| CrankWidow | hmm.. is apt-get installing recommends by default now? | 00:29 |
|---|---|---|
| CrankWidow | or is my debconf set wonky.. | 00:30 |
| ScottK-laptop | CrankWidow: It's default in Intrepid. | 00:30 |
| CrankWidow | thus.. --no-install-recommends will be a new few chars in my apt-get commands :) | 00:31 |
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| CrankWidow | esp when packages recommend module sources | 00:31 |
| ScottK-laptop | CrankWidow: If recommends are excessive, please file bugs. | 00:34 |
| CrankWidow | sounds like a plan | 00:34 |
| CrankWidow | moving true recommendations to suggestion status? | 00:34 |
| CrankWidow | err.. mild recommendations | 00:34 |
| CrankWidow | sorry. | 00:34 |
| ScottK-laptop | CrankWidow: Before filing bugs, I recommend reading the definition for Suggests/Recommends in Debian Policy. | 00:37 |
| CrankWidow | word | 00:38 |
| calc | my sister is reporting to me about the damage around my home | 00:46 |
| calc | apparently its fine but lots of flooding nearby | 00:46 |
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| Hobbsee | you know, what would make intrepid perfect would be if it supported all of my multimedia keys. | 01:30 |
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| wgrant | Hobbsee: System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't help? | 01:31 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: regression from hardy for you? | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: regression from gutsy. | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | wgrant: nope. | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | my "next track" never gets a keycode, at all. | 01:37 |
| slangasek | the current model doesn't use X keypress events for media keys | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | what's the official way for debugging it now? | 01:38 |
| slangasek | hal grabs them directly and dumps them to dbus | 01:38 |
| slangasek | dbus-monitor, perhaps? | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: right - i get the rest of the keys thru that, but not next track. | 01:39 |
| slangasek | hmm | 01:40 |
| slangasek | then I guess that's hal's fault :) | 01:40 |
| Hobbsee | tail -f /var/log/kern.log doesn't mention it, so the kernel's not ignoring it. | 01:40 |
| * Mithrandir tickles the green alien | 01:41 | |
| Hobbsee | hey Mithrandir! | 01:41 |
| * Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet | 01:42 | |
| * LaserJock wonders why Hobbsee thinks that would hurt | 01:42 | |
| * Mithrandir watches Hobbsee's feet turn blue as she stomped on steel-toed boots. | 01:42 | |
| * wgrant stomps on LaserJock. | 01:42 | |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: awww | 01:43 |
| * Mithrandir hugs Hobbsee | 01:43 | |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: based on what I saw at UDS, when I stomped on someone else's foot, apparently it does hurt. | 01:43 |
| * Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir back :) | 01:43 | |
| Hobbsee | racarr's foot. | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | well, no offense, but that's not saying much | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | heh. | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: i don't suppose you have a guide or something that talks about keycodes and hal? | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | hm, lshal -m doesn't come up with *any* of the keys, whether they're picked up in xev or not. | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: are the dailies being tested at all yet? | 01:52 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: no, I only have what I've gleaned over the past week while debugging my own keyboard issues :/ | 01:52 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: "yet"? daily CD images have been getting smoke tested for some time, in between the periods of breakage | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: I was thinking in preparation for the next Alpha | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: right. :-S so on that basis, what should I do for reporting a bug about this? | 01:53 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: ah; we're a bit early for that, currently we have a problem with python2.5 pulling in 9MB of tcl/tk crap | 01:53 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee: um... file a bug on hal, and make pitti fix it :-) | 01:53 |
| LaserJock | heh | 01:53 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: (which is a problem because it makes the liveCDs oversized...) | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | sure | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | I was just gonna maybe build a new Intrepid VM and wondered what my chances of getting it to install were | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | man I wish VMware Player could do snapshots | 01:56 |
| slangasek | should be pretty good | 01:56 |
