[00:09] <gershon> any1 with nvidia on 2.6.27? no luck compiling\installing the module...
[00:09] <MrKennie> is kubuntu (intrepid) going to see a printer system settings module?
[00:09] <[Neurotic]> I'm running nvidia
[00:09] <[Neurotic]> works fine
[00:10] <milosz> i couldn't get it to compile either
[00:10] <milosz> last time i had this problem i was able to fix it but this time i was too lazy to look into it
[00:10] <gershon> used a xen workaround?
[00:11] <gershon> coz ive resorted to making a new 2.6.27-rc6
[00:11] <bsnider> gershon, use the nvidia-glx-177 package int he repos
[00:11] <milosz> hey since someone's here now, how can i enable bootchart?
[00:11] <bsnider> don't bother with the nvidia package
[00:12] <milosz> i wanted to jump into the boottime fixing action but I never used it before
[00:12] <[Neurotic]> worked out how to get ibex working with vmware
[00:13] <gershon> hmm.. bootchart looks cool, but whats it good for laptops mostly?
[00:14] <milosz> damn i'm sure you guys are making it a "if you don't know how to enable it you're obviously the wrong guy" thing out of it :P
[00:15] <MrKennie> I didn't see anyone say anything
[00:15] <bsnider> ubuntu boots fast, especially compared to winblows'
[00:15] <gershon> id love to make better times, but even with all these kernels and modules im still trying to keep uptime...
[00:16] <milosz> MrKennie, yes exactly
[00:18] <gershon> heard a rumor it had something to do with the xorg.conf, maybe a new "Configured Video Driver", but wait... furtherest i got was a non-loadable module...
[00:20] <gershon> also saw someone in the forum noting that rolling back the nvidia driver doesnt work for this kernel
[00:20] <bsnider> gershon, have you got the nvidia driver installed?
[00:21] <gershon> only combo i got is 2.6.26-5 & 177.13
[00:22] <bsnider> what happens when you try to install the nvidia-glx-177 package with the 2.6.27 kernel?
[00:23] <gershon> no way of inserting a module, though successfuly compiled couple a times (dkms once, manually also...)
[00:23] <bsnider> is it installed now?
[00:24] <gershon> na.. os-nv-drv
[00:24] <gershon> sometimes no dualhead...
[00:24] <bsnider> well, make sure you've got the linux-headers package, and try reinstalling
[00:25] <gershon> im making modules on fresh rc6 maybe it could help...
[00:26] <gershon> if xen is kerneled why do we have a -virtual ?
[00:27] <MrKennie> milosz: I would like to help contribute but I feel all I can do is test things and reports bugs.
[00:27] <milosz> maybe they're right, if i can't enable it i'm the wrong guy so i'll look into how enablig it
[00:27] <milosz> +n
[00:52] <arooni> if i have a realtek 8185 chipset wireless card (not currently supported in ubuntu hardy) and i'm using ndiswrapper... will next version of ubuntu cover this card?  and is ndiswrapper ok enough to use in the meantime?  or should i return the card?
[00:57] <tom_> is this the right place to talk about kubuntu 8.10
[00:58] <bsnider> arooni, burn a livecd and boot from it. you'll find out
[00:59] <arooni> is ndiswrapper bad to have in the interim?
[01:03] <mneptok> arooni: what form factor card?
[01:03] <tom_> arooni not really, if it works it works but obviously if it doenst theres not much that can be done
[01:10] <arooni> mneptok, pci card
[01:21] <arooni> mneptok, think it'll work in next version
[01:21] <pwnguin> is there a way to discover the debian QA URL for a package from the name itself?
[01:25] <mneptok> arooni: i'd avoid anything Broadcom like the plague
[01:26] <arooni> its a realtek chipset
[01:26] <arooni> is that broadcom?
[01:26] <mneptok> no
[01:27] <mneptok> Realtek is somewhat better, but often not by much
[01:35] <carandraug> arooni: I've a friend with a Realtek card that got it working for INtrepid. It's not the same model but maybe it will come with support for that one as well
[01:36] <arooni> carandraug, intrepid i snext version of buntu?
[01:36] <carandraug> arooni: this is the page he had on Ubuntu documentation about it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/RealtekRTL8187b
[01:36] <carandraug> arooni: yes. Stable version is schedule for 30th October
[01:37] <carandraug> arooni: but if you have the chance, it's probably better to return the card and buy one with better support instead
[03:48] <juan-intrepid> if my kernels are missing from /boot how do i put them back there, ive done update-initramfs but i dont think thats enough
[03:49] <danbh_intrepid> how did you loose them, out of curiosity?
