[01:03] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: would you mind sponsoring bug 270176 and bug 270253?
[01:19] <goatsocks> hehe, i compiled the latest Qt Firefox and added a Google Chrome theme: http://img.flashtux.org/img1326913555axd003b991.png
[01:46] <vorian> nice
[02:30] <goatsocks> and now firefox qt hack with chrome tabs up top: http://img.flashtux.org/img13269138090x651c633a.png
[02:40] <rgreening> gj goatsocks
[02:41]  * rgreening wonders about Kond quiv
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: and maybe could you sponsor bug 270334 too please?
[03:53] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Maybe tomorrow.
[04:26] <bobesponja> goatsocks: http://www.chromeplugins.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/firefox-chrome.png
[06:48] <NCommander> apachelogger: pong
[08:53] <fabo> Riddell: libical 0.33-1 uploaded
[08:58] <Riddell> fabo: thanks.  still binary compatible?
[08:59] <Riddell> presumably this is just the bugfix release they were talking about when 0.32 had issues
[09:07] <\sh> hmmm
[09:07] <\sh> keurocalc-kde4 -> still under /usr/lib/kde4/bin/*
[09:07] <\sh> wasn't it transitioned to standard dirs?
[09:08] <Riddell> that package should be removed
[09:09]  * Riddell does so
[09:09] <\sh> Riddell: it looks like that keurocalc is still kde3 and keurocalc-kde4 never went into intrepid
[09:10] <\sh> should keurocalc for kde3 go and keurocalc-kde4 migrate to keurocalc with C/R on keurocalc-kde4{-data}?
[09:13] <Riddell> yes please \sh
[09:14] <Riddell> hi Beineri
[09:15] <Beineri> moin
[09:19] <Beineri> Riddell: alpha 5 also doesn't boot in virtualbox 2.0 for me
[09:20] <Riddell> davmor2: what's the status with virtualbox? ^^
[09:20] <davmor2> it probably doesn't :( I have no idea though cause I use real machine 2 ticks though and I can check
[09:21] <davmor2> Beineri: 32bit or 64bit?
[09:21] <Beineri> 32
[09:21] <davmor2> sorry vb 32bit
[09:21] <fabo> Riddell: yes, binary compatible/bugfix release. It contains some fixes sent by gnome people and another fix from a.winterz
[09:23] <\sh> Riddell: ok..will do
[09:23] <Beineri> http://developer.kde.org/~binner/kubuntu.png
[09:23] <\sh> Beineri ? You here ? :) Welcome :)
[09:23] <Beineri> \sh: mhm, was here also yesterday ;-)
[09:24] <davmor2> Riddell: Beineri: Seems to work at the speed of a dying gnat on alternate I'll try live now
[09:24] <Beineri> Mandriva and openSUSE run fine ;-)
[09:24] <\sh> Beineri: good to see that you are changing the coast ;) *eg*
[09:27] <davmor2> Riddell: live dies a death with a kernel trace that scrolls off the page
[09:35] <Beineri> \sh: do you know the diplomats in civilizations? :-)
[09:40] <Riddell> davmor3: bummer, time to poke soren I guess
[09:40] <seaLne> \sh: ooh i have plasma working on both heads now :)
[09:40] <davmor3> I'm just trying it in kvm
[09:41] <seaLne> kdm still dosen't get the background image right tho
[09:41] <davmor3> Riddell: seems to be working in KVM
[09:43] <Riddell> so Beineri is behind with his virtualisation technology :)
[09:44] <davmor3> one of them things I guess :)
[09:44] <davmor3>  brb
[09:44] <Riddell> well no, it should be fixed
[09:44] <Riddell> Beineri: are you able to report a bug with the details of what happens?
[09:44] <Beineri> no, don't see whole trace either
[09:47] <Riddell> davmor2: can you report a bug on the virtualbox issue?
[09:48] <davmor2> Yeah I'll have a look and see if I can't get the kernel trace to be copied somewhere.  It supprises me that there isn't already a bug about it though
[09:50] <Riddell> there may be
[09:54] <\sh> seaLne: how? :)
[09:54] <\sh> Beineri: hehe...sometimes I can be one of them ;)
[09:56] <seaLne> \sh: updated this morning and logged in and it is working *shrug* :)
[09:56] <\sh> seaLne: hmm../me needs to check that too :) later this day...hopefully
[09:58] <davmor2> Riddell: look at the known issues section here http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5
[10:00] <\sh> Riddell: will you approve the NEW package then for keurocalc?
[10:00] <\sh> ah no
[10:01] <\sh> keurocalc will be overwritten anyways
[10:03] <\sh> Riddell: do we need anything from motu-release?
[10:03] <\sh> for that package?
[10:07] <Riddell> \sh: fine with me, go ahead and upload
[10:07] <\sh> Riddell: thx
[10:20] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[10:21] <\sh> keurocalc for kde4 as replacement for keurocalc-kde4 and keurocalc for kde3 on its way
[10:44] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[10:44] <NCommander> hey Riddell
[10:45] <NCommander> Riddell: I'm fixing the Samba4 FTBFS :-)
[10:56] <NCommander> Riddell: so can I steal you for a upload in a little bit?
[11:12] <Riddell> NCommander: probably
[11:13] <NCommander> \o_ samba builds
[11:14] <Riddell> yay
[11:14] <NCommander> Need to upload it to my PPA
[11:14] <Riddell> are you using the fix from kdelibs?
[11:14] <NCommander> Riddell: a similar one, yes
[11:14] <NCommander> (using glibc headers over linux ones)
[11:16]  * NCommander kicks his internet connection
[11:16] <NCommander> dput is uploading at less than a 1kb per second
[11:17] <NCommander> Riddell: know of any other FTBFSes that need attention?
[11:17] <Riddell> isn't there a list?
[11:18] <NCommander> Riddell: I should have said pressing FTBFSes
[11:19] <Riddell> I wouldn't know without seeing the list :)
[11:19] <NCommander> Riddell: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/ - command me to fix :-)
[11:23] <Riddell> what's up with kdeutils on lpia?
[11:23] <Riddell> basket would be good to fixs
[11:23] <NCommander> Riddell: try retrying kdeutils on lpia, that looks like a transient failure
[11:24] <Riddell> what's up with libqt4-ruby?
[11:25] <NCommander> Riddell: libqt4-ruby is a delayed upload
[11:26] <Riddell> hmm, qlix broke, I'm sure I only uploaded that recently
[11:26] <NCommander> (sometimes the buildds fail to upload when they finish building, that one clears by itself)
[11:26] <Riddell> smb4k broken?
[11:27] <NCommander> samba4?
[11:27] <NCommander> I just fixed that, it needs an upload
[11:27] <NCommander> (its clean rule is somewhat broken)
[11:27] <NCommander> (I should properly fix that first)
[11:27] <Riddell> I don't think smb4k depends on samba4
[11:27] <Riddell> taskjuggler should work, needs ruby foo
[11:28]  * NCommander files a bug in debian about the broken samba4 rule
[11:28] <NCommander> Fixing it in Ubuntu is pointless, it will get clobbered on the next sync
[11:29] <NCommander> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - samba4 awaits your upload after it builds ;-)
[11:47]  * NCommander rolls the Debian patch to include the fixed clean rule
[11:48] <\sh> seaLne: can you send me your xorg.conf? this screen resolution tool from kde systemsettings doesn't work for me here ;)
[11:51] <seaLne> \sh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47115/
[11:53] <seaLne> \sh: that didn't work in hardy but started working in intrepid
[11:53] <\sh> seaLne: hmm..I'll try it :)
[11:56] <seaLne> \sh: ati or nvidia?
[11:58] <\sh> seaLne: ati
[11:58] <\sh> seaLne: but plasma on the second screen -> no :)
[11:59] <seaLne> but you had left yes, right no? whereas i had the othe way round weird
[11:59] <\sh> seaLne: yepp
[11:59] <\sh> ah no
[11:59] <\sh> left no, right yes
[12:00] <seaLne> ok that makes a bit more sense
[12:00] <\sh> ok.../me has a meeting
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> khangman(9418) KEduVocDocument::KEduVocDocument: constructor done
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> khangman(9418) KHangMan::setLanguages: Languages  ("es")
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> khangman(9418) KHangMan::setAccent: in slot accent
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> KCrash: Application 'khangman' crashing...
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> um
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> I don't even know how that happened
[12:58] <JontheEchidna> I pasted that in b.k.o
[12:58] <Beineri> davmor2: what virtualbox version do you have?
