[00:03] <Ng> is it just me, or is the workspace switcher a bit borked in intrepid atm?
[08:08] <glatzor> morning mvo
[08:12] <mvo> hey glatzor!
[08:12] <mvo> thanks for your message yesterday
[08:12] <mvo> glatzor: did you get my reply?
[08:13] <glatzor> mvo, sorry, which one?
[08:14] <mvo> glatzor: that do-release-upgrade -m desktop is a good method for the pk
[08:16] <glatzor> mvo, right. this one.
[08:17] <glatzor> mvo, I already pushed this into git.
[08:17] <mvo> heh :) nice!
[08:17] <glatzor> mvo, thanks for all your help!
[08:18] <glatzor> mvo, debian does not have the metapackages section, rigth?
[08:18] <mvo> glatzor: no
[08:18] <glatzor> mvo, packagekit now supports collections
[08:18] <mvo> based on the metapackage?
[08:19] <glatzor> mvo, currently I emit metapackages as collections
[08:19] <glatzor> mvo, currently they appear in a separate group in the gtk application and have a different icon.
[08:20] <glatzor> mvo, but they are handled by the same methods (InstallPackage, RemovePackges and friends)
[08:27]  * mvo nods
[08:27] <mvo> glatzor: great news \o/
[08:31] <glatzor> mvo, the funny thing is, that the yum backend creates virtual packages out of their groups (equivalent to Debian tasks)
[08:32] <glatzor> mvo, I would prefer not having metapackages at all and these guys emulate them :)
[08:34] <mvo> :)
[11:29] <seb128> asac: what startup page is used in firefox nowadays?
[11:30] <asac> seb128: http://start.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[11:30] <asac> seb128: i think you should use that too. but better check back with mdke
[11:30] <seb128> asac: and when there is no internet access? and there is no by locale variant?
[11:31] <asac> seb128: we are using the offline page that epiphany uses
[11:31] <asac> seb128: but the ubuntu-docs team wants to change something for intrepid
[11:31] <asac> seb128: they want to make it clear that the user is "offline"
[11:32] <asac> seb128: and consider to do that on a error-page-like page
[11:32] <seb128> ah ok
[11:32] <seb128> thanks
[11:32] <asac> seb128: but i told mdke to first figure out what ubuntu-docs team wants
[11:32] <asac> there appeared to be still unfinished discussions
[11:59] <lool> seb128: I found out about the pigment-python issue; it was stuck in depwait because the NEW packages had been put in universe instead of main
[11:59] <lool> slangasek fixed it yesterday
[12:01] <seb128> lool: ok good
[12:22] <lool> seb128: I think Riddell isn't around this week, would you mind if I grab you for 3 syncs  O:-)
[12:22] <seb128> lool: which ones?
[12:22] <lool> #262805 elisa elisa-plugins-good elisa-plugins-bad
[12:23] <lool> There was an issue with Debian's ftpmaster and I had to reupload -bad -2 again this morning, hope it's installed now
[12:23] <lool> It's experimental or incoming
[12:24] <lool> elisa/0.5.9-1-1/experimental elisa-plugins-good/0.5.9-1/experimental elisa-plugins-bad/0.5.9-1-2/incoming
[13:36] <seb128> mvo: would be nice if you could fix the white screen on second login issue before next intrepid milestone so the guest account and user switching can get testing ;-)
[13:37] <seb128> mvo: I just closed some dups about that
[13:43] <mvo> seb128: its commited to bzr already, I was checking if there is more that needs to get uploaded, its definitely going in today
[13:43] <seb128> mvo: good, thank you
[13:45] <mvo> thanks
[14:10] <seb128> hey tedg
[14:10] <tedg> Morning seb128
[14:11] <seb128> tedg: I sponsored your fusa update, does it fix the crasher issue?
[14:12] <tedg> I was going to download a LiveCD this morning to test.
[14:12] <tedg> I'm queueing that right now :)
[14:13] <tedg> Didn't we talk about you waking up later? ;)
[14:14] <tedg> Wait, there only seems to be manifests in the Live CD directory.
