[13:27] <bazzawil1-eee> does anybody know where I can get a decent copy of the ubuntu marketing pic using three bottoms as the ubuntu logo
[18:34] <AliTabuger7> bazzawil1-eee, What exactly are you looking for?
[18:36] <AliTabuger7> hubuntu, I was told to talk to you about working on SU drupal stuff
[19:32] <AliTabuger7> Anyone here for SU early?
[19:34] <Flannel> Certainly not.  Coming early?  That's dangerous.
[19:34] <meoblast001> Flannel: have you ever used kdenlive
[19:35] <Flannel> Nope
[19:35] <meoblast001> hmm i need to figure out how to do transitions in it
[19:35] <meoblast001> im adding them
[19:35] <shahriar86> meoblast001: did you manage to run it?
[19:35] <meoblast001> but they wont work
[19:35] <meoblast001> shahriar86: haha... yeah.. for the most part
[19:35] <shahriar86> on my pc it crashed frequently :(
[19:35] <meoblast001> mine too
[19:35] <meoblast001> it cooled off on the crashing lately
[19:35] <meoblast001> but it still crashes
[19:36] <meoblast001> but it backs up my project enough to not irritate me that bad
[19:36] <shahriar86> humm looking one video edition app for myself to make tuitorials to present in workshops
[19:37] <shahriar86> but none seems to work in my pc, few crashes the moment I try to run, few does not support .ogg :(
[19:37] <shahriar86> if you find any working condition (for the beginners) let me know meoblast001
[19:37] <shahriar86> :)
[19:38] <meoblast001> shahriar86: its very user friendly for the most part
[19:38] <meoblast001> i like it.. i used to be able to get the transitions to work
[19:38] <meoblast001> i think its because im going from black background text to regular video
[19:38] <shahriar86> ok
[19:39] <shahriar86> I have never tried any video editing tool before, frankly I am a noob trying to go around
[19:39] <shahriar86> just needed to edit few video files, that's all
[19:40] <hubuntu> Flannel, haev you had chance to work on the SU backend we talked about? Do you have any portions of code available somewhere?
[19:40] <Flannel> hubuntu: not really, no.
[19:40] <Flannel> hubuntu: Lots of reading, learning python, etc.
[19:41] <hubuntu> Flannel: I have been thinking and looking for ways of organizing things. Have started learning python too and been busy getting a new job (starting tomorrow in FOSS technical sales :)
[19:42] <hubuntu> But I hope we can pull out something for intrepid's release
[19:42] <hubuntu> I mean, anything...
[19:43] <hubuntu> Flannel, you think that setting ourselves a roadmap and compromising on some few issues[1] will get us somewhere within the 30th of October?
[19:43] <hubuntu> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/IdeaPool#Global%20Material%20Recollection
[19:43] <meoblast001> shahriar: idk what just happened.. gnome locked up
[19:44] <shahriar86> :) meoblast001
[19:45] <meoblast001> ctrl alt backspace works miricals
[19:45] <meoblast001> no reboot required... its faster
[19:45] <Flannel> hubuntu: I think the first thing pseudo-codewise we ought to do (sort of part of the roadmap) is nail down an initial database structure, so people can start working on the site itself (while I'm working on the other stuffs)
[19:45] <shahriar86> hubuntu: are you talking about not giving Global Material Recollection?
[19:46] <hubuntu> I was thinking more of trying to get global material compilation going
[19:46] <hubuntu> as of now is just an idea, but it would be an including way of getting material from LoCos and entusiast
[19:46] <AliTabuger7_lapt> Is there some reason that work on the site has to wait for the backend to be done?
[19:47] <hubuntu> not really AliTabuger7_lapt
[19:47] <hubuntu> The idea is to work in the frontend as well as working in the back-end
[19:48] <hubuntu> we have a glue (the database Flannel is talking about) and we should probably work on that first
[19:48] <AliTabuger7_lapt> Then is there a place to start working on the frontend? I would like to help witht that.
[19:48] <AliTabuger7_lapt> It seems like the two are independent of eachother development wise, aren't they?
[19:48] <hubuntu> we do have a propporsal [2]
[19:48] <hubuntu> [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Classification%20System
[19:49] <hubuntu> indeed they are AliTabuger7_lapt, the front-end and the back-end are totally independent
[19:49] <hubuntu> we have a testing site: http://spreadubuntu.houbsi.org/
[19:50] <hubuntu> nothing real there yet, but some proporsal as well[3]
[19:50] <AliTabuger7> Then is there some bzr branch I could help with? I'd hurt more than help on the backend.
[19:50] <hubuntu> [3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Design
[19:50] <meoblast001> exporting
[19:51] <hubuntu> Well that is still an issue, no coding is been done 'cause we have to define the front-enbd first
[19:51] <hubuntu> but there are several other coding examples from previous SU efforts
[19:51] <AliTabuger7> isn't that simply anything in the theme directory?
[19:51] <hubuntu> basically, yeah
[19:51] <hubuntu> as long as you go drupal theming it's cool
[19:52] <hubuntu> and it does not even have to be that, it can be anything, but the OpenID with LaunchPad bit should be in place whatever we do
[19:52] <hubuntu> but it does not have to be there from day 1
[19:53] <AliTabuger7> I see the test site. Looks like a good starting place for the theme, but how might I be able to help?
