=== DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [02:29] hi, is it known which theme will be the default for intrepid? [10:05] good morning world [10:06] morning carciofo [10:09] ah [10:09] hi [10:09] just about trying screencast [10:12] what do the ubuntu artwork? [10:12] what kind of artworks? [10:24] such as digital artwort i guess :- ) [15:23] kwwii, firefox patch [15:34] Cimi: he [15:34] erm [15:34] hey [15:34] Cimi: not sure I understand what you mena [15:35] and I definitely cannot type today [15:36] kwwii, you asked me to remember you to ping a developer to ask if he would have patched firefox in order to add rounded entry [15:36] ahhh, right...I'll bug asac now [15:37] jolt my memory here...there is a patch available and we need to get the firefox maintainer to apply it? [15:37] the patch landed in 3.1 trunk, but I guess it should work for 3.0 [15:38] ahh, right [15:38] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=332569 [15:38] there's the patch [15:39] kwwii, the reason why I have changed "style" to "profile" is that I want to be able to add a real "style" option in the future: for example to manage a totally new style [15:40] (in murrine's code) [15:41] the actual *styles*, renamed to *profile = ...* are based to the murrine rendering code, they pass some gradients and options to the murrine code. they are not a real new style [15:43] Cimi: sounds like a very good idea [15:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: You're needed in -devel. [15:44] Cimi: do you have a link to the whole bug and not just the patch? [15:45] yeah [15:46] kwwii, so to make your theme compatible with the latest subversion just remove the "style = MURRINE" from your gtkrc [15:46] _MMA_, too [15:46] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405421 [15:46] Mozilla bug 405421 in Widget: Gtk "Ensure our widget painting is transparent for themes that support it" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:47] Cimi: erm, this will effect a lot of themes I guess [15:47] kwwii, no [15:47] kwwii, just your theme [15:48] style = MURRINE was introduced in the SVN, so there should be only your theme that needs to be fixed [15:48] hey guys [15:49] Cimi: hehe, cool [15:50] Cimi: I'll remove that when I update the theme in a day or two [15:50] anybody knows how to overlap images in metacity theme? [15:50] like that : http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=89997_Jonined_122_801lo.jpg [15:50] dilomo, metacity should not use pixmaps [15:51] who said that? [15:51] if it is easier to do [15:51] why not use images? [15:52] because, and even benzea said to you, they *sucks* [15:52] and for example, given the bugged compiz+nvidia [15:52] you'll lose window borders and fail under a lor of artifacts [15:53] just try pixmap themes with compiz [15:53] well I'm using pixmaps only for the buttons [15:53] oh then it should be ok [15:54] anyway [15:54] you can't overlap [15:54] so back to the question: how can I overlap button images? [15:54] that sucks [15:54] :) [15:55] overlapping is not necessary [15:55] maybe it should be more useful to manage the different layouts [15:55] so you can have different images when you have only minimaze and close [15:56] and different images with all the buttons [15:56] you'll achieve what you want without overlapping [15:56] that means a better code [15:56] but is how is that possible? explain [15:56] i don't think it is possible [15:57] how do I do these layouts? [15:57] I've just said it should be better if metacity would support layourts rather than overlapping [15:57] ok [15:58] I'm not sure but maybe you can do this too [15:59] now [15:59] try to read frames [15:59] in the metacity.xml [15:59] you can manage different layout for utility ...... [16:00] is there a way to detect if only close button will appear because [16:00] only then I need different image for the button [16:01] I can't help you, I'm busy till october [16:01] no I will need more checks to do that [16:01] but *maybe* [16:02] if you run metacity-theme-viewer [16:02] you can see how *dialogs* have no minimize