| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:17 |
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| LaserJock | hi sbalneav | 04:18 |
| sbalneav | Hey LaserJock | 04:19 |
| jodan20xx | Anyone awake tonight? | 05:14 |
| sbalneav | Yup | 05:16 |
| jodan20xx | Do you happen to know if wine works for windows only printers? | 05:18 |
| sbalneav | I've heard of people having some success with them, but you'd have to experiment to find out. | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | What type of printer is it? | 05:20 |
| jodan20xx | lexmark x4530 | 05:22 |
| jodan20xx | noted as a paperweight for linux on most sites | 05:22 |
| sbalneav | I've never had any success with Lexmarks. | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | You could try, but I wouldn't hold out much hope. | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | And you'd only be able to print from wine applications anyway. | 05:23 |
| jodan20xx | yeah i am going to try ... and i do know that but that is fine ... open office is open office lol | 05:24 |
| jodan20xx | i had a windows box go haywire on me, that was my printing box lol. so i am trying everything in my power to make this work lol | 05:25 |
| sbalneav | Heading to bed | 05:37 |
| sbalneav | nite | 05:37 |
| coolio | morning | 07:27 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all! | 13:05 |
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| LaserJock | happy LTSP Hug Day!! | 16:41 |
| sbalneav | Hey hey | 16:41 |
| LaserJock | last night I got edubuntu-desktop-kde off of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html \o/ ! | 16:42 |
| sbalneav | Super! | 16:42 |
| LaserJock | denemo and rasmol should be ready for demotion as well | 16:42 |
| LaserJock | so our part of the archive should be consistent | 16:42 |
| LaserJock | I'm trying to work with mvo on a gnome-app-install issue | 16:44 |
| LaserJock | normally when metapackages are removed their dependencies are left | 16:44 |
| LaserJock | so you can remove ubuntu-desktop for instance without having *everything* autoremoved | 16:45 |
| LaserJock | but for our edubuntu-addon-* metapackages we do want to remove the dependencies | 16:45 |
| sbalneav | Makes sense | 16:48 |
| LaserJock | so we're perhaps going to add a flag that g-a-i will use to say "heah, please remove the deps when I remove this metapackage" | 16:48 |
| LaserJock | so I just add that flag to the .desktop files and we should be set, hopefully | 16:49 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: anybody show up for some LTSP bug action? | 16:55 |
| Lns | " Nick Kendall (Mailbox has been deleted. Try re-entering the address.) " Still happening on list edubuntu-user | 18:32 |
| sbalneav | I sent an email off the the list admin a couple of days ago, haven't heard back. | 18:33 |
| sbalneav | LaserJock: Nope, not so far. I'm just persuing some bugs I know are there. | 18:33 |
| Lns | sbalneav: ah ok | 18:33 |
| sbalneav | To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda disappointed. | 18:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I know what you mean | 18:34 |
| sbalneav | Ah, well. I long ago gave up working on free software because I sought the accolades of my users :) | 18:36 |
| sbalneav | I do it purely for my own enjoyment. | 18:36 |
| sbalneav | However, if end user don't want to step up and help in the process, the results are: I scratch all my own itches, instead of theirs :) | 18:36 |
| GJ | Help! New to Edubuntu. Just upgraded to 8.04. Edubuntu-server could not be installed due to a dependency problem. What do I do? | 18:48 |
| LaserJock | GJ: can you give the dependency problem? | 19:06 |
| GJ | How do I discover what the dependency is? | 19:07 |
| sbalneav | GJ: How are you installing it? | 19:09 |
| GJ | I apologize for my ignorance. I just inherited this server administration job a couple days ago. On the edubuntu server I noticed a button that said there were hundreds of updates available. When I clicked on it, the first thing at the top was for ubuntu8.04 upgrade, I think. I selected that and the rest is history. The upgrade was going along fine until it got to moodle configuration. | 19:13 |
| GJ | I couldn't answer the configuration questions for moodle so I skipped that. Then the installation of edubuntu-server failed. | 19:14 |
| sbalneav | Well, the moodle's probably thing blocking the upgrade | 19:15 |
| sbalneav | So, could you go to applications->accessories->terminal | 19:15 |
| sbalneav | Should get a command line prompt | 19:15 |