[14:14] <tedg> No .iso's.
[14:15] <tedg> An NM, wrong directory.
[14:16] <seb128> ;-)
[16:27] <seb128> gicmo: do you know if there is an quick way to check if an url is a 404 using command line tools?
[16:33] <geser> seb128: have you tried HEAD?
[16:33] <james_w> seb128: HEAD -s https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/asdf | head -n 1 | cut -d" " -f 1
[16:34] <seb128> geser, james_w: thanks
[16:36] <geser> james_w: you can replase the "head -n 1" with the option -d to HEAD (and -s is always set for HEAD)
[16:49] <james_w> geser: thanks for the tip
[17:19]  * Ng curious if anyone else is seeing intrepid's workspace switcher applet (when using compiz) only occupying half of the height of the panel
[17:20] <seb128> Ng: it's a classic compiz misconfiguration
[17:21] <Ng> seb128: oh? is it something I've done? I have poked around a lot in ccsm
[17:22] <seb128> Ng: yes, your number of viewport and workspaces is not correct
[17:23] <Ng> in General -> Desktop Size, I have Horizontal Virtual Size = 4, Vertical Virtual Size = 2 and Number of Desktops = 1
[17:28] <seb128> Ng: you want to speak to mvo
[17:29] <Ng> mvo: hi :)
[17:30] <seb128> and in the GNOME applet preferences?
[17:30] <mvo> Ng: hello! could you please put your export of the configuration somehwere (pastebin etc). ccsm has something like "export to file" IIRC
[17:32] <Ng> sure
[17:33] <Ng> mvo: http://pastebin.com/f48b49c25
[17:34] <Ng> the applet preferences shows 4 columns 2 rows. changing that just seems to affect the half of the workspace applet which has workspaces in it
[17:38] <mvo> Ng: hm, strange. #
[17:38] <mvo> s0_number_of_desktops = 1 is one, that looks good
[17:43] <mvo> Ng: I try after dinner
[17:44] <Ng> mvo: ok, thanks :)
[17:48] <gicmo> seb128: any idea when flash will be usable again?
[17:54] <seb128> asac: ^
[17:54] <seb128> gicmo: what is broken?
[17:54] <gicmo> well its prolly due to me being on 64 bit and that ndiswrapper thingy
[17:55] <gicmo> but I just see gray areas everywhere
[17:55] <gicmo> nothing more or less
[17:59] <seb128> gicmo: using swfdec or the adobe plugin?
[17:59] <asac> gicmo: remove libflashsupport.so
[18:00] <seb128> asac: how come we still have this crap on intrepid?
[18:00] <asac> seb128: its still in ia32libs ... should be gone in next upload
[18:00] <seb128> asac: is that the "ia32libs needs update"?
[18:00] <seb128> alright
[18:00] <asac> which _must_ happen before beta
[18:01] <asac> gicmo: /usr/lib/libflashsupport.so ... you can just remove that (but this is really an exception ;))
[18:01] <asac> err
[18:01] <asac> gicmo: /usr/lib32/libflashsupport.so
[18:01] <asac> gicmo: at least there should be more stability. performance will be fixed by the next flash release we hope
[18:01] <asac> but thats an adobe bug
[18:02] <gicmo> ok, now the browser froze ;-/
[18:02] <asac> gicmo: have you properly restarted everything after removing it?
[18:03] <dilomo> hey seb128
[18:03] <dilomo> I'm the New Wave theme developer
[18:04] <seb128> hi dilomo
[18:04] <seb128> dunno what wave is
[18:04] <dilomo> I want to ask if the patch for the Main menu
[18:04] <dilomo> will arrive in 8.10
[18:04] <seb128> dunno what patch or main menu you are speaking about
[18:05] <dilomo> how so?
[18:05] <seb128> how what?
[18:05] <seb128> are you sure you want to speak to me and not somebody else?