| wgrant | LaserJock: Why not use something less restrictive like KVM or VirtualBox? | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | well, because VMWare Player is the fastest | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | it's a pain, granted, but it seems to have the best performance | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | I suppose I could install vmware server to make VMs and do snapshots and player for actual use | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | but that seems like an awful lot of work | 01:59 |
| LaserJock | is KVM any faster than qemu if you don't have a CPU with vmx/svm? | 02:03 |
| persia | Recent versions of KVM won't even fall back to qemu if you don't have the right CPU. | 02:04 |
| persia | Installing kqemu-source can help to make qemu faster on such chips. | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | I see | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | slangasek: saying what? Beyond "this key doesn't work on this machine" | 02:09 |
| slangasek | I don't know | 02:09 |
| slangasek | but I think saying just that much is sufficient to establish that there's a bug, so | 02:09 |
| johanbr | Hobbsee: dell? | 02:22 |
| hardwire | we talking windows here? | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | johanbr: yes. | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | johanbr: 6400 | 02:23 |
| johanbr | I have the same problem here on my Inspiron 1420. | 02:23 |
| slangasek | hardwire: uh... never? :) | 02:28 |
| * hardwire heard "key" | 02:28 | |
| hardwire | I just assume the worst | 02:28 |
| slangasek | we also have keys in Ubuntu (?) | 02:29 |
| hardwire | oh yeh. :) | 02:35 |
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| calc | hey got a question its important | 04:08 |
| calc | where is the information for the top panel bar stored in the user dir? | 04:09 |
| RAOF | ~/.gconf | 04:09 |
| calc | davidm's panel bar got eaten, maybe by the deskbar-applet 2.22.3 update | 04:09 |
| calc | RAOF: oh it is? | 04:09 |
| RAOF | Yup. | 04:09 |
| RAOF | Specifically, /apps/panel, I believe. | 04:10 |
| calc | ok we'll try backing his up the overwriting it | 04:10 |
| RAOF | gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel should reset the panels to the default layout. | 04:13 |
| calc | still doidn't work | 04:13 |
| erast | hi | 04:13 |
| calc | trying the new command now | 04:15 |
| erast | NCommander told me that debarchiver obsolete. in nexenta we still using it, what is the preferred tool these days? | 04:15 |
| NCommander | erast: its not really obsolete, but its not meant to handle an entire archive, it has no NEW queue or other advanced features last time I used it | 04:15 |
| erast | i forgot, what is the new tool? | 04:16 |
| calc | the killed the bar entirely, lets see on login | 04:16 |
| calc | that fixed it, thanks! :) | 04:16 |
| erast | regarding buildd and missing deps, we uploaded ~ 100 new packages including xorg and samba | 04:17 |
| erast | wow... nexenta's version of debarchiver indeed prehistoric... 0.4 | 04:20 |
| calc | he ran low on disk space in home earlier today and apparently gconf decided to eat the panel | 04:21 |
| calc | but now its fixed :) | 04:21 |
| NCommander | erast: wow, upgrade that antique :-) | 04:27 |
| NCommander | if nothing else | 04:28 |
| NCommander | jdong: I'm uploading the updated ktorrent to the PPA | 04:28 |
| jdong | NCommander: cool | 04:29 |
| erast | NCommander: i'm thinking if Nexenta developers need to send patches directly to its immediate upstream (ubuntu) or to the debian maintainers? | 04:30 |
| NCommander | erast: interesting question, probably upstream unless upstream is completely dead | 04:31 |
| ScottK | erast: It probably depends if the package in question was modified by Ubuntu. | 04:31 |
| ScottK | NCommander: We're not dead. | 04:31 |
| ScottK | erast: Also it's important to explain what the patch is for and why it's relevant in Debian/Ubuntu. | 04:32 |
| NCommander | ScottK: I meant the package maintainers, as upstream as in them | 04:32 |
| NCommander | jdong: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/267494 | 04:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267494 in hardy-backports "Please backport ktorrent to 2.2.7" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 04:32 |
| erast | ScottK: OpenSolaris porting fixes mainly | 04:32 |
| ScottK | erast: Probably to Debian then unless it's a package with a big Ubuntu diff already. | 04:33 |
| jdong | NCommander: looks pretty good from the debdiff; do you think you can find a few people to test it, or give it a longer term test with DHT enabled? | 04:34 |
| jdong | NCommander: I've been a bit gun-shy about ktorrent updates because they tend to regress like that | 04:34 |
| NCommander | I don't use ktorrent | 04:35 |
| NCommander | (or hardy even regularly) | 04:35 |
| NCommander | So I have no idea where to find testers | 04:35 |
| ScottK | Isn't there an #ubuntu-torrent | 04:35 |
| jdong | NCommander: put a link up to the PPA in the bug report and let's wait a week to see if anything happens | 04:35 |
| jdong | NCommander: I've been through enough ktorrent releases to know not to trust their 0.0.1 release bumps | 04:36 |
| NCommander | jdong: ok | 04:36 |
| suornam | hi | 04:54 |