[12:59] <Beineri> !tell dirk: virtualbox 2.0.2 build still only works as root
[13:00] <davmor2> 1.5.6
[13:01] <Beineri> davmor2: seems to work with 2.0.2 here (had before 2.0.0 and 1.6.x)
[13:01] <Beineri> ubottu is more dumb than susehelp bot ;-)
[13:02] <Beineri> only that the notes plasmoid is placed half off the small screen :-)
[13:05] <Beineri> ubuntu needs boot options for screen size
[13:23] <stdin> Beineri: don't blame the bot because you don't know how to use it ;)
[13:25] <Beineri> actually I typed into the wrong tab :-)
[13:46] <apachelogger> NCommander: *cough* oxygen *cough*
[13:46]  * apachelogger waves to Beineri
[13:46]  * NCommander uses his chainsaw on apachelogger
[13:47]  * apachelogger runs
[13:47]  * jussi01 snatches apachelogger away from NCommander and says not to my ninja you dont, while brandishing a handgun :D
[13:47]  * NCommander tweaks apachelogger so he FTBFS on i386/amd64
[13:48]  * apachelogger hides in the bunker and starts work :P
[13:48] <NCommander> If my FTBFS powers can be used for good, they can also be used for evil :-)
[13:49] <NCommander> apachelogger: I'll install oxygen icons if you give them to me with the proper filenames and already properly resized
[13:50] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Speaking of FTBFS, do you have a samba4 fix?  I saw you mention it on -server.
[13:50] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: Its in my PPA
[13:50] <NCommander> THe clean rule is broken though so I need to respin it if you want a perfect debdiff
[13:51] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Yes, please.
[13:51] <apachelogger> NCommander: by proper file names you mean the current ones?
[13:51] <NCommander> apachelogger: yeah
[13:51]  * apachelogger thinks the icon should follow the icon naming spec so they can be easily replaced _without_ renaming :P
[13:52] <NCommander> The source is there
[13:52] <NCommander> Your welcome to fix it :-)
[13:52] <apachelogger> well
[13:52] <apachelogger> NCommander: I can't get it to run :S
[13:53]  * apachelogger wouldn't want to mess with it without seeing the results really
[13:54] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47141/
[13:54] <apachelogger> apparently register_sourcepackage() doesn't return anything :S
[13:55] <NCommander> Sounds like RainCT broke it more :-)
[13:55] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:55] <apachelogger> the initial setup is a PITA :P
[13:55] <NCommander> Yup
[13:55] <apachelogger> and the documentation is only slightly out of date ;-)
[13:55] <NCommander> For my changes, I updated the docs!
[13:56] <NCommander> ScottK: http://pastebin.ca/1203292
[13:57] <\sh> back
[13:57] <\sh> seaLne: and you have plasma on both screens?
[13:59] <apachelogger> what happens when you have to plasmas collide?
[13:59] <apachelogger> black hole?
[13:59]  * ScottK-laptop looks
[13:59] <seaLne> \sh: yeah one on each
[13:59] <NCommander> apachelogger: end of the world as we know it
[13:59] <apachelogger> hm
[13:59] <apachelogger> seaLne: don't ever switch to one screen!
[13:59]  * apachelogger kinda liked that world
[13:59] <\sh> seaLne: any strange config setting for plasma in some strange config file?
[14:00] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Maintainer change too.
[14:00] <NCommander> argh
[14:00] <NCommander> bah
[14:00] <NCommander> I'm used to seeing it in the changelog to remind me to do it
[14:00]  * apachelogger thinks he will have to start all over again with revu
[14:00] <seaLne> nope wasn't working last week updated this morning and it did with no changes by me
[14:00] <NCommander> ScottK: Sorry about that, I need to run in 20 minutes so I'm rushing
[14:02] <NCommander> ScottK http://pastebin.ca/index.php
[14:02] <NCommander> er
[14:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Link to an actual paste, please...
[14:02] <NCommander> http://pastebin.ca/1203297
[14:02] <NCommander> Sorry
[14:02] <NCommander> Yeah
[14:02] <NCommander> I realized that a moment too late
[14:02] <ScottK-laptop> No problem
[14:04] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Thanks.  Test bulding now.
[14:10] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: At some point why it built OK on Debian Experimental, but not Intrepid is probably worth looking into.
[14:10] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: Its because our glibc and linux headers have a disagreement on the defintion of flock
[14:10] <NCommander> I already filed bugs about it
[14:10] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Great.
[14:10] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks.
[14:12] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: its the same bug that was causing kdelibs to FTBFS on amd64
[14:13] <ScottK-laptop> Ah.  Lucky you.
[14:13] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: why am I lucky?
[14:14] <ScottK-laptop> Got to fix the effects of the same bug twice.  I'm guessing it made it easy to recognize.
[14:14] <NCommander> oh yeah
[14:14] <NCommander> FTBFS come in patterns
[14:15]  * NCommander needs quarters, lots and lots of quarters
[14:17] <NCommander> Oh, ScottK-laptop, while your here
[14:17] <NCommander> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - can you ack this for me
[14:18] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Did you ask siretart?
[14:18] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Ask him to review it and then I'll ack it if he's in favor.
[14:18] <NCommander> I didn't see him online
[14:20] <seaLne> has anyone seen konq4 have the wrong title for a tab? a closed tab title or one to the left or right
[14:20] <Beineri> me
[14:21] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Was there a guidance-power-manager update for 4.1.1?  We still have 4.1.0.
[14:21] <seaLne> Beineri: any idea what causes it?
[14:21] <Beineri> seaLne: a bug? ;-)
[14:21] <seaLne> surely its a feature :P
[14:22] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: there seems to be a tarball
[14:23] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu
[14:23] <apachelogger> r9
[14:23] <apachelogger> I guess just no one uploaded it yet
[14:24] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Did you get a chance to look at the guidance-power-manager patch yesterday?
[14:24]  * Beineri only knows that you don't have to reorder tabs as I don't ever do that
[14:25] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: sorry, no, where was it, I'll install it and test it later
[14:26] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Bug 269483
[14:27] <apachelogger> NCommander: can I port revu to rails? :P
[14:28] <Beineri> seaLne: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170470
[14:28]  * NCommander watches his brain melt
[14:29] <NCommander> damn it apachelogger, there goes my FTBFS foo
[14:29]  * rgreening scoops up remains... mmmm brains
[14:29] <seaLne> Beineri: ta
[14:29]  * apachelogger slowly moves backwards towards the channel door
[14:29] <NCommander> At least I'm recyclable
[14:29] <NCommander> Go garbage collection go
[14:30] <rgreening> :P
[14:30]  * apachelogger better leaves before the channel starts hunting him
[14:31] <apachelogger> ♻ NCommander
[14:31]  * apachelogger thinks dejavu got a serious problems with symbols
[14:31] <NCommander> apachelogger: what's with you an unicode O_O;
[14:31]  * NCommander saw the symbol
[14:32] <apachelogger> maybe quassel got a problem with them
[14:32] <apachelogger> ♥ quassel
[14:32] <apachelogger> :P
[14:32]  * rgreening is beginning to hate scim/skim/...
[14:32] <apachelogger> rgreening: is it broken again?
[14:32]  * rgreening shouts "why won't it die?
[14:32] <rgreening> hahah
[14:33] <rgreening> I'm working on adding in a patch Riddell pointed me to
[14:33] <rgreening> And the bloody thing spawns a ton of scim-panel-gtk processes
[14:33] <rgreening> and killing the aplet respawns it. HA
[14:34] <apachelogger> sounds like fun
[14:34] <rgreening> It's like a 'willnot' cause it will not go away
[14:34] <NCommander> rgreening: soon it will achieve sentience and cause a segfault in the process
[14:34] <rgreening> I believe it's how SkyNet gets it's start. Better get Sarah Connors
[14:35]  * rgreening queues the spooky music
[14:35] <NCommander> The best however was when I caused a panic within panic()
[14:35] <NCommander> Infinite panics
[14:35] <rgreening> lol
[14:35] <apachelogger> NCommander: oh, btw, revu seriously needs some coding style
[14:35] <apachelogger> or at least a script to clean it up every once in a while
[14:36] <rgreening> I once wrote an autistic piece of assemply code.
[14:36] <NCommander> apachelogger: I didn't write it
[14:36] <apachelogger> just saying
[14:36] <rgreening> It wouldn't listen and kept spitting out numbers
[14:37] <rgreening> I also wrote one to eat memory in the system and thow it away. THe net result was that the guy using the terminal couldn't play netrek while I ran it. :) Freed up the terminal for me.