[19:53] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, are you a webdesigner or something?
[19:54] <meoblast001> Gnome ftw
[19:54] <hubuntu> I mean what can you do, how do you think you can help?
[19:54] <meoblast001> just thought i'd say that
[19:54] <AliTabuger7> I've done a few websites, nothing too proffesional, but enough to be able to help. My experience is mainly in theming, but I can do a tiny bit with modules.
[19:54] <hubuntu> I have some skills in drupal administration, but I am not a good theme designer
[19:55] <hubuntu> good, then I think you are the one we are looking for :)
[19:55] <AliTabuger7> Good to know I can help.
[19:56] <hubuntu> I figured out that if we go drupal we could, eventually, make a SU module for drupal sites
[19:56] <hubuntu> so LoCos worldwide could add a SU module to their site and get going
[19:56] <hubuntu> but that is just an idea, and it's really not a priority at all at this point
[19:56] <AliTabuger7> or a "spread" module. Are we looking to imitate SpreadFirefox however possible? They use drupal, we might be able to get some of their code
[19:57] <hubuntu> ok AliTabuger7, you can help out with theming
[19:57] <hubuntu> indeed AliTabuger7, I have contacted the people behuind spreadff but have not gotten an answer yet
[19:57] <Flannel> hubuntu: You don't really need the bracket notation in IRC, just paste the links on the lines after you mention them :)
[19:58]  * Flannel notes drupal modules are feature creep at the moment.
[19:58] <hubuntu> ok Flannel ... been reading too much netiquette guidelines lately
[19:58] <Flannel> I ... think
[19:59] <hubuntu> anyway as long as we have a site, the modules are not depending on it really, they depend more in the backend and the DB
[19:59] <Flannel> Unless you have to design regular drupal sites differently in order to modularize them later, then I guess a design decision early on isn't a bad idea
[20:00] <Flannel> I really ought to have done some fancy drawing of how the backend/frontend/etc work.  We get more questions about their interaction...
[20:00] <AliTabuger7> from what I understand, flannel is doing something with the database. If that's really the case, I believe all that would have to be modified is drupals database configuration file. all the modules use functions from that file
[20:01] <hubuntu> What we have to really agree on is this:
[20:01] <hubuntu> * DB structure
[20:01] <hubuntu> * Documents/material licencing
[20:01] <hubuntu> * Compilation framework
[20:01] <Flannel> I don't think we have to agree on licensing of the material at the moment, or maybe even ever.
[20:02] <hubuntu> the backend will handle the rest with a bzr branch
[20:02] <shahriar86> licencing can be determined by the provider (contributor)
[20:02] <hubuntu> true, but if we are to distribute the material then we should have *some* guidelines for doing so
[20:03] <AliTabuger7> I just looked at http://www.spreadfirefox.com/materials and i don't think we should imitate their framework for marketing materials
[20:03] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: I don't think we had ever intended to (but I haven't looked at their site)
[20:04] <shahriar86> hubuntu: that may create some problem if we set a global rule. may be copyrighted materials are not allowed that is common sense. but not a binding rules
[20:04] <hubuntu> SpreadFF is just an inspiration, about the marketing effort getting organized. Iam personally more interested in their experience with the whole thing that the site itself
[20:05] <hubuntu> agree shahriar86, we can discuss that later if it becomes an issue
[20:05] <shahriar86> ok no problem
[20:05] <hubuntu> but we do agree that the DB structure is essential as of now, right?
[20:06] <Flannel> I think that's the first technical somethingorother we need to figure out, yes.
[20:07] <hubuntu> what you think about the proporsal flannel? the class. system?
[20:07] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Classification%20System
[20:07] <hubuntu> I am no DB expert so if anyone here has some knowledge on it or experience there please talk... :)
[20:07] <Flannel> hubuntu: I haven't read it, so I can't say.
[20:08] <Flannel> as for the non-language stuff, it looks pretty decent
[20:09] <Flannel> I honestly don't think we should spend too much time worrying about that, since once we start using it, it's likely to be obvious we need to add/remove fields (that we never would have considered before)
[20:09] <hubuntu> what do you say then Flannel? How do we make this DB?
[20:09] <hubuntu> ok
[20:09] <hubuntu> then what do we do? Work on the compilation framework?
[20:10] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, regarding the theme. Do you want to work with any existing ideas, amek your own design or a combination of both?
[20:10] <Flannel> What?
[20:11] <hubuntu> Flannel: ok, then we should maybe just start collecting the material somewhere and organize it in a DB after we have it?
[20:11] <Flannel> Alright, so, since I said we ought to, I threw together (we'll want to make it less... stupid later) this flow-chartish thing: http://imagebin.ca/view/WyEp6x.html
[20:12] <Flannel> Its vertial, with no arrows, but the text in between the blocks shows what goes there.
[20:12] <hubuntu> seems good to me :)
[20:12] <Flannel> Everything except the red circle is actually on the server we're hosting the site on.
[20:12] <Flannel> hubuntu: It's nothing different than what we've been talking about, just in pictorial form.
[20:12] <hubuntu> I know, but it's good to *see* it
[20:13] <Flannel> Also, I've used the term "backend" and "further backend" to differentiate between the drupal/whatever backend (that interfaces with the DB), and the python backend (that interfaces between bzr and the db)
[20:13] <hubuntu> so AliTabuger7 you can work with the Website FrontEnd, right?