button [16:02] so you can play with it [16:03] ok thanks for the tip [16:14] there is one case when the window has fixed size and cannot be maximized [16:14] that breaks everything I might make [16:23] I found a way to do it. [16:24] well [16:32] Hi people [16:33] who is Russia ?? [16:34] gays !!?!! [16:34] No, the Russia isn't the gays. [16:34] * _MMA_ is gay. [16:35] cody-somerville are from Russia ?? [16:36] * _MMA_ tries despreatly to think of a "In Soviet Russia..." joke. [16:36] Áëèí êòî Ðóññêèé çíàåò à ? [16:36] <_MMA_> Elf1991: You asked. Nobody said "yes" SO there's your answer. [16:37] Chert [16:37] <_MMA_> And the over-use of punctuation will get you nowhere. It's just annoying. [16:37] sorry [16:39] Designer I work here and want to help as nebud. [16:39] <_MMA_> Join the mailing list. http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Help where you can. [16:40] <_MMA_> Elf1991: Do you have a portfolio? A place that shows your work? [16:40] Sorry for my bad English [16:40] I'm 3D modeller [16:41] I was not portfolio. But I can find elaborating [16:41] :) [16:41] <_MMA_> Do you have examples of your work? [16:41] <_MMA_> Link us. [16:42] sure [16:44] I just made the fish (which lasted 2 - 3 hours). I'm game developer. Allrigth now upload [16:47] http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6495/finishfishtj9.jpg - this is my work, but 30% my opportunities [16:51] http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/1315/002vs3.png - this is one of the machines for the mini-games (not smarter) [16:53] As you? [16:55] <_MMA_> I don't understand. [16:55] Do you like my work? [16:56] _MMA_ : he means this is one of the cars [16:56] <_MMA_> It's kind of small and hard to see. [16:56] because mashina in russian means car [16:57] yes =) [16:57] <_MMA_> I see. [16:57] so Elf1991 do you have some bigger rendering? [16:57] I'm have big view but he on work [16:57] can you make 3D cursors? [16:58] yes sure [16:58] I'm game developer [16:59] cursors this is very easy for my [16:59] can you make a preview of pointer that is modern and new [16:59] for the future Ubuntu version? [17:00] yes I'm designer [17:00] btw I'm Anton nice to meet you [17:00] I'm from Bulgaria [17:01] cool [17:01] Iliy [17:01] ? [17:02] My name is Ilya [17:02] I seldom write to English [17:02] (((( [17:02] I understand [17:02] =) [17:03] I happen =) [17:03] You will learn as you type more and more [17:03] sure I have a little time now, Sun Work, work === CimiDS is now known as Cimi [17:04] as _MMA_ said you should join the mailing list [17:05] to have all news and discussions [17:06] sure I'm register through 2 as the clock come home [17:06] Отлично [17:07] ÎÎÎ òû ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèøü =) [17:07] Ãóä [17:07] However I was trying to say good job [17:07] in Russian [17:09] Why good? I'm not undestand ((( [17:10] Good because when you go home you will register to the mailing list [17:11] AAAA yes yes. How many members our team ?? [17:12] well there are many ppl out there. [17:12] I have a team that has 11 or so members [17:13] at the art-meeting we were around 160 [17:14] xm ... allright [17:15] Well, all I went home. See you through the clock - two. Before the emergency meeting. [17:16] <_MMA_> dilomo: 160 was just the people in the room. I bet no more that 10 were there interested in the art. [17:17] probably but how many people are reading the mailing list? [17:18] Bye [17:19] bye [17:19] <_MMA_> dilomo: Hard to tell. So many people drop off. So many just get the digest. [17:20] yeah it's hard to determine [17:21] i think i had cases of 70 hits a day on my blog from posting to the list [17:22] cool [17:24] I have to go [17:24] bbl [17:38] pukey things make me shine [17:39] * _MMA_ shines his puke. [17:47] * kwwii is not feeling well, laying down for a while [17:48] <_MMA_> lightweight [17:48] <_MMA_> thorwil: So. Whatcha wanna do around here for Jaunty? [17:54] mmm, gotta love the glitchy windeco on nvidia. =þ [17:56] <_MMA_> Got a bug number that says it's more than just your crackful system? [17:57] can't