[00:06] <Denise> a all together
[00:10] <BBLake> can someone explain the difference between ubuntu kubuntu, and edubuntu?
[00:10] <anom01y> how can I record a small clip of audio from an avi file ?
[00:11] <chegee> What is defferent betwin Ubuntu and kubuntu?
[00:12] <favro> BBLake: it is the desktop environment that is the diff - kubuntu uses kde, ubuntu uses gnome, xubuntu uses xfce4, fluxbuntu uses fluxbox
[00:12] <chegee> thenks
[00:12] <BBLake> hmmmm....i had ubuntu, and i installed the ubuntu studio theme, now my computer is taking forever to load
[00:12] <favro> and I don't know about edubuntu...
[00:12] <BBLake> is that because it's trying to load two desktop environemnts?
[00:13] <LeeJunFan> BBLake: no, it will only load one.
[00:13] <favro> I don't think ubuntu-studio is a desktop environment...
[00:14] <BBLake> not sure what happen3ed...maybe not related, but i downloaded a great theme, but it takes 10 minutes to boot up now.  Took 20 seconds before.
[00:16] <favro> there might be errors with the theme - try changing themes and reboot
[00:16] <favro> it will tell if it is the theme
[00:16] <BBLake> ok, will try that now...great idea..thanks
[00:22] <anom01y> how come avidemux says "trouble initialising the audio device" when I use it on a video, but when I play the video with mplayer it plays audio fine...
[00:23] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i'm guessing it has to do with how avidemux is configured, specifically with respect to sound I/O
[00:23] <anom01y> ign0ramus: well it is set to alsa
[00:24] <ign0ramus> anom01y: have you tried oss?
[00:25] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i rarely use avidemux, but mine was set to PCM (which i thought was weird) and oss, and i've never had any sound errors with it.
[00:26] <chegee> I havn't sound, please tell that what I have to do to set up sound? (I trying to set sound 2 month, but...)
[00:26] <ign0ramus> !sound | chegee
[00:27] <anom01y> ign0ramus: ok well I will try a few others
[00:27] <anom01y> thanks
[00:27] <ign0ramus> anom01y: np, bro
[00:28] <tom_> im trying to use intrepid, but the NetworkManager simply wont work, manually conencting also fails now (but worked this morning), any ideas (i hosed my hardy install's (/boot)) but can copy files over using cds
[00:29] <chegee> what's ARTS?
[00:29] <ign0ramus> !arts | chegee
[00:30] <ign0ramus> chegee: its your sound server
[00:30] <chegee> ...
[00:30] <BBLake> ok, appreciate the idea favro, but it still took forever.    THe only other thing i messed with lately was the pulse audio settings
[00:30] <BBLake> is that a boot killer?
[00:30] <BBLake> if not, what is the best way to diagnosis booting issues.  (took 2 minutes a few days back)
[00:31] <favro> BBLake: I would try a boot without the splash so I could read what's happening
[00:31] <tom_> BBLake: is it hanging before getting to x
[00:31] <tom_> BBLake: if so in grub remove splash, and possible quite (this give alot of info)
[00:32] <BBLake> not sure how to remove splash
[00:32] <ign0ramus> BBLake: you can also see startup scripts if you boot into Recovery Mode
[00:32] <BBLake> i should remove quite as well
[00:32] <favro> BBLake: at grub does your boot menu show?
[00:32] <tom_> in grub go to the ubuntu line and click e then remove the words splash and quiet
[00:32] <BBLake> see, i don't get those options in grub ...it's weird.  today at my office it did...But now it doesn't give the options, but takes forever.
[00:33] <BBLake> can i access grub from within ubuntu?
[00:33] <tom_> yes it should be at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:33] <anom01y> ign0ramus: I fixed the avidemux problem, you should check yours too..
[00:33] <tom_> well the menu anyway
[00:33] <anom01y> in preferences->audio->audio device, you have to type default in the box
[00:33] <ign0ramus> anom01y: yup, i just saw that
[00:33] <anom01y> remove the other text and replace it with "default"
[00:34] <anom01y> weird
[00:34] <ign0ramus> anom01y: did you see it here? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=513901
[00:34] <anom01y> yeah I did
[00:34] <ign0ramus> haha :)
[00:34] <BBLake> i see that file, but not sure about what to do with it tom
[00:34] <BBLake> Do i edit the splash settings in that file?
[00:34] <anom01y> its best to google things before flipping out I guess
[00:34] <anom01y> :)
[00:34] <ign0ramus> anom01y: it worked before with oss, but like i said, i haven't used it in forever, and the sound didn't work any more
[00:35] <BBLake> It seems there are more than one kernels.  Is this normal?
[00:35] <favro> yep
[00:35] <BBLake> ok...so if i want to see the start-up script, and what's hanging i have to disable splash?
[00:36] <BBLake> # defoptions=quiet splash
[00:36] <favro> BBLake: just delete splash from the kernel line
[00:36] <favro> BBLake: near the bottom
[00:36] <favro> of the file
[00:36] <rocio> como cambiio un tema en kubuntu?
[00:36] <favro> !es
[00:37] <BBLake> should i delete quite as well?   ANd do i do this for all kernels?
[00:37] <favro> !it
[00:37] <ign0ramus> BBLake: you only need to do it on the kernel you normally load (unless you use all of them)
[00:37] <favro> BBLake: I would remove quiet and splash for the default kernel
[00:38] <BBLake> lol..i don/t know how i got more than one.
[00:38] <ign0ramus> BBLake: from apt-get updating
[00:38] <BBLake> oh...so it's normal to have multiples...Can't grasp the concept...How do i determine my default kernel?
[00:38] <BBLake> the latest one i presume?
[00:38] <ign0ramus> BBLake: usually, yeah
[00:39] <ign0ramus> BBLake: whatever's highlighted by default when you boot up
[00:39] <carutsu> !xscreensaver
[00:39] <ign0ramus> BBLake: there's a good management tool called qgrubeditor, but we'll talk about that later
[00:39] <BBLake> that's the thing igno, i don't see any options to chose when i boot up...I goes right to the login screen.
[00:40] <BBLake> i don't even see the ubuntu loading w9indow (with the ogo and the progress bar)
[00:40] <BBLake> but, i have removed splash from the latest kernel version.   and will try and reboot.
[00:40] <ign0ramus> BBLake: kk
[00:40] <favro> BBLake: wait
[00:40] <BBLake> ok
[00:41] <favro> in the menu.lst file is a line to hide the menu - make sure it is set to not hide it
[00:41] <favro> it's near the top
[00:41] <rocio> para español?
[00:41] <favro> hiddenmenu=false
[00:41] <ign0ramus> !es
[00:41] <favro> !es | rocio
[00:42] <BBLake> ## hiddenmenu
[00:42] <BBLake> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[00:42] <BBLake> #hiddenmenu
[00:42] <ign0ramus> BBLake: that's the one, but like it says, you can press esc to see the menu
[00:42] <rocio> thanks. its the  first time I use linux and and dont use to it
[00:42] <BBLake> i'd like to change the setting to show by default....Where do i put =false
[00:43] <BBLake> the top or the bottom of those three lines?
[00:45] <BBLake> ## hiddenmenu
[00:45] <BBLake> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[00:45] <BBLake> #hiddenmenu
[00:47] <ign0ramus> BBLake: are you editing your /boot/grub/menu.lst file?
[00:47] <BBLake> trying to.
[00:47] <ign0ramus> BBLake: can you pastebin it?
[00:47] <ign0ramus> !paste
[00:47] <BBLake> i've got copied. how do i pastebin...sending it now
[00:48] <ign0ramus> BBLake: huh? copy it, go to pastebin, pastebin it, submit, and post url here
[00:48] <BBLake> way neat
[00:48] <BBLake> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47287/
[00:48] <ign0ramus> there you go :)
[00:49] <ign0ramus> BBLake: except you didn't paste your menu.lst file.... xD
[00:50] <BBLake> i already took the splash out
[00:50] <BBLake> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47288/
[00:50] <BBLake> not sure what i pasted the first time?
[00:50] <BBLake> second time looks like it worked
[00:51] <BBLake> is anything unusual:?  the linux os is on a dedicated hard drive, don't know why it's get something about windows at the bottom
[00:51] <ign0ramus> BBLake: looks good... except you still have 'quiet' on your newest (default) kernel...
[00:51] <ign0ramus> BBLake: isn't that what you were trying to get rid of?
[00:51] <BBLake> ok, i thought it was just splash i was geting rid of
[00:52] <BBLake> what about the show grub menu at startup always?
[00:52] <ign0ramus> BBLake: [7:37PM] <favro> BBLake: I would remove quiet and splash for the default kernel
[00:52] <BBLake> i'm going to delete quite from them all
[00:52] <BBLake> ok, going now.
[00:53] <BBLake> all kernel's have quiet removed.    Now i'll be able to read start-up script and see where it's hanging?
[00:53] <ign0ramus> BBLake: if 'hiddenmenu' is commented, your grub should show on startup
[00:53] <ign0ramus> BBLake: yep
[00:54] <BBLake> ## 'hiddenmenu'
[00:54] <BBLake> # Hides the menu by default (press ESC to see the menu)
[00:54] <BBLake> #'hiddenmenu'
[00:54] <BBLake> like that?
[00:54] <BBLake> ign0, you can't see anything in grub that's holding it up?
[00:55] <ign0ramus> BBLake: no - http://www.debianadmin.com/show-and-hide-the-grub-menu-on-ubuntu.html
[00:55] <ign0ramus> when there's a hash (#) in front of a line, it gets ignored.  if it says 'hidden' but is hashed out, then 'hidden' will be ignored (ie, it will show)
[00:56] <anom01y> anyone know a good program that plays both audio files and video files ?
[00:56] <ign0ramus> anom01y: vlc
[00:56] <anom01y> does it make playlists ?
[00:56] <BBLake> hmm..it won't let me save the changes...permissions
[00:57] <ign0ramus> BBLake: you have to be superuser to edit files in /boot/... use 'kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst' to be able to save changes
[00:57] <anom01y> I have a friend who is a complete newb, I installed Linux to his system, but he doesnt like how he has to switch from amarok to mplayer all the time. lol
[00:57] <anom01y> when he downloaded his music he downloaded both videos and mp3s, and now they are all mixed up
[00:58] <favro> BBLake: close without saving then   alt+F2   and type   kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[00:59] <BBLake> command kate not found...grr
[01:00] <favro> BBLake: kate is an editor - choose another e.g. kwrite
[01:00] <ign0ramus> BBLake: try kedit
[01:00] <ign0ramus> or kwrite :)
[01:00] <favro> nano vim
[01:00] <favro> hehe
[01:00] <anom01y> cool yeah vlc will work good
[01:00] <ign0ramus> favro: he'll get killed with the keyboard shortcuts!
[01:01] <ign0ramus> anom01y: afaik, it doesn't organize your library, though
[01:01] <anom01y> yeah thats fine
[01:01] <ign0ramus> anom01y: but it does play *everything* and the new version just came out like yesterday :)
[01:01] <BBLake> ok got it..everything but disabling hidden menu.   still not sure because one has two hashes the other has one
[01:02] <anom01y> I tried installing a amarok script for him to play video's but I couldnt get it
[01:02] <ign0ramus> BBLake: it ignores after the first hash, so you could have a hundred, and it doesn't matter
[01:02] <pteague> you could also try the mythtv packages, but that kinda eats up a set amount of space (your entire desktop by default)
[01:02] <anom01y> I set the script on "run" and tried opening a video file, but it did not work properly
[01:02] <ign0ramus> anom01y: i saw that too, but it doesn't look ready
[01:02] <BBLake> that clears it up
[01:02] <cleber> Sou novato neste bate-papo
[01:03] <BBLake> ok, going for the reboot..should i be looking for something in particular?
[01:03] <ign0ramus> BBLake: yeah, a hangup xD
[01:03] <BBLake> ok. be back in an hour..lol
[01:04] <cleber> Cara, só eu falo português por aqui?
[01:04] <ign0ramus> !pg | cleber
[01:05] <ign0ramus> shoot, i don't remember the abbreviation xD
[01:05] <ign0ramus> !br
[01:05] <ign0ramus> woot!
[01:06] <cleber> Valeu... Estou saindo e passo para outra sala.
[01:06] <ign0ramus> ok
[01:10] <BBLake> hmmm..ok  nothing changed...lol     Didn't see any script or option or anything...just right to the login screen after considerable time
[01:10] <BBLake> maybe a 12 minute boot time is normal?
[01:11] <ign0ramus> BBLake: weird... did you try my original suggestion- to boot into Recovery Mode?
[01:11] <ign0ramus> BBLake: no, it's not normal
[01:11] <BBLake> don't have th eoption...it blows past th eopportunity to select which one so quickly.
[01:11] <ign0ramus> BBLake: press ESC
[01:12] <BBLake> ok, i will try and hit esc....what will the recovery mode do to help me troubleshoot?
[01:12] <ign0ramus> BBLake: it should show all startup scripts running
[01:12] <BBLake> ok, brb
[01:14] <afeijo> how to make kopete open MSN new msgs on Firefox?
[01:15] <afeijo> new emails
[01:23] <chris_____> uuhm totem is playing my dvd only in spanish... :)
[01:24] <ign0ramus> chris_____: use vlc or kaffeine?
[01:25] <chris_____> totem isnt so great?
[01:25] <ign0ramus> chris_____: not in my experience... maybe someone else can vouch for it, but i've never really liked it
[01:26] <chris_____> ign0ramus: thanks! :)
[01:26] <ign0ramus> chris_____: np
[01:26] <chris_____> will kaffeine work fine in gnome?
[01:27] <ign0ramus> chris_____: sure will- it may download some dependcies, but you can run it.  I suggest VLC
[01:27] <ign0ramus> new version is in the repos now
[01:28] <larryalk> Where can I _download_ a fresh copy of sources.list for Kubuntu 8.04.1?
[01:28] <chris_____> installing vlc..
[01:28]  * SkEmO is rebooting, bbasap
[01:28] <ign0ramus> larryalk: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=739119
[01:30] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Thanks for that info.  I had hoped to find an official Cannonical site to d/l from
[01:30] <larryalk> ign0ramus, I found one once but have lost it.
