[00:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 270704
[00:23] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: Is it preferred to open a seperate bug for the FFe request or use the needs-packaging one?
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> bdmurray: so bug 228510 can be moved to update-manager?
[00:54] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: I'm not certain I was - ERROR not handled expection in KDE frontend: - in the log.  But that might just be the KDE frontend of update-manager.
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> bdmurray: grepping update-manager source I get:
[00:59] <JontheEchidna>  logging.error("not handled exception in KDE frontend:\n%s" % "\n".join(lines))
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> in the file DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeViewKDE.py
[00:59] <bdmurray> JontheEchidna: cool, I'll flip it back then
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> hopefully this should become less confusing in Intrepid, since Adept plays no part whatsoever in dist-upgrading this time
[01:45] <ScottK-laptop> apachelogger: Using the needs-packaging one is fine.
[01:45] <apachelogger> Ok, thanks.
[02:18] <rgreening> Riddell: around?
[02:18] <rgreening> heya ScottK. No prob with my scim fix after?
[02:30] <ScottK> rgreening: I uploaded it.  There was something minor.  Let me think ...
[02:31] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: No, no problems.  It was just the maintainer change.
[02:34] <goatsocks> yay, new release of vlc has qt4 ui: http://download2.videolan.org/vlc/screenshots/0.9.2/screenshot-kde4.jpg
[02:39] <rgreening_> stupid net dropping
[02:39] <rgreening_> lol
[02:55] <jjesse> JontheEchidna: you around?
[03:16] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Just in case you didn't get it: [21:32] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: No, no problems.  It was just the maintainer change.
[03:17] <rgreening_> lol. ya. :)
[03:18] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  What with the dropping in and out, I wasn't sure.
[03:18] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[03:18] <rgreening_> np. for some reson ,my wireless drooped
[03:18] <rgreening_> ya. ben wanting to help out
[03:19] <rgreening_> I was developing for Gentoo a while back...
[03:19] <rgreening_> making the switch from ebuild to debuild is not as bad as I thought.
[03:19] <rgreening_> still a few things to pick up on
[03:20] <ScottK-laptop> IMO there's a lifetime of stuff to pick up on, but maybe I'm just slow.
[03:20] <rgreening_> I am looking for a few small projects to work on. So, if anyone has more, pass them on
[03:20] <rgreening_> hehe
[03:20] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: What sort of projects?
[03:22] <rgreening_> Anything I can help with for Intrepid/KDE4
[03:22] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Hmmm.
[03:22] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: kde4bindings uploaded. Thank you.
[03:23] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Are you running Intrepid?
[03:23] <rgreening_> yep
[03:23] <rgreening_> up to dat
[03:23] <rgreening_> date
[03:24] <ScottK-laptop> I guess the first thing I would suggest is to look at any bugs that are bothering you and see if you can scratch that itch.
[03:26] <rgreening_> will do. If anything comes immediately to mind though... like fixing patches or whatever, feel free to fire some my way.
[03:26] <ScottK-laptop> Sure.  I don't have anything KDE4 specific right now.
[03:26] <rgreening_> I'm hoping to get more involved. kk
[03:27] <ScottK-laptop> One more general thing that needs doing is to update the amule package.  Interested in looking into that?  It'll need a freeze exception.
[03:27] <rgreening_> Riddell asked me to look at 3 things. 2/3 completed now. so once the 3rd is done, I'll need something else
[03:27] <rgreening_> :)
[03:27] <rgreening_> ScottK: when will the update scim package show up?
[03:30] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: It's built and accepted on all archs.  Just a question of mirror lag: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/scim-bridge/0.4.14-2ubuntu1
[03:32] <rgreening_> ah. kk
[03:33] <rgreening_> yeah. I was pretty happy with the fix.
[03:33] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Next step would be to ask yourself if you think the patch would be useful for Debian?
[03:34] <rgreening_> possibly. Does debian use the same apt-get missing package check? I.e., if you type a command and the program is not installed, it will tell you how to install it? If yes, then sure, it may be useful.
[03:34] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: No, they don't have command-not-found.
[03:35] <rgreening_> then, maybe not. They may use the other patch, with the popen (ugly) hack which already exists.
[03:36] <rgreening_> popen would not work for us with the command not found program installed. So, my patch was actually smaller and cleaner
[03:36] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Generally once we fix something in Ubuntu, if it's be useful to Debian, then next thing is to send them the patch in their BTS.
[03:36] <ScottK-laptop> it's/it'd
[03:37] <rgreening_> yeah. did that for the gtk one the other day. I wasn't sure if this one was relevant. I may look into their src and see what they have.
[03:37] <ScottK-laptop> Before this patch their source and our's were the same.
[03:38] <rgreening_> ok. hmm.. maybe it would be just find then. I'll open a bug and send the details up along
[03:38] <ScottK-laptop> Good.  It's in our interest to minimize the Debian/Ubuntu differences.
