <hwilde> 1766:  (--) VESA(0): Virtual size is 800x600 (pitch 800)
[02:12] <hwilde> holyguyver_, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf again plz
[02:13] <holyguyver_> hw what is the pastebinit cammand to do that again?
[02:13] <holyguyver_> hwilde,
[02:13] <hwilde> pastebinit -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:14] <holyguyver_> http://pastebin.com/f4e02078a
[02:15] <hwilde> there's nothing in it now?
[02:15] <holyguyver_> I guess not
[02:16] <holyguyver_> hwilde, now look at what you did :p
[02:17] <hwilde> get up to the latest version 2.6.24-16-generic is from like... April
[02:17] <holyguyver_> hwilde, as I said I have that, I just simply need to re-log into that.
[02:17] <hwilde> do it
[02:19] <hwilde> RAOF, sry this guy has been complaining in #ubuntu all day
[02:19] <hwilde> like he was there when I woke up this morning
[02:21] <holyguyver> hwilde, I am back
[02:22] <hwilde> yeah I see you
[02:22] <hwilde> what kernel
[02:22] <holyguyver> alright, so tell me to pastebinit again
[02:22] <holyguyver> 2.6.19
[02:24] <holyguyver> hw?
[02:24] <holyguyver> hwilde,
[02:25] <hwilde> are you gonna pastebinit or what
[02:25] <hwilde> xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log
[02:25] <holyguyver> hwilde, Yes whenever you tell me the cammand
[02:25] <hwilde> pastebinit -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:26] <hwilde> pastebinit -i /var/logl/Xorg.0.log
[02:26] <holyguyver> http://pastebin.com/f2c8c3453
[02:26] <holyguyver> hwilde, there
[02:26] <holyguyver> Unable to read from: /var/logl/Xorg.0.log
[02:26] <hwilde> its just /var/ log
[02:27] <hwilde> typo
[02:27] <holyguyver> Well you typed /var/logl
[02:27] <hwilde> you've been doing this all day get with the program
[02:27] <hwilde> don't you know about the tab key you dont have to type everything
[02:28] <holyguyver> http://pastebin.com/f370cd250
[02:28] <hwilde> ok so you're using nv driver now
[02:28] <hwilde> that is a step in the right direction
[02:29] <hwilde> !nvidia | holyguyver
[02:29] <holyguyver> hwilde, wel already went through all of this
[02:29] <holyguyver> I use EnvyNG
[02:29] <hwilde> ok so configure your monitor
[02:29] <hwilde> did you read the log
[02:29] <hwilde> 491 (II) NV(0): Configured Monitor: Using default hsync range of 31.50-37.90 kHz
[02:30] <holyguyver> hwilde, it will not allow me to configure it remember.
[02:30] <hwilde> 492 (II) NV(0): Configured Monitor: Using default vrefresh range of 50.
[02:30] <hwilde> 513 (II) NV(0): Configured Monitor: Using default vrefresh range of 50.
[02:30] <hwilde> (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
[02:30] <hwilde> it's not using the resolution you want because of the default hsync and vrefresh
[02:30] <holyguyver> hwilde, it will not allow me to configure it remember. it keeps on reverting back.
[02:31] <hwilde> RAOF, last chance before reinstalling from scratch?
[02:31] <holyguyver> hwilde, we already did the last chance 12 hours ago :'(
[02:32] <hwilde> submit a bug report then
[02:32] <holyguyver> hwilde, I don't know how :'(
[02:33] <hwilde> !bug | holyguyver
[02:33] <holyguyver> hwilde, So as I said when I do a reinstall I now know to never ever evere ever ever update my kernam & headers again, because it keeps on causing this problem.
[02:34] <hwilde> that would be your choice
[02:34] <hwilde> I like to get all the updates
[02:34] <hwilde> live on the edge
[02:34] <holyguyver> hwilde, every time I go to file a bug report it keeps asking me to create an account with launchpad.
[02:35] <hwilde> and then
[02:35] <holyguyver> I choose not to create an account
[02:35]  * hwilde blank stare
[02:36] <holyguyver> So I am unable to file bug reports.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> so...
[02:39] <hwilde> so it only takes like 20minutes to reinstall
[02:39] <hwilde> assuming fast enough cdrom and harddrive write speed
[02:40] <holyguyver> hwilde, Yes but first I have to backup my 10GBs of HOMe & my 100 plus customely added apps.
[02:41] <holyguyver> Which is what I am doing right noe
[02:41] <holyguyver> now
[02:41] <hwilde> how much free space do you have
[02:41] <hwilde> just make a new partition in the free space and install there
[02:41] <holyguyver> I am not sure, that is hard to find out in Natue***
[02:41] <holyguyver> The file manager :p
[02:42] <hwilde> type in "df -ha"
[02:42] <holyguyver> hwilde, I have 4 partisions as I already told you but I have trouble figuring out how to install my home partision on another partision
[02:46] <hwilde> holyguyver, specify your vrefresh and hsync in the xorg.conf to get rid of the errors
[02:46] <hwilde> 513:   (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
[02:47] <hwilde> 517: (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[02:48] <hwilde> and specify the default mode 1024x768
[02:49] <holyguyver> hwilde, how do I specify that, if I pastbin my xorg can you specify that for me?
