[00:07] anyone here? [00:07] question about ubuntu studio [00:15] what do I need in the preseed.cfg file so edubuntu is installed? I keep getting a terminal [00:15] even though i have: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop [00:17] hi all, I'm working on this problem with my ubuntu 8.04.1 ltsp install. it's the "ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device" bug, with the Marvell/Sky2 eth controller. if I put in a 2nd Realtek PCI eth controller, the client boots fine. but I can't get the client to PXEboot from the Realtek. can anyone here help? [00:17] responseded: snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code [00:18] snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code [00:19] But my ltsp server boots fine, and from the server I always type these commands to update the ltsp-image: [00:19] 8 sudo ltsp-update-kernels [00:19] 9 sudo ltsp-update-image [00:19] 10 sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys [00:22] plus I have this file: /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko [01:56] anyone here who can help me with ltsp client boot? [03:56] Ok, just so I get this straight...d/l ubuntu, install it, then d/l the edubuntu addition and install that. Do I understand that correctly? [04:54] Evening all [05:07] Hey sbalneav [05:16] Hello RickZilla [05:16] are you an edubuntu user? [05:16] I'm a user and developer. [05:18] Just started using ubuntu this week, I'd like to see what edubuntu is all about [05:20] It's a collection of education applications in addition to all the regular great stuff in Ubuntu. [05:20] Plus, thin client computing. That's the bit I work on. [05:21] I'd like to see what our licensing budget is for this year...it'd be nice if our district could save some bucks on that by switching to open source [05:23] Hard to beat free :) [05:24] Yep...I've been using GIMP and Wordpress for quite a while, I would consider those high quality software [05:25] Are you an educator as well? [05:27] No, I'm a systems administrator for Legal Aid Manitoba [05:27] But I've been involved with Linux for years and years [05:29] That would be a cool gig...I've decided in my next life I'd like to be an educational technology specialist :-) === Loto__ is now known as Loto === Loto is now known as Loto__ === Loto__ is now known as Loto [15:26] Morning all [16:39] ogra: looks like I managed to get edubuntu-addon-meta using seeds correctly [16:39] * ogra applauds [16:40] ogra: I added .desktop file for edubuntu-addon-{kde,youth,science} as well [16:40] so in the installer they show up in the "Edubuntu desktop" category, just to give people a GUI option for getting those [16:40] cool [16:41] used your popcon grabber to add popcon data in [16:41] heh [16:41] popcon is so moot :) [16:42] so with that, rasmol, denemo, kverbos, kvoctrain, and keduca are gone [16:42] and marble, parley, step, and kalgebra are in [16:42] great [16:43] I'm not going to be on IRC much as I really am hitting deadlines with my PhD [16:43] You won't be around tomorrow, then? [16:43] but I have a couple more tweaks to do to get the meta packages the way I want them [16:43] sbalneav: I'm gonna try to pop in but at this point I'm not sure how long I'll be around [16:43] sbalneav: but I should be fairly responsive to email (including some bugmail) [16:43] * ogra is travelling tomorrom [16:44] LaserJock: No problem, I'll handle things tomorrow. [16:45] LaserJock: Can you change the title of the irc? [16:45] It would be helpful if you could just pop in for 2 seconds and note that it's triage day. [16:45] for the metapackages what I have left are 1) use Recommends for edubuntu-desktop 2) make sure the addon-installer menu is good (missing icons and menu items in the wrong place) and 3) make sure the KDE apps have everything they need to run properly in Gnome === LaserJock changed the topic of #edubuntu to: LTSP Triage Day: Sept. 17th, see http://tinyurl.com/55pfcj || Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | 8.04 (hardy heron) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download grab it while its hot !!! [17:04] sbalneav: ^^ === ogra changed the topic of #edubuntu to: LTSP Triage Day: Sept. 17th, see http://tinyurl.com/55pfcj || Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | 8.04 (hardy heron) is released, see http://www.edubuntu.org/Download [17:05] not actually "hot" anymore :) [17:05] !help [17:05] Hi! I'm #edubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [17:05] hi [17:08] sbalneav, btw, feature freeze is over, fixes need to go into the packaging or we need exceptions [17:10] ok [17:10] Michiel__: Hello [17:10] sbalneav: hello [17:10] Fritz87: hello [17:10] I am eghie by the way [17:10] my eghie is a ghost for now [17:10] client crash and stuff ;) [17:12] I am writing a proposal for a course I'm taking that I plan on presenting at my work (I work for the tech department of a local school district) [17:13] and was wondering if there are any alternatives to linux terminal service project for lets say, an entire huge school district [17:13] because from what i've seen so far from people I've spoken with there is lots of room for improvement [17:13] LTSP and DRBL and Nomachine NX are 3 I know [17:14] thanks I'll check those out [17:14] although, you need to build a distro around Nomachine NX [17:14] yeh, thats only a single app [17:14] but you can use the LTSP client distro to intergrate Nomachine NX client for example [17:15] and DRBL isnt installable side by side with LTSP ... [17:15] afaik === Michiel__ is now known as Eghie [17:15] it isnt integrated with the distro as deep as LTSP is [17:16] ogra: with distro you mean the client or the server? [17:17] ?? [17:17] ubuntu [17:17] because, LTSP isn't that far intergrated in the server distro, I guess [17:17] it's portable [17:17] sure [17:17] no [17:17] LTSP not portable? [17:17] ltsp4 was [17:17] ltsp5 isnt by design [17:18] the client is built using the servers tools [17:18] hmm, yeah, that is true [17:18] unless you run suse that somewhat voilates all policies we have made for ltsp5 [17:19] they have a fixed image that gets installed as package afaik [17:19] ok [17:19] which is somewhat like going back to ltsp 4.x [17:19] yeah, that's correct [17:20] I see what you mean === calimer-- is now known as calimer [17:22] what are the current problems with LTSP? People tell me its less than ideal on a very large scale, but I havent really found anything suggesting that [17:24] Fritz87: LTSP is often used with Gnome [17:24] and Gnome has some process which have a habit to stay running after the user logs off [17:24] ahhh I see [17:25] are people working on a solution for that? [17:25] but using another Window Manager will solve that problem [17:25] oh okay [17:25] or just adding some script bits [17:25] so if you installed the edubuntu packages to kubuntu, that would work? [17:25] for example yes [17:25] well, you need edubuntu-kde for that [17:25] although there will be running some gnome processes maybe [17:25] ah i see [17:26] the normal edubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop [17:26] see the bottom of this page for example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP [17:26] i'm going for some diner i guess [17:26] later [17:27] cya [17:27] and thanks for the link [17:27] i cant wait to finish this proposal, im writing 2 [17:27] one for the school district which is unlikely to succede, and the other targeted at a specific teacher that gets fudniing to experiment with this kind of stuff [17:27] Fritz87, for large deployments you should talk to stgraber btw [17:27] he works on clustering support for multiple ltsp servers [17:28] thanks I will [17:31] looks like I have a lot of research to do, I'm not very qualified for the job, but its something i really care about, you know what i mean? [17:31] open source schools [17:33] Fritz87: gotta start somewhere, regarding being "qualified" :-) [17:34] yeah =) [17:34] I'm just a part time summer employee for the tech department in the school district in question while I'm going to school for an economics degree [17:35] nice [17:35] I might even get to write a paper for credit and get support from the rutgers writing program [17:36] so I think i really have a shot at making a difference if things work out [17:37] writing a proposal and making a powerpoint presentation for the tech department, at least thats the plan [17:38] and plan b is this classroom of the future program [18:17] gnome-watchdog does a good job at analysing misbehaving processes and killing them [19:59] hi, sry but I cant see in the download section (edubuntu.org) wich cds i have to download in order to get a thin client? for terminal server ubuntu alternate + add on, right? [20:10] wanne: Yes [20:24] thx, cu [21:30] * Lns thinks we might be on the verge of figuring out the Firefox 3.x / LTSP bug [21:30] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704#c8 [21:30] Mozilla bug 453704 in General "Extreme slowness, "Firefox is already running" error for >3 users launching Firefox in LTSP environment" [Critical,Unconfirmed] [21:33] Lns: thanks for the nice debugging :) that should help [21:34] Eghie: yw =) My pleasure. FYI I'm in irc.mozilla.org/#firefox w/mzz right now trying to nail it [21:35] will monitor it === calimer- is now known as calimer