=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:45] regarding http://tech.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?id=1168487&op=view [00:45] can any one tell me why firefox is pushing on debian and ubuntu but not other distros as SUSE and Fefora [00:45] and the introduction of ice* stuff [01:02] Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager [01:03] Window manager "Metacity" has not registered a configuration tool [01:08] darthanubis: gconf-editor [01:08] An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for gconf-editor. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly. [01:09] Mmm. That's some messed-up gnome. [01:10] http://pastebin.com/d4e2c1c84 [01:10] fresh install [01:11] hoppe I don't haave to reinstall? [01:12] I don't know. Is there anything strange that you're doing? [01:13] Or, in other words, what triggered this? [01:14] clean install of intrepid, then updated, and installed compiz and mythtv [01:14] same think I did 3 days ago with no issue [01:15] just trrying to make my windows shade [01:19] Maybe just try a restart? It seems like your session is a bit crazy. === vorian is now known as mad-mule === mad-mule is now known as vorian [02:08] firefox is broke [02:08] :( [02:08] k bai [02:16] He's a regular jack... Oh wait. [02:31] anyone feel like helping me get my vpn up and running with the new connection manager? [02:31] i get an error the vpn service stopped unexpectedly [02:31] i couldnt find anything relevant by googling [02:42] is vlc 0.9.2 available somehow? [02:47] packages.ubuntu.com [03:40] Right now something is a bit off with my display [03:41] it's like everything is stretched out vertically. Anyone else having that? [04:09] hello [04:09] hi [04:09] im on intrepid. im having the damndest time getting my video settings working.. [04:09] nvidia-settings seems to give unstartable configs [04:09] i ran this one video config program once when X failed to start, in a weak X safe mode, it let me set it up and it actually totally worked [04:09] but i dont know what that program was [04:09] and i cant find it again [04:10] i tried deleting my xorg confs hoping it would let me run it again, but now its booting some sort of safe config somewhere i dont know where its finding it [04:10] and isnt giving me that config dialog again [04:10] it might have been displayconfig-gtk, but that's been removed [04:10] oh no.. [04:10] now what do i use [04:10] oh wait that is it [04:10] and its still installed hehehe [04:10] weee [04:11] xorg.conf has been deprecated in favour of nothing [04:11] uuuuuhhhh.. [04:11] how do i configure nothing/ [04:11] video is supposed to be automatically configured [04:11] How do you pass nvidia the interesting options, such as customedid, or ondemandvblankinterrupts? [04:11] hehe, thats not completely true [04:11] but i think that is the ideal [04:12] i pass nvidia options using xorg.conf [04:12] ya.. [04:12] how do i tell it to use nvidia [04:12] until they change their control panel [04:12] its using nv apparently by auto detection [04:12] so it will use a xorg if its there but otherwise just guess>? [04:13] yeah [04:13] yes [04:13] thats .. sorta cool [04:13] it guessed a usable config [04:13] but it doesnt support the 3d [04:13] it should use the best available option [04:13] and gave me a gay resolution [04:13] 1280x960 [04:13] i can do 1280x1024 [04:14] which driver do you want to use? [04:14] 1280x960 makes more sense on a CRT than 1280x1024. [04:14] Is it a CRT? [04:14] ya [04:14] id prefer the extra pixels.. [04:14] brb im restarting X [04:14] And non-circular circles? [04:14] DanaG: Why do you say that? [04:14] thx for telling me about displayconfig-gtk [04:14] 1280x960 is 4:3 ratio; 1280x1024 is 5:4 (wtf???) [04:14] thats what i was looking for [04:15] no it isn't [04:15] 1280x1024 is 4:3 [04:15] No, try it in a calculator. [04:15] 1280/1024; 1280/960. [04:15] 1280x1024 is 5:4 [04:15] and then 1024/768. [04:16] That's one of my pet peeves.... who the heck invented that oddball resolution? [04:16] Whoever did that... should be slapped. [04:16] k im back [04:16] blame it on bill gates [04:16] ya that worked btw [04:16] or monkey boy ballmer [04:17] 1280x1024 is in teh VESA standards iirc [04:18] awesome expression: ¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿?¿? [04:31] when using build-dep now dependencies are removed afterwards automatically? [04:32] No. [04:33] :( [04:34] You can use pbuilder-satisfydepends; that'll work as you wish. [04:34] ok RAOF, thanks [04:46] I keep getting the error "Maximum number of clients reached" after being in X for about 3-4 hours. [04:46] when trying to open new apps [04:46] as long as I dont close them I am ok, but I am unable to open new ones [04:46] googling the error hasnt pinpointed the exact issue I am faced with... [04:51] e\ectro__: maybe you should install chkrootkit or rkhunter... :P [04:52] jlc: why's that [04:52] you think I have a rootkit? [04:52] i was just joking [04:52] heh [04:52] 0_o [04:52] I already went down that route anyways ;) [04:53] seems like only after I installed kde4 [04:53] do you use gnome at all? [04:54] you would be able to see if its kde i guess that way [04:56] yes [04:56] i only use gnome [04:56] installed kde4 to check it out [04:56] ah, so you were just testing out kde4 [04:56] yeah [04:57] i did that too and it seemed buggy [04:57] my thoughts exactly [04:57] every time i try kde i just go back [04:57] me too [04:57] i like my gnome setup ;) [04:57] which is funny because I always used kde in the past along with xfce4 [04:58] Has anyone else got this? (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Microsoft X-Box 360 pad" (type: MOUSE) [04:59] Or any way of stopping it from being configured as a mouse? It seems to have happened when I updated XServer, but it could have come from the other updates as well [05:30] how does that guest login thing work? is there a way to install it on 8.04 [05:36] So, there's a new PulseAudio going up... any ETA on it getting to the repos? [05:36] The repos meaning archive.ubuntu.org. [05:39] DanaG: You mean, pulse 0.9.12? Given the regressions, it might not make Intrepid. [05:40] anyone on that can help us with my nvidia issues? broken since 7-3 upgrade... [05:40] timboy: which nvidia? [05:40] Hmm, what regressions? [05:40] DanaG: Buffer underruns, crashing when TheMuso plugs in his USB soundcard. [05:40] DanaG, gdm won't start with nvidia drivers installed [05:41] I've had my own regressions in Intrepid with the Toshiba stuff... and not gotten much response to the bug report. However, there probably are higher-priority issues out there. [05:41] timboy: which nvidia card? [05:41] The "regressions" question was about pulse, not nvidia. [05:41] LSD|Ninja, 8800GT's SLI [05:41] DanaG: And given TheMuso is our audio maintainer... :) [05:41] This Toshiba has a card that needs the 96 drivers... and they don't work. Got nv? Bleargh. [05:46] LSD|Ninja, any idea? [05:46] if I uninstall nvidia gdm starts fine with vesa [05:46] Nope, I thought you may have had one of the older ones which still don't work yet [05:47] oh ok [05:47] Is it the dkms issue? [05:47] Multiple versions of nvidia driver. [05:48] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177/+bug/261816 [05:48] Launchpad bug 261816 in linux-restricted-modules-envy-2.6.24 "nvidia: Multiple versions in DKMS" [Medium,In progress] [05:52] DanaG, trying those things [05:54] DanaG, no I don't think so... Tried all of those steps no dice. [05:54] What video card? [05:55] Argh, I wish PulseAudio wouldn't eat all my CPU time when I pause quodlibet. [05:59] DanaG, dual 8800GT's in SLI [05:59] Aah. Does the driver just not build, or does it fail to start? [05:59] Good places to look: dmesg, and xorg log. [06:00] DanaG, it builds and starts just fine but gdm won't load if nvidia is loaded... [06:00] (EE) No devices detected. [06:01] Fatal server error:no screens found [06:01] is what xorg.0.log says [06:03] RAOF, you on? I was told before you were the one to talk to for nvidia issues [06:07] I'm not sure why :) [06:07] timboy: Pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log [06:09] RAOF, http://pastebin.ca/1203084 [06:10] Firstly, I'd remove the "Disable dri2" bit; that's unnecessary. [06:10] Secondly. Odd. [06:10] I presume you actually have one of nvidia-glx-{173,177} installed? [06:11] Yes 177 [06:11] also tried 173 [06:12] Try running "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview" and restart X? [06:14] when I run a gdm restart the screen just flashes a couple of times and gdm fails to start [06:16] if I try startx I get: (EE) No devices detected. no screens found giving up and then xinit: Connection refused (errno 111) [06:17] Hmm. Pastebin the log and the config file, perhaps? [06:18] DanaG, Just did that 8 mins ago want me to do it again? [06:18] lemme look. [06:23] brb [06:29] oh, try googling for this: (!!) More than one possible primary device found [06:30] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=kn6&q=%22(!!)+More+than+one+possible+primary+device+found%22&btnG=Search [06:31] http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=196539 [06:37] * DanaG goes off to devour his CPU: [06:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/paconfig/+bug/221038 [06:37] Launchpad bug 221038 in pulseaudio "PulseAudio fails when Gstreamer is paused" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:39] DanaG: I don't suppose you've tried that with pulse 0.9.12? [06:39] I haven't tried the new PulseAudio. [06:39] Is there a PPA with it somewhere, or something? [06:39] ~the-muso/+archive [06:39] If all else fails, I can compile it... but I'd rather not have to. [06:39] Cool. [06:40] Sorry, ~themuso/+archive [06:42] er, complete address? [06:42] None of the other PPA repos I use have a tilde or a +archive [06:43] launchpad.net/~themuso/+archive [06:43] Sorry, I was pointing you at the launchpad page. [06:43] Aah. [06:43] I'll go there, then. [06:49] DanaG, RAOF, I restored my original nvidia config and getting a different error now: http://pastebin.ca/1203102 [06:50] i guess I should say I restored my original xorg.conf [06:51] Failed to initialize... I don't know what to do there. [06:51] Look in dmesg -- anything with NVRM is nvidia. [06:52] DanaG, [ 15.243422] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 177.70 Wed Aug 27 12:46:19 PDT 2008 [06:53] Start at the bottom, actually. [06:53] dmesg | less [06:53] then hit end. [06:53] Or perhaps it's ctrl-end? Well, I know pgdn will get you there after a while. [06:54] DanaG, i grepped NVRM and that's the only line I got [06:54] Odd. [06:55] Or rather, too normal. [06:55] =þ [06:55] well the module loads fine on startup and everything... === dedi_away is now known as Dedi [07:00] hey [07:01] does anyone know if vlc 0.9.2 will be in intrepid? [07:01] Probably not if it isn't already would be my guess. [07:02] ok, too bad, it's real improvement [07:02] Ugh, crackling. [07:02] they could make an exception as they do with firefox [07:03] Oh yeah, and nice new pavucontrol, though. [07:03] bobesponja: Oh, it's entirely possible that it _could_ be updated. [07:03] And no more cpu rapeage on pause. [07:03] DanaG: Swings and roundabouts :) [07:03] DanaG: So, you get buffer underruns too? [07:04] bobesponja: It's in multiverse, though, which is a bit of a demotivator for some. [07:05] Droputs, yup. [07:05] RAOF: why would it be a demotivator? [07:05] bobesponja: Because multiverse is all non-free in some way. [07:06] In this case, it's non-free because it's full to the brim with patent-infringing code. [07:06] can't it be compiled with the patent stuff out? [07:06] Aah, speex-float-1 is better than float-3. [07:06] Yes. [07:06] bobesponja: Well, probably. But then why would you use vlc over, say, totem? [07:07] I use mplayer, because VLC fails at mkv subtitles. [07:07] You'd lose all the encoders, for examle. [07:07] Totally ignores font style, font color, text position, and text angle. [07:07] So, you'll end up with 3 sets of subtitles all overlapping at the bottom center. [07:07] You anime junky, you :P [07:08] Yup. [07:08] I