[03:50] <danbh_intrepid> juan-intrepid: I assume you could just run a reinstall command on the kernel-image.....2..6.whatever packages
[03:51] <juan-intrepid> danbh_intrepid: i lost them when i installed hardy 32bit to a second partition
[03:52] <juan-intrepid> danbh_intrepid: i tried aptitude reinstall linux-image-generic but it doesnt seam to have put any kernels in /boot
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> juan-intrepid: and you are sharing /boots?
[03:52] <danbh_intrepid> well yeah, thats an empty package, what do you call those?
[03:53]  * mneptok shuffles uncomfortably
[03:54] <juan-intrepid> juan-intrepid: yeah my entire system is on an lvm so i have to share /boot afaik
[03:54] <crimsun> metapackage.  And it's not really empty, because it has dependencies, but yes, you're vaguely on the path.
[03:54] <mneptok> pet peeve. "loose" is the antonym of "tight." "lose" is the antonym of "find."
[03:54] <mneptok> O:)
[03:54] <danbh_intrepid> crimsun: yeah, metapackage, thats the word!
[03:55] <danbh_intrepid> juan-intrepid: sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.27-3-generic
[03:56] <juan-intrepid> yeah ive done, now i have "abi-2.6.24-19-generic /config-.../ initrd.img-.../ System.map-.../vmlinuz-
[03:57] <juan-intrepid> with all those files there and a corrected grub i should be able to get to the old install right?
[03:57] <danbh_intrepid> no  idea.  I've never shared /boots across installs.  I don't even know what LVM really is
[03:58] <juan-intrepid> how do you have multiple installs then? seperate hdd?
[03:58] <danbh_intrepid> juan-intrepid: separate partitions
[03:58] <juan-intrepid> but where is the grub?
[03:58] <danbh_intrepid> mbr
[03:59] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I think grub gets a bit hosed with multiple installs
[03:59] <juan-intrepid> that has to point to a /boot (probably on the 1st install) which can then sort it all out by reading other partitions, hmm makes sense to do it your way tbh
[04:00] <juan-intrepid> brb, hopefully
[04:25] <yao_ziyuan1> when will alpha 6 be out?
[04:28] <danbh_intrepid> yao_ziyuan1: topic is your friend
[04:28] <literal> google intrepid release schedule
[05:06] <DanaG> Oh heyas, how do you get the automount thingy to wait a specified time before trying to mount a device?
[05:06] <DanaG> The thing is failing to mount a /home on a USB drive, because the drive temporarily disconnects for some reason when udev starts.
[05:10] <lufis> Anyone else having some strange HD noises in intrepid?
[05:58] <dbglt> hi. running intrepid with nvidia graphics. I did a dist-upgrade last night, and now X can't find an nvidia module
[05:58] <dbglt> is there a way in ubuntu to rebuild it?
[05:59] <dbglt> I tried to reinstall nvidia-glx-177. but it didn't build/find a module
[05:59] <burner> dbglt: does dkms pass?  "sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start"
[05:59] <burner> might have to reconfigure the nvidia kernel header package
[06:00] <dbglt> burner: is that new? Never heaerd of that before
[06:00] <DanaG> google for: nvidia dkms multiple versions
[06:00] <dbglt> am running it now
[06:00] <burner> dkms is a new thing in intrepid that wasnt' in hardy
[06:01] <dbglt> burner, DanaG: it has worked fine
[06:01] <dbglt> but this should be triggered when updating kernels, right?
[06:01] <dbglt> (it didn't for me)
[06:02] <dbglt> brb, restarting X
[06:52] <Raspberry> nice to see Dual Displays using the Intel GM965 / X3100 video card working
[06:52] <Raspberry> in alpha 5
[06:53] <Raspberry> is python-libvirt broken in 8.10
[06:53] <Raspberry> I'm getting errors
[06:53] <Raspberry> when I create new Virtual Machines using KVM / QEMU
[06:54] <Raspberry> VirtualBox doesn't work either... seems like the modules are compiled for the latest kernel yet
[06:56] <edwinmmoore> Not sure where the best place to mention this is, but I performed a clean 8.04 install, applied all updates and then upgraded to Intrepid. It went flawlessly on my Dell D820
[06:56] <edwinmmoore> Is there somewhere to report successes to the developers?
