[00:07] <BBLake> anyone here?
[00:07] <BBLake> question about ubuntu studio
[00:15] <Goosemoose> what do I need in the preseed.cfg file so edubuntu is installed? I keep getting a terminal
[00:15] <Goosemoose> even though i have: tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard, edubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <snaphappi> hi all, I'm working on this problem with my ubuntu 8.04.1 ltsp install. it's the "ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device"  bug, with the Marvell/Sky2 eth controller.  if I put in a 2nd Realtek PCI eth controller, the client boots fine. but I can't get the client to PXEboot from the Realtek. can anyone here help?
 responseded: snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code
 snaphappi, might be that the sky2 module is missing from initramfs's netboot code
[00:19] <snaphappi> But my ltsp server boots fine, and from the server I always type these commands to update the ltsp-image:
[00:19] <snaphappi>     8  sudo ltsp-update-kernels
[00:19] <snaphappi>     9  sudo ltsp-update-image
[00:19] <snaphappi>    10  sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[00:22] <snaphappi> plus I have this file: /opt/ltsp/i386/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko
[01:56] <snaphappi> anyone here who can help me with ltsp client boot?
[03:56] <RickZilla> Ok, just so I get this straight...d/l ubuntu, install it, then d/l the edubuntu addition and install that.  Do I understand that correctly?
[04:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:07] <RickZilla> Hey sbalneav
[05:16] <sbalneav> Hello RickZilla
[05:16] <RickZilla> are you an edubuntu user?
[05:16] <sbalneav> I'm a user and developer.
[05:18] <RickZilla> Just started using ubuntu this week, I'd like to see what edubuntu is all about
[05:20] <sbalneav> It's a collection of education applications in addition to all the regular great stuff in Ubuntu.
[05:20] <sbalneav> Plus, thin client computing.  That's the bit I work on.
[05:21] <RickZilla> I'd like to see what our licensing budget is for this year...it'd be nice if our district could save some bucks on that by switching to open source
[05:23] <sbalneav> Hard to beat free :)
[05:24] <RickZilla> Yep...I've been using GIMP and Wordpress for quite a while, I would consider those high quality software
[05:25] <RickZilla> Are you an educator as well?
[05:27] <sbalneav> No, I'm a systems administrator for Legal Aid Manitoba
[05:27] <sbalneav> But I've been involved with Linux for years and years
[05:29] <RickZilla> That would be a cool gig...I've decided in my next life I'd like to be an educational technology specialist :-)
[15:26] <sbalneav> Morning all
[16:39] <LaserJock> ogra: looks like I managed to get edubuntu-addon-meta using seeds correctly
[16:39]  * ogra applauds
[16:40] <LaserJock> ogra: I added .desktop file for edubuntu-addon-{kde,youth,science} as well
[16:40] <LaserJock> so in the installer they show up in the "Edubuntu desktop" category, just to give people a GUI option for getting those
[16:40] <ogra> cool
[16:41] <LaserJock> used your popcon grabber to add popcon data in
[16:41] <ogra> heh
[16:41] <ogra> popcon is so moot :)
[16:42] <LaserJock> so with that, rasmol, denemo, kverbos, kvoctrain, and keduca are gone
[16:42] <LaserJock> and marble, parley, step, and kalgebra are in
[16:42] <ogra> great
[16:43] <LaserJock> I'm not going to be on IRC much as I really am hitting deadlines with my PhD
[16:43] <sbalneav> You won't be around tomorrow, then?
[16:43] <LaserJock> but I have a couple more tweaks to do to get the meta packages the way I want them
[16:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I'm gonna try to pop in but at this point I'm not sure how long I'll be around
[16:43] <LaserJock> sbalneav: but I should be fairly responsive to email (including some bugmail)
[16:43]  * ogra is travelling tomorrom
[16:44] <sbalneav> LaserJock: No problem, I'll handle things tomorrow.
[16:45] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Can you change the title of the irc?
[16:45] <sbalneav> It would be helpful if you could just pop in for 2 seconds and note that it's triage day.
[16:45] <LaserJock> for the metapackages what I have left are 1) use Recommends for edubuntu-desktop 2) make sure the addon-installer menu is good (missing icons and menu items in the wrong place)  and 3) make sure the KDE apps have everything they need to run properly in Gnome
[17:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: ^^
[17:05] <ogra> not actually "hot" anymore :)
[17:05] <Michiel__> !help
[17:05] <Fritz87> hi
[17:08] <ogra> sbalneav, btw, feature freeze is over, fixes need to go into the packaging or we need exceptions
[17:10] <sbalneav> ok
[17:10] <sbalneav> Michiel__: Hello
[17:10] <Michiel__> sbalneav: hello
[17:10] <sbalneav> Fritz87: hello
[17:10] <Michiel__> I am eghie by the way
[17:10] <Michiel__> my eghie is a ghost for now
[17:10] <Michiel__> client crash and stuff ;)
[17:12] <Fritz87> I am writing a proposal for a course I'm taking that I plan on presenting at my work (I work for the tech department of a local school district)
[17:13] <Fritz87> and was wondering if there are any alternatives to linux terminal service project for lets say, an entire huge school district
[17:13] <Fritz87> because from what i've seen so far from people I've spoken with there is lots of room for improvement
[17:13] <Michiel__> LTSP and DRBL and Nomachine NX are 3 I know
[17:14] <Fritz87> thanks I'll check those out
[17:14] <Michiel__> although, you need to build a distro around Nomachine NX
[17:14] <ogra> yeh, thats only a single app
[17:14] <Michiel__> but you can use the LTSP client distro to intergrate Nomachine NX client for example
[17:15] <ogra> and DRBL isnt installable side by side with LTSP ...
