| JontheEchidna | ScottK: would you mind sponsoring bug 270176 and bug 270253? | 01:03 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270176 in kdeutils "kdeutils 4.1.1: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270176 | 01:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270253 in kdeplasma-addons "kdeplasma-addons 4.1.1: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270253 | 01:03 |
| goatsocks | hehe, i compiled the latest Qt Firefox and added a Google Chrome theme: http://img.flashtux.org/img1326913555axd003b991.png | 01:19 |
| vorian | nice | 01:46 |
| === vorian is now known as mad-mule | ||
| === mad-mule is now known as vorian | ||
| goatsocks | and now firefox qt hack with chrome tabs up top: http://img.flashtux.org/img13269138090x651c633a.png | 02:30 |
| rgreening | gj goatsocks | 02:40 |
| * rgreening wonders about Kond quiv | 02:41 | |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: and maybe could you sponsor bug 270334 too please? | 03:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270334 in phonon "phonon 4.2.0: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270334 | 03:31 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Maybe tomorrow. | 03:53 |
| bobesponja | goatsocks: http://www.chromeplugins.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/firefox-chrome.png | 04:26 |
| === dsfjlskgjlkfdhgk is now known as bobesponja | ||
| NCommander | apachelogger: pong | 06:48 |
| fabo | Riddell: libical 0.33-1 uploaded | 08:53 |
| Riddell | fabo: thanks. still binary compatible? | 08:58 |
| Riddell | presumably this is just the bugfix release they were talking about when 0.32 had issues | 08:59 |
| \sh | hmmm | 09:07 |
| \sh | keurocalc-kde4 -> still under /usr/lib/kde4/bin/* | 09:07 |
| \sh | wasn't it transitioned to standard dirs? | 09:07 |
| Riddell | that package should be removed | 09:08 |
| * Riddell does so | 09:09 | |
| \sh | Riddell: it looks like that keurocalc is still kde3 and keurocalc-kde4 never went into intrepid | 09:09 |
| \sh | should keurocalc for kde3 go and keurocalc-kde4 migrate to keurocalc with C/R on keurocalc-kde4{-data}? | 09:10 |
| Riddell | yes please \sh | 09:13 |
| Riddell | hi Beineri | 09:14 |
| Beineri | moin | 09:15 |
| Beineri | Riddell: alpha 5 also doesn't boot in virtualbox 2.0 for me | 09:19 |
| Riddell | davmor2: what's the status with virtualbox? ^^ | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | it probably doesn't :( I have no idea though cause I use real machine 2 ticks though and I can check | 09:20 |
| davmor2 | Beineri: 32bit or 64bit? | 09:21 |
| Beineri | 32 | 09:21 |
| davmor2 | sorry vb 32bit | 09:21 |
| fabo | Riddell: yes, binary compatible/bugfix release. It contains some fixes sent by gnome people and another fix from a.winterz | 09:21 |
| \sh | Riddell: ok..will do | 09:23 |
| Beineri | http://developer.kde.org/~binner/kubuntu.png | 09:23 |
| \sh | Beineri ? You here ? :) Welcome :) | 09:23 |
| Beineri | \sh: mhm, was here also yesterday ;-) | 09:23 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: Beineri: Seems to work at the speed of a dying gnat on alternate I'll try live now | 09:24 |
| Beineri | Mandriva and openSUSE run fine ;-) | 09:24 |
| \sh | Beineri: good to see that you are changing the coast ;) *eg* | 09:24 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: live dies a death with a kernel trace that scrolls off the page | 09:27 |
| Beineri | \sh: do you know the diplomats in civilizations? :-) | 09:35 |
| Riddell | davmor3: bummer, time to poke soren I guess | 09:40 |
| seaLne | \sh: ooh i have plasma working on both heads now :) | 09:40 |
| davmor3 | I'm just trying it in kvm | 09:40 |
| seaLne | kdm still dosen't get the background image right tho | 09:41 |
| davmor3 | Riddell: seems to be working in KVM | 09:41 |
| Riddell | so Beineri is behind with his virtualisation technology :) | 09:43 |
| davmor3 | one of them things I guess :) | 09:44 |
| davmor3 | brb | 09:44 |
| Riddell | well no, it should be fixed | 09:44 |
| Riddell | Beineri: are you able to report a bug with the details of what happens? | 09:44 |
| Beineri | no, don't see whole trace either | 09:44 |
| Riddell | davmor2: can you report a bug on the virtualbox issue? | 09:47 |
| davmor2 | Yeah I'll have a look and see if I can't get the kernel trace to be copied somewhere. It supprises me that there isn't already a bug about it though | 09:48 |
| Riddell | there may be | 09:50 |
| \sh | seaLne: how? :) | 09:54 |
| \sh | Beineri: hehe...sometimes I can be one of them ;) | 09:54 |
| seaLne | \sh: updated this morning and logged in and it is working *shrug* :) | 09:56 |
| \sh | seaLne: hmm../me needs to check that too :) later this day...hopefully | 09:56 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: look at the known issues section here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 | 09:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: will you approve the NEW package then for keurocalc? | 10:00 |
| \sh | ah no | 10:00 |
| \sh | keurocalc will be overwritten anyways | 10:01 |
| \sh | Riddell: do we need anything from motu-release? | 10:03 |
| \sh | for that package? | 10:03 |
| Riddell | \sh: fine with me, go ahead and upload | 10:07 |
| \sh | Riddell: thx | 10:07 |
| NCommander | hey Riddell | 10:20 |
| \sh | keurocalc for kde4 as replacement for keurocalc-kde4 and keurocalc for kde3 on its way | 10:21 |
| Riddell | hi NCommander | 10:44 |
| NCommander | hey Riddell | 10:44 |
| NCommander | Riddell: I'm fixing the Samba4 FTBFS :-) | 10:45 |
| NCommander | Riddell: so can I steal you for a upload in a little bit? | 10:56 |
| Riddell | NCommander: probably | 11:12 |
| NCommander | \o_ samba builds | 11:13 |
| Riddell | yay | 11:14 |
| NCommander | Need to upload it to my PPA | 11:14 |
| Riddell | are you using the fix from kdelibs? | 11:14 |
| NCommander | Riddell: a similar one, yes | 11:14 |
| NCommander | (using glibc headers over linux ones) | 11:14 |
| * NCommander kicks his internet connection | 11:16 | |
| NCommander | dput is uploading at less than a 1kb per second | 11:16 |
| NCommander | Riddell: know of any other FTBFSes that need attention? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | isn't there a list? | 11:17 |
| NCommander | Riddell: I should have said pressing FTBFSes | 11:18 |
| Riddell | I wouldn't know without seeing the list :) | 11:19 |
| NCommander | Riddell: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ - command me to fix :-) | 11:19 |
| Riddell | what's up with kdeutils on lpia? | 11:23 |
| Riddell | basket would be good to fixs | 11:23 |
| NCommander | Riddell: try retrying kdeutils on lpia, that looks like a transient failure | 11:23 |
| Riddell | what's up with libqt4-ruby? | 11:24 |
| NCommander | Riddell: libqt4-ruby is a delayed upload | 11:25 |
| Riddell | hmm, qlix broke, I'm sure I only uploaded that recently | 11:26 |
| NCommander | (sometimes the buildds fail to upload when they finish building, that one clears by itself) | 11:26 |
| Riddell | smb4k broken? | 11:26 |
| NCommander | samba4? | 11:27 |
| NCommander | I just fixed that, it needs an upload | 11:27 |
| NCommander | (its clean rule is somewhat broken) | 11:27 |
| NCommander | (I should properly fix that first) | 11:27 |
| Riddell | I don't think smb4k depends on samba4 | 11:27 |
| Riddell | taskjuggler should work, needs ruby foo | 11:27 |
| * NCommander files a bug in debian about the broken samba4 rule | 11:28 | |
| NCommander | Fixing it in Ubuntu is pointless, it will get clobbered on the next sync | 11:28 |
| NCommander | Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - samba4 awaits your upload after it builds ;-) | 11:29 |
| * NCommander rolls the Debian patch to include the fixed clean rule | 11:47 | |
| \sh | seaLne: can you send me your xorg.conf? this screen resolution tool from kde systemsettings doesn't work for me here ;) | 11:48 |
| seaLne | \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47115/ | 11:51 |
| seaLne | \sh: that didn't work in hardy but started working in intrepid | 11:53 |
| \sh | seaLne: hmm..I'll try it :) | 11:53 |
| seaLne | \sh: ati or nvidia? | 11:56 |
| \sh | seaLne: ati | 11:58 |
| \sh | seaLne: but plasma on the second screen -> no :) | 11:58 |
| seaLne | but you had left yes, right no? whereas i had the othe way round weird | 11:59 |
| \sh | seaLne: yepp | 11:59 |
| \sh | ah no | 11:59 |
| \sh | left no, right yes | 11:59 |
| seaLne | ok that makes a bit more sense | 12:00 |
| \sh | ok.../me has a meeting | 12:00 |
| JontheEchidna | khangman(9418) KEduVocDocument::KEduVocDocument: constructor done | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | khangman(9418) KHangMan::setLanguages: Languages ("es") | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | khangman(9418) KHangMan::setAccent: in slot accent | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | KCrash: Application 'khangman' crashing... | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | um | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't even know how that happened | 12:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I pasted that in b.k.o | 12:58 |
| Beineri | davmor2: what virtualbox version do you have? | 12:58 |
| Beineri | !tell dirk: virtualbox 2.0.2 build still only works as root | 12:59 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 12:59 |
| davmor2 | 1.5.6 | 13:00 |
| Beineri | davmor2: seems to work with 2.0.2 here (had before 2.0.0 and 1.6.x) | 13:01 |
| Beineri | ubottu is more dumb than susehelp bot ;-) | 13:01 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 13:01 |
| Beineri | only that the notes plasmoid is placed half off the small screen :-) | 13:02 |
| Beineri | ubuntu needs boot options for screen size | 13:05 |
| stdin | Beineri: don't blame the bot because you don't know how to use it ;) | 13:23 |
| Beineri | actually I typed into the wrong tab :-) | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: *cough* oxygen *cough* | 13:46 |
| * apachelogger waves to Beineri | 13:46 | |
| * NCommander uses his chainsaw on apachelogger | 13:46 | |
| * apachelogger runs | 13:47 | |
| * jussi01 snatches apachelogger away from NCommander and says not to my ninja you dont, while brandishing a handgun :D | 13:47 | |
| * NCommander tweaks apachelogger so he FTBFS on i386/amd64 | 13:47 | |
| * apachelogger hides in the bunker and starts work :P | 13:48 | |