[01:30] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: is it using qt4  for the GUI? porting complete?
[01:31] <ign0ramus> larryalk: they're in Adept
[01:31] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: what? vlc?
[01:31] <chris_____> ign0ramus: tony soprano speaks english now (sort of) thanks :)
[01:31] <ign0ramus> chris_____: cool... glad it works for you!
[01:31] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: yes; they are aiming for nice qt GUI; screw gtk+ it seems
[01:31] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: the version in the repos is gtk
[01:32] <BBLake> back...did not work.  my finger hurts from hitting ESC so much....nothing....
[01:32] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: nice project (backend at least for now); so i guess i have to wait longer then
[01:32] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: i tried to compile a version this morning, and it was using qt to build, but it would not 'make install' :(
[01:32] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: oh i see
[01:32] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: so i don't know how it would have looked, but it was definitely using qt to build...
[01:33] <BBLake> igno, should i do a re-install, and chuck it up to experience?   I'm planning on starting a solid back-up plan before making any changes i'm not 100% about
[01:33] <ign0ramus> BBLake: try installing qgrubeditor... there's a lot of options for your grub, and it's easy to configure
[01:33] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: it's going the right way :-) gtk+ is depracated anyways; qt4.5 can use gnome theses as well
[01:33] <BBLake> ok, will give it a shot prior to the re-install
[01:33] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: did you see the qt firefox?  looks promising
[01:33] <DreadKnight> deprecated*
[01:34] <Digitel> hello
[01:34] <larryalk> ign0ramus, I'll look at Adept.  Tnx.
[01:34] <Digitel> no
[01:34] <Digitel> español
[01:34] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: seen screenshots but heard it's not really usable; looking forward to a webkit browser (arora; chrome; konqueror)
[01:34] <ign0ramus> larryalk: no problem
[01:35] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: i wish mozilla would use WebKit, but Gecko is their flagship...
[01:35] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: yeah; well firefox might be dumped from ubuntu since the EULA issue
[01:35] <Digitel> lol
[01:36] <Digitel> c:
[01:36] <BBLake> igno, do you think it's because the grub sees a windows os out there that is not out there?
[01:36] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: what, just dumped as a default browser?
[01:36] <sobczyk> DreadKnight: I think theyll just fork it
[01:36] <penguiniator> DreadKnight: not according to Mark Shuttleworth
[01:36] <ign0ramus> BBLake: run "sudo update-grub"
[01:36] <Digitel> good bye
[01:36] <DreadKnight> sobczyk: they'll probably replace it with iceweasel (neat, used it for a while) or emphaty (soon using webkit!)
[01:36] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: yeah, and move it to another repository
[01:37] <BBLake> ok, and i chose their recomendations...  it is updated..
[01:37] <sobczyk> they can create their ow brand,  hough iceweasel would be the smartest choice
[01:37] <BBLake> I interviewed Mark Shuttleworth last thursday for my radio show...Should have asked him about FF
[01:37] <ign0ramus> BBLake: ok, you can also remove unwanted (old) kernels in Adept
[01:37] <ign0ramus> BBLake: a little housekeeping, you know
[01:37] <BBLake> Is that a good idea?, maybe keep the last three type of thing
[01:37] <BBLake> so are kernels, like restore points in a sense?
[01:38] <DreadKnight> emphaty = default gnome browser; great integration into gnome; nice way of installing addons; will soon use the great webkit; best choice imho
[01:38] <ign0ramus> BBLake: do you ever use them?  you can keep them all, if you want
[01:38] <BBLake> i NEVER use them. didnt know they existed until just now.
[01:38] <BBLake> don't want to delete them, maybe i can use an older one to bypass thiss boot issue
[01:38] <BBLake> i'm going to use grub editor to change my default kernel, see if it will boot faster
[01:38] <ign0ramus> BBLake: kernels are not like restore points - it the base of the operating system, which gets updated frequently.  if  you're using a newer one, and everything works, you can ditch the old ones
[01:39] <DreadKnight> sudo apt-get autoremove
[01:39] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: autoremove gets rid of older kernels?
[01:39] <DreadKnight> BBLake: you can choose which kernel to boot, from boot options
[01:39] <BBLake> ok, i get you.  Restore points are my next project.  Can't have these types of issues arise without a back-up..I'd hate to have to re-install because of this issue
[01:39] <sobczyk> ign0ramus: you should  leave one just in case
[01:39] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: yeah;
[01:39] <ign0ramus> sobczyk: i agree.
[01:40] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: that seems a little over-reaching, but i've never had a problem
[01:40] <BBLake> changing my default kernel is a good idea..seems like the logical next step here
[01:40] <DreadKnight> any guys around here using a tablet pc?
[01:40] <ign0ramus> nope
[01:40] <ign0ramus> BBLake: which kernel are you running?
[01:40] <BBLake> I am at work,  on XP however.  They are wicked..I'm a new fan of the thinkpads.
[01:41] <BBLake> 2.6.24-19-generic
[01:41] <ign0ramus> BBLake: i think 24-21-generic is in the regular repos... maybe upgrade?
[01:42]  * DreadKnight hates how linux distros are so stupid regarding tablet pc's... an infinite number of guides on the internet on how to hack the stuff yourself, each in a different but similar way, yet no distro implements an out of the box solution
[01:42] <BBLake> quickest way to upgrade?
[01:42] <BBLake> my pc hasn't asked me for an upgrade in a while.
[01:42] <ign0ramus> BBLake: " sudo apt-get update && upgrade "
[01:42] <sobczyk> ign0ramus: I have too the 24-19 you have proposed repos?
[01:43] <BBLake> ok, going for it.
[01:43] <ign0ramus> sobczyk: i honestly don't know which repo my kernel came from :/
[01:43] <BBLake> we shall see
[01:43] <sobczyk> I had some problems with 24-20 not booting up, was from proposed
[01:43] <ign0ramus> sobczyk: i do have all repos Adept offers checked, and a bunch of others (medibuntu, etc)
[01:43] <ign0ramus> sobczyk: the generic version?
[01:43] <sobczyk> yes
[01:44] <DreadKnight> anyone around familiar with opensuse? would like some feedback about it (version 11 hopefully, using KDE)
[01:44] <BBLake> i think i just upgraded..went quick
[01:44] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Unfortunately the sources.list downloaded from your suggestion is so different I can't compare it to the orig sources.list from the install.
[01:44] <sobczyk> grep proposed /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:45] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Do you know where i can d/l it from a site that will give me the same info in the same order as the install cdrom?
[01:45] <compilerwriter> !live cd
[01:45] <BBLake> ok igno....moved kernel back to 14 to see if that resolves boot issue
[01:45] <ign0ramus> anyone know how to get a completely clean (default) sources.list file for Hardy?
[01:46] <sobczyk> ubuntuforums maybe
[01:46] <ign0ramus> can you rm the current one and have Adept generate a new one?
[01:46] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Where would Adept gen a new one?  In /etc/apt?
[01:46] <burner> anyone playing with vlc 0.9.2 yet?
[01:46] <sobczyk> Adept parses the file sources.list
[01:47] <larryalk> sobczyk, Problem is I don't trust the sources.list I have now.
[01:47] <ign0ramus> burner: got mine today
[01:48] <burner> well where's my deb? :)
[01:48] <ign0ramus> burner: it's in the repos
[01:48] <ign0ramus> burner: you have to purge the old one first
[01:49] <BluesKaj> is there a fix for the K3B upgrade that keeps going in circles in the adept notifier ?
[01:49] <sobczyk> k3b has a broken dependency
[01:50] <sobczyk> wait till the dependant package gets upgraded
[01:50] <DreadKnight> i wonder how many months it takes to fix a broken dependency xD
[01:50] <DreadKnight> sudo apt-get remove k3b if it bothers you :D
[01:50] <sobczyk> I wonder how it ended up in the repos
[01:50]  * burner shrugs and keeps getting 0.8.6.release.h-1ubuntu1 for vlc
[01:50]  * burner can wait :\
[01:51] <DreadKnight> i want qt frontend for vlc xD
[01:51] <ign0ramus> BluesKaj: i purged the old k3b and config files, and updated && installed k3b... works now
[01:51] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Adept doesn't want to gen a new sources.list for me.
[01:51] <ign0ramus> larryalk: i just moved my sources.list file to my desktop, and 'sudo apt-get update'd, and it used just the basic repos
[01:52] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: that worked like charm; BluesKaj you should try it
[01:52] <ign0ramus> larryalk: no, strike, that, it used some other sources... where the heck did they come from?  Hang on... xD
[01:52] <larryalk> ign0ramus, I'll try that.  Have moved my sources* files to a temp dir.
[01:53] <ign0ramus> larryalk: yeah, move them somewhere else, check all the repos in Adept, and Fetch Updates
[01:53] <ign0ramus> larryalk: hopefully that will generate a clean file for you
[01:53] <burner> DreadKnight: did you see the new vlc?  0.9.2 is qt4 based
[01:53] <szakulec> DreadKnight: good news- vlc switched to QT4 for 0.9.x
[01:53] <larryalk> ign0ramus, I checked only the repos in the first page.  Here I go.
[01:53] <DreadKnight> burner: where do i get it from?
[01:53] <DreadKnight> szakulec: i know, but haven't tried it out yet, not sure where to find it
[01:54] <burner> DreadKnight: it should be in the repos soon enough
[01:54] <DreadKnight> do they have a repo for ubuntu for now or debs?
[01:54] <DreadKnight> i really hope the GUI isn't that crappy anymore
[01:54] <szakulec> DreadKnight: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html
[01:54] <burner> that doesn't have updated packages
[01:55] <ign0ramus> i got the new version from the repos... i had to purge the old version first
[01:55] <DreadKnight> indeed, remember i tried it.. at least it didn't had a few days ago
[01:55] <ign0ramus> it looks gtk though...
[01:55] <larryalk> ign0ramus, sudo apt-get updates gave me a new file with only 3 comments in it - no repos
[01:55] <DreadKnight> hmm
[01:56] <ign0ramus> larryalk: did you Fetch Updates in Adept?
[01:56] <DreadKnight> vlc 8.6.0 in repo.. darn
[01:56] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: how the heck did i get the new version then?
[01:56] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: you tell me ! T_T
[01:57] <DreadKnight> ign0ramus: added any repo for it?
[01:57] <burner> ign0ramus: i think you're full of crap ;)  http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=vlc&searchon=names&suite=intrepid&section=all
[01:57] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: i tried compiling, but it said it failed to install, so i purged vlc in konsole, and 'apt-get install vlc' ... that was it
[01:57] <DreadKnight> intrepid?
[01:57] <sobczyk> the last time I tried vlc 9.x it wasn't stable
[01:57] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: unless my install failed because the old vlc was still there...
[01:57] <DreadKnight> heh
[01:58] <larryalk> ign0ramus, Adept won't let me fetch updates even though I checked all the boxes except source code.
[01:58] <ign0ramus> larryalk: :/
[01:58] <burner> sobczyk: just released today
[01:59] <sobczyk> vlc 9.x today?
[01:59] <DreadKnight> it seems so
[01:59] <larryalk> ign0ramus, There is no box that would do something in the Software Sources window.
[01:59] <DreadKnight> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[01:59] <sobczyk> I used the sources
[02:00] <ign0ramus> DreadKnight: i'm not lying - http://i33.tinypic.com/5euxbt.png
[02:00] <sobczyk> back then
[02:00] <burner> ign0ramus: nice :)  it was me calling you out on it though... not DreadKnight ;)
[02:00] <ign0ramus> burner: either way - apt says i have the new version...
[02:00] <BluesKaj> larryalk, did you check third party software as well ?
[02:00] <larryalk> sobczyk, I don't need the sources.  Have compiled much since my Slackware days.
[02:01] <larryalk> BluesKaj, no
[02:01] <sobczyk> I do dev with qt4 so I don't mind
[02:01] <burner> ign0ramus: i see that... i want it!
[02:01] <ign0ramus> burner: i don't have a vlc repo or anything... i don't know how i got it
[02:02] <burner> i'm sure it's just a matter of time
[02:02] <ign0ramus> alright - football time for me
[02:02] <ign0ramus> gnite guys
[02:02] <larryalk> sobczyk, There is only a Reset and Close box in the Software Sources window.  How the heck do i do something?
[02:02] <sobczyk> http://nightlies.videolan.org/
[02:03] <DreadKnight> i think the default ubuntu repositories are updated first rather then the local ones; always happens a small desyncronization :P
[02:03] <sobczyk> Software sources? aptitude?
[02:03] <larryalk> DreadKnight, Where can I download the sources.list from U or Kubuntu ?
[02:05] <DreadKnight> larryalk: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4891154
[02:06] <DreadKnight> sobczyk: ran into that before; i'm not using intrepid, remember it had broken dependencies on hardy; should use debian one instead or what? :P
[02:06] <sobczyk> you can
[02:06] <pteague> is there a way that i can test the individual hard drives? lshw gets to a certain point & then craps out
[02:07] <sobczyk> tes for what? badblocks?
[02:08] <pteague> i can't figure out which 1 is bad... my raid5 crapped out & trying to reassemble it's showing only 1 drive attaching
[02:08] <larryalk> DreadKnight, It seems Adept does the update - when you hit the Close button.  I'm supposed to figure that out?
[02:09] <DreadKnight> larryalk: ? :\
[02:09] <pteague> i'm thinking i've got bad blocks on my /, but not sure...  which could corrupt the programs i'm trying to run to test the raid drives...  i know 1 of the raid drives was dying, but / is an old ide
[02:09] <larryalk> DreadKnight, I only got a single line of standard sources in the file.  I'll try the url you sent.
[02:10] <DreadKnight> larryalk: well, there is the sources.list posted there
[02:10] <DreadKnight> it should solve your problem
[02:11] <sobczyk> pteague: badblocks can test for badsectors
[02:11] <sobczyk> read the manpage though
[02:13] <larryalk> DreadKnight, The sources list I justs d/l is for Ubuntu.  Would that be the same as the list for Kubuntu?
