[09:59] <mdke> morning all
[21:02] <technomensc2> hey Matt.....
[21:06] <mdke> technomensc2: hi
[21:07] <mdke> my irc client hilights on Matt, but in general, best to use people's nicknames to make sure they see you callin
[21:07] <technomensc2> ::nod:::
[21:07] <technomensc2> understood
[21:09] <technomensc2> hope you don't mind, but I bumped up the category to tag on our to do list and linked to it from the mian wiki todo list
[21:10] <mdke> no, that's great, thanks
[21:10] <technomensc2> From the looks of things, we might be able to completely remove discontinued and noparent by the end of today
[21:11] <mdke> cool
[21:11] <technomensc2> the lengthy part will be categorydocumentation, and integrating them into the main help wiki
[21:11] <technomensc2> as well as the clenaup effort
[21:12] <technomensc2> it looks liike duncan has been tagging like a mad person :)
[21:14] <mdke> hmm, I can't see that on RecentChanges. I wonder if something is wrong with it
[21:14] <technomensc2> before I touch anything, have you been working on moving the wiki team stuff to the wiki.???  I vaguely remember hearing you say something about it
[21:15] <mdke> yeah, but I'm still turning it over in my mind a bit
[21:16] <technomensc2> want me to leave it alone then rather than do the move?  I was thinking it might be easier to do the move after the links for the categories have been fixed up
[21:16] <mdke> well, I'm not sure whether some pages should stay in the help wiki or not
[21:17] <mdke> also, how to handle potential broken links
[21:17] <technomensc2> I would think items, maybe like the todo list, should be moved, and who the docs team is, but items like the tags, formatting, and style, those are debatable as to which they belong in
[21:17] <technomensc2> :::nod:::
[21:18] <technomensc2> broken links will be a pain
[21:18] <mdke> oh, the tags and WikiGuide can't really be moved
[21:18] <technomensc2> understood
[21:18] <technomensc2> that would affect the backend coding, I'm guessing
[21:19] <mdke> well, the Tag system relies on being in the same wiki as the pages they are used on
[21:19] <technomensc2> what I'm wondering is if we should come to some idea/conclusion on what to do with the hardware before we have people moving, editing, updating, and changing the wiki content/tags
[21:20] <technomensc2> it might save us time, effort, and energy
[21:20] <mdke> I don't think one depends on the other, they strike me as unrelated.
[21:21] <technomensc2> allow me to explain.....we have a LOT of articles that are tagged for cleanup, expansion, moving, etc within wiki.
[21:21] <technomensc2> all hardware related
[21:21] <technomensc2> why move/alter them twice or three times
[21:21] <technomensc2> iesp if we decide not to keep them in the wiki at all
[21:21] <mdke> well, there is a big difference between pages which describe how to get a particular piece of hardware working
[21:22] <mdke> and pages which just tell you if something is supported or not (which is what I understand the "separate website" idea to be)
[21:22] <mdke> or have I misunderstood?
[21:22] <technomensc2> we hadn't come to any agreement or discussion about it.
[21:23] <mdke> let me put it another way
[21:24] <mdke> rewrite the last parenthesis as (which is what I understand https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport to be)
[21:24] <mdke> it's certainly not true that documents about hardware have *no* place on the help wiki, of course they do
[21:24] <technomensc2> I agree completely.....
[21:25] <mdke> but information about whether hardware works or not, and no more, is what could be hived off onto a separate website
[21:25] <mdke> that would just be a database with a nice front end
[21:25] <technomensc2> and it might even allow the dev/qa to get better bug info?
[21:25] <technomensc2> who knows
[21:26] <mdke> yeah, definitely
[21:26] <technomensc2> should I just send an email to their mailing list?
[21:26] <mdke> yeah, that's the way to go. The idea would be to drum up some interest in making that sort of database/website
[21:27] <technomensc2> kk
[21:31] <mdke> bbl
[21:31] <technomensc2> kk
[22:09] <duncan-nz> Does anyone know what the 'Ubuntu Style Guide' is? I've found a few things but nohting which looks like what's refered to here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag#Style%20cleanup%20required
[22:10] <nellery> duncan-nz, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide
[22:23] <duncan-nz> So it's okay if I change the page to refer to the 'Documentation Style Guide' and link it to there?