| NCommander | If my FTBFS powers can be used for good, they can also be used for evil :-) | 13:48 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: I'll install oxygen icons if you give them to me with the proper filenames and already properly resized | 13:49 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Speaking of FTBFS, do you have a samba4 fix? I saw you mention it on -server. | 13:50 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: Its in my PPA | 13:50 |
| NCommander | THe clean rule is broken though so I need to respin it if you want a perfect debdiff | 13:50 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Yes, please. | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: by proper file names you mean the current ones? | 13:51 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: yeah | 13:51 |
| * apachelogger thinks the icon should follow the icon naming spec so they can be easily replaced _without_ renaming :P | 13:51 | |
| NCommander | The source is there | 13:52 |
| NCommander | Your welcome to fix it :-) | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | well | 13:52 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: I can't get it to run :S | 13:52 |
| * apachelogger wouldn't want to mess with it without seeing the results really | 13:53 | |
| apachelogger | NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47141/ | 13:54 |
| apachelogger | apparently register_sourcepackage() doesn't return anything :S | 13:54 |
| NCommander | Sounds like RainCT broke it more :-) | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | the initial setup is a PITA :P | 13:55 |
| NCommander | Yup | 13:55 |
| apachelogger | and the documentation is only slightly out of date ;-) | 13:55 |
| NCommander | For my changes, I updated the docs! | 13:55 |
| NCommander | ScottK: http://pastebin.ca/1203292 | 13:56 |
| \sh | back | 13:57 |
| \sh | seaLne: and you have plasma on both screens? | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | what happens when you have to plasmas collide? | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | black hole? | 13:59 |
| * ScottK-laptop looks | 13:59 | |
| seaLne | \sh: yeah one on each | 13:59 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: end of the world as we know it | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | hm | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | seaLne: don't ever switch to one screen! | 13:59 |
| * apachelogger kinda liked that world | 13:59 | |
| \sh | seaLne: any strange config setting for plasma in some strange config file? | 13:59 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Maintainer change too. | 14:00 |
| NCommander | argh | 14:00 |
| NCommander | bah | 14:00 |
| NCommander | I'm used to seeing it in the changelog to remind me to do it | 14:00 |
| * apachelogger thinks he will have to start all over again with revu | 14:00 | |
| seaLne | nope wasn't working last week updated this morning and it did with no changes by me | 14:00 |
| NCommander | ScottK: Sorry about that, I need to run in 20 minutes so I'm rushing | 14:00 |
| NCommander | ScottK http://pastebin.ca/index.php | 14:02 |
| NCommander | er | 14:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Link to an actual paste, please... | 14:02 |
| NCommander | http://pastebin.ca/1203297 | 14:02 |
| NCommander | Sorry | 14:02 |
| NCommander | Yeah | 14:02 |
| NCommander | I realized that a moment too late | 14:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | No problem | 14:02 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Thanks. Test bulding now. | 14:04 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: At some point why it built OK on Debian Experimental, but not Intrepid is probably worth looking into. | 14:10 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: Its because our glibc and linux headers have a disagreement on the defintion of flock | 14:10 |
| NCommander | I already filed bugs about it | 14:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Great. | 14:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | Thanks. | 14:10 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: its the same bug that was causing kdelibs to FTBFS on amd64 | 14:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | Ah. Lucky you. | 14:13 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: why am I lucky? | 14:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | Got to fix the effects of the same bug twice. I'm guessing it made it easy to recognize. | 14:14 |
| NCommander | oh yeah | 14:14 |
| NCommander | FTBFS come in patterns | 14:14 |
| * NCommander needs quarters, lots and lots of quarters | 14:15 | |
| NCommander | Oh, ScottK-laptop, while your here | 14:17 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - can you ack this for me | 14:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270200 in gnucash "Change libgoffice dependency from 0.4 to 0.6" [Low,In progress] | 14:17 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Did you ask siretart? | 14:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Ask him to review it and then I'll ack it if he's in favor. | 14:18 |
| NCommander | I didn't see him online | 14:18 |
| seaLne | has anyone seen konq4 have the wrong title for a tab? a closed tab title or one to the left or right | 14:20 |
| Beineri | me | 14:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: Was there a guidance-power-manager update for 4.1.1? We still have 4.1.0. | 14:21 |
| seaLne | Beineri: any idea what causes it? | 14:21 |
| Beineri | seaLne: a bug? ;-) | 14:21 |
| seaLne | surely its a feature :P | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: there seems to be a tarball | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | r9 | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | I guess just no one uploaded it yet | 14:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Did you get a chance to look at the guidance-power-manager patch yesterday? | 14:24 |
| * Beineri only knows that you don't have to reorder tabs as I don't ever do that | 14:24 | |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: sorry, no, where was it, I'll install it and test it later | 14:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Bug 269483 | 14:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269483 in guidance-power-manager "KDE4 guidance-power-manager tooltip allways shows top left of icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269483 | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: can I port revu to rails? :P | 14:27 |
| Beineri | seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170470 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 170470 in tabbing "Wrong caption of tabs occurs sometimes in konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 14:28 |
| * NCommander watches his brain melt | 14:28 | |
| NCommander | damn it apachelogger, there goes my FTBFS foo | 14:29 |
| * rgreening scoops up remains... mmmm brains | 14:29 | |
| seaLne | Beineri: ta | 14:29 |
| * apachelogger slowly moves backwards towards the channel door | 14:29 | |
| NCommander | At least I'm recyclable | 14:29 |
| NCommander | Go garbage collection go | 14:29 |
| rgreening | :P | 14:30 |
| * apachelogger better leaves before the channel starts hunting him | 14:30 | |
| apachelogger | ♻ NCommander | 14:31 |
| * apachelogger thinks dejavu got a serious problems with symbols | 14:31 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger: what's with you an unicode O_O; | 14:31 |
| * NCommander saw the symbol | 14:31 | |
| apachelogger | maybe quassel got a problem with them | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | ♥ quassel | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | :P | 14:32 |
| * rgreening is beginning to hate scim/skim/... | 14:32 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: is it broken again? | 14:32 |
| * rgreening shouts "why won't it die? | 14:32 | |
| rgreening | hahah | 14:32 |
| rgreening | I'm working on adding in a patch Riddell pointed me to | 14:33 |
| rgreening | And the bloody thing spawns a ton of scim-panel-gtk processes | 14:33 |
| rgreening | and killing the aplet respawns it. HA | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | sounds like fun | 14:34 |
| rgreening | It's like a 'willnot' cause it will not go away | 14:34 |
| NCommander | rgreening: soon it will achieve sentience and cause a segfault in the process | 14:34 |
| rgreening | I believe it's how SkyNet gets it's start. Better get Sarah Connors | 14:34 |
| * rgreening queues the spooky music | 14:35 | |
| NCommander | The best however was when I caused a panic within panic() | 14:35 |
| NCommander | Infinite panics | 14:35 |
| rgreening | lol | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: oh, btw, revu seriously needs some coding style | 14:35 |
| apachelogger | or at least a script to clean it up every once in a while | 14:35 |
| rgreening | I once wrote an autistic piece of assemply code. | 14:36 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: I didn't write it | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | just saying | 14:36 |
| rgreening | It wouldn't listen and kept spitting out numbers | 14:36 |
| rgreening | I also wrote one to eat memory in the system and thow it away. THe net result was that the guy using the terminal couldn't play netrek while I ran it. :) Freed up the terminal for me. | 14:37 |
| rgreening | scim is def buggy at this point. scim-panel-gtk gets launched and seems to hold up other systray applets from loading. When I finally killed it, then they loaded. | 14:40 |
| rgreening | ok, time ot patch | 14:40 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: how do I nuke the database's content? | 14:43 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: drop database *database*; | 14:44 |
| NCommander | don't do that on production ;-) | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | :P | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:45 |