[20:13] <Flannel> and, I originally had further, and then changed to farther, but I think further is the correct one.  As an aside.
[20:14] <AliTabuger7> I can, but I'll have to be shown how to help first. I don't know how to access it yet.
[20:14] <Flannel> hubuntu: yeah, the frontend/backend are sort of merged inside of drupal I think.
[20:14] <hubuntu> I saw that. Flannel you will then work in the DB design and the python stuff, Am I right?
[20:14] <Flannel> I'm working on the python stuff, yes, and we need to come up with a rough draft of a DB design yes, I can come up with that.
[20:14] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, I can set you up an account or even set up a drupal site in my own server
[20:14] <hubuntu> whatever is easier for you
[20:15] <AliTabuger7> I believe I need filesystem access in the /theme directory
[20:15] <hubuntu> Good. What I can do is get things inside the DB and connect those things with the website frontend
[20:15] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7: I think you do, yes 
[20:15] <AliTabuger7> i have my own localhost if that would be more comfortable for you, and it is a little easier for me to do
[20:16] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7: would you be cool with FTP access?
[20:16] <AliTabuger7> yes
[20:16] <hubuntu> I mean, how you do the theme really is not the issue; we will figure out how to put it up in the site eventually
[20:16] <hubuntu> pep has access there
[20:16] <Flannel> Oh, before we get too far in, does anyone have questions/comments/whatever?  I know AliTabuger7 is new.
[20:17] <hubuntu> shahriar86, are you interested in participating somehow? Just have to ask
[20:17] <shahriar86> hubuntu: I am not on technical side sorry
[20:17] <AliTabuger7> Yes, I am new here, Flannel.
[20:18] <shahriar86> but if there is any non-technical side I can help then why not?
[20:18] <Flannel> shahriar86: you certainly don't need to be technical to help!
[20:18] <AliTabuger7> shahriar, It is just about equally as important for us to have some marketing material to start with
[20:18] <shahriar86> then sure would "love" to help
[20:19] <hubuntu> shahriar86, basically we need to make a system for all LoCos to share their material in an organized way
[20:19] <shahriar86> yes I am aware of that
[20:19] <hubuntu> So we can "pull" it out from wherever they have it and put it somewhere to get it into the DB
[20:19] <AliTabuger7> Oh, i have one question. What system will we be using to localize content?
[20:19] <hubuntu> now, that "compilation framework" need some thought and real work
[20:20] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: We're not quite sure.  Because a lot of the content isn't text based (its a binary file)
[20:20] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, Most likely LP... But that is an extremely technically difficult thing
[20:20] <AliTabuger7> yeah, like jpgs and pdfs
[20:20] <AliTabuger7> LP? launchpad?
[20:20] <hubuntu> yeah, rosetta... The translation tool
[20:21] <hubuntu> I have seen people working with LP doing that kind of thing
[20:21] <AliTabuger7> i suppose that would be very good for translating the actual content, but I really meant what is going to be used on the site sid
[20:21] <AliTabuger7> side*
[20:21] <hubuntu> but mostly with svg files
[20:21] <Flannel> I don't think we'll be able to automate most of it though.  Translation is going to have to be done, on a large part, by hand.  I guess we could translate strings, and then have other people actually put them into the content
[20:21] <hubuntu> we have thought about that, but have not come up with anything really. Suggestion AliTabuger7 ?
[20:22] <AliTabuger7> i have 0 experience with drupals localization stuff
[20:22] <hubuntu> Yes Flannel, that's what I have seen people do. No automatic way of doing it... At least not yet. Maybe leonov and the LP API will give us a hand there in the future
[20:23] <AliTabuger7> My guess is there would have to be something in here: http://drupal.org/project/Modules/category/97
[20:23] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, do not think about that at this stage... I know my way around there a bit. We just need an English site and I will personally make a SPanish version
[20:23] <hubuntu> any other languages will have to be worked with as well
[20:24] <AliTabuger7> Ok. Back to my specialty, I was thinking I would try to lay out what the nodes would look like for each content type, so that begs the question: what content types are there?
[20:24] <Flannel> hubuntu: LP API can't help in that regard, since its dependant on people going in and changing image files/whatever (and you can't just do a string replace either, due to sizing)
[20:25] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: What do you mean by content types?
[20:25] <hubuntu> Flannel the SUGUI would deal with such things. Leonov is developing a Plug-In system and so we could use external apps within the SUGUI to change content of the material (GIMP, Inkscape, Gedit)
[20:26] <hubuntu> so yes, LP TRanslations will most likely do not work with many content types, but will with other (SVGs for instance)
[20:26] <hubuntu> I mean in an automatized way
[20:27] <Flannel> hubuntu: That seems... silly.  But whatever. Either way, someone is going to hand edit.
[20:27] <AliTabuger7> Drupal content types. Ex: news, page, story
[20:27] <hubuntu> Flannel, that is so far away in the future that I think we should keep ourselves to our task now :)
[20:27] <hubuntu> Ah, that
[20:28] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, let me log in the site and check
[20:29] <Flannel> I'm less sure what you're talking about.  But, the site will be 'static' with dynamic content in said static pages.  (even if the static pages still aren't so static.)  ... I ... think.  Again, I'm not really sure what we're talking about.