[06:57] <Raspberry> it's all locked down unless you're on the testing team
[06:57] <Raspberry> they have testing report pages
[06:57] <edwinmmoore> ok excellent, thanks
[06:59] <Raspberry> I tried to update the information on the Thinkpad X61T this morning ... it lets you go ahead and "edit" the page... so I spent 30 minutes doing that... only to tell me "you can't edit this page" after I click save and everything I'd written was gone
[07:04] <RAOF> Raspberry: Yes, I see the libvirt error, too.  Kindly file a bug; I've been meaning to!
[07:05] <RAOF> Alternatively, search for an existing bug ;)
[07:24] <Raspberry> k
[07:24] <Raspberry> what's up with launchpad.com :p
[07:25] <Raspberry> ah .net
[07:25] <Raspberry> doesn't look to be a bug filed with libvert relating to this issue
[07:29] <gnomefreak> im guessing libvret isnt a package on its own most likely it has        different source pakage
[07:29] <Raspberry> i'm guessing you're right
[07:30] <gnomefreak> but show doesnt work is it evern in our repos or did you get it from metibuntu or another repo?
[07:31] <kohv> Hi, I need help creating an USB boot stick. InstallationFromUSBStick instructions (manual) don't work for me, I end up with something that hangs when I select anything at the boot menu.
[07:31] <gnomefreak> search doesnt show it either
[07:32] <gnomefreak> ok gone for a couple hours befor a meeting
[09:08] <virtuelv> Hm. There's a bunch of glyphs that won't display properly for me
[09:08] <virtuelv> r is for instance replaced with a blue square
[09:14] <skiquel> hi
[09:31] <virtuelv> is there a bug open for fonts being screwy in 8.10?
[09:32] <virtuelv> I can't seem to get subpixel rendering to work, even though it is set, to full hinting, subpixel antialiasing
[09:35] <doggymenz> It is very important that Adobe Flash gets updated from -beta to -rc, and that VLC gets updated from 0.8.6 to 0.9.2 before the release of 8.10 Ibex
[09:36] <doggymenz> the -beta version of Flash is horrible slow in fullscreen mode, and has crappy performance, this is fixed in the -rc
[10:16] <MrKennie> why did I get an invite to ##politics? :P
[10:17] <DanaG> Argh, anyone know how to make the system wait a second or two before trying to fsck things?
[10:17] <DanaG> It tries to fsck a drive, then gives up because it can't find the (USB) drive, and then drops me to a root shel..........
[10:17] <DanaG> ..... and then the drive appears, so I just do mount -a and then ctrl-d, and it goes on.
[10:17] <DanaG> I want to delay the fsck so the thing can actually see all the volumes.
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> anyone know when the first none alpha release ie a candidate test release is due ?
[10:56] <Linux_Galore> for 8.10
[10:57] <TheInfinity> Linux_Galore: look at topic
[10:57] <Linux_Galore> thats the final not a candidate
[10:57] <TheInfinity> ... link ...
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> ie when do they lock the everything then only do bug fixes
[10:58] <Linux_Galore> s/the//
[10:58] <TheInfinity> Linux_Galore: just look at wiki article in topic. really :p
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> 25th Sept
[11:00] <Linux_Galore> seems to be the day
[11:01] <Linux_Galore> the 18th will be fine though
[11:02] <Linux_Galore> the reason Im asking is a have a nice shiny new system with all the latest bits so I want to go with the newest kernel
[11:05] <darthanubis> Bug #269805
[11:21] <zniavre> !hal
[11:21] <zniavre> !xorg
[11:21] <freaky[t]> is it save to upgrade to intrepid yet? i always upgraded 4 weeks before release
[11:29] <darthanubis> why do ppl still bother to ask that question is amazing to me
[11:34] <freaky[t]> darthanubis: that's because i want the new kubuntu ;D
[11:36] <stdin> fReAkY[t]: it's not safe until it's released, up to you if you want to take a risk
[11:56] <afief> How can I see what video driver xorg is currently using?
[11:56] <TheInfinity> afief: xorg log
[11:58] <afief> TheInfinity, thanks:) anything particular I should grep for?
[11:58] <TheInfinity> uah ... dont know, i dont use 3d drivers so it does not metter at all ;)
[11:58] <TheInfinity> i just know that its there
[11:59] <afief> TheInfinity, well I am actually hoping that it's using vesa because both my gnome and kde sessions just give me a white screen(of death?) right now, although the xfce session works flawlessly
[11:59] <TheInfinity> oh. yesterday we had someone in german ubuntu support with white screen ...
[11:59] <TheInfinity> ATI card?
[11:59] <afief> TheInfinity, yup
[12:00] <TheInfinity> hum ...