| suornam | sometimes i find myself updating my system, and i forget to give the go-ahead to download all the packages | 04:54 |
| erast | NCommander, ScottK: added section to Nexenta policy: http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaRepositoryPolicyMain | 04:55 |
| erast | thanks | 04:55 |
| suornam | has there ever been any talk over potentially just starting the download any way and then asking only upon installation? some sort of option to aptitude or apt-get perhaps? | 04:55 |
| suornam | i know opera does something similar when you download files, it begins to cache some percentage of it and if you decide not to download a file, opera discards it | 05:07 |
| jdong | suornam: most browsers do this. it'll start downloading while waiting for you to answer the question | 05:12 |
| jdong | whether or not APT will do it is another story | 05:12 |
| jdong | you can make your own alias to first apt-get -d install | 05:13 |
| jdong | then apt-get install | 05:13 |
| bryce | JonCruz, whoa that's awesome | 05:14 |
| suornam | jdong: interesting | 05:15 |
| jdong | and poof. | 05:16 |
| wgrant | At least it wasn't a 15-second driveby | 05:16 |
| wgrant | Does anybody know anything about checksums? | 05:16 |
| wgrant | And now I part in about 10 seconds. | 05:16 |
| NCommander | Oh geeze | 05:48 |
| NCommander | I'm getting a Mozilla EULA | 05:48 |
| NCommander | I thought this was fixed | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | anybody know if you have to tell qemu to use kqemu? or does it just use it if it finds it? | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | nvm, I think I figured it out | 05:57 |
| wgrant | NCommander: It's not a bug. | 06:03 |
| wgrant | NCommander: See bug #269656 | 06:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269656 in firefox-3.0 "AN IRRELEVANT LICENSE IS PRESENTED TO YOU FREE-OF-CHARGE ON STARTUP" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269656 | 06:03 |
| NCommander | wgrant: well, its in a bug ;-) | 06:03 |
| * NCommander runs for the bad pun | 06:03 | |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Just a heads up theres another pulseaudio revision to be downloaded and installed. I have fetched a few fixes from git. | 08:10 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Testing it right now; still underruns! | 08:10 |
| RAOF | Not a lot, and it seems that some songs trigger this more than others. | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | Hrm very interesting. | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: You a member of the pulse-rt group? | 08:11 |
| RAOF | Yes | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | gah! | 08:11 |
| TheMuso | I need to give pulse a run from my various hda capable systems. | 08:12 |
| RAOF | It's grabbing it's realtime signal, nice value, and HPET just fine. | 08:12 |
| RAOF | (Incidentally, "Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!" is a cool debug message) | 08:12 |
| TheMuso | Agreed. | 08:13 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: If you can reply to your bug with some fresh log messages, I'll talk to Lennart about it. I suspect its alsa, but need his confirmation from reading the logs. | 08:14 |
| RAOF | I'll try some different players, too. | 08:14 |
| RAOF | Hm, next piece of interesting behaviour? It only prints I: underrun messages if I've got a pavucontrol connected. If I don't, it still underruns, but doesn't print a message. | 08:22 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Very interesting. | 08:30 |
| RAOF | Woo! That's somewhat of a regression, too! | 08:32 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: What is? | 08:32 |
| RAOF | Transferring a stream from usb -> hda. It transfers immediately, then switches back to usb after ~1/4 of a sec for ~1/2 a sec, then settles back on hda. | 08:32 |
| TheMuso | ouch! I have a USB sound card, so I'll try that myself a bit later. | 08:33 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: What did you use to transfer the stream? Maybe using the pactl command to transfer it may yield different results. | 08:33 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Same result with pactl | 08:37 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Ok, I'll check it out myself later, and take it up with Lennart. I am starting to think that we will have to stick to 0.9.10. | 08:37 |
| RAOF | Grr. | 08:38 |
| RAOF | The underruns aren't _that_ annoying :/ | 08:38 |
| RAOF | You know, it may be that gstreamer is also involved in this, given the strange apparent codec-dependency. | 08:44 |
| wgrant | FWIW, I appear to be getting underruns on 0.9.10. | 08:44 |
| wgrant | But only from a day or two ago. | 08:44 |
| TheMuso | wgrant: Would it be possible for you to try 0.9.12 from my PPA? http://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive? Note that this will also pull in a new libasound2, with some fixes from git. | 08:52 |
| wgrant | TheMuso: Sure, doing so now. | 08:53 |
| TheMuso | wgrant: Thanks. | 08:53 |
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| NCommander | RainCT: please do me a favor, and join #kubuntu-devel and talk with apachelogger | 13:08 |