[02:50] <hwilde> what kinda monitor
[02:50] <hwilde> want to see mine?
[02:50] <holyguyver> hwilde,  Gateway EV700
[02:50] <hwilde> dont be jealous now   http://pastebin.com/f154ed97a
[02:52] <hwilde> 	HorizSync    30.0 - 70.0
[02:52] <hwilde> 	VertRefresh  50.0 - 120.0
[02:52] <hwilde> 	Option	    "dpms"
[02:52] <hwilde> put that in Section "Monitor"
[02:52] <holyguyver> Yeah can you just pastbin what I need then I can delete my xorg.conf & fill it with yours
[02:52] <holyguyver> yours for me
[02:53] <hwilde> don't be lazy just add those three lines where I told you
[02:53] <holyguyver> hwilde, I don't know where to add them
[02:53] <nullack> Why specify hard coded display values in xorg??
[02:53] <nullack> It leads to trouble
[02:53] <holyguyver> hwilde, I am not being lazy, I do not understand what you are directing me to do
[02:54] <hwilde> he has errors in his Xorg.0.log
[02:54] <hwilde> 513:   (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (vrefresh out of range)
[02:54] <hwilde> 517: (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[02:55] <hwilde> i think specifying them would get rid of those errors
[02:55] <nullack> Upgrade to Intrepid and go minimal xorg :) IMHO
[02:55] <nullack> Provided its not a production machine and hes willing to test :)
[02:55] <hwilde> yes thank you
[02:55] <hwilde> live on the edge!!
[02:55] <nullack> I do :)
[02:55] <hwilde> it's already broken
[02:55] <hwilde> what's the worst that could happen
[02:56] <holyguyver> nullack, it is a production machine
[02:56] <RAOF> nullack: I'm not sure that would work.  I'd _guess_ that the underlying problem here is a problem with the monitor's DDC/EDID reporting.
[02:56] <hwilde> yeah
[02:56] <hwilde> thanks Gateway
[02:56] <holyguyver> hwilde, you have to realize this is one of those old two foot thick monitors.
[02:56]  * hwilde knows
[02:56] <hwilde> what a gateway ev700 is
[02:56] <hwilde> ty
[02:56] <holyguyver> Yes
[02:56] <nullack> ROAF He can pull EDID
[02:57] <hwilde> now are you going to specify them or what
[02:57] <nullack> Morning Chris, BTW :)
[02:57] <holyguyver> hwilde, Specify what?
[02:59] <hwilde> http://pastebin.com/m6dfb42dc
[03:01] <holyguyver> hwilde, so I replace my xorgconf with that?
[03:01] <hwilde> no you just keep your current broken config
[03:01] <holyguyver> I do? :'(
[03:03] <hwilde> no I was being sarcastic.  what you said is what you should do
[03:03] <hwilde> what are you afraid of breaking it
[03:03] <hwilde> it's already broken
[03:03] <holyguyver> hwilde, Alright, so how do I open xorg again?
[03:04] <holyguyver> gksu gedit /src/x11/xorg.conf
[03:04] <holyguyver> ?
[03:04] <hwilde> close
[03:04] <holyguyver> hwilde, then what is it?
[03:04] <hwilde> locate xorg.conf
[03:05] <holyguyver> gksu gedit /src/x11/locate/xorg.conf ?
[03:05] <hwilde> no just type in
[03:05] <hwilde> locate xorg.conf
[03:06] <holyguyver> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:08] <holyguyver> Alright I am now going to restart x & I will be back in a few minutes to tell you how it reverted back :p
[03:08] <holyguyver> hwilde,
[03:08] <hwilde> minutes?
[03:08] <hwilde> ctrl+alt+backspace
[03:10] <holyguyver> hwilde, You are my new God, it worked.
[03:12] <hwilde> http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=125368
[03:12] <hwilde> Reload this Page  Gateway EV700 CRT Monitor Refresh Rates
[03:12] <hwilde> copied the monitor section right outta the page
[03:12] <hwilde> google ftw
[03:12] <hwilde> holyguyver, you should probably make a backup of that file now.
[03:13] <holyguyver> How do I back it up?
[03:13] <hwilde> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.before-i-messed-it-up
[03:14] <holyguyver> Alright, thank you.
[03:15] <holyguyver> Bows down & worships hwilde
[03:16] <hwilde> now go buy a better monitor
[03:16] <hwilde> you know they have autodetect now
[03:16] <hwilde> since like the 90s
[03:17] <hwilde> you can get like 22" widescreen lcd for $200
[03:17] <holyguyver> hwilde, I have been planning on getting one for a long time, but I have trouble leaving my house as I have been under house arrest for 9 years.