[12:00] <afief> TheInfinity, and xorg is loading both "ati" and "radeon" modules
[12:00] <TheInfinity> i dont know what the result was yesterday ...
[12:00] <TheInfinity> i just ask
[12:00] <afief> TheInfinity, that would be very helpful(I don't speak german, so I can't read the log)
[12:01] <MrKennie> isn't compiz enabled by default in Ibex?
[12:02] <afief> MrKennie, I wouldn't know, even when gnome was working compiz didn't and I never tried to turn it on
[12:02] <MrKennie> I'm not sure but I don't think xfce has any sort of compiz support, but liek I said, I'm not sure on that.
[12:03] <MrKennie> a possible reason why xfce works but not gnome or kde.
[12:03] <afief> MrKennie, I guess not. perhaps some update turned on compiz for my gnome session and it started messing up stuff(that would explain why kde4 never worked, kwin has this stuff built in)
[12:04] <afief> MrKennie, is there a way to disable this stuff from cli or xfce?
[12:04] <MrKennie> afief: you might be able to start say the kde system settings panel and sisable it from there
[12:04] <MrKennie> disable*
[12:05] <MrKennie> from xfce
[12:05] <TheInfinity> afief: they didnt got a result yesterday
[12:05] <afief> MrKennie, hmmm... did that with the gnome settings, "desktop effects" is disabled
[12:06] <afief> okay guys gotta go:)
[12:06] <MrKennie> b
[12:06] <afief> thanks for all of your help
[12:10] <MrKennie> anyone have any ideas what i can do to get the iwl3945 driver to print some useful debug info?
[12:11] <MrKennie> I tried the module option but it has no effect
[12:13] <MrKennie> oh wait, I've just seen what I've done wrong
[12:14] <MrKennie> modinfo says int but googleing says it should be a hex value.
[12:19] <MrKennie> that seems better.
[12:31] <tj83> can anyone confirm that only one core of two are being reported on kernel 2.6.27-3?
[12:57] <bill--221> hello humans....:-D
[12:57] <meborc> hi
[13:20] <matt__> i'd love some help trying to get my wifi card working, its a tp-link 353g belive based on rtl-8150?
[13:43] <HUNTER_byte> Ubuntu fails to set 1280x1024 for TTY(console), GNOME desktop works fine though. ﻿﻿The best resolution I can set is 1024x768 in Hardy. But even this resolution doesn't work in Intrepid alpha 5 (black screen).
[13:43] <HUNTER_byte> I'd like to know the name of fault package so I could fire a bug report at the launchpad and how to collect as much as possible information for this bug report.
[14:14] <nemo> which version of wine is in ibex?
[14:14] <Pici> !info wine
[14:14] <nemo> dang
[14:15] <nemo> was hoping it'd be different than hardy heron
[14:15] <nemo> well. looks like it is a little different
[14:15] <nemo> but not 1.1.4
[14:21] <Hew> nemo: 1.1.4 is a development version of Wine. You can always add the Wine repositories if you're after this version though (which is what I do).
[14:27] <kane77> isn't the codename for next release already out?
[14:29] <ecarmona> Hi guys!}
[14:30] <ecarmona> I switched to intrepid yesterday.... and it's not usable... before you yell at me, I _know_ it's in alpha
[14:30] <ecarmona> just wanted to know if there was some tweaking I could do to get kde4 to start.
[14:30] <ecarmona> or If I can be a guinea pig anyhow
[14:31] <ecarmona> I'm working on xfce meantime
[14:32] <unavailable> ok, what exact command does the shut down button in the panel use?  not the log out button, but the shut down button
[14:33] <unavailable> i need to add the ability to shut down from cairo-dock, and the default shut down applet (quitter) brings up only the log out dialog
[14:33] <unavailable> i need to have one bring up the shutdown, restart, suspend dialog
[14:57] <unavailable> nevermind i found it, gnome-session-save --shutdown-dialog and gnome-session-save --logout-dialog
[15:14] <PolitikerNEU> ecarmona: For me, it helped to NOT change the panel - If I change the panel or even add a new panel, the next time I start Kde 4, panels are floating around and often I got simply a grey screen; so delete some files of .kde (maybe .kde/share/config/plasma* is sufficent) and KDE should start again)
[15:19] <ecarmona> PolitikerNEU: Let me take a look! I'll be back!
[15:37] <eklof> Hi.
[15:38] <eklof> Anyone knows if the installation has been redone in Ibex?
[15:38] <eklof> I had problems installing to an encrypted partition in Hardy's installer.