[20:29] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, what do you mean with this?
[20:30] <hubuntu> like: spreadubuntu.org/node/10 instead of spreadubuntu.org/español ?
[20:30] <Flannel> This isn't going to be like a blog thing, its going to be a search for stuff/add stuff sort of thing.
[20:30] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, we will have 2 sections: Upload and Download
[20:30] <hubuntu> Download is where you get the material. Upload is where you share your own material with us
[20:31] <AliTabuger7> hubuntu: will each material be a "marketing-material" content type, with a taxonomy term that describes what kind it is? will there be an "event" content type?
[20:31] <hubuntu> And let's put this straight: We are talking just about the Do-It-Yourself part of the site now: diy.spreadubuntu.org
[20:32] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: What is an event content type for?
[20:32] <hubuntu> we are not sure about how the organization will be at the moment, but I guess we will use taxonomy(a tag system) for classification, yes
[20:32] <AliTabuger7> event wouldn't apply to diy, sorry
[20:33] <hubuntu> shahriar86, could I contact you regarding the mAterial Compilation process? It would be nice to develope it further with you If there is an interest on your part
[20:33] <shahriar86> sure no problem
[20:34] <AliTabuger7> Speaking of contact, should we exchange contact information?
[20:34] <shahriar86> yes
[20:34] <Flannel> mailing list?
[20:34] <hubuntu> shahriar86, are you in our mailist?
[20:34] <shahriar86> yes I am
[20:34] <shahriar86> my name is Shahriar Tariq
[20:34] <shahriar86> so you can find me
[20:35] <Flannel> Keeping this stuff open for new people (on the list, instead of private emails) is a good thing
[20:35] <shahriar86> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ShahriarTariq
[20:35] <hubuntu> of course, I was just trying to check If it was ok :)
[20:35] <shahriar86> there you will get my contact details
[20:35] <AliTabuger7> ok, I will try remember that, since I'm new to open source contributions
[20:35] <shahriar86> though I am not sure why I am on edubuntu. I created for ubuntu wiki
[20:35] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, atre you in the groups list?
[20:36] <AliTabuger7> I believe so, since I'm a member of the team
[20:36] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: This channel is good too, for discussions, but the outcomes of the discussions (assuming its significant, etc) should be mentioned to the list too.  Since not everyone is on IRC all the time, etc.
[20:36] <hubuntu> You may have to change your mail settings, it depends how you set up your launchpad profile
[20:37] <AliTabuger7> For future reference, this is my launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/~edb82189 just because the uid doesn't quite match my username
[20:38] <AliTabuger7> it says I am subscribed to the team mailing list.
[20:38] <hubuntu> shahriar86, I have added you to our team in launchpad
[20:38] <shahriar86> ok thanks
[20:39] <hubuntu> check your email setting to add yourself to our list
[20:39] <shahriar86> ok what I need to do?
[20:39] <hubuntu> https://launchpad.net/~tariq086/+editemails
[20:40] <hubuntu> go there and see if you are in the spreadubuntu mailist
[20:40] <shahriar86> ok
[20:40] <shahriar86> no I am not on spreadubuntu mailing list
[20:40] <shahriar86> just on marketing mailing list
[20:40] <hubuntu> we have our own list so we do not have to annoy everybody in the marketing team with the project details
[20:41] <shahriar86> ok hubuntu that is nice.
[20:41] <hubuntu> Add yourself then to it and you'll be good to go. I did add you to the team
[20:41] <shahriar86> yes I am now on it
[20:42] <shahriar86> done
[20:42] <shahriar86> thanks hubuntu
[20:42] <hubuntu> good :)
[20:42] <hubuntu> ok... one thing I wanted to talk about is our code lkicensing
[20:42] <hubuntu> is everyone cool with GPL?
[20:43] <Flannel> For what?  Oh
[20:43] <hubuntu> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/spreadubuntu
[20:43] <hubuntu> there
[20:43] <AliTabuger7> No problem here.
[20:43] <hubuntu> our development code
[20:43] <hubuntu> Flannel?
[20:45] <Flannel> Hmm, haven't really thought about that.
[20:45]  * Flannel just as soon public domains his code.  I'll give it some thought.  Likely though, yes.
[20:45] <hubuntu> just for the record
[20:46] <hubuntu> doi you have any other licenses in mind?
[20:46] <Flannel> Yeah, I'll think it over.
[20:46] <hubuntu> ok
[20:46] <AliTabuger7> Should we have a bazaar branch?
[20:47] <Flannel> alright, I'm running to grab me some lunch, I shouldn't be gone long though.
[20:47] <hubuntu> Yes AliTabuger7, but before we get that maybe you want to work locally with the theme?
[20:47] <hubuntu> the earliest you get out your code the better though
[20:47] <hubuntu> Flannel, I have another meeting in 10 minutes
[20:48] <AliTabuger7> Sure. I was just thinking that before I looked into the mailing list and saw the meeting, I was assuming the project was inactive because there wasn't an active bazaar branch. I think we could get a few more helpers if we had one.