have multiverse and don't see vlc 0.9.2 though :/ [07:08] Good for chalkboard gags and such. [07:08] Actually, that's probably spelled 'junkie' [07:08] Oh yeah, still no device selector in pavumeter! [07:08] bobesponja: Yeah, we've got 0.8.6 in multiverse currently. [07:09] ok, cause I was asking about 0.9.2 and then you said "it's in multiverse" so I got confused I guess [07:09] I meant that it being in multiverse is a demotivator for updating it to 0.9.2 ;) [07:10] yeah, that was confusing =) [07:11] omglol? alsa-util.c: Device hw:1 doesn't support 6 channels, changed to 2. [07:11] It worked with the previous version, with 6 channels. [07:11] Lame. [07:12] DanaG: Probably worth filing that as a bug against pulseaudio, making it clear that you're using the PPA. [07:12] DanaG: That's what the PPA's there for - to track 0.9.12 improvements/regressions, to determine whether it's worth updating. [07:13] Aah. [07:13] I just did something foolish: pccardctl eject, while using a USB hard drive for /home [07:13] =þ [07:13] So, will be back in a minute. [07:23] Odd... after a reboot, it's now giving me 6 channels. [07:23] I like that pavucontrol now includes a meter.... but it should have one per channel, right? Just one meter for 6 channel device is lame. [07:26] Ugh, it's using like 80% CPU to resample a 44.1KHz file to a 48KHz-only device. [07:28] DanaG: one-per-channel? Maybe, but that'd take up a lot of space [07:29] And CPU time. [07:29] Right. [07:29] But then they should instead add a device chooser to pavumeter. [07:31] You can get them, through paman [07:31] On the 'sink properties'. But I aggree. [07:40] Oh, I see... the 80% CPU usage is only while pavucontrol is open. [07:40] Odd. [07:40] It's like it's resampling the output AND resampling the input, or something. [07:40] It probably is. [07:41] Feature idea: make the volume control bars use a lower-resource version, such as 'trivial' or such. [07:41] My experience with pulseaudio -vvv suggests that when a pavucontrol client is connected to the daemon it polls the input as well as the output :) [07:42] There are no Easter Eggs in this program. [07:42] There really are no Easter Eggs in this program. [07:42] Didn't I already tell you that there are no Easter Eggs in this program? [07:42] (As in, it spends time polling the alsa sinks as well as sources) [07:42] ... I'll spare the rest. [07:42] =þ [07:42] Where's that from? [07:42] that's aptitude moo [07:42] aptitude -v moo [07:42] then add more -v [07:43] Aaad [07:43] can do -vvv (not need -v -v -v) [07:45] yay for disable lfe remixing. [07:46] Next feature to add: settable lfe crossover. =þ [07:58] <[Neurotic]> hey all, I'm trying to update my ubuntu with the alternate cd, but am getting the error ''E:Could not open file /cdrom/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages - open (2 No such file or directory (and more). Is the cdrom update working yet? [08:02] <[Neurotic]> hmnn.. guess everyone is asleep in the US or something :( [08:02] On the weekend, no less. [08:03] Mon Sep 15 00:03:05 PDT 2008 [08:03] yeah. [08:04] <[Neurotic]> Monday in Australia :D [08:04] <[Neurotic]> sod... really wanted to do an update from cdrom [08:05] do-release-upgrade doesn't cut it? [08:05] <[Neurotic]> I'm trying to solve a kernel panic problem with the iwl4965 drivers [08:06] <[Neurotic]> so if it panics mid upgrade [08:06] <[Neurotic]> I'm in a bit of trouble [08:06] <[Neurotic]> If I turn off my networking, no panic [08:06] Fun. I don't suppose you've got a wired connection? [08:07] <[Neurotic]> yeah, I may have to resort to that [08:07] inkscape doesn't build using build-dep, ./configure complains about "gsl" package. [08:09] x1250: Presumably dpkg-buildpackage works, though? [08:11] RAOF, nope, same error [08:11] x1250: This may well be a bug. [08:11] It was last built about a month ago; it may be that things have changed. [08:12] I'll pull source and build in a chroot. [08:14] ok, I'm asking on #inkscape for help too. Thanks. [08:18] libgsl0-dev is missing as a dependency, its