[00:29] <CrankWidow> hmm.. is apt-get installing recommends by default now?
[00:30] <CrankWidow> or is my debconf set wonky..
[00:30] <ScottK-laptop> CrankWidow: It's default in Intrepid.
[00:31] <CrankWidow> thus.. --no-install-recommends will be a new few chars in my apt-get commands :)
[00:31] <CrankWidow> esp when packages recommend module sources
[00:34] <ScottK-laptop> CrankWidow: If recommends are excessive, please file bugs.
[00:34] <CrankWidow> sounds like a plan
[00:34] <CrankWidow> moving true recommendations to suggestion status?
[00:34] <CrankWidow> err.. mild recommendations
[00:34] <CrankWidow> sorry.
[00:37] <ScottK-laptop> CrankWidow: Before filing bugs, I recommend reading the definition for Suggests/Recommends in Debian Policy.
[00:38] <CrankWidow> word
[00:46] <calc> my sister is reporting to me about the damage around my home
[00:46] <calc> apparently its fine but lots of flooding nearby
[01:30] <Hobbsee> you know, what would make intrepid perfect would be if it supported all of my multimedia keys.
[01:31] <wgrant> Hobbsee: System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts doesn't help?
[01:37] <slangasek> Hobbsee: regression from hardy for you?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> slangasek: regression from gutsy.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> wgrant: nope.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> my "next track" never gets a keycode, at all.
[01:38] <slangasek> the current model doesn't use X keypress events for media keys
[01:38] <Hobbsee> what's the official way for debugging it now?
[01:38] <slangasek> hal grabs them directly and dumps them to dbus
[01:38] <slangasek> dbus-monitor, perhaps?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> slangasek: right - i get the rest of the keys thru that, but not next track.
[01:40] <slangasek> hmm
[01:40] <slangasek> then I guess that's hal's fault :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> tail -f /var/log/kern.log doesn't mention it, so the kernel's not ignoring it.
[01:41]  * Mithrandir tickles the green alien
[01:41] <Hobbsee> hey Mithrandir!
[01:42]  * Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet
[01:42]  * LaserJock wonders why Hobbsee thinks that would hurt
[01:42]  * Mithrandir watches Hobbsee's feet turn blue as she stomped on steel-toed boots.
[01:42]  * wgrant stomps on LaserJock.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: awww
[01:43]  * Mithrandir hugs Hobbsee 
[01:43] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: based on what I saw at UDS, when I stomped on someone else's foot, apparently it does hurt.
[01:43]  * Hobbsee hugs Mithrandir back :)
[01:44] <Hobbsee> racarr's foot.
[01:44] <LaserJock> well, no offense, but that's not saying much
[01:45] <Hobbsee> heh.
[01:45] <Hobbsee> slangasek: i don't suppose you have a guide or something that talks about keycodes and hal?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> hm, lshal -m doesn't come up with *any* of the keys, whether they're picked up in xev or not.
[01:52] <LaserJock> slangasek: are the dailies being tested at all yet?
[01:52] <slangasek> Hobbsee: no, I only have what I've gleaned over the past week while debugging my own keyboard issues :/
[01:52] <slangasek> LaserJock: "yet"?  daily CD images have been getting smoke tested for some time, in between the periods of breakage
[01:53] <LaserJock> slangasek: I was thinking in preparation for the next Alpha
[01:53] <Hobbsee> slangasek: right. :-S so on that basis, what should I do for reporting a bug about this?
[01:53] <slangasek> LaserJock: ah; we're a bit early for that, currently we have a problem with python2.5 pulling in 9MB of tcl/tk crap
[01:53] <slangasek> Hobbsee: um... file a bug on hal, and make pitti fix it :-)
[01:53] <LaserJock> heh
[01:54] <slangasek> LaserJock: (which is a problem because it makes the liveCDs oversized...)
[01:54] <LaserJock> sure
[01:54] <LaserJock> I was just gonna maybe build a new Intrepid VM and wondered what my chances of getting it to install were
[01:56] <LaserJock> man I wish VMware Player could do snapshots
[01:56] <slangasek> should be pretty good
[01:57] <wgrant> LaserJock: Why not use something less restrictive like KVM or VirtualBox?
[01:58] <LaserJock> well, because VMWare Player is the fastest
[01:58] <LaserJock> it's a pain, granted, but it seems to have the best performance
[01:59] <LaserJock> I suppose I could install vmware server to make VMs and do snapshots and player for actual use
[01:59] <LaserJock> but that seems like an awful lot of work
[02:03] <LaserJock> is KVM any faster than qemu if you don't have a CPU with vmx/svm?