test right now... backlight inverter on the compiz-capable laptop is dead. =þ [17:58] so we could mix and crossover jazz jackrabbit and an antilope.. in a yellowish colour :P [17:58] Mmm, 237 new messages in my gmail, all from the "Firefox shows an EULA!" bug. [17:58] that was bug? [17:58] heh [17:58] <_MMA_> So it shoulda read "DanaG: mmm, gotta love *my* glitchy windeco on *my* nvidia card. =þ" [17:59] the metacity should be improved [17:59] i get the window decolourisation on nvidia too :\ [18:09] And the glitchy buttons.... [18:09] and the missing color except for one triangle all the way across. [18:11] write a better metacity theme [18:12] maybe your code could be better [18:13] Ehh, for now I just live with it. [18:14] And with my next laptop, I have ATI... so I'll be able to see whether it's just an nvidia issue after all. [18:14] s/have/will have/ [18:14] <_MMA_> DanaG: That's right. Complain and do nothing. :) [18:16] but the metacity remains bugged [18:29] _MMA_: hmm? [18:29] _MMA_: i thought of combining the jackalope with the playboy bunny for an epic! wallpaper [18:32] <_MMA_> Cool. But I was asking on a bit more serious note. I have ideas, but don't wanna just do it all myself without input. [18:32] <_MMA_> Most likely will be what happens, but I wanna give people the chance. [18:32] <_MMA_> Though they'll still bitch later. [18:33] _MMA_: well, currently i wonder if i should try to push my project kyudo shortly after the ibex release [18:34] <_MMA_> thorwil: If you want to push it, I suggest we pull together and start soon. AFAIC, this cycle is over. [18:36] _MMA_: i failed to say no and hene work on an icon for a mud client. but i should get back to kyudo this week. meanwhile, please feel invited to read it and suggest modifications [18:36] _MMA_: https://code.launchpad.net/~t-w-/+junk/kyudo [18:36] * _MMA_ clicks. [18:38] <_MMA_> thorwil: From what I see, this is heavily reliant on Canonical's involvement. Correct? [18:40] _MMA_: i just recently tweaked it a bit ... the idea is to run for either 1st or 2nd place. the effort and standards are the same [18:41] _MMA_: in short: be damn good. i canonical lifts us to default, great, otherwise we just offer what we have anyway :) [18:41] <_MMA_> thorwil: I would like to have a Skype chat with you and kwwii. Do you, or can you use it? [18:42] _MMA_: i only used ekiga once [18:42] <_MMA_> If you have no moral objections, please try it. It's no harder than making a Jabber account IMO. [18:43] <_MMA_> You'd be surprised how much it's used around Ubuntuland. :) [18:45] my spoken english sucks donkey balls, though [18:45] <_MMA_> hahah. It's fine. I heard you on your screencast. :) [18:46] <_MMA_> Trust me, I've dealt with *way* worse. ;) [18:50] <_MMA_> thorwil: Also, a cold beer sayz I have Troy back on the list for Jaunty. :) [18:51] lol [18:51] <_MMA_> :P [18:52] chatting with him is both enjoyable and frustrating ;) [18:53] <_MMA_> Don't I know it. :) [19:02] Does Skype get along any better with PulseAudio than it used to? [19:03] <_MMA_> I imagine. Since I can play sound with it. Flash and all. It also quite often comes down to your sound card. [19:07] <_MMA_> Damn. How do I clone in Inkscape? [19:07] alt-d [19:07] Hello =) [19:07] <_MMA_> thorwil: Oh killer. Thanx [19:08] too bad there's no pure shape cloning, allowing to change colours [19:10] <_MMA_> thorwil: I got this wallpaper with the same object *duplicated* 1390 times. No wonder it's 25MB. :P [19:10] heh [19:10] _MMA_: you know about tiled clones? [19:11] <_MMA_> Heard it. Just havent looked into it yet. [19:13] I registred =) (probably) [19:13] <_MMA_> Elf1991: You did. I saw. [19:14] good, but I no log in ((( [19:18] Boys give links Hyde Gnome design for Linux === Elf1991 is now known as Elf_Warrior [19:27] kwwii: ping [19:29] andreasn: about 1:40 ago: * kwwii is not feeling well, laying down for a while [19:29] oh [19:30] thorwil: have you tried out that sound theme? [19:30] that kwwii packaged in his ppa [19:31] andreasn: no. i never use desktop sounds, i enjoy the silence :) [19:31] well, yeah, I like a