| apachelogger | you know, switching between tab and space idention in one source file is a pretty awkward to say the least | 14:45 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: are you an MOTU? | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: Last I checked... yes :P | 14:48 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - upload please ;-) | 14:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270200 in gnucash "Change libgoffice dependency from 0.4 to 0.6" [Low,In progress] | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | ERROR: database "revubase" is being accessed by other users | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | god, I hate it | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: tell the debian maintainer to introduce line breaks after 80 characters, that diff line is mind warping | 14:50 |
| * NCommander warps apachelogger's mind to compinsate | 14:50 | |
| NCommander | apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental - second favor, approve me please :-) | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | huh? | 14:52 |
| apachelogger | why? :P | 14:52 |
| NCommander | I'm going to try that libqt merge | 14:52 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: I'm smoketesting again and Kubuntu just failed due to smartpm-core and update-motd not being installable for landscape-client. Have a word with cjwatson I thought it had been removed to get round this? | 14:53 |
| davmor2 | brb | 14:53 |
| NCommander | I've got to run for about 20 minutes apachelogger, so if you have any uploading issues, please leave for me, and I'll respond as soon as I am able ;-) | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | roger roger | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: libqt merge is in progress already | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | if you mean the merge I mean :P | 14:55 |
| rgreening | Riddell: around? | 15:02 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: oh | 15:07 |
| * apachelogger pokes NCommander with r = c.query("SELECT usid FROM gpgkeys WHERE fingerprint='%s'" % fingerprint) | 15:09 | |
| apachelogger | there is absolutely no script which actually moves the keys to the DB | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | that would explain the error I guess | 15:09 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: take a look at launchpad_login.py | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | sick | 15:11 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: what? | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | sick code | 15:12 |
| NCommander | sick as in good or bad? | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: bad | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | to much cluttering | 15:14 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: why? | 15:14 |
| NCommander | cluttering? | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | yus | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | this wouldn't have happened with rails :P | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: oh, it works, thank you | 15:18 |
| * NCommander hits apachelogger | 15:20 | |
| * apachelogger starts crying | 15:20 | |
| * Hobbsee thumps NCommander repeatedly | 15:21 | |
| * Hobbsee raises the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ | 15:21 | |
| * NCommander eats Hobbsee with a side of fava beans | 15:22 | |
| * Hobbsee is not so tasty. | 15:22 | |
| * Hobbsee is rather bony. | 15:22 | |
| apachelogger | NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot109.png | 15:24 |
| rgreening | apachelogger... can you help me with something? got any experience with dpatch? The scim module uses it and I can't seem to add my patch to the package because of it. | 15:25 |
| * apachelogger usually converts dpatch to quilt :P | 15:26 | |
| Hobbsee | rgreening: did you add the patch name to 00list? | 15:26 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: ew. | 15:26 |
| rgreening | yep | 15:26 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Dpatch | 15:26 |
| NCommander | Hobbsee: I've never seen what you looked like so how should I know? | 15:26 |
| Hobbsee | NCommander: surely you should have researched that before attempting to eat me. | 15:27 |
| NCommander | Hobbsee: minor detail | 15:27 |
| rgreening | I did all that with dpatch. I think the file looks correct. | 15:27 |
| rgreening | I manually tested the patch to see if it applied before adding the dpatch stuff, and it did. No other patches conflict with that file. | 15:28 |
| rgreening | weird | 15:28 |
| rgreening | applying patch 50_check_scim_binary to ./ ... failed. | 15:29 |
| rgreening | make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 | 15:29 |
| rgreening | any other suggestion on how to make this dpatch apply? | 15:32 |
| rgreening | could this be an issue: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field | 15:33 |
| rgreening | I really hate dpatch | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 15:45 |
| rgreening | garbage | 15:45 |
| rgreening | help? | 15:45 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: did you build the patch on the existing patch stack? | 15:45 |
| apachelogger | otherwise I would assume it really is just that an earlier patch alters some file which is also touched by yours and thus make your patch unappliable | 15:46 |
| rgreening | I took an existing patch jr provided. I applied it manually to verify it. This I built a proper diff from it. dpatch needed some stuff added to the top. did that and alled it to 00list. | 15:46 |
| rgreening | I looked at the others.... The mod Makefiles.... | 15:47 |
| rgreening | not the .c file I alter | 15:47 |
| rgreening | let me check again | 15:47 |
| rgreening | nope. all makefile changes only | 15:48 |
| rgreening | if i run dpatch apply-all manually they all apply | 15:49 |
| rgreening | hmmm.... | 15:49 |
| rgreening | ok, this is bizarre. Running debuild after running dpatch apply-all allows the system to build. I'll try debuild -S after again. | 15:50 |
| rgreening | WONKY! | 15:50 |
| rgreening | someone kill dpatch | 15:50 |
| rgreening | please.. hahah | 15:51 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 15:57 |
| * apachelogger really thinks revu should be rewritten using rails :P | 15:58 | |
| apachelogger | NCommander: when I try getting to the details page it opens the god damn url in an editor -.- | 15:58 |
| NCommander | lol | 15:59 |
| rgreening | do you have to run debuild (strictly) begore running debuild -S? Cause it seems that I needed to do that with the scim package and dpatch. | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | oh | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: minor path issue | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | "minor" as in the god damn database stores absolute paths | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: you shouldn't | 16:00 |
| rgreening | bizarre | 16:03 |
| * NCommander listens to the sound of apachelggers swears | 16:04 | |
| NCommander | Sweet sweet music | 16:04 |
| rgreening | lol | 16:07 |
| seele | is it too late to add powerdevil to system settings for intrepid? | 16:28 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| * rgreening weeps silently | 16:33 | |
| rgreening | heya seele | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot110.png | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | I think I don't like the bulb | 16:38 |
| annma | hello people | 16:40 |
| annma | I have a user which has a 4.1.1 KHangMan package and there's no data files | 16:40 |
| annma | who would check where those files are please? | 16:40 |
| JontheEchidna | annma: you're talking about my bug report then? | 16:41 |
| apachelogger | annma: hey, is khangman edu or games? | 16:41 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: ohhh | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: edu | 16:41 |
| annma | Edu | 16:42 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: YES | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | then I am downloading the wrong package :P | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | the packaging is missing files? | 16:42 |
| annma | if I knew you were there it would have been quicker | 16:42 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: yes, the data files | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/khangman/ | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | but according to the packaging they should all be installed | 16:42 |
| annma | apachelogger: the files are hard.kvtml, easy.kvtml for ex | 16:43 |
| annma | where can I see that? | 16:43 |
| apachelogger | ah | 16:43 |
| annma | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169079 | 16:44 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 169079 in general "KHangman crashes on startup" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 16:44 |
| annma | there are no data files | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | yes | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | they are in the l10n package | 16:44 |
| annma | for English??? | 16:44 |
| annma | no! | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | ok | 16:44 |
| * apachelogger needs to find a deb | 16:44 | |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, english isn't in any l10n package | 16:45 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/47169/ | 16:46 |
| annma | and the code defaults to English files | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | not in the package iether | 16:46 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'll fix this in kdeedu then merge from Debian, unless they've already fixed it in which case I'll just merge | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the files would have appeared in the list-missing | 16:46 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: you are a KUbuntu devel??? | 16:46 |
| annma | really | 16:47 |
| JontheEchidna | annma: yeah | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | annma: lower case u :) | 16:47 |
| annma | -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/hard.kvtml | 16:47 |
| annma | -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/easy.kvtml | 16:47 |
| annma | -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/animals.kvtml | 16:47 |
| annma | -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/medium.kvtml | 16:47 |
| annma | that's the files | 16:47 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: there was no need to do a bug report | 16:47 |
| annma | we wasted time | 16:47 |
| annma | after several hours I came here... | 16:47 |