[20:48] <hubuntu> so if we could just summarize this if there are not any other issues... none in my behalf at least. You guys can always keep on  :)
[20:48] <shahriar86> hubuntu: let me know what I need to do, and I will get onto it as soon as I can
[20:48] <AliTabuger7> Where would I get a copy of your site?
[20:48] <hubuntu> oh, you are right about that AliTabuger7... But is it worth it to have a drupal branch there? Would not it be better to have a the drupal theme there for a start?
[20:49] <AliTabuger7> http://spreadubuntu.houbsi.org/ it looks like you have a decent start
[20:49] <AliTabuger7> i think it would need to be packaged with a .db somehow
[20:49] <hubuntu> shahriar86, I will mail some thoughts I have to the list. It would be worth taking a look at our wiki page. We have a lot of ideas there already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu
[20:50] <shahriar86> ok I have been through it.
[20:50] <shahriar86> will look into it once more
[20:50] <hubuntu> yes AliTabuger7, maybe we can get started with that. I just want to get a LP OpenID plugin that Canonical is opening very soon
[20:51] <hubuntu> shahriar86, feel free to add something if you have some suggestion or ideas. :)
[20:51] <shahriar86> ok I will :)
[20:52] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, can you work with a local drupal and get the them going from there? I will ask pep to give you access to houbsee ASAP
[20:52] <hubuntu> I'll follow this whole thing up in the list
[20:52] <hubuntu> last but not least
[20:52] <AliTabuger7> If i get the entire directory and the db I have no problem with that.
[20:52] <hubuntu> DO you guys think we can have a working prototype by the release of Intrepid?
[20:53] <hubuntu> It's 7 and 1/2 weeks from now
[20:53] <AliTabuger7> I think so. We may not be able to have everything perfect, but something that looks presentable is not unreasonable to me.
[20:53] <hubuntu> good :)
[20:54] <hubuntu> That's the spirit
[20:54] <AliTabuger7> This may be out of scope for this discussion, but I think we need a list of modules that we will be using
[20:55] <shahriar86> It will be up yes. But the tough part is geting the materials, getting quick response is the key :)
[20:55] <AliTabuger7> Views is necessary
[20:55] <hubuntu> You will get it. We are using: OpenID, Google Analytics, Onlinestatus indicator, IRC 
[20:55] <hubuntu> yes shahriar86, we have to get the message to the LoCo teams this week
[20:56] <shahriar86> ok no problem will try our best :)
[20:56] <hubuntu> :) indeed
[20:56] <hubuntu> well I have to run to another meeting, but I'll keep an eye in this channel. Feel free to ask anything and I'll give a quick response if I can
[20:57] <shahriar86> ok
[20:57] <hubuntu> anything right now anyone is wondering?
[20:57] <shahriar86> Flannel: I had to ask, is this a site just to get the materials or also to share the experience
[20:58] <shahriar86> I mean a quick tips from other loco teams how to improve your work?
[20:58] <hubuntu> shahriar86, diy is the part to share marketing materials. The .com/.org site will be more a campaign site of some sort...
[20:59] <hubuntu> Flannel has some ideas in that regard as well. Like an info/intro site for Ubuntu
[20:59] <shahriar86> ok.
[21:00] <hubuntu> basically something like this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Site
[21:01] <shahriar86> ok checking
[21:01] <hubuntu> the former su project is really working taking a close look
[21:01] <shahriar86> I will be going through the wiki to get more idea about the project. If I get confused on anything I will ask you on the mailing list.
[21:02] <hubuntu> please do, and feel free to ask anything
[21:02] <hubuntu> We are still shaping the project so nothing is *final*
[21:04] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, do you have a OpenID URL from LP?
[21:04] <hubuntu> private please :)
[21:13] <AliTabuger7> Here's a question? are we sticking with that logo that looks like ubuntu but with like a globe in the middle of it?
[21:14] <AliTabuger7> I kinda liked that one
[21:15] <hubuntu> The logo is ok IMO, but we may change it
[21:16] <AliTabuger7> I was just curious because the logo on the test site wasn't used
[21:16] <hubuntu> I know.. You can start helping us with that :)
[21:17] <hubuntu> It's maybe a better idea to send a message to the list, inform what you are up to and then I can take from there the contact with Pierre (pep) in the list and give you admin rights
[21:18] <AliTabuger7> Ok. I would need admin rights before he sends me a copy otherwise I'd have a hard time getting in.
[21:19] <hubuntu> I think he will have to upload the copy himself, because is not his server
[21:19] <hubuntu> but you could probably get ftp access and work in the site as it stands now
[21:19] <AliTabuger7> who's is it?
[21:19] <AliTabuger7> that'd be fine
[21:19] <hubuntu> pep - Pierre V.
[21:19] <hubuntu> he couldnæt make it today
[21:19] <hubuntu> from belgium
[21:26] <AliTabuger7> send that on the list, right?
[21:32] <hubuntu> yes, in the spreadubuntu mailist
[21:33] <Flannel> shahriar86: It's both.  But right now we're concentrating on the share materials aspect, because that's much more important
[21:33] <hubuntu> just say hi, describe what you want to do and explain what you need. I'll follow up
[21:34] <Flannel> shahriar86: We have "spreadubuntu.com" which will be the share experience bit, and then "diy.spreadubuntu.com" which will be content sharing stuff we're talking about.
[21:34] <Flannel> or at least, that's the plan.