[14:40] <rgreening> scim is def buggy at this point. scim-panel-gtk gets launched and seems to hold up other systray applets from loading. When I finally killed it, then they loaded.
[14:40] <rgreening> ok, time ot patch
[14:43] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it
[14:43] <apachelogger> hm
[14:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: how do I nuke the database's content?
[14:44] <NCommander> apachelogger: drop database *database*;
[14:44] <NCommander> don't do that on production ;-)
[14:44] <apachelogger> :P
[14:45] <apachelogger> hm
[14:45] <apachelogger> you know, switching between tab and space idention in one source file is a pretty awkward to say the least
[14:47] <NCommander> apachelogger: are you an MOTU?
[14:48] <apachelogger> NCommander: Last I checked... yes :P
[14:48] <NCommander> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/270200 - upload please ;-)
[14:49] <apachelogger> ERROR:  database "revubase" is being accessed by other users
[14:49] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:49] <apachelogger> god, I hate it
[14:50] <apachelogger> NCommander: tell the debian maintainer to introduce line breaks after 80 characters, that diff line is mind warping
[14:50]  * NCommander warps apachelogger's mind to compinsate
[14:51] <NCommander> apachelogger: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental - second favor, approve me please :-)
[14:52] <apachelogger> huh?
[14:52] <apachelogger> why? :P
[14:52] <NCommander> I'm going to try that libqt merge
[14:53] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm smoketesting again and Kubuntu just failed due to smartpm-core and update-motd not being installable for landscape-client.  Have a word with cjwatson I thought it had been removed to get round this?
[14:53] <davmor2> brb
[14:54] <NCommander> I've got to run for about 20 minutes apachelogger, so if you have any uploading issues, please leave for me, and I'll respond as soon as I am able ;-)
[14:55] <apachelogger> roger roger
[14:55] <apachelogger> NCommander: libqt merge is in progress already
[14:55] <apachelogger> if you mean the merge I mean :P
[15:02] <rgreening> Riddell: around?
[15:07] <NCommander> apachelogger: oh
[15:09]  * apachelogger pokes NCommander with 	r = c.query("SELECT usid FROM gpgkeys WHERE fingerprint='%s'" % fingerprint)
[15:09] <apachelogger> there is absolutely no script which actually moves the keys to the DB
[15:09] <apachelogger> that would explain the error I guess
[15:10] <NCommander> apachelogger: take a look at launchpad_login.py
[15:11] <apachelogger> sick
[15:11] <NCommander> apachelogger: what?
[15:12] <apachelogger> sick code
[15:12] <NCommander> sick as in good or bad?
[15:14] <apachelogger> NCommander: bad
[15:14] <apachelogger> to much cluttering
[15:14] <NCommander> apachelogger: why?
[15:14] <NCommander> cluttering?
[15:14] <apachelogger> yus
[15:14] <apachelogger> this wouldn't have happened with rails :P
[15:18] <apachelogger> NCommander: oh, it works, thank you
[15:20]  * NCommander hits apachelogger
[15:20]  * apachelogger starts crying
[15:21]  * Hobbsee thumps NCommander repeatedly
[15:21]  * Hobbsee raises the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[15:22]  * NCommander eats Hobbsee with a side of fava beans
[15:22]  * Hobbsee is not so tasty.
[15:22]  * Hobbsee is rather bony.
[15:24] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot109.png
[15:25] <rgreening> apachelogger... can you help me with something? got any experience with dpatch? The scim module uses it and I can't seem to add my patch to the package because of it.
[15:26]  * apachelogger usually converts dpatch to quilt :P
[15:26] <Hobbsee> rgreening: did you add the patch name to 00list?
[15:26] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: ew.
[15:26] <rgreening> yep
[15:26] <apachelogger> rgreening: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Dpatch
[15:26] <NCommander> Hobbsee: I've never seen what you looked like so how should I know?
[15:27] <Hobbsee> NCommander: surely you should have researched that before attempting to eat me.
[15:27] <NCommander> Hobbsee: minor detail
[15:27] <rgreening> I did all that with dpatch. I think the file looks correct.
[15:28] <rgreening> I manually tested the patch to see if it applied before adding the dpatch stuff, and it did. No other patches conflict with that file.
[15:28] <rgreening> weird
[15:29] <rgreening> applying patch 50_check_scim_binary to ./ ... failed.
[15:29] <rgreening> make: *** [patch-stamp] Error 1
[15:32] <rgreening> any other suggestion on how to make this dpatch apply?
[15:33] <rgreening> could this be an issue: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but there is no XSBC-Original-Maintainer field
[15:45] <rgreening> I really hate dpatch
[15:45] <apachelogger> +1
[15:45] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:45] <rgreening> garbage
[15:45] <rgreening> help?
[15:45] <rgreening> :)
[15:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: did you build the patch on the existing patch stack?
[15:46] <apachelogger> otherwise I would assume it really is just that an earlier patch alters some file which is also touched by yours and thus make your patch unappliable
[15:46] <rgreening> I took an existing patch jr provided. I applied it manually to verify it. This I built a proper diff from it. dpatch needed some stuff added to the top. did that and alled it to 00list.
[15:47] <rgreening> I looked at the others.... The mod Makefiles....
[15:47] <rgreening> not the .c file I alter
[15:47] <rgreening> let me check again
[15:48] <rgreening> nope. all makefile changes only
[15:49] <rgreening> if i run dpatch apply-all manually they all apply
[15:49] <rgreening> hmmm....
[15:50] <rgreening> ok, this is bizarre. Running debuild after running dpatch apply-all allows the system to build. I'll try debuild -S after again.
[15:50] <rgreening> WONKY!
[15:50] <rgreening> someone kill dpatch
[15:51] <rgreening> please.. hahah
[15:57] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:58]  * apachelogger really thinks revu should be rewritten using rails :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> NCommander: when I try getting to the details page it opens the god damn url in an editor -.-
[15:59] <NCommander> lol
[15:59] <rgreening> do you have to run debuild (strictly) begore running debuild -S? Cause it seems that I needed to do that with the scim package and dpatch.
[15:59] <apachelogger> oh
[15:59] <apachelogger> NCommander: minor path issue
[15:59] <apachelogger> "minor" as in the god damn database stores absolute paths
[16:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: you shouldn't
[16:03] <rgreening> bizarre
[16:04]  * NCommander listens to the sound of apachelggers swears
[16:04] <NCommander> Sweet sweet music
[16:07] <rgreening> lol
[16:28] <seele> is it too late to add powerdevil to system settings for intrepid?
[16:33]  * rgreening weeps silently
[16:34] <rgreening> heya seele
[16:37] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot110.png
[16:38] <apachelogger> I think I don't like the bulb
[16:40] <annma> hello people
[16:40] <annma> I have a user which has a 4.1.1 KHangMan package and there's no data files
[16:40] <annma> who would check where those files are please?
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> annma: you're talking about my bug report then?
[16:41] <apachelogger> annma: hey, is khangman edu or games?
[16:41] <annma> JontheEchidna: ohhh
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: edu
[16:42] <annma> Edu
[16:42] <annma> JontheEchidna: YES
[16:42] <apachelogger> then I am downloading the wrong package :P
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> the packaging is missing files?
[16:42] <annma> if I knew you were there it would have been quicker
[16:42] <annma> JontheEchidna: yes, the data files
[16:42] <apachelogger> usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/apps/khangman/
[16:42] <apachelogger> but according to the packaging they should all be installed
[16:43] <annma> apachelogger: the files are hard.kvtml, easy.kvtml for ex
[16:43] <annma> where can I see that?
[16:43] <apachelogger> ah
[16:44] <annma> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169079
[16:44] <annma> there are no data files
[16:44] <apachelogger> yes
[16:44] <apachelogger> they are in the l10n package
[16:44] <annma> for English???
[16:44] <annma> no!
[16:44] <apachelogger> ok
[16:44]  * apachelogger needs to find a deb
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> yeah, english isn't in any l10n package
[16:46] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47169/
[16:46] <annma> and the code defaults to English files
[16:46] <apachelogger> not in the package iether
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'll fix this in kdeedu then merge from Debian, unless they've already fixed it in which case I'll just merge
[16:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the files would have appeared in the list-missing
[16:46] <annma> JontheEchidna: you are a KUbuntu devel???