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| slytherin | Mithrandir: are you still looking into the bluetooth packages? | 16:41 |
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| slytherin | can anyone please ack bug #268097 | 17:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268097 in bluez-utils "Please move bluez plugins to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268097 | 17:39 |
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| NCommander | saivann: ping | 18:20 |
| saivann | NCommander : pong | 18:22 |
| NCommander | saivann: I did some debugging on the gnucash printing issue | 18:23 |
| NCommander | It's not a bug in goffice/gnucash | 18:23 |
| NCommander | It only manifests itself with -0-6 because gnucash will use GTK's print mechanism over its own | 18:23 |
| saivann | NCommander : You speak about missing options when gnucash is built with libgoffice 0.6 ? | 18:23 |
| NCommander | yeah | 18:23 |
| NCommander | Its a rather interesting case | 18:24 |
| saivann | NCommander : Oh, so what is the guilty package? :) | 18:24 |
| NCommander | gtkprint | 18:24 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/269687 | 18:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269687 in gnucash "Change of dependencies from goffice 0.4 to 0.6" [Low,Confirmed] | 18:24 |
| NCommander | If you try something else that uses gtkprint, like gnumeric | 18:24 |
| NCommander | Same problem | 18:24 |
| saivann | NCommander : Did you find a bug in gtkprint for that issue? | 18:24 |
| NCommander | Well, er ... | 18:25 |
| NCommander | I don't have a printer | 18:25 |
| saivann | NCommander : Ah :) | 18:25 |
| NCommander | So its kinda hard for me to test beyond this | 18:25 |
| NCommander | What printer are you trying? | 18:26 |
| NCommander | (it might be an issue with your specific printer vs anything else) | 18:26 |
| saivann | NCommander : That makes sense | 18:26 |
| saivann | Ncommander : Mmh I doubt that it's printer specific because I have the same result with my HP printer and with cups-pdf printer | 18:27 |
| * NCommander plugs in his HP printer | 18:27 | |
| NCommander | It may not work, but at least Ubuntu sees it | 18:27 |
| saivann | NCommander : HP, normally all HP printers works! | 18:27 |
| saivann | NCommander : Do you know how we can test more applications that uses gtkprint? How to find these? | 18:28 |
| NCommander | Most GNOME ones use it | 18:28 |
| NCommander | gnumeric uses it | 18:28 |
| saivann | NCommander : Oh.. yeah, even gedit | 18:29 |
| NCommander | weee | 18:30 |
| NCommander | PLugging in a new printer crashed things | 18:30 |
| NCommander | saivann: well, can you set page opens in gedit/gnumeric? | 18:30 |
| saivann | NCommand : The problem is exactly the same with gtkprint, unfortunately | 18:32 |
| saivann | s/gtkprint/gedit/ | 18:32 |
| NCommander | at least its not gnucash specific | 18:32 |
| NCommander | (gnucash's code is a horrid trainwreck of messyness) | 18:32 |
| saivann | NCommander : Definitively not, and since it's not breaking anything too important, I think that we can't consider this as a blocker for libgoffice 0.6 | 18:33 |
| saivann | NCommander : The reports are still printed correctly, we should report the gtkprint issue so this bug get fixed everywhere. Apparently, this bug also appears on hardy, so this is not a regression | 18:34 |
| NCommander | I can see at least two bugs related to this issue filed against gtk+2.0 | 18:34 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/183126 | 18:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 183126 in gtk+2.0 "default page size not respected by applications" [High,Incomplete] | 18:34 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/258794 | 18:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258794 in gtk+2.0 "gtkprint doesn't use the ppd default paper size" [Low,Triaged] | 18:34 |
| * NCommander reassigns the bug to gtk | 18:35 | |
| saivann | NCommander : I guess that 183126 should be a duplicate of 258794 | 18:38 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gnucash/+bug/269687 - bug reassigned, although I can't seem to drop the remote watch | 18:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269687 in gtk+2.0 "Page Size greyed out in gtkprint applications." [Medium,Confirmed] | 18:39 |
| saivann | NCommander : I just tested with gutsy and feisty and the bug is not there, the bug appeared with hardy | 18:39 |
| * NCommander nomiates for release | 18:40 | |
| NCommander | saivann: Well, the bug is filed | 18:41 |
| NCommander | siretart: ping | 18:41 |
| NCommander | saivann: aside from this issue, did you find any other goffice-0-6 bgs? | 18:42 |
| siretart | NCommander: what's up? | 18:42 |
| saivann | NCommander : No, and the fonts are cleaner, it even fixes a crash bug that I did not get to find | 18:42 |
| NCommander | siretart: ghc6 :-) | 18:43 |
| siretart | haskell! | 18:43 |
| NCommander | Namely the 6.3 transition | 18:43 |
| saivann | siretart : Hi | 18:43 |
| siretart | hey saivann | 18:43 |
| NCommander | We have a few packages that really need the speed improvements of 6.3 | 18:43 |