[03:18] <holyguyver> I ordered this PC of the internet though, do you know a good monitor selling website?
[03:18] <hwilde> is this what your computer looks like http://images.pcworld.com/reviews/graphics/57665-20561b.jpg
[03:19] <holyguyver> hwilde, that is what my monitor looks like, but my computer is a brand new hp pavillion
[03:21] <hwilde> for $448 from www.dell.com/ubuntu you can get a whole tower preinstalled with ubuntu and it comes with a 19" widescreen flat panel
[03:21] <jjesse> nice
[03:21] <jjesse> hwilde: i got one of those new dell mini 9's coming :)
[03:21] <hwilde> nice
[03:21] <holyguyver> hwilde, I just got a computer, I don't need a computer only a monitor, preferablly a 24 inch & around 100$
[03:22] <hwilde> but if you want to stay with the HP theme... www.newegg.com   HP L2208W Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD   $249.99
[03:22] <holyguyver> Thank you
[03:22] <hwilde> HP L1908w Black 19" 5ms Widescreen  $199
[03:23] <hwilde> 24" would be awesome tho
[03:23] <hwilde> don't let go of your dreams
[03:24] <holyguyver> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176090 if only this was 300$ less.
[03:25] <hwilde> http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1443&page=3
[03:25] <hwilde> Worlds largest LCD Monitor - 40"
[03:26] <holyguyver> & The pricetag?
[03:38] <nullack> wgrant : I think youve constructed some good points in your response on bug 269656
[03:44] <wgrant> nullack: You too.
[03:45] <wgrant> Damn, I see that I triggered Launchpad's comment-snipping.
[03:49]  * RAOF wonders idly why 'abrowser' isn't 'iceweasel'
[03:50] <wgrant> RAOF: I suspect that "Web Browser" sounds less strange than "Iceweasel"
[03:50] <RAOF> The same could be said of firefox.
[03:51] <wgrant> Definitely.
[03:51] <wgrant> But it is a well-known name.
[03:51] <hggdh> because it got famous. abrowser could, eventually reach the same level (and, who knows, also get an EULA ;-)
[03:53] <wgrant> abrowser is actually branded "Web Browser"
[03:54] <hggdh> s/abrowser/Web Browser/  # correction acked, but the assertion is still true
[03:54] <hggdh> the fact that we have now both of them already points to non-complete agreement
[03:56] <wgrant> Firefox, Iceweasel, Burning Dog, Web Browser
[03:57] <hggdh> meanwhile I think I made launchpad barf on an apport-generated report for virtualbox...
[03:57] <hggdh> wgrant, the pity of this is it ends up being Mozilla's loss: only FFox is known, none of the others
[03:58] <wgrant> How is that Mozilla's loss?
[03:59] <hggdh> the brand is diluted by the name forks
[03:59] <wgrant> Right.
[03:59] <hggdh> *we* know it, but we-the-people will not
[13:12] <qense> Aargh! My hart stopped beating for a few seconds. :P Someone with the name 'Kassa!' replied to a bug. 'Kassa!' is a TV program where consumers can complain about companies and products. They've burned the iPhone and Windows Vista completely down.
[13:19] <techno_freak> ahh
[16:40] <nullack> Folks, bug Bug 269656 is a political hot potatoa
[16:41] <nullack> Were going to end up with 10 000+ comments
[16:41] <nullack> Shouldnt it be closed from comments?
[16:41] <asomething> can comments be closed? don't think I've seen that before....
[16:42] <nullack> Or how about converting it into a question
[16:43] <asomething> hmm... while I don't feel strongly on the issue, I think that might make some people mad...
[16:44] <nullack> I've shared my view, I understand yours :)
[16:45] <nullack> Ill leave it alone
[18:48] <EagleSn> when i press a multimedia key in Kubuntu 8.04.1, kded crash, and kmilo stop running
[20:42] <mrooney> is there a tag to apply to bugs which could potentially reduce the ISO size?
[20:42] <mrooney> that is always a useful thing, right
[20:49] <james_w> mrooney: I don't know of one, but it is certainly useful
[20:49] <james_w> mrooney: what's the number?
[20:49] <james_w> mrooney: saying that on #ubuntu-devel may well get the right people interested
[20:51] <mrooney> james_w: actually related to our earlier conversation, bug 231130
[20:55] <mrooney> james_w: it seems possible that could save ~2MB, unless it is compressed somehow and I am missing that
[20:55] <james_w> I think you are right
[20:56] <mrooney> I will pop over to #ubuntu-devel
[20:56] <james_w> kwii and slangasek are the people that I would point this out to
[20:56] <james_w> kwii is the art dude, and slangasek is the one that has to fight the CD size
[21:15] <chrisccoulson> anyone here familiar with HAL?