[02:04] <persia> Recent versions of KVM won't even fall back to qemu if you don't have the right CPU.
[02:04] <persia> Installing kqemu-source can help to make qemu faster on such chips.
[02:04] <LaserJock> I see
[02:09] <Hobbsee> slangasek: saying what?  Beyond "this key doesn't work on this machine"
[02:09] <slangasek> I don't know
[02:09] <slangasek> but I think saying just that much is sufficient to establish that there's a bug, so
[02:22] <johanbr> Hobbsee: dell?
[02:23] <hardwire> we talking windows here?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> johanbr: yes.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> johanbr: 6400
[02:23] <johanbr> I have the same problem here on my Inspiron 1420.
[02:28] <slangasek> hardwire: uh... never? :)
[02:28]  * hardwire heard "key"
[02:28] <hardwire> I just assume the worst
[02:29] <slangasek> we also have keys in Ubuntu (?)
[02:35] <hardwire> oh yeh. :)
[04:08] <calc> hey got a question its important
[04:09] <calc> where is the information for the top panel bar stored in the user dir?
[04:09] <RAOF> ~/.gconf
[04:09] <calc> davidm's panel bar got eaten, maybe by the deskbar-applet 2.22.3 update
[04:09] <calc> RAOF: oh it is?
[04:09] <RAOF> Yup.
[04:10] <RAOF> Specifically, /apps/panel, I believe.
[04:10] <calc> ok we'll try backing his up the overwriting it
[04:13] <RAOF> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel should reset the panels to the default layout.
[04:13] <calc> still doidn't work
[04:13] <erast> hi
[04:15] <calc> trying the new command now
[04:15] <erast> NCommander told me that debarchiver obsolete. in nexenta we still using it, what is the preferred tool these days?
[04:15] <NCommander> erast: its not really obsolete, but its not meant to handle an entire archive, it has no NEW queue or other advanced features last time I used it
[04:16] <erast> i forgot, what is the new tool?
[04:16] <calc> the killed the bar entirely, lets see on login
[04:16] <calc> that fixed it, thanks! :)
[04:17] <erast> regarding buildd and missing deps, we uploaded ~ 100 new packages including xorg and samba
[04:20] <erast> wow... nexenta's version of debarchiver indeed prehistoric... 0.4
[04:21] <calc> he ran low on disk space in home earlier today and apparently gconf decided to eat the panel
[04:21] <calc> but now its fixed :)
[04:27] <NCommander> erast: wow, upgrade that antique :-)
[04:28] <NCommander> if nothing else
[04:28] <NCommander> jdong: I'm uploading the updated ktorrent to the PPA
[04:29] <jdong> NCommander: cool
[04:30] <erast> NCommander: i'm thinking if Nexenta developers need to send patches directly to its immediate upstream (ubuntu) or to the debian maintainers?
[04:31] <NCommander> erast: interesting question, probably upstream unless upstream is completely dead
[04:31] <ScottK> erast: It probably depends if the package in question was modified by Ubuntu.
[04:31] <ScottK> NCommander: We're not dead.
[04:32] <ScottK> erast: Also it's important to explain what the patch is for and why it's relevant in Debian/Ubuntu.
[04:32] <NCommander> ScottK: I meant the package maintainers, as upstream as in them
[04:32] <NCommander> jdong: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+bug/267494
[04:32] <erast> ScottK: OpenSolaris porting fixes mainly
[04:33] <ScottK> erast: Probably to Debian then unless it's a package with a big Ubuntu diff already.
[04:34] <jdong> NCommander: looks pretty good from the debdiff; do you think you can find a few people to test it, or give it a longer term test with DHT enabled?
[04:34] <jdong> NCommander: I've been a bit gun-shy about ktorrent updates because they tend to regress like that
[04:35] <NCommander> I don't use ktorrent
[04:35] <NCommander> (or hardy even regularly)
[04:35] <NCommander> So I have no idea where to find testers
[04:35] <ScottK> Isn't there an #ubuntu-torrent
[04:35] <jdong> NCommander: put a link up to the PPA in the bug report and let's wait a week to see if anything happens
[04:36] <jdong> NCommander: I've been through enough ktorrent releases to know not to trust their 0.0.1 release bumps
[04:36] <NCommander> jdong: ok
[04:54] <suornam> hi
[04:54] <suornam> sometimes i find myself updating my system, and i forget to give the go-ahead to download all the packages
[04:55] <erast> NCommander, ScottK: added section to Nexenta policy: http://www.nexenta.org/os/NexentaRepositoryPolicyMain
[04:55] <erast> thanks
[04:55] <suornam> has there ever been any talk over potentially just starting the download any way and then asking only upon installation? some sort of option to aptitude or apt-get perhaps?
