[02:29] <EruditeHermit> hi, is it known which theme will be the default for intrepid?
[10:05] <carciofo> good morning world
[10:06] <aantn> morning carciofo
[10:09] <carciofo> ah
[10:09] <carciofo> hi
[10:09] <carciofo> just about trying screencast
[10:12] <carciofo> what do the ubuntu artwork?
[10:12] <carciofo> what kind of artworks?
[10:24] <carciofo> such as digital artwort i guess :- )
[15:23] <Cimi> kwwii, firefox patch
[15:34] <kwwii> Cimi: he
[15:34] <kwwii> erm
[15:34] <kwwii> hey
[15:34] <kwwii> Cimi: not sure I understand what you mena
[15:35] <kwwii> and I definitely cannot type today
[15:36] <Cimi> kwwii, you asked me to remember you to ping a developer to ask if he would have patched firefox in order to add rounded entry
[15:36] <kwwii> ahhh, right...I'll bug asac now
[15:37] <kwwii> jolt my memory here...there is a patch available and we need to get the firefox maintainer to apply it?
[15:37] <Cimi> the patch landed in 3.1 trunk, but I guess it should work for 3.0
[15:38] <kwwii> ahh, right
[15:38] <Cimi> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=332569
[15:38] <Cimi> there's the patch
[15:39] <Cimi> kwwii, the reason why I have changed "style" to "profile" is that I want to be able to add a real "style" option in the future: for example to manage a totally new style
[15:40] <Cimi> (in murrine's code)
[15:41] <Cimi> the actual *styles*, renamed to *profile = ...* are based to the murrine rendering code, they pass some gradients and options to the murrine code. they are not a real new style
[15:43] <kwwii> Cimi: sounds like a very good idea
[15:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: You're needed in -devel.
[15:44] <kwwii> Cimi: do you have a link to the whole bug and not just the patch?
[15:45] <Cimi> yeah
[15:46] <Cimi> kwwii, so to make your theme compatible with the latest subversion just remove the "style = MURRINE" from your gtkrc
[15:46] <Cimi> _MMA_, too
[15:46] <Cimi> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405421
[15:47] <kwwii> Cimi: erm, this will effect a lot of themes I guess
[15:47] <Cimi> kwwii, no
[15:47] <Cimi> kwwii, just your theme
[15:48] <Cimi> style = MURRINE was introduced in the SVN, so there should be only your theme that needs to be fixed
[15:48] <dilomo> hey guys
[15:49] <kwwii> Cimi: hehe, cool
[15:50] <kwwii> Cimi: I'll remove that when I update the theme in a day or two
[15:50] <dilomo> anybody knows how to overlap images in metacity theme?
[15:50] <dilomo> like that : http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89997_Jonined_122_801lo.jpg
[15:50] <Cimi> dilomo, metacity should not use pixmaps
[15:51] <dilomo> who said that?
[15:51] <dilomo> if it is easier to do
[15:51] <dilomo> why not use images?
[15:52] <Cimi> because, and even benzea said to you, they *sucks*
[15:52] <Cimi> and for example, given the bugged compiz+nvidia
[15:52] <Cimi> you'll lose window borders and fail under a lor of artifacts
[15:53] <Cimi> just try pixmap themes with compiz
[15:53] <dilomo> well I'm using pixmaps only for the buttons
[15:53] <Cimi> oh then it should be ok
[15:54] <Cimi> anyway
[15:54] <Cimi> you can't overlap
[15:54] <dilomo> so back to the question: how can I overlap button images?
[15:54] <dilomo> that sucks
[15:54] <dilomo> :)
[15:55] <Cimi> overlapping is not necessary
[15:55] <Cimi> maybe it should be more useful to manage the different layouts
[15:55] <Cimi> so you can have different images when you have only minimaze and close
[15:56] <Cimi> and different images with all the buttons
[15:56] <Cimi> you'll achieve what you want without overlapping
[15:56] <Cimi> that means a better code
[15:56] <dilomo> but is how is that possible? explain
[15:56] <Cimi> i don't think it is possible
[15:57] <dilomo> how do I do these layouts?