[21:34] <shahriar86> yes I have seen it on the wiki
[21:34] <AliTabuger7> sounds like a good idea. Is there going to be one to plan events, like sf?
[21:34] <shahriar86> just going through the wiki once more (line by line this time) to get it all cleared
[21:35] <AliTabuger7> I remember there was somethign mentioned about like being able to find experts or existing ubuntu users on a map
[21:35] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: I'm not really sure planning events is within the scope of this, no.
[21:35] <shahriar86> that would be tough you know. Ubuntu users are not small number.
[21:36] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, I bvelive it will become a marketing site as sf, but that is more in the hands of the Marketing Team
[21:36] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: as far as finding people, we'll be directing people to their LoCos, since much of the Ubuntu community has no idea the LoCos exist.
[21:36] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, that is even easier now with the google maps in LP
[21:36] <shahriar86> before few hours I was thinking of spreadubuntu.com now I am guessing we are looking to work on diy.spreadubuntu.com more of
[21:36] <shahriar86> right?
[21:36] <Flannel> Or, at least, more of the community ought to know.
[21:37] <Flannel> shahriar86: Yes, but that doesn't mean the other half can't be worked on as well.
[21:37] <shahriar86> yes. I meant priority based
[21:37] <Flannel> shahriar86: ah yeah, priority is the DIY part.
[21:37] <shahriar86> if we don't have database then, the other half will be meaning less
[21:37] <shahriar86> ok
[21:38] <shahriar86> what will be the role of bzr and launchpad?
[21:39] <shahriar86> I am confused a bit over there. I have not worked on them extensively to understand it thouroghly
[21:39] <Flannel> the content is held (ultimately) in bzr.  And then mirrored to the SQL DB on the site
[21:39] <shahriar86> ok
[21:39] <Flannel> LP isn't really a primary player in this.
[21:39] <AliTabuger7> openid provider
[21:40] <shahriar86> (which I could not have myself :( I still can't login to wiki page :( I get error)
[21:41] <hubuntu> shahriar86: mdke> hubuntu: all users can use it
 does it have to be activated somehow?
 any requirements? mdke
 hubuntu: no, I don't think so
 you should see it on your homepage
 I am trying to help a user... I couldn't tell since I am a LP beta tester
[21:42] <hubuntu> I think everyone has OpenID, but I have to figure out how it gets activated
[21:42] <shahriar86> ok
[21:43] <Flannel> shahriar86: Yeah, I'm not happy with the OpenID on the wiki and h.u.c either
[21:44] <hubuntu> I believe it is crucial to get people to understand LP as Ubuntu's work base
[21:44] <hubuntu> translations, bugs, etc...
[21:44] <hubuntu> but it's just me
[21:44] <shahriar86> yes I have been in and out of launchpad
[21:44] <shahriar86> what I have seen I liked it.
[21:44] <shahriar86> but the openId thing is creating problem for a newbee like me
[21:45] <hubuntu> I will give some feedback on that to the LP team and see what we can come up to
[21:45] <shahriar86> ok :)
[21:45] <hubuntu> we'll ditch it if it's not working propertly by october 30th
[21:46] <shahriar86> the Idea is fine. but the thing is a bit complecated. To tell it properly we don't see it anywhere. Like get your OpenID here
[21:46] <hubuntu> getting your LP profile means getting an OpenID
[21:47] <shahriar86> perhaps. but its not visible to me
[21:47] <shahriar86> how do I know my OpenId details. I mean where I need it most I am unable to use it
[21:47] <hubuntu> let me check
[21:47] <shahriar86> as I have mentioned I can't log into wiki
[21:48] <shahriar86> ok hubuntu thanks for looking into it :)
[21:49] <hubuntu> https://help.launchpad.net/OpenID
[21:49] <hubuntu> take a peek
[21:49] <hubuntu> I can't see anywhere you can activate it
[21:49] <shahriar86> been there
[21:49] <shahriar86> yes :(
[21:50] <AliTabuger7> hubuntu, could you show me a link to the google maps loco thing?
[21:50] <shahriar86> hubuntu:  where is mdke? I mean on which channel. Is s/he too busy?
[21:51] <hubuntu> #launchpad is the channel
[21:51] <hubuntu> ask question regarding OpenID there
[21:51] <shahriar86> ok
[21:51] <shahriar86> that is what I was thinking
[21:51] <shahriar86> its more of a wiki question I think not sure
[21:51] <hubuntu> AliTabuger7, just go to the spreadubuntu team page in LP and you can see people in the map
[21:52] <hubuntu> we could use something similar for marketeers.. That's why I'm so entusiastic about LP OpenID
[21:52] <hubuntu> ask there shahriar86 they can give you a hand
[21:52] <shahriar86> ok hubuntu
[21:53] <hubuntu> but as Flannel remarked, we should not rely on LP OpenID until we know it is working
[21:53] <shahriar86> ok :)
[21:53] <hubuntu> and maybe have another log-in option for people who do not likeLP
[21:54] <shahriar86> I also think LP will help our project
[21:54] <Flannel> I wouldn't worry about that, just make sure the openID works.
[21:54] <Flannel> since, if you don't have JS enabled, the huc/wuc stuff sometimes gives you problems.  Which is an implementation thing, not an inherit openID thing.