[02:13] <DreadKnight> larryalk: ubuntu shares repo with derivates...
[02:13] <DreadKnight> kubuntu, xubuntu..
[02:14] <larryalk> DreadKnight, OK thanks.  I'll try to edit the file to compare it with my old sources.list.
[02:14] <DreadKnight> larryalk: good luck :-)
[02:14] <larryalk> DreadKnight, Tnx.
[02:15] <sobczyk> http://git.videolan.org/?p=vlc.git;a=summary
[02:16] <sobczyk> 9.2 is 42 hr old be a man get from the git HEAD :]
[02:16] <fiXXXerMet> Hi everyone.  Just installed lm-sensors and hddtemp.  Both can read / display values just fine.  What is a good frontend to see this information?
[02:16] <DreadKnight> sobczyk: that's pretty active
[02:17] <DreadKnight> use bzr and launchpad damn it xD
[02:17] <DreadKnight> (launchpad's fault for being so ubuntu centric i guess)
[02:17] <fiXXXerMet> who??
[02:18] <favro> fiXXXerMet: I like conky
[02:20] <sobczyk> vlc has a subtitle display option?
[02:20] <sobczyk> the new one?
[02:24] <larryalk> DreadKnight, Just to let you know that your url worked fine to d/l a sources.list in the same order as my old one.  Now I'm confident.  Many thanks.
[02:24] <DreadKnight> larryalk: cool; google ftw :-)
[02:28] <fiXXXerMet> favro: conky seems nice!
[02:28] <fiXXXerMet> Just need to configure it right.
[02:29] <favro> there's a post on the forums about showing conky screenshots with rc files
[02:30] <DreadKnight> I've found a VLC 0.9.2 ppa/repository for Hardy! horay
[02:30] <DreadKnight> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/ubuntu hardy main
[02:30] <sobczyk> I'm getting the sources
[02:30] <sobczyk> wonder if I have all the deps
[02:35] <DreadKnight> works nicely but i don't see any shortcuts for now at least..
[02:36] <sobczyk> DreadKnight: /usr/share/applications
[02:36] <sobczyk> there are the shortcuts
[02:37] <sobczyk> you can create your own :)
[02:37] <DreadKnight> sobczyk: i'm running it from konsole actually; right click open with vlc etc still buggy
[02:37] <DreadKnight> anyway, looks pretty sweet
[02:38] <Digitel> que viva la Republica Bolivariana de Venezula y nuestro presidente Hugo chavez fria patria o muerte venseremos
[02:38] <DreadKnight> (something like this http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=444aa444xj4.jpg )
[02:38] <Digitel> que viva la Republica Bolivariana de Venezula y nuestro presidente Hugo chavez fria patria o muerte venseremos
[02:39] <burner> Digitel: que?
[02:39] <Digitel> who lives the Bolivarian Republic of Venezula and our president Hugo Chávez Frías homeland or death Vens, against the North American empire
[02:39] <Digitel> contra el imperio norte americano
[02:40] <Digitel> patria o muerte venseremos  con chavez y venezuela
[02:40] <burner> yo vivo in el imperio
[02:40] <sobczyk> I hate autotools, for every dependency error you have to run the damn thing from the beggining
[02:40] <Digitel> aqui en venezuela no gusta de los norte americanos imperialista
[02:41] <Digitel> ya tenemos f-16 ruso
[02:42] <burner> Digitel: aqui en los estados unidos, no gusta los norte americanos imperialista tambien
[02:42] <DreadKnight> Digitel: can you please go somewhere else with your politics/spam please? Thanks
[02:42] <Digitel> ok
[02:42] <Digitel> que bien
[02:42] <SkEmO> o.o
[02:42] <burner> :)
[02:42] <DreadKnight> gracias xD
[02:42] <SkEmO> si eres de EU, por que hablas en español?
[02:43] <SkEmO> damn lies!
[02:43] <BluesKaj> !es | SkEmO
[02:43] <DreadKnight> :)
[02:43] <SkEmO> ;O
[02:43] <SkEmO> how dare you!
[02:43] <SkEmO> :P
[02:44] <SkEmO> i just type one sentence in spanish and i get the  thingy
[02:44] <SkEmO> :(
[02:44] <Digitel> living bolivarina the republic of venezuela
[02:44] <burner> me gusta los communidad de ubuntu donde la gente hablas en muchas linguas
[02:44] <Digitel> ook
[02:45] <burner> anyone rockin todays flash player update?
[02:46] <burner> the full screen performance blows here
[02:46] <Digitel> helicoteros chino ya llego a venezuela igual con los aviones F-16
[02:46] <burner> Digitel: take that off topic crap somewhere else, por favor :)
[02:46] <Digitel> ok
[02:46] <Digitel> ya
[02:56] <tom_> !chroot
[02:59] <corsario> i'm not undesstand translate my kubuntu for ptbr
[02:59] <corsario> help
[03:00] <NickPresta> Hey All
[03:00] <BluesKaj> hi NickPresta ..ltns!
[03:01] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, yep. Long time indeed. I sort of decided to get off the computer and stuff this summer and just enjoy being outside, friends and anything else I miss out on during the busy school year. =)
[03:02] <mefisto__> DreadKnight: did you install vlc from that ppa repo?
[03:03] <BluesKaj> right ...been busy here as well..just got back on yesterday after a month of projects and moving & travelling
[03:03] <tom_> is it possible to access my real /boot from a chroot
[03:05] <DreadKnight> mefisto__: yes
[03:07] <BBLake> evening all.....question about the login window.   I had the ubuntu studio themed login window at some point, and removed....I tried to reinstall, but it said already installed.   How do i add it back in?
[03:07] <BBLake> also is start-up manager a good app to grab?
[03:10] <mefisto__> DreadKnight: video didn't work for me
[03:10] <DreadKnight> mefisto__: it's problematic but works; fire it up from konsole by typing in "vlc"
[03:12] <surgy> hey guys hows it going?
[03:13] <Daisuke_Ido> DreadKnight: speaking of - heard anything about .9.2 actually making the repos this year/
[03:13] <mefisto__> BBLake: ubuntu studio used gdm by default, doesn't it?
[03:13] <DreadKnight> Daisuke_Ido: might make it into intrepid i hope; someone might backport it to hardy after all
[03:14] <BBLake> i just don't see it in the options anymore mefisto.  I took it out on someone's recomendations, and can't get it back
[03:14] <DreadKnight> mefisto__: yes as i recall, gnome based distro
[03:14] <surgy> I just built me a new computer amd x2 5000+ geforce 8800gt 2gb ram and 500 gb hdd, and now I want to make kubuntu into a speed demon. any suggestions?
[03:14] <mefisto__> BBLake: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[03:14] <DreadKnight> surgy: 64 bits!
[03:14] <NickPresta> surgy, it should already be fast :)
[03:14] <mefisto__> BBLake: and choose gdm when asked
[03:15] <surgy> it is running 64bit version and it is very fast
[03:15] <surgy> but i think it could be faster
[03:15] <NickPresta> I have a similar setup
[03:15] <BBLake> it didn't ask?
[03:15] <BBLake> running again
[03:15] <NickPresta> surgy, how much faster? 1 second?
[03:16] <BBLake> do i need a restart in order for changes to take effect?   Basically, i know the login theme is installed.
[03:16] <surgy> well my boto time could be improved i think. first off i want it to skip the login screen by auto logging me in
[03:16] <BBLake> just can't get login windows manager to find it
[03:16] <surgy> how do i do that?
[03:16] <BBLake> ran the command however.
[03:16] <surgy> boot*
[03:18] <surgy> also when Im running dual monitors using my tv as one monitor and a crt 15 inch it only displays on the  first monitor connected]
[03:19] <DreadKnight> wtf is the matter with flash again? oh my
[03:19] <mefisto__> BBLake: so do you get kdm (the kde login window) or gdm without the ubuntustudio theme?
[03:20] <BBLake> testing. brb
[03:20] <BBLake> not sure, but i believe the ugly light blue one
[03:21] <DreadKnight> !flash
[03:28] <BBLake> damn, i know this is supposede to be easy...why can't i get that back in as an option.  I rebooted and it is the gnome login theme still..everything else i've converted to the UbuntuStudio.
[03:28] <BBLake> is it a particular file that i can search for on my box?
[03:31] <mefisto__> BBLake: I don't use gnome so I'm not exactly sure, but I think there should be "login window" or something in the system submenu, where you can choose the theme that gdm will use
[03:32] <BBLake> there is, but the option for the ubuntustudio theme is not there.   But i know it's installed on my box..just can't get it in as an option
[03:33] <mefisto__> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntustudio-gdm-theme
[03:34] <BBLake> right on...that was it...i swear linux guys should run the world...(if they arent already)
[03:35] <BBLake> thanks mefisto.  Someone told me it was the kde themes destroying my boot.  But it's more kernel specific.
[03:35] <BBLake> If i boot from kernel .14 no issue,  kernel .19 takes 12 minutes.
[03:35] <mn> 12 min to boot?
[03:35] <BBLake> Don't know how to resolve, but that's my next project, now that i'm back to square one
[03:36] <BBLake> brutal i know.  can't figure out what it is, but someone mentioned it was the login theme.  ??? (didn't make much sense)
[03:36] <BBLake> with an older kernel (still trying to figure out the concept), it boots much quicker.  Maybe a corrupt kernel?
[03:36] <mn> hmm, i don't know
[03:36] <mn> it could be
[03:37] <mn> if you're booting the same thing then it wouldn't be more auto-run apps or anything
[03:37] <BBLake> do auto-run apps begin before the login screen?   (something else to check)
[03:37] <BBLake> seems they wouldn't start until after i login
[03:38] <mn> in Win they do
[03:38] <mefisto__> BBLake: if you have ubuntustudio, you should have a realtime kernel installed.  the grub menu entries should have -rt on the end.
[03:38] <mn> well maybe not apps but scripts
[03:39] <BBLake> is there a difference between ubuntustudio, and a ubuntustudio theme?   thought i was downloading wallpaper and login theme
[03:39] <mn> What's a realtime kernel?
[03:39] <BBLake> checking grub menu though
[03:40] <juan-intrepid> if my kernels are missing from /boot how do i put them back there, ive done update-initramfs but i dont think thats enough
[03:42] <mefisto__> mn: realtime kernel is important for audio work. it gives audio the highest priority, to aviod skips and glitches when recording, etc, and to maintain good audio syncing
[03:42] <mn> oh, i don't think I need that then.  I don't really do the multimedia thing
[03:43] <BBLake> i would like to broadcast through ubuntu, but unfortunately that's the last thing holding me back from windows.    the realtime kernel might be the solution
[03:43] <mefisto__> BBLake: if you've installed ubuntustudio-desktop that should have installed an rt kernel
[03:45] <mefisto__> BBLake: eg, my default kernel displayed at the top of the grub menu is Ubuntu 8.04.1, kernel 2.6.24-21-rt
[03:46] <mn> 2.6.24 is the newest in the repos right?
[03:46] <BBLake> hmm..not there...it doesn't show the -rt..maybe that is the problem with the boot-up...if ubuntu is looking for the realtime kernel
[03:46] <BBLake> how can i upgrade to that kernel, and do you recommend it?
[03:47] <juan-intrepid> a realtime kernel will not speed up boot and realtime kernels are lest test then the standard so i wouldnt recomend it
[03:48] <mefisto__> BBLake: sudo apt-get install linux-image-rt
[03:49] <mefisto__> BBLake: but if you installed ubuntustudio-desktop (or installed your system from the ubuntustudio cd) it should have installed the realtime kernel
[03:50] <BBLake> i did not...Again, i thought i was just downloading the theme....i have a standard ubuntu install, and have added (what i thought) was just flashy ubuntustudio wallpaper, and themes, and login etc.
[03:51] <BBLake> perhaps my pc is just as confused as i am
[03:51] <mefisto__> BBLake: if you want ubuntustudio, you can sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[03:51] <mefisto__> BBLake: that will install lots of audio and video apps
[03:52] <BBLake> i have done that...and have the apps
[03:52] <mefisto__> BBLake: as well as the realtime kernel, of course
[03:52] <BBLake> i believe i have everything but the .rt kernel.
[03:52] <BBLake> hmmm, it says i have it when i ran the linux image-rt
[03:53] <BBLake> i guess i have it then
[03:53] <BBLake> so, i'm going to try and reboot into the older kernel, see what happens.
[03:53] <mefisto__> BBLake: look at your grub menu: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:53] <mn> Why can I not find OO.o-math??
[03:54] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is is possible to change the icons of items in Network Folders in Dolphin?
[03:54] <BBLake> i did, nothing says -rt.  perhaps a reboot will bring it up as an option.  It said already installed when i ran the command you pasted
[03:54] <BBLake> but not showing in grub
[03:55] <BBLake> linux-image-rt is already the newest version.
[03:55] <mefisto__> BBLake: something odd is going on. try installing with the --reinstall option: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-rt
[03:56] <BBLake> ok, it loaded i saw -rt...
[03:56] <BBLake> it shouldbe in grub at this point?
[03:57] <mefisto__> BBLake: take a look: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:58] <ubuntu_> amigos, me pueden dar el enlace de Kubuntu español?
[03:58] <BBLake> yep, the latest two have it, it was way down at th ebottom.  gonig to try and reboot to that kernel, then see if it resolves the issue
[03:58] <BBLake> If not, i may just wipe this hard drive, start from scratch...not sure where i went wrong, but i cannot handle a 12 minute boot
[03:59] <mefisto__> !es
[04:00] <ubuntu_> ubottu: thanks
[04:00] <CoJaBo-Eee> I can change it if I copy the link anywhere else, but in Network Folders it always shows a question mark.
[04:00] <BBLake> brb..thanks mefisto....assuming this works anyway
[04:00] <sidereal42> ubottu: hello
[04:01] <sidereal42> ubottu: are you a bot?
[04:02] <CoJaBo-Eee> lol
[04:02] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Eee: right-click the items and go to properties. you should be able to change the icon by clicking the icon shown in properties
[04:04] <CoJaBo-Eee> mefisto__: That option shows up and lets me select one, but when the item is in Network Places it ignores the icon change and shows the question mark one instead.