[15:57] <Cimi> I've just said it should be better if metacity would support layourts rather than overlapping
[15:57] <dilomo> ok
[15:58] <Cimi> I'm not sure but maybe you can do this too
[15:59] <Cimi> now
[15:59] <Cimi> try to read frames
[15:59] <Cimi> in the metacity.xml
[15:59] <Cimi> you can manage different layout for utility ......
[16:00] <dilomo> is there a way to detect if only close button will appear because
[16:00] <dilomo> only then I need different image for the button
[16:01] <Cimi> I can't help you, I'm busy till october
[16:01] <dilomo> no I will need more checks to do that
[16:01] <Cimi> but *maybe*
[16:02] <Cimi> if you run metacity-theme-viewer
[16:02] <Cimi> you can see how *dialogs* have no minimize button
[16:02] <Cimi> so you can play with it
[16:03] <dilomo> ok thanks for the tip
[16:14] <dilomo> there is one case when the window has fixed size and cannot be maximized
[16:14] <dilomo> that breaks everything I might make
[16:23] <dilomo> I found a way to do it.
[16:24] <CimiDS> well
[16:32] <Elf1991> Hi people
[16:33] <Elf1991> who is Russia ??
[16:34] <Elf1991> gays !!?!!
[16:34] <cody-somerville> No, the Russia isn't the gays.
[16:34]  * _MMA_ is gay.
[16:35] <Elf1991> cody-somerville are from Russia ??
[16:36]  * _MMA_ tries despreatly to think of a "In Soviet Russia..." joke.
[16:36] <Elf1991> Áëèí êòî Ðóññêèé çíàåò à ?
[16:36] <_MMA_> Elf1991: You asked. Nobody said "yes" SO there's your answer.
[16:37] <Elf1991> Chert
[16:37] <_MMA_> And the over-use of punctuation will get you nowhere. It's just annoying.
[16:37] <Elf1991> sorry
[16:39] <Elf1991> Designer I work here and want to help as nebud.
[16:39] <_MMA_> Join the mailing list. http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Help where you can.
[16:40] <_MMA_> Elf1991: Do you have a portfolio? A place that shows your work?
[16:40] <Elf1991> Sorry for my bad English
[16:40] <Elf1991> I'm 3D modeller
[16:41] <Elf1991> I was not portfolio. But I can find elaborating
[16:41] <Elf1991> :)
[16:41] <_MMA_> Do you have examples of your work?
[16:41] <_MMA_> Link us.
[16:42] <Elf1991> sure
[16:44] <Elf1991> I just made the fish (which lasted 2 - 3 hours). I'm game developer. Allrigth now upload
[16:47] <Elf1991> http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6495/finishfishtj9.jpg - this is my work, but 30% my opportunities
[16:51] <Elf1991> http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1315/002vs3.png  - this is one of the machines for the mini-games (not smarter)
[16:53] <Elf1991> As you?
[16:55] <_MMA_> I don't understand.
[16:55] <Elf1991> Do you like my work?
[16:56] <dilomo> _MMA_ : he means this is one of the cars
[16:56] <_MMA_> It's kind of small and hard to see.
[16:56] <dilomo> because mashina in russian means car
[16:57] <Elf1991> yes =)
[16:57] <_MMA_> I see.
[16:57] <dilomo> so Elf1991 do you have some bigger rendering?
[16:57] <Elf1991> I'm have big view but he on work
[16:57] <dilomo> can you make 3D cursors?
[16:58] <Elf1991> yes sure
[16:58] <Elf1991> I'm game developer
[16:59] <Elf1991> cursors this is very easy for my
[16:59] <dilomo> can you make a preview of pointer that is modern and new
[16:59] <dilomo> for the future Ubuntu version?
[17:00] <Elf1991> yes I'm designer
[17:00] <dilomo> btw I'm Anton nice to meet you
[17:00] <dilomo> I'm from Bulgaria
[17:01] <Elf1991> cool
[17:01] <Elf1991> Iliy
[17:01] <dilomo> ?