[03:39] <rgreening_> 4 sure
[03:56] <rgreening_> ScottK: debian BTS submitted for scim-bridge
[04:03] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Great.  Thanks.
[04:03] <rgreening_> np
[05:03] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Do you have a fix for Bug 230904?  It does seem to be giving some people trouble in Hardy.
[05:05] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: I'd probably suggest having libqt4-dev conflict/replace libqtwebkit-dev
[05:06] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: Is this going to be a problem on upgrades too or just in backports?
[05:08] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: If you still want something to do, this bug needs doing^^^^
[05:08] <stdin> hmm, the backported libqt4-dev already has a conflict/replaces on it
[05:08] <rgreening_> k
[05:09] <ScottK-laptop> stdin: There's currently a guy in #ubuntu-motu with this problem.  Perhaps you could discuss it with him and see what's up then.
[05:11] <stdin> ScottK-laptop: I think it's probably because libqtwebkit-dev depends on libqt4-dev
[05:12] <stdin> people who have it installed will probably get a normal upgrade, but people trying to install it now (with -backports enabled) will get a fail
[05:13] <ScottK-laptop> Ah, so remove libqtwebkit-dev and then upgrade libqt4-dev if needed.
[05:15] <stdin> yeah
[05:17] <ScottK-laptop> In that case, I'm not sure it can get any more fixed.
[05:17] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening_: Maybe not.
[05:18] <rgreening_> yeah. I had a look. I am inclined to agree. It's not 'really' a bug. More of an inconvenience.
[05:19] <rgreening_> :)
[06:02] <Lex79> ScottK-laptop: debian/watch for this http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=86628&id=1&tan=16646170 ?
[06:02] <Lex79> this http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=86628&id=1&tan=16646170-(.*)\.tar\.bz2 doesn't work :(
[08:59] <davmor2> Riddell: ping
[10:38] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Ahhh.  kde4bindings didn't work out so well ....
[10:39] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: noticed that, didn't you
[10:39] <NCommander> Yeah
[10:39] <NCommander> Not my best work ever -_-;
[10:39] <NCommander> I have no *****ing clue why lpia now FTBFS
[10:39]  * ScottK waits for an updated debdiff ...
[10:40] <NCommander> I already broke it twice
[10:40] <NCommander> I'm not sure I'm willing to tempt fate again
[10:40] <NCommander> (without access to a hppa box that is)
[13:37] <rgreening> Riddell: can we bump qtjambit to 4.3.3 (or 4.4.0) instead of using 4.3.1? If not, I need to secure a patch for a problem with GCC and QtJambi (memset issue so it won't build)
[13:38] <rgreening> s/qtjambit/qtjambi
[13:45] <yao_ziyuan1> one suggestion for next kubuntu:
[13:45] <yao_ziyuan1> enable Dim Inactive by default
[13:45] <yao_ziyuan1> and its dimming should be gradual, not suddenly
[13:46] <yao_ziyuan1> kubuntu intrepid's features haven't been frozen, isn't it?
[13:48] <Hobbsee> yes.
[13:50] <yao_ziyuan1> ..
[13:56] <apachelogger> this dood is seriously frightening me
[13:56] <rgreening> lol
[13:57] <yao_ziyuan1> i just tried kubuntu intrepid alpha 5 in virtualbox
[13:57] <yao_ziyuan1> and then deleted the vm.
[13:57] <yao_ziyuan1> but i miss its wallpaper. is there a url where i can download this wallpaper?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> the old versions of kubuntu-default-settings on launchpad would have them.
[14:04] <yao_ziyuan1> don't know the link
[14:04] <yao_ziyuan1> am installing it again
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> search for nuno pinhiero blue curl on google
[14:05] <yao_ziyuan1> isn't that the same as kde 4?
[14:06] <yao_ziyuan1> anyway, installing again isn't slow
[14:16] <NCommander> I think my laptop's trackpad is going
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> Czessi: fancy backporting the Lancelot update from Intrepid to Hardy?
[14:19] <NCommander> JontheEchidna: does it build cleanly, or does it need actual backporting work
[14:20] <Czessi_> JontheEchidna: i can backport it this evening
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: should just need Hardy cdbs
[14:21] <NCommander> JontheEchidna: put in an offical backporting request and I'll test it
[14:21] <NCommander> so that all jdong or ScottK needs to do is subscribe the archive admins to make it happen
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: this is just for the kde4 ppa, so an official request isn't needed
[14:22] <NCommander> oh
[14:22] <NCommander> I thought you wanted an actual backport for hardy, not just a PPA :-)
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> Czessi_: thanks
[14:43] <rgreening> is there a svn/cvs repo for qt4 somewhere? I'm looking to backport some of the updates in Qt to the current rev. Specifically, Qt Jambi
[14:55] <davmor2> Can someone try something for me please? Open up Konqueror and goto planet.ubuntu.com and see if all the boxes are completed around each post
[14:56] <rgreening> k. 1 sec
[14:57] <davmor2> sorry I forgot on intrepids build
[14:57] <rgreening> nope. Konq under KDE4 shows some blank areas
[14:57] <ScottK-laptop> davmor2: In Hardy KDE3 it looks fine.