[04:05] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Eee: kde3? and have you changed the kde icon theme?
[04:06] <CoJaBo-Eee> mefisto__: KDE 4.1
[04:09] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Eee: looks like the icon theme that comes with kde4 is incomplete. you could try installing another one from kde-look.org or downloading extra icons for the default kde4 theme (oxygen)
[04:10] <CoJaBo-Eee> Would that fix it tho? It lest me select icons, just not when the item is in Network Places.
[04:15] <mefisto__> kde4 icons are here: /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons/oxygen/ kde3 icons are here: /usr/share/icons/
[04:16] <Wicked> hello all. how can i force konqueror to always used the detailed view? when i look at a pick then hit back...it switches view to thumbnail
[04:16] <BBLake> OK...i am convinced, some kernels take forever to boot....other kernels boot in 1 minute
[04:16] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Eee: you could try symlinking the icons you want to use in kde4 from the kde3 locations
[04:16] <BBLake> so the question is why?
[04:16] <mefisto__> BBLake: was the rt kernel slow to boot?
[04:17] <BBLake> yes..brutal...
[04:17] <BBLake> all of them are except for .14, and i have no idea why
[04:17] <CoJaBo-Eee> mefisto__: The problem isn't that I can't find the icons, it is that after I select them they aren't used if the item is in the Network Places folder.
[04:18] <LeeJunFan> omg, what a pain that was - just got alsa all setup with different mixers for amarok,notifications, and got amarok to play stereo mp3's out all 6 speakers.
[04:20] <mefisto__> CoJaBo-Eee: what if you choose the icon by going through the "browse..." button and choosing a specific file?
[04:22] <CoJaBo-Eee> mefisto__: Same problem, it doesn't seem to matter what icon I choose. But if I copy the item out of network places, it changes fine.
[04:23] <CoJaBo-Eee> Seems like the Network Places folder is treated specially, and that breaks icon changing.
[04:24] <isaac_> is it possible in konqueror to do a split view with one being a konsole session?
[04:25] <isaac_> i swear i have dont somethign similar to it before
[04:27] <mefisto__> isaac_: I think it's F4. I don't know because my F4-F8 buttons don't work on this keyboard
[04:28] <mefisto__> isaac_: you can add a button for it on the toolbar (show terminal emulator)
[04:29] <isaac_> thats it!!
[04:29] <isaac_> thank you!
[04:30] <mefisto__> isaac_: you might want to try installing yakuake
[04:30] <isaac_> what is it?
[04:30] <ubuntu_> amigos, me dan el enlace de Kubuntu en español.
[04:30] <mefisto__> terminal app that pops down from top of the screen when you press F12
[04:31] <isaac_> ooo, im going to give it a try
[04:32] <seba__> link spanish kubuntu irc please
[04:32] <mefisto__> !es
[04:39] <sidereal42> !en
[04:42] <Kevin_> So hi out there. I've got Ubuntu Server Edition installed on a headless box and I've installed the kde-core package onto it. I'm trying to keep my box free of excess software so I don't want to install the entire kde metapackage. How should I go about adding software to Ubuntu/KDE?
[04:49] <favro> Kevin_: you can install what you like - I do that with fluxbox thunar mousepad etc
[04:49] <Kevin_> favro, ok thanks
[04:49] <favro> Kevin_: you've got X working?
[04:50] <Kevin_> favro, well until about a minute ago I had X runnning and a VNC server working... then I changed some stuff and broke the whole thing >.<
[04:50] <favro> heh
[04:50] <CoJaBo> lol
[04:54] <Kevin_> So if ive got a setup in which I ssh into my server and establish a tunnel, and then connect my vnc client to the established tunnel, would that appear to be a login from localhost (the server accessing "itself") or would that appear to be a remote login?
[04:55] <favro> !vnc | kevin this has a ssh vnc howto
[05:00] <seba___> hello all please i need Kubuntu IRC spanish
[05:01] <Kevin_> favro, indeed I have read many guides on setting up a VNC server on my server, my objective is to login using kdm. I've also read many guides on that topic and had it configured until a moment ago when I decided to mess around with the configuration -_- I just wanted to know how kdm would see my connection through the vnc program.
[05:01] <seba___> hola necesito el link de kubuntu en espanol
[05:02] <favro> Kevin_: I was under the impression you coudn't login through vnc
[05:02] <seba___> hola necesito el link de kubuntu en espanol
[05:02] <favro> !es
[05:03] <Kevin_> favro, it is very difficult to set up (it has nearly left me in tears a couple of times) but it is possible and, I hope, will be well worth it once I've worked the kinks out.
[05:04] <favro> Kevin_: that would be nice info to share in a howto or blog :)
[05:05] <Kevin_> favro, I've been contemplating that... I hope to do so once I've got the process down and have a fully functional environment (the reason behind my first question)
[05:06] <Kevin_> favro, :D I just got things working again... now to see if disabling XDMRC or whatever will break em again ^_^
[05:07] <favro> hehe
[05:07] <favro> good luck :)
[05:11] <SkEmO> i might go off suddlenly i must warn you, some transformers are esplodeing around the city
[05:12] <SkEmO> an no, no decepticons nor autobots -.-"
[05:15] <Kevin_> favro, sure enough, that one little thing turns out to be all important.... well now I think I've got things secured a bit... all that's left is to install the bells and whistles :) I have the kde-core package installed right now, do you think you could recommend to me some other packages to install?
[05:18] <favro> Kevin_: depends what you'll be using it for - a filmanager and yext editor would be handy
[05:18] <favro> s/yext/text/
[05:19] <Kevin_> favro, got it. Ill look into things... hopefully I'll be able to get things done by saturday and after that, HOWTO time :) thanks for all your help :D cya
[06:21] <sidereal42> is there any way to make bash's tab completion non-case-sensitive?
[06:22] <sidereal42> also to anyone here using irssi: any way to hide the join/leave messages?
[06:34] <anom01y> hi, I installed the tovid package, and I noticed it is not working because a critical program dependency is missing. The name of that program is makedvd, and I am not sure what package that is included with
[06:35] <anom01y> I also noticed that growisofs is not in the repositories..
[06:35] <anom01y> does anyone here use tovid ? and if so, how did you get it working ?
[06:46] <ubuntu_> !es
[06:46] <SkEmO> o.O
[06:46] <SkEmO> O.o
[07:12] <v6lur> hi: when compiling ktt (kde tengwar tool), i get this error: "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found"
[07:12] <v6lur> libqt3-mt-dev and qt3-dev-tools are installed
[07:13] <v6lur> what else must i install?
[07:25] <ocs> (kubuntu 8.04 kde4) hi, for some reasons all the icons in the toolbar are compressed to the left side, and i can't restore the normal situation (in which their position is distribuited trhough the entire bar length.). What can i do? thnks
[07:28] <favro> ocs: it's #kubuntu-kde4 for kde4 support :)
[07:30] <Speedy2> Hey all.  Has anyone else had issues running Kubuntu 8.04.1 in VirtualBox?
[07:31] <Speedy2> I googled and found others reporting this problem, but no real solutions.  I think I ran Kubuntu 8.04 in VBox without issues.
[07:37] <Speedy2> Host is Vista Home edition, CPU is AMD X2
[09:44] <haider> hello
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[10:36] <ales> Hi all! I run gnome-do in KDE, but whenever I try to open a *.doc or *.pdf file (Files and folders plugin) nothing happens. Programs and other features work ok. What can I do?
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> ales: do you have kpdf and open office installed
[10:37] <ales> ActionParsnip: Hi, yes both
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> ales: have you set default programs for each file type?
[10:39] <ales> ActionParsnip: Yes, if I open them with konqueror there is no problem (just double-click and works)
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> ales: ok so whats this gnome do malarky?
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> ales: ive not seen that one
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> ales: is it like katapult?
[10:42] <ales> ActionParsnip: Yes, but better :)
[10:42] <ales> ActionParsnip: really, it can index my folders - really useful
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> ales: index folders?
[10:43] <ActionParsnip> doesnt look bad, I use command line for modt of that stuff
[10:43] <ales> ActionParsnip: In a way. It doesnt really index them, but it collects all folder and file names for easy access.
[10:44] <ales> ActionParsnip: Similar to launchy - if you know it
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> ales: not used it, sorry
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> ales: you could try cd ~/; ls -a
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> and renaming the .gnome-do folder (or similar)
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> Then rerun it
[10:45] <ales> ActionParsnip: Oh, I understand what you mean.
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> this will set your settings back to default
[10:45] <fReAkY[t]> how can I configure my desktop effects?
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> if its no good, just rename back
[10:45] <ales> ActionParsnip: I'll try that, thanks
[10:45] <fReAkY[t]> i mean, configure them myself - what package do i have to install?
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> !compiz | fReAkY[t]
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> fReAkY[t]: I think you need ccsm
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> fReAkY[t]: but the folks in #compiz should be able to help
[10:48] <fReAkY[t]> ok thank you
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> np
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> i also sends folks there as i refuse to help compiz issues
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> anyone know the candidate release date for 8.10
[10:51] <Linux_Galore> ie the first none alpha
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> Linux_Galore: the 30th October or therabots
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> thats the final release Im talking about the candidate
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> Linux_Galore: is hardy not working for you??
[10:53] <Linux_Galore> got a brand new P45 rig
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Linux_Galore: i dunno then, i only use official stuff
[10:54] <Linux_Galore> I need the 2.26 kernel for the new southbridge
[10:54] <ActionParsnip> Linux_Galore: you could ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Linux_Galore: you can compile it
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> ActionParsnip: will do
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> www.kernel.org
[10:55] <Linux_Galore> ActionParsnip: I have a life
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> then you must wait
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> i have a life too but dont mind compiling kernels
[11:08] <alx54> can somebody plllzzzz help me for a sec? What does one mean by " I just add the png use flag in my make.conf."? Its on http://tinyurl.com/5rjxo6 and I have the same problem with amarokscreensaver not showing pictures.. they seem to have solved the problem I just dont understand how!? THankS!!
[11:10] <ActionParsnip> alx54: its just a script, you load it into the script manager afaik
 yeh I know, it just doesnt work =(
[11:13] <techbw> hi all, is there a way for me to upgrade using kubuntu 8.04 DVD iso, I can't burn it as laptop does not have dvd rom, nor do I have floppies.
[11:13] <techbw> I am currently on 7.04
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | techbw
[11:15] <techbw> thanks checking it out now
[11:17] <techbw> ok I see it is not supported to upgrade direct from 7.04 to 8.04, then how could I do a complete fresh install from and iso image, I have searched online, but don't quite understand how to get it to boot from a usb removable drive, since the laptop too does not support usb boot option
[11:17] <techbw> no network boot either
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> techbw: sudo apt-get install upgrade-manager; kdesu upgrade-manager
[11:18] <techbw> ok, but then I would have to upgrade via the internet, which I was trying to avoid since it is quite expensive (africa!!!)
[11:19] <jussi01> techbw: upgrade thru 7.10, then 8.04
[11:20] <marcreichelt> hi there!
[11:20] <marcreichelt> I just updated the package gtk-qt-engine, and now all my GTK applications (Firefox, Thunderbird, GIMP) look horrible.
[11:20] <techbw> there must be a way out there that I can install via my removable usb drive, only problem would be to get the computer to boot from it, there must be a small package that allows this, heard of one that does it, but can't seem to remember the name
[11:21] <marcreichelt> is this problem known, and what can I do to fix this?
[11:21] <stdin> techbw: there is no package to give your computer the ability to boot from USB, it's down to the BIOS to have that ability
[11:23] <marcreichelt> techbw: I think you mean "syslinux"
[11:24] <marcreichelt> or maybe you mean http://klik.atekon.de/liveusb/
[11:25] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[11:25] <techbw> I think that may be it
[11:25] <jura> je tu naky cech?
[11:25] <TiredWolf> !cz
[11:39] <marcreichelt> does anybody have an idea about my problem with the gtk-qt-engine?
[11:52] <wesley_> !adeptfix
[11:58] <marcreichelt> wesley_: do you mean me? I have no problem with APT
[11:58] <wesley_> no was for myself
[11:58] <marcreichelt> k ;)
[11:58] <wesley_> i go irc on and just give a command
[12:02] <guest71> ciao
[12:05] <guest73> cordio gay
[12:12] <tom_> short question as a linux newby:  You all know that if you put a link to an executable into the usr/bin path, it will be accessable form the shell...  is it possible to do the same thing in a directory within my home directory? since I dont have root rights...
[12:17] <freaky[t]> how can i change my systems' language from german to english?
[12:18] <tom_> @freaky[t]  System Setttings - > Regional and Language
[12:23] <rosco> Elo!
[12:23] <freaky[t]> tom_: are you sure that changes the language of the whole system? (also console apps)?
[12:26] <laga_> hello. what's a good semantic desktop solution for kde 3.5?
[12:26] <Dragnslcr> tom_- you can add any directory you want to your PATH environment variable
[12:28] <tom_> Dragnslcr ahh thx.. where is the best place in kubuntu to do that, if I don't have root rights?
[12:29] <Dragnslcr> Not sure offhand, but I'd guess that Google will have quite a few hits for setting the path environment variable
[12:29] <tom_> I would like to have some text file which would list all the directories which get added to the PATH variable when i log in to my account
[12:30] <marcreichelt> tom_: you can choose any directory you want to
[12:30] <marcreichelt> I choose /home/<user>/bin for that
[12:31] <tom_> yope marcreichelt i figured that... Now i want to know where the best place would be to add these paths by default to my shell when i log in to my account
[12:32] <tom_> like a text file for example with all custom PATh directories which wouldbe called by the shell by default when logging in
[12:32] <marcreichelt> I would recommend the .bashrc
[12:33] <tom_> kk.. I'll ty that
[12:34] <techbw> is there a way to use a boot cd, to start an installation of another distro from hard drive?
[12:35] <tom_> thx marcreichelt.. seems to work
[12:38] <techbw> is what I asked actually possible for me to do?