[22:04] <hubuntu> true
[22:04] <hubuntu> well... Anything else?
[22:04] <hubuntu> shall we summarize now?
[22:05] <AliTabuger7> Sure
[22:06] <AliTabuger7> What's houbsee's responsibility?
[22:07] <hubuntu> none, he just loans us the webspoace ;)
[22:07] <hubuntu> pep has the call or that
[22:08] <AliTabuger7> Are we running the production site on his server?
[22:09] <hubuntu> nope, that will be Canonical I think
[22:09] <hubuntu> or SliceHost
[22:09] <AliTabuger7> Cool. They agreed to that?
[22:09] <hubuntu> probably Canonical since there will be a LOT of bandwidth usage
[22:09] <hubuntu> I am in talks, but we need to have something first
[22:09] <hubuntu> they are positive, yes
[22:10] <AliTabuger7> This is going to be very cool. They should give us spreadubuntu shirts.
[22:12] <AliTabuger7> So anyway, the summary?
[22:14] <AliTabuger7> What did you use to make the favicon? 25kb seems like a lot.
[22:19] <shahriar86> Its late night down here.
[22:19] <shahriar86> so I would like to go off now.
[22:19] <hubuntu> shah
[22:19] <hubuntu> shahriar86, AliTabuger7 
[22:20] <AliTabuger7> yes?
[22:20] <hubuntu> one more thing just fast:
[22:20] <shahriar86> ok
[22:20] <shahriar86> listening
[22:20] <hubuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/Roadmap
[22:20] <hubuntu> We should have a roadmap for the next 8 months
[22:21] <AliTabuger7> i thought we just had 6 weeks?
[22:21] <shahriar86> AliTabuger7 that is we want to put some face on the project on or before intrepid release
[22:22] <hubuntu> yes, but we should work this 7 weeks and hit our first stage, and have plans down the road
[22:22] <shahriar86> but for sure it is too short time. so keeping on the longer objectives like 6 months or 1 year helps you more
[22:22] <AliTabuger7> thats kind of my feeling. I don't think i could possibly figure out what needs to be done over the next 8 months right now
[22:22] <hubuntu> I have outlined the roadmap for Intrepid, but will add later the roadmap for Jaunty and get new tasks and goals
[22:23] <hubuntu> of course, but have some goals and ideas, that's all
[22:23] <hubuntu> lets focus on the roadmap as it is now
[22:23] <shahriar86> ok
[22:23] <hubuntu> Flannel, any suggestionm of when and what?
[22:23] <hubuntu> anyone?
[22:23] <Flannel> What?
[22:24] <AliTabuger7> OpenID doesn't really have to be completly done until a week before release
[22:24] <shahriar86> well I have no idea what I am going to do. so can't suggest. I am not a leader. rather a follower
[22:24] <AliTabuger7> Basic Materials system should be able to upload content types by sept 25 to oct 2
[22:24] <shahriar86> (& learner)
[22:24] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: it does, based on how it will integrate with bzr
[22:25] <Flannel> oh, wait, nevermind.
[22:25] <hubuntu> I'll take care of OpenID
[22:25] <AliTabuger7> should we sketch what the content types should look like?
[22:25] <hubuntu> shahriar86, what we two do is get the workflow done this week and invite LoCo teams worldwide to collect material
[22:26] <AliTabuger7> ok
[22:26] <shahriar86> get the workflow done means? can you rephrase it by some short example?
[22:27] <AliTabuger7> I think he should mean that everything should be mostly functional so you can add marketing materials
[22:27] <hubuntu> shahriar86: I mean we have to invite people to do something but we must have an idea of what they need and this be applied to their specific case as it its now
[22:27] <shahriar86> yes inviting loco will take some time and effort to get answered. but hey many are well aware of the existance of SU
[22:27] <shahriar86> ok hubuntu
[22:27] <hubuntu> not really AliTabuger7, we need all teams to come up with a page in the wiki, that's all
[22:27]  * Flannel thinks Oct 30 is premature.
[22:27] <hubuntu> from there we make our own page including all pages done by the teams
[22:28] <AliTabuger7> * I think we should try anyway
[22:28] <hubuntu> and have a general overview
[22:28]  * hubuntu thinks having a prototype is doable, but something *real* is just not real ;)
[22:28] <AliTabuger7> by create a page, do you mean lay it out?
[22:28] <hubuntu> shahriar86, with that overview we can fill in the material to the Database
[22:28] <hubuntu> no, a page in the wiki
[22:29] <shahriar86> though I have no idea with the technical stuff but its possible to gethar information and materials, tag it
[22:29] <Flannel> and I also think we shouldn't ask LoCos for content until we have a working somethignorother
[22:29] <shahriar86> *by the 30th
[22:29] <hubuntu> with a command you can include other pages in the wiki (every single page made buy all LoCos) and have an overview
[22:30] <hubuntu> shahriar86, as long as the material is in the database it is easy really to *control* it the way we want it
[22:30] <hubuntu> what we need is the database
[22:30] <shahriar86> yes
[22:30] <hubuntu> and to get that we need LoCos to help us with all thinkable material that there is
[22:30] <shahriar86> I meant doing it by 30th of Oct
[22:30] <hubuntu> that is perfectly doable
[22:31] <shahriar86> yes
[22:31] <hubuntu> The databse should be done by the 4th if we get working and get the message to the LoCOs this week
[22:31] <Flannel> hubuntu: Not really, no. We can always add/remove/tweak categories later.  We have the stuff on DIYMarketing for a good starting point.  I think asking LoCo involvement at this time is premature
[22:32] <Flannel> It'll be better if we can get them to actually put their stff up, once we have a working site, as part of the testing phase.