[14:57] <rgreening> looks like some broken CSS possibly
[14:58] <davmor2> rgreening: yeah but it's broken in webkit/Konq
[14:58] <rgreening> hmm.. Im using khtml (I believe)
[14:58] <rgreening> let me verify
[14:59] <rgreening> yep. khtml
[14:59] <rgreening> and I have the same issue
[15:03] <davmor2> most bizarre :( humph I bug it and see if it clears up after :)
[15:03] <seele> w/in 8
[15:05] <rgreening> It's likely in planet.css
[15:05] <rgreening> or planet-ubuntu.css
[15:05] <davmor2> rgreening: but there is no problems in other versions or browsers
[15:06] <rgreening> I mean the clue as to why Konq4 is broken.. should be hinted at by what CSS is used in thosae two files
[15:07] <rgreening> Does anyone have access to Safari to verify webkit is broken under safari as well?
[15:14] <davmor2> rgreening: I just installed webkit/epiphany and the display is correct
[15:18] <rgreening> looking at a local copy to see if I can pinpoint it exactly
[15:30] <rgreening> davmor2: I think it's in planet.css where Konq is having a prob.
[15:31] <rgreening> with the link background extending across and over the box
[15:31] <rgreening> rather than being transparent
[15:32] <davmor2> pass I've no idea :(
[15:32] <knome> rgreening, if you can send mee shot, i can try to help
[15:33] <jussi01> anyone seen apachelogger today?
[15:33] <knome> jussi01, nope
[15:33] <rgreening> knome... sure. Give me a min or two to see if I can narrow it down further.
[15:33] <knome> sure
[15:33] <knome> though i might be able to do that as well
[15:33] <knome> <- css geek
[15:34] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: I think I'm just going to add the Mono bindings to p-a-s and be done with it.
[15:34] <davmor2> knome: are you using intrepid?
[15:34] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: how?
[15:34] <jussi01> Are we repoting ppa bugs to LP? or?
[15:34] <knome> davmor2, nope
[15:35]  * jussi01 found a bug in amarok2
[15:35] <knome> jussi01, you should try #amarok rather than apachelogger
[15:36] <jussi01> knome: but apachelogger loves me :P
[15:37] <knome> jussi01, he might not want amarok bug reports anyway, though
[15:38] <jussi01> knome: you are probably orrect, however my seeking apachelogger has nothing to do with amarok... :D
[15:38] <knome> aha..
[15:38] <knome> k then
[15:38] <knome> anyway tey #amarok with amarok bug reports ;)
[15:39] <knome> s/tey/try
[15:39] <knome> hello RainCT
[15:39] <RainCT> hi :)
[15:40] <NCommander> welcome to #kubuntu-devel
[15:40] <rgreening> hey
[15:41] <RainCT> wo NCommander is a bot :P
[15:42] <NCommander> RainCT, I am only a bot, please do not assume I have intellegence
[15:42]  * RainCT doesn't remember having ever assumed that *g*
[15:42] <NCommander> d'oh
[15:43] <knome> lol
[15:44] <knome> rgreening, i'm going to have some food but i'll start up my laptop :P
[15:45] <rgreening> knome: k. me 2. I have it narrowed down some more. looks like div.post-header section isn't working in planet.css under Konq4
[15:48] <knome> rgreening, can you send the shot?
[15:48]  * RainCT is wondering if apachelogger finished those nice icons? :P
[15:48] <knome> i could look at it while eating
[15:48] <knome> RainCT, i think he did
[15:51] <rgreening> knome: can you accept dcc?
[15:52] <knome> sure
[15:52] <knome> didn't notice it first
[15:52] <rgreening> :)
[15:52] <knome> can you resend
[15:52] <rgreening> see if it works through fw
[15:52] <rgreening> ok. 1 sec
[15:53] <rgreening> you see it?
[15:53] <knome> yes
[15:53] <knome> hmm
[15:53] <knome> just send it to open@knome.fi
[15:53] <knome> it might be that the routing on this server has changed or sth
[15:53] <rgreening> done.
[15:53] <knome> at least i previously could accept dcc
[15:54] <knome> hm
[15:54] <rgreening> might be my end.. fw
[15:54] <knome> what was the address?
[15:54] <rgreening> prob a 66. something
[15:54] <knome> i mean the website
[15:54] <knome> ;)
[15:55] <rgreening> oh, planet.ubuntu.com. I think the bug shows up in something used in the CSS (planet.css)
[15:55] <knome> ok
[15:55] <rgreening> at least that's as far as I have tracked it
[15:55] <knome> yeah
[15:55] <knome> i'll see
[15:55] <rgreening> looks like the image repeat doesn't work
[15:55] <knome> yep
[15:56] <knome> and it was konq/webkit?