[17:15] <ogra> afaik
[17:15] <ogra> it isnt integrated with the distro as deep as LTSP is
[17:16] <Eghie> ogra: with distro you mean the client or the server?
[17:17] <ogra> ??
[17:17] <ogra> ubuntu
[17:17] <Eghie> because, LTSP isn't that far intergrated in the server distro, I guess
[17:17] <Eghie> it's portable
[17:17] <ogra> sure
[17:17] <ogra> no
[17:17] <Eghie> LTSP not portable?
[17:17] <ogra> ltsp4 was
[17:17] <ogra> ltsp5 isnt by design
[17:18] <ogra> the client is built using the servers tools
[17:18] <Eghie> hmm, yeah, that is true
[17:18] <ogra> unless you run suse that somewhat voilates all policies we have made for ltsp5
[17:19] <ogra> they have a fixed image that gets installed as package afaik
[17:19] <Eghie> ok
[17:19] <ogra> which is somewhat like going back to ltsp 4.x
[17:19] <Eghie> yeah, that's correct
[17:20] <Eghie> I see what you mean
[17:22] <Fritz87> what are the current problems with LTSP? People tell me its less than ideal on a very large scale, but I havent really found anything suggesting that
[17:24] <Eghie> Fritz87: LTSP is often used with Gnome
[17:24] <Eghie> and Gnome has some process which have a habit to stay running after the user logs off
[17:24] <Fritz87> ahhh I see
[17:25] <Fritz87> are people working on a solution for that?
[17:25] <Eghie> but using another Window Manager will solve that problem
[17:25] <Fritz87> oh okay
[17:25] <ogra> or just adding some script bits
[17:25] <Fritz87> so if you installed the edubuntu packages to kubuntu, that would work?
[17:25] <Eghie> for example yes
[17:25] <ogra> well, you need edubuntu-kde for that
[17:25] <Eghie> although there will be running some gnome processes maybe
[17:25] <Fritz87> ah i see
[17:26] <ogra> the normal edubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop
[17:26] <Eghie> see the bottom of this page for example: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP
[17:26] <Eghie> i'm going for some diner i guess
[17:26] <Eghie> later
[17:27] <Fritz87> cya
[17:27] <Fritz87> and thanks for the link
[17:27] <Fritz87> i cant wait to finish this proposal, im writing 2
[17:27] <Fritz87> one for the school district which is unlikely to succede, and the other targeted at a specific teacher that gets fudniing to experiment with this kind of stuff
[17:27] <ogra> Fritz87, for large deployments you should talk to stgraber btw
[17:27] <ogra> he works on clustering support for multiple ltsp servers
[17:28] <Fritz87> thanks I will
[17:31] <Fritz87> looks like I have a lot of  research to do, I'm not very qualified for the job, but its something i really care about, you know what i mean?
[17:31] <Fritz87> open source schools
[17:33] <LaserJock> Fritz87: gotta start somewhere, regarding being "qualified" :-)
[17:34] <Fritz87> yeah =)
[17:34] <Fritz87> I'm just a part time summer employee for the tech department in the school district in question while I'm going to school for an economics degree
[17:35] <LaserJock> nice
[17:35] <Fritz87> I might even get to write a paper for credit and get support from the rutgers writing program
[17:36] <Fritz87> so I think i really have a shot at making a difference if things work out
[17:37] <Fritz87> writing a proposal and making a powerpoint presentation for the tech department, at least thats the plan
[17:38] <Fritz87> and plan b is this classroom of the future program
[18:17] <Nubae> gnome-watchdog does a good job at analysing misbehaving processes and killing them
[19:59] <wanne> hi, sry but I cant see in the download section (edubuntu.org) wich cds i have to download in order to get a thin client? for terminal server ubuntu alternate + add on, right?
[20:10] <sbalneav> wanne: Yes
[20:24] <wanne> thx, cu
[21:30]  * Lns thinks we might be on the verge of figuring out the Firefox 3.x / LTSP bug
[21:30] <Lns> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453704#c8
[21:33] <Eghie> Lns: thanks for the nice debugging :) that should help
[21:34] <Lns> Eghie: yw =) My pleasure. FYI I'm in irc.mozilla.org/#firefox w/mzz right now trying to nail it
[21:35] <Eghie> will monitor it