[22:30] <nellery> duncan-nz, that would be a good idea
[22:34] <duncan-nz> OK, will do.
[22:47] <technomensc2> mdke, you back?
[22:47] <mdke> yeah
[22:49] <technomensc2> For some reason, I had the spur of an idea and was curious as to your thoughts: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Home/PageDiscussion
[22:53] <mdke> technomensc2: well, I prefer the existing layout I think. But you could put the idea to the developers I suppose: the main changes are to the structure of their teams
[22:56] <technomensc2> well, like you pointed out, I learned from the mistake I made with the community home page by making it a page discussion instead :)
[22:56] <mdke> heh
[23:24] <technomensc2> YO, rocket...
[23:27] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: ^
[23:27] <Rocket2DMn> hi what
[23:28] <mdke> I think that technomensc2 was trying to attract your attention
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> it would help if he used my whole name, good timing too, i literally just sat down (going back and forth from the TV)
[23:29] <mdke> 21:07:09 < mdke> my irc client hilights on Matt, but in general, best to use people's nicknames to make sure they see you callin
[23:29] <technomensc2> LOL.  rocket2dmn....the pages that you are marking for deletion with tags
[23:29] <mdke> technomensc2: you need to use the whole nickname
[23:30] <technomensc2> are you removing the "category" link too?
[23:30] <mdke> and if you press "TAB" while typing, your irc client should complete the name for you
[23:30] <technomensc2> unless I'm using pidgin, which kinda sucks for irc :)
[23:30] <mdke> surely TAB works on pidgin too?
[23:31] <technomensc2> well whatcha know
[23:31] <technomensc2> learned something new
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, no i havent switched pages previously marked with CategoryDeletion to using tags, since they can just ... be deleted
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> the pages i marked with Tags i dont think ive really removed from categories
[23:31] <technomensc2> well, the reason I would recommend removing the tag....is so we don't double work
[23:31] <technomensc2> I mean...removing the category link
[23:31] <Rocket2DMn> ah, well if you see a Deletion tag, its a dead giveaway
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> you hav ea specific example?
[23:32] <technomensc2> yea, but I'm going down the link of pages linked to categorydeletion
[23:32] <technomensc2> I had one a moment ago
[23:32] <technomensc2> when I find it, I'll let ya know
[23:33] <technomensc2> but I've been removing the links so that we know how many pages we have left, or not
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> everything in CategoryDeletion can just be deleted (unless the page says DONT DELETE)
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> i dont see a lot of point in switching pages already marked with CategoryDeletion over to the Deletion Tag
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> since thye are just going to be wiped out
[23:34] <technomensc2> actually, we first have to go through them to make sure they don't break any other links
[23:34] <technomensc2> the tagging right now is just to get rid of the cateogry
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> i think most of the pages in CategoryDeletion are safe to be deleted, i didnt personally mark all of them tho, so no guarantees
[23:35] <technomensc2> agreed
[23:37] <Rocket2DMn> lets chat in 1/2 hour technomensc2 , im finished watching Tombstone :)
[23:46] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, ping
[23:48] <Rocket2DMn> technomensc2, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G - why did you add those tags?  and why did you clean off CategoryThirdPartySoftware CategoryWindows
[23:49] <technomensc2> ooops.  I was getting a little quick on the trigger finger I guess.  I didn't realize I removed those categories.  sorry about that
[23:49] <technomensc2> and it had the cleanup category, and I couldn't judge which one on a glance
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> it wasnt on categorycleanup....
[23:50] <technomensc2> I was only removing the categorydeletion, categoryexpansion, and categorydocumentation labels
[23:50] <Rocket2DMn> ah you ran into b/c of categorydocumentaiton
[23:50] <technomensc2> ::nod:::
[23:51] <technomensc2> I had a couple of tabs open at once.  need to slow down.....
[23:52] <technomensc2> I had just finished cleaning up the tags/categories for category deletion, and in the process of just putting the right tags on for "expansion"
[23:53] <technomensc2> I would like to see categoryexpansion, categorydeletion, and categorynoparent either bet fully transferred to the tag system, or deleted hopefully within the next 48 hours.
[23:58] <Rocket2DMn> looks like duncan is using categrydeletion as well as the tag
[23:59] <Rocket2DMn> either way, i wouldnt bother trying to wipe out categorydeletion, technomensc2 .  mdke or another damn just needs to find the time to take care of those pages