[05:07] <suornam> i know opera does something similar when you download files, it begins to cache some percentage of it and if you decide not to download a file, opera discards it
[05:12] <jdong> suornam: most browsers do this. it'll start downloading while waiting for you to answer the question
[05:12] <jdong> whether or not APT will do it is another story
[05:13] <jdong> you can make your own alias to first apt-get -d install
[05:13] <jdong> then apt-get install
[05:14] <bryce> JonCruz, whoa that's awesome
[05:15] <suornam> jdong: interesting
[05:16] <jdong> and poof.
[05:16] <wgrant> At least it wasn't a 15-second driveby
[05:16] <wgrant> Does anybody know anything about checksums?
[05:16] <wgrant> And now I part in about 10 seconds.
[05:48] <NCommander> Oh geeze
[05:48] <NCommander> I'm getting a Mozilla EULA
[05:48] <NCommander> I thought this was fixed
[05:54] <LaserJock> anybody know if you have to tell qemu to use kqemu? or does it just use it if it finds it?
[05:57] <LaserJock> nvm, I think I figured it out
[06:03] <wgrant> NCommander: It's not a bug.
[06:03] <wgrant> NCommander: See bug #269656
[06:03] <NCommander> wgrant: well, its in a bug ;-)
[06:03]  * NCommander runs for the bad pun
[08:10] <TheMuso> RAOF: Just a heads up theres another pulseaudio revision to be downloaded and installed. I have fetched a few fixes from git.
[08:10] <RAOF> TheMuso: Testing it right now; still underruns!
[08:11] <RAOF> Not a lot, and it seems that some songs trigger this more than others.
[08:11] <TheMuso> Hrm very interesting.
[08:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: You a member of the pulse-rt group?
[08:11] <RAOF> Yes
[08:11] <TheMuso> gah!
[08:12] <TheMuso> I need to give pulse a run from my various hda capable systems.
[08:12] <RAOF> It's grabbing it's realtime signal, nice value, and HPET just fine.
[08:12] <RAOF> (Incidentally, "Fresh high-resolution timers available! Bon appetit!" is a cool debug message)
[08:13] <TheMuso> Agreed.
[08:14] <TheMuso> RAOF: If you can reply to your bug with some fresh log messages, I'll talk to Lennart about it. I suspect its alsa, but need his confirmation from reading the logs.
[08:14] <RAOF> I'll try some different players, too.
[08:22] <RAOF> Hm, next piece of interesting behaviour?  It only prints I: underrun messages if I've got a pavucontrol connected.  If I don't, it still underruns, but doesn't print a message.
[08:30] <TheMuso> RAOF: Very interesting.
[08:32] <RAOF> Woo!  That's somewhat of a regression, too!
[08:32] <TheMuso> RAOF: What is?
[08:32] <RAOF> Transferring a stream from usb -> hda.  It transfers immediately, then switches back to usb after ~1/4 of a sec for ~1/2 a sec, then settles back on hda.
[08:33] <TheMuso> ouch! I have a USB sound card, so I'll try that myself a bit later.
[08:33] <TheMuso> RAOF: What did you use to transfer the stream? Maybe using the pactl command to transfer it may yield different results.
[08:37] <RAOF> TheMuso: Same result with pactl
[08:37] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok, I'll check it out myself later, and take it up with Lennart. I am starting to think that we will have to stick to 0.9.10.
[08:38] <RAOF> Grr.
[08:38] <RAOF> The underruns aren't _that_ annoying :/
[08:44] <RAOF> You know, it may be that gstreamer is also involved in this, given the strange apparent codec-dependency.
[08:44] <wgrant> FWIW, I appear to be getting underruns on 0.9.10.
[08:44] <wgrant> But only from a day or two ago.
[08:52] <TheMuso> wgrant: Would it be possible for you to try 0.9.12 from my PPA? http://launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive? Note that this will also pull in a new libasound2, with some fixes from git.
[08:53] <wgrant> TheMuso: Sure, doing so now.
[08:53] <TheMuso> wgrant: Thanks.
[13:08] <NCommander> RainCT: please do me a favor, and join #kubuntu-devel and talk with apachelogger
[16:41] <slytherin> Mithrandir: are you still looking into the bluetooth packages?