| JontheEchidna | sorry :( | 16:47 |
| annma | I wasted time, I mean | 16:47 |
| annma | and you don't know ME JontheEchidna? | 16:49 |
| JontheEchidna | uh | 16:49 |
| annma | next time please grab me from IRC | 16:49 |
| JontheEchidna | ok, will do | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | cp -a debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kvtml/ debian/kanagram//usr/share/kde4/apps/ | 16:49 |
| annma | I am KDE-Edu coordinator by the way | 16:49 |
| annma | what is the user has no KAnagram install? | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | annma: are these files shared among kanagram and khangman? | 16:49 |
| annma | sort of | 16:49 |
| apachelogger | ok | 16:49 |
| annma | they CAN be shared | 16:49 |
| annma | but we kept each data with each app | 16:50 |
| annma | ^^ | 16:50 |
| knome | did you know... kana means chicken in finnish | 16:50 |
| ldp | :| | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: so maybe a kdeedu-common file is needed? | 16:50 |
| JontheEchidna | s/file/package | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: we need a -data package or -common-data if debian didn't introduce one meanwhile, then move the kvtml files to that package and make kanagram and khangman depend on binary:Version | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | or maybe source:Version | 16:51 |
| * apachelogger starts thinking | 16:51 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: source | 16:51 |
| JontheEchidna | k | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: and poke the debian maintainer with our changes ;-) | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | annma: thank you for stopping by :) | 16:52 |
| JontheEchidna | annma: sorry once again :) | 16:52 |
| annma | well | 16:53 |
| annma | I'm closing the report as invalid | 16:53 |
| annma | I'll add a return; when there's no data | 16:54 |
| annma | there should never be such a case really | 16:54 |
| annma | for KDE 4.3 maybe we'll put data in a subdir | 16:55 |
| annma | I'll ask distros about how they prefer things done | 16:55 |
| annma | next time for all Edu probs/questions: I am the person to talk to or pinotree as fallback | 16:56 |
| knome | we should cooperate more anyway | 16:56 |
| james_w | hello lovely kubuntu people, kwave looks like it could do with some love | 16:56 |
| james_w | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495758 | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | pinotree is the guy for everyone :) | 16:56 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 495758 in kwave "kwave has rpath to insecure location (/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/mt:/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/libgui:/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/libkwave)" [Serious,Closed] | 16:56 |
| JontheEchidna | annma: where do you usually hang out? | 16:56 |
| annma | apachelogger: exactly! a king | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: #kdeedu | 16:56 |
| knome | JontheEchidna, on hangman | 16:56 |
| knome | ;) | 16:56 |
| annma | JontheEchidna: all kde channels: #kde #kde-devel #kde-edu | 16:57 |
| annma | #plasma | 16:57 |
| annma | lol knome | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks | 16:57 |
| annma | annma at kde dot org as mail | 16:58 |
| annma | as you see I am keen to help | 16:58 |
| annma | as you saw witht he report (was it a test?) | 16:58 |
| knome | isn't there any list that somebody updates of all the contact personnel?! | 16:58 |
| knome | that'd be ++ | 16:58 |
| annma | on techbase.kde.org | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | james_w: we are a bit short on staff, I'll put it on the todo | 16:58 |
| annma | there's the list of module maintainers knome | 16:58 |
| knome | annma, but not of the promo/etc/leading geeks? | 16:59 |
| annma | which are the persons to contact for build probleù | 16:59 |
| annma | what do you need them for? | 16:59 |
| james_w | apachelogger: thanks. A sync may be reasonable, but apparently there is no kde4 version, and I don't know how you want to handle that | 16:59 |
| annma | leading geeks are on core-devel mailing list of course | 16:59 |
| knome | well for nothing, but there might be a case when you need somebody and there's actually no problem.. | 16:59 |
| annma | there are never any problem, we have mailing lists | 16:59 |
| knome | o.O | 16:59 |
| knome | i haven't been around for long yet, but this complete thing feels quite unorganized | 17:00 |
| annma | we have 1 person for build problem per module and to ensure that apps are maintained and such | 17:00 |
| annma | knome: yes | 17:00 |
| annma | it is | 17:00 |
| rgreening | Riddell: The patch doesn't 100% solve the delays. I have, however, located the source of the delat. It's actually in the call to scim_launch in the agent. There is an intentional delay loop which is wrong. I'm writing a patch now. | 17:00 |
| apachelogger | james_w: if it builds and works, we usually care as much about it as if it was a KDE 4 app ;-) | 17:00 |
| knome | annma, well yes, but there's a lot outside the build and development | 17:00 |
| annma | this is Free Software, not an enterprize | 17:00 |
| james_w | apachelogger: not at all? :-p | 17:00 |
| annma | knome: of course | 17:00 |
| annma | but for your needs as Kubuntu people | 17:01 |
| annma | I can enumerate everything fo ryou of course knome | 17:01 |
| knome | just wondering | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | knome: KDE only seems unorganized, because no one documents ;-) | 17:01 |
| annma | basically it's the bazaar | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | though, in case of kde-www it is really unorganized | 17:01 |
| knome | yes! | 17:01 |
| annma | we document | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | james_w: exaclty :P | 17:02 |
| annma | see techbase.kde.org | 17:02 |
| annma | see userbase.kde.org | 17:02 |
| annma | in the bazaar things are done | 17:02 |
| annma | usually you communicate more by mailing lists than specific person | 17:02 |
| annma | for promo, and such | 17:02 |
| knome | i doubt there is a promo list for kubuntu. | 17:03 |
| annma | that's not KDE | 17:03 |
| knome | at least apachelogger hasn't pointed me to one | 17:03 |
| annma | a promo list for kubuntu? | 17:03 |
| annma | what do yo mean? | 17:03 |
| knome | well, www, graphic, general promo stuff | 17:03 |
| annma | for kubuntu? | 17:04 |
| knome | yes? | 17:04 |
| annma | create one | 17:04 |
| annma | I am talking about KDE myself, not being in Kubuntu | 17:04 |
| knome | sure | 17:04 |
| annma | with lower u | 17:04 |
| knome | ha | 17:04 |
| annma | OK I have to go cook dinner | 17:04 |
| knome | ok | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | annma: we are 2nd class citizen ... creating a list sounds easier than it is ;-) | 17:04 |
| knome | have a good meal | 17:04 |
| knome | lol | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot112.png | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | last item's icon | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot111.png | 17:06 |
| knome | yus? | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | replace it with the screwdriver one of the tools or the underconstruction thingy | 17:06 |
| knome | kdegames? | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | yes | 17:06 |
| * JontheEchidna votes for underconstruction | 17:06 | |
| knome | apachelogger, how will i change that? :P | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | I do | 17:07 |
| knome | ok | 17:07 |
| * apachelogger needs opinions | 17:07 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: that might very well be too yellowish | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | best use of space though | 17:07 |
| knome | underconstruction i'd say as well | 17:07 |
| * apachelogger tries | 17:07 | |
| knome | even the hammer is too small, screwdriver would be even smaller | 17:07 |
| knome | == bad | 17:07 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Samba4 uploaded. Thank you. | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot113.png | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: knome: | 17:09 |
| knome | definitely. | 17:09 |
| knome | the icon for kdegraphics isn't so good. | 17:09 |
| apachelogger | I know | 17:09 |
| JontheEchidna | that's still the old lightbulb | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | orly? | 17:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I think... | 17:10 |
| * apachelogger thinks the oxygen one is even worse because it is brighter :P | 17:10 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | actually ... that is the oxygen one | 17:11 |
| JontheEchidna | oh | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | the bulb is pointless anyway | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | how do I relate a bulb to the status "advocated" | 17:11 |
| JontheEchidna | I think the current revu magnifying glass looks too crystal svg | 17:11 |
| knome | apachelogger, maybe a sheet of paper? | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: it is crystal svg :P | 17:13 |
| JontheEchidna | ha | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot114.png | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot115.png | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot116.png | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot117.png | 17:14 |
| apachelogger | opinions | 17:14 |
| knome | so is that like "approved" or "ready" ? | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | no, the one above is approved | 17:15 |
| knome | what is that then | 17:15 |
| apachelogger | semi-approved | 17:15 |
| knome | hmmh. | 17:15 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: kdeedu bug also affects latest debian | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | you need to advocations in order to get the package accepted | 17:16 |
| knome | apachelogger, i'd suggest a sheet of paper. | 17:16 |
| * JontheEchidna will notify them | 17:16 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: first make the diff :P | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | or make the diff in a collaborative way | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | gobby-like ;-) | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | should I merge first? | 17:16 |
