[04:17] Evening all [04:18] hi sbalneav [04:19] Hey LaserJock [05:14] Anyone awake tonight? [05:16] Yup [05:18] Do you happen to know if wine works for windows only printers? [05:20] I've heard of people having some success with them, but you'd have to experiment to find out. [05:20] What type of printer is it? [05:22] lexmark x4530 [05:22] noted as a paperweight for linux on most sites [05:23] I've never had any success with Lexmarks. [05:23] You could try, but I wouldn't hold out much hope. [05:23] And you'd only be able to print from wine applications anyway. [05:24] yeah i am going to try ... and i do know that but that is fine ... open office is open office lol [05:25] i had a windows box go haywire on me, that was my printing box lol. so i am trying everything in my power to make this work lol [05:37] Heading to bed [05:37] nite [07:27] morning === michiel_e is now known as Eghie [13:05] Morning all! === calimer- is now known as calimer [16:41] happy LTSP Hug Day!! [16:41] Hey hey [16:42] last night I got edubuntu-desktop-kde off of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html \o/ ! [16:42] Super! [16:42] denemo and rasmol should be ready for demotion as well [16:42] so our part of the archive should be consistent [16:44] I'm trying to work with mvo on a gnome-app-install issue [16:44] normally when metapackages are removed their dependencies are left [16:45] so you can remove ubuntu-desktop for instance without having *everything* autoremoved [16:45] but for our edubuntu-addon-* metapackages we do want to remove the dependencies [16:48] Makes sense [16:48] so we're perhaps going to add a flag that g-a-i will use to say "heah, please remove the deps when I remove this metapackage" [16:49] so I just add that flag to the .desktop files and we should be set, hopefully [16:55] sbalneav: anybody show up for some LTSP bug action? [18:32] " Nick Kendall (Mailbox has been deleted. Try re-entering the address.) " Still happening on list edubuntu-user [18:33] I sent an email off the the list admin a couple of days ago, haven't heard back. [18:33] LaserJock: Nope, not so far. I'm just persuing some bugs I know are there. [18:33] sbalneav: ah ok [18:34] To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda disappointed. [18:34] yeah, I know what you mean [18:36] Ah, well. I long ago gave up working on free software because I sought the accolades of my users :) [18:36] I do it purely for my own enjoyment. [18:36] However, if end user don't want to step up and help in the process, the results are: I scratch all my own itches, instead of theirs :) [18:48] Help! New to Edubuntu. Just upgraded to 8.04. Edubuntu-server could not be installed due to a dependency problem. What do I do? [19:06] GJ: can you give the dependency problem? [19:07] How do I discover what the dependency is? [19:09] GJ: How are you installing it? [19:13] I apologize for my ignorance. I just inherited this server administration job a couple days ago. On the edubuntu server I noticed a button that said there were hundreds of updates available. When I clicked on it, the first thing at the top was for ubuntu8.04 upgrade, I think. I selected that and the rest is history. The upgrade was going along fine until it got to moodle configuration. [19:14] I couldn't answer the configuration questions for moodle so I skipped that. Then the installation of edubuntu-server failed. [19:15] Well, the moodle's probably thing blocking the upgrade [19:15] So, could you go to applications->accessories->terminal [19:15] Should get a command line prompt [19:16] Yes I have the command line prompt [19:17] ok, lets enter: sudo apt-get update [19:17] done [19:17] Any errors? [19:18] Sorry. Still downloading stuff [19:19] Let me know if there's any errors [19:19] The satellite connection is very slow at this time of the day. [19:20] Finished. no errors [19:20] check to see if moodle requires some intervention on the web side too [19:20] database upgrade maybe [19:21] I think moodle is OK. I'm really just wondering how I get edubuntu-server to install. [19:21] GJ: OK, lets do an apt-get upgrade [19:21] sorry [19:22] sudo apt-get upgrade [19:22] What will that upgrade? If it involves downloading anything more than a few megabytes I'll be here all day. [19:23] GJ: you have my sympathy -- I just got to ditch my satellite for a wired connection last week! [19:24] That's why I'm trying to convince the owner of this server to let me plug it into the DSL router. [19:24] GJ: That will upgrade the system, and hopefully resolve any dependency issues you're having. [19:25] GJ: did you know that you can order a CD or DVD with 99% of the packages you need and have it shipped to you? Or, you could download the image and burn a disc elsewhere [19:25] GJ: Oh, my! Why use satellite if DSL is available? And, why run a server via satellite at all? [19:26] That is not my decision. I am trying to convince the owner to ditch the satellite. Resistant for some reason, however. [19:27] good luck! [19:27] The upgrade command says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 2 not upgraded (ltsp-server, tftpd-hpa) [19:30] What command should I run to install edubuntu-server? [19:30] ok, so do an apt-get install ltsp-server tftp-hpa [19:30] Do you have any thin clients there? [19:31] Yes [19:33] ok, well, upgrading ltsp-server's going to end up with you having to rebuild the client images [19:33] Downloads of about 250 megs of stuff for that. [19:34] Or, if you have a cdrom of Hardy, you could install from that. [19:35] OK, did the apt-get install. Results: 