[15:56] <knome> which wasn't working
[15:56] <rgreening> khtml
[15:56] <rgreening> (at least for me)
[15:56] <knome> k
[15:56] <knome> in II or generally?
[15:56] <rgreening> ?
[15:57] <knome> intrepid
[15:57] <rgreening> ah... II (konq4). Konq3 is fine apparantly
[15:57] <knome> ok.
[15:58] <knome> div.post-header { background: url(images/bubble/bubble-top.png) top left repeat-x;
[15:58] <knome> }
[15:59] <knome> try that
[15:59] <knome> (add the left-parameter)
[15:59] <rgreening> ah. sure.. 1 sec
[16:00] <rgreening> in which css?
[16:00] <knome> planet.css
[16:00] <rgreening> cause I dont see that mistake
[16:00] <rgreening> hmm...
[16:00] <rgreening> 1 sec
[16:01] <knome> currently it's only .. top repeat-x;
[16:01] <rgreening> not in my file
[16:01] <knome> !?
[16:01] <knome> planet.css on planet.ubuntu.org
[16:01] <rgreening> yep
[16:01] <knome> wtf?
[16:01] <rgreening> weird
[16:01] <rgreening> 1 sec. let me wget it
[16:01] <knome> are you sure you're editing the right file?
[16:02] <rgreening> div.post-header {
[16:02] <rgreening>         background: url(images/bubble/bubble-top.png) top repeat-x;
[16:02] <rgreening> }
[16:03] <rgreening> I did a fresh wget of it from http://planet.ubuntu.com/planet.css
[16:03] <knome> yes
[16:03] <knome> add left into it
[16:03] <rgreening> and the brace is there
[16:03] <knome> sure
[16:03] <knome> that's not what was missing ;)
[16:03] <knome> "top repeat-x" -> "top left repeat-x"
[16:04] <rgreening> ah...
[16:04] <rgreening> duh
[16:04] <knome> ;)
[16:04] <rgreening> :)
[16:06] <knome> did it help?
[16:06] <rgreening> checking
[16:07] <rgreening> yep. hmm... how come FF worked and Konq3
[16:07] <knome> it wasn't valid css
[16:07] <knome> i think ff is better to intdiv.post-header { background: url(images/bubble/bubble-top.png) top left repeat-x;
[16:07] <knome> }
[16:07] <knome> oops
[16:07] <rgreening> bottom is the same. CSS must be broken ther
[16:07] <knome> just add left after bottom in .post-footer
[16:08] <knome> it will fix it
[16:08] <knome> anyway what i was saying that maybe ff interprets invalid css better;)
[16:08] <rgreening> fixed
[16:08] <rgreening> I wish there was a way to do the same in Konq (some compat mode)
[16:09] <knome> heh
[16:09] <rgreening> r u able to correct planet.css?
[16:09] <knome> me?
[16:09] <knome> uhh... you mean uploading ti?
[16:09] <rgreening> who can fix the CSS
[16:09] <knome> *it
[16:09] <rgreening> in the site
[16:09] <knome> i have no rights there
[16:09] <knome> whatever
[16:09] <knome> :)
[16:09] <apachelogger> RainCT: I sent the patch to NCommander
[16:09] <knome> hallo apachelogger o/
[16:09] <apachelogger> hullos
[16:10] <rgreening> who managhes planet.ubuntu.com (webmin)
[16:10] <apachelogger> canonical sysadmins I guess
[16:10]  * knome thinks he is still hungry
[16:10] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.
[16:10] <rgreening> need to get them to fix planet.css (invalid CSS)
[16:12] <knome> rgreening, if you want, i can go through all the css files and see if there's more invalid css
[16:12] <knome> so we wouldn't have any surprises..
[16:12] <apachelogger> wow, you must be really bored
[16:12] <apachelogger> knome: do that for kubuntu.org :P
[16:12] <knome> nah
[16:12] <knome> obsessed to css more likely
[16:13] <knome> kubuntu.org css is valid
[16:13] <knome> and actually, even those we fixed today isn't valid
[16:13] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:13] <knome> it just seems that khtml is unable to interpret them correctly
[16:15] <rgreening> ?
[16:15] <knome> uh, konq4
[16:15] <knome> or actually, wuut?
[16:16] <knome> :)
[16:16] <rgreening> lol
[16:16] <rgreening> anyway, I sent patch to web admin for planet
[16:16] <knome> yay
[16:16] <rgreening> see if they  fix it
[16:17] <rgreening> ok. time for a break.
[16:17] <knome> ok bye
[16:18] <knome> apachelogger, what do you think, time for coffee?