| JontheEchidna | then base the diff off the new ubuntu package | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: first talk with them, if they do the fix right away you could merge the change in | 17:17 |
| * JontheEchidna hops on to irc.debian.org | 17:17 | |
| apachelogger | knome: the idea of the icon is to rais attention to this upload | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | a sheet of paper might not be too useful | 17:17 |
| knome | apachelogger, well a sheet of paper with bright spot on it? | 17:18 |
| knome | or ! | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: I'd go with either the green checkmark or yellow star | 17:18 |
| knome | or just red dot | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | red causes bad association | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | especially a dot | 17:18 |
| apachelogger | that is like - this package is on halt or something | 17:18 |
| JontheEchidna | this package will crap things up! ohnoes | 17:18 |
| knome | bah | 17:19 |
| knome | it catches yer attention | 17:19 |
| knome | and people get used to anything | 17:19 |
| knome | i associate checkmark or a star with something already done | 17:20 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: dood, they already know about it. how scary is that? | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot118.png | 17:20 |
| knome | a yellow flag maybe? | 17:20 |
| knome | a green flag is also like it's done.. | 17:20 |
| knome | though that icon is not so good anyway :P | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | well it is almost done :P | 17:21 |
| knome | still. | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | yellow flag got too little contrast | 17:21 |
| knome | can't you change the bg color of the row? | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot119.png | 17:22 |
| knome | tottally irrelevant :P | 17:22 |
| apachelogger | we could use the KDE logo :P | 17:23 |
| knome | how would that relate | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot120.png | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | the one at kdegames! :D | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | too cute | 17:24 |
| knome | hmm.. | 17:24 |
| knome | just a yellow spot, yes | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | your screen suxx0rs | 17:24 |
| knome | add a kubuntu gear | 17:25 |
| knome | nah, i can see what it is | 17:25 |
| knome | but if i look it just quickly | 17:25 |
| knome | it looks like yellow spot | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot121.png | 17:25 |
| knome | uhhh | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | we shuld use emotes to reflect the package status :P | 17:26 |
| knome | why not change kdebase-ws -> green checkmark and kdegraphics to heart? | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | ok | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | that would result in people killing me | 17:26 |
| knome | :D | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | revu always used a heart for 2 acks | 17:26 |
| knome | well that's better than infinite torture | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: halp! | 17:27 |
| JontheEchidna | halp with wut? | 17:27 |
| JontheEchidna | snapshot121 makes it look like the package is broken or something, red isnt' a good idea imo | 17:28 |
| knome | wuut? | 17:33 |
| * knome pushes Tm_T:s nipple | 17:34 | |
| knome | *beep* | 17:34 |
| knome | nice one | 17:34 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna, knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot125.png | 17:35 |
| knome | apachelogger, yes | 17:35 |
| knome | that definitely is it | 17:36 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: +1 | 17:37 |
| knome | even if you get killed ;) | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot126.png | 17:40 |
| knome | what has changed? | 17:40 |
| knome | aha, colors | 17:41 |
| knome | yes | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot127.png | 17:41 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: second one I think | 17:41 |
| smarter | hey | 17:41 |
| smarter | apachelogger: 127 looks like windows xp sp2 icons :/ | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: should I change that at all? | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | knome: get rainct in here again :P | 17:44 |
| JontheEchidna | I think I'd make it a bit darker and less cyan | 17:44 |
| smarter | apachelogger: http://www.cases.public.lu/fr/pratique/solutions/patch_systeme/wxp2/pictures/wu2.gif | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | smarter: so they are bad icons because they look like windows'? | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | smarter: did you apply for motu yet? | 17:44 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 17:44 |
| * smarter quickly hides :P | 17:44 | |
| apachelogger | smarter: is guidance-power-manager ready for upload? if so, get an FFe | 17:45 |
| apachelogger | smarter: what is the status of kepas? | 17:45 |
| smarter | I'm making FFe for gpm and kepas, then I'll post that motu application | 17:46 |
| smarter | well, they look *exactly* like these xp icons, and imho they're not really good icons, but oh well | 17:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger and smarter: I'd have thought gpm 4.1.1 fell under the existing KDE exception for 4.1.1? | 17:49 |
| * smarter doesn't know if we have an FFe for extragear | 17:49 | |
| smarter | Oh fsck, KMail apparently decided during the night that my last 3 months of mails and mail config were no longer relevant and deleted them :/ | 17:49 |
| ScottK-laptop | smarter: If it were KDE3 kmail, I'd suggest reindexing because they're probably still there. No idea aobut kde4. | 17:51 |
| smarter | it's kde4, how do I trigger the reindexing? | 17:51 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: true | 17:51 |
| smarter | it also deleted the groups I created during the last months | 17:51 |
| ScottK-laptop | Dunno. In KDE3 you deleted the index and restarted Kmail. | 17:53 |
| * smarter tries | 17:54 | |
| claydoh | smarter: right-click on a folder and look for the reindex option | 17:55 |
| smarter | apparently it just changed the date of half my email to 2108 :/ | 17:55 |
| smarter | 2106 actually | 17:56 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 17:56 |
| knome | apachelogger, lol ok | 17:56 |
| rgreening | Riddell: scim patch you suggested is broken for deb as the use of popen forks 'sh' but attempting to run scim via sh fails. | 17:58 |
| knome | apachelogger, k i privmsg'd him | 18:00 |
| * rgreening smashes head against brick wall. | 18:07 | |
| * knome offers rgreening a steel plate | 18:08 | |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot128.png | 18:08 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: what do you think about that ^ | 18:09 |
| knome | apachelogger, the colors were better in 127 and the magnifying glass icon needs thinking | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | uh, nothing about my magnifying! | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | that is the most awesome icon ever | 18:10 |
| rgreening | Had one installed. Broke it. Got a titanium one, broke that too. | 18:10 |
| rgreening | scim is really annoying me | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: it really got 50 patches? | 18:11 |
| knome | apachelogger, +1; what about the odd/even row coloring? | 18:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: I think Yellow after one advocation is counterintuitive. | 18:11 |
| rgreening | ?? 50 patches? | 18:11 |
| knome | apachelogger, the darker one could have a subtle hint of blue and be a bit lighter | 18:11 |
| ScottK-laptop | Moving from a neutral color to yellow makes me think it got worse, not better. | 18:11 |
| knome | well it raises attention.. | 18:12 |
| ScottK-laptop | Wrong kind though. | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: suggestions for a different color? | 18:12 |
| knome | apachelogger, blue? | 18:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: How about Green. I think the difference between one advocation and two is well represented by the icon differences. | 18:13 |
| knome | that would be kind of neutral color | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | nah, that would be weird IMO | 18:13 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: no, they are numbered 01, 10, 20, 30, 40 and mine 50... and it's garbage | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: hm, maybe a lighter green | 18:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | Maybe. | 18:13 |
| rgreening | popen function blows in the patch | 18:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: And then if you do that, I'd switch the red ones to yellow. I'd expect red for a "Dear lord let us never have this in the archive" type of status. | 18:14 |
| knome | apachelogger, PING | 18:19 |
| RainCT | apachelogger: I heard you are shy :). What's up? | 18:19 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | hm, my light bulb just died -.- | 18:20 |
| Tm_T | you killed it? | 18:21 |
| * apachelogger turns on the laptop to see better what he is drawing :P | 18:21 | |
| jjesse | does that mean you are out of ideas? | 18:21 |
| RainCT | apachelogger: the "!" icon is confusing :P | 18:22 |
| RainCT | but the others look good :) | 18:23 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: I'll make the ! yellowish green, and the red X yellow | 18:24 |
| * apachelogger hates to work in the dark -.- | 18:24 | |
| apachelogger | RainCT: btw, the README needs a make over | 18:24 |
| RainCT | btw, have you changed the background color of the table headers or is that Konqueror being mad? :P | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: I did change it | 18:26 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: what do you think? | 18:26 |
| RainCT | apachelogger: Good that blue is better :). I just wanted to be sure that it isn't a bug in Konqueror; you know, KDE applications.. | 18:28 |
| * RainCT runs | 18:28 | |
| * apachelogger throws an inkscape rendering bug after RainCT | 18:28 | |
| apachelogger | RainCT, ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot131.png | 18:30 |