[18:05] <dilomo> ok benzea wrote
[18:06] <dilomo> a patch that gives the Main Menu
[18:06] <dilomo> in gnome a name so that it can be themed separately
[18:06] <dilomo> then vuntz in the gnome-art channel
[18:06] <dilomo> commited it to gnome some days ago
[18:06] <seb128> ok, so it'll be in the next tarballs
[18:07] <dilomo> thank you :)
[18:07] <dilomo> that means alpha 6 or beta ?
[18:07] <seb128> beta
[18:08] <dilomo> cool
[18:10] <dilomo> just for the record that's New Wave:
[18:10] <dilomo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/NewWave
[18:11] <seb128> interesting ;-)
[18:12] <dilomo> :) I'm glad you like it
[18:17] <dilomo> I have to run
[18:17] <dilomo> bye
[18:49] <gicmo> hmm /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[18:49] <gicmo> even when removing the flashsupport it doesnt work
[18:49] <gicmo> at all
[19:09] <Keybuk> err
[19:09] <Keybuk> so the clock time setting stuff has gone a little pessimal
[19:09] <Keybuk> Right click on clock -> Adjust Time
[19:09] <Keybuk> it pre filled in the local time (as well as showing me London time)
[19:09] <Keybuk> if I set that, it winds the block back and claims to be 11am London time!
[19:09] <Keybuk> it doesn't change the timezone
[19:10] <james_w> Keybuk: poke seb128 to fix it
[19:10] <james_w> glad to see you back btw
[19:11]  * Keybuk tries to remember how to change the timezone the old fashioned awy
[19:11]  * cody-somerville sneezes.
[19:11] <james_w> I fixed time-admin to not do something very similar the other day
[19:11] <james_w> the timezone thing might be a different bug though
[19:20] <seb128> hey Keybuk, nice to see you back, how are you?
[19:20] <Keybuk> I'm much better thanks
[19:20] <seb128> good ;-)
[19:20]  * seb128 hugs Keybuk
[19:20] <seb128> the "set" button to change timezone works here
[19:21] <Keybuk> seb128: which "set" button?
[19:21] <seb128> the dialog to adjust the time doesn't though, I commited the fix upstream but I've been too lazy to backport it to intrepid, I'm just waiting on the new tarball
[19:22] <seb128> Keybuk: when you have several locations configured they are listed under the map in the clock applet, on mouseover you get a "set" you can use to change the current timezone
[19:23] <Keybuk> oh, I didn't know that :)
[19:24] <seb128> that's there since hardy ;-)
[19:25] <Keybuk> the button only appears when you point at it
[19:25] <Keybuk> that's about as discoverable as the secret dwarf door that only appears when you speak certain words at a certain time of day when a nightingale sings
[19:26] <seb128> ah ah
[19:26] <Keybuk> sorry, momentarily channeling mpt there ;)
[19:26] <seb128> in fact it's display when you mouseover the location line here, which is easy to discover if you let you mouse over one location to get the weather details which are in the tooltip
[19:27] <seb128> but you can argue than the weather details in the tooltip are as discoverable ;-)
[19:27] <Keybuk> I didn't even know you could get the weather that way!
[19:27] <seb128> see ;-)
[19:27] <Keybuk> and I don't think I've ever needed to set my timezone *and* look at the weather at the same time ;)
[19:28] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:28] <seb128> Keybuk: btw congrats for being a GNOME foundation member now ;-)
[19:28] <Keybuk> \o/
[19:28] <Keybuk> not sure what that entitles me too
[19:29] <seb128> you can vote the board members
[19:30] <seb128> and you are in the about GNOME dialog ;-)
[19:31] <Keybuk> is that the dialog I keep trying to get rid of? :p
[19:32] <seb128> maybe they accepted you just to make you reconsider that ;-)
[19:32] <Keybuk> I'd add About dialogs for every other component of Ubuntu :)
[19:32] <Keybuk> About Kernel
[19:32] <Keybuk> About X
[19:32] <Keybuk> About GNU
[19:32] <Keybuk> About Freedesktop
[19:32] <Keybuk> About RedHat
[19:32] <Keybuk> About Canonical
[19:33] <Keybuk> About Two Guys In A Garage
[19:33] <cody-somerville> About You
[19:35] <Keybuk> now that'd be a good dialog box!