[16:47] <annma> really
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> annma: yeah
[16:47] <apachelogger> annma: lower case u :)
[16:47] <annma> -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/hard.kvtml
[16:47] <annma> -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/easy.kvtml
[16:47] <annma> -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/animals.kvtml
[16:47] <annma> -- Up-to-date: /usr/local/kde4/share/apps/kvtml/en/medium.kvtml
[16:47] <annma> that's the files
[16:47] <annma> JontheEchidna: there was no need to do a bug report
[16:47] <annma> we wasted time
[16:47] <annma> after several hours I came here...
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> sorry :(
[16:47] <annma> I wasted time, I mean
[16:49] <annma> and you don't know ME JontheEchidna?
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> uh
[16:49] <annma> next time please grab me from IRC
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> ok, will do
[16:49] <apachelogger> 	cp -a debian/tmp//usr/share/kde4/apps/kvtml/ debian/kanagram//usr/share/kde4/apps/
[16:49] <annma> I am KDE-Edu coordinator by the way
[16:49] <annma> what is the user has no KAnagram install?
[16:49] <apachelogger> annma: are these files shared among kanagram and khangman?
[16:49] <annma> sort of
[16:49] <apachelogger> ok
[16:49] <annma> they CAN be shared
[16:50] <annma> but we kept each data with each app
[16:50] <annma> ^^
[16:50] <knome> did you know... kana means chicken in finnish
[16:50] <ldp> :|
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: so maybe a kdeedu-common file is needed?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> s/file/package
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need a -data package or -common-data if debian didn't introduce one meanwhile, then move the kvtml files to that package and make kanagram and khangman depend on binary:Version
[16:51] <apachelogger> or maybe source:Version
[16:51]  * apachelogger starts thinking
[16:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: source
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> k
[16:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and poke the debian maintainer with our changes ;-)
[16:52] <apachelogger> annma: thank you for stopping by :)
[16:52] <JontheEchidna> annma: sorry once again :)
[16:53] <annma> well
[16:53] <annma> I'm closing the report as invalid
[16:54] <annma> I'll add a return; when there's no data
[16:54] <annma> there should never be such a case really
[16:55] <annma> for KDE 4.3 maybe we'll put data in a subdir
[16:55] <annma> I'll ask distros about how they prefer things done
[16:56] <annma> next time for all Edu probs/questions: I am the person to talk to or pinotree as fallback
[16:56] <knome> we should cooperate more anyway
[16:56] <james_w> hello lovely kubuntu people, kwave looks like it could do with some love
[16:56] <james_w> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495758
[16:56] <apachelogger> pinotree is the guy for everyone :)
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> annma: where do you usually hang out?
[16:56] <annma> apachelogger: exactly! a king
[16:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: #kdeedu
[16:56] <knome> JontheEchidna, on hangman
[16:56] <knome> ;)
[16:57] <annma> JontheEchidna: all kde channels: #kde #kde-devel #kde-edu
[16:57] <annma> #plasma
[16:57] <annma> lol knome
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[16:58] <annma> annma at kde dot org as mail
[16:58] <annma> as you see I am keen to help
[16:58] <annma> as you saw witht he report (was it a test?)
[16:58] <knome> isn't there any list that somebody updates of all the contact personnel?!
[16:58] <knome> that'd be ++
[16:58] <annma> on techbase.kde.org
[16:58] <apachelogger> james_w: we are a bit short on staff, I'll put it on the todo
[16:58] <annma> there's the list of module maintainers knome
[16:59] <knome> annma, but not of the promo/etc/leading geeks?
[16:59] <annma> which are the persons to contact for build probleù
[16:59] <annma> what do you need them for?
[16:59] <james_w> apachelogger: thanks. A sync may be reasonable, but apparently there is no kde4 version, and I don't know how you want to handle that
[16:59] <annma> leading geeks are on core-devel mailing list of course
[16:59] <knome> well for nothing, but there might be a case when you need somebody and there's actually no problem..
[16:59] <annma> there are never any problem, we have mailing lists
[16:59] <knome> o.O
[17:00] <knome> i haven't been around for long yet, but this complete thing feels quite unorganized
[17:00] <annma> we have 1 person for build problem per module and to ensure that apps are maintained and such
[17:00] <annma> knome: yes
[17:00] <annma> it is
[17:00] <rgreening> Riddell: The patch doesn't 100% solve the delays. I have, however, located the source of the delat. It's actually in the call to scim_launch in the agent. There is an intentional delay loop which is wrong. I'm writing a patch now.
[17:00] <apachelogger> james_w: if it builds and works, we usually care as much about it as if it was a KDE 4 app ;-)
[17:00] <knome> annma, well yes, but there's a lot outside the build and development
[17:00] <annma> this is Free Software, not an enterprize
[17:00] <james_w> apachelogger: not at all? :-p
[17:00] <annma> knome: of course
[17:01] <annma> but for your needs as Kubuntu people
[17:01] <annma> I can enumerate everything fo ryou of course knome
[17:01] <knome> just wondering
[17:01] <apachelogger> knome: KDE only seems unorganized, because no one documents ;-)
[17:01] <annma> basically it's the bazaar
[17:01] <apachelogger> though, in case of kde-www it is really unorganized
[17:01] <knome> yes!
[17:02] <annma> we document
[17:02] <apachelogger> james_w: exaclty :P
[17:02] <annma> see techbase.kde.org
[17:02] <annma> see userbase.kde.org
[17:02] <annma> in the bazaar things are done
[17:02] <annma> usually you communicate more by mailing lists than specific person
[17:02] <annma> for promo, and such
[17:03] <knome> i doubt there is a promo list for kubuntu.
[17:03] <annma> that's not KDE
[17:03] <knome> at least apachelogger hasn't pointed me to one
[17:03] <annma> a promo list for kubuntu?
[17:03] <annma> what do yo mean?
[17:03] <knome> well, www, graphic, general promo stuff
[17:04] <annma> for kubuntu?
[17:04] <knome> yes?
[17:04] <annma> create one
[17:04] <annma> I am talking about KDE myself, not being in Kubuntu
[17:04] <knome> sure
[17:04] <annma> with lower u
[17:04] <knome> ha
[17:04] <annma> OK I have to go cook dinner
[17:04] <knome> ok
[17:04] <apachelogger> annma: we are 2nd class citizen ... creating a list sounds easier than it is ;-)
[17:04] <knome> have a good meal
[17:05] <knome> lol
[17:05] <apachelogger> knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot112.png
[17:05] <apachelogger> last item's icon
[17:06] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot111.png
[17:06] <knome> yus?
[17:06] <apachelogger> replace it with the screwdriver one of the tools or the underconstruction thingy
[17:06] <knome> kdegames?
[17:06] <apachelogger> yes
[17:06]  * JontheEchidna votes for underconstruction
[17:06] <knome> apachelogger, how will i change that? :P
[17:07] <apachelogger> I do
[17:07] <knome> ok
[17:07]  * apachelogger needs opinions
[17:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that might very well be too yellowish
[17:07] <apachelogger> best use of space though
[17:07] <knome> underconstruction i'd say as well
[17:07]  * apachelogger tries
[17:07] <knome> even the hammer is too small, screwdriver would be even smaller
[17:07] <knome> == bad
[17:07] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Samba4 uploaded.  Thank you.
[17:09] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot113.png
[17:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: knome:
[17:09] <knome> definitely.
[17:09] <knome> the icon for kdegraphics isn't so good.
[17:09] <apachelogger> I know
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> that's still the old lightbulb
[17:10] <apachelogger> orly?
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> I think...
[17:10]  * apachelogger thinks the oxygen one is even worse because it is brighter :P
[17:11] <apachelogger> hm
[17:11] <apachelogger> actually ... that is the oxygen one
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> oh
[17:11] <apachelogger> the bulb is pointless anyway
[17:11] <apachelogger> how do I relate a bulb to the status "advocated"
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> I think the current revu magnifying glass looks too crystal svg
[17:13] <knome> apachelogger, maybe a sheet of paper?
[17:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it is crystal svg :P
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> ha
[17:14] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot114.png
[17:14] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot115.png
[17:14] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot116.png
[17:14] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot117.png
[17:14] <apachelogger> opinions
[17:15] <knome> so is that like "approved" or "ready" ?
[17:15] <apachelogger> no, the one above is approved
[17:15] <knome> what is that then
[17:15] <apachelogger> semi-approved
[17:15] <knome> hmmh.