| RainCT | that's better :) | 18:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: Better. Can we have more green and less yellow in advocated. Better, but still yellowish. | 18:33 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: I can try, but first I have to google a new light bulb ;-) | 18:36 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png | 18:41 |
| * ScottK-laptop is good with that. | 18:42 | |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 18:43 |
| apachelogger | RainCT, knome, JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png | 18:43 |
| JontheEchidna | looks good | 18:43 |
| knome | +1! | 18:44 |
| knome | that's great | 18:44 |
| RainCT | awesome, +1 | 18:47 |
| knome | apachelogger, will there be any more icons? | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | knome: no | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | unless RainCT wants to add some :P | 18:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Any word on kde4binding? | 18:48 |
| knome | maybe then change the magnify-icon after all? *hides* | 18:48 |
| knome | it looks a bit off-its-place | 18:48 |
| knome | imo | 18:49 |
| RainCT | apachelogger: Well, the "Comments (#Advocates)" label should be replaced with something that takes up less space, one proposal was to use two icons there.. Any idea? | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: icons instead of the label? | 18:51 |
| * apachelogger thinks that wouldn't look very good considering the other rows use text only | 18:51 | |
| knome | maybe Com (#Adv) | 18:52 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: I guess we could use mail-icon (plus-icon) | 18:54 |
| apachelogger | but icons without text are not very understandible in most cases | 18:55 |
| RainCT | yea perhaps "Com (#Adv)" as knome suggests would be better.. (with a tooltip with the complete text, of course) | 18:56 |
| knome | <abbr title="Comments">Com</abbr> (<abbr title="Number of advocates">#Adv</abbr>) | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: we could use icons for the icons I think | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | *icons for the actions | 18:58 |
| devfil_ | apachelogger: what you can say me about raptor menu in kubuntu? | 18:58 |
| RainCT | nah the actions are not the problem | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | devfil_: there is no raptor code, so there is no raptor menu | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | devfil_: if it finishes before jaunty, we are planing to consider it as an option though | 19:00 |
| devfil_ | apachelogger: good, seems to be quite promising | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot133.png | 19:00 |
| RainCT | why does abbr write everything uppercase? that's evil :P | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | knome: why does it do that? | 19:06 |
| knome | what? | 19:06 |
| === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi | ||
| apachelogger | knome: see screenshot | 19:07 |
| knome | apachelogger, because the css style | 19:07 |
| * RainCT thinks: not as evil as Mozilla, but still evil :D | 19:07 | |
| apachelogger | omg | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: I think you should add an EULA :P | 19:07 |
| rgreening | EULA - Die! Die! Die! | 19:08 |
| * ScottK-laptop wonders if this might be a good time to mention that if you want a distro that doesn't have a EULA requiring default browser, Kubuntu is avialble. | 19:08 | |
| apachelogger | RainCT: actions: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot134.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot135.png | 19:10 |
| * RainCT doesn't know what the icons are supposed to mean (they look nice, though) :P | 19:12 | |
| rgreening | lol... | 19:12 |
| rgreening | Konq is great. It's Web Devs who write crappy Browser Only checks that ruin the world | 19:13 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: maybe color support can help ;-) | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | green + -> archive || green arrow up -> unarchive || red x -> nuke | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | or we could use a nuke for nuke ;-) | 19:15 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot136.png | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | the last one looks weird, doesn't it? | 19:16 |
| goatsocks | ScottK-laptop: i believe you just nailed the Kubuntu motto... "Kubuntu: Ubuntu for Non-Lawyers" | 19:17 |
| rgreening | Kubuntu: Mozilla Free | 19:22 |
| * rgreening ducks | 19:22 | |
| ScottK-laptop | That is a feature and not a bug. | 19:22 |
| rgreening | lol | 19:23 |
| rgreening | I wish it was scim free too after todays headaches | 19:23 |
| rgreening | :) | 19:23 |
| knome | apachelogger, can you suggest any headsets for use with ubuntu? | 19:26 |
| knome | apachelogger, ~cheap | 19:26 |
| apachelogger | not really | 19:26 |
| knome | :< | 19:26 |
| knome | you know any compatibility list? | 19:26 |
| knome | with linux eg. | 19:26 |
| * smarter uses an USB microsoft LifeChat LX-3000, works quiet well | 19:28 | |
| rgreening | I have a nadcatz one... usb | 19:29 |
| knome | smarter, with which distro? | 19:29 |
| rgreening | MadCatz | 19:29 |
| knome | smarter, any problems settings up? | 19:29 |
| rgreening | I haven't used in a while, IRC tho, I have to muck with the asound.conf for also to set it up. | 19:30 |
| rgreening | That was under Gutsy | 19:30 |
| smarter | knome: Kubuntu 8.04/8.10, works out of the box | 19:31 |
| smarter | (iirc) | 19:32 |
| smarter | but I haven't tested the microphone yet | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | oh | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | connection gone | 19:32 |
| knome | d'oh | 19:32 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot137.png comment icons || http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot139.png improved actions | 19:33 |
| knome | that's the most important part :P | 19:33 |
| knome | smarter, would you like to test it? | 19:33 |
| smarter | knome: not right now, doing homework | 19:33 |
| knome | bah | 19:33 |
| smarter | german homework even :] | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | knome, RainCT: that capital abbr is a khtml bug | 19:34 |
| apachelogger | webkit works | 19:34 |
| knome | apachelogger, hmm | 19:35 |
| knome | apachelogger, moment | 19:35 |
| knome | apachelogger, abbr { text-transform: none; } | 19:37 |
| knome | on css | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | knome: not worko | 19:38 |
| * apachelogger needs to feed | 19:38 | |
| RainCT | apachelogger: make the nuke icon red or something | 19:40 |
| knome | apachelogger, body abbr | 19:40 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: uhm, crap: bug 270531 | 19:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270531 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine 1:1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu4~hardy1~ppa1 stopped working on Hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270531 | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | RainCT: k | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | knome: not worky | 19:44 |
| knome | apachelogger, html body abbr | 19:44 |
| knome | :P | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: expected behaviour | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | one needs to reset the theme if qt3 was used before | 19:44 |
| jtechidna | they say it's also not in systemsettings anymore | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | knome: nono | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: well, yes, only KDE 4 | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | gotta live with that | 19:45 |
| knome | apachelogger, ok khtml is borked | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:46 |
| jtechidna | so, how do they fix their gtk theming for kde3? | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmmmmmm | 19:46 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| apachelogger | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: make it install to /usr | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | though | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: it needs some magic | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | the kcm needs to go to usr/lib/kde4 the actual lib to /usr | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | might be also worky if the kcm is in /usr | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | wouldn't bet on that though | 19:47 |
| Nightrose | seele: this weekend I found out that it is not just us having the "save as -> white pages" problem in okular (tested with another KDE dev) | 19:54 |
| Nightrose | and appereantly it is because poppler is too old | 19:54 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: do you know if there is a newer version in intrepid? | 19:54 |
| Nightrose | seaLne: about "move/copy to" in dolphin - we discussed it at the meeting and the result was that people want to know from upstream why it is not enabled by default - do you have time to ask Peter Penz? | 19:56 |
| seele | Nightrose: hum.. that sucks. i've been printing to PDF to get over the problem, but its annoying | 19:57 |
| Nightrose | jep me too | 19:58 |
| Nightrose | or anyone else here on intrepid who could test something for us? | 19:58 |
| Nightrose | seele: anyway - should be fixed with newer poppler - i hope apachelogger knows if it is already fixed in intrepid | 19:58 |
| JontheEchidna | Intrepid has 0.8.7 | 20:00 |
| JontheEchidna | of poppler | 20:00 |
| JontheEchidna | which is the latest stable release | 20:01 |
| Nightrose | ok great | 20:01 |
| Nightrose | let's hope it is fixed with that | 20:01 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: If I get the scim issue fixed, are you able to upload or someone else (I believe Riddell is still away). | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: copy/move cluttered my menu | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: ScottK, nixternal, Hobbsee can | 20:06 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: i think it is worth it | 20:06 |
| rgreening | k. cool. I think I got it this time. Junked the original patch. Wrote my own. | 20:06 |
| rgreening | :) | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: nothing is worse cluttered menus :P | 20:07 |