[19:35] <Keybuk> Your favourite colour is Purple
[19:35] <Keybuk> Your favourite ice cream flavour is Strawberry
[19:35] <Keybuk> You are currently wearing black boxer shorts
[19:35] <jcastro> don't forget "About Karl Lattimer"
[19:35] <jcastro> welcome back Keybuk, congrats on foundation membership!
[19:36] <Keybuk> jcastro: I feel an easter egg coming on
[19:37] <tedg> I think it should be "Your favorite color is Brown" and if you try to change it a little dialog comes up "No, I told you your favorite color is Brown!"
[19:53] <Ampelbein> seb128, james_w: any ideas on bug 140424 ? in the last comments, a user asks if the plugin could be activated by default, but I cannot find an easy way to activate a plugin at install-time without breaking the user's custom chosen plugins to use.
[19:54] <seb128> Ampelbein: I would send the request upstream to start and let them decide
[19:54] <seb128> Ampelbein: should the schemas be modified? that just apply to default when user didn't do any changes
[19:56] <pochu> wow, I didn't know eog had plugins
[19:56] <pochu> that "double-click to fullscreen" one looks quite useful
[19:57] <Ampelbein> seb128: from what i know, the active plugins are described in ~/.gconf/apps/eog/plugins/%gconf.xml so i thought about installing one where the fullscreen-plugin is activated by default.
[19:58] <Ampelbein> but if we create a gconf.xml that would overwrite the one the user created.
[19:59] <seb128> Ampelbein: look to the eog.schemas
[19:59] <pochu> Ampelbein: you have to modify the system-wide one instead, /usr/share/gconf/schemas/eog.schemas
[20:01] <Ampelbein> i see
[20:01] <Ampelbein> thanks, will first report upstream, then fiddle around locally. thanks.
[20:08] <mvo> Ng: I just tried it here and it seems to behave sanely
[20:08] <mvo> Ng: just to confirm, you have set "integration" to on
[20:08] <mvo> Ng:  and you use the gconf backend (not the flat file one)?
[20:09] <seb128> I bet that's again a backend issue
[20:18] <seb128> see you later
[20:45] <superm1> Hi guys.  i was wondering if it was now intentional behavior that the power button is bringing up a logout dialog instead of shutdown dialog, or if that was an oversight/bug?
[20:45] <superm1> (on up to date intrepid)
[20:53] <superm1> ah well it's marked as bug 252795 at least.
[21:20] <Ng> mvo: definitely using gconf..... integtraion?
[21:27] <mvo> Ng: under preferences (lower left corner) "enable integration in the desktop environment"
[21:28] <Ng> mvo: yeah that's ticked
[21:35] <mvo> Ng: ok, the next step would be to go to gconf-editor, then /apps/panel/applets
[21:36] <mvo> then search in the apps_%i for the name with bonoboo_iid "...WorkspaceSwitchApplet"
[21:36] <mvo> and look for preferences under that
[21:36] <mvo> eh, "prefs"
[21:36] <mvo> and there "num_rows"
[21:36] <mvo> unfortunately its that complicated as that key has no static location
[21:39] <seb128> mvo: you know that gconf-editor as a search feature? just search for the key name there
[21:39] <Ng> mvo: aha, yeah that was set to num_rows=2
[21:40] <Ng> changing it to 1 makes the switcher DTRT
[21:40] <Ng> but I don't know what would have changed that
[21:40] <mvo> seb128: *cough* that clearly shows that I need to go to bed
[21:40] <seb128> ;-)
[21:49] <Ampelbein> seb128: ok, i managed to activate the eog-fullscreen plugin by editing the schemas. is this something "worth" changing so i could provide a debdiff or should we wait for upstream-comments on the issue?
[21:50] <seb128> Ampelbein: that's something I would wait for upstream comments before changing, we have no reason to hurry into changing to be different on ubuntu
[21:50] <Ampelbein> ok, thanks.