[12:39] <marcreichelt> techbw: theoretically yes
[12:40] <marcreichelt> every installation cd does nothing else than to start a simple Linux live system and then executes the installation program
[12:41] <techbw> how would I be able to run the setup of ubuntu studio from my current installation
[12:41] <techbw> where is the installation executable located on the ubuntu disks?
[12:41] <marcreichelt> you have an existing Ubuntu installed on your hard drive?
[12:43] <techbw> or should I ask is it an executable file that needs to be run ... to start the installation
[12:43] <marcreichelt> than you can just type "sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop"
[12:44] <marcreichelt> but from your normal system, don't use a LiveCD for that
[12:45] <techbw> problem is bandwidth is expesnive,,,I already have a DVD but my laptop does not have DVD rom
[12:45] <marcreichelt> ah - you have the Ubuntustudio-DVD?
[12:46] <techbw> yeah ... ubuntustudio dvd
[12:46] <techbw> now I can't install it, because I have no means to boot from DVD nor am I able to boot from usb
[12:46] <marcreichelt> hmm, that is complicated - the easiest way to to that would be to buy or borrow a DVD rom
[12:47] <techbw> would not help...can't boot from usb...lappie is a bit old
[12:47] <marcreichelt> hehe, and you want to install _ubuntustudio_ on that? ;)
[12:48] <techbw> lol...you donm't think it will run???  I had 8.04 running on the lappie
[12:48] <jussi01> techbw: do you have another pc with a dvd-rom?
[12:48] <techbw> yes I do...was also thinking of taking hdd out of laptop....and installing on another pc...and just plug it back in to the laptop...have 2.5" ide convertor everything would this work
[12:49] <jussi01> techbw: you could try net boot.
[12:49] <techbw> can't net boot...no network adapter...only wireless
[12:49] <jussi01> oh
[12:49] <faemir> Anyone know how the qt4 port of adept is coming along?
[12:50] <faemir> I mean, is it planned for 8.10
[12:50] <jussi01> faemir: Id ask in #kubuntu-kde4 or #kubuntu-devel
[12:50] <faemir> Okay, thanks
[12:50] <techbw> would pcmcia network adapter work for netboot...the one I have is not supported by window$ might work on linux though have not tried
[12:51] <jussi01> techbw: just explain again what you have, then I can get a an idea...
[12:51] <techbw> but would my option on removing the hdd and inserting in a desktop to install and then move the hdd back to laptop work?
[12:51] <techbw> I have a laptop, that does not have DVD rom, does not boot from usb and would like to install ubuntustudio on it
[12:52] <marcreichelt> techbw: buy a new laptop
[12:52] <marcreichelt> ;)
[12:52] <faemir> Get an external drive?
[12:53] <techbw> i have external drive iso as well as iso extracted on it
[12:53] <techbw> i have a new laptop and it works fine
[12:53] <techbw> with ubuntu 8.04
[12:53] <jussi01> techbw: ok, so what does the lappy have on it atm?
[12:54] <techbw> it has 7.04 and upgrading via internet would be out cos of the cost
[12:54] <techbw> free in cost...but badwidth is expensive
[12:54] <jussi01> techbw: do you have an alternate cd for 7.10? (or can you get one?
[12:54] <techbw> no, I don't ... 8.04 cd though but not alternate
[12:55] <techbw> ordered through shipit
[12:55] <jussi01> right.
[12:55] <jussi01> does the lappy have a cdrom?
[12:55] <techbw> yeah it does
[12:55] <jussi01> ok. I would install the 8.04 you have on it.
[12:55] <techbw> problem 8.04 does not boot on lappie..works on othe desktop and laptop but not on this one
[12:56] <jussi01> ahhh
[12:56] <jussi01> hrm
[12:56] <techbw> lol
[12:56] <techbw> 7.04 did the same..think I should write new disk at lower speed, cos that worked on 7.04
[12:57] <techbw> but from 8.04 install how would I get ubuntustudio on?
[12:57] <techbw> if I can get 8.04 cd working by re-burning the disk
[12:58] <TiredWolf> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop i believe
[12:58] <jussi01> techbw: hrm, you could mount the iso of the studio dvd then add it as a repository, or just apt-get it (depending on bandwith cost)
[12:58] <TiredWolf> and then you probably have to switch to the realtime kernel manually
[12:58] <jussi01> TiredWolf: his banwidth costs loads...
[12:59] <jussi01> and the realtime would then be the first kernal on the list
[13:00] <techbw> so mount iso apt-get cdrom?
[13:00] <TiredWolf> afraid not
[13:00] <TiredWolf> at least, last time i tried, "apt-get cdrom" (is that even the right command?) ignored ISOs
[13:01] <ghostcube> just get isomaster somehow and reedit the iso ?
[13:01] <techbw> don't know never tried alternate cd before...so would have to search...but you say it does not detect iso images...so thats another thing to overcome
[13:02] <techbw> is there a way to split the iso into several disks like open suse had multiple disks at a stage
[13:02] <TiredWolf> techbw, well, try, i'm not 100% sure it doesn't. and if it doesn't, it's probably just a matter of adding the right line to sources.list anyway
[13:02] <techbw> ok so I would then have to add the exact location on the iso to the repo
[13:03] <techbw> ?
[13:03] <TiredWolf> techbw, what i would do is put any Ubuntu CD in the CD drive, do the adding, then look at the new line in sources.list and edit it
[13:03] <techbw> deb /mount/cdrom/repos/file
[13:03] <TiredWolf> i don't remember what that line looks like
[13:03] <TiredWolf> techbw: not sure that works, but you could try (perhaps prepend file://)
[13:04] <techbw> aaahhh F*&&^ it will just load 8.04 on this machine...and ubuntu studio on the other lappie
[13:04] <techbw> will try at a later time...just don't have the time right now
[13:05] <techbw> either that or donate lappie to under privilaged kid or somthing...frikken battery does not work on it so it's more a mobile pc now
[13:07] <haider> hi
[13:07] <techbw> thanks for the help guys...will see at a later stage...when I have more time to look into ways to get it working...It's more a learning thing, than I really need to have it.  Testing out all the distros to see which I like more...Kubuntu seems to be my favourite at the moment. Don't like the look of gnome
[13:07] <haider> how can i make my web cam working ?
[13:08] <login_> oi
[13:08] <login_> alguem me ajuda a acessar o amsn??
[13:08] <techbw> cheers all, will be back later and try and do the install...first will try remove the laptop hdd and install in desktop as I already have conversion adapter to do it..then install on desktop and put it back in laptop...read a blog on how to do that a while back
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[13:08] <techbw> so hopefully that works, thanks again
[13:08] <techbw> cheers
[13:09] <login_> alguem me ajuda a acessar o amsn??
[13:10] <jussi01> !es
[13:13] <hw_> I want to make a script that ask me for a passwd on login. Are there any script API's or script GUI's for KDE?
[13:15] <jussi01> hw_: err, doesnt kde already do that?
[13:16] <hw_> jussi01: I want to use this for mount cmd without putting my passwd into /etc/fstab
[13:16] <hw_> Are there GUI's for the mount cmd?
[13:17] <jussi01> hw_: its easier just to put you password into an encrpyted file which the fstab checks
[13:17] <jussi01> hw_: see this page: http://anothersysadmin.wordpress.com/2007/12/17/howto-mount-samba-shares-in-fstab-using-a-credential-file/
[13:17] <hw_> jussi01: In this case I need a passphrase to de-crypt
[13:33] <hw_> jussi01: In case you're interessed: kdialog is useful... =)
[13:35] <TiredWolf> oh yes it is
[13:39] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[13:43] <weyland> i try to use an application that has to use port 5140. is it possible that this port cannot be used or that another application is using it? and how can i find that out?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: netstat
[13:43] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: will show whats using it
[13:44] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: Port 5140 is not assigned by IANA
[13:46] <weyland> it seems that port 5140 is not used at the moment. is it possible that this port cannot be used by certain applications or do i need rights to use it or could it be blocked?
[13:47] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: you can use port 5140 as IANA has not assigned it to a protocol (e.g.FTP = port 21)
[13:48] <ActionParsnip1> so you can run the app and it will use the designated bort, you can probably reconfigure it to use a different port if you wish
[13:49] <weyland> then it seems that my problem has nothing to do with ports
[13:49] <weyland> thx for your help
[13:49] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: np man
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: you can use any port number from about 1000 to 37624
[13:50] <ActionParsnip1> (or max_int ;))
[13:52] <weyland> ActionParsnip1: well the problem is, that i want to use the netbeans profiler and it seems it cannot connect to the java vm. the profiler uses port 5140 nad i thought it is perhaps a problem with the port. that it is blocked in some way or anything like that. unfortunately i do not have any networking experiences with linux...
[13:53] <weyland> ActionParsnip1: Is it possible that iptables blocks communication over this port?
[13:53] <ActionParsnip1> do you run firestarter or anything like that?
[13:55] <weyland> firestarter? i do not know that application. i got this completely configured computer from our system admin...
[13:57] <ActionParsnip1> its a firewall frontend to iptables
[13:57] <ActionParsnip1> you should be able to connect to the port if its running
[13:58] <weyland> it is not running
[13:58] <ActionParsnip1> run the app then run netstat in konsole
[13:58] <weyland> and ip tables rules accept everything afai can see
[13:59] <weyland> how can i figure out if a firewall is running? perhaps the sys admin has installed one on my system...
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> if you havent installed one yu dont have it
[13:59] <ActionParsnip1> dpkg -l | grep fire
[14:00] <weyland> ufw is installed, but it is not loaded
[14:00] <weyland> ...says "ufw status"
[14:01] <Matys> holas
[14:02] <Matys> hay alguno buena onda que me pueda responder alguna duda ?
[14:02] <jussi01> !es
[14:02] <ActionParsnip1> hi jussi01
[14:02] <jussi01> hey ActionParsnip1
[14:07] <avihayb> is purge in apt-get the same thing as remove compleatly in synaptic? or in other words, dose it remove the settings too?
[14:07] <Pici> avihayb: It removes all settings that are not in your users home directory.  Those are never touched (by either process).
[14:08] <avihayb> Pici: thanks for the clarification
[14:10] <xomp> I need to read a .chm file, I've used xchm? in the past but don't know what KDE has to offer in terms of software for it. Can someone help?
[14:12] <ActionParsnip1> xomp: how about http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-convert-chm-files-to-html-or-pdf-files.html
[14:13] <Dragonath> how do I find out if I have i686 architecture?
[14:13] <Pici> Dragonath: uname -a
[14:14] <Dragonath> ah thanks
[14:16] <ActionParsnip1> xomp: is that ok or would you rather not convert?
[14:19] <avihayb> where can I see battery data on a laptop? I preffer comand line.
[14:21] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=367978
[14:23] <avihayb> ActionParsnip1: thanks for bothering for me. damn, this thing dosn't work right
[14:23] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb: in what way?
[14:23] <avihayb> well, I first ran sudo acpi -b. no opuput
[14:24] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb: have you disabled acpi in grub
[14:24] <avihayb> *output
[14:24] <avihayb> no, I havn't
[14:24] <avihayb> then I run acpi, without sudo, and it showed the status, wrong as it may be
[14:24] <avihayb> now, I can't get it to show anything... :-<
[14:25] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb:  cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT*/state
[14:25] <ActionParsnip1> try that
[14:25] <ActionParsnip1> it may need sudo but try it as you first
[14:26] <avihayb> oh, that's more like what i've been looking for
[14:26] <ecarmona> Hi! Guys! I switched to intrepid yesterday and it's not usable.... my desktop doesn't even start
[14:26] <ActionParsnip1> !intrepid | ecarmona
[14:26] <ActionParsnip1> ecarmona: its not released and considered broken
[14:26] <ecarmona> oh, ok.... let me go there
[14:27] <ecarmona> thanks guys!
[14:27] <ActionParsnip1> ecarmona: did hady not work for you?
[14:27] <ActionParsnip1> *hardy
[14:28] <ecarmona> oh, I was OK with hardy.... I just wanted to test intrepid as it was getting close to beta
[14:28] <avihayb> well, designe capacity is 1297mAh, last full capacity 12305mAh .....
[14:28] <ecarmona> maybe I just jumped in too soon. :-)
[14:28] <weyland> it's me again. i advanced one step further. the application i tried to run uses a library in my home directory. this directory is network mounted and if i move the library to another place it works. but is it possible to change the attributes of the network mount to make it run without this workaround?
[14:28] <ActionParsnip1> ecarmona: when its ready your system will update you
[14:29] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: id contact the devs
[14:30] <weyland> weyland: what do you mean? i just want to alter my nfs mount, so that the library can be used without moving...
[14:30] <weyland> omg
[14:30] <avihayb> ActionParsnip1: well, they dis say that the battery detection for this model is more or less broken. I was hoping though...
[14:30] <weyland> i replied to myself ;)
[14:30] <avihayb> dis->did
[14:31] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb: then i guess you're gonna have to keep an eye out, does the second command i gave you not fly?
[14:32] <weyland> ActionParsnip1: what do you mean? i just want to alter my nfs mount, so that the library can be used without moving...
[14:32] <avihayb> well, I can get all the data I want from the proc library, just didn't know that the batery was under acpi. problem is the data is false
[14:32] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: then mount the folder differently
[14:32] <weyland> is it possible to do a nfs mount allowing files to be executed?
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: yes you need to add some uIDS to the mount to allow users write access (If i understand you right)
[14:33] <avihayb> working on battery power, and cat state shows : present:                 no
[14:34] <ActionParsnip1> avihayb: maybe a bios update would help (risky)
[14:36] <icelab> hi. konqueror drive me crax
[14:36] <icelab> crazy
[14:36] <icelab> anyone use it to see flash film like youtube?
[14:36] <ocs> hi. i did something wrong with the bottom panel bar. Is there a way to easily restore it to default values ?
[14:38] <icelab> what kinds of problem ocs?
[14:39] <avihayb> ActionParsnip1: I found a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/147560 I guess it's not a bios issue. it's with this entire MSI family. suspend recovery halts the computer too
[14:39] <avihayb> thank you ubuntu bot
[14:39] <ocs> all the icons are moved to the left, i don't see anymore the clock, i don't see anymore applications reduced to icons... etc.