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kdeedu bug also affects latest debian
[17:16] <apachelogger> you need to advocations in order to get the package accepted
[17:16] <knome> apachelogger, i'd suggest a sheet of paper.
[17:16]  * JontheEchidna will notify them
[17:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: first make the diff :P
[17:16] <apachelogger> or make the diff in a collaborative way
[17:16] <apachelogger> gobby-like ;-)
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> should I merge first?
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> then base the diff off the new ubuntu package
[17:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: first talk with them, if they do the fix right away you could merge the change in
[17:17]  * JontheEchidna hops on to irc.debian.org
[17:17] <apachelogger> knome: the idea of the icon is to rais attention to this upload
[17:17] <apachelogger> a sheet of paper might not be too useful
[17:18] <knome> apachelogger, well a sheet of paper with bright spot on it?
[17:18] <knome> or !
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I'd go with either the green checkmark or yellow star
[17:18] <knome> or just red dot
[17:18] <apachelogger> red causes bad association
[17:18] <apachelogger> especially a dot
[17:18] <apachelogger> that is like - this package is on halt or something
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> this package will crap things up! ohnoes
[17:19] <knome> bah
[17:19] <knome> it catches yer attention
[17:19] <knome> and people get used to anything
[17:20] <knome> i associate checkmark or a star with something already done
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: dood, they already know about it. how scary is that?
[17:20] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot118.png
[17:20] <knome> a yellow flag maybe?
[17:20] <knome> a green flag is also like it's done..
[17:21] <knome> though that icon is not so good anyway :P
[17:21] <apachelogger> well it is almost done :P
[17:21] <knome> still.
[17:21] <apachelogger> yellow flag got too little contrast
[17:21] <knome> can't you change the bg color of the row?
[17:22] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot119.png
[17:22] <knome> tottally irrelevant :P
[17:23] <apachelogger> we could use the KDE logo :P
[17:23] <knome> how would that relate
[17:24] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot120.png
[17:24] <apachelogger> the one at kdegames! :D
[17:24] <apachelogger> too cute
[17:24] <knome> hmm..
[17:24] <knome> just a yellow spot, yes
[17:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:24] <apachelogger> your screen suxx0rs
[17:25] <knome> add a kubuntu gear
[17:25] <knome> nah, i can see what it is
[17:25] <knome> but if i look it just quickly
[17:25] <knome> it looks like yellow spot
[17:25] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot121.png
[17:25] <knome> uhhh
[17:26] <apachelogger> we shuld use emotes to reflect the package status :P
[17:26] <knome> why not change kdebase-ws -> green checkmark and kdegraphics to heart?
[17:26] <apachelogger> ok
[17:26] <apachelogger> that would result in people killing me
[17:26] <knome> :D
[17:26] <apachelogger> revu always used a heart for 2 acks
[17:27] <knome> well that's better than infinite torture
[17:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: halp!
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> halp with wut?
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> snapshot121 makes it look like the package is broken or something, red isnt' a good idea imo
[17:33] <knome> wuut?
[17:34]  * knome pushes Tm_T:s nipple
[17:34] <knome> *beep*
[17:34] <knome> nice one
[17:35] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, knome: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot125.png
[17:35] <knome> apachelogger, yes
[17:36] <knome> that definitely is it
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: +1
[17:37] <knome> even if you get killed ;)
[17:40] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot126.png
[17:40] <knome> what has changed?
[17:41] <knome> aha, colors
[17:41] <knome> yes
[17:41] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot127.png
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: second one I think
[17:41] <smarter> hey
[17:42] <smarter> apachelogger: 127 looks like windows xp sp2 icons :/
[17:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should I change that at all?
[17:44] <apachelogger> knome: get rainct in here again :P
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> I think I'd make it a bit darker and less cyan
[17:44] <smarter> apachelogger: http://www.cases.public.lu/fr/pratique/solutions/patch_systeme/wxp2/pictures/wu2.gif
[17:44] <apachelogger> smarter: so they are bad icons because they look like windows'?
[17:44] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[17:44] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:44]  * smarter quickly hides :P
[17:45] <apachelogger> smarter: is guidance-power-manager ready for upload? if so, get an FFe
[17:45] <apachelogger> smarter: what is the status of kepas?
[17:46] <smarter> I'm making FFe for gpm and kepas, then I'll post that motu application
[17:47] <smarter> well, they look *exactly* like these xp icons, and imho they're not really good icons, but oh well
[17:49] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger and smarter: I'd have thought gpm 4.1.1 fell under the existing KDE exception for 4.1.1?
[17:49]  * smarter doesn't know if we have an FFe for extragear
[17:49] <smarter> Oh fsck, KMail apparently decided during the night that my last 3 months of mails and mail config were no longer relevant and deleted them :/
[17:51] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: If it were KDE3 kmail, I'd suggest reindexing because they're probably still there.  No idea aobut kde4.
[17:51] <smarter> it's kde4, how do I trigger the reindexing?
[17:51] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: true
[17:51] <smarter> it also deleted the groups I created during the last months
[17:53] <ScottK-laptop> Dunno.  In KDE3 you deleted the index and restarted Kmail.
[17:54]  * smarter tries
[17:55] <claydoh> smarter: right-click on a folder and look for the reindex option
[17:55] <smarter> apparently it just changed the date of half my email to 2108 :/
[17:56] <smarter> 2106 actually
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> lol
[17:56] <knome> apachelogger, lol ok
[17:58] <rgreening> Riddell: scim patch you suggested is broken for deb as the use of popen forks 'sh' but attempting to run scim via sh fails.
[18:00] <knome> apachelogger, k i privmsg'd him
[18:07]  * rgreening smashes head against brick wall.
[18:08]  * knome offers rgreening a steel plate
[18:08] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot128.png
[18:09] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: what do you think about that ^
[18:10] <knome> apachelogger, the colors were better in 127 and the magnifying glass icon needs thinking
[18:10] <apachelogger> uh, nothing about my magnifying!
[18:10] <apachelogger> that is the most awesome icon ever
[18:10] <rgreening> Had one installed. Broke it. Got a titanium one, broke that too.
[18:10] <rgreening> scim is really annoying me
[18:10] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png
[18:11] <apachelogger> rgreening: it really got 50 patches?
[18:11] <knome> apachelogger, +1; what about the odd/even row coloring?
[18:11] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: I think Yellow after one advocation is counterintuitive.
[18:11] <rgreening> ?? 50 patches?
[18:11] <knome> apachelogger, the darker one could have a subtle hint of blue and be a bit lighter
[18:11] <ScottK-laptop> Moving from a neutral color to yellow makes me think it got worse, not better.
[18:12] <knome> well it raises attention..
[18:12] <ScottK-laptop> Wrong kind though.
[18:12] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: suggestions for a different color?
[18:13] <knome> apachelogger, blue?
[18:13] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: How about Green.  I think the difference between one advocation and two is well represented by the icon differences.
[18:13] <knome> that would be kind of neutral color
[18:13] <apachelogger> nah, that would be weird IMO
[18:13] <rgreening> apachelogger: no, they are numbered 01, 10, 20, 30, 40 and mine 50... and it's garbage
[18:13] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: hm, maybe a lighter green
[18:13] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe.
[18:13] <rgreening> popen function blows in the patch
[18:14] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: And then if you do that, I'd switch the red ones to yellow.  I'd expect red for a "Dear lord let us never have this in the archive" type of status.
[18:19] <knome> apachelogger, PING
[18:19] <RainCT> apachelogger: I heard you are shy :). What's up?
[18:20] <apachelogger> RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot129.png
[18:20] <apachelogger> hm, my light bulb just died -.-
[18:21] <Tm_T> you killed it?
[18:21]  * apachelogger turns on the laptop to see better what he is drawing :P
[18:21] <jjesse> does that mean you are out of ideas?
[18:22] <RainCT> apachelogger: the "!" icon is confusing :P
[18:23] <RainCT> but the others look good :)
[18:24] <apachelogger> RainCT: I'll make the ! yellowish green, and the red X yellow
[18:24]  * apachelogger hates to work in the dark -.-
[18:24] <apachelogger> RainCT: btw, the README needs a make over
[18:24] <RainCT> btw, have you changed the background color of the table headers or is that Konqueror being mad? :P
[18:26] <apachelogger> RainCT: I did change it
[18:26] <apachelogger> RainCT: what do you think?
[18:28] <RainCT> apachelogger: Good that blue is better :). I just wanted to be sure that it isn't a bug in Konqueror; you know, KDE applications..
