[01:03] ScottK: would you mind sponsoring bug 270176 and bug 270253? [01:03] Launchpad bug 270176 in kdeutils "kdeutils 4.1.1: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270176 [01:03] Launchpad bug 270253 in kdeplasma-addons "kdeplasma-addons 4.1.1: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270253 [01:19] hehe, i compiled the latest Qt Firefox and added a Google Chrome theme: http://img.flashtux.org/img1326913555axd003b991.png [01:46] nice === vorian is now known as mad-mule === mad-mule is now known as vorian [02:30] and now firefox qt hack with chrome tabs up top: http://img.flashtux.org/img13269138090x651c633a.png [02:40] gj goatsocks [02:41] * rgreening wonders about Kond quiv [03:31] ScottK: and maybe could you sponsor bug 270334 too please? [03:31] Launchpad bug 270334 in phonon "phonon 4.2.0: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270334 [03:53] JontheEchidna: Maybe tomorrow. [04:26] goatsocks: http://www.chromeplugins.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/firefox-chrome.png === dsfjlskgjlkfdhgk is now known as bobesponja [06:48] apachelogger: pong [08:53] Riddell: libical 0.33-1 uploaded [08:58] fabo: thanks. still binary compatible? [08:59] presumably this is just the bugfix release they were talking about when 0.32 had issues [09:07] <\sh> hmmm [09:07] <\sh> keurocalc-kde4 -> still under /usr/lib/kde4/bin/* [09:07] <\sh> wasn't it transitioned to standard dirs? [09:08] that package should be removed [09:09] * Riddell does so [09:09] <\sh> Riddell: it looks like that keurocalc is still kde3 and keurocalc-kde4 never went into intrepid [09:10] <\sh> should keurocalc for kde3 go and keurocalc-kde4 migrate to keurocalc with C/R on keurocalc-kde4{-data}? [09:13] yes please \sh [09:14] hi Beineri [09:15] moin [09:19] Riddell: alpha 5 also doesn't boot in virtualbox 2.0 for me [09:20] davmor2: what's the status with virtualbox? ^^ [09:20] it probably doesn't :( I have no idea though cause I use real machine 2 ticks though and I can check [09:21] Beineri: 32bit or 64bit? [09:21] 32 [09:21] sorry vb 32bit [09:21] Riddell: yes, binary compatible/bugfix release. It contains some fixes sent by gnome people and another fix from a.winterz [09:23] <\sh> Riddell: ok..will do [09:23] http://developer.kde.org/~binner/kubuntu.png [09:23] <\sh> Beineri ? You here ? :) Welcome :) [09:23] \sh: mhm, was here also yesterday ;-) [09:24] Riddell: Beineri: Seems to work at the speed of a dying gnat on alternate I'll try live now [09:24] Mandriva and openSUSE run fine ;-) [09:24] <\sh> Beineri: good to see that you are changing the coast ;) *eg* [09:27] Riddell: live dies a death with a kernel trace that scrolls off the page [09:35] \sh: do you know the diplomats in civilizations? :-) [09:40] davmor3: bummer, time to poke soren I guess [09:40] \sh: ooh i have plasma working on both heads now :) [09:40] I'm just trying it in kvm [09:41] kdm still dosen't get the background image right tho [09:41] Riddell: seems to be working in KVM [09:43] so Beineri is behind with his virtualisation technology :) [09:44] one of them things I guess :) [09:44] brb [09:44] well no, it should be fixed [09:44] Beineri: are you able to report a bug with the details of what happens? [09:44] no, don't see whole trace either [09:47] davmor2: can you report a bug on the virtualbox issue? [09:48] Yeah I'll have a look and see if I can't get the kernel trace to be copied somewhere. It supprises me that there isn't already a bug about it though [09:50] there may be [09:54] <\sh> seaLne: how? :) [09:54] <\sh> Beineri: hehe...sometimes I can be one of them ;) [09:56] \sh: updated this morning and logged in and it is working *shrug* :) [09:56] <\sh> seaLne: hmm../me needs to check that too :) later this day...hopefully [09:58] Riddell: look at the known issues section here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5 [10:00] <\sh> Riddell: will you approve the NEW package then for keurocalc? [10:00] <\sh> ah no [10:01] <\sh> keurocalc will be overwritten anyways [10:03] <\sh> Riddell: do we need anything from motu-release? [10:03] <\sh> for that package? [10:07] \sh: fine with me, go ahead and upload [10:07] <\sh> Riddell: thx [10:20] hey Riddell [10:21] <\sh> keurocalc for kde4 as replacement for keurocalc-kde4 and keurocalc for kde3 on its way [10:44] hi NCommander [10:44] hey Riddell [10:45] Riddell: I'm fixing the Samba4 FTBFS :-) [10:56] Riddell: so can I steal you for a upload in a little bit? [11:12] NCommander: probably [11:13] \o_ samba builds [11:14] yay [11:14] Need to upload it to my PPA [11:14] are you using the fix from kdelibs? [11:14] Riddell: a similar one, yes [11:14] (using glibc headers over linux ones) [11:16] * NCommander kicks his internet connection [11:16] dput is uploading at less than a 1kb per second [11:17] Riddell: know of any other FTBFSes that need attention? [11:17] isn't there a list? [11:18] Riddell: I should have said pressing FTBFSes [11:19] I wouldn't know without seeing the list :) [11:19] Riddell: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ - command me to fix :-) [11:23] what's up with kdeutils on lpia? [11:23] basket would be good to fixs [11:23] Riddell: try retrying kdeutils on lpia, that looks like a transient failure [11:24] what's up with libqt4-ruby? [11:25] Riddell: libqt4-ruby is a delayed upload [11:26] hmm, qlix broke, I'm sure I only uploaded that recently [11:26] (sometimes the buildds fail to upload when they finish building, that one clears by itself) [11:26] smb4k broken? [11:27] samba4? [11:27] I just fixed that, it needs an upload [11:27] (its clean rule is somewhat broken) [11:27] (I should properly fix that first) [11:27] I don't think smb4k depends on samba4 [11:27] taskjuggler should work, needs ruby foo [11:28] * NCommander files a bug in debian about the broken samba4 rule [11:28] Fixing it in Ubuntu is pointless, it will get clobbered on the next sync [11:29] Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - samba4 awaits your upload after it builds ;-) [11:47] * NCommander rolls the Debian patch to include the fixed clean rule [11:48] <\sh> seaLne: can you send me your xorg.conf? this screen resolution tool from kde systemsettings doesn't work for me here ;) [11:51] \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47115/ [11:53] \sh: that didn't work in hardy but started working in intrepid [11:53] <\sh> seaLne: hmm..I'll try it :) [11:56] \sh: ati or nvidia? [11:58] <\sh> seaLne: ati [11:58] <\sh> seaLne: but plasma on the second screen -> no :) [11:59] but you had left yes, right no? whereas i had the othe way round weird [11:59] <\sh> seaLne: yepp [11:59] <\sh> ah no [11:59] <\sh> left no, right yes [12:00] ok that makes a bit more sense [12:00] <\sh> ok.../me has a meeting [12:57] khangman(9418) KEduVocDocument::KEduVocDocument: constructor done [12:57] khangman(9418) KHangMan::setLanguages: Languages ("es") [12:57] khangman(9418) KHangMan::setAccent: in slot accent [12:57] KCrash: Application 'khangman' crashing... [12:57] um [12:57] I don't even know how that happened [12:58] I pasted that in b.k.o [12:58] davmor2: what virtualbox version do you have? [12:59] !tell dirk: virtualbox 2.0.2 build still only works as root [12:59] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:00] 1.5.6 [13:01] davmor2: seems to work with 2.0.2 here (had before 2.0.0 and 1.6.x) [13:01] ubottu is more dumb than susehelp bot ;-) [13:01] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:02] only