| NCommander | But the transition would take too long and its too late in intrepid's cycle | 18:44 |
| NCommander | I suggested we package 6.3 ghc as a seperate source package, and then rebuild each package that needs it (darcs comes to mind) | 18:44 |
| NCommander | I was told to talk to you on this | 18:44 |
| * siretart never touched a haskell related package before. are you sure you don't confuse me with sistpoty? | 18:44 | |
| NCommander | oh wait | 18:45 |
| NCommander | shoot | 18:45 |
| NCommander | damn, not enough coffee DEVERROR | 18:45 |
| NCommander | saivann: so you going to upload my debdiff :-) | 18:46 |
| * NCommander notes it should be updated to include the new bug numbers | 18:47 | |
| siretart | saivann: what's the plan with gnucash? go with the new upstream version? or backport the patches? | 18:47 |
| saivann | siretart NCommander : I want to work with debian since we sync the package. There is a lot of chances that 2.2.7 get released in the next week so I want to get it into debian and then sync it | 18:48 |
| NCommander | saivann: well, we need to also get this change into Debian | 18:49 |
| saivann | Ncommander : I think that we should include your patch, yes. Did you forward this to debian? | 18:49 |
| NCommander | saivann: I made a request that the change be made, but I didn't post a debdiff | 18:49 |
| NCommander | (there is a link to the Ubuntu bug) | 18:49 |
| saivann | NCommander : I'll take care of the debian patch | 18:50 |
| NCommander | saivann: I'll do that, I need another NMU for my NM application ;-) | 18:50 |
| saivann | NCommander : Oh, go ahead then :) | 18:51 |
| NCommander | Well, someone still needs to upload the patch; are you the debian gnucash maintainer? | 18:51 |
| saivann | NCommander : No, the debian maintainer is Thomad Bushnell, and he generally uploads new gnucash version in a short time, especially when you gives him a already prepared package | 18:52 |
| saivann | Thomas Bushnell* | 18:52 |
| NCommander | I know him | 18:53 |
| NCommander | He works on Hurd ;-) | 18:53 |
| saivann | NCommander : If he does not update gnucash to 2.2.7 in the required time, we'll have to do a ubuntu package. I'll make sure that we don't miss the train. | 18:54 |
| saivann | NCommander : Nice :) | 18:55 |
| NCommander | I'll roll a NMU patch | 18:55 |
| siretart | saivann: out of curiosity, do you think that package would make it to lenny? if yes, why? | 18:55 |
| saivann | siretart : Oh, I'm not aware of current debian release cycle, I assumed that it would be easily updated to 2.2.7 since it's a bugfix release | 18:56 |
| siretart | saivann: no, every debdiff gets hand reviewed since the beginning of the freeze. | 18:56 |
| saivann | siretart : Thanks for this information. Then it might be interesting to re-consider using upstream patches and creating a ubuntu package.. | 18:58 |
| saivann | siretart : I have no idea if it can get into debian at this point, in your opinion? | 18:58 |
| * NCommander tests building in sid | 19:01 | |
| saivann | NCommander : You said that gnucash was one of the last app that depends on libgoffice 0.4 ? | 19:03 |
| siretart | saivann: without having reviewed the diff between the versions, I cannot answer that. it mainly depends how many bugs with severity >= important the new release fixes | 19:03 |
| siretart | you might convince thomas to upload to experimental, though | 19:03 |
| NCommander | saivann: the only other rdepends is gnome-chemistry-utils, and that already moved to goffice-0-6 upstream | 19:04 |
| NCommander | I haven't seen if the old source will build against goffice-0-6 | 19:04 |
| NCommander | If it does, that clears the rdepends on 0-4 | 19:04 |
| saivann | siretart : That sounds like a possibility, however, would it be really "unclean" that we release our own gnucash package for the 2.2.7 if it is not uploaded to debian in time? | 19:05 |
| * NCommander would like to drop goffice this release if possible | 19:05 | |
| NCommander | 0.4 | 19:05 |
| NCommander | I want to drop gtk1.2 for jaunty ;-) | 19:05 |
| siretart | saivann: just make sure that we end up with the same orig.tar.gz as in debian | 19:06 |
| siretart | saivann: but since we are in freeze as well, a freeze exception is necessary in ubuntu as well | 19:06 |
| NCommander | saivann: a goal of mine is to remove gtk 1.2 from Ubuntu and Debian, care to help work towards that goal? | 19:06 |
| saivann | siretart : Yes, if there is no critical bug fixes in 2.2.7, I'll simply request patches for libgoffice and HBCI to be added to the package as a update | 19:07 |
| cjwatson | NCommander: are you volunteering to port the remaining programs to gtk2? great! | 19:08 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: well, I'm learning how to | 19:08 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: 132 rdepends left | 19:08 |
| NCommander | That's going to be a fun bug :-) | 19:08 |
| NCommander | Probably a record too | 19:09 |
| cjwatson | putty is ported upstream, btw, just waiting for a new release | 19:09 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: the only problem I found with 1.2 to 2.0 porting is that freeing code from depericated APIs is a pain | 19:09 |