[22:32] <Flannel> Otherwise we're going to have to ask them to first collect it, and then later we're going to have to ask them to actually put it up
[22:32] <Flannel> and that's just making more work for them
[22:32] <shahriar86> humm I was thinking of brining in the old materials from the old su http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/
[22:32] <shahriar86> then will invite other loco's to help us enrich it
[22:33] <hubuntu> Flannel, if all locos organize their material now and we get everything in the database
[22:33] <hubuntu> there is really no need for asking them again
[22:33] <hubuntu> we just inform them it's there and that future material can be uploaded there
[22:33] <Flannel> hubuntu: Alright, *you* get to take all the material from the LoCos and upload it yourself.
[22:33] <hubuntu> yes
[22:33] <hubuntu> it's a dirty job, but Iæm willing to do it
[22:34] <hubuntu> as long as I have a DB scheme to work with :)
[22:34] <Flannel> hubuntu: Or.... you could just let the LoCos do it, and have a real world test at the same time!
[22:34] <hubuntu> that's where you come in ;)
[22:34] <hubuntu> true
[22:34] <AliTabuger7> what upload module are we using? drupal's? I'd almost like to see one with thumbnails
[22:34] <Flannel> Its *much* better to wait.
[22:34] <hubuntu> what about inviting the Spanish LoCos now and use what we have collected elsewhere?
[22:35] <Flannel> Why don't we just use what we've got, and then wait until we have a site to ask anyone.  If you want, a particular subgroup of locos can be alpha testers.
[22:35] <hubuntu> sound good
[22:35] <hubuntu> *sounds
[22:36] <Flannel> Since, if youupload everything, you're not really testing the workflow, since you obviously designed it.  You need third parties to test workflow
[22:36] <hubuntu> ok, then letæs get the DB done and I can start putting the material into it
[22:36] <hubuntu> indeed
[22:36] <hubuntu> it's just an idea, not a workflow yet
[22:37] <shahriar86> ok
[22:37] <AliTabuger7> is there anyone in particular I should consult about theme changes and decisions?
[22:39] <hubuntu> just use the list AliTabuger7, there are no bosses in our team... We just want to cooperate. Pierre is always up for some design. And so is Meisok
[22:40] <hubuntu> Flannel do you have logs for this meeting.-.. Starting in a new job tomorrow so I have to go to sleep
[22:40] <AliTabuger7> I take it that theres probably not such a thing as over-communication in this project?
[22:40] <Flannel> hubuntu: This channel is officially logged
[22:40] <Flannel> !logs
[22:40] <hubuntu> nice :)
[22:40] <hubuntu> thx Flannel 
[22:41] <Flannel> so, at your leisure you can extract them
[22:41] <AliTabuger7> ubot is cool, if you give a link to a launchpad bug or blueprint it'll tell you abou it
[22:41] <hubuntu> ok.. I'll put up a log this week. Use the mailist  for anything. It was great meeting you all :)
[22:42] <shahriar86> not about just link AliTabuger7 give a error number it will give you details of the bug
[22:42] <shahriar86> !bug 1000
[22:42] <hubuntu> Flannel, AliTabuger7 shahriar86 and evryone else good night
[22:42] <Flannel> ubuntu 1000
[22:43] <shahriar86> yes goodnight everyone
[22:43] <shahriar86> I will also have to split
[22:43] <shahriar86> goodnight
[22:43] <shahriar86> byeeeee
[22:44] <AliTabuger7> bye
[23:14] <AliTabuger7> Is anyone still here from SU? What version of Drupal are we using?
[23:16] <Flannel> AliTabuger7: I am!  But, am no help on that question
[23:18] <AliTabuger7> I remember I had asked you earlier. Anything you feel you need to discuss, since you don't think we'll be able to finish in time?
[23:19] <Flannel> I don't think we'll be able to finish by the 30th.  I'm not really sure it matters to finish "by" a release anyway.  We sort of want to finish midway into a release.  No one will see a benefit from the DIY stuff in time for Intrepid, and the month before/after a release is always busy with other stuff anyway.
[23:20] <Flannel> Yes, a lot of stuff is going to be generated for Intrepid, but in order for people to use the site, it'd have to be uploaded before intrepid (for them to see it around intrepid launch)
[23:21] <Flannel> I just don't see setting a milestone of Intrepid release as a necessary thing (and I think its awfully soon anyway)
[23:21] <AliTabuger7> yes, but not too much needs to be done by 5 people in order to get a functional site, albiet not perfect
[23:22] <Flannel> Eh, there's more than you'd think.  I'd much rather see a milestone sometime around 8.04.2 release, so we can be up and running for Jaunty
[23:23] <AliTabuger7> I get what you're saying about the lack of material for intrepid
[23:23] <Flannel> But really, a lot of the content on this site will be more or less timeless.
[23:26] <AliTabuger7> in time for intrepid*