that the notes plasmoid is placed half off the small screen :-) [13:05] ubuntu needs boot options for screen size [13:23] Beineri: don't blame the bot because you don't know how to use it ;) [13:25] actually I typed into the wrong tab :-) [13:46] NCommander: *cough* oxygen *cough* [13:46] * apachelogger waves to Beineri [13:46] * NCommander uses his chainsaw on apachelogger [13:47] * apachelogger runs [13:47] * jussi01 snatches apachelogger away from NCommander and says not to my ninja you dont, while brandishing a handgun :D [13:47] * NCommander tweaks apachelogger so he FTBFS on i386/amd64 [13:48] * apachelogger hides in the bunker and starts work :P [13:48] If my FTBFS powers can be used for good, they can also be used for evil :-) [13:49] apachelogger: I'll install oxygen icons if you give them to me with the proper filenames and already properly resized [13:50] NCommander: Speaking of FTBFS, do you have a samba4 fix? I saw you mention it on -server. [13:50] ScottK-laptop: Its in my PPA [13:50] THe clean rule is broken though so I need to respin it if you want a perfect debdiff [13:51] NCommander: Yes, please. [13:51] NCommander: by proper file names you mean the current ones? [13:51] apachelogger: yeah [13:51] * apachelogger thinks the icon should follow the icon naming spec so they can be easily replaced _without_ renaming :P [13:52] The source is there [13:52] Your welcome to fix it :-) [13:52] well [13:52] NCommander: I can't get it to run :S [13:53] * apachelogger wouldn't want to mess with it without seeing the results really [13:54] NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47141/ [13:54] apparently register_sourcepackage() doesn't return anything :S [13:55] Sounds like RainCT broke it more :-) [13:55] \o/ [13:55] the initial setup is a PITA :P [13:55] Yup [13:55] and the documentation is only slightly out of date ;-) [13:55] For my changes, I updated the docs! [13:56] ScottK: http://pastebin.ca/1203292 [13:57] <\sh> back [13:57] <\sh> seaLne: and you have plasma on both screens? [13:59] what happens when you have to plasmas collide? [13:59] black hole? [13:59] * ScottK-laptop looks [13:59] \sh: yeah one on each [13:59] apachelogger: end of the world as we know it [13:59] hm [13:59] seaLne: don't ever switch to one screen! [13:59] * apachelogger kinda liked that world [13:59] <\sh> seaLne: any strange config setting for plasma in some strange config file? [14:00] NCommander: Maintainer change too. [14:00] argh [14:00] bah [14:00] I'm used to seeing it in the changelog to remind me to do it [14:00] * apachelogger thinks he will have to start all over again with revu [14:00] nope wasn't working last week updated this morning and it did with no changes by me [14:00] ScottK: Sorry about that, I need to run in 20 minutes so I'm rushing [14:02] ScottK http://pastebin.ca/index.php [14:02] er [14:02] NCommander: Link to an actual paste, please... [14:02] http://pastebin.ca/1203297 [14:02] Sorry [14:02] Yeah [14:02] I realized that a moment too late [14:02] No problem [14:04] NCommander: Thanks. Test bulding now. [14:10] NCommander: At some point why it built OK on Debian Experimental, but not Intrepid is probably worth looking into. [14:10] ScottK-laptop: Its because our glibc and linux headers have a disagreement on the defintion of flock [14:10] I already filed bugs about it [14:10] OK. Great. [14:10] Thanks. [14:12] ScottK-laptop: its the same bug that was causing kdelibs to FTBFS on amd64 [14:13] Ah. Lucky you. [14:13] ScottK-laptop: why am I lucky? [14:14] Got to fix the effects of the same bug twice. I'm guessing it made it easy to recognize. [14:14] oh yeah [14:14] FTBFS come in patterns [14:15] * NCommander needs quarters, lots and lots of quarters [14:17] Oh, ScottK-laptop, while your here [14:17] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - can you ack this for me [14:17] Launchpad bug 270200 in gnucash "Change libgoffice dependency from 0.4 to 0.6" [Low,In progress] [14:18] NCommander: Did you ask siretart? [14:18] NCommander: Ask him to review it and then I'll ack it if he's in favor. [14:18] I didn't see him online [14:20] has anyone seen konq4 have the wrong title for a tab? a closed tab title or one to the left or right [14:20] me [14:21] apachelogger: Was there a guidance-power-manager update for 4.1.1? We still have 4.1.0. [14:21] Beineri: any idea what causes it? [14:21] seaLne: a bug? ;-) [14:21] surely its a feature :P [14:22] ScottK-laptop: there seems to be a tarball [14:23] ScottK-laptop: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu [14:23] r9 [14:23] I guess just no one uploaded it yet [14:24] NCommander: Did you get a chance to look at the guidance-power-manager patch yesterday? [14:24] * Beineri only knows that you don't have to reorder tabs as I don't ever do that [14:25] ScottK-laptop: sorry, no, where was it, I'll install it and test it later [14:26] NCommander: Bug 269483 [14:27] Launchpad bug 269483 in guidance-power-manager "KDE4 guidance-power-manager tooltip allways shows top left of icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269483 [14:27] NCommander: can I port revu to rails? :P [14:28] seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170470 [14:28] KDE bug 170470 in tabbing "Wrong caption of tabs occurs sometimes in konqueror" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [14:28] * NCommander watches his brain melt [14:29] damn it apachelogger, there goes my FTBFS foo [14:29] * rgreening scoops up remains... mmmm brains [14:29] Beineri: ta [14:29] * apachelogger slowly moves backwards towards the channel door [14:29] At least I'm recyclable [14:29] Go garbage collection go [14:30] :P [14:30] * apachelogger better leaves before the channel starts hunting him [14:31] ♻ NCommander [14:31] * apachelogger thinks dejavu got a serious problems with symbols [14:31] apachelogger: what's with you an unicode O_O; [14:31] * NCommander saw the symbol [14:32] maybe quassel got a problem with them [14:32] ♥ quassel [14:32] :P [14:32] * rgreening is beginning to hate scim/skim/... [14:32] rgreening: is it broken again? [14:32] * rgreening shouts "why won't it die? [14:32] hahah [14:33] I'm working on adding in a patch Riddell pointed me to [14:33] And the bloody thing spawns a ton of scim-panel-gtk processes [14:33] and killing the aplet respawns it. HA [14:34] sounds like fun [14:34] It's like a 'willnot' cause it will not go away [14:34] rgreening: soon it will achieve sentience and cause a segfault in the process [14:34] I believe it's how SkyNet gets it's start. Better get Sarah Connors [14:35] * rgreening queues the spooky music [14:35] The best however was when I caused a panic within panic() [14:35] Infinite panics [14:35] lol [14:35] NCommander: oh, btw, revu seriously needs some coding style [14:35] or at least a script to clean it up every once in a while [14:36] I once wrote an autistic piece of assemply code. [14:36] apachelogger: I didn't write it [14:36] just saying [14:36] It wouldn't listen and kept spitting out numbers [14:37] I also wrote one to eat memory in the system and thow it away. THe net result was that the guy using the terminal couldn't play netrek while I ran it. :) Freed up the terminal for me. [14:40] scim is def buggy at this point. scim-panel-gtk gets launched and seems to hold up other systray applets from loading. When I finally killed it, then they loaded. [14:40] ok, time ot patch [14:43] ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it [14:43] hm [14:43] NCommander: how do I nuke the database's content? [14:44] apachelogger: drop database *database*; [14:44] don't do that on production ;-) [14:44] :P [14:45] hm [14:45] you know, switching between tab and space idention in one source file is a pretty awkward to say the least [14:47] apachelogger: are you an MOTU? [14:48] NCommander: Last I checked... yes :P [14:48] apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - upload please ;-) [14:48] Launchpad bug 270200 in gnucash "Change libgoffice dependency from 0.4 to 0.6" [Low,In progress] [14:49] ERROR: database "revubase" is being accessed by other users [14:49] \o/ [14:49] god, I hate it [14:50] NCommander: tell the debian maintainer to introduce line breaks after 80 characters, that diff line is mind warping [14:50] * NCommander warps apachelogger's mind to compinsate [14:51] apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental - second favor, approve me please :-) [14:52] huh? [14:52] why? :P [14:52] I'm going to try that libqt merge [14:53] Riddell: I'm smoketesting again and Kubuntu just failed due to smartpm-core and update-motd not being installable for landscape-client. Have a word with cjwatson I thought it had been removed to get round this? [14:53] brb [14:54] I've got to run for about 20 minutes apachelogger, so if you have any uploading issues, please leave for me, and I'll respond as soon as I am able ;-) [14:55] roger roger [14:55] NCommander: libqt merge is in progress already [14:55] if you mean the merge I mean :P [15:02] Riddell: around? [15:07] apachelogger: oh [15:09] * apachelogger pokes NCommander with r = c.query("SELECT usid FROM gpgkeys WHERE fingerprint='%s'" % fingerprint) [15:09] there is absolutely no script which actually moves the keys to the DB [15:09] that would explain the error I guess [15:10] apachelogger: take a look at launchpad_login.py [15:11] sick [15:11] apachelogger: what? [15:12] sick code [15:12] sick as in good or bad? [15:14] NCommander: bad [15:14] to much cluttering [15:14] apachelogger: why? [15:14] cluttering? [15:14] yus [15:14] this wouldn't have happened with rails :P [15:18] NCommander: oh, it works, thank you [15:20] * NCommander hits apachelogger [15:20] * apachelogger starts crying [15:21] * Hobbsee thumps NCommander repeatedly [15:21] * Hobbsee raises the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ [15:22] * NCommander eats Hobbsee with a side of fava beans [15:22] * Hobbsee is not so tasty. [15:22] * Hobbsee is rather bony. [15:24] NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot109.png [15:25] apachelogger... can you help me with something? got any experience with dpatch? The scim module uses it and I can't seem to add my patch to the package because of it. [15:26] * apachelogger usually converts dpatch to quilt :P [15:26] rgreening: did you add the patch name to 00list? [15:26] apachelogger: ew. [15:26] yep [15:26] rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Dpatch [15:26] Hobbsee: I've never seen what you looked like so how should I know? [15:27] NCommander: surely you should have researched that before attempting to eat me. [15:27] Hobbsee: minor detail [15:27] I did all that with dpatch. I think the file looks correct. [15:28] I manually tested the patch to see if it applied before adding the dpatch stuff, and it did. No other patches conflict with that file. [15:28] weird [15:29] applying patch 50_check_scim_binary to ./ ... failed. [15:29] make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1 [15:32] any other suggestion on how to make this dpatch apply? [15:33] could this be an issue: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field [15:45] I really hate dpatch [15:45] +1 [15:45] anyway [15:45] garbage [15:45] help? [15:45] :) [15:45] rgreening: did you build the patch on the existing patch stack? [15:46] otherwise I would assume it really is just that an earlier patch alters some file which is also touched by yours and thus make your patch unappliable [15:46] I took an existing patch jr provided. I applied it manually to verify it. This I built a proper diff from it. dpatch needed some stuff added to the top. did that and alled it to 00list. [15:47] I looked at the others.... The mod Makefiles.... [15:47] not the .c file I alter [15:47] let me check again [15:48] nope. all makefile changes only [15:49] if i run dpatch apply-all manually they all apply [15:49] hmmm.... [15:50] ok, this is bizarre. Running debuild after running dpatch apply-all allows the system to build. I'll try debuild -S after again. [15:50] WONKY! [15:50] someone kill dpatch [15:51] please.. hahah [15:57] -.- [15:58] * apachelogger really thinks revu should be rewritten using rails :P [15:58] NCommander: when I try getting to the details page it opens the god damn url in an editor -.- [15:59] lol [15:59] do you have to run debuild (strictly) begore running debuild -S? Cause it seems that I needed to do that with the scim package and dpatch. [15:59] oh [15:59] NCommander: minor path issue [15:59] "minor" as in the god damn database stores absolute paths [16:00] rgreening: you shouldn't [16:03] bizarre [16:04] * NCommander listens to the sound of apachelggers swears [16:04] Sweet sweet music [16:07] lol [16:28] is it too late to add powerdevil to system settings for intrepid? === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:33] * rgreening weeps silently [16:34] heya seele [16:37] NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot110.png [16:38] I think I don't like the bulb [16:40] hello people [16:40] I have a user which has a 4.1.1 KHangMan package and there's no data files [16:40] who would check where those files are please? [16:41] annma: you're talking about my bug report then? [16:41] annma: hey, is khangman edu or games? [16:41] JontheEchidna: ohhh [16:41] apachelogger: edu [16:42] Edu [16:42] JontheEchidna: YES [16:42] then I am downloading the wrong package :P [16:42] the packaging is missing files? [16:42] if I knew you were there it would have been quicker [16:42] JontheEchidna: yes, the data files [16:42] usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/khangman/ [16:42] but according to the packaging they should all be installed [16:43] apachelogger: the files are hard.kvtml, easy.kvtml for ex [16:43] where can I see that? [16:43] ah [16:44] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169079 [16:44] KDE bug 169079 in general "KHangman crashes on startup" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [16:44] there are no data files [16:44] yes [16:44] they are in the l10n package [16:44] for English??? [16:44] no! [16:44] ok [16:44] * apachelogger needs to find a deb [16:45] yeah, english isn't in any l10n package [16:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/47169/ [16:46] and the code defaults to English files [16:46] not in the package iether [16:46] apachelogger: I'll fix this in kdeedu then merge from Debian, unless they've already fixed it in which case I'll just merge [16:46] JontheEchidna: the files would have appeared in the list-missing [16:46] JontheEchidna: you are a KUbuntu devel??? [16:47] really [16:47] annma: yeah [16:47] annma: lower case u :) [16:47] -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/hard.kvtml [16:47] -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/easy.kvtml [16:47] -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/animals.kvtml [16:47] -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/medium.kvtml [16:47] that's the files [16:47] JontheEchidna: there was no need to do a bug report [16:47] we wasted time [16:47] after several hours I came here... [16:47] sorry :( [16:47] I wasted time, I mean [16:49] and you don't know ME JontheEchidna? [16:49] uh [16:49] next time please grab me from IRC [16:49] ok, will do [16:49] cp -a debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kvtml/ debian/kanagram//usr/share/kde4/apps/ [16:49] I am KDE-Edu coordinator by the way [16:49] what is the user has no KAnagram install? [16:49] annma: are these files shared among kanagram and khangman? [16:49] sort of [16:49] ok [16:49] they CAN be shared [16:50] but we kept each data with each app [16:50] ^^ [16:50] did you know... kana means chicken in finnish [16:50] :| [16:50] apachelogger: so maybe a kdeedu-common file is needed? [16:51] s/file/package [16:51] JontheEchidna: we need a -data package or -common-data if debian didn't introduce one meanwhile, then move the kvtml files to that package and make kanagram and khangman depend on binary:Version [16:51] or maybe source:Version [16:51] * apachelogger starts thinking [16:51] JontheEchidna: source [16:51] k [16:52] JontheEchidna: and poke the debian maintainer with our changes ;-) [16:52] annma: thank you for stopping by :) [16:52] annma: sorry once again :) [16:53] well [16:53] I'm closing the report as invalid [16:54] I'll add a return; when there's no data [16:54] there should never be such a case really [16:55] for KDE 4.3 maybe we'll put data in a subdir [16:55] I'll ask distros about how they prefer things done [16:56] next time for all Edu probs/questions: I am the person to talk to or pinotree as fallback [16:56] we should cooperate more anyway [16:56] hello lovely kubuntu people, kwave looks like it could do with some love [16:56] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495758 [16:56] pinotree is the guy for everyone :) [16:56] Debian bug 495758 in kwave "kwave has rpath to insecure location (/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/mt:/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/libgui:/build/buildd/kwave-0.7.10/build/libkwave)" [Serious,Closed] [16:56] annma: where do you usually hang out? [16:56] apachelogger: exactly! a king [16:56] JontheEchidna: #kdeedu [16:56] JontheEchidna, on hangman [16:56] ;) [16:57] JontheEchidna: all kde channels: #kde #kde-devel #kde-edu [16:57] #plasma [16:57] lol knome [16:57] thanks [16:58] annma at kde dot org as mail [16:58] as you see I am keen to help [16:58] as you saw witht he report (was it a test?) [16:58] isn't there any list that somebody updates of all the contact personnel?! [16:58] that'd be ++ [16:58] on techbase.kde.org [16:58] james_w: we are a bit short on staff, I'll put it on the todo [16:58] there's the list of module maintainers knome [16:59] annma, but not of the promo/etc/leading geeks? [16:59] which are the persons to contact for build probleù [16:59] what do you need them for? [16:59] apachelogger: thanks. A sync may be reasonable, but apparently there is no kde4 version, and I don't know how you want to handle that [16:59] leading geeks are on core-devel mailing list of course [16:59] well for nothing, but there might be a case when you need somebody and there's actually no problem.. [16:59] there are never any problem, we have mailing lists [16:59] o.O [17:00] i haven't been around for long yet, but this complete thing feels quite unorganized [17:00] we have 1 person for build problem per module and to ensure that apps are maintained and such [17:00] knome: yes [17:00] it is [17:00] Riddell: The patch doesn't 100% solve the delays. I have, however, located the source of the delat. It's actually in the call to scim_launch in the agent. There is an intentional delay loop which is wrong. I'm writing a patch now. [17:00] james_w: if it builds and works, we usually care as much about it as if it was a KDE 4 app ;-) [17:00] annma, well yes, but there's a lot outside the build and development [17:00] this is Free Software, not an enterprize [17:00] apachelogger: not at all? :-p [17:00] knome: of course [17:01] but for your needs as Kubuntu people [17:01] I can enumerate everything fo ryou of course knome [17:01] just wondering [17:01] knome: KDE only seems unorganized, because no one documents ;-) [17:01] basically it's the bazaar [17:01] though, in case of kde-www it is really unorganized [17:01] yes! [17:02] we document [17:02] james_w: exaclty :P [17:02] see techbase.kde.org [17:02] see userbase.kde.org [17:02] in the bazaar things are done [17:02] usually you communicate more by mailing lists than specific person [17:02] for promo, and such [17:03] i doubt there is a promo list for kubuntu. [17:03] that's not KDE [17:03] at least apachelogger hasn't pointed me to one [17:03] a promo list for kubuntu? [17:03] what do yo mean? [17:03] well, www, graphic, general promo stuff [17:04] for kubuntu? [17:04] yes? [17:04] create one [17:04] I am talking about KDE myself, not being in Kubuntu [17:04] sure [17:04] with lower u [17:04] ha [17:04] OK I have to go cook dinner [17:04] ok [17:04] annma: we are 2nd class citizen ... creating a list sounds easier than it is ;-) [17:04] have a good meal [17:05] lol [17:05] knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot112.png [17:05] last item's icon [17:06] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot111.png [17:06] yus? [17:06] replace it with the screwdriver one of the tools or the underconstruction thingy [17:06] kdegames? [17:06] yes [17:06] * JontheEchidna votes for underconstruction [17:06] apachelogger, how will i change that? :P [17:07] I do [17:07] ok [17:07] * apachelogger needs opinions [17:07] JontheEchidna: that might very well be too yellowish [17:07] best use of space though [17:07] underconstruction i'd say as well [17:07] * apachelogger tries [17:07] even the hammer is too small, screwdriver would be even smaller [17:07] == bad [17:07] NCommander: Samba4 uploaded. Thank you. [17:09] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot113.png [17:09] JontheEchidna: knome: [17:09] definitely. [17:09] the icon for kdegraphics isn't so good. [17:09] I know [17:10] that's still the old lightbulb [17:10] orly? [17:10] I think... [17:10] * apachelogger thinks the oxygen one is even worse because it is brighter :P [17:11] hm [17:11] actually ... that is the oxygen one [17:11] oh [17:11] the bulb is pointless anyway [17:11] how do I relate a bulb to the status "advocated" [17:11] I think the current revu magnifying glass looks too crystal svg [17:13] apachelogger, maybe a sheet of paper? [17:13] JontheEchidna: it is crystal svg :P [17:13] ha [17:14] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot114.png [17:14] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot115.png [17:14] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot116.png [17:14] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot117.png [17:14] opinions [17:15] so is that like "approved" or "ready" ? [17:15] no, the one above is approved [17:15] what is that then [17:15] semi-approved [17:15] hmmh. [17:16] apachelogger: kdeedu bug also affects latest debian [17:16] you need to advocations in order to get the package accepted [17:16] apachelogger, i'd suggest a sheet of paper. [17:16] * JontheEchidna will notify them [17:16] JontheEchidna: first make the diff :P [17:16] or make the diff in a collaborative way [17:16] gobby-like ;-) [17:16] should I merge first? [17:17] then base the diff off the new ubuntu package [17:17] JontheEchidna: first talk with them, if they do the fix right away you could merge the change in [17:17] * JontheEchidna hops on to irc.debian.org [17:17] knome: the idea of the icon is to rais attention to this upload [17:17] a sheet of paper might not be too useful [17:18] apachelogger, well a sheet of paper with bright spot on it? [17:18] or ! [17:18] apachelogger: I'd go with either the green checkmark or yellow star [17:18] or just red dot [17:18] red causes bad association [17:18] especially a dot [17:18] that is like - this package is on halt or something [17:18] this package will crap things up! ohnoes [17:19] bah [17:19] it catches yer attention [17:19] and people get used to anything [17:20] i associate checkmark or a star with something already done [17:20] apachelogger: dood, they already know about it. how scary is that? [17:20] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot118.png [17:20] a yellow flag maybe? [17:20] a green flag is also like it's done.. [17:21] though that icon is not so good anyway :P [17:21] well it is almost done :P [17:21] still. [17:21] yellow flag got too little contrast [17:21] can't you change the bg color of the row? [17:22] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot119.png [17:22] tottally irrelevant :P [17:23] we could use the KDE logo :P [17:23] how would that relate [17:24] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot120.png [17:24] the one at kdegames! :D [17:24] too cute [17:24] hmm.. [17:24] just a yellow spot, yes [17:24] Oo [17:24] your screen suxx0rs [17:25] add a kubuntu gear [17:25] nah, i can see what it is [17:25] but if i look it just quickly [17:25] it looks like yellow spot [17:25] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot121.png [17:25] uhhh [17:26] we shuld use emotes to reflect the package status :P [17:26] why not change kdebase-ws -> green checkmark and kdegraphics to heart? [17:26] ok [17:26] that would result in people killing me [17:26] :D [17:26] revu always used a heart for 2 acks [17:27] well that's better than infinite torture [17:27] JontheEchidna: halp! [17:27] halp with wut? [17:28] snapshot121 makes it look like the package is broken or something, red isnt' a good idea imo [17:33] wuut? [17:34] * knome pushes Tm_T:s nipple [17:34] *beep* [17:34] nice one [17:35] JontheEchidna, knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot125.png [17:35] apachelogger, yes [17:36] that definitely is it [17:37] apachelogger: +1 [17:37] even if you get killed ;) [17:40] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot126.png [17:40] what has changed? [17:41] aha, colors [17:41] yes [17:41] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot127.png [17:41] apachelogger: second one I think [17:41] hey [17:42] apachelogger: 127 looks like windows xp sp2 icons :/ [17:43] JontheEchidna: should I change that at all? [17:44] knome: get rainct in here again :P [17:44] I think I'd make it a bit darker and less cyan [17:44] apachelogger: http://www.cases.public.lu/fr/pratique/solutions/patch_systeme/wxp2/pictures/wu2.gif [17:44] smarter: so they are bad icons because they look like windows'? [17:44] smarter: did you apply for motu yet? [17:44] lol [17:44] * smarter quickly hides :P [17:45] smarter: is guidance-power-manager ready for upload? if so, get an FFe [17:45] smarter: what is the status of kepas? [17:46] I'm making FFe for gpm and kepas, then I'll post that motu application [17:47] well, they look *exactly* like these xp icons, and imho they're not really good icons, but oh well [17:49] apachelogger and smarter: I'd have thought gpm 4.1.1 fell under the existing KDE exception for 4.1.1? [17:49] * smarter doesn't know if we have an FFe for extragear [17:49] Oh fsck, KMail apparently decided during the night that my last 3 months of mails and mail config were no longer relevant and deleted them :/ [17:51] smarter: If it were KDE3 kmail, I'd suggest reindexing because they're probably still there. No idea aobut kde4. [17:51] it's kde4, how do I trigger the reindexing? [17:51] ScottK-laptop: true [17:51] it also deleted the groups I created during the last months [17:53] Dunno. In KDE3 you deleted the index and restarted Kmail. [17:54] * smarter tries [17:55] smarter: right-click on a folder and look for the reindex option [17:55] apparently it just changed the date of half my email to 2108 :/ [17:56] 2106 actually [17:56] lol [17:56] apachelogger, lol ok [17:58] Riddell: scim patch you suggested is broken for deb as the use of popen forks 'sh' but attempting to run scim via sh fails. [18:00] apachelogger, k i privmsg'd him [18:07] * rgreening smashes head against brick wall. [18:08] * knome offers rgreening a steel plate [18:08] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot128.png [18:09] ScottK-laptop: what do you think about that ^ [18:10] apachelogger, the colors were better in 127 and the magnifying glass icon needs thinking [18:10] uh, nothing about my magnifying! [18:10] that is the most awesome icon ever [18:10] Had one installed. Broke it. Got a titanium one, broke that too. [18:10] scim is really annoying me [18:10] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png [18:11] rgreening: it really got 50 patches? [18:11] apachelogger, +1; what about the odd/even row coloring? [18:11] apachelogger: I think Yellow after one advocation is counterintuitive. [18:11] ?? 50 patches? [18:11] apachelogger, the darker one could have a subtle hint of blue and be a bit lighter [18:11] Moving from a neutral color to yellow makes me think it got worse, not better. [18:12] well it raises attention.. [18:12] Wrong kind though. [18:12] ScottK-laptop: suggestions for a different color? [18:13] apachelogger, blue? [18:13] apachelogger: How about Green. I think the difference between one advocation and two is well represented by the icon differences. [18:13] that would be kind of neutral color [18:13] nah, that would be weird IMO [18:13] apachelogger: no, they are numbered 01, 10, 20, 30, 40 and mine 50... and it's garbage [18:13] ScottK-laptop: hm, maybe a lighter green [18:13] Maybe. [18:13] popen function blows in the patch [18:14] apachelogger: And then if you do that, I'd switch the red ones to yellow. I'd expect red for a "Dear lord let us never have this in the archive" type of status. [18:19] apachelogger, PING [18:19] apachelogger: I heard you are shy :). What's up? [18:20] RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png [18:20] hm, my light bulb just died -.- [18:21] you killed it? [18:21] * apachelogger turns on the laptop to see better what he is drawing :P [18:21] does that mean you are out of ideas? [18:22] apachelogger: the "!" icon is confusing :P [18:23] but the others look good :) [18:24] RainCT: I'll make the ! yellowish green, and the red X yellow [18:24] * apachelogger hates to work in the dark -.