[14:39] <avihayb> MSI is showing some lack of intrest in linux in they're website...
[14:40] <weyland> i do not get it working on my own :( can anyone help me to alter my network mount so that it allows execution of files? command so far is (salvia.idsia.supsi.ch:/data/homes       /home   nfs     rsize=8192,wsize=8192,user      0       0)
[14:40]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee
[14:41] <genii> ocs: This is KDE 4?
[14:41] <ocs> genii: yes
[14:42] <ocs> genii: i've restored plasma-appletsrc. let's try
[14:43] <tobor> Hi all just installed K-Heron.  What is the reccomended package management tool for this release? the apt[-get -cache] command, or aptitude or something else ?
[14:44] <ActionParsnip1> weyland: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[14:44] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: same as always, apt-get aptitude or synaptic
[14:44] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: thanks for the confirmation.  I never liketo assume... :-D
[14:45] <tobor> !info meta
[14:45] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: try what you know, if it doesnt work, get online
[14:45] <ActionParsnip1> !metapackage | tobor
[14:45] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: I never meta a metapackage......
[14:46] <icelab> ocs have resolve the problem?
[14:46] <ActionParsnip1> hahaha
[14:46] <tobor> Sorry - couldnt resist.
[14:46] <tobor> I seem to be in pun mode this morning, perhaps I better avoid all human contact 'till the coffee hits
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: try the command man woman
[14:47] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: do you know if there is a list of the metapackages anywahere?
[14:47] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: I'm married, i know you can't command woman....
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: not sure, surely you only want to install what you are going to use
[14:47] <tobor> :-)
[14:47] <ActionParsnip1> open office is a metapackage
[14:48] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: Yes, but I use a lot of stuff.
[14:48] <ActionParsnip1> !info openoffice.or
[14:48] <ActionParsnip1> !info openoffice.org
[14:48] <tobor> Like iwant a couple different toolchains, yes OOo, par, expect, and on and on.
[14:48] <ActionParsnip1> 44Kb !!! :D
[14:49] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages
[14:50] <tobor> I notice there is a firefox meta package, How can I check if that uses FF2 or FF3 ?
[14:50] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: many thanks!
[14:50] <ActionParsnip1> tobor: no idea man, sorry
[14:51] <icelab> hi do any use konqueror to see a flash file the kind post on you tube?
[14:51] <eclix> what is default pass for root?
[14:51] <icelab> sorry but he drive mme crazy
[14:52] <genii> !root | eclix
[14:52] <tobor> ActionParsnip1: s'allright, grateful fo your help. :-)
[14:52] <ActionParsnip1> np man
[14:52] <ActionParsnip1> help where you can
[14:53] <ActionParsnip1> filipesr:  : you can improve security by setting it. but any account that is a member of Admin can sudo commands to act as root, this improves security
[14:54] <ActionParsnip1> filipesr: idiot who log in to do daily tasks deserve all the problems they get
[14:55] <filipesr> hunf, the auto login in activate and the store dont send the root pass (sorry, im brasiliam boy with bad english)
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> filipesr: so your autologin doesnt work?
[14:56] <amerigo> Hello everybody....
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> filipesr: http://linux.about.com/od/kubuntu_doc/a/kubudg35t03.htm
[14:56] <ActionParsnip1> hi amerigo
[14:58] <amerigo> I got a problem ... I'd like to share i ntenet folder in al Mixed LAn (kubuntu; windows pro; windows home) from the linux
[14:58] <amerigo> but I don't know how...
[14:58] <ActionParsnip1> !samba | amerigo
[14:58] <ActionParsnip1> amerigo: if you right click a folder in konqueror yu can share it that way
[14:58] <filipesr> tks ActionParship1
[14:59] <amerigo> ahi samba...
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> amerigo: samba itself is simple to configure but people like a clicky gui
[14:59] <amerigo> i have just modified smb.conf
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> amerigo: then thats all yuo need to know
[14:59] <amerigo> i have set workgroup = mine
[14:59] <ActionParsnip1> amerigo: share folders all you wish
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> amerigo: id websearch for samba tutorials
[15:00] <ActionParsnip1> i gotta split
[15:01] <amerigo> Action....
[15:01] <amerigo> too action .... you bounched me out
[15:02] <filipesr> exit
[15:09] <noaXess> hey all
[15:10] <noaXess> anybody have a tip to get my mp3 player work, can't connect it.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/47201/
[15:11] <arkygeek> hi all
[15:11] <arkygeek> I have a GeForce 7300 and gogle earth is really really slow even after diabling atmosphere.  glxgears is, in fact, only giving me abgout 50 FPS as well.....
[15:11] <arkygeek> any suggestions?
[15:11] <arkygeek> oh, and desktop effects work fine (kde4)
[15:12] <ocs> i messed up the kde4 bottom panel, and i dunno how to restore it to default ( = installation) values. I tried to  remove .kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc but without results. what should i do ?
[15:12] <KRF> arkygeek, installed restricted drivers?
[15:12] <arkygeek> nvidia-glx-new-envy
[15:13] <arkygeek> KRF: although, i must say, I did have the nvidia drivers installed before.  maybe they apt-get install didn't replace them?  how can I tell?
[15:13] <KRF> arkygeek, try lsmod | grep nvidia
[15:13] <KRF> if it returns sth, restricted drivers are loaded
[15:18] <arkygeek> http://rafb.net/p/tNBZSe67.html
[15:18] <arkygeek> KRF: ^^
[15:18] <arkygeek> KRF: looks like it is still the nvidia drivers
[15:18] <KRF> arkygeek, no. these are the restricted
[15:19] <arkygeek> oh
[15:19] <arkygeek> ok
[15:19] <arkygeek> KRF: so what now then? :s
[15:20] <KRF> arkygeek, `glxinfo | grep -i rendering` to check if opengl is enabled
[15:20] <KRF> you may have to install meta-utils
[15:20] <KRF> 41268 frames in 5.0 seconds = 8253.473 FPS for me :)
[15:21] <arkygeek> direct rendering: Yes
[15:21] <KRF> mh, weird that glxgears is so fucked up then :/
[15:21] <arkygeek> KRF: meta-utils?
[15:22] <KRF> oh, when compiz is enabled there are some problems with glxgears afaik
[15:22] <arkygeek> KRF: might that affect google earth then?
[15:22] <KRF> arkygeek, and google earth is slow for me, too. when enabling atmosphere and stuff (nv 8600M GT)
[15:22] <KRF> arkygeek, possible
[15:22] <KRF> try without effects
[15:25] <g33k_gir2> i need help getting java to work in Firefox. I've looked at !java, followed all the instructions, installed IcedTea and openJDK, and the icedtea plugin, and still, I am not able to get java working in FF.
[15:29] <arkygeek> KRF: hmmmm it seems that not only is desktop effects running, but also compizconfig settings manager
[15:29] <CANTV> bye
[15:29] <arkygeek> i disabled desktop effects and still have wobbly windows :s
[15:29] <KRF> hehe
[15:29] <arkygeek> KRF: how do i fix this?
[15:29] <arkygeek> urffff
[15:32] <g33k_gir2> join #ubuntu
[15:33] <noaXess> are the pre-released updates some updates that are not really tested?
[15:36] <avihayb> ActionParsnip1: it seems like the KDE battery monitor is better aware of what is going on with the battery
[15:38] <arkygeek> KRF: i installed compiz-switch, shut it off and ::: 23604 frames in 5.0 seconds = 4720.616 FPS
[15:39] <avihayb> by KDE i mean KDE4
[15:39] <arkygeek> KRF: but GE is still painfully slow
[15:40] <killa_> any sollutions for choppy flash in firefox 3 - ubuntu 8.04 - cpu is plenty capable
[15:40] <KRF> arkygeek, try to tweek settings, you cant put them too high
[15:40] <killa_> solutions*
[15:40] <KRF> maybe you enabled anti aliasing or sth
[15:40] <jussi01> avihayb: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[15:40] <KRF> 4,7k fps are quite good ;)
[15:41] <avihayb> thanks, but I wasn't looking for any
[15:41] <arkygeek> anti aliasing and sth - where do i check to see if they are enabled?
[15:41] <arkygeek> KRF: in GE?
[15:42] <KRF> arkygeek, yeah
[15:42] <avihayb> the problem is that kde dosn't tell me the right info about the battery
[15:42] <KRF> ge works quite well for me, maybe remove ~/.googleearth dir :)
[15:42] <KRF> to start from scratch
[15:42] <arkygeek> ok
[15:46] <arkygeek> KRF: nope.  that did nothing for speed.  although i did have to re enter my activation info :P
[15:47] <arkygeek> hmmmm this is strange too... the menus are corrupted for a second or so when i press them
[15:52] <Denise> yep
[15:52] <Denise> mines too
[15:52] <Denise> my console is sick
[15:58] <rogerio> ola
[16:10] <noaXess> what that mean hostbyte=DID_NO_CONNECT if i connect my mp3 player.. see more here http://paste.ubuntu.com/47201/
[16:11] <noaXess> i found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/231664 but there is only kernel 2.6.27 for intrepid
[16:15] <chakie> was there some nice way to install the nvidia drivers after a system installation?
[16:16] <chakie> i just added an nvidia card and currently use the vesa drivers
[16:16] <PolitikerNEU> envyng
[16:16] <chakie> "K -> System -> Hardware drivers" is empty
[16:16] <chakie> hardy, btw
[16:16] <chakie> no, intrepid beta. sorry
[16:19] <PolitikerNEU> I'm using intrepid too, but I installed the nvidia driver using envyng -t (sudo aptitude install envyng-core) (envyng-gtk doesn't work), I couldn't instally nvidia drivers using the Driver Managment tool either (For me, however, the drivers were shown but after the installation the x-server crashed)
[16:19] <user6> ! samba
[16:21] <haru> asd
[16:25] <Denise> blabla
[16:33] <Salitos_Heinz_> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/4378754/
[16:37] <venik> The little WORK sign, indicating updates to installed software-- where does it show up in KDE4.1.1?
[16:51] <rogerio_> portugues channel pls
[16:53] <SeanTater> I'm installing Kubuntu and it says -> Device for boot loader installation [ (hd0) ] <- I only have one hard disk, "sda", (no hda) so it will install on the correct one, right?
[16:53] <SeanTater> !portuguese
[16:53] <SeanTater> rogerio_: ^^^
[16:53] <Pici> SeanTater: Yes, Grub refers to the disks as hd# even though fstab refers to them as sdX#
[16:54] <SeanTater> Pici: Thanks! I thought that was how it worked, but I just wanted to check.
[16:54] <rogerio_> sean what's the problem
[16:55] <lesergi> how can I read mdb files from Ubuntu. Openoffice.org does not work and Kexi crash when I tried open it. Thanks!
[16:55] <SeanTater> rogerio_: I think I missed part of the converstion (I came in just a second ago), and I thought you asked for that factoid (sorry)
[16:55] <SeanTater> lesergi: there are a bunch of tools for that in the package "mdb-tools"
[16:56] <chakie> PolitikerNEU: ah, envyng was the driver :)
[16:56] <SeanTater> lesergi: I think kexi-kde4 can use them fairly well, but exporting using mdb-export may be easier, I don't know
[16:56] <chakie> PolitikerNEU: i thought you had a cat on your keyboard...
[16:58] <lesergi> SeanTater: mdb-export? from mdb-tools?
[16:59] <PolitikerNEU> oh, sorry - now, envyng is a tool to install a driver
[16:59] <SeanTater> lesergi: exactly
[16:59] <SeanTater> lesergi: I'm no expert (I use mdb files mostly through ActiveX Data Objects on Windows, not on Linux)
[17:00] <lesergi> SeanTater: I've seen mdb-export can export into csv file, after I can convert it in odb
[17:02] <SeanTater> lesergi: that's what I was thinking. I'm not sure how to get back to mdb though..
[17:03] <chakie> PolitikerNEU: installation went ok at least, lets see what it did to my xorg.conf
[17:04] <lesergi> SeanTater: Thanks a lot! I've done with:"mdb-export DB.mdb $(mdb-tables DB.mdb) > DB.csv"
[17:04] <chakie> looks ok, lets reboot
[17:05] <SeanTater> lesergi: You're welcome. I'm glad I could help.
[17:11] <corinth> I had a problem with my Kubuntu Hardy CD, so I installed Ubuntu using its CD, then installed Kubuntu through sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop. I then followed the instructions at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde to remove Ubuntu (Gnome). Now, firefox and other gtk apps are ugly. What packages do I need to install at a minimum to fix this?
[17:17] <jussi01> corinth: this excerpt from a recent mailing list discussion may help: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47498/
[17:19] <genii> corinth: gtk-qt-engine ( gtk-qt-engine-kde4 for kde4 )may help, tries to enforce qt styles and themes on gtk apps
[17:20] <jussi01> genii: Id suggest reading that pastebin...
[17:21] <genii> jussi01: Looking now
[17:22]  * genii pins his gtk-qt-engine
[17:23] <vassili> ну здарова чуваки
[17:24] <chakie> PolitikerNEU: envy worked nicely, thank you!
[17:25] <oilinki3> hi. do you know what is wrong when suddently I can not move the windows on kubuntu?
[17:25] <DigitalTanha> im trying to copy a drive from a local computer to a remote computer with ssh. I want to send the drive as a single file compressed how can I do this?
[17:25] <oilinki3> I mean I lost the 'outern window' of the windows
[17:26] <jussi01> oilinki3: are you using compiz?
[17:26] <oilinki3> jussi01: not as far as I know
[17:27] <oilinki3> jussi01: it seems to be installed.
[17:27] <jussi01> oilinki3: try pressing alt+f2 and: kwin --replace
[17:27] <DigitalTanha> I found    tar czv ListOfFiles | ssh remote.box.com tar xz -C /home/user/PathToCopy    but that doesnt keep it compressed, how can I alter this to keep 1 compressed file
[17:27] <jussi01> DigitalTanha: are you in a graphical environment?