[16:19] <apachelogger> hm
[16:19] <apachelogger> no
[16:20] <knome> DOOOP! wrong answer!
[16:21] <knome> if( person->alive == TRUE ) { coffeetime(); }
[16:23] <Lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload
[16:24] <Lex79> debian/watch for kde-look doesn't work, right?
[16:24] <apachelogger> Lex79: righto
[16:24] <apachelogger> Lex79: how did you recompress the tarball?
[16:25] <Lex79> extract tar.bz2 and compress with tar czvf
[16:26] <apachelogger> hm
[16:26] <Lex79> :)
[16:26] <apachelogger> no good pratice :P
[16:26] <apachelogger> Lex79: bunzip2 BZIPFILE && gzip -9 TARFILE
[16:26] <Lex79> ah ok
[16:27] <apachelogger> then you can drop the comment in debian/copyright, because you actually don't change the tarball, but only it's compression ;-)
[16:28] <Lex79> I will drop the comment and I reuploaded it, ok?
[16:30] <apachelogger> aye
[16:33] <rgreening> int coffeetime() { while CUP <> EMPTY; drink; if CUP == EMPTY then refill; }
[16:33] <rgreening> bottomless cup for me
[16:33] <knome> /dcc send rgreening finnish_coffee
[16:34] <rgreening> lol
[16:34] <rgreening> I just got mine filled.
[16:34] <rgreening> hah
[16:34] <rgreening> TIMMY!
[16:34] <knome> so which country do you live in?
[16:35] <rgreening> my dream home would have a Tim Horton's Coffee Drive through in my living room, next to my recliner (Canada)
[16:35] <rgreening> :P
[16:35] <knome> hmm
[16:35] <knome> i doubt you have as good coffee as we ;)
[16:35] <rgreening> depends, where are u?
[16:35] <knome> at least if it's as mild as the coffee in usa
[16:35] <knome> finland :P
[16:36] <rgreening> lol. Tim Hortons has a lot of caffiene. Though, it's not expresso... My wife is from Portugal. So, yeah, expresso is better.
[16:36] <rgreening> Dunkin Donuts (USA) is weak coffee
[16:37] <rgreening> Though Starbucks in the US is a little stronger and they have thegood stuff (expresso, etc)
[16:37] <rgreening> I'd love to go to Finland
[16:37] <knome> http://www.coffeeresearch.org/market/consumption.htm
[16:38] <knome> see table 1 :P
[16:38] <rgreening> seeing I'm from Newfoundland (and people keep pronouncing it New-Findland.. ahahah)
[16:38] <knome> that's a bit old statistics, but anyway
[16:38] <knome> on table 2, scandinavia is still #1, though
[16:39] <knome> but that includes a few other countries as well
[16:39] <rgreening> Ha. Canada doesn't even rank. lol. I guess a POP of only 30 Million...
[16:39] <knome> well it's kg/person
[16:39] <knome> anyway ;)
[16:40] <rgreening> I need to do my part and drink more coffee to make up the diff
[16:40] <knome> hehe
[16:40] <rgreening> time ot break out the IV drip
[16:40] <rgreening> straigth into the vein
[16:40] <knome> hehe
[16:41] <knome> what do you think of starbucks?
[16:41] <rgreening> anyone here work for Canonical (i.e getting paid)? Just curious...
[16:41] <knome> oh, you said already
[16:41] <rgreening> Starbucks is good. expensive though
[16:41] <knome> :)
[16:41] <knome> hmm
[16:41] <rgreening> lol
[16:42] <knome> well i prefer finnish basic coffee >>>>> starbucks ;)
[16:42] <rgreening> :)
[16:42] <knome> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/foo_cof_con-food-coffee-consumption
[16:42] <knome> finally a decent graph
[16:42]  * rgreening wants to work for Mark :)
[16:43] <knome> we're not far away from norway ;)
[16:43] <rgreening> thats mucho coffee
[16:44] <knome> heh
[16:44] <knome> plus you can count out the people who don't drink coffee
[16:44] <knome> we're a small country so a small amount makes big difference
[16:45] <rgreening> yeah. Canada has a huge land mass, but small pockets of people
[16:45] <apachelogger> that is confusing
[16:45] <rgreening> Where I live there's about 500K
[16:46] <knome> rgreening, you beat us in that
[16:46] <rgreening> mostly in 5 cities/towns
[16:46] <rgreening> My family is from a town of about 500
[16:46] <rgreening> but back when they originally left there was probably 50
[16:46] <rgreening> haha
[16:47] <knome> hah
[16:48]  * rgreening looking for somethnig to fix...
[16:48] <rgreening> any Intrepid stuff to fix (something small)?