| saivann | NCommander : I would, but I already have many projects :) However, I'll do my best so your debdiff for gnucash gets uploaded for intrepid | 19:09 |
| NCommander | i.e. using PangoLayout over gtk_draw_screen | 19:09 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: any tips ;-)? | 19:10 |
| cjwatson | RTFM ;-) | 19:10 |
| NCommander | RTFM isn't that greatly detailed | 19:10 |
| cjwatson | (carefully ...) | 19:10 |
| cjwatson | the GTK manuals are excellent | 19:10 |
| NCommander | the porting one isn't | 19:11 |
| cjwatson | IME, anyway | 19:11 |
| NCommander | It's pretty vague | 19:11 |
| cjwatson | sure, but you can figure it out from the ordinary reference documentation (old and new) | 19:11 |
| NCommander | The problem with porting to 2.0 is I don't know 1.2 at all ;-) | 19:11 |
| NCommander | "What does this function do?" | 19:11 |
| NCommander | ;-) | 19:11 |
| cjwatson | hence using the old reference docs as well | 19:11 |
| saivann | NCommander : Perhaps that bug 269687 would need to be reported upstream, can you do that? | 19:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269687 in gtk+2.0 "Page Size greyed out in gtkprint applications." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269687 | 19:12 |
| NCommander | saivann: do you have access to a sid box? | 19:13 |
| NCommander | (lets just see if it exists in Debian) | 19:13 |
| saivann | NCommander : No I don't | 19:13 |
| NCommander | we need a vict^W voluteer | 19:14 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: BTW, can you weigh in on a bug for me? | 19:15 |
| cjwatson | NCommander: that depends on the bug | 19:15 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghc6/+bug/263773 - do you believe my solution is fessible | 19:15 |
| NCommander | (ghc6 fun) | 19:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263773 in ghc6 "ghc 6.8.2 has important performance bug, should be updated to 6.8.3" [Medium,New] | 19:16 |
| cjwatson | I really don't know anything about Haskell and don't think I'm qualified to judge, sorry | 19:16 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: roughly speaking, would it be acceptable to package the new version of the compiler as a new source package, and then transition the packages that need it | 19:17 |
| cjwatson | yes, I did understand the comment, but I still don't want to make a decision about a language family I don't use and whose packaging I've never looked at | 19:18 |
| cjwatson | I don't know what implications that might have | 19:18 |
| azeem | darcs seems to Build-Depend on quite a few haskell libs | 19:20 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: ok | 19:21 |
| NCommander | azeem: yeah, I noticed that too, its not a pretty situation | 19:21 |
| azeem | NCommander: so what are you going to do with those? Have new source packages for them as well? | 19:22 |
| NCommander | azeem: now that you pointed that out, I retract my idea | 19:22 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: are you able to edit distributions on Launchpad, or do I need to find a LP admin to get one changed | 19:26 |
| cjwatson | NCommander: only Ubuntu | 19:28 |
| NCommander | cjwatson: strange. I'm in the drivers for Nexenta, but I can't edit the distribution at all to add annoucements | 19:29 |
| cjwatson | you'll need to ask #launchpad for help | 19:30 |
| * azeem ponders starting http://NCommanders.occupation.of.the.week.com | 19:30 | |
| NCommander | azeem: It's not like this intentionally happens to me | 19:32 |
| NCommander | azeem: I woke up this morning with the intent on porting search and rescue to SDL,a nd somehow ended up teh Nexenta archive admin and a core dev for them | 19:33 |
| azeem | happens to me all the time | 19:34 |
| NCommander | azeem: I mean, I was/am a hurd porter who got involved in m68k, fixed a bug in Ubuntu, got involved in backports, became an Xubuntu dev, then a Kubuntu dev, now an Nexenta archive admin | 19:35 |
| NCommander | ARGH | 19:35 |
| NCommander | Its hard to even find a chain of events that link all those together! | 19:35 |
| azeem | you forgot kfreebsd! | 19:35 |
| NCommander | oh yeah | 19:35 |
| NCommander | kfreebsd! | 19:35 |
| NCommander | I even ran a dak server for m68k o_O; | 19:36 |
| NCommander | And I host buildds for m68k without having any m68k hardware | 19:36 |
| NCommander | (go emulators go) | 19:36 |
| * NCommander just needs help | 19:36 | |
| NCommander | sadly, hurd never implemented that function | 19:37 |
| azeem | which function? | 19:37 |
| NCommander | ncommander_needs_help() | 19:37 |
| azeem | ah | 19:37 |
| NCommander | I do hold my Hurd CVS commit rights though as a badge of honor ;-) | 19:37 |
| NCommander | "Incredibly high tolerance for pain" | 19:37 |
| NCommander | ;-) | 19:38 |
| azeem | did you ever commit something? | 19:38 |
| NCommander | one line of code actually made it into the CVS repo | 19:39 |
| NCommander | :-) | 19:39 |
| NCommander | (ID string for realtek card I had) | 19:39 |
| NCommander | I also placed both my entropy patch and my GDB work in branchs | 19:40 |
| azeem | oh, I checked the Hurd repo, not Mach | 19:40 |