[17:28] <oilinki3> jussi01: alt+f2 doesn't do anything
[17:28] <jussi01> DigitalTanha: if so, open konqueror, and use sftp://address-of-sshmachine
[17:29] <jussi01> oilinki3: err, ok, try going to the menu -> run command
[17:29] <oilinki3> jussi01: ah. I can open an shell :)
[17:30] <oilinki3> jussi01: kwin --replace did the trick. Thank you!
[17:30] <jussi01> oilinki3: hrm... what happens when you close the shell ( maybe it will crash?)
[17:31] <oilinki3> jussi01: the kwin --replace stays as foreground process. and when I stop it. the 'surroundings' will get lost again
[17:31] <ghostcube> oilinki3: alt + mosue 1 and u always can drag windows
[17:32] <ghostcube> kwin --replace & disown in terminal
[17:32] <jussi01> oilinki3: so use the run command in the k menu...
[17:33] <oilinki3> jussi01: do you know how to make an permanent fix or what is causing this one?
[17:34] <oilinki3> I try removing the desktop-effects
[17:35] <jussi01> oilinki3: it should be fine once you run it through the run command dialogue
[17:37] <oilinki3> jussi01: well. that will do the trick for now. thanks.
[17:42] <oilinki3> ghostcube: thanks for the info as well.
[17:43] <ghostcube> oilinki3: what grafic adapter
[17:43] <ghostcube> nvidia ?
[17:43] <ghostcube> pls join #compiz-fusion
[17:44] <oilinki3> ghostcube: on the board.  VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02
[17:44] <ghostcube> oilinki3: this shoudlk work fine with decos ure missig anything thats all
[17:44] <pteague_work> anybody know if there's a way to get gkrellm to act like a normal panel?
[17:44] <ghostcube> just step to #compiz-fusion
[17:52] <jarlaxle> hi all
[18:04] <faemir> Anyone know why on the new user I created tab completion is broken?
[18:07] <CANTV> gringos maricos
[18:08] <CANTV> you tube
[18:10] <saylor> sa tu jacys polacy ?
[18:12] <andriijas> i have a laptop and sound works great in the laptop speakers, but when i plug in headphones the sound remain in the laptop speakers. any idea?
[18:30] <NEo-Shadow02> hi
[18:30] <NEo-Shadow02> einmal eine frage in die runde werfe
[18:30] <genii> !de
[18:31] <NEo-Shadow02> hat jemand von euch schon mal ut2004 von unreal anthology installiert?
[18:54] <NeatFires> hi
[18:54] <NeatFires> using kubuntu 8.04. I wonder if there's a way to make a custom key combination to do the same as the special "volume up/down" buttons. ie, display the OSD with the new volume and increase or decrease it
[18:54] <NeatFires> my keyboard just doesn't have these special buttons
[19:01] <genii> NeatFires: "Input Actions - DCOP" section of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[19:04] <NeatFires> genii: thanks
[19:10] <chakie> was it so that kde 4.1.1 (intrepid beta) did not have any keyboard shortcuts at all?
[19:10] <chakie> i particularly miss those for changing virtual desktops
[19:11] <jarlaxle> interesting concept with widgets i think :)
[19:11] <jarlaxle> and yes i can't find shortcuts to :)
[19:13] <patientfox> does anyone here know how to add amarok 2 packages to kubuntu?
[19:13] <patientfox> is there a source available with the beta packages?
[19:15] <ign0ramus> patientfox: http://amarok.kde.org/de/node/485
[19:16] <patientfox> ign0ramus: i'm using the intrepid alpha 5 install.. should i keep it hardy?
[19:16] <patientfox> or change to intrepid?
[19:16] <ign0ramus> patientfox: not sure if they have an intrepid repo....
[19:17] <NeatFires> genii: two problems: it doesn't work with ctrl-f9 or ctrl-f10 and it doesn't display OSD
[19:22] <jagguli> hi all im using kmail for accessing gmail with pop... i keep getting the certificate confirmation box all the time .. is there any solution to this
[19:23] <genii> NeatFires: Hmm. No other offhand ideas right now except posssibly to use the first part of that article to find keycodes of particular combinations and add them to the xmodmap. For the OSD I'm not sure however.
[19:33] <Denise> sounds goood here
[19:36] <Denise> jesusok
[19:36] <Denise> bye
[19:40] <NeatFires> genii: all right, ctrl-f10 works (it was used by some other shortcut). now what to do with the OSD...
[19:47] <chakie> was this "phonon" thing configurable at all?
[19:47] <chakie> it does zip and nada for me right now
[19:52] <sum_> hi.. someone can tell me if the new versione of vlc will be on the ubuntu's repository?
[19:53] <CANTV> Ubuntu-ar-Cafe - charla OT (Off Topic) - Respetá al CoC -  RESPETÁ A LOS DEMÁS, Respetá a los demás usuarios - NO hagas flood: pega tu texto aquí -> http://rafb.net/paste/ - sé feliz :)
[19:55] <spyk> salut
[19:56] <chakie> darn crap intel chips on this motherboard. no audio is working
[19:56] <chakie> does anything intel makes for linux actually work?
[19:57] <jarlaxle> yep :)
[19:57] <spyk> hello
[19:57] <jarlaxle> microprocessors :D
[19:57] <thefish> hi spyk
[19:57] <spyk> I look about instal my wifi card, should we help me ?
[19:57] <spyk> i'm noob ;)
[19:58] <KRF> !fr | spyk
[19:58] <spyk> lol
[19:58] <spyk> thx ;)
[20:04] <peepsalot> what is the name of the default archive extracting gui for kubuntu?
[20:04] <Tm_T> ark?
[20:04] <Tm_T> !ark
[20:05] <Tm_T> hmh
[20:05] <peepsalot> ok, thanks, i will try that
[20:06] <chakie> my intrepid has totally lost its voice, it refuses to utter even a sound :)
[20:07] <Pici> !ibex
[20:07] <peepsalot> hmm, ark is loading very slowly.  looks like it is trying to display the full expanded file tree, is there a way to disable this?
[20:07] <Pici> chakie: aka: #ubuntu+1 :)
[20:07] <peepsalot> it appears to be hung
[20:07] <chakie> Pici: aha, thanks
[20:09] <chakie> i should not have installed it, but hardy knew nothing about my intel gfx chip
[20:10] <peepsalot> got a message from ark when attempting to extract: "Could not start a subprocess"
[20:11] <genii> peepsalot: Probably because you don't have the backend program for whatever format you are trying to extract
[20:11] <genii> rar zip or some other proprietary thing likely
[20:12] <peepsalot> genii, it's a zip file, i have zip and unzip packages installed
[20:12] <peepsalot> it views the files in the archive, but when I go to extract i get that message
[20:12] <KRF> peepsalot, ark is very broken imo. thats rather normal :P
[20:13]  * peepsalot sighs.  "just as broken as file-roller"
[20:13] <peepsalot> back to the command line for me I guess
[20:13] <KRF> yep
[20:14] <peepsalot> i just hate having to memorize all these damn switches, or reading a man file every time i want to extract something
[20:14] <KRF> peepsalot, use zsh
[20:14] <KRF> you type unrar <tab> and shows you all the stuff ;)
[20:14] <KRF> and it*
[20:18] <peepsalot> the thing i don't get about these gui apps, if they are just front ends for the command line apps, how can they fail so often at extracting what a simple call to the command line succeeds at.
[20:18] <peepsalot> "unzip filename.zip"  works fine, where file-roller and ark failed
[20:21] <peepsalot> wish there was a gui for 7zip like the one in windows.  best archiver i've ever used.
[20:22] <npresta> peepsalot: ark can open 7zip files, IIRC, and has a GUI
[20:23] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: you are correct
[20:23] <npresta> ign0ramus: =)
[20:24] <peepsalot> except ark doesn't work: see above.  i don't specifically need it for 7z files, the 7z gui for windows supports all archive formats, and has never failed me
[20:24] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: do you have an example of a .zip you can't open with ark?
[20:25] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: i've never had a problem, unless an archive was encrypted... then sometimes Ark would have trouble
[20:25] <peepsalot> it's company info, i can't share.  also it's 70MB
[20:25] <npresta> peepsalot: I just got here. What doesn't work with ark?
[20:25] <peepsalot> the zip has a ton of tiny files in it, i wonder if there is some limit like 32k or something where ark barfs
[20:26] <npresta> peepsalot: try unzipping it from the terminal and see the output
[20:26] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: not to my knowledge...
[20:26] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: is there a smaller .zip you've had problems with?
[20:26] <peepsalot> npresta, ah, sorry.   "got a message from ark when attempting to extract: "Could not start a subprocess""
[20:27] <npresta> peepsalot: you opened up ark and tried the extra tool, right? try right clicking and do "extract here"
[20:27] <peepsalot> ign0ramus, i've had various issues in the past where i had to resort to command line.  I actually use gnome normally, which comes with file-roller for gui archive app.  I figured i'd try ark, but both of them appear to have problems
[20:27] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: you'll get that error with ark unless you have 'kubuntu-desktop' package installed
[20:28] <peepsalot> i dont' recall the archives in the past that have been problematic
[20:28] <genii> peepsalot: Try just right-click on archive name without opening it then "Extract here"
[20:28] <peepsalot> ign0ramus, ah, ok
[20:28] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/43701
[20:28] <npresta> hey genii
[20:29] <genii> npresta: Hiya :)  <hands you a coffee>
[20:29] <npresta> thanks. I'm in the lab today. I need it.
[20:29] <peepsalot> genii, hmm, yes that appears to work ok
[20:30] <genii> peepsalot: When you have the file already open by looking at the contents, it won't be able to do operations on it at the same time
[20:30] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: also, you can run the windows version of 7zip or Winrar in Wine.  I sometimes use Winrar just for encryption purposes- it seems to work 100% every time
[20:31] <peepsalot> genii, um, so are you saying it's impossible to have a functioning gui archive app under linux?
[20:33] <peepsalot> i mean, that's what the apps are supposed to do right: displays the contents and extract them at the same time.
[20:33] <npresta> peepsalot: You could always write your own if you're unhappy with what is available. The freedom of choice and such... ;)
[20:35] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: you should be able to view the files in Ark, and then click the "extract" icon (arrow pointing up), and specify where you want to extract
[20:36] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: try it with this small file http://kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=89428&id=1&tan=12553521
[20:39] <peepsalot> ign0ramus, it works with that file, and I still haven't installed kubuntu-desktop
[20:40] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: you may not have to install... it seems like it was a drag n drop error with ark, but you may want that functionality as well
[20:40] <ign0ramus> peepsalot: it does return the same error you got, though
[20:43] <npresta> well, I'm off to class. Later all.
[20:43] <ign0ramus> take it easy :)
[20:43] <npresta> :)
[20:45] <venik> The little WORK sign, indicating updates to installed software-- where does it show up in KDE4.1.1?
[20:51] <Carla> Hey, what applications are available on kubuntu for programming purposes (Java, C/C++, etc)
[20:51] <Tm_T> !IDE
[20:51] <Tm_T> bah
[20:51] <Daisuke_Ido> !ide
[20:51] <Daisuke_Ido> meh :(
[20:52] <Daisuke_Ido> it used to
[20:52] <Daisuke_Ido> anjuta, eclipse, kdevelop
[20:52] <Tm_T> !code
[20:52] <Tm_T> Kate <3
[20:54] <Carla> thanks Tm
[21:02] <tobor> Hi all, whats the best media player and the best codec package for Kubuntu * ?
[21:02] <tobor> eg "  most formats supported "
[21:06] <ign0ramus> tobor:  !codecs and download vlc
[21:07] <ign0ramus> !codecs
[21:09] <sevenseeker> can I 'fake' install a package?  IOW, I installed from source a later version but now want to ensure the package dependencies are met
[21:10] <mar77i> sevenseeker, when you install from source, then configure takes care of that
[21:11] <sevenseeker> oh, so dpkg checks pkg-config files?
[21:12] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: yes- it wouldn't compile unless it had met all dependencies
[21:12] <sevenseeker> oh I see, I didn't make myself clear :)
[21:12] <sevenseeker> I want this software to show up as being installed per the respective packages for other packages that depend on it
[21:13] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: doesn't it?  are you installing via apt or compiling from sources?
[21:13] <mar77i> sevenseeker, http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-source-files-in-ubuntu.html ./configure will take care of that
[21:13] <sevenseeker> this isn't from a source package
[21:14] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: so you are saying that because you compiled a package, now a new package is showing that it is not installed (ie, an unmet dependency)?
[21:15] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: if it were a source package, you can just point the compiler to where the depency resides, but i believe that even with apt, it should still recognize the dependency, even if it were compiled from sources
[21:15] <sevenseeker> no, rather say the package is for version 1.1 and I want version 1.5 so I install from source.  However, I want packages that depend on >=1.1 to show that the original 1.1 package was installed.
[21:16] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: if i'm not mistaken, it should see and recognize your 1.5 install
[21:16] <sevenseeker> hmmm, that is interesting, I didn't realize apt was so robust (good to know)
[21:16] <sevenseeker> awesome in fact
[21:16] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: does it not?  have you tried, or just asking a theoretical question?
[21:16] <sevenseeker> I am going to try later, just wanted to make sure the system behaved after that
[21:17] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: do you use checkinstall after compiling (instead on 'make install')?
[21:17] <sevenseeker> one instance isn't even compiling at all, it is installing a python lib (python-setuptools)
[21:17] <sevenseeker> ahhh, ok, I will run checkinstall
[21:17] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: it will create a debian package for you and can be uninstalled like an program installed via apt
[21:17] <ign0ramus> 'sudo checkinstall -D'
[21:17] <sevenseeker> I have been running make install
[21:18] <ign0ramus> you have to install package 'checkinstall'
[21:18] <ign0ramus> !checkinstall
[21:19] <sevenseeker> does checkinstall honor the version of the install?
[21:19] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: afaik, yes... it retains all meta-data acquired during the ./configure process
[21:19] <sevenseeker> very handy
[21:20] <sevenseeker> I love open source :)
[21:20] <ign0ramus> indeed! :)
[21:21] <sevenseeker> in the case of a Python package manually installed (easy_install or through python setup.py install) how would I go about this?