| Nightrose | imho it is not cluttered | 20:07 |
| rgreening | debuild now... let's see if it works :) | 20:07 |
| Nightrose | and a certain someone was _very_ happy when I showed him how to get copy/move back ;-) | 20:08 |
| Nightrose | he missed it from KDE 3 | 20:08 |
| * apachelogger demands a case study on the target audience | 20:08 | |
| rgreening | WOOT! Fixed scim delays | 20:09 |
| rgreening | debdiff comng shortly. Any volunteer to upload it? | 20:10 |
| ScottK-laptop | How obscure is it? | 20:10 |
| rgreening | a couple of lines | 20:10 |
| rgreening | 1 sec... I'll pastebit it | 20:10 |
| * claydoh wants his move/copy back too. it doesn't clutter the info pane at all | 20:11 | |
| rgreening | http://paste.ubuntu.com/47218/ - scim binary check fix - removes delay if scim not installed | 20:12 |
| rgreening | There was another complicated patch with popen.. gross. And never worked on deb systems | 20:13 |
| rgreening | This is simple | 20:13 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. How about a patch description and maybe some debian/changelog? | 20:14 |
| rgreening | I have the debdiff prepared now. | 20:16 |
| rgreening | 1 sec for paste | 20:16 |
| rgreening | http://paste.ubuntu.com/47219/ | 20:17 |
| rgreening | There it is. :) | 20:17 |
| rgreening | let me know if there are any issues with my submission. | 20:18 |
| rgreening | It's only my second fix. This one was all on my own... don't think I missed anything. | 20:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: For debian/changelog, I think both the what and the why are important. Something like, "Add 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch to remove 10 second startup delay if ... (LP: #203334) | 20:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | And the (LP: #nnnnnn) is the equivalent of (Closes: #nnnnnn) in Debian. | 20:19 |
| rgreening | Okies.... want me to redo and re-sub | 20:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | Also still need a patch description (Line 28 of your last paste). | 20:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: I'd prefer it since you know what you're doing better than I do. | 20:20 |
| rgreening | k. np. still l3rning :) | 20:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | Great. | 20:20 |
| seele | anyone know if ~/Desktop is supposed to be hidden? I seem to remember we used to use .Desktop | 20:21 |
| rgreening | give me 5 or 10.... | 20:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: I'm pretty certain not, but I haven't read the actual spec. | 20:21 |
| smarter | seele: I don't remember anything like that, and don't see the point | 20:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | Actually I think hiding it would be pretty user hostile. | 20:21 |
| seele | smarter: KDE is phasing out the Desktop folder concept, so it's something we're going to have to move with eventually | 20:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | And since we aren't developing Launchpad here, we should avoid that. | 20:22 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: right now it's a problem because of XDG, i think Firefox downloads everything to "Desktop" by default | 20:22 |
| smarter | yep it does | 20:22 |
| ScottK-laptop | Isn't XDG a FDO spec? | 20:23 |
| seele | yes | 20:23 |
| seele | http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html | 20:23 |
| smarter | but I don't think hidden the desktop dir is a good idea, until KDE provides a better alternative at least | 20:23 |
| goatsocks | so is kde going to lobby to change the fdo spec, or are they just going to break the spec? | 20:25 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: Since Kubuntu has implemented XDG, we're kind of stuck unless KDE goes back and gets the spec changed. | 20:27 |
| seele | smarter: alternative to what? the only problem i know of is firefox downloading to Desktop | 20:28 |
| seele | smarter: otherwise the environment supports non-desktop folders | 20:28 |
| smarter | yep, but people are used to their good old Desktop ;) | 20:28 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: yeah, but i dont know who or when someone will do that. it's just going to get more broken as we go along because KDE will stop supporting the concept of a desktop | 20:28 |
| seele | smarter: by going to kde4 we're not supporting them using their "good old Desktop" | 20:29 |
| goatsocks | seele: so kde4 doesn't care about xdg? | 20:29 |
| seele | goatsocks: no no no, it does | 20:29 |
| seele | at least it follows it at the moment | 20:29 |
| ScottK-laptop | seele: So does ~/Desktop just become a folder in the FS that doesn't happen to equate to what we view as the "Desktop"? | 20:29 |
| seele | but xgd breaks the KDE desktop concept | 20:29 |
| goatsocks | seele: making Desktop go away would require changing the xdg spec, so something has to give | 20:30 |
| seele | (looks like someone is going to start a conversation about it on the xdg mailing list) | 20:30 |
| * ScottK-laptop is not that someone. | 20:30 | |
| goatsocks | seele: either kde lobbies fd.o to change xdg, or kde breaks from xdg | 20:30 |
| seele | ScottK-laptop: i think some people are proposing that ~/Desktop turns in to a legacy .Desktop | 20:30 |
| seele | goatsocks: no kidding. upstream people are on it :P | 20:31 |
| smarter | people need an easy way to put temp files and quick access files/apps, without cluttering there $HOME | 20:31 |
| smarter | strigi/nepomuk and plasma are of course the way to go, but in 4.1 at least, I don't think we're ready to break the whole desktop metaphor | 20:31 |
| goatsocks | smarter: right, Desktop is used as a tmp folder by many users | 20:31 |
| seele | not really. Desktop is used as a working directory, not a temp directory | 20:32 |
| goatsocks | seele: i'm talking about how users actually use it in the real world | 20:32 |
| seele | ephemeral and working information is stored on it, not just ephemeral (temporary) | 20:32 |
| seele | goatsocks: yeah.. so am i. there's tons of research on the topic | 20:32 |
| goatsocks | seele: i don't need any research, my mother and my bro both use Desktop as temp dirs | 20:33 |
| RainCT | seele: if Konqueror/Dolphin support .hidden files perhaps the Desktop directory can be hidden using one of those | 20:33 |
| seele | goatsocks: that's a bit ethnocentric | 20:33 |
| RainCT | (that's answering to the "turn ~/Desktop into .Desktop", I'm not sure if I've understood what the issue is but neither do I really mind about KDE :P) | 20:34 |
| goatsocks | seele: how does ethnicity factor into that? | 20:34 |
| seele | goatsocks: omg look up the word | 20:34 |
| seele | youre drawing conclusions from your own bubble of the world instead of considering other users and factors outside your experience | 20:35 |
| smarter | that's what I said, temp and "quick access", I'll happily remove that if I could say "open all pdf about foo" to Nepomuk, but that's not the case atm | 20:35 |
| seele | RainCT: i'm not sure if .Desktop will still conform to the xdg spec | 20:36 |
| goatsocks | seele: and you're discounting people's real world experience with "studies" | 20:36 |
| seele | goatsocks: 3 people's experience is hardly statistically significant | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: should we do powerdevil? | 20:39 |
| JontheEchidna | does it have any advantages over what we have now? | 20:40 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't know since he doesn't have a laptop | 20:40 | |
| goatsocks | seele: even if this were a corner case, which i'm not convinced it is, you seem too dismissive of it... what did ~/Desktop ever do to earn your enmity? ;) | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, it might become default in 4.2 anyway | 20:41 |
| JontheEchidna | let's do it then | 20:42 |
| ScottK | Properties for my desktop ~/Desktop says "47153 files, 6499 sub-folders | 20:46 |
| smarter | Oo | 20:47 |
| goatsocks | ScottK: where will you put all that stuff when ~/Desktop goes away? ;) | 20:47 |
| ScottK | Good question. | 20:48 |
| goatsocks | ~/Temp? | 20:48 |
| ScottK | Maybe. | 20:48 |
| goatsocks | i think that's what i'd do | 20:48 |
| smarter | ~/IHopeSomedayNepomukWillAllowMeToFindSomethingInThisMess | 20:48 |
| goatsocks | nepomuk is only helpful when you're not looking for something hierarchically | 20:49 |
| goatsocks | as a dev, a lot of my poking about for files is hierarchical, since i don't know exactly what i'm looking for a priori | 20:50 |
| smarter | yep, but you may know some caracteristics of what you're looking for | 20:50 |
| smarter | and nepomuk should help here | 20:50 |
| goatsocks | somewhat, but many times the structure of a distribution tree is important | 20:53 |
| goatsocks | with respect to your current task | 20:53 |
| goatsocks | so i see nepomuk as another filesystem tool, but one that can't and shouldn't replace traditional ones like filesystem hierarchy | 20:54 |
| smarter | goatsocks: it's a bit more than file system | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: powerdevil ain't has no systray | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | smarter: did you apply for motu yet? | 21:00 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: so ruphy says we should create some tiny systray app controling the settings via dbus | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: what do you think? | 21:01 |
| smarter | apachelogger; nop because of my german homework :P, and I'm going to bed | 21:01 |
| * JontheEchidna hides from potential work | 21:01 | |
| goatsocks | apachelogger: steal the code from guidance | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | that wouldn't exactly work | 21:04 |
| JontheEchidna | dbus is the issue | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | I luv dbus | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: well, should we consider it? | 21:06 |
| JontheEchidna | it seems pretty cool | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | we basically just need a tray app to manipulate backlight, change performance profile and open the kcm | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't be too complex | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47245/ | 21:12 |