silent desktop as well [19:32] * _MMA_ has tried it and ships a sound theme with Studio. [19:32] I would be over 20 minutes. And give me please documentation (link) for GNOME Desktope [19:32] there have been suggestions about using the sound theme upstream, so I wanted opinions if people thought it was good or not [19:32] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: It's not that easy. [19:33] <_MMA_> andreasn: Doesn't say "GNOME" to me but I do think it fits Ubuntu very well. [19:34] xm ... I was on it and hoped. And I am Russian =). Russian is not how much. [19:34] how would you say GNOME sounds like? [19:34] <_MMA_> andreasn: That's a good question. :) [19:34] gray and blue with a little strawberry [19:34] :) [19:35] All I went to bathe. [19:35] I have no idea myself, I tried some sounds called "Cleanus" or something a while ago, but it sounded all Super Mario Bros [19:35] <_MMA_> 1up! [19:37] <_MMA_> Here's one for ya. [19:37] <_MMA_> I got an SVG. [19:37] <_MMA_> Inkscape svg = 25MB [19:37] <_MMA_> Inkscape svgz = 8MB [19:37] <_MMA_> plain svg = 18MB [19:37] <_MMA_> plain svgz = 2.5MB [19:37] <_MMA_> WTH? [19:40] _MMA_: what sound is what? [19:40] what is sound1, info? [19:42] <_MMA_> Oh it's been a bit since I looked at it. I'd have to dig them up and I'm working on something atm. I thought they were labeled? [19:42] well, the startup and shutdown are, but not the others [19:43] don't let me interrupt if you're in the middle of something [19:43] I'll try to figure it out [19:43] <_MMA_> ok. I'll dig 'em up soon. [19:45] I am here =) [19:46] _MMA_ You ïøìó me Hyde? [19:46] *give [19:47] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: I'm sorry. I don't understand what you want. [19:48] documentation for disigner for Linux [19:48] sorry on Linux [19:49] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: As I said, it's not that easy. And the language barrier will make it too hard. See if you can get someone to come in here and help. [19:51] You know me badly. I am 17 years old are already working art0director. All that easy - I was not smarter. [19:51] http://developer.gnome.org/doc/tutorials/metacity/metacity-themes.html [19:51] howto for metacity [19:52] looking for gtk theme howto [19:52] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials [19:52] Thank you [19:52] look at this [19:53] in gtk themes you should find how to build an interface under gnome [19:54] OOOO!!!! This is CSS style !!!!!! [19:54] let us know your progress in theming! [19:54] <_MMA_> PLEASE!!!!! STOP!!!!! ALL!!!! THE!!!! PUNCTUATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:55] :D lol [19:55] lucazade sure =) [19:58] AAAAAA lol. Creating theme - CSS style !!!!!! This is very easy !!! Very Very !!!!! [19:59] <_MMA_> Elf_Warrior: I'm not kidding. I don't want to kick you out the channel. [20:00] You can question? For what? [20:00] <_MMA_> Stop this -> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????? <- To much. [20:00] <_MMA_> People don't speak like this. [20:01] ... sorryþ We are on the other. People like when the text escht emotions [20:02] <_MMA_> Not here. [20:02] maby [20:02] <_MMA_> No. Don't do it. [20:02] OK [20:03] Why write so few people? [20:03] we are busy === _MMA_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for the community artwork team | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art | Question: Who are we? What do we do? Chime in on the mailing list topics. [20:28] <_MMA_> So someone doesn't get anal... === _MMA_ changed the topic of #ubuntu-artwork to: Channel for the community artwork team | Wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art | Questions: Who are we? What do we do? Chime in on the mailing list topics. [20:40] To some help with painting? [20:45] <_MMA_> Nice: http://www.linux.com/feature/147173 [20:46] cool [20:46] <_MMA_> I know I got a couple of old PS plugins laying around I'd like to use. [20:49] And I'm not friends with GIMP (( [23:13] <_MMA_> This would have helped many around here as I know I've see this question alot. http://registry.gimp.org/node/9036