[15:39] <nemo> Hew: aight. thanks.  kinda hoped it'd be in Ibex since Ubuntu does have a history of shoving beta software into the releases :)
[15:40] <WelshDragon> eklof, i installed Ibex 2 days ago, using an encrypted partition with the Alpha 5 i386 alternate cd
[15:40] <WelshDragon> successfully
[15:40] <Hew> nemo: Yea, I'd prefer it too, but it's probably best for most users just to use the stable version :-)
[15:41] <nemo> Hew: in this particular case, I'm only interested in it for Spore
[15:41] <nemo> which, believe it or not, I intend to buy, after verifying the hacks work so I won't get stuck with a piece of software I can use 3 times
[15:41] <nemo> given how often I've dug up 10 year old games, I don't want to be screwed by the manufacturer in that fashion
[15:41] <ecarmona> PolitikerNEU: Got it back, man... thanks!
[15:42] <nemo> Hew: it appears to require wine 1.1.4 though
[15:42] <Hew> nemo: This is probably off topic, but I wouldn't touch retail spore for that exact reason..
[15:42] <Hew> nemo: You can still easily grab the 1.1.4 deb from WineHQ
[15:42] <ecarmona> here are some things I've noticed... in case anyone cares.
[15:42] <ecarmona> I can't resize windows
[15:43] <ecarmona> I'll be back
[15:46] <eklof> WelshDragon: ok, will try again,
[15:51] <ecarmona> Guinea pig is back
[15:54] <ecarmona> I think I have no sound
[15:54] <PolitikerNEU> mom, I think I'll try to start KDE 4
[15:58] <PolitikerNEU> I have got sound - start kmix and see if your front is enabled
[15:59] <ecarmona> kmix is there
[15:59] <ecarmona> let me see with speaker-test
[15:59] <PolitikerNEU> I got another problem - not really that major, but a bit annoying: Whenever I switch X-Servers (CTRL+ALT+F7 and CTRL+ALT+F9), the sound stops for a short time
[16:01] <ecarmona> the "front" control was off
[16:01] <PolitikerNEU> so you got sound now?
[16:02] <ecarmona> yep
[16:02] <PolitikerNEU> good :-)
[16:02] <ecarmona> http://www.last.fm/user/eantoranz
[16:02] <ecarmona> thanks for your help
[16:02] <ecarmona> do I keep nagging with bugs I find here?
[16:03] <PolitikerNEU> I do not completly understand this sentence, but of course you can tell your problems here - but if it is really a bug, you should report it (if it hasn't been reported already)
[16:05] <Pici> ecarmona: no, bugs should be logged to  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[16:07] <ecarmona> ok. I'll be posting them there then
[16:07] <Pici> This is a good place to confirm bugs though
[16:08] <PolitikerNEU> Does anyone else have the problem that whenever you want to open a directory using ALT+F2, it is supposed you want to become root and you cannot enter ~ to display your home directory?
[16:08] <PolitikerNEU> and if yes, how to fix it?
[16:28] <ecarmona> PolitikerNEU: I meant if it was OK to keep posting on this channel the bugs I found on intrepid
[16:28] <PolitikerNEU> for me, it's ok
[16:36] <MrKennie> do I need a kernel debug image in order to produce debug messages?
[16:36] <MrKennie> because I do not see one for 2.6.27
[16:36] <MrKennie> package even, not image
[16:37] <MrKennie> which is annoying because I can't find out why iwl3945 currently sucks
[17:20] <Zelut> anyone else run into a problem of not being able to add a VPN connection in the new network manager?
[17:22] <Zelut> all options on the VPN tab are greyed out.
[17:29] <Unksi> Zelut: i can add, but connection fails for pptp
[17:30] <Zelut> Unksi: I realized I needed the network-manager-vpnc package and now I can at least config.
[17:31] <Unksi> Zelut: you might need -openvpn or -pptp as well depending on the server
[17:32] <Zelut> Unksi: thanks
[17:32] <Unksi> yw
[17:57] <cypherdelic> Please help, my Brother MFC210 with all correctly installed drivers incl brscan2 does not work without administrative rights. with sudo xsane, everything works. Any ideas?
[18:14] <tretle> Hi, I'm having a problem with xserver as of late... I can only run at 800x600 and when I try changing my graphics card to vesa and to a generic sceen to get higher resolution whenever I restart I get that annoying dialog which does absolutely nothing useful
[18:14] <tretle> the you are running is failsafe mode one?
[18:14] <tretle> all my settings get reset
[18:24] <sodoku> what is the password for the guest session?
[18:24] <sodoku> if you lock the screen as a guest, you cannot login anymore
[18:27] <mattik> tretle: what is your graphic card?