compiling now [08:25] also there is a bug in inkscape, and thats why I'm compiling. In document properties there is a button to select the document background. The problem is that the maximum value por alpha opacity is only 245 and not 255. The spin button can't reach 255, and setting 255 value by hand doesn't work either. #inkscape guys said its fixed on svn, so I'm building a deb package. [08:25] s/por// [09:03] hi guys, how to check if i found a bug? [09:04] i cannot set the framebuffer in the usual way === elwood_ is now known as elwood [09:25] Anyone here successfully using btnx on 8.10? === avis- is now known as avis [09:39] Why is vlc-plugin-pulse in multiverse ? === marko_ is now known as marko-_- [09:45] Jordan_U, I have no idea, but my best guess is because it's associated with vlc which has to be in multiverse [10:20] Hello, is medibuntu working in Intrepid? [10:22] mattik: I doubt it's supported, but it hasn't seemed to have cause me any grief [10:24] are there any new about the actual kernel update to 2.6.27-3? [10:24] yes, It's not working in me, too [10:24] I mean medibuntu [10:25] Still I don't have sound support for my laptop [10:25] after kernel update [10:26] In But maybre it's kde wrong [10:26] error [10:27] sorry [10:28] It allways change sound source in startup of kde [10:28] and startup sound stop [10:28] In gnome I don't have system sounds [10:29] I think there is so much sound error bugs that I don't report. Some says it's duplicate [10:30] if I try === mvo__ is now known as mvo [11:30] anybody have any documentation on how to configure mouse and display in 8.10 [12:15] http://blog.aliencam.net/aliencams-customized-ubuntu-setup-guide/ [12:15] That works really well for Thinkpads === clusty_ is now known as clusty [12:50] hey [12:51] there is something funny with firefox (or the flash plugin). if there is any other application using the sound card, it cannot play any sounds (think every other app is using pulse) [12:51] any easy enough way to fix this? [13:05] <`Matir> can anyone tell me how I could debug nspluginwrapper crashes? It's getting annoying to not be able to use anything requiring flash. === mazzen_ is now known as mazzen [13:23] oi `Matir, if you are using Firefox 3.0.1, then it's a problem in firefox that has been fixed in upstream. You need to get a nightly of it [13:25] <`Matir> Sonicadvance1, ah, I think I have 3.0.2 now... though I've had nspluginwrapper disabled for the last few days. I'll try re-enabling and see what happens. [13:25] <`Matir> Sonicadvance1, thanks. [13:43] i have 2.6.27.3 which supports my rtl-8150 card now, i can see my network and the card is on, but can't connect/ === Seeker`_ is now known as Seeker` [13:58] will the new version of vlc be available in the repos? [13:58] aswell as that my load avg is 5.42 4.71 4.82 ? [14:02] wrapndis_wq < is that process ndiswrapper, i guess so [14:20] I keep getting the error "Maximum number of clients reached" after being in X for about 3-4 hours. [14:26] hello [14:26] anyone an idea how to fix this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isight-firmware-tools/+bug/256114 ? [14:26] Launchpad bug 256114 in isight-firmware-tools "Unable to load isight firmware (dup-of: 251838)" [Undecided,New] [14:26] Launchpad bug 251838 in mactel-support "[intrepid] isight_firmware module doesn't load isight.fw" [Low,Fix released] [14:44] <`Matir> arpu, did you read the bug it's a duplicate of? [14:48] Matri yes i copyed isighn firmeware to /lib/firemware and removed the isighn-extract-tools [14:48] mabye ist a problem the 64 bit ubuntu version i need a other firmeware ? [14:49] Window manager "compiz" has not registered a configuration tool [14:50] Cannot start the preferences application for your window manager [15:17] Bug 269805 [15:17] Bug #269805 [15:17] #269805 [15:17] Launchpad bug 269805 in gnome-control-center "gnome-window-properties gives error about configuration tool not being "registered"" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269805 === Tonik_ is now known as