| GJ | Yes I have the command line prompt | 19:16 |
| sbalneav | ok, lets enter: sudo apt-get update | 19:17 |
| GJ | done | 19:17 |
| sbalneav | Any errors? | 19:17 |
| GJ | Sorry. Still downloading stuff | 19:18 |
| sbalneav | Let me know if there's any errors | 19:19 |
| GJ | The satellite connection is very slow at this time of the day. | 19:19 |
| GJ | Finished. no errors | 19:20 |
| Nubae | check to see if moodle requires some intervention on the web side too | 19:20 |
| Nubae | database upgrade maybe | 19:20 |
| GJ | I think moodle is OK. I'm really just wondering how I get edubuntu-server to install. | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | GJ: OK, lets do an apt-get upgrade | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | sorry | 19:21 |
| sbalneav | sudo apt-get upgrade | 19:22 |
| GJ | What will that upgrade? If it involves downloading anything more than a few megabytes I'll be here all day. | 19:22 |
| HedgeMage | GJ: you have my sympathy -- I just got to ditch my satellite for a wired connection last week! | 19:23 |
| GJ | That's why I'm trying to convince the owner of this server to let me plug it into the DSL router. | 19:24 |
| sbalneav | GJ: That will upgrade the system, and hopefully resolve any dependency issues you're having. | 19:24 |
| HedgeMage | GJ: did you know that you can order a CD or DVD with 99% of the packages you need and have it shipped to you? Or, you could download the image and burn a disc elsewhere | 19:25 |
| HedgeMage | GJ: Oh, my! Why use satellite if DSL is available? And, why run a server via satellite at all? | 19:25 |
| GJ | That is not my decision. I am trying to convince the owner to ditch the satellite. Resistant for some reason, however. | 19:26 |
| HedgeMage | good luck! | 19:27 |
| GJ | The upgrade command says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 2 not upgraded (ltsp-server, tftpd-hpa) | 19:27 |
| GJ | What command should I run to install edubuntu-server? | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | ok, so do an apt-get install ltsp-server tftp-hpa | 19:30 |
| sbalneav | Do you have any thin clients there? | 19:30 |
| GJ | Yes | 19:31 |
| sbalneav | ok, well, upgrading ltsp-server's going to end up with you having to rebuild the client images | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | Downloads of about 250 megs of stuff for that. | 19:33 |
| sbalneav | Or, if you have a cdrom of Hardy, you could install from that. | 19:34 |
| GJ | OK, did the apt-get install. Results: 1 upgraded (ltsp-server), 2 newly installed (openbsd-inetd, tftp-hpa), 1 removed (netkit-inetd), and 1 not upgraded) | 19:35 |
| sbalneav | ok, try doing the apt-get install edubuntu-server | 19:36 |
| GJ | Did that. Result: edubuntu-server already newest version so it was not upgraded. | 19:40 |
| GJ | Now assuming that edubuntu-server is good, you say I have to download the client image. How do I do that? | 19:44 |
| sbalneav | Well, you'd build it with the ltsp-build-client command. But first... | 19:45 |
| sbalneav | I'd back up everything in /opt, and /var/lib/tftboot | 19:45 |
| GJ | Treat me as a newbie. I haven't worked with linux for the last four or five years. Suggest how to do the backup. | 19:47 |
| sbalneav | Well, does this server have regular nightly backups? | 19:48 |
| sbalneav | tape backup or the like that you can restore from? | 19:48 |
| Goosemoose | anyone figure out how to put icons on ALL user desktops? | 19:50 |
| GJ | We are talking about a server in a private school here. The school basically has no money. There is definitely NO backup system. | 19:50 |
| sbalneav | Goosemoose: New users, or existing users? | 19:52 |
| Goosemoose | well new to the machine. the ubuntu machine actually authenticates users against the AD domain | 19:52 |
| sbalneav | GJ: Is this machine currently being used in the classroom? | 19:53 |
| GJ | Yes, it is the classroom server. Would it be possible to backup on a CD-RW? | 19:54 |
| sbalneav | Depends on how much data there is. What does the output of df -k give. And, is it in use *right now*, i.e. are students logged into it as we speak. | 19:55 |
| GJ | The df command gives a lot of info. What do you need? No one is logged in on any of the thin clients. | 19:57 |
| sbalneav | How much time until they are? On a really fast connection, it'll take at least 30 minutes to rebuild the image, and if you've got a slower connection, it could take hours. Students will be unable to log in until it's done. I'd recommend grabbing a USB hard drive from somewhere, doing a system backup (you've already upgraded, and that's an irreversible process now, as you didn't have a backup before) but I'd be reluctant to step | 20:00 |