[18:28] <tretle> geforce 7600gs
[18:28] <tretle> worked up until recently
[18:29] <tretle> Trying to use vesa not the propietary nvidia driver
[18:30] <mattik> tretle: how about nv
[18:33] <tretle> that doesnt work either
[18:33] <mattik> ok
[18:34] <mattik> Do you have help about launchpad if you put your card name to search?
[18:39] <mattik> tretle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting, please report this bug and follow these instructions. thank you
[18:50] <RyanPrior> So, I read that Mozilla is saying they're rethinking the EULA but still say they want a license agreement. Does that mean it will be invisible to the end user? (Otherwise it would be stupid not to call it an EULA, but Mozilla has been a wee bit stupid lately...)
[19:05] <nonnii> is the new guest account working for others at the moment, I only get orange/brown background colour on vt9 when I try it out? I don't see anything alarming at the tail of Xorg.20.log. I am using the "radeon" driver on ati radeon mobile x1600
[19:07] <nonnii> I mean the guest session in "gdm-guest-session", not some virtual os guest
[19:07] <elwood> nonnii: dunno about the guest, but your framebuffer works without splash?
[19:07] <nonnii> what do you mean?
[19:08] <elwood> nonnii: booting a kernel with vga=791 quiet nosplash
[19:08] <elwood> nonnii: i get no video or strange colors until gdm
[19:09] <nonnii> I have not changed the kernel boot parameters and everything works for me like that (meaning that I can boot to my normal account OK)
[19:11] <ScislaC> is anyone here testing Psyke83's Flash PPA package?
[19:53] <dimpan> anyone here tried boxee ?
[19:57] <mattik> dimpan: what about it
[20:06] <mattik> I haven't tried yet
[20:07] <mattik> Is it better than jaiku
[20:08] <dimpan> mattik: i havent tried jaiku, but i couldnt even get boxee to run on intrepid
[20:09] <dimpan> mattik: jaiku is just social networking ?
[20:10] <mattik> it is microblog maybe
[20:10] <mattik> used by phone or by computer
[20:12] <mattik> dimpan: Maybe you have to report straight to boxee developers because it is alpha?
[20:14] <dimpan> mattik: probly but its not supported for intrepid, thats why i was wondering if anyone is actually using with intrepid
[20:16] <mattik> dimpan: ok. What is the microblog what you can use on KDE4 desktop? that widget? I don't know
[20:18] <punkrockguy318> hey how stable is the latest 8.10?
[20:23] <nonnii> punkrockguy318: I have been using 8.10 for 2 weeks and it has been stable for me, not everything works thoug, but no crashes
[20:25] <nonnii> probably would not have upgraded if I would have noticed that fglrx is not working in intrepid, but that's not so bad anyway
[20:28] <Tamagotono> anyone here using an intel x4500MHD (aka cantiga, aka G45) video chipset?  I am having problems and want to compare results.
[20:28] <chakie> Tamagotono: i tried to
[20:29] <Tamagotono> chakie: you run into problems too?
[20:29] <chakie> yes
[20:29] <chakie> on hardy, not recognized at all
[20:29] <chakie> on intrepid out of the box: solid freeze
[20:30] <chakie> with a new driver from git: crash
[20:30] <chakie> then i gave up
[20:30] <Tamagotono> did you get any display on intrepid before it crashed?
[20:30] <chakie> using the vesa driver, yes
[20:30] <chakie> i did have a case where kdm would actually try to start
[20:31] <Tamagotono> I am only getting a white screen using the intel driver
[20:31] <chakie> ie the mouse became active and the screen black
[20:31] <chakie> but the X process sat in an eternal loop
[20:31] <Tamagotono> it thinks it is working but I just can't see anything.  Works fine on an external display!
[20:31] <chakie> oh
[20:32] <ronny> hi
[20:32] <Tamagotono> it does lock up if I plug in or remove a monitor while the driver is loaded
[20:32] <ronny> my wpa just stopped working after the last updates
[20:32] <ronny> anything known about that
[20:32] <ronny> (eth1 doesnt enable envryption any more)
[20:33] <chakie> i tried some patches from the x.org bugzilla for g45, but they just changed the crash backtrace
[20:33] <ronny> s/v/c/
[20:33] <chakie> and the intel engineer that closed my bug report (a dupe) said i was to expect more bugs after this initial crash was solved
[20:34] <chakie> so i went and bought a nvidia card
[20:34] <Tamagotono> good call
[20:34] <chakie> no more intel crap
[20:34] <chakie> my intel audio doesn't work either
[20:34] <chakie> but i think intrepid's partially at fault there :)
[20:34] <Tamagotono> I like intel just because they are open source, but not the best performance
[20:35] <Tamagotono> my intel audio works fine except the speakers are not disabled when I plug in my headphones
[20:35] <mattik> chakie: hda intel doesn't work perfect me, too
[20:35] <chakie> mattik: same stuff here, i think
[20:36] <mattik> No system sounds
[20:36] <chakie> amarok1 happily plays music :)
[20:36] <chakie> but no output. and i have fiddled with alsamixer *a lot*
[20:37] <Tamagotono> I want to try the latest drivers from git but I have never used it.  Any suggestions on where to find a good tutorial or howto for using it?