- [18:24] RainCT: btw, the README needs a make over [18:24] btw, have you changed the background color of the table headers or is that Konqueror being mad? :P [18:26] RainCT: I did change it [18:26] RainCT: what do you think? [18:28] apachelogger: Good that blue is better :). I just wanted to be sure that it isn't a bug in Konqueror; you know, KDE applications.. [18:28] * RainCT runs [18:28] * apachelogger throws an inkscape rendering bug after RainCT [18:30] RainCT, ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot131.png [18:32] that's better :) [18:33] apachelogger: Better. Can we have more green and less yellow in advocated. Better, but still yellowish. [18:36] ScottK-laptop: I can try, but first I have to google a new light bulb ;-) [18:36] OK [18:41] ScottK-laptop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png [18:42] * ScottK-laptop is good with that. [18:43] \o/ [18:43] RainCT, knome, JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png [18:43] looks good [18:44] +1! [18:44] that's great [18:47] awesome, +1 [18:47] apachelogger, will there be any more icons? [18:47] knome: no [18:47] unless RainCT wants to add some :P [18:48] NCommander: Any word on kde4binding? [18:48] maybe then change the magnify-icon after all? *hides* [18:48] it looks a bit off-its-place [18:49] imo [18:50] apachelogger: Well, the "Comments (#Advocates)" label should be replaced with something that takes up less space, one proposal was to use two icons there.. Any idea? [18:51] RainCT: icons instead of the label? [18:51] * apachelogger thinks that wouldn't look very good considering the other rows use text only [18:52] maybe Com (#Adv) [18:54] RainCT: I guess we could use mail-icon (plus-icon) [18:55] but icons without text are not very understandible in most cases [18:56] yea perhaps "Com (#Adv)" as knome suggests would be better.. (with a tooltip with the complete text, of course) [18:57] Com (#Adv) [18:57] RainCT: we could use icons for the icons I think [18:58] *icons for the actions [18:58] apachelogger: what you can say me about raptor menu in kubuntu? [18:59] nah the actions are not the problem [19:00] devfil_: there is no raptor code, so there is no raptor menu [19:00] devfil_: if it finishes before jaunty, we are planing to consider it as an option though [19:00] apachelogger: good, seems to be quite promising [19:00] RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot133.png [19:03] why does abbr write everything uppercase? that's evil :P [19:06] *shrug* [19:06] knome: why does it do that? [19:06] what? === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [19:07] knome: see screenshot [19:07] apachelogger, because the css style [19:07] * RainCT thinks: not as evil as Mozilla, but still evil :D [19:07] omg [19:07] RainCT: I think you should add an EULA :P [19:08] EULA - Die! Die! Die! [19:08] * ScottK-laptop wonders if this might be a good time to mention that if you want a distro that doesn't have a EULA requiring default browser, Kubuntu is avialble. [19:10] RainCT: actions: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot134.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot135.png [19:12] * RainCT doesn't know what the icons are supposed to mean (they look nice, though) :P [19:12] lol... [19:13] Konq is great. It's Web Devs who write crappy Browser Only checks that ruin the world [19:15] RainCT: maybe color support can help ;-) [19:15] green + -> archive || green arrow up -> unarchive || red x -> nuke [19:15] or we could use a nuke for nuke ;-) [19:16] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot136.png [19:16] the last one looks weird, doesn't it? [19:17] ScottK-laptop: i believe you just nailed the Kubuntu motto... "Kubuntu: Ubuntu for Non-Lawyers" [19:22] Kubuntu: Mozilla Free [19:22] * rgreening ducks [19:22] That is a feature and not a bug. [19:23] lol [19:23] I wish it was scim free too after todays headaches [19:23] :) [19:26] apachelogger, can you suggest any headsets for use with ubuntu? [19:26] apachelogger, ~cheap [19:26] not really [19:26] :< [19:26] you know any compatibility list? [19:26] with linux eg. [19:28] * smarter uses an USB microsoft LifeChat LX-3000, works quiet well [19:29] I have a nadcatz one... usb [19:29] smarter, with which distro? [19:29] MadCatz [19:29] smarter, any problems settings up? [19:30] I haven't used in a while, IRC tho, I have to muck with the asound.conf for also to set it up. [19:30] That was under Gutsy [19:31] knome: Kubuntu 8.04/8.10, works out of the box [19:32] (iirc) [19:32] but I haven't tested the microphone yet [19:32] oh [19:32] connection gone [19:32] d'oh [19:33] RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot137.png comment icons || http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot139.png improved actions [19:33] that's the most important part :P [19:33] smarter, would you like to test it? [19:33] knome: not right now, doing homework [19:33] bah [19:34] german homework even :] [19:34] knome, RainCT: that capital abbr is a khtml bug [19:34] webkit works [19:35] apachelogger, hmm [19:35] apachelogger, moment [19:37] apachelogger, abbr { text-transform: none; } [19:37] on css [19:38] knome: not worko [19:38] * apachelogger needs to feed [19:40] apachelogger: make the nuke icon red or something [19:40] apachelogger, body abbr [19:43] apachelogger: uhm, crap: bug 270531 [19:43] Launchpad bug 270531 in gtk-qt-engine "gtk-qt-engine 1:1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu4~hardy1~ppa1 stopped working on Hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270531 [19:44] RainCT: k [19:44] knome: not worky [19:44] apachelogger, html body abbr [19:44] :P [19:44] jtechidna: expected behaviour [19:44] one needs to reset the theme if qt3 was used before [19:45] they say it's also not in systemsettings anymore [19:45] knome: nono [19:45] jtechidna: well, yes, only KDE 4 [19:45] gotta live with that [19:46] apachelogger, ok khtml is borked [19:46] hm [19:46] so, how do they fix their gtk theming for kde3? [19:46] hmmmmmmmmmmm === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [19:46] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [19:46] JontheEchidna: make it install to /usr [19:46] though [19:46] JontheEchidna: it needs some magic [19:47] the kcm needs to go to usr/lib/kde4 the actual lib to /usr [19:47] might be also worky if the kcm is in /usr [19:47] wouldn't bet on that though [19:54] seele: this weekend I found out that it is not just us having the "save as -> white pages" problem in okular (tested with another KDE dev) [19:54] and appereantly it is because poppler is too old [19:54] apachelogger: do you know if there is a newer version in intrepid? [19:56] seaLne: about "move/copy to" in dolphin - we discussed it at the meeting and the result was that people want to know from upstream why it is not enabled by default - do you have time to ask Peter Penz? [19:57] Nightrose: hum.. that sucks. i've been printing to PDF to get over the problem, but its annoying [19:58] jep me too [19:58] or anyone else here on intrepid who could test something for us? [19:58] seele: anyway - should be fixed with newer poppler - i hope apachelogger knows if it is already fixed in intrepid [20:00] Intrepid has 0.8.7 [20:00] of poppler [20:01] which is the latest stable release [20:01] ok great [20:01] let's hope it is fixed with that [20:02] apachelogger: If I get the scim issue fixed, are you able to upload or someone else (I believe Riddell is still away). [20:06] Nightrose: copy/move cluttered my menu [20:06] rgreening: ScottK, nixternal, Hobbsee can [20:06] apachelogger: i think it is worth it [20:06] k. cool. I think I got it this time. Junked the original patch. Wrote my own. [20:07] :) [20:07] Nightrose: nothing is worse cluttered menus :P [20:07] imho it is not cluttered [20:07] debuild now... let's see if it works :) [20:08] and a certain someone was _very_ happy when I showed him how to get copy/move back ;-) [20:08] he missed