[18:28]  * RainCT runs
[18:28]  * apachelogger throws an inkscape rendering bug after RainCT
[18:30] <apachelogger> RainCT, ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot131.png
[18:32] <RainCT> that's better :)
[18:33] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Better.  Can we have more green and less yellow in advocated.  Better, but still yellowish.
[18:36] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I can try, but first I have to google a new light bulb ;-)
[18:36] <ScottK-laptop> OK
[18:41] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png
[18:42]  * ScottK-laptop is good with that.
[18:43] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:43] <apachelogger> RainCT, knome, JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot132.png
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> looks good
[18:44] <knome> +1!
[18:44] <knome> that's great
[18:47] <RainCT> awesome, +1
[18:47] <knome> apachelogger, will there be any more icons?
[18:47] <apachelogger> knome: no
[18:47] <apachelogger> unless RainCT wants to add some :P
[18:48] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Any word on kde4binding?
[18:48] <knome> maybe then change the magnify-icon after all? *hides*
[18:48] <knome> it looks a bit off-its-place
[18:49] <knome> imo
[18:50] <RainCT> apachelogger: Well, the "Comments (#Advocates)" label should be replaced with something that takes up less space, one proposal was to use two icons there.. Any idea?
[18:51] <apachelogger> RainCT: icons instead of the label?
[18:51]  * apachelogger thinks that wouldn't look very good considering the other rows use text only
[18:52] <knome> maybe Com (#Adv)
[18:54] <apachelogger> RainCT: I guess we could use mail-icon (plus-icon)
[18:55] <apachelogger> but icons without text are not very understandible in most cases
[18:56] <RainCT> yea perhaps "Com (#Adv)" as knome suggests would be better.. (with a tooltip with the complete text, of course)
[18:57] <knome> <abbr title="Comments">Com</abbr> (<abbr title="Number of advocates">#Adv</abbr>)
[18:57] <apachelogger> RainCT: we could use icons for the icons I think
[18:58] <apachelogger> *icons for the actions
[18:58] <devfil_> apachelogger: what you can say me about raptor menu in kubuntu?
[18:59] <RainCT> nah the actions are not the problem
[19:00] <apachelogger> devfil_: there is no raptor code, so there is no raptor menu
[19:00] <apachelogger> devfil_: if it finishes before jaunty, we are planing to consider it as an option though
[19:00] <devfil_> apachelogger: good, seems to be quite promising
[19:00] <apachelogger> RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot133.png
[19:03] <RainCT> why does abbr write everything uppercase? that's evil :P
[19:06] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:06] <apachelogger> knome: why does it do that?
[19:06] <knome> what?
[19:07] <apachelogger> knome: see screenshot
[19:07] <knome> apachelogger, because the css style
[19:07]  * RainCT thinks: not as evil as Mozilla, but still evil :D
[19:07] <apachelogger> omg
[19:07] <apachelogger> RainCT: I think you should add an EULA :P
[19:08] <rgreening> EULA - Die! Die! Die!
[19:08]  * ScottK-laptop wonders if this might be a good time to mention that if you want a distro that doesn't have a EULA requiring default browser, Kubuntu is avialble.
[19:10] <apachelogger> RainCT: actions: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot134.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot135.png
[19:12]  * RainCT doesn't know what the icons are supposed to mean (they look nice, though) :P
[19:12] <rgreening> lol...
[19:13] <rgreening> Konq is great. It's Web Devs who write crappy Browser Only checks that ruin the world
[19:15] <apachelogger> RainCT: maybe color support can help ;-)
[19:15] <apachelogger> green + -> archive || green arrow up -> unarchive || red x -> nuke
[19:15] <apachelogger> or we could use a nuke for nuke ;-)
[19:16] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot136.png
[19:16] <apachelogger> the last one looks weird, doesn't it?
[19:17] <goatsocks> ScottK-laptop: i believe you just nailed the Kubuntu motto... "Kubuntu: Ubuntu for Non-Lawyers"
[19:22] <rgreening> Kubuntu: Mozilla Free
[19:22]  * rgreening ducks
[19:22] <ScottK-laptop> That is a feature and not a bug.
[19:23] <rgreening> lol
[19:23] <rgreening> I wish it was scim free too after todays headaches
[19:23] <rgreening> :)
[19:26] <knome> apachelogger, can you suggest any headsets for use with ubuntu?
[19:26] <knome> apachelogger, ~cheap
[19:26] <apachelogger> not really
[19:26] <knome> :<
[19:26] <knome> you know any compatibility list?
[19:26] <knome> with linux eg.
[19:28]  * smarter uses an USB microsoft LifeChat LX-3000, works quiet well
[19:29] <rgreening> I have a nadcatz one... usb
[19:29] <knome> smarter, with which distro?
[19:29] <rgreening> MadCatz
[19:29] <knome> smarter, any problems settings up?
[19:30] <rgreening> I haven't used in a while, IRC tho, I have to muck with the asound.conf for also to set it up.
[19:30] <rgreening> That was under Gutsy
[19:31] <smarter> knome: Kubuntu 8.04/8.10, works out of the box
[19:32] <smarter> (iirc)
[19:32] <smarter> but I haven't tested the microphone yet
[19:32] <apachelogger> oh
[19:32] <apachelogger> connection gone
[19:32] <knome> d'oh
[19:33] <apachelogger> RainCT: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot137.png comment icons || http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot139.png improved actions
[19:33] <knome> that's the most important part :P
[19:33] <knome> smarter, would you like to test it?
[19:33] <smarter> knome: not right now, doing homework
[19:33] <knome> bah
[19:34] <smarter> german homework even :]
[19:34] <apachelogger> knome, RainCT: that capital abbr is a khtml bug
[19:34] <apachelogger> webkit works
[19:35] <knome> apachelogger, hmm
[19:35] <knome> apachelogger, moment
[19:37] <knome> apachelogger, abbr { text-transform: none; }
[19:37] <knome> on css
[19:38] <apachelogger> knome: not worko
[19:38]  * apachelogger needs to feed
[19:40] <RainCT> apachelogger: make the nuke icon red or something
[19:40] <knome> apachelogger, body abbr
[19:43] <jtechidna> apachelogger: uhm, crap: bug 270531
[19:44] <apachelogger> RainCT: k
[19:44] <apachelogger> knome: not worky
[19:44] <knome> apachelogger, html body abbr
[19:44] <knome> :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> jtechidna: expected behaviour
[19:44] <apachelogger> one needs to reset the theme if qt3 was used before
[19:45] <jtechidna> they say it's also not in systemsettings anymore
[19:45] <apachelogger> knome: nono
[19:45] <apachelogger> jtechidna: well, yes, only KDE 4
[19:45] <apachelogger> gotta live with that
[19:46] <knome> apachelogger, ok khtml is borked
[19:46] <apachelogger> hm
[19:46] <jtechidna> so, how do they fix their gtk theming for kde3?
[19:46] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:46] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[19:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: make it install to /usr
[19:46] <apachelogger> though
[19:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it needs some magic
[19:47] <apachelogger> the kcm needs to go to usr/lib/kde4 the actual lib to /usr
[19:47] <apachelogger> might be also worky if the kcm is in /usr
[19:47] <apachelogger> wouldn't bet on that though
[19:54] <Nightrose> seele: this weekend I found out that it is not just us having the "save as -> white pages" problem in okular  (tested with another KDE dev)
[19:54] <Nightrose> and appereantly it is because poppler is too old
[19:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: do you know if there is a newer version in intrepid?
[19:56] <Nightrose> seaLne: about "move/copy to" in dolphin - we discussed it at the meeting and the result was that people want to know from upstream why it is not enabled by default - do you have time to ask Peter Penz?
[19:57] <seele> Nightrose: hum.. that sucks.  i've been printing to PDF to get over the problem, but its annoying
[19:58] <Nightrose> jep me too
[19:58] <Nightrose> or anyone else here on intrepid who could test something for us?
[19:58] <Nightrose> seele: anyway - should be fixed with newer poppler - i hope apachelogger knows if it is already fixed in intrepid
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> Intrepid has 0.8.7
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> of poppler
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> which is the latest stable release
[20:01] <Nightrose> ok great
[20:01] <Nightrose> let's hope it is fixed with that
[20:02] <rgreening> apachelogger: If I get the scim issue fixed, are you able to upload or someone else (I believe Riddell is still away).
[20:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: copy/move cluttered my menu
[20:06] <apachelogger> rgreening: ScottK, nixternal, Hobbsee can
[20:06] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i think it is worth it
[20:06] <rgreening> k. cool. I think I got it this time. Junked the original patch. Wrote my own.