[17:02] <Elf1991> My name is Ilya
[17:02] <Elf1991> I seldom write to English
[17:02] <Elf1991> ((((
[17:02] <dilomo> I understand
[17:02] <Elf1991> =)
[17:03] <Elf1991> I happen =)
[17:03] <dilomo> You will learn as you type more and more
[17:03] <Elf1991> sure I have a little time now, Sun Work, work
[17:04] <dilomo> as _MMA_ said you should join the mailing list
[17:05] <dilomo> to have all news and discussions
[17:06] <Elf1991> sure I'm register through 2 as the clock come home
[17:06] <dilomo> Отлично
[17:07] <Elf1991> ÎÎÎ òû ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèøü =)
[17:07] <Elf1991> Ãóä
[17:07] <dilomo> However I was trying to say good job
[17:07] <dilomo> in Russian
[17:09] <Elf1991> Why good? I'm not undestand (((
[17:10] <dilomo> Good because when you go home you will register to the mailing list
[17:11] <Elf1991> AAAA yes yes. How many members our team ??
[17:12] <dilomo> well there are many ppl out there.
[17:12] <dilomo> I have a team that has 11 or so members
[17:13] <dilomo> at the art-meeting we were around 160
[17:14] <Elf1991> xm ... allright
[17:15] <Elf1991> Well, all I went home. See you through the clock - two. Before the emergency meeting.
[17:16] <_MMA_> dilomo: 160 was just the people in the room. I bet no more that 10 were there interested in the art.
[17:17] <dilomo> probably but how many people are reading the mailing list?
[17:18] <Elf1991> Bye
[17:19] <dilomo> bye
[17:19] <_MMA_> dilomo: Hard to tell. So many people drop off. So many just get the digest.
[17:20] <dilomo> yeah it's hard to determine
[17:21] <thorwil> i think i had cases of 70 hits a day on my blog from posting to the list
[17:22] <dilomo> cool
[17:24] <dilomo> I have to go
[17:24] <dilomo> bbl
[17:38] <thorwil> pukey things make me shine
[17:39]  * _MMA_ shines his puke.
[17:47]  * kwwii is not feeling well, laying down for a while
[17:48] <_MMA_> lightweight
[17:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: So. Whatcha wanna do around here for Jaunty?
[17:54] <DanaG> mmm, gotta love the glitchy windeco on nvidia.  =þ
[17:56] <_MMA_> Got a bug number that says it's more than just your crackful system?
[17:57] <DanaG> can't test right now... backlight inverter on the compiz-capable laptop is dead.  =þ
[17:58] <savvas> so we could mix and crossover jazz jackrabbit and an antilope.. in a yellowish colour :P
[17:58] <DanaG> Mmm, 237 new messages in my gmail, all from the "Firefox shows an EULA!" bug.
[17:58] <savvas> that was bug?
[17:58] <savvas> heh
[17:58] <_MMA_> So it shoulda read "DanaG: mmm, gotta love *my* glitchy windeco on *my* nvidia card.  =þ"
[17:59] <Cimi> the metacity should be improved
[17:59] <savvas> i get the window decolourisation on nvidia too :\
[18:09] <DanaG> And the glitchy buttons....
[18:09] <DanaG> and the missing color except for one triangle all the way across.
[18:11] <Cimi> write a better metacity theme
[18:12] <Cimi> maybe your code could be better
[18:13] <DanaG> Ehh, for now I just live with it.
[18:14] <DanaG> And with my next laptop, I have ATI... so I'll be able to see whether it's just an nvidia issue after all.
[18:14] <DanaG> s/have/will have/
[18:14] <_MMA_> DanaG: That's right. Complain and do nothing. :)
[18:16] <Cimi> but the metacity remains bugged
[18:29] <thorwil> _MMA_: hmm?
[18:29] <thorwil> _MMA_: i thought of combining the jackalope with the playboy bunny for an epic! wallpaper
[18:32] <_MMA_> Cool. But I was asking on a bit more serious note. I have ideas, but don't wanna just do it all myself without input.
[18:32] <_MMA_> Most likely will be what happens, but I wanna give people the chance.