it from KDE 3 [20:08] * apachelogger demands a case study on the target audience [20:09] WOOT! Fixed scim delays [20:10] debdiff comng shortly. Any volunteer to upload it? [20:10] How obscure is it? [20:10] a couple of lines [20:10] 1 sec... I'll pastebit it [20:11] * claydoh wants his move/copy back too. it doesn't clutter the info pane at all [20:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/47218/ - scim binary check fix - removes delay if scim not installed [20:13] There was another complicated patch with popen.. gross. And never worked on deb systems [20:13] This is simple [20:14] OK. How about a patch description and maybe some debian/changelog? [20:16] I have the debdiff prepared now. [20:16] 1 sec for paste [20:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/47219/ [20:17] There it is. :) [20:18] let me know if there are any issues with my submission. [20:18] It's only my second fix. This one was all on my own... don't think I missed anything. [20:18] rgreening: For debian/changelog, I think both the what and the why are important. Something like, "Add 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch to remove 10 second startup delay if ... (LP: #203334) [20:19] And the (LP: #nnnnnn) is the equivalent of (Closes: #nnnnnn) in Debian. [20:19] Okies.... want me to redo and re-sub [20:20] Also still need a patch description (Line 28 of your last paste). [20:20] rgreening: I'd prefer it since you know what you're doing better than I do. [20:20] k. np. still l3rning :) [20:20] Great. [20:21] anyone know if ~/Desktop is supposed to be hidden? I seem to remember we used to use .Desktop [20:21] give me 5 or 10.... [20:21] seele: I'm pretty certain not, but I haven't read the actual spec. [20:21] seele: I don't remember anything like that, and don't see the point [20:21] Actually I think hiding it would be pretty user hostile. [20:21] smarter: KDE is phasing out the Desktop folder concept, so it's something we're going to have to move with eventually [20:22] And since we aren't developing Launchpad here, we should avoid that. [20:22] ScottK-laptop: right now it's a problem because of XDG, i think Firefox downloads everything to "Desktop" by default [20:22] yep it does [20:23] Isn't XDG a FDO spec? [20:23] yes [20:23] http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html [20:23] but I don't think hidden the desktop dir is a good idea, until KDE provides a better alternative at least [20:25] so is kde going to lobby to change the fdo spec, or are they just going to break the spec? [20:27] seele: Since Kubuntu has implemented XDG, we're kind of stuck unless KDE goes back and gets the spec changed. [20:28] smarter: alternative to what? the only problem i know of is firefox downloading to Desktop [20:28] smarter: otherwise the environment supports non-desktop folders [20:28] yep, but people are used to their good old Desktop ;) [20:28] ScottK-laptop: yeah, but i dont know who or when someone will do that. it's just going to get more broken as we go along because KDE will stop supporting the concept of a desktop [20:29] smarter: by going to kde4 we're not supporting them using their "good old Desktop" [20:29] seele: so kde4 doesn't care about xdg? [20:29] goatsocks: no no no, it does [20:29] at least it follows it at the moment [20:29] seele: So does ~/Desktop just become a folder in the FS that doesn't happen to equate to what we view as the "Desktop"? [20:29] but xgd breaks the KDE desktop concept [20:30] seele: making Desktop go away would require changing the xdg spec, so something has to give [20:30] (looks like someone is going to start a conversation about it on the xdg mailing list) [20:30] * ScottK-laptop is not that someone. [20:30] seele: either kde lobbies fd.o to change xdg, or kde breaks from xdg [20:30] ScottK-laptop: i think some people are proposing that ~/Desktop turns in to a legacy .Desktop [20:31] goatsocks: no kidding. upstream people are on it :P [20:31] people need an easy way to put temp files and quick access files/apps, without cluttering there $HOME [20:31] strigi/nepomuk and plasma are of course the way to go, but in 4.1 at least, I don't think we're ready to break the whole desktop metaphor [20:31] smarter: right, Desktop is used as a tmp folder by many users [20:32] not really. Desktop is used as a working directory, not a temp directory [20:32] seele: i'm talking about how users actually use it in the real world [20:32] ephemeral and working information is stored on it, not just ephemeral (temporary) [20:32] goatsocks: yeah.. so am i. there's tons of research on the topic [20:33] seele: i don't need any research, my mother and my bro both use Desktop as temp dirs [20:33] seele: if Konqueror/Dolphin support .hidden files perhaps the Desktop directory can be hidden using one of those [20:33] goatsocks: that's a bit ethnocentric [20:34] (that's answering to the "turn ~/Desktop into .Desktop", I'm not sure if I've understood what the issue is but neither do I really mind about KDE :P) [20:34] seele: how does ethnicity factor into that? [20:34] goatsocks: omg look up the word [20:35] youre drawing conclusions from your own bubble of the world instead of considering other users and factors outside your experience [20:35] that's what I said, temp and "quick access", I'll happily remove that if I could say "open all pdf about foo" to Nepomuk, but that's not the case atm [20:36] RainCT: i'm not sure if .Desktop will still conform to the xdg spec [20:36] seele: and you're discounting people's real world experience with "studies" [20:37] goatsocks: 3 people's experience is hardly statistically significant [20:39] JontheEchidna: should we do powerdevil? [20:40] does it have any advantages over what we have now? [20:40] * JontheEchidna doesn't know since he doesn't have a laptop [20:40] seele: even if this were a corner case, which i'm not convinced it is, you seem too dismissive of it... what did ~/Desktop ever do to earn your enmity? ;) [20:41] JontheEchidna: well, it might become default in 4.2 anyway [20:42] let's do it then [20:46] Properties for my desktop ~/Desktop says "47153 files, 6499 sub-folders [20:47] Oo [20:47] ScottK: where will you put all that stuff when ~/Desktop goes away? ;) [20:48] Good question. [20:48] ~/Temp? [20:48] Maybe. [20:48] i think that's what i'd do [20:48] ~/IHopeSomedayNepomukWillAllowMeToFindSomethingInThisMess [20:49] nepomuk is only helpful when you're not looking for something hierarchically [20:50] as a dev, a lot of my poking about for files is hierarchical, since i don't know exactly what i'm looking for a priori [20:50] yep, but you may know some caracteristics of what you're looking for [20:50] and nepomuk should help here [20:53] somewhat, but many times the structure of a distribution tree is important [20:53] with respect to your current task [20:54] so i see nepomuk as another filesystem tool, but one that can't and shouldn't replace traditional ones like filesystem hierarchy [21:00] goatsocks: it's a bit more than file system [21:00] JontheEchidna: powerdevil ain't has no systray [21:00] smarter: did you apply for motu yet? [21:01] JontheEchidna: so ruphy says we should create some tiny systray app controling the settings via dbus [21:01] JontheEchidna: what do you think? [21:01] apachelogger; nop because of my german homework :P, and I'm going to bed [21:01] * JontheEchidna hides from potential work [21:02] apachelogger: steal the code from guidance [21:04] that