[20:07] <rgreening> :)
[20:07] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nothing is worse cluttered menus :P
[20:07] <Nightrose> imho it is not cluttered
[20:07] <rgreening> debuild now... let's see if it works :)
[20:08] <Nightrose> and a certain someone was _very_ happy when I showed him how to get copy/move back ;-)
[20:08] <Nightrose> he missed it from KDE 3
[20:08]  * apachelogger demands a case study on the target audience
[20:09] <rgreening> WOOT! Fixed scim delays
[20:10] <rgreening> debdiff comng shortly. Any volunteer to upload it?
[20:10] <ScottK-laptop> How obscure is it?
[20:10] <rgreening> a couple of lines
[20:10] <rgreening> 1 sec... I'll pastebit it
[20:11]  * claydoh wants his move/copy back too. it doesn't clutter the info pane at all
[20:12] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47218/ - scim binary check fix - removes delay if scim not installed
[20:13] <rgreening> There was another complicated patch with popen.. gross. And never worked on deb systems
[20:13] <rgreening> This is simple
[20:14] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  How about a patch description and maybe some debian/changelog?
[20:16] <rgreening> I have the debdiff prepared now.
[20:16] <rgreening> 1 sec for paste
[20:17] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47219/
[20:17] <rgreening> There it is. :)
[20:18] <rgreening> let me know if there are any issues with my submission.
[20:18] <rgreening> It's only my second fix. This one was all on my own... don't think I missed anything.
[20:18] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: For debian/changelog, I think both the what and the why are important.  Something like, "Add 50_check_scim_binary.dpatch to remove 10 second startup delay if ... (LP: #203334)
[20:19] <ScottK-laptop> And the (LP: #nnnnnn) is the equivalent of (Closes: #nnnnnn) in Debian.
[20:19] <rgreening> Okies.... want me to redo and re-sub
[20:20] <ScottK-laptop> Also still need a patch description (Line 28 of your last paste).
[20:20] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: I'd prefer it since you know what you're doing better than I do.
[20:20] <rgreening> k. np. still l3rning :)
[20:20] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[20:21] <seele> anyone know if ~/Desktop is supposed to be hidden?  I seem to remember we used to use .Desktop
[20:21] <rgreening> give me 5 or 10....
[20:21] <ScottK-laptop> seele: I'm pretty certain not, but I haven't read the actual spec.
[20:21] <smarter> seele: I don't remember anything like that, and don't see the point
[20:21] <ScottK-laptop> Actually I think hiding it would be pretty user hostile.
[20:21] <seele> smarter: KDE is phasing out the Desktop folder concept, so it's something we're going to have to move with eventually
[20:22] <ScottK-laptop> And since we aren't developing Launchpad here, we should avoid that.
[20:22] <seele> ScottK-laptop: right now it's a problem because of XDG, i think Firefox downloads everything to "Desktop" by default
[20:22] <smarter> yep it does
[20:23] <ScottK-laptop> Isn't XDG a FDO spec?
[20:23] <seele> yes
[20:23] <seele> http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-0.6.html
[20:23] <smarter> but I don't think hidden the desktop dir is a good idea, until KDE provides a better alternative at least
[20:25] <goatsocks> so is kde going to lobby to change the fdo spec, or are they just going to break the spec?
[20:27] <ScottK-laptop> seele: Since Kubuntu has implemented XDG, we're kind of stuck unless KDE goes back and gets the spec changed.
[20:28] <seele> smarter: alternative to what?  the only problem i know of is firefox downloading to Desktop
[20:28] <seele> smarter: otherwise the environment supports non-desktop folders
[20:28] <smarter> yep, but people are used to their good old Desktop ;)
[20:28] <seele> ScottK-laptop: yeah, but i dont know who or when someone will do that.  it's just going to get more broken as we go along because KDE will stop supporting the concept of a desktop
[20:29] <seele> smarter: by going to kde4 we're not supporting them using their "good old Desktop"
[20:29] <goatsocks> seele: so kde4 doesn't care about xdg?
[20:29] <seele> goatsocks: no no no, it does
[20:29] <seele> at least it follows it at the moment
[20:29] <ScottK-laptop> seele: So does ~/Desktop just become a folder in the FS that doesn't happen to equate to what we view as the "Desktop"?
[20:29] <seele> but xgd breaks the KDE desktop concept
[20:30] <goatsocks> seele: making Desktop go away would require changing the xdg spec, so something has to give
[20:30] <seele> (looks like someone is going to start a conversation about it on the xdg mailing list)
[20:30]  * ScottK-laptop is not that someone.
[20:30] <goatsocks> seele: either kde lobbies fd.o to change xdg, or kde breaks from xdg
[20:30] <seele> ScottK-laptop: i think some people are proposing that ~/Desktop turns in to a legacy .Desktop
[20:31] <seele> goatsocks: no kidding. upstream people are on it :P
[20:31] <smarter> people need an easy way to put temp files and quick access files/apps, without cluttering there $HOME
[20:31] <smarter> strigi/nepomuk and plasma are of course the way to go, but in 4.1 at least, I don't think we're ready to break the whole desktop metaphor
[20:31] <goatsocks> smarter: right, Desktop is used as a tmp folder by many users
[20:32] <seele> not really.  Desktop is used as a working directory, not a temp directory
[20:32] <goatsocks> seele: i'm talking about how users actually use it in the real world
[20:32] <seele> ephemeral and working information is stored on it, not just ephemeral (temporary)
[20:32] <seele> goatsocks: yeah.. so am i.  there's tons of research on the topic
[20:33] <goatsocks> seele: i don't need any research, my mother and my bro both use Desktop as temp dirs
[20:33] <RainCT> seele: if Konqueror/Dolphin support .hidden files perhaps the Desktop directory can be hidden using one of those
[20:33] <seele> goatsocks: that's a bit ethnocentric
[20:34] <RainCT> (that's answering to the "turn ~/Desktop into .Desktop", I'm not sure if I've understood what the issue is but neither do I really mind about KDE :P)
[20:34] <goatsocks> seele: how does ethnicity factor into that?
[20:34] <seele> goatsocks: omg look up the word
[20:35] <seele> youre drawing conclusions from your own bubble of the world instead of considering other users and factors outside your experience
[20:35] <smarter> that's what I said, temp and "quick access", I'll happily remove that if I could say "open all pdf about foo"  to Nepomuk, but that's not the case atm
[20:36] <seele> RainCT: i'm not sure if .Desktop will still conform to the xdg spec
[20:36] <goatsocks> seele: and you're discounting people's real world experience with "studies"
[20:37] <seele> goatsocks: 3 people's experience is hardly statistically significant
[20:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: should we do powerdevil?
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> does it have any advantages over what we have now?
[20:40]  * JontheEchidna doesn't know since he doesn't have a laptop
[20:40] <goatsocks> seele: even if this were a corner case, which i'm not convinced it is, you seem too dismissive of it... what did ~/Desktop ever do to earn your enmity? ;)
[20:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, it might become default in 4.2 anyway
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> let's do it then
[20:46] <ScottK> Properties for my desktop ~/Desktop says "47153 files, 6499 sub-folders
[20:47] <smarter> Oo
[20:47] <goatsocks> ScottK: where will you put all that stuff when ~/Desktop goes away? ;)
[20:48] <ScottK> Good question.
[20:48] <goatsocks> ~/Temp?
[20:48] <ScottK> Maybe.
[20:48] <goatsocks> i think that's what i'd do
[20:48] <smarter> ~/IHopeSomedayNepomukWillAllowMeToFindSomethingInThisMess
[20:49] <goatsocks> nepomuk is only helpful when you're not looking for something hierarchically
[20:50] <goatsocks> as a dev, a lot of my poking about for files is hierarchical, since i don't know exactly what i'm looking for a priori
[20:50] <smarter> yep, but you may know some caracteristics of what you're looking for
[20:50] <smarter> and nepomuk should help here
[20:53] <goatsocks> somewhat, but many times the structure of a distribution tree is important
[20:53] <goatsocks> with respect to your current task
[20:54] <goatsocks> so i see nepomuk as another filesystem tool, but one that can't and shouldn't replace traditional ones like filesystem hierarchy
[21:00] <smarter> goatsocks: it's a bit more than file system
[21:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: powerdevil ain't has no systray
[21:00] <apachelogger> smarter: did you apply for motu yet?