[20:38] <chakie> i just followed the docs given by intel
[20:38] <chakie> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
[20:38] <chakie> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html
[20:38] <Tamagotono> cool, I'll check it out.  Thank you
[20:39] <chakie> i got the driver and the drm module and compiled against my existing x.org 7.3 installation
[20:39] <chakie> compiled ok, but did not run ok. no idea if the version "mismatch" was a problem
[20:39] <Tamagotono> my wife just served lunch.  I'll be back in a few minutes...
[20:44] <arooni> is nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new .... the same thing as dloading the binary drivers from nvidia?
[20:52] <Tamagotono> OK, I'm back!
[20:53] <tonyyarusso> Say, has anyone been using epiphany-webkit lately?  I'm curious about how it's progressing.
[20:54] <Tamagotono> arooni: basically yes, but they will get updated when the kernel is updated so you don't have to do it yourself.  There may also be a delay from when Nvidia releases a new version and when ubuntu does.
[20:54] <arooni> i am trying to get the geforce 9400gt or 9500gt to work on ubuntu hardy..... i tried dloading nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new packages.... no dice.  then i tried dloading driver from nvidias site and compiling it... but got an error that it was "Unable to load kernel module "nvidia.ko" .... happens frequently when module is built against wrong or improperly configured kernel sources)..... any ideas?
[20:57] <TuTUXG> arooni, you have to remove the restricted-module package if you gonna build the driver yourself (that's my understanding)
[20:58] <TuTUXG> arooni, also make sure you have cleaned up any previous installed driver before you do that
[20:58] <arooni> how do i do that
[20:59] <TuTUXG> remove them use aptitude purge or synaptics
[21:00] <TuTUXG> be aware of removing the restricted-module, if your system is using any other close source drivers, it may remove all of those as well
[21:00] <TuTUXG> such as some wireless card's driver
[21:01] <TuTUXG> arooni, is the 177beta driver in hardy's repo?
[21:02] <arooni> hmmm i dontk now/
[21:03] <TuTUXG> wait, isn't this the intrepid channel?
[21:04] <Saiki> yes
[21:04] <TuTUXG> i know that driver is certainly in intrepid's repo, im using it right now ;)
[21:04] <Saiki> does this channel cover xfe as well?
[21:06]  * chakie uses the 177 version too
[21:07] <chakie> nvidia could optimize the driver a bit, it's darn sluggish
[21:07] <chakie> seems no gfx drivers on linux are good. some work, but none are really good
[21:08] <TuTUXG> better than ati's drivers
[21:09] <Saiki> Nvidia's drivers are good
[21:09] <chakie> they are *slow*
[21:09] <Saiki> at least for me 7100
[21:09] <chakie> but thay are stable
[21:09] <Saiki> my*
[21:09] <Saiki> I haven't had any issues of late
[21:10] <chakie> my 8400 is lots slower than the old 6600, even on a 5 years newer machine
[21:10] <crdlb> the problem is that nvidia tries to do everything themselves, so now that X infrastructure is catching up, they have to do twice as much work as everyone else
[21:10] <chakie> yeah
[21:11] <Saiki> lol
[21:12] <Saiki> well, thtat's nvidia's fault, sin't it?
[21:13] <TuTUXG> chakie, according to http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Graphic-Cards.130.0.html, 6600 is faster than 8400
[21:14] <chakie> TuTUXG: oh, ok. but it should not matter on a 2d desktop and a five year newer dual core cpu should make it scream anyway
[21:15] <TuTUXG> i thought you were just comparing the vcards
[21:15] <chakie> but i rather have sluggish and working than fast and buggy
[21:16] <chakie> i know the older card and a kde3 desktop wasn't "hit" by the same slowdowns as an 8400 on a kde4 desktop
[21:16] <TuTUXG> anyway, nvidia has the right to do whatever they want with their product, end of story
[21:16] <chakie> touchy subject?