[18:32] <_MMA_> Though they'll still bitch later.
[18:33] <thorwil> _MMA_: well, currently i wonder if i should try to push my project kyudo shortly after the ibex release
[18:34] <_MMA_> thorwil: If you want to push it, I suggest we pull together and start soon. AFAIC, this cycle is over.
[18:36] <thorwil> _MMA_: i failed to say no and hene work on an icon for a mud client. but i should get back to kyudo this week. meanwhile, please feel invited to read it and suggest modifications
[18:36] <thorwil> _MMA_: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/kyudo
[18:36]  * _MMA_ clicks.
[18:38] <_MMA_> thorwil: From what I see, this is heavily reliant on Canonical's involvement. Correct?
[18:40] <thorwil> _MMA_: i just recently tweaked it a bit ... the idea is to run for either 1st or 2nd place. the effort and standards are the same
[18:41] <thorwil> _MMA_: in short: be damn good. i canonical lifts us to default, great, otherwise we just offer what we have anyway :)
[18:41] <_MMA_> thorwil: I would like to have a Skype chat with you and kwwii. Do you, or can you use it?
[18:42] <thorwil> _MMA_: i only used ekiga once
[18:42] <_MMA_> If you have no moral objections, please try it. It's no harder than making a Jabber account IMO.
[18:43] <_MMA_> You'd be surprised how much it's used around Ubuntuland. :)
[18:45] <thorwil> my spoken english sucks donkey balls, though
[18:45] <_MMA_> hahah. It's fine. I heard you on your screencast. :)
[18:46] <_MMA_> Trust me, I've dealt with *way* worse. ;)
[18:50] <_MMA_> thorwil: Also, a cold beer sayz I have Troy back on the list for Jaunty. :)
[18:51] <thorwil> lol
[18:51] <_MMA_> :P
[18:52] <thorwil> chatting with him is both enjoyable and frustrating ;)
[18:53] <_MMA_> Don't I know it. :)
[19:02] <DanaG> Does Skype get along any better with PulseAudio than it used to?
[19:03] <_MMA_> I imagine. Since I can play sound with it. Flash and all. It also quite often comes down to your sound card.
[19:07] <_MMA_> Damn. How do I clone in Inkscape?
[19:07] <thorwil> alt-d
[19:07] <Elf1991> Hello =)
[19:07] <_MMA_> thorwil: Oh killer. Thanx
[19:08] <thorwil> too bad there's no pure shape cloning, allowing to change colours
[19:10] <_MMA_> thorwil: I got this wallpaper with the same object *duplicated* 1390 times. No wonder it's 25MB. :P
[19:10] <thorwil> heh
[19:10] <thorwil> _MMA_: you know about tiled clones?
[19:11] <_MMA_> Heard it. Just havent looked into it yet.
[19:13] <Elf1991> I registred =) (probably)
[19:13] <_MMA_> Elf1991: You did. I saw.
[19:14] <Elf1991> good, but I no log in (((
[19:18] <Elf1991> Boys give links Hyde Gnome design for Linux
[19:27] <andreasn> kwwii: ping
[19:29] <thorwil> andreasn: about 1:40 ago: * kwwii is not feeling well, laying down for a while
[19:29] <andreasn> oh
[19:30] <andreasn> thorwil: have you tried out that sound theme?
[19:30] <andreasn> that kwwii packaged in his ppa
[19:31] <thorwil> andreasn: no. i never use desktop sounds, i enjoy the silence :)
[19:31] <andreasn> well, yeah, I like a silent desktop as well
[19:32]  * _MMA_ has tried it and ships a sound theme with Studio.
[19:32] <Elf_Warrior> I would be over 20 minutes. And give me please documentation (link) for GNOME Desktope
[19:32] <andreasn> there have been suggestions about using the sound theme upstream, so I wanted opinions if people thought it was good or not
[19:32] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: It's not that easy.
[19:33] <_MMA_> andreasn: Doesn't say "GNOME" to me but I do think it fits Ubuntu very well.