[21:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so ruphy says we should create some tiny systray app controling the settings via dbus
[21:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what do you think?
[21:01] <smarter> apachelogger; nop because of my german homework :P, and I'm going to bed
[21:01]  * JontheEchidna hides from potential work
[21:02] <goatsocks> apachelogger: steal the code from guidance
[21:04] <apachelogger> that wouldn't exactly work
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> dbus is the issue
[21:04] <apachelogger> I luv dbus
[21:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, should we consider it?
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> it seems pretty cool
[21:06] <apachelogger> we basically just need a tray app to manipulate backlight, change performance profile and open the kcm
[21:07] <apachelogger> shouldn't be too complex
[21:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47245/
[21:14] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: still around
[21:14] <ScottK> Yep.
[21:14] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: its just a matter of me actually doing it
[21:15] <NCommander> I can have it done like soonish
[21:15] <NCommander> Need to test one last build
[21:15] <rgreening> kk. getting paste for ya.
[21:15] <ScottK> NCommander: I think smarter is planning on uploading 4.1.1 soon, so it'd be nice to know if this patch should go in.
[21:15] <NCommander> for what?
[21:16] <smarter> what patch?
[21:16] <ScottK> For guidance-power-manager.
[21:16] <NCommander> Oh, that
[21:16] <NCommander> I don't even get what I'm susposed to be testing
[21:16] <rgreening> ScottK: scim delay debdiff here http://paste.ubuntu.com/47246/
[21:16] <ScottK-laptop> smarter: Bug 269483
[21:16] <rgreening> lmk if that's better
[21:18] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Diff looks good.  So how come we don't just make the scim-bridge-client depend on scim so this can't happen?
[21:18] <rgreening> That's what I asked Riddell... but I don't think he heard me :)
[21:19] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[21:19] <rgreening> So, I guess there is a case where it's legal/possible for scim to not be installed?
[21:19] <rgreening> in any case, this works
[21:19] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[21:20] <rgreening> hmm... it does general output though from the call to which. Perhaps I should change the patch to redirect to /dev/null
[21:20] <rgreening> for the which command
[21:20] <rgreening> for now, it's ok to see what is happening
[21:20] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I got that part, but I'm not sure the behavior I should be looking for. My panel is firmly planted at the bottom
[21:21] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Can you move it and see?
[21:21] <ScottK-laptop> All I know is what's written in the bug.
[21:22] <NCommander> Er
[21:22] <NCommander> I didn't even know you could move the panel
[21:22]  * NCommander is not someone who changes their desktop much
[21:22] <NCommander> Just the wallpaper
[21:22] <NCommander> How do I move it ;-)?
[21:23] <apachelogger> NCommander: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/snapshot138.png
[21:23] <NCommander> apachelogger: post your branch and I'll merge it
[21:23] <NCommander> (propose for merging and I'll ack it)
[21:23] <apachelogger> I need to clean up first
[21:24] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: It also needs maintainer updated.  I'm fixing that.
[21:24] <rgreening> ok.
[21:27] <rgreening> brb. reboot.
[21:28] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: can you upload gnucash for me? (I'm testing my kde4bindings fix now)
[21:28] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Did you get a 2nd ack?
[21:30] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: siretart acked it on IRC, but didn't post a comment
[21:31] <ScottK> NCommander: Right.  I ack'ed after I saw that, but FFe needs two acks from motu-release.
[21:31] <NCommander> ScottK: I thought siretart was motu-release
[21:32] <ScottK-laptop> Nope.
[21:32] <ScottK-laptop> Just someone who's been interested in that package for a long time who's opinion I respect.
[21:35] <apachelogger> NCommander: I'll update the README later on
[21:35]  * apachelogger should seriously get some spare time
[22:16] <NCommander> ScottK: I got kde4bindings for you
[22:19] <NCommander> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47265/
[22:19] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Great.
[22:19] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: You tested this how?
[22:20] <ScottK-laptop> Once burned twice shy and all that.
[22:20] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I removed lpia and made sure the resulting mono objects weren't packaged
[22:20] <NCommander> (the result in my PPA)
[22:20] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: OK.  Sounds good.  Thanks.
[22:26] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: In general I could stand for your debian/changelog entries to be more verbose.
[22:26] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I can fix that now if you like
[22:27] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I think in this case it's OK given what I wrote in the last one, but it should be explicit about what and why so the next person that touches the package understands.
[22:27] <apachelogger> NCommander: btw, I sent you the revu patch
[22:27]  * NCommander queues the merger
[22:27] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: For example, the samba4/kdelibs ones could have stood something like "...  due to Bug #nnnnnn and can be dropped once that is fixed."
[22:28] <NCommander> ah, I see
[22:28] <NCommander> apachelogger: I don't see your bzr tree
[22:28] <apachelogger> NCommander: my bzr tree?
[22:28] <NCommander> how/where are the fixs?
[22:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: in your gmail inbox
[22:29]  * NCommander wanted a nice/easy to merge bazaar tree
[22:29] <apachelogger> NCommander: read the mail :P
[22:29] <apachelogger> you got a tree in a patch file :P
[22:29] <NCommander> haven't gotten it yet
[22:30] <apachelogger> omg
[22:30] <apachelogger> maybe kmail ate it
[22:30]  * apachelogger shudders
[22:30] <NCommander> OMG, YOUR MAIL KILLED OXYGEN
[22:30] <apachelogger> it did?
[22:30] <apachelogger> omg
[22:31] <apachelogger> how did it do that
[22:31]  * apachelogger knew mailing was a bad idea
[22:31] <NCommander> cause its a b******
[22:31] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/oxygen.patch
[22:31] <NCommander> that means I need to merge things
[22:31] <NCommander> I don't even have a local revu install ATM
[22:32] <apachelogger> ô mon dieu!
[22:32] <apachelogger> NCommander: just merge and push :P
[22:33] <apachelogger> issues will appear rather quickly I guess :P
[22:35] <apachelogger> hm
[22:35] <apachelogger> my todo is out of date
[22:37] <NCommander> so ScottK, when are some of my backport fixes going to be uploaded
[22:41] <ScottK> NCommander: Are there any that need uploading?  Now that jdong is back, I'm taking a break from looking at those bugs.
[22:41] <NCommander> ScottK: quite a few actually
[22:41] <NCommander> ScottK: at least 3 or 4
[22:43] <NCommander> w00t
[22:43] <NCommander> Libtool failures
[22:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it just me or are we drowning in work?
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, merge + powerdevil + stuff
[22:45] <apachelogger> nice
[22:45]  * apachelogger demands minions
[22:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you going to write the powerdevil systray?
[22:46] <apachelogger> otherwise I will have to do rubyqt magic ;-)
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: probably not...
[22:47] <apachelogger> \o/
[22:47] <apachelogger> well, maybe smarter wants
[22:47] <apachelogger> I think rubyqt is a dep of amarok anyway.
[22:49] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Any idea why we have DEB_DH_SHLIBDEPS_ARGS_kdepim-dev := -Xkdepimwidgets.so in debian/rules for kdepim?
[22:52] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: maybe debian needs it because they patch KDE to not link recursive
[22:53] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: So we can drop it?
[22:53] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: if you want to increase the diff to debian, yes
[22:54] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: The thing is we're shipping that .so in kdepim-dev, so shouldn't it get proper depends?
[22:56] <apachelogger> Probably.
[22:57] <ScottK-laptop> At the very least Lintian will be happier.
[22:57] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Give it a try.
[22:58] <apachelogger> If kdepim refuses to build, you know why ;-)
[23:05] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Building.  I'll know in about an eternity.
[23:24] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: Why was bug 222298 changed to update-manager?
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> bdmurray: I thought that adept only showed the changleog and launched update-manager-kde
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> is that incorrect?
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> s/changelog/release announcement
[23:27] <bdmurray> I thought adept was a different frontend, but I'm not positive.
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^would you happen to know how adept2 is involved in dist-upgrading?
[23:29] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: It looks to me like update-manager does do the dist-upgrade.
[23:31] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: By the way do you anything about the kubuntu-bugs team?  I saw an e-mail about it and was wondering what the plan was.
[23:31] <JontheEchidna> bdmurray: apachelogger is the dude with the plan for that. I think the plan is for it to basically be a bugmail funnel for kubuntu-related bugs
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> but somebody on LP already has the ~kubuntu-bugs nickname
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> so for now it's Almost Kubuntu Bugs until we can get that name
[23:32] <bdmurray> Right, I saw that team name. ;)