wouldn't exactly work [21:04] dbus is the issue [21:04] I luv dbus [21:06] JontheEchidna: well, should we consider it? [21:06] it seems pretty cool [21:06] we basically just need a tray app to manipulate backlight, change performance profile and open the kcm [21:07] shouldn't be too complex [21:12] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47245/ [21:14] ScottK-laptop: still around [21:14] Yep. [21:14] ScottK-laptop: its just a matter of me actually doing it [21:15] I can have it done like soonish [21:15] Need to test one last build [21:15] kk. getting paste for ya. [21:15] NCommander: I think smarter is planning on uploading 4.1.1 soon, so it'd be nice to know if this patch should go in. [21:15] for what? [21:16] what patch? [21:16] For guidance-power-manager. [21:16] Oh, that [21:16] I don't even get what I'm susposed to be testing [21:16] ScottK: scim delay debdiff here http://paste.ubuntu.com/47246/ [21:16] smarter: Bug 269483 [21:16] Launchpad bug 269483 in guidance-power-manager "KDE4 guidance-power-manager tooltip allways shows top left of icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269483 [21:16] lmk if that's better [21:18] rgreening: Diff looks good. So how come we don't just make the scim-bridge-client depend on scim so this can't happen? [21:18] That's what I asked Riddell... but I don't think he heard me :) [21:19] OK. [21:19] So, I guess there is a case where it's legal/possible for scim to not be installed? [21:19] in any case, this works [21:19] OK. [21:20] hmm... it does general output though from the call to which. Perhaps I should change the patch to redirect to /dev/null [21:20] for the which command [21:20] for now, it's ok to see what is happening [21:20] ScottK-laptop: I got that part, but I'm not sure the behavior I should be looking for. My panel is firmly planted at the bottom [21:21] NCommander: Can you move it and see? [21:21] All I know is what's written in the bug. [21:22] Er [21:22] I didn't even know you could move the panel [21:22] * NCommander is not someone who changes their desktop much [21:22] Just the wallpaper [21:22] How do I move it ;-)? [21:23] NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png [21:23] apachelogger: post your branch and I'll merge it [21:23] (propose for merging and I'll ack it) [21:23] I need to clean up first [21:24] rgreening: It also needs maintainer updated. I'm fixing that. [21:24] ok. [21:27] brb. reboot. [21:28] ScottK-laptop: can you upload gnucash for me? (I'm testing my kde4bindings fix now) [21:28] NCommander: Did you get a 2nd ack? [21:30] ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it on IRC, but didn't post a comment [21:31] NCommander: Right. I ack'ed after I saw that, but FFe needs two acks from motu-release. [21:31] ScottK: I thought siretart was motu-release [21:32] Nope. [21:32] Just someone who's been interested in that package for a long time who's opinion I respect. [21:35] NCommander: I'll update the README later on [21:35] * apachelogger should seriously get some spare time [22:16] ScottK: I got kde4bindings for you [22:19] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47265/ [22:19] NCommander: Great. [22:19] NCommander: You tested this how? [22:20] Once burned twice shy and all that. [22:20] ScottK-laptop: I removed lpia and made sure the resulting mono objects weren't packaged [22:20] (the result in my PPA) [22:20] NCommander: OK. Sounds good. Thanks. [22:26] NCommander: In general I could stand for your debian/changelog entries to be more verbose. [22:26] ScottK-laptop: I can fix that now if you like [22:27] NCommander: I think in this case it's OK given what I wrote in the last one, but it should be explicit about what and why so the next person that touches the package understands. [22:27] NCommander: btw, I sent you the revu patch [22:27] * NCommander queues the merger [22:27] NCommander: For example, the samba4/kdelibs ones could have stood something like "... due to Bug #nnnnnn and can be dropped once that is fixed." [22:28] ah, I see [22:28] apachelogger: I don't see your bzr tree [22:28] NCommander: my bzr tree? [22:28] how/where are the fixs? [22:29] NCommander: in your gmail inbox [22:29] * NCommander wanted a nice/easy to merge bazaar tree [22:29] NCommander: read the mail :P [22:29] you got a tree in a patch file :P [22:29] haven't gotten it yet [22:30] omg [22:30] maybe kmail ate it [22:30] * apachelogger shudders [22:30] OMG, YOUR MAIL KILLED OXYGEN [22:30] it did? [22:30] omg [22:31] how did it do that [22:31] * apachelogger knew mailing was a bad idea [22:31] cause its a b****** [22:31] http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/oxygen.patch [22:31] that means I need to merge things [22:31] I don't even have a local revu install ATM [22:32] ô mon dieu! [22:32] NCommander: just merge and push :P [22:33] issues will appear rather quickly I guess :P [22:35] hm [22:35] my todo is out of date [22:37] so ScottK, when are some of my backport fixes going to be uploaded [22:41] NCommander: Are there any that need uploading? Now that jdong is back, I'm taking a break from looking at those bugs. [22:41] ScottK: quite a few actually [22:41] ScottK: at least 3 or 4 [22:43] w00t [22:43] Libtool failures [22:44] JontheEchidna: is it just me or are we drowning in work? [22:45] apachelogger: yeah, merge + powerdevil + stuff [22:45] nice [22:45] * apachelogger demands minions [22:46] JontheEchidna: are you going to write the powerdevil systray? [22:46] otherwise I will have to do rubyqt magic ;-) [22:47] apachelogger: probably not... [22:47] \o/ [22:47] well, maybe smarter wants [22:47] I think rubyqt is a dep of amarok anyway. [22:49] apachelogger: Any idea why we have DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_kdepim-dev := -Xkdepimwidgets.so in debian/rules for kdepim? [22:52] ScottK-laptop: maybe debian needs it because they patch KDE to not link recursive [22:53] apachelogger: So we can drop it? [22:53] ScottK-laptop: if you want to increase the diff to debian, yes [22:54] apachelogger: The thing is we're shipping that .so in kdepim-dev, so shouldn't it get proper depends? [22:56] Probably. [22:57] At the very least Lintian will be happier. [22:57] ScottK-laptop: Give it a try. [22:58] If kdepim refuses to build, you know why ;-) [23:05] OK. Building. I'll know in about an eternity. [23:24] JontheEchidna: Why was bug 222298 changed to update-manager? [23:24] Launchpad bug 222298 in update-manager "Hardy upgrade does not show terminal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222298 === wolfger_ is now known as wolfger [23:24] bdmurray: I thought that adept only showed the changleog and launched update-manager-kde [23:24] is that incorrect? [23:25] s/changelog/release announcement [23:27] I thought adept was a different frontend, but I'm not positive. [23:27] Riddell: ^would you happen to know how adept2 is involved in dist-upgrading? [23:29] JontheEchidna: It looks to me like update-manager does do the dist-upgrade. [23:31] JontheEchidna: By the way do you anything about the kubuntu-bugs team? I saw an e-mail about it and was wondering what the plan was. [23:31] bdmurray: apachelogger is the dude with the plan for that. I think the plan is for it to basically be a bugmail funnel for kubuntu-related bugs [23:32] but somebody on LP already has the ~kubuntu-bugs nickname [23:32] so for now it's Almost Kubuntu Bugs until we can get that name [23:32] Right, I saw that team name. ;)