[17:39] <slytherin> can anyone please ack bug #268097
[18:20] <NCommander> saivann: ping
[18:22] <saivann> NCommander : pong
[18:23] <NCommander> saivann: I did some debugging on the gnucash printing issue
[18:23] <NCommander> It's not a bug in goffice/gnucash
[18:23] <NCommander> It only manifests itself with -0-6 because gnucash will use GTK's print mechanism over its own
[18:23] <saivann> NCommander : You speak about missing options when gnucash is built with libgoffice 0.6 ?
[18:23] <NCommander> yeah
[18:24] <NCommander> Its a rather interesting case
[18:24] <saivann> NCommander : Oh, so what is the guilty package? :)
[18:24] <NCommander> gtkprint
[18:24] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/269687
[18:24] <NCommander> If you try something else that uses gtkprint, like gnumeric
[18:24] <NCommander> Same problem
[18:24] <saivann> NCommander : Did you find a bug in gtkprint for that issue?
[18:25] <NCommander> Well, er ...
[18:25] <NCommander> I don't have a printer
[18:25] <saivann> NCommander : Ah :)
[18:25] <NCommander> So its kinda hard for me to test beyond this
[18:26] <NCommander> What printer are you trying?
[18:26] <NCommander> (it might be an issue with your specific printer vs anything else)
[18:26] <saivann> NCommander : That makes sense
[18:27] <saivann> Ncommander : Mmh I doubt that it's printer specific because I have the same result with my HP printer and with cups-pdf printer
[18:27]  * NCommander plugs in his HP printer
[18:27] <NCommander> It may not work, but at least Ubuntu sees it
[18:27] <saivann> NCommander : HP, normally all HP printers works!
[18:28] <saivann> NCommander : Do you know how we can test more applications that uses gtkprint? How to find these?
[18:28] <NCommander> Most GNOME ones use it
[18:28] <NCommander> gnumeric uses it
[18:29] <saivann> NCommander : Oh.. yeah, even gedit
[18:30] <NCommander> weee
[18:30] <NCommander> PLugging in a new printer crashed things
[18:30] <NCommander> saivann: well, can you set page opens in gedit/gnumeric?
[18:32] <saivann> NCommand : The problem is exactly the same with gtkprint, unfortunately
[18:32] <saivann> s/gtkprint/gedit/
[18:32] <NCommander> at least its not gnucash specific
[18:32] <NCommander> (gnucash's code is a horrid trainwreck of messyness)
[18:33] <saivann> NCommander : Definitively not, and since it's not breaking anything too important, I think that we can't consider this as a blocker for libgoffice 0.6
[18:34] <saivann> NCommander : The reports are still printed correctly, we should report the gtkprint issue so this bug get fixed everywhere. Apparently, this bug also appears on hardy, so this is not a regression
[18:34] <NCommander> I can see at least two bugs related to this issue filed against gtk+2.0
[18:34] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/183126
[18:34] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/258794
[18:35]  * NCommander reassigns the bug to gtk
[18:38] <saivann> NCommander : I guess that 183126 should be a duplicate of 258794
[18:39] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/gnucash/+bug/269687 - bug reassigned, although I can't seem to drop the remote watch
[18:39] <saivann> NCommander : I just tested with gutsy and feisty and the bug is not there, the bug appeared with hardy
[18:40]  * NCommander nomiates for release
[18:41] <NCommander> saivann: Well, the bug is filed
[18:41] <NCommander> siretart: ping
[18:42] <NCommander> saivann: aside from this issue, did you find any other goffice-0-6 bgs?
[18:42] <siretart> NCommander: what's up?
[18:42] <saivann> NCommander : No, and the fonts are cleaner, it even fixes a crash bug that I did not get to find
[18:43] <NCommander> siretart: ghc6 :-)
[18:43] <siretart> haskell!
[18:43] <NCommander> Namely the 6.3 transition
[18:43] <saivann> siretart : Hi
[18:43] <siretart> hey saivann
[18:43] <NCommander> We have a few packages that really need the speed improvements of 6.3
[18:44] <NCommander> But the transition would take too long and its too late in intrepid's cycle
[18:44] <NCommander> I suggested we package 6.3 ghc as a seperate source package, and then rebuild each package that needs it (darcs comes to mind)
[18:44] <NCommander> I was told to talk to you on this
[18:44]  * siretart never touched a haskell related package before. are you sure you don't confuse me with sistpoty?