| NCommander | I don't think I commited anything to hurd directly | 19:40 |
| NCommander | Just mach | 19:40 |
| NCommander | (And a small patch to GCC) | 19:40 |
| NCommander | I wish we had a totally open laptop though (free bios and hardware), with a free CPU core | 19:41 |
| NCommander | Maybe something based around the open SPARC chips ... | 19:41 |
| NCommander | damn, that would be awesome | 19:41 |
| saivann | NCommander : I think that your gnucash patch should be applied to current gnucash package, we should not wait on debian for that since the intrepid final release will come fast | 19:54 |
| saivann | NCommander : Can you re-upload a clean patch to bug 270200 ? | 19:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270200 in gnucash "Change libgoffice dependency from 0.4 to 0.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270200 | 19:55 |
| NCommander | saivann: sure, give me a moment | 19:55 |
| saivann | NCommander : You original debdiff had unnecessary things in gnucash-2.2.6/po/POTFILES, please drop that | 19:56 |
| saivann | NCommander : The debdiff will get uploaded more easily if it's 100% revelant ;) | 19:57 |
| NCommander | saivann: :-P | 19:57 |
| NCommander | I posted the debdiff against Debian | 19:57 |
| saivann | NCommander : Thanks!! So we'll be able to sync again in the future, but from now on, I think that we'll simply update the ubuntu package | 19:58 |
| NCommander | saivann: yeah, now tb just needs to upload | 19:58 |
| NCommander | saivann: any other bugs you want me to close? | 19:58 |
| saivann | NCommander : BTW, bug 269687 would really need some attention. Can you do something to improve this? | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269687 in gtk+2.0 "Page Size greyed out in gtkprint applications." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269687 | 19:59 |
| NCommander | saivann: er? | 19:59 |
| saivann | NCommander : No, just close 270200 in your changelog | 19:59 |
| NCommander | What do you want me to change? | 19:59 |
| saivann | NCommander : I mean, is there something more you can do to help bug 269687 getting fixed? | 20:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269687 in gtk+2.0 "Page Size greyed out in gtkprint applications." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269687 | 20:00 |
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| mcasadevall | Sorry | 20:03 |
| mcasadevall | Laptop chose a great time to decide to ignore its keyboard existed | 20:03 |
| saivann | mcasadevall : :P | 20:04 |
| saivann | mcasadevall : you're on intrepid? | 20:04 |
| mcasadevall | yeah | 20:04 |
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| saivann | NCommander : Next time, perhaps you can try CTRL + ALT + F6 and CTRL + ALT + F7 to switch between consoles, that is a workaround in my case | 20:05 |
| NCommander | didn't work | 20:05 |
| saivann | NCommander : Ah | 20:05 |
| saivann | NCommander : Well I was saying, is there something more you can do to help 269687 regression to be fixed? (debug information, patch, upstream contacts, etc) | 20:06 |
| NCommander | I need to see if it happens in Debian | 20:06 |
| NCommander | Which would be my first debugging stop | 20:06 |
| NCommander | saivann: what was that bug number? | 20:06 |
| saivann | NCommander : 269687 for gtkprint regression, 270200 for libgoffice 0.6 | 20:07 |
| saivann | NCommander : I only have a stable debian here, which does not use the good gtkprint version in gedit | 20:10 |
| * NCommander nods | 20:10 | |
| saivann | NCommander : However, I have openSUSE here in VirtualBox and it has the same issue | 20:11 |
| saivann | In gedit | 20:11 |
| NCommander | Sounds like an upstream issue | 20:11 |
| saivann | I'm updating openSUSE to see if the problem is fixed by any patch | 20:12 |
| NCommander | saivann: very strange, I have to add libgtkhtml3.14 as a build-dep on Ubuntu, but on Debian, I don't O_o; | 20:21 |
| saivann | NCommander: Really? If ./configure detects that libgtkhtml3.14 is available, it's probably that it has been installed as a dependency of another package, I guess | 20:22 |
| * NCommander shrugs | 20:23 | |
| NCommander | gnucash likely hasn't been rebuilt since the gtkhtml changes | 20:23 |
| NCommander | saivann: I'm just waiting for gnucash to finish building | 20:28 |
| * NCommander doesn't like to upload debdiffs without testing building and installability | 20:29 | |
| saivann | NCommander : Great :) I also uploaded your changes to gnucash packaging team PPA, so it will be possible to test it before it gets accepted as a update | 20:30 |
| slangasek | ... there's a gnucash packaging team now? | 20:30 |
| NCommander | saivann: Er, shouldn't it just get uploaded, I thought bugfixs didn't need an Ack | 20:31 |
| NCommander | and what slangasek said | 20:31 |
| azeem | it's the BSG | 20:31 |
| slangasek | azeem: <snort> | 20:32 |
| * NCommander thinks of Battlestar Galatica | 20:32 | |
| NCommander | I think thats the sign I need sleep | 20:32 |
| saivann | slangasek : Yes :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnucash | 20:32 |
| slangasek | I don't think the Brotherhood of St. Gregory has a PPA | 20:32 |