[16:48] <knome> rgreening, but there's a lot more you than us :P
[16:48] <rgreening> wow
[16:49] <rgreening> I like small
[16:49] <knome> ha
[16:49] <knome> finland is like ~5,5m
[16:49] <knome> or maybe not even that
[16:50] <knome> 2008 estimate 5,3
[16:51]  * rgreening is browsing bugs... looking for something to do.... hmmm
[16:51] <knome> he
[16:51] <knome> fix my head
[16:52] <knome> not <head>
[16:52] <rgreening> rm -rf /CVSROOT/HEAD
[16:52] <knome> yay
[16:52] <knome> i've executed chmod 777 -R /
[16:52] <rgreening> sudo apt-get install new-head-1.2-1
[16:52] <knome> or sth
[16:52] <rgreening> lol
[16:52] <knome> that was nice one
[16:53] <rgreening> I've done the rm -rf * in the wrong dir.. ONCE!
[16:53] <knome> i was on ssh
[16:53] <rgreening> hehe
[16:53] <knome> ;)
[16:53] <knome> it took 3 days to fix it
[16:53] <knome> ...but it was possible without re-installinf
[16:53] <knome> f=g
[16:54] <knome> i think we were running some debian
[16:54] <rgreening> ouch
[16:55] <rgreening> That's why I liked Gentoo. Was easy to recover with ebuild
[16:55] <knome> and yes, it was half a production server :D
[16:55] <apachelogger> oh, gentoo on producion servers is worthless
[16:56]  * NCommander agrees with apachelogger
[16:56] <rgreening> I agree. Gentoo was for fun
[16:56] <knome> production servers are useless
[16:56] <apachelogger> that too
[16:56] <knome> they just make you do work
[16:56] <rgreening> I was in a build/patch frenzy for over a year
[16:56] <rgreening> haha
[16:57] <apachelogger> :D
[16:58] <knome> back to my batcave
[16:59] <knome> my father came to make noise in the kitchen
[16:59] <rgreening> nana-nana-na-na-nana... BATMAN!
[17:01] <knome> yus
[17:01] <knome> achoo
[17:01] <knome> achoo
[17:02] <rgreening> lol
[17:02] <knome> <- sick
[17:03] <rgreening> get a hot tea (camamille or linden) add honey and lemon. Drink. feel better
[17:03] <knome> nah, i'm already drinking this coffee
[17:03] <knome> ;)
[17:03] <knome> that fixes all the problems if consumed enough
[17:04] <knome> or as we tend to say in finland "death signs sleep debt (or anything else negative)"
[17:04] <rgreening> add whiskey
[17:04] <rgreening> heh
[17:05] <knome> you know, we are known of our positive attitude O;)
[17:06] <rgreening> we must be kindred (Newfoundland and Finland)
[17:07] <knome> he
[17:07] <ScottK-laptop> rgreening: Ah.  I was wondering about the TZ in your debian/changelog entry.  Now I understand.
[17:07] <knome> might be
[17:07] <NCommander> So ScottK-laptop, got any good FTBFS for me, or shall I work on the backports queue ;-)?
[17:08] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: kde4bindings?
[17:08] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: not without a hppa box, I already screwed that up twice
[17:09] <ScottK-laptop> lpia?
[17:09] <rgreening> ScottK: yeah, St. John's, NL Canada - North America - Earth.... :)
[17:10] <Lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload :)
[17:12] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: you said it cleared on the retry
[17:13] <ScottK-laptop> Last time, not this time.
[17:13] <ScottK-laptop> I can try again.
[17:13] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I'm going to ask lamount for a shell account on one of his hppa boxs, so I can just fix it right
[17:14] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Looking at all the mono stuff in p-a-s are you sure it's fixable?
[17:14]  * rgreening shudders.. mono
[17:14] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I can see the HPPA support in mono-upstream, so yes
[17:14] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: but I don't want to try that without having actual hppa hardware
[17:15] <rgreening> go figure. Mono is the name of a disease..
[17:15] <rgreening> haha
[17:15] <NCommander> rgreening: I was infected with it
[17:16] <rgreening> I removed my infection
[17:17] <NCommander> lol
[17:17] <NCommander> mono in many ways is better than java if you need windows compability
[17:17] <ScottK-laptop> Bah.  Python is plenty cross platform.
[17:18] <smarter_> Qt/C++ too :)
[17:19]  * rgreening problem with windows, is people keep leaving them unlocked and thieves can get in
[17:20] <knome> how does /rgreening relate to that?
[17:20] <rgreening> If you have nothing to steal, then you don need windows, walls, doors...
[17:20] <knome> ;P
[17:20] <rgreening> typo
[17:20] <knome> lol
[17:20]  * rgreening need coffee
[17:21] <apachelogger> Lex79: why did you make one build-dep per line?