[18:45] <NCommander> oh wait
[18:45] <NCommander> shoot
[18:45] <NCommander> damn, not enough coffee DEVERROR
[18:46] <NCommander> saivann: so you going to upload my debdiff :-)
[18:47]  * NCommander notes it should be updated to include the new bug numbers
[18:47] <siretart> saivann: what's the plan with gnucash? go with the new upstream version? or backport the patches?
[18:48] <saivann> siretart NCommander : I want to work with debian since we sync the package. There is a lot of chances that 2.2.7 get released in the next week so I want to get it into debian and then sync it
[18:49] <NCommander> saivann: well, we need to also get this change into Debian
[18:49] <saivann> Ncommander : I think that we should include your patch, yes. Did you forward this to debian?
[18:49] <NCommander> saivann: I made a request that the change be made, but I didn't post a debdiff
[18:49] <NCommander> (there is a link to the Ubuntu bug)
[18:50] <saivann> NCommander : I'll take care of the debian patch
[18:50] <NCommander> saivann: I'll do that, I need another NMU for my NM application ;-)
[18:51] <saivann> NCommander : Oh, go ahead then :)
[18:51] <NCommander> Well, someone still needs to upload the patch; are you the debian gnucash maintainer?
[18:52] <saivann> NCommander : No, the debian maintainer is Thomad Bushnell, and he generally uploads new gnucash version in a short time, especially when you gives him a already prepared package
[18:52] <saivann> Thomas Bushnell*
[18:53] <NCommander> I know him
[18:53] <NCommander> He works on Hurd ;-)
[18:54] <saivann> NCommander : If he does not update gnucash to 2.2.7 in the required time, we'll have to do a ubuntu package. I'll make sure that we don't miss the train.
[18:55] <saivann> NCommander : Nice :)
[18:55] <NCommander> I'll roll a NMU patch
[18:55] <siretart> saivann: out of curiosity, do you think that package would make it to lenny? if yes, why?
[18:56] <saivann> siretart : Oh, I'm not aware of current debian release cycle, I assumed that it would be easily updated to 2.2.7 since it's a bugfix release
[18:56] <siretart> saivann: no, every debdiff gets hand reviewed since the beginning of the freeze.
[18:58] <saivann> siretart : Thanks for this information. Then it might be interesting to re-consider using upstream patches and creating a ubuntu package..
[18:58] <saivann> siretart : I have no idea if it can get into debian at this point, in your opinion?
[19:01]  * NCommander tests building in sid
[19:03] <saivann> NCommander : You said that gnucash was one of the last app that depends on libgoffice 0.4 ?
[19:03] <siretart> saivann: without having reviewed the diff between the versions, I cannot answer that. it mainly depends how many bugs with severity >= important the new release fixes
[19:03] <siretart> you might convince thomas to upload to experimental, though
[19:04] <NCommander> saivann: the only other rdepends is gnome-chemistry-utils, and that already moved to goffice-0-6 upstream
[19:04] <NCommander> I haven't seen if the old source will build against goffice-0-6
[19:04] <NCommander> If it does, that clears the rdepends on 0-4
[19:05] <saivann> siretart : That sounds like a possibility, however, would it be really "unclean" that we release our own gnucash package for the 2.2.7 if it is not uploaded to debian in time?
[19:05]  * NCommander would like to drop goffice this release if possible
[19:05] <NCommander> 0.4
[19:05] <NCommander> I want to drop gtk1.2 for jaunty ;-)
[19:06] <siretart> saivann: just make sure that we end up with the same orig.tar.gz as in debian
[19:06] <siretart> saivann: but since we are in freeze as well, a freeze exception is necessary in ubuntu as well
[19:06] <NCommander> saivann: a goal of mine is to remove gtk 1.2 from Ubuntu and Debian, care to help work towards that goal?
[19:07] <saivann> siretart : Yes, if there is no critical bug fixes in 2.2.7, I'll simply request patches for libgoffice and HBCI to be added to the package as a update
[19:08] <cjwatson> NCommander: are you volunteering to port the remaining programs to gtk2? great!
[19:08] <NCommander> cjwatson: well, I'm learning how to
[19:08] <NCommander> cjwatson: 132 rdepends left
[19:08] <NCommander> That's going to be a fun bug :-)
[19:09] <NCommander> Probably a record too
[19:09] <cjwatson> putty is ported upstream, btw, just waiting for a new release
[19:09] <NCommander> cjwatson: the only problem I found with 1.2 to 2.0 porting is that freeing code from depericated APIs is a pain
[19:09] <saivann> NCommander : I would, but I already have many projects :) However, I'll do my best so your debdiff for gnucash gets uploaded for intrepid
[19:09] <NCommander> i.e. using PangoLayout over gtk_draw_screen
[19:10] <NCommander> cjwatson: any tips ;-)?