1 upgraded (ltsp-server), 2 newly installed (openbsd-inetd, tftp-hpa), 1 removed (netkit-inetd), and 1 not upgraded) [19:36] ok, try doing the apt-get install edubuntu-server [19:40] Did that. Result: edubuntu-server already newest version so it was not upgraded. [19:44] Now assuming that edubuntu-server is good, you say I have to download the client image. How do I do that? [19:45] Well, you'd build it with the ltsp-build-client command. But first... [19:45] I'd back up everything in /opt, and /var/lib/tftboot [19:47] Treat me as a newbie. I haven't worked with linux for the last four or five years. Suggest how to do the backup. [19:48] Well, does this server have regular nightly backups? [19:48] tape backup or the like that you can restore from? [19:50] anyone figure out how to put icons on ALL user desktops? [19:50] We are talking about a server in a private school here. The school basically has no money. There is definitely NO backup system. [19:52] Goosemoose: New users, or existing users? [19:52] well new to the machine. the ubuntu machine actually authenticates users against the AD domain [19:53] GJ: Is this machine currently being used in the classroom? [19:54] Yes, it is the classroom server. Would it be possible to backup on a CD-RW? [19:55] Depends on how much data there is. What does the output of df -k give. And, is it in use *right now*, i.e. are students logged into it as we speak. [19:57] The df command gives a lot of info. What do you need? No one is logged in on any of the thin clients. [20:00] How much time until they are? On a really fast connection, it'll take at least 30 minutes to rebuild the image, and if you've got a slower connection, it could take hours. Students will be unable to log in until it's done. I'd recommend grabbing a USB hard drive from somewhere, doing a system backup (you've already upgraded, and that's an irreversible process now, as you didn't have a backup before) but I'd be reluctant to step [20:03] It appears that the hard drive has just under 9GB in use. There is nothing around here that will hold that much. I could go home and get my USB hard drive, but I hate to lose my own computer's backup. [20:05] I have as much time as needed to get the clients going again. The students won't be using this room until next week. [20:05] GJ: If you are in the US I could burn most of what you need to CD or DVD and mail it to you. [20:07] GJ: It's your call. I can get you going on the process. I have to leave in a few hours, so if it doesn't get resolved before then, you'll either have to wait until I'm on again, or try to get help from someone else. [20:07] I'd (at a bare minimum) do the following: [20:07] sudo mkdir /backup [20:08] I should be able to download anything I need on my laptop (WinXP) and burn the CD/DVD myself shouldn't I? After all, my laptop is connected via a fast DSL connection. Where would I download the needed client files? [20:08] GJ: sure, that will work [20:08] sudo tar czvf /backup/ltsp-backup.tgz /opt/ltsp [20:08] sudo tar czvf /backup/tftpbackup.tgz /var/lib/tftpboot [20:09] You'd need an ISO image of the distro. [20:11] That's the client distro? [20:11] Well, You've upgraded to Hardy, and building the client image is done from the same distro as the server. [20:12] Since you upgraded to 8.04, which is hardy, that's the cd image you'll want. [20:13] Oh. So once I've done the backup you suggested above and downloaded the edubuntu distro, I have to create the client image. Right? [20:15] Or do I have to download the whole Ubuntu 8.04 distro again? [20:17] If you download the distro's ISO, we can create the image from that. [20:18] I can do that on my laptop through my DSL connection fairly rapidly, I guess. Where can I find the ISO image? [20:19] At edubuntu.org??? [20:22] An ubuntu image will do you fine. [20:23] sbalneav: have you seen http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ? [20:23] http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/ [20:23] they've got a little downloader thingy like Ubuntu has [20:24] the Ubuntu webmaster offered to have that for Edubuntu too [20:27] The server says it used Intel Xeon processor. Should I just assume it is NOT an 64 bit processor? [20:28] GJ: if you run: uname -a in a terminal it can help you figure out [20:28] GJ: if at the end it says x86_64 GNU/Linux your running 64 bit [20:29] Says i686 GNU/Linux. So guess it's not 64 bit [20:29] nope [20:31] Thanks to all who have helped, esp. sbalneav! I could not have got this far without your help. I will try to figure out how to rebuild the client just as soon as I have that ISO image in hand. I may be back at a later date! [20:33] Oh, one more question. It's the server install image that I need rather than the desktop image right? [20:36] And one more! I see an alternate install CD referred to which says it's for systems with less than 384 MB of RAM. Although the server has 2 GB of RAM the thin clients have only 64 MB of RAM. Does that affect which install image I should download? [20:38] GJ: Safest bet would be the desktop cd [20:39] Thanks! [21:01] sbalneav: oh wait, GJ needed the Alternate disk [21:02] sbalneav: the Desktop CD doesn't have really much of any .debs on it [21:06] ah, right [21:45] anyone have their students home dir pointing to a windows share? [22:02] Goosemoose: Nope. Problems? [22:03] lol, yeah can't get it to work [22:03] im trying to work off the pam_mount.conf.xml file rightn ow [22:03] now [22:03] login via likewise-open is working fine [22:03] but im trying to make some of the users directories