[21:22] <ign0ramus> sudo checkinstall python setup.py
[21:22] <ign0ramus> ... i *think*
[21:23] <ign0ramus> sevenseeker: not sure if i've done that one before; good question! xD
[21:25] <bleaked> so in ibex, will i be forced to use kde4 or will 3 still be available?  (though some of it is nice.. i really think a lot of it is rather ugly and still lacks a lot of functionality that 3 has achieved)
[21:27] <sevenseeker> ok, I am researching this more indepth now, I appreciate the input
[21:27] <ign0ramus> np
[21:28] <hansen_> Hello!!!
[21:29] <hansen_> new user en gnewsense
[21:29] <hansen_> help!!
[21:29] <ign0ramus> !ask | hansen_
[21:30] <hansen_> Ok sorry :(:(
[21:30] <hansen_> No speak Spanish :D
[21:31] <ign0ramus> hansen_: dude, what do you need help with? just ask, and someone will answer or direct you to the proper channel.
[21:33] <hansen_> Ok Not run Blender in gnewsense for what?? what's problem
[21:33] <hansen_> 	
[21:33] <hansen_> I do not speak English
[21:34] <ign0ramus> hansen_: you speak spanish?
[21:34] <ign0ramus> !es
[21:35] <hansen_> Gracias por la ayuda UBOTTU ;D;D
[21:40] <hardstyler> hello
[21:40] <hardstyler>  all user
[21:46] <LinuxApe> I'm having a problem with KDE4: number of desktops is a problem, seems that there are conflicting configurations and I can't figure it out. I want at least 6 desktops and I seem to be stuck with 2.
[21:46] <LinuxApe> Also my window decorations keep disappearing.
[21:51] <hardstyler> with KDE 4 have i not problems...
[21:55] <jussi01> LinuxApe: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4 :)
[21:56] <LinuxApe> jussi01:  thanks
[21:56] <krik> прет всем
[21:56] <jussi01> !ru
[21:56] <shane_> where can i find info on moto4lin
[21:56] <wesley_> !adeptfix
[22:08] <uch666_> moin
[22:09] <uch666_> moin
[22:10] <Hamra> hi, in kde4, what is the process responsible for bringing the alt-f2 run box?
[22:15] <ilembitov> Is it possible to get a fully updated Kubuntu iso if I am not using Ubuntu currently? Are there some respins?
[22:17] <LinuxApe> Any idea why I would be stuck with 2 desktops under kde4.1.1, no matter what I set it to?  Even if it shows 4 desktops in the pager, I can only use 2.
[22:19] <Hamra> i just tried putting 6 desktops, and it is working fine
[22:20] <nielsslot> ilembitov: what do you mean?
[22:20] <LinuxApe> Hamra:  What desktop manager?  Are you using Compiz?
[22:20] <LinuxApe> Hamra:  where did you make the change?
[22:20] <Hamra> are you sure in system settings/desktop , you have set it to the correct number of desktops?
[22:20] <Hamra> i use kwin, with desktop effect
[22:28] <tobor> ign0ramus: Thanks!
[22:28] <dhq> could some one help me out with my xorg as have nvidia 8600gt and now the mouse is so slow and i use hardy
[22:29] <drali> denis
[22:37] <ign0ramus> dhq: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.08.html
[22:38] <dhq> ign0ramus: is it beta
[22:38] <ign0ramus> dhq: doesn't appear to be any more
[22:38] <ign0ramus> dhq: release date of April 2008
[22:39] <dhq> ign0ramus: and we still use xorg.conf for hardy right
[22:39] <ign0ramus> dhq: yes.
[22:39] <ign0ramus> dhq: do you have 'nvidia' specified in your xorg?
[22:39] <dhq> ign0ramus: ok i will give it a try; yes i do have it specified
[22:40] <dhq> ign0ramus: i have been using this one only
[22:41] <dhq> the problem is my grafix works well but my touchpad is very slow and scroll and all doesnt work
[22:41] <dhq> ign0ramus: ^^
[22:41] <ign0ramus> dhq: definitely a xorg issue... hopefully the new driver resolves it
[22:41] <dhq> ign0ramus: well but i need to use it now what do i do
[22:41] <ign0ramus> dhq: you didn't edit any lines in xorg relating to your touchpad?
[22:42] <dhq> ign0ramus: i tried and anytime i add something to xorg and restart xserver i get a message screens found but no usable config
[22:43] <dr_willis> I belive theres been some ' work/changes/rewrites' of some of the X touchpad code/system going on in the last few X releases.
[22:43] <dr_willis> the joys of editing the xorg.conf by hand. :)
[22:43] <dr_willis> make edit,, test with startx..  fail.. go back.. :)
[22:43] <ign0ramus> dhq: if your graphics are fine, you can try installing package 'qsynaptics' to configure touchpad
[22:44] <lethal_> ухъ, мля, куды я попал? )
[22:44] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: yeah, manually editing xorg sucks.  especially when you forget to BACK UP xD
[22:44] <ign0ramus> !ru
[22:44] <dhq> ign0ramus: i have done that aswell it gives me an error
[22:44] <ign0ramus> dhq: please pastebin your xorg.conf
[22:44] <ign0ramus> !paste
[22:44] <dr_willis> II was thinking that qsynaptics was becomng obsolete also..  part of the xorg/touchpad changes.
[22:44] <dhq> ign0ramus: one sec
[22:45] <dr_willis> To be honest with ya. I dont have any issues with my laptops touchpad.
[22:45] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: ksynaptics is no longer used in hardy, but qsynaptics is
[22:45] <dr_willis> Ibn  not sure if the 'wheel/scroll' stuff works
[22:45] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  last i was at the k/qsynpatics homepage - he was working on  the next-gen version :)
[22:45] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: i had some issues, but i find a great tutorial specifying almost all available parameters for touchpad in xorg
[22:46] <dr_willis> !find touchfreeze
[22:46] <dr_willis> Hmmm...
[22:46] <dr_willis> TouchFreeze for Linux pre 0.2 and annoucing end of {q/k}synaptics
[22:46] <ign0ramus> i keep this thread in bookmarks... very helpful for touchpad issues: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=351058
[22:46] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: touchfreeze, eh?
[22:47] <dr_willis> http://qsynaptics.sourceforge.net/
[22:47] <dhq> dr_willis: ign0ramus http://paste.ubuntu.com/47585/
[22:47] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: nice to know!
[22:48] <ign0ramus> dhq: you have no entry for your touchpad at all
[22:49] <dhq> ign0ramus: thats what i told you anytime i edit the xorg and try to boot it gives screens found but errors
[22:49] <ign0ramus> ign0ramus: i would see if you can reconfigure and get xorg to recognize it... you can't adjust any touchpad settings if its not listed in xorg
[22:49] <dhq> dr_willis: its gsynaptics now
[22:49] <ign0ramus> dhq: have you reconfigured?
[22:50] <dhq> ign0ramus: i did it so many times today and now its back to default
[22:50] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: whats the 'safe' command to reconfigure xorg?  I think it has 'phigh' in it ...
[22:51] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  i was thinkign that command dident always work any more with the self-configuring X org stuff . or at least it dident work as well as it useed to.
[22:51] <dr_willis> I belive that command is given in the comments of the top of the xorg.conf file also
[22:51] <dr_willis> I have nvidia cards. so i use the nvidia config tools
[22:51] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: you're probably right ... that's why i ask you :)
[22:51] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: but what about when xorg is not detecting his touchpad?
[22:52] <ign0ramus> dhq: what kind of lappy do you have?
[22:52] <dhq> ign0ramus: dell xps m1530
[22:52] <dr_willis> I would boot the live cd. see if it sees the touchpad properly, and if so copy its xorg.conf somewhere for a referance.
[22:53] <dhq> dr_willis: ign0ramus why is there no serverlayout in the default xorg
[22:53] <dr_willis> theres very little left n the xorg.conf file these days...
[22:53] <dhq> nothing
[22:53] <dr_willis> Unless you keep/use your old ones like i often do.
[22:53] <dhq> my mistake
[22:54] <dr_willis> Ive even removed the xorg.conf and started X and it would work on some of my machines :)
[22:54] <dr_willis> which suprised me
[22:55] <ign0ramus> dhq: do you have package 'xserver-xorg-input-synaptics' installed?
[22:55] <dhq> i dont think so
[22:55] <dhq> http://paste.ubuntu.com/47587/
[22:55] <dhq> i modified xorg
[22:56] <dhq> ign0ramus: yes its already installed
[22:57] <ign0ramus> dhq: i'm not sure if adding lines from others' xorg.conf will help, but you've already got a screwy file... what the hey, restart x and see what happens!
[22:57] <ign0ramus> i'm gonna hit the shower... brb
[22:57] <dhq> i will be back after ctrl+alt+bkspc
[22:59] <dhq> ign0ramus: dr_willis still the same
[23:03]  * dr_willis is off to play spore.. and read all the bad reviews about spore.. :)
[23:03] <dr_willis> Guess i should of read the reviews befor i bought it.. but  - it keeps me enterained for a few hrs..
[23:04] <synapse_> hi all
[23:09] <xomp> can anyone suggest a program that will read compiled html? (.chm)
[23:09] <dhq> ign0ramus: you back
[23:11] <ign0ramus> dhq: now i am
[23:13] <dhq> ign0ramus: brb once restarting x
[23:16] <CANTV> yo no soy nadien
[23:23] <CANTV> Ubuntu-ar-Cafe - charla OT (Off Topic) - Respetá al CoC -  RESPETÁ A LOS DEMÁS, Respetá a los demás usuarios - NO hagas flood: pega tu texto aquí -> http://rafb.net/paste/ - sé feliz :)
[23:26] <quakeglen> hi there... can anyone help me...?
[23:26] <_2> quakeglen it's the second door on the left,  has a picture of a man on the door
[23:27] <mot> question
[23:27] <mot> i have the gtk-qt-engine installed
[23:27] <mot> however when i open kcontrol it's not in there
[23:27] <mot> so i went and compiled it from source and installed it again, still won't show up
[23:27] <mot> i upgraded some packages (not sure just ran the typical upgrade process) and all of a sudden my gtk-qt-engine went away and gtk apps went back to looking butt ugly
[23:27] <mot> any ideas?
[23:28] <Denise> oh
[23:28] <_2> mot possably   sudo update-menus      ?   not sure that will help tho
[23:29] <mot> that's a command?
[23:29] <mot> sudo: update-menus: command not found
[23:29] <_2> -s
[23:30] <quakeglen> can anyone tell me how to open a jpg file from network with the gimp?
[23:30] <mot> still nothing (not found)
[23:30] <_2> ;/
[23:31] <_2> ok so you don't have  /usr/bin/update-menus   hmmm   no clue thne.
[23:31] <ign0ramus> mot: in kcontrol, go to appearances and themes - GTK styles
[23:31] <mot> ign0ramus, did you read what i wrote? that isn't even in kcontrol
[23:31] <mot> i even compiled it from source (the deb packages were installed)
[23:31] <quakeglen> i just can't find the way to open any file with gimp trought samba
[23:31] <ign0ramus> mot: no, i just read the last few lines...
[23:31] <mot> it worked great until the last apt-get upgrade i read.
[23:32] <_2> mot you are not mixing kde verstions are you ?
[23:32] <mot> not to my knowledge
[23:32] <mot> i have 4.2 and 3.5.9 installed, using 3.5.9
[23:32] <mot> but i made sure to uninstalled gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[23:32] <mot> uninstall*
[23:32] <_2> well,   i dont know then.
[23:33] <mot> how can i check the last packages that were updated?
[23:33] <_2> tail -50 /var/log/dpkg*
[23:34] <htfg> .
[23:35] <_2> that assumes only a few packages.   if it was more of a dist-upgrade type thing, then just use less in place of tail -50
[23:38] <jals> is there a way to stop the dvd drive spinning down so quickly when i pause a film?
[23:38] <jals> i pause regularly throughout and if i leave it like a minute it spins down so i have to wait for it to spin up again before it plays
[23:39] <_2> jals there is always a way.
[23:41] <_2> jals one way might be to use a wrapper for the program you use which also starts a small loop that will do something simple like an ls /media/dvd every 20 seconds or so.
[23:41] <jals> that sounds excessively complicated
[23:41] <jals> isn't there some setting that decides when it does that
[23:41] <_2> jals yeah  on the drive
[23:41] <jals> ah
[23:41] <jals> it's a hardware issue
[23:42] <_2> yes    is it an ide interface ?
[23:42] <quakeglen> is anyway to mount a samba url?
[23:42] <_2> !samba | quakeglen
[23:43] <jals> yeah it's IDE
[23:43] <_2> jals if ide you might be able to use hdparm to adjust it.   but i am not advising that.
[23:44] <_2> you could also wreck the device.
[23:44] <quakeglen> mmm... mi problem is how to open and save files in a windows server with gimp
[23:45] <_2> quakeglen sorry, i don't do windows.   if no one else answers you can always ask in ##windows  or even in #ubuntu seeing that gimp is not a kde app
[23:46] <_2> or even ##linux or ##linuxhelp for that matter.  and there may be a #gimp channel here too
[23:46] <michael_> Hello I do not speak much English
[23:47] <_2> !es | michael_
[23:47] <michael_> I speak Italian
[23:48] <NickPresta> !it | michael_
[23:48] <michael_> ok
[23:48] <NickPresta> michael_, or if you want, you can try to tell us your problem in English
[23:48] <michael_> yes
[23:50] <Dekans> Il n'y a plus l'apercu des fenetres sur la barre des taches avec KDE 4.1 ??
[23:50] <quakeglen> aps.. _2 thanks anyway
[23:50] <Dekans> oups
[23:50] <michael_> GOOD BYE   thanks   thanks
[23:50] <Dekans> wrong language :/
[23:51] <Dekans> I just installed KDE 4.1, and I cannot activate windows thumbnails on taskbar
[23:51] <NickPresta> michael_, ?
[23:51] <NickPresta> !kde4 | Dekans
[23:51] <Dekans> is there an extra package to install or this feature is just removed ?
[23:51] <michael_>  <NickPresta> good bye thanks
[23:57] <_2> just goes to show, you can't judge a language by it's ip...