[19:10] <cjwatson> RTFM ;-)
[19:10] <NCommander> RTFM isn't that greatly detailed
[19:10] <cjwatson> (carefully ...)
[19:10] <cjwatson> the GTK manuals are excellent
[19:11] <NCommander> the porting one isn't
[19:11] <cjwatson> IME, anyway
[19:11] <NCommander> It's pretty vague
[19:11] <cjwatson> sure, but you can figure it out from the ordinary reference documentation (old and new)
[19:11] <NCommander> The problem with porting to 2.0 is I don't know 1.2 at all ;-)
[19:11] <NCommander> "What does this function do?"
[19:11] <NCommander> ;-)
[19:11] <cjwatson> hence using the old reference docs as well
[19:12] <saivann> NCommander : Perhaps that bug 269687 would need to be reported upstream, can you do that?
[19:13] <NCommander> saivann: do you have access to a sid box?
[19:13] <NCommander> (lets just see if it exists in Debian)
[19:13] <saivann> NCommander : No I don't
[19:14] <NCommander> we need a vict^W voluteer
[19:15] <NCommander> cjwatson: BTW, can you weigh in on a bug for me?
[19:15] <cjwatson> NCommander: that depends on the bug
[19:15] <NCommander> cjwatson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghc6/+bug/263773 - do you believe my solution is fessible
[19:15] <NCommander> (ghc6 fun)
[19:16] <cjwatson> I really don't know anything about Haskell and don't think I'm qualified to judge, sorry
[19:17] <NCommander> cjwatson: roughly speaking, would it be acceptable to package the new version of the compiler as a new source package, and then transition the packages that need it
[19:18] <cjwatson> yes, I did understand the comment, but I still don't want to make a decision about a language family I don't use and whose packaging I've never looked at
[19:18] <cjwatson> I don't know what implications that might have
[19:20] <azeem> darcs seems to Build-Depend on quite a few haskell libs
[19:21] <NCommander> cjwatson: ok
[19:21] <NCommander> azeem: yeah, I noticed that too, its not a pretty situation
[19:22] <azeem> NCommander: so what are you going to do with those?  Have new source packages for them as well?
[19:22] <NCommander> azeem: now that you pointed that out, I retract my idea
[19:26] <NCommander> cjwatson: are you able to edit distributions on Launchpad, or do I need to find a LP admin to get one changed
[19:28] <cjwatson> NCommander: only Ubuntu
[19:29] <NCommander> cjwatson: strange. I'm in the drivers for Nexenta, but I can't edit the distribution at all to add annoucements
[19:30] <cjwatson> you'll need to ask #launchpad for help
[19:30]  * azeem ponders starting http://NCommanders.occupation.of.the.week.com
[19:32] <NCommander> azeem: It's not like this intentionally happens to me
[19:33] <NCommander> azeem: I woke up this morning with the intent on porting search and rescue to SDL,a nd somehow ended up teh Nexenta archive admin and a core dev for them
[19:34] <azeem> happens to me all the time
[19:35] <NCommander> azeem: I mean, I was/am a hurd porter who got involved in m68k, fixed a bug in Ubuntu, got involved in backports, became an Xubuntu dev, then a Kubuntu dev, now an Nexenta archive admin
[19:35] <NCommander> ARGH
[19:35] <NCommander> Its hard to even find a chain of events that link all those together!
[19:35] <azeem> you forgot kfreebsd!
[19:35] <NCommander> oh yeah
[19:35] <NCommander> kfreebsd!
[19:36] <NCommander> I even ran a dak server for m68k o_O;
[19:36] <NCommander> And I host buildds for m68k without having any m68k hardware
[19:36] <NCommander> (go emulators go)
[19:36]  * NCommander just needs help
[19:37] <NCommander> sadly, hurd never implemented that function
[19:37] <azeem> which function?
[19:37] <NCommander> ncommander_needs_help()
[19:37] <azeem> ah
[19:37] <NCommander> I do hold my Hurd CVS commit rights though as a badge of honor ;-)
[19:37] <NCommander> "Incredibly high tolerance for pain"
[19:38] <NCommander> ;-)
[19:38] <azeem> did you ever commit something?