[17:21] <RainCT> apachelogger: Why don't you like that? It makes diffs more readable
[17:21] <knome> RainCT, psst, apacheloggers weird
[17:22] <apachelogger> 80 characters max does as well
[17:22] <Lex79> because exceed the 80 columns limit
[17:22] <apachelogger> Lex79: you can make kate show a line @ 80 characters
[17:22] <apachelogger> so you know when you exceed it
[17:23] <apachelogger> one dep per line is really only useful if you merge the package around in a version control system IMHO
[17:23] <Lex79> :( :D ok
[17:24] <rgreening> looking at kwave source package related to LP: 258667
[17:25] <rgreening> the build package needs dcopidl dcopidl2cpp from kdelibs4-dev
[17:25] <rgreening> but installing kdelibs4-dev removes other packages (kdebase-workspace-dev kdelibs5-dev kdemultimedia-dev kdepimlibs5-dev libplasma-dev)
[17:25] <rgreening> can they coexist? or am I going about this wrong
[17:26] <knome> apachelogger, ?
[17:27] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: it appears that mono is properly ported
[17:27] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[17:27] <NCommander> http://wiki.parisc-linux.org/MonoPorting - info about the port
[17:27] <rgreening> or can dcopidl be found in another package
[17:27] <apachelogger> knome: ??
[17:28] <RainCT> apachelogger: debdiffs are also easier to read :P
[17:28] <knome> apachelogger, uh oh, i'll ping you again later, commercial clients are mailing me
[17:28] <apachelogger> RainCT: and I have to scroll :P
[17:28] <RainCT> Lex79: wow, I'm not the only one placing the build dependencies in alphabetic order :)    xDD
[17:28] <RainCT> ah no they aren't :P
[17:29] <ScottK-laptop> dpkg will sometimes fix that for you if you don't.
[17:30] <Lex79> RainCT: uhmmm, no they aren't :)
[17:31] <RainCT> bah, seems like I am the only one after all.    /me goes to cry in a corner      :P :P
[17:33]  * jussi01 hugs RainCT
[17:34]  * knome grouphugs jussi01 and RainCT 
[17:35] <jussi01> :)
[17:39]  * ScottK-laptop notes that we missed getting KDE 4.1.1 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview and someone ought to write something about Kubuntu for that.
[17:46] <Riddell> rgreening: yes we should upgrade to the latest qt jambi, but I havn't got it to compile that's the tricky bit
[17:47] <smarter> hey Riddell, could you please upload latest rev of https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu ?
[17:47] <rgreening> ah. I've been working on backporting some patches to the current for our GCC. limited success.
[17:47] <rgreening> let me look at that
[17:48] <rgreening> Riddell: so, whats the process to update the package. I'll work on the new one
[17:49] <rgreening> I have dl the src for 4.4.0_01
[17:54] <Riddell> rgreening: the first thing to do is to see if it'll compile
[17:54] <rgreening> is there a deb src? I have the trolltech one
[17:55] <Riddell> that's what you want
[17:56] <rgreening> ? the trolltech?
[17:56] <Riddell> yes
[17:56] <rgreening> ok
[17:56] <rgreening> ant fails out of the box. need to setup the env vars
[18:02] <rgreening> Riddell: [qmake] ***Unknown option -config
[18:02] <rgreening> I assume its running wrong qmake
[18:03] <rgreening> nope
[18:13] <rgreening> hmm.... the ant build tries to run qmake with -config which is unknown. wonder if it requires a newer qmake
[18:13] <rgreening> Riddell?
[18:15] <Riddell> not unless you're using qmake-qt3
[18:15] <rgreening> qmake -config is not on option of qmake-qt4
[18:15] <rgreening> let me try again
[18:26] <rgreening> ok, forced an update-alternative qmake /usr/bin/qmake-qt4 to be able to run ant
[18:26] <rgreening> lol
[18:27] <knome> lol wut?
[18:52] <claydoh> bug #269164 lol
[18:56] <jtechidna> lol
[19:28]  * rgreening shakes the rain off
[19:29] <a|wen> ScottK: here is the update to kdebase in hardy-backports as promised: http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.10-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[19:30] <rgreening> Riddell: there?
[19:31] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Thanks.
[19:31] <rgreening> any idea what JAVA_HOME should point to?
[19:32] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: and kdepim will follow in a few minutes
[19:35] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: as far as i can gather the problem in bug 262538 only applies if the user started creating distribution lists in kde 3.5.8 (eg. gutsy or prior) so haven't had the chance to test the fix thoroughly
[19:36] <ScottK> OK, well if you're confident it's an improvement, we can upload it and get user feedback then.
[19:37] <a|wen> they added a migration assistant for the old list format ... so as long as the assistant works as it should it is definately an improvement
[19:40] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds good.
[19:45] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: -0ubuntu1~hardy2 for revision number is better.  I changed kdebase.
[19:46] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: okay ... I'll change that in kdepim then
[19:46] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[19:55] <a|wen> hmm, what is the best way in debian/rules to be sure that a certain value is set when the makefile is run?