| slangasek | saivann: ...why? | 20:32 |
| slangasek | given that gnucash is currently a sync from Debian... | 20:32 |
| NCommander | slangasek: ask siretart, he made the team | 20:33 |
| saivann | slangasek : Well, probably to help people working in team on gnucash | 20:33 |
| saivann | slangasek : At this point of intrepid release cycle, do we need to do any special request to change libgoffice build-depends from 0.4 to 0.6? | 20:34 |
| Mithrandir | slytherin: I haven't had the time lately, no | 20:34 |
| NCommander | saivann: it clears a bug (a few of them), thats a bug fix I think | 20:34 |
| saivann | NCommander : Of course, but it's also a migration, not only fixing bug | 20:34 |
| slangasek | saivann: my opinion is that reorganizing package dependencies should have to go through the freeze process | 20:35 |
| siretart | slangasek: yes, I created the gnucash team for mainly for having a PPA to provide test packages and backports. | 20:35 |
| slangasek | siretart: ah, hmm | 20:35 |
| siretart | slangasek: the main difference from the 'official' package was it enabled hbci, which until recently wasn't possible in ubuntu | 20:35 |
| siretart | I wonder if ubuntu-dev should be a member of ~gnucash, so that all ubuntu devs can upload there | 20:35 |
| NCommander | slangasek: OK, works for me, I'll write a feature freeze exception | 20:36 |
| saivann | slangasek : I agree with siretart that it's a good idea to have a gnucash PPA, it's pretty useful sometime | 20:37 |
| saivann | NCommander : Gnucash package is currently building here : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu intrepid main , in case you want to add this as a reference in the Freeze Exception process | 20:38 |
| NCommander | saivann: Its just a bug fix so you need to state which bugs it closes, any known regressions, and that I just wanted motu-release to approve it since its a dependency change | 20:40 |
| NCommander | TheMuso: poke? | 20:41 |
| saivann | NCommander : I think that the bug description already mention all that, anything missing in your opinion? | 20:42 |
| NCommander | saivann: nope | 20:42 |
| saivann | NCommander : Thanks for your work on this :) | 20:42 |
| NCommander | -release is fun, only Scott isn't in Europe so whenever I need them, they're alseep or I am :-P | 20:42 |
| NCommander | that is if I slept ;-) | 20:43 |
| saivann | NCommander : Haha :P Yeah, I think we fell almost the same :) | 20:43 |
| saivann | feel* | 20:43 |
| NCommander | saivann: its sorta become a running joke on #ubuntu-motu that I simply don't sleep | 20:44 |
| saivann | NCommander : :-D, Almost the same for me when I'm working on mozilla locales package, or Brother printer drivers packages :D | 20:45 |
| saivann | NCommander : 269687 is reproducible on openSUSE with all updates, I guess we should report this upstream | 20:47 |
| NCommander | works for me, but the bug is kinda vague | 20:48 |
| * NCommander did the updates for Gnucash, you can have the fun of the upstream bug ;-) | 20:48 | |
| saivann | NCommander : No problem, thanks again :) | 20:51 |
| mrooney | slangasek: james_w mentioned I might mention bug #231130 to you and kwii, it might save ~2MB on the ISO | 20:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 231130 in ubuntu-wallpapers "simple-ubuntu.png is really elephant-skin.jpg and is toooo big (was converted from jpg to png)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/231130 | 20:59 |
| james_w | would running module-assistant at update-initramfs time be a really bad idea? | 21:34 |
| james_w | someone that understands these things better than me may want to respond to bug 241053 | 21:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 241053 in loop-aes-utils "loop-aes module is not available when update-initramfs is run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/241053 | 21:35 |
| DaBonBon | hi. is there any chance that texlive 2008 will make it to intrepid now? | 21:37 |
| DaBonBon | it's a significantly updated version, and if intrepid misses it, we won't have a new one for 6 months | 21:37 |
| DaBonBon | and 6 months after that a new version will be released | 21:37 |
| lukehasnoname | Is cdimage.ubuntu.com | 22:30 |
| lukehasnoname | down | 22:30 |
| lukehasnoname | eh | 22:36 |
| mdz | lukehasnoname: it seems to be, yes | 22:58 |
| lukehasnoname | it's back up for me | 22:59 |
| lukehasnoname | heh | 22:59 |
| mdz | there are multiple systems load balanced, it may be that one of them is down | 22:59 |
| lukehasnoname | ah | 22:59 |
| lukehasnoname | makes sense | 22:59 |
| jdong | canonical may be having some flukes? Earlier this morning the forums were on-and-off with the frontend proxy throwing 503's | 23:00 |
| mdz | I've filed an RT about cdimage | 23:00 |
| lukehasnoname | I noticed that too. Is ubuntuforums hosted by Canonical? | 23:00 |
| lukehasnoname | in other news, o3magazine.com is down as well, I think | 23:01 |
| lukehasnoname | I'm going home, be back in a few | 23:02 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: What can I do for you? | 23:41 |
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