[21:17] <TuTUXG> ya, there are problems with kde4 and nvidia drivers
[21:17] <mattik> same with ati
[21:17] <TuTUXG> haha
[21:17] <`Matir> so for some reason, nspluginwrapper keeps breaking on my system.... somehow the link in /usr/lib64/firefox/plugins keeps pointing to a non-existent file
[21:18] <TuTUXG> make the link manually
[21:18] <TuTUXG> that' could be a workaround ;P
[21:20] <TuTUXG> chakie, not touchy, but time wasting
[21:20] <`Matir> TuTUXG, well yes, but the problem is that somehow the link keeps getting set back... not sure if it's an upgrade thing or what
[21:21] <TuTUXG> `Matir, file a bug report (if there isnt one already)
[21:24] <RyanPrior> Does anybody know what the updated plans for Firefox are? I hear that Mozilla doesn't want an "EULA per se", but still wants a license agreement, so I'm confused.
[21:24] <chakie> TuTUXG: true, we mere users can but whine and complain :)
[21:27] <Saiki> TuTUXG: I beg to differ
[21:27] <Saiki> KDE4 handles nvidia lowend cards much beter than GNOME does
[21:28] <TuTUXG> then i dont know, i dont really use kde4
[21:29] <Saiki> I was playing with it
[21:35] <ali1234> ok where's me desktop gone? ;)
[21:36] <punkrockguy318> Does proprietiery nvidia drivers have any issues in intrepid?
[21:36] <punkrockguy318> well i mean rather do they work for the most part?
[21:37] <crdlb> punkrockguy318: as long as you don't have something older than the FX series
[21:37] <punkrockguy318> alright cool
[21:37] <punkrockguy318> openoffice is generally stable?
[21:38] <Exilant> is there no gphoto >2.4.0 in ubuntu? not even for ibex?
[21:38] <Exilant> gphoto2 even
[21:39] <emet> !info gnome-do
[21:39] <emet> bad idea having gnome-do 0.6
[21:39] <emet> bad idea
[21:45] <Saiki> !xfe4
[21:45] <Saiki> !xfe
[21:45] <Saiki> !xubuntu-desktop
[21:46] <Saiki> !skype
[21:49] <Saiki> Ibex is going to be 8.10 isn't it?
[21:50] <Pici> yes.
[21:52] <ephracis> Saiki: of course it will.. what made you think it wouldn't?
[21:54] <ikt> how long till alpha 6 ^^
[21:55] <ephracis> ikt: thursday if I am not misinformed.
[21:55] <TuTUXG> !roadmap
[21:56] <Pici> !schedule
[21:57] <ikt> damn
[21:57] <ikt> thought it was sep 16th
[21:58] <chakie> it is. for 2 more minutes
[21:58] <ikt> I mean I thought they were going to release alpha 6 on sep 16th
[22:00] <RyanPrior> How radically different is the Intrepid artwork from the Hardy artwork? Does it live up to the hype generated by all the mockups?
[22:01] <ikt> afaik it's using the human murraine theme from hardy atm
[22:02] <RyanPrior> ikt: Well, we're past user interface freeze - does that mean no artwork change after all?
[22:03] <ikt> possibly
[22:03] <ikt> http://news.softpedia.com/images/extra/LINUX/large/ubuntu810alpha3-large_016.jpg <- was how it looked in alpha 1 iirc
[22:04] <RyanPrior> That would be a disappointment. A big change was promised for Hardy, but then the art team said it wasn't quite ready and that it would come through in Intrepid. :-(
[22:04] <ikt> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Alpha-5-Screenshot-Tour-93089.shtml <- how it looks alpha 5
[22:05] <RyanPrior> No way, that's more like stock Gnome stuff.
[22:05] <RyanPrior> Well, that was before user interface freeze though.
[22:05] <ikt> I think they mention it's a bit broken
[22:06] <RyanPrior> Alpha 6 should look like the final.
[22:06] <ikt> can't wait :P
[22:45] <milosz> What's happened to ALSA?
[22:45] <milosz> i can't use it at all anymore
[23:01] <Turski> milosz: huh?
[23:01] <Turski> after what?
[23:01] <milosz> last update + relogin is suppose
[23:01] <milosz> GNOME mixer allows me to only mix Pulseaudio now
[23:02] <milosz> and using ALSA from any app just makes libasound error out
[23:02] <Turski> i am having latest alsa working fine
[23:02] <milosz> ow cripes
[23:02] <milosz> i hope this coaster ride takes an end in oct!