[19:57] <a|wen> disregard ... the check for that value is part of the patch; so can as well remove it
[20:01] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: kdepim will have to wait a bit ... just need to check a few things
[20:01] <ScottK> OK.  kdebase takes a while to build anyway.
[20:02] <a|wen> yeah ... both kdebase and kdepim are pretty heavy on my old machine
[20:03] <ScottK-laptop> kdepim for kde3 IIRC takes 8 hours on the hppa buildd's.
[20:05] <NCommander> hola
[20:05] <a|wen> i remember it as being quicker than that on my comp last time ... but still a long time
[20:05] <a|wen> hey NCommander
[20:05] <NCommander> hey a|wen
[20:09] <ScottK-laptop> Well the hppa buildd's are pretty slow.
[20:14] <rgreening> Trying to compile qt jambi on my system and I am getting a lot of errors on size_t, time_t, pid_t, uid_t, timer_t and clock_t (does not name a type). Any ideas? Maybe I am missing something in my build dep
[20:15] <rgreening> I also have redefinition of ‘struct timeval’ and ‘sigset_t’ has a previous declaration as ‘typedef long unsigned int sigset_t’
[20:27] <rgreening> I think they should rename qtjambi to jambiLiar... dang thing won't build :)
[20:47] <Czessi_> jtechidna: http://czessi.kubuntu-de.org/packages/lancelot/1.0.3/
[21:06] <jtechidna> Czessi: looks good
[21:09] <Czessi> jtechidna: uploaded
[21:12] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: You are my hero.  Icons are two per row again.
[21:14] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: yay :)
[21:14] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: I'm uploading it now.
[21:15] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: thx
[21:16] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: No.  Thank you.  I think that based on the work you're doing we'll get the into -updates.  Without it, we wouldn't have.
[21:19] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: the plan was also to fix all the critical 3.5.9 -> 3.5.10 regressions to make it a possible option
[21:20] <ScottK-laptop> That's the idea.  So far you are the king of fixing.
[21:20] <mcasadevall> ScottK-laptop: how bad are the regressions?
[21:21] <a|wen> mostly cherry-picking until now, thx to the kde devs
[21:21] <ScottK-laptop> Right.  Thanks to them and you.
[21:24]  * a|wen always gets kind of nervous for his laptop with those long-lasting builds ... kdepim still running
[21:27] <jtechidna> Czessi: thanks
[21:45] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: If slangasek didn't get it already, would you please accept kdebase in hardy-backports.
[21:46] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Nevermind.  He got it.
[22:08] <NCommander> hey Riddell & ScottK
[22:09] <a|wen> is there an easy way to tell what files a package have been building, but hasn't installed (eg. could be missing from a .install file)?
[22:10] <NCommander> a|wen: --fail-missing
[22:10] <NCommander> (there is --list-missing, but sometimes its easy to miss the output from it)
[22:10] <NCommander> (that --fail-missing goes on dh_install)
[22:12] <a|wen> thx NCommander; i was somewhat thinking in the right direction... do you happen to know which variable to put it in when using cdbs/debhelper
[22:12] <NCommander> cdbs will add --list-missing automatically
[22:12] <NCommander> (I think, my memory might be faulty, I don't use CDBS very often)
[22:12] <NCommander> debhelper, add it on the dh_install or dh install lines
[22:18] <a|wen> NCommander: think i've got it thx ... now i just need to wait for it to build again
[22:20] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: you'll get kdepim tomorrow instead ... just need to check that everything is as it is supposed to be
[22:20] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: I'd rather have it right than today.
[22:21] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: i thought so
[22:21] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: you won't happen to know where I could find a hppa machine?
[22:22] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Nope.  lamont is the one person I know with one.
[22:22] <NCommander> Of course lamount is only around when I am alseep
[22:22] <ScottK-laptop> And last I heard all his boxes were not in a condition that he could share access to them.
[22:23] <NCommander> Oh, wonderful
[22:23] <NCommander> So much for hppa test building
[22:23] <ScottK-laptop> Aren't the Debian hppa porters you could bug?
[22:23] <NCommander> I can't find an IRC channel, and I don't like bargining onto a list to ask access to a porter machine
[22:24]  * a|wen will go to sleep ... and let his laptop keep building
[22:26] <a|wen> goodnight people
[22:26] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: I put a plea for a porting box on d-devel
[22:26] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop: maybe I'll get lucky
[22:28] <ScottK-laptop> Great.
[22:29] <NCommander> ScottK: http://www.parisc-linux.org/cluster.html
[22:29] <NCommander> I was pointed to the HP public HPPA boxs
[22:29] <ScottK-laptop> Does that work?
[22:29] <NCommander> Well
[22:30] <NCommander> .... it seems you can deploy netboot images
[22:30] <NCommander> Sorta overkill for what I want, but I guess that works
[22:31] <NCommander> gtg
[23:02] <NCommander> hola ScottK