[00:47] <mscottputman> HI!  I'm moving over from Windows to Ubuntu and there's only one thing holding me back.  I used a dual-monitors setup with Windows and cannot get Ubuntu to work properly with it.  It clones easily, but I want it to extend instead.  I have been using "Screens and Graphics" to tweak things, but it hasn't worked.  I'm running on an Intel 845 and the monitor is an HP w17e on Ubuntu Hardy Heron
[00:55] <mscottputman> #ubuntu-helpteam
[00:55] <mscottputman> HI!  I'm moving over from Windows to Ubuntu and there's only one thing holding me back.  I used a dual-monitors setup with Windows and cannot get Ubuntu to work properly with it.  It clones easily, but I want it to extend instead.  I have been using "Screens and Graphics" to tweak things, but it hasn't worked.  I'm running on an Intel 845 and the monitor is an HP w17e on Ubuntu Hardy Heron
[09:10] <huats> morning everyone !
[09:14] <seb128> lut huats
[09:14] <huats> hey seb128
[09:30] <glatzor> morning mvo!
[09:31] <glatzor> mvo, packagekit now supports running a distro upgrade hook in the user's desktop session
[09:31] <glatzor> mvo, which command would be best? do-release-upgrade -m desktop?
[09:32] <glatzor> mvo, would be nice to have an import gtk try and error to find the corresponding frontend automatically
[10:04] <mvo> glatzor: re upgrade tool: yes, run that for now
[10:05] <mvo> glatzor: we should probably add something that shows the initial download with a GUI, but it should be good for now
[10:10] <gicmo> seb128: morning
[10:10] <seb128> hey hey gicmo!
[10:10] <seb128> how are you?
[10:11] <gicmo> I think I am catching a cold
[10:11] <gicmo> and I am a bit worried about gvfs' state
[10:11] <seb128> :-(
[10:11]  * seb128 hugs gicmo
[10:12]  * gicmo hugs seb128 back
[10:12] <gicmo> I need to fix http, which involves a lot of code change
[10:12] <seb128> gicmo: alex seems to be coming back, he said he will try fix this gtk fileselector crasher thing today
[10:12] <gicmo> not much tume
[10:12] <gicmo> time
[10:13] <gicmo> and then we have this stupid gvfsd-trash heisenbug
[10:13] <seb128> it's not only gvfsd-trash
[10:13] <seb128> but that's the most noticable because that the one everybody is running
[10:13] <gicmo> seb128: sigh
[10:14] <seb128> did you try to mail alex about it? maybe he has some good idea ;-)
[10:14] <gicmo> seb128: that monitor split was a bit ... well
[10:14] <seb128> right, my opinion too
[10:14] <gicmo> seb128: I will in a few secs, mabe I can convince him to log into IRC even ;-)
[10:14] <seb128> and I'm not sure to understand what it brings exactly
[10:15]  * gicmo nods
[10:15] <gicmo> well the idea is that basically you only have once process per session doing the HAL foo and the monitoring of /etc/fstab
[10:15] <gicmo> which indeed is a good diea
[10:15] <gicmo> idea
[10:16] <gicmo> not nautilus + the file selector + anybody interested in volume changes
[10:16] <seb128> right
[10:17] <seb128> let's say the implementation is not perfect yet then ;-)
[10:23] <gicmo> seb128: quite that, yes ;-)
[10:33] <gicmo> This bug has 102 duplicates
[10:33] <gicmo> ups
[10:37] <seb128> hey NCommander
[10:37] <NCommander> seb128: hey seb128
[10:38] <seb128> NCommander: any news about gtkmm? ;-)
[10:38] <NCommander> seb128: didn't I give that to you?
[10:38] <seb128> gicmo: waouh, alex commited to svn ;-)
[10:38]  * NCommander remembers giving you the debdiff
[10:39] <seb128> NCommander: I didn't get it if you did, and that's why using we use bugs for sponsoring ;-)
[10:39] <NCommander> seb128: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/revu1-incoming/gtkmm2.4-0809112350/gtkmm2.4_2.13.8-0ubuntu1.dsc - I had the brains to save a backup before I wiped my HDD :-)
[10:40] <gicmo> seb128: woho!
[10:42] <seb128> gicmo: he just commited to trunk though, stupid earlier split for this cdtext thing
[10:43] <gicmo> yeah
[10:43] <gicmo> tell hadess about that
[10:43] <gicmo> I got angry
[10:43] <gicmo> nobody asked me about that
[10:43] <gicmo> redhatters doing what they want
[10:44] <seb128> right
[10:46] <gicmo> seb128: I will make sure it gets into stable
[10:48] <seb128> gicmo: thanks
[12:17] <andreasn> mpt: hi! do you have a moment to take a peek at a brasero bug?