Tonik [15:30] there is something funny with firefox (or the flash plugin). if there is any other application using the sound card, it cannot play any sounds (think every other app is using pulse) [15:30] any easy enough way to fix this? [15:44] Is there a wiki page or some info about how X is being configured in intrepid.. I have a blank xorg.conf but everything is working nicely. This unnerves me! [15:46] firefox crashes when going to paypal in intrepid [15:46] every time [15:46] it will initally load the page, then oops... crash [15:46] give me 2 min ill brb [15:46] jonny, i have similar thing going on also got a blank xorg.conf and im unable to get the ati drivers to install but all the effects are working only problem i have is that the system is working incredibly slow [15:47] allright had to switch from chatzilla to xchat to do a crash report [15:49] kulight - I just ran displayconfig-gtk and it has writeen me a good xorg.conf, I'm just going to restart X to see if ti _actually is good_ or not :) [15:49] terminal gives me --> Segmentation fault (core dumped) [15:49] ok ill be waiting for your resauls [15:52] jsconsole gives me error parsing property "filter" [15:52] twice but it closes too quick to read details [15:53] jonny, i dont have dislayconfig-gtk [15:53] and firefox http://www.paypal.com [15:53] (crashreporter:10703): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed [15:53] (crashreporter:10703): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed [15:53] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [15:59] any ideas [15:59] ? [16:00] unavailable, I have no problems visiting paypal on firefox on current (updated) intrepid [16:01] what does the above mean then?? [16:01] (crashreporter:10703): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed [16:01] mind you i installed intrepid using update-manager -d [16:02] it means the gtk_widget_set_sensitive function is being passed something that is not, in fact, a gtk widget. [16:03] ok, so how would this be solved? [16:04] that's all it reports? [16:07] hello how can i start ath_pci module on start up ` [16:08] arpu, list it in /etc/modules [16:09] th Matir` [16:09] thx [16:10] Matir`: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47160/ [16:10] still waiting for the actual crash report to process [16:15] Does anybody know if VLC 0.9.2 will be packaged in time for Intrepid's final release? [16:16] unavailable, do you use any addons other than the defaults? (ubufox is, IIRC, the only default). If so, try disabling them and trying it again. [16:18] ghindo, I would doubt it [16:18] Matir`: Darn. Oh well, thanks [16:18] ghindo, might end up in backports [16:19] ghindo, I don't speak for the Intrepid team though, I just know it's past FeatureFreeze [16:19] Matir`: True. [16:20] ghindo, I'm hoping for OO 3 myself [16:20] Matir`: 00 3? [16:21] openoffice 3 [16:22] They're only in like, Beta 2, aren't they? [16:22] Maaayybe it'll be in Intrepid Backports [16:24] yeah, the OO.org team's deadlines keep slipping [16:24] lots of nice features in it though [16:26] First rc of OOo 3 is out there [16:28] If Ubuntu 8.04 LTS was able to ship with a FF3-beta Intrepid Ibex should be able to ship with a released OOo 3 :) [16:31] Matir`: k [16:33] Matir`: still crashes === bobbo_ is now known as bobbo [17:00] <`Matir> Anyone ever see wine cause X to segfault? [17:01] usually boils down to the driver causing the crash [17:02] <`Matir> JontheEchidna, ah... lovely [17:03] yeah... [17:06] whats the deal with cairo-dock ? a wiki on the plans for it and intrepid ? [17:06] i dont see cairo-dock-plugins [17:07] i get "expected )")" " when updating [17:07] for cairo dock [17:08] tis not a big issue for me, the dock still works [17:08] unavailable: what do you mean ?? [17:08] "expected" [17:09] hold on lemmie update and get the exact message [17:09] anyone know if the new alsa and linux sound kills anything? [17:10] the reason i say is because the nvidia update killed me for a bit [17:10] talks about "processing triggers for menu" [17:11]