[19:39] <NCommander> one line of code actually made it into the CVS repo
[19:39] <NCommander> :-)
[19:39] <NCommander> (ID string for realtek card I had)
[19:40] <NCommander> I also placed both my entropy patch and my GDB work in branchs
[19:40] <azeem> oh, I checked the Hurd repo, not Mach
[19:40] <NCommander> I don't think I commited anything to hurd directly
[19:40] <NCommander> Just mach
[19:40] <NCommander> (And a small patch to GCC)
[19:41] <NCommander> I wish we had a totally open laptop though (free bios and hardware), with a free CPU core
[19:41] <NCommander> Maybe something based around the open SPARC chips ...
[19:41] <NCommander> damn, that would be awesome
[19:54] <saivann> NCommander : I think that your gnucash patch should be applied to current gnucash package, we should not wait on debian for that since the intrepid final release will come fast
[19:55] <saivann> NCommander : Can you re-upload a clean patch to bug 270200 ?
[19:55] <NCommander> saivann: sure, give me a moment
[19:56] <saivann> NCommander : You original debdiff had unnecessary things in gnucash-2.2.6/po/POTFILES, please drop that
[19:57] <saivann> NCommander : The debdiff will get uploaded more easily if it's 100% revelant ;)
[19:57] <NCommander> saivann: :-P
[19:57] <NCommander> I posted the debdiff against Debian
[19:58] <saivann> NCommander : Thanks!! So we'll be able to sync again in the future, but from now on, I think that we'll simply update the ubuntu package
[19:58] <NCommander> saivann: yeah, now tb just needs to upload
[19:58] <NCommander> saivann: any other bugs you want me to close?
[19:59] <saivann> NCommander : BTW, bug 269687 would really need some attention. Can you do something to improve this?
[19:59] <NCommander> saivann: er?
[19:59] <saivann> NCommander : No, just close 270200 in your changelog
[19:59] <NCommander> What do you want me to change?
[20:00] <saivann> NCommander : I mean, is there something more you can do to help bug 269687 getting fixed?
[20:03] <mcasadevall> Sorry
[20:03] <mcasadevall> Laptop chose a great time to decide to ignore its keyboard existed
[20:04] <saivann> mcasadevall : :P
[20:04] <saivann> mcasadevall : you're on intrepid?
[20:04] <mcasadevall> yeah
[20:05] <saivann> NCommander : Next time, perhaps you can try CTRL + ALT + F6 and CTRL + ALT + F7 to switch between consoles, that is a workaround in my case
[20:05] <NCommander> didn't work
[20:05] <saivann> NCommander : Ah
[20:06] <saivann> NCommander : Well I was saying, is there something more you can do to help 269687 regression to be fixed? (debug information, patch, upstream contacts, etc)
[20:06] <NCommander> I need to see if it happens in Debian
[20:06] <NCommander> Which would be my first debugging stop
[20:06] <NCommander> saivann: what was that bug number?
[20:07] <saivann> NCommander : 269687 for gtkprint regression, 270200 for libgoffice 0.6
[20:10] <saivann> NCommander : I only have a stable debian here, which does not use the good gtkprint version in gedit
[20:10]  * NCommander nods
[20:11] <saivann> NCommander : However, I have openSUSE here in VirtualBox and it has the same issue
[20:11] <saivann> In gedit
[20:11] <NCommander> Sounds like an upstream issue
[20:12] <saivann> I'm updating openSUSE to see if the problem is fixed by any patch
[20:21] <NCommander> saivann: very strange, I have to add libgtkhtml3.14 as a build-dep on Ubuntu, but on Debian, I don't O_o;
[20:22] <saivann> NCommander: Really? If ./configure detects that libgtkhtml3.14 is available, it's probably that it has been installed as a dependency of another package, I guess
[20:23]  * NCommander shrugs
[20:23] <NCommander> gnucash likely hasn't been rebuilt since the gtkhtml changes
[20:28] <NCommander> saivann: I'm just waiting for gnucash to finish building
[20:29]  * NCommander doesn't like to upload debdiffs without testing building and installability
[20:30] <saivann> NCommander : Great :) I also uploaded your changes to gnucash packaging team PPA, so it will be possible to test it before it gets accepted as a update
[20:30] <slangasek> ... there's a gnucash packaging team now?
[20:31] <NCommander> saivann: Er, shouldn't it just get uploaded, I thought bugfixs didn't need an Ack
[20:31] <NCommander> and what slangasek said
[20:31] <azeem> it's the BSG
[20:32] <slangasek> azeem: <snort>
[20:32]  * NCommander thinks of Battlestar Galatica
[20:32] <NCommander> I think thats the sign I need sleep
[20:32] <saivann> slangasek : Yes :) https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnucash
[20:32] <slangasek> I don't think the Brotherhood of St. Gregory has a PPA
[20:32] <slangasek> saivann: ...why?