[12:37] <mpt> andreasn, sure
[12:40] <andreasn> mpt: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=551938
[12:42]  * mpt realizes that nautilus-cd-burner's equivalent dialog has a useless "Information" header
[12:44] <mpt> andreasn, +1 to your suggestions
[12:45] <mpt> I don't have anything else to say :-)
[12:45] <andreasn> ok, thanks!
[13:03] <seb128> hello pedro__
[13:03] <pedro__> salut seb128!
[13:03] <pedro__> mm why i'm having a double _
[13:07] <seb128> mvo: hum, bug #261990
[13:07] <mvo> seb128: yes, see my "needinfo" there
[13:08] <seb128> mvo: I was going to say that 2.6.1-0ubuntu7.4 is not an ubuntu version but that's a security update version so ignore that ;-)
[13:08] <mvo> seb128: I suspect local corruption, but it might be something really strange with the upload :)
[13:08] <mvo> seb128: aha, ok. my first impuls on the version number was "invalid, not us" but rmadison convinced me otherwise :)
[13:10] <seb128> mvo: I'm ready to bet that's another case where the issue is not a package one though ;-)
[13:10] <mvo> local corruption I think
[13:11] <mvo> I have seen a lot of this today, strnge, must mean that the normal bugs are almost all gone :P
[13:11] <seb128> ;-)
[13:12] <mvo> maybe we need a component "dubios-reports" or so :)
[13:12] <seb128> mvo: btw there is something weird going on with gconf, we got several bugs since your uploads
[13:12] <seb128> mvo: does gconf create the new directory if you try to write system defaults and it doesn't exist?
[13:13] <mvo> the directoy is included in the new gconf
[13:13] <seb128> mvo: is it possible that some people tried your new "set system default" button before getting the new gconf which creates the dir using the right permissions?
[13:13] <mvo> yes, that makes sense
[13:13] <seb128> ok, will ask that on the bug
[13:13] <mvo> if the dir is not there, it seems to be created with 0700 permissions
[13:14] <mvo> I will update the dependency and add a version
[13:15] <seb128> thanks
[13:29] <mvo> seb128: do you have a bugnumber for me to close?
[13:29] <seb128> mvo: no, bug #269215 might be due to it but that's just a guess at the moment I asked on the bug
[13:30] <mvo> thanks
[13:30] <mvo> I commited a gconf2-common (>= latest-in-ubuntu) dep now
[13:31] <seb128> thank you
[13:31] <mvo> thanks
[13:53] <seb128> NCommander: you are being too lazy to describe your changes in the changelog now? ;-)
[13:53] <NCommander> I didn't?
[13:53]  * NCommander explodes from overwork
[13:54] <seb128> NCommander: not the shver update and the build requirements update
[13:54] <NCommander> argh
[13:54] <NCommander> I'll respin it
[13:54] <seb128> thanks
[14:18] <seb128> NCommander: so?
[14:18] <NCommander> seb128: sorry, was respinning a samba4 patch
[14:18]  * NCommander is currently multitasking
[14:19] <seb128> NCommander: I'll sponsor the other one don't bother
[14:19] <NCommander> seb128: I'm going to be a little busy this coming week, so I don't think I can handle any more updates for a little big
[14:19] <james_w> thanks seb128
[14:20] <seb128> james_w: you're welcome, keep up the good work you are doing ;-)
[14:20] <james_w> I'll try :-)
[14:57] <pedro_> seb128: do you know if the retracers are working?
[14:57] <seb128> pedro_: the machine where they are running is moving between datacenters
[14:57] <pedro_> seb128: ok!, thanks you
[14:57] <seb128> no problem
[14:58] <seb128> pedro_: and the 8.04 retracers are still not fixed
[14:58] <seb128> the intrepid ones should be back soon though
[15:58] <mvo> is it just me or do you see bug #269805 with metacity too (in addition to compiz?)
[16:00] <pochu> mvo: yeah, I see it here with metacity
[16:01]  * mvo nods - thanks
[16:25] <pochu> mvo: btw, I have metacity's compositing manager enabled, in case that matters
[16:46] <seb128> mpt: hi
[16:47] <seb128> mpt: the gnome-session alignment issues are icons variant not available in the human theme
[16:47] <seb128> mpt: do you think we should use the icons gnome-session was using in hardy?
[16:59] <tedg> seb128: I believe that mpt went home with a bad headache.
[16:59] <seb128> tedg: ok, no hurry anyway, thanks for letting me know
[17:03] <andreasn> seb128: I thought things were just scaled up ()
[17:03] <andreasn> seb128: I thought things were just scaled up (badly) if a bigger size was missing
[17:03] <seb128> andreasn: they are not, look at the session dialogs
[17:03] <andreasn> guess it's just the other way around (scale big one down if small is missing)
[20:57] <nxvl> is there any package with gtk for bash?