[19:34] <Elf_Warrior> xm ... 	I was on it and hoped. And I am Russian =). Russian is not how much.
[19:34] <andreasn> how would you say GNOME sounds like?
[19:34] <_MMA_> andreasn: That's a good question. :)
[19:34] <thorwil> gray and blue with a little strawberry
[19:34] <andreasn> :)
[19:35] <Elf_Warrior> All I went to bathe.
[19:35] <andreasn> I have no idea myself, I tried some sounds called "Cleanus" or something a while ago, but it sounded all Super Mario Bros
[19:35] <_MMA_> 1up!
[19:37] <_MMA_> Here's one for ya.
[19:37] <_MMA_> I got an SVG.
[19:37] <_MMA_> Inkscape svg = 25MB
[19:37] <_MMA_> Inkscape svgz = 8MB
[19:37] <_MMA_> plain svg = 18MB
[19:37] <_MMA_> plain svgz = 2.5MB
[19:37] <_MMA_> WTH?
[19:40] <andreasn> _MMA_: what sound is what?
[19:40] <andreasn> what is sound1, info?
[19:42] <_MMA_> Oh it's been a bit since I looked at it. I'd have to dig them up and I'm working on something atm. I thought they were labeled?
[19:42] <andreasn> well, the startup and shutdown are, but not the others
[19:43] <andreasn> don't let me interrupt if you're in the middle of something
[19:43] <andreasn> I'll try to figure it out
[19:43] <_MMA_> ok. I'll dig 'em up soon.
[19:45] <Elf_Warrior> I am here =)
[19:46] <Elf_Warrior> _MMA_ 	You ïøìó me Hyde?
[19:46] <Elf_Warrior> *give
[19:47] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: I'm sorry. I don't understand what you want.
[19:48] <Elf_Warrior> documentation for disigner for Linux
[19:48] <Elf_Warrior> sorry on Linux
[19:49] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: As I said, it's not that easy. And the language barrier will make it too hard. See if you can get someone to come in here and help.
[19:51] <Elf_Warrior> You know me badly. I am 17 years old are already working art0director. All that easy - I was not smarter.
[19:51] <lucazade> http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html
[19:51] <lucazade> howto for metacity
[19:52] <lucazade> looking for gtk theme howto
[19:52] <lucazade> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
[19:52] <Elf_Warrior> Thank you
[19:52] <lucazade> look at this
[19:53] <lucazade> in gtk themes you should find how to build an interface under gnome
[19:54] <Elf_Warrior> OOOO!!!! This is CSS style !!!!!!
[19:54] <lucazade> let us know your progress in theming!
[19:54] <_MMA_> PLEASE!!!!!  STOP!!!!! ALL!!!! THE!!!! PUNCTUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:55] <lucazade> :D lol
[19:55] <Elf_Warrior> lucazade sure =)
[19:58] <Elf_Warrior> AAAAAA lol. Creating theme - CSS style !!!!!! This is very easy !!! Very Very !!!!!
[19:59] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: I'm not kidding. I don't want to kick you out the channel.
[20:00] <Elf_Warrior> You can question? For what?
[20:00] <_MMA_> Stop this -> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????? <- To much.
[20:00] <_MMA_> People don't speak like this.
[20:01] <Elf_Warrior> ... sorryþ We are on the other. People like when the text escht emotions
[20:02] <_MMA_> Not here.
[20:02] <Elf_Warrior> maby
[20:02] <_MMA_> No. Don't do it.
[20:02] <Elf_Warrior> OK
[20:03] <Elf_Warrior> Why write so few people?
[20:03] <thorwil> we are busy
[20:28] <_MMA_> So someone doesn't get anal...
[20:40] <Elf_Warrior> To some help with painting?
[20:45] <_MMA_> Nice: http://www.linux.com/feature/147173
[20:46] <andreasn> cool
[20:46] <_MMA_> I know I got a couple of old PS plugins laying around I'd like to use.
[20:49] <Elf_Warrior> And I'm not friends with GIMP ((
[23:13] <_MMA_> This would have helped many around here as I know I've see this question alot. http://registry.gimp.org/node/9036