[20:32] <slangasek> given that gnucash is currently a sync from Debian...
[20:33] <NCommander> slangasek: ask siretart, he made the team
[20:33] <saivann> slangasek : Well, probably to help people working in team on gnucash
[20:34] <saivann> slangasek : At this point of intrepid release cycle, do we need to do any special request to change libgoffice build-depends from 0.4 to 0.6?
[20:34] <Mithrandir> slytherin: I haven't had the time lately, no
[20:34] <NCommander> saivann: it clears a bug (a few of them), thats a bug fix I think
[20:34] <saivann> NCommander : Of course, but it's also a migration, not only fixing bug
[20:35] <slangasek> saivann: my opinion is that reorganizing package dependencies should have to go through the freeze process
[20:35] <siretart> slangasek: yes, I created the gnucash team for mainly for having a PPA to provide test packages and backports.
[20:35] <slangasek> siretart: ah, hmm
[20:35] <siretart> slangasek: the main difference from the 'official' package was it enabled hbci, which until recently wasn't possible in ubuntu
[20:35] <siretart> I wonder if ubuntu-dev should be a member of ~gnucash, so that all ubuntu devs can upload there
[20:36] <NCommander> slangasek: OK, works for me, I'll write a feature freeze exception
[20:37] <saivann> slangasek : I agree with siretart that it's a good idea to have a gnucash PPA, it's pretty useful sometime
[20:38] <saivann> NCommander : Gnucash package is currently building here : deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnucash/ubuntu intrepid main , in case you want to add this as a reference in the Freeze Exception process
[20:40] <NCommander> saivann: Its just a bug fix so you need to state which bugs it closes, any known regressions, and that I just wanted motu-release to approve it since its a dependency change
[20:41] <NCommander> TheMuso: poke?
[20:42] <saivann> NCommander : I think that the bug description already mention all that, anything missing in your opinion?
[20:42] <NCommander> saivann: nope
[20:42] <saivann> NCommander : Thanks for your work on this :)
[20:42] <NCommander> -release is fun, only Scott isn't in Europe so whenever I need them, they're alseep or I am :-P
[20:43] <NCommander> that is if I slept ;-)
[20:43] <saivann> NCommander : Haha :P Yeah, I think we fell almost the same :)
[20:43] <saivann> feel*
[20:44] <NCommander> saivann: its sorta become a running joke on #ubuntu-motu that I simply don't sleep
[20:45] <saivann> NCommander : :-D, Almost the same for me when I'm working on mozilla locales package, or Brother printer drivers packages :D
[20:47] <saivann> NCommander : 269687 is reproducible on openSUSE with all updates, I guess we should report this upstream
[20:48] <NCommander> works for me, but the bug is kinda vague
[20:48]  * NCommander did the updates for Gnucash, you can have the fun of the upstream bug ;-)
[20:51] <saivann> NCommander : No problem, thanks again :)
[20:59] <mrooney> slangasek: james_w mentioned I might mention bug #231130 to you and kwii, it might save ~2MB on the ISO
[21:34] <james_w> would running module-assistant at update-initramfs time be a really bad idea?
[21:35] <james_w> someone that understands these things better than me may want to respond to bug 241053
[21:37] <DaBonBon> hi. is there any chance that texlive 2008 will make it to intrepid now?
[21:37] <DaBonBon> it's a significantly updated version, and if intrepid misses it, we won't have a new one for 6 months
[21:37] <DaBonBon> and 6 months after that a new version will be released
[22:30] <lukehasnoname> Is cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:30] <lukehasnoname> down
[22:36] <lukehasnoname> eh
[22:58] <mdz> lukehasnoname: it seems to be, yes
[22:59] <lukehasnoname> it's back up for me
[22:59] <lukehasnoname> heh
[22:59] <mdz> there are multiple systems load balanced, it may be that one of them is down
[22:59] <lukehasnoname> ah
[22:59] <lukehasnoname> makes sense
[23:00] <jdong> canonical may be having some flukes? Earlier this morning the forums were on-and-off with the frontend proxy throwing 503's
[23:00] <mdz> I've filed an RT about cdimage
[23:00] <lukehasnoname> I noticed that too. Is ubuntuforums hosted by Canonical?
[23:01] <lukehasnoname> in other news, o3magazine.com is down as well, I think
[23:02] <lukehasnoname> I'm going home, be back in a few
[23:41] <TheMuso> NCommander: What can I do for you?