| rgreening | ScottK-laptop: still around | 21:14 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 21:14 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: its just a matter of me actually doing it | 21:14 |
| NCommander | I can have it done like soonish | 21:15 |
| NCommander | Need to test one last build | 21:15 |
| rgreening | kk. getting paste for ya. | 21:15 |
| ScottK | NCommander: I think smarter is planning on uploading 4.1.1 soon, so it'd be nice to know if this patch should go in. | 21:15 |
| NCommander | for what? | 21:15 |
| smarter | what patch? | 21:16 |
| ScottK | For guidance-power-manager. | 21:16 |
| NCommander | Oh, that | 21:16 |
| NCommander | I don't even get what I'm susposed to be testing | 21:16 |
| rgreening | ScottK: scim delay debdiff here http://paste.ubuntu.com/47246/ | 21:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | smarter: Bug 269483 | 21:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269483 in guidance-power-manager "KDE4 guidance-power-manager tooltip allways shows top left of icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269483 | 21:16 |
| rgreening | lmk if that's better | 21:16 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: Diff looks good. So how come we don't just make the scim-bridge-client depend on scim so this can't happen? | 21:18 |
| rgreening | That's what I asked Riddell... but I don't think he heard me :) | 21:18 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 21:19 |
| rgreening | So, I guess there is a case where it's legal/possible for scim to not be installed? | 21:19 |
| rgreening | in any case, this works | 21:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. | 21:19 |
| rgreening | hmm... it does general output though from the call to which. Perhaps I should change the patch to redirect to /dev/null | 21:20 |
| rgreening | for the which command | 21:20 |
| rgreening | for now, it's ok to see what is happening | 21:20 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: I got that part, but I'm not sure the behavior I should be looking for. My panel is firmly planted at the bottom | 21:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Can you move it and see? | 21:21 |
| ScottK-laptop | All I know is what's written in the bug. | 21:21 |
| NCommander | Er | 21:22 |
| NCommander | I didn't even know you could move the panel | 21:22 |
| * NCommander is not someone who changes their desktop much | 21:22 | |
| NCommander | Just the wallpaper | 21:22 |
| NCommander | How do I move it ;-)? | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png | 21:23 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: post your branch and I'll merge it | 21:23 |
| NCommander | (propose for merging and I'll ack it) | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | I need to clean up first | 21:23 |
| ScottK-laptop | rgreening: It also needs maintainer updated. I'm fixing that. | 21:24 |
| rgreening | ok. | 21:24 |
| rgreening | brb. reboot. | 21:27 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: can you upload gnucash for me? (I'm testing my kde4bindings fix now) | 21:28 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Did you get a 2nd ack? | 21:28 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it on IRC, but didn't post a comment | 21:30 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Right. I ack'ed after I saw that, but FFe needs two acks from motu-release. | 21:31 |
| NCommander | ScottK: I thought siretart was motu-release | 21:31 |
| ScottK-laptop | Nope. | 21:32 |
| ScottK-laptop | Just someone who's been interested in that package for a long time who's opinion I respect. | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: I'll update the README later on | 21:35 |
| * apachelogger should seriously get some spare time | 21:35 | |
| NCommander | ScottK: I got kde4bindings for you | 22:16 |
| NCommander | ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47265/ | 22:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: Great. | 22:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: You tested this how? | 22:19 |
| ScottK-laptop | Once burned twice shy and all that. | 22:20 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: I removed lpia and made sure the resulting mono objects weren't packaged | 22:20 |
| NCommander | (the result in my PPA) | 22:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: OK. Sounds good. Thanks. | 22:20 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: In general I could stand for your debian/changelog entries to be more verbose. | 22:26 |
| NCommander | ScottK-laptop: I can fix that now if you like | 22:26 |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: I think in this case it's OK given what I wrote in the last one, but it should be explicit about what and why so the next person that touches the package understands. | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: btw, I sent you the revu patch | 22:27 |
| * NCommander queues the merger | 22:27 | |
| ScottK-laptop | NCommander: For example, the samba4/kdelibs ones could have stood something like "... due to Bug #nnnnnn and can be dropped once that is fixed." | 22:27 |
| NCommander | ah, I see | 22:28 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: I don't see your bzr tree | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: my bzr tree? | 22:28 |
| NCommander | how/where are the fixs? | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: in your gmail inbox | 22:29 |
| * NCommander wanted a nice/easy to merge bazaar tree | 22:29 | |
| apachelogger | NCommander: read the mail :P | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | you got a tree in a patch file :P | 22:29 |
| NCommander | haven't gotten it yet | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | omg | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | maybe kmail ate it | 22:30 |
| * apachelogger shudders | 22:30 | |
| NCommander | OMG, YOUR MAIL KILLED OXYGEN | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | it did? | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | omg | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | how did it do that | 22:31 |
| * apachelogger knew mailing was a bad idea | 22:31 | |
| NCommander | cause its a b****** | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/oxygen.patch | 22:31 |
| NCommander | that means I need to merge things | 22:31 |
| NCommander | I don't even have a local revu install ATM | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | ô mon dieu! | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: just merge and push :P | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | issues will appear rather quickly I guess :P | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | my todo is out of date | 22:35 |
| NCommander | so ScottK, when are some of my backport fixes going to be uploaded | 22:37 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Are there any that need uploading? Now that jdong is back, I'm taking a break from looking at those bugs. | 22:41 |
| NCommander | ScottK: quite a few actually | 22:41 |
| NCommander | ScottK: at least 3 or 4 | 22:41 |
| NCommander | w00t | 22:43 |
| NCommander | Libtool failures | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: is it just me or are we drowning in work? | 22:44 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: yeah, merge + powerdevil + stuff | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | nice | 22:45 |
| * apachelogger demands minions | 22:45 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: are you going to write the powerdevil systray? | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | otherwise I will have to do rubyqt magic ;-) | 22:46 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: probably not... | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | well, maybe smarter wants | 22:47 |
| apachelogger | I think rubyqt is a dep of amarok anyway. | 22:47 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: Any idea why we have DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_kdepim-dev := -Xkdepimwidgets.so in debian/rules for kdepim? | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: maybe debian needs it because they patch KDE to not link recursive | 22:52 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: So we can drop it? | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: if you want to increase the diff to debian, yes | 22:53 |
| ScottK-laptop | apachelogger: The thing is we're shipping that .so in kdepim-dev, so shouldn't it get proper depends? | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | Probably. | 22:56 |
| ScottK-laptop | At the very least Lintian will be happier. | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | ScottK-laptop: Give it a try. | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | If kdepim refuses to build, you know why ;-) | 22:58 |
| ScottK-laptop | OK. Building. I'll know in about an eternity. | 23:05 |
| bdmurray | JontheEchidna: Why was bug 222298 changed to update-manager? | 23:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 222298 in update-manager "Hardy upgrade does not show terminal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222298 | 23:24 |
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| JontheEchidna | bdmurray: I thought that adept only showed the changleog and launched update-manager-kde | 23:24 |
| JontheEchidna | is that incorrect? | 23:24 |
| JontheEchidna | s/changelog/release announcement | 23:25 |
| bdmurray | I thought adept was a different frontend, but I'm not positive. | 23:27 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: ^would you happen to know how adept2 is involved in dist-upgrading? | 23:27 |
| bdmurray | JontheEchidna: It looks to me like update-manager does do the dist-upgrade. | 23:29 |
| bdmurray | JontheEchidna: By the way do you anything about the kubuntu-bugs team? I saw an e-mail about it and was wondering what the plan was. | 23:31 |
| JontheEchidna | bdmurray: apachelogger is the dude with the plan for that. I think the plan is for it to basically be a bugmail funnel for kubuntu-related bugs | 23:31 |
| JontheEchidna | but somebody on LP already has the ~kubuntu-bugs nickname | 23:32 |
| JontheEchidna | so for now it's Almost Kubuntu Bugs until we can get that name | 23:32 |
| bdmurray | Right, I saw that team name. ;) | 23:32 |
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