| GJ | It appears that the hard drive has just under 9GB in use. There is nothing around here that will hold that much. I could go home and get my USB hard drive, but I hate to lose my own computer's backup. | 20:03 |
| GJ | I have as much time as needed to get the clients going again. The students won't be using this room until next week. | 20:05 |
| HedgeMage | GJ: If you are in the US I could burn most of what you need to CD or DVD and mail it to you. | 20:05 |
| sbalneav | GJ: It's your call. I can get you going on the process. I have to leave in a few hours, so if it doesn't get resolved before then, you'll either have to wait until I'm on again, or try to get help from someone else. | 20:07 |
| sbalneav | I'd (at a bare minimum) do the following: | 20:07 |
| sbalneav | sudo mkdir /backup | 20:07 |
| GJ | I should be able to download anything I need on my laptop (WinXP) and burn the CD/DVD myself shouldn't I? After all, my laptop is connected via a fast DSL connection. Where would I download the needed client files? | 20:08 |
| HedgeMage | GJ: sure, that will work | 20:08 |
| sbalneav | sudo tar czvf /backup/ltsp-backup.tgz /opt/ltsp | 20:08 |
| sbalneav | sudo tar czvf /backup/tftpbackup.tgz /var/lib/tftpboot | 20:08 |
| sbalneav | You'd need an ISO image of the distro. | 20:09 |
| GJ | That's the client distro? | 20:11 |
| sbalneav | Well, You've upgraded to Hardy, and building the client image is done from the same distro as the server. | 20:11 |
| sbalneav | Since you upgraded to 8.04, which is hardy, that's the cd image you'll want. | 20:12 |
| GJ | Oh. So once I've done the backup you suggested above and downloaded the edubuntu distro, I have to create the client image. Right? | 20:13 |
| GJ | Or do I have to download the whole Ubuntu 8.04 distro again? | 20:15 |
| sbalneav | If you download the distro's ISO, we can create the image from that. | 20:17 |
| GJ | I can do that on my laptop through my DSL connection fairly rapidly, I guess. Where can I find the ISO image? | 20:18 |
| GJ | At edubuntu.org??? | 20:19 |
| sbalneav | An ubuntu image will do you fine. | 20:22 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: have you seen http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ? | 20:23 |
| sbalneav | http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ | 20:23 |
| LaserJock | they've got a little downloader thingy like Ubuntu has | 20:23 |
| LaserJock | the Ubuntu webmaster offered to have that for Edubuntu too | 20:24 |
| GJ | The server says it used Intel Xeon processor. Should I just assume it is NOT an 64 bit processor? | 20:27 |
| LaserJock | GJ: if you run: uname -a in a terminal it can help you figure out | 20:28 |
| LaserJock | GJ: if at the end it says x86_64 GNU/Linux your running 64 bit | 20:28 |
| GJ | Says i686 GNU/Linux. So guess it's not 64 bit | 20:29 |
| LaserJock | nope | 20:29 |
| GJ | Thanks to all who have helped, esp. sbalneav! I could not have got this far without your help. I will try to figure out how to rebuild the client just as soon as I have that ISO image in hand. I may be back at a later date! | 20:31 |
| GJ | Oh, one more question. It's the server install image that I need rather than the desktop image right? | 20:33 |
| GJ | And one more! I see an alternate install CD referred to which says it's for systems with less than 384 MB of RAM. Although the server has 2 GB of RAM the thin clients have only 64 MB of RAM. Does that affect which install image I should download? | 20:36 |
| sbalneav | GJ: Safest bet would be the desktop cd | 20:38 |
| GJ | Thanks! | 20:39 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: oh wait, GJ needed the Alternate disk | 21:01 |
| LaserJock | sbalneav: the Desktop CD doesn't have really much of any .debs on it | 21:02 |
| sbalneav | ah, right | 21:06 |
| Goosemoose | anyone have their students home dir pointing to a windows share? | 21:45 |
| sbalneav | Goosemoose: Nope. Problems? | 22:02 |
| Goosemoose | lol, yeah can't get it to work | 22:03 |
| Goosemoose | im trying to work off the pam_mount.conf.xml file rightn ow | 22:03 |
| Goosemoose | now | 22:03 |
| Goosemoose | login via likewise-open is working fine | 22:03 |
| Goosemoose | but im trying to make some of the users directories | 22:03 |
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