[04:17] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:18] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[04:19] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[05:14] <jodan20xx> Anyone awake tonight?
[05:16] <sbalneav> Yup
[05:18] <jodan20xx> Do you happen to know if wine works for windows only printers?
[05:20] <sbalneav> I've heard of people having some success with them, but you'd have to experiment to find out.
[05:20] <sbalneav> What type of printer is it?
[05:22] <jodan20xx> lexmark x4530
[05:22] <jodan20xx> noted as a paperweight for linux on most sites
[05:23] <sbalneav> I've never had any success with Lexmarks.
[05:23] <sbalneav> You could try, but I wouldn't hold out much hope.
[05:23] <sbalneav> And you'd only be able to print from wine applications anyway.
[05:24] <jodan20xx> yeah i am going to try ... and i do know that but that is fine ... open office is open office lol
[05:25] <jodan20xx> i had a windows box go haywire on me, that was my printing box lol. so i am trying everything in my power to make this work lol
[05:37] <sbalneav> Heading to bed
[05:37] <sbalneav> nite
[07:27] <coolio> morning
[13:05] <sbalneav> Morning all!
[16:41] <LaserJock> happy LTSP Hug Day!!
[16:41] <sbalneav> Hey hey
[16:42] <LaserJock> last night I got edubuntu-desktop-kde off of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html  \o/ !
[16:42] <sbalneav> Super!
[16:42] <LaserJock> denemo and rasmol should be ready for demotion as well
[16:42] <LaserJock> so our part of the archive should be consistent
[16:44] <LaserJock> I'm trying to work with mvo on a gnome-app-install issue
[16:44] <LaserJock> normally when metapackages are removed their dependencies are left
[16:45] <LaserJock> so you can remove ubuntu-desktop for instance without having *everything* autoremoved
[16:45] <LaserJock> but for our edubuntu-addon-* metapackages we do want to remove the dependencies
[16:48] <sbalneav> Makes sense
[16:48] <LaserJock> so we're perhaps going to add a flag that g-a-i will use to say "heah, please remove the deps when I remove this metapackage"
[16:49] <LaserJock> so I just add that flag to the .desktop files and we should be set, hopefully
[16:55] <LaserJock> sbalneav: anybody show up for some LTSP bug action?
[18:32] <Lns> " Nick Kendall (Mailbox has been deleted. Try re-entering the address.) " Still happening on list edubuntu-user
[18:33] <sbalneav> I sent an email off the the list admin a couple of days ago, haven't heard back.
[18:33] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Nope, not so far.  I'm just persuing some bugs I know are there.
[18:33] <Lns> sbalneav: ah ok
[18:34] <sbalneav> To be perfectly honest, I'm kinda disappointed.
[18:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I know what you mean
[18:36] <sbalneav> Ah, well.  I long ago gave up working on free software because I sought the accolades of my users :)
[18:36] <sbalneav> I do it purely for my own enjoyment.
[18:36] <sbalneav> However, if end user don't want to step up and help in the process, the results are: I scratch all my own itches, instead of theirs :)
[18:48] <GJ> Help! New to Edubuntu. Just upgraded to 8.04. Edubuntu-server could not be installed due to a dependency problem. What do I do?
[19:06] <LaserJock> GJ: can you give the dependency problem?
[19:07] <GJ> How do I discover what the dependency is?
[19:09] <sbalneav> GJ: How are you installing it?
[19:13] <GJ> I apologize for my ignorance. I just inherited this server administration job a couple days ago. On the edubuntu server I noticed a button that said there were hundreds of updates available. When I clicked on it, the first thing at the top was for ubuntu8.04 upgrade, I think. I selected that and the rest is history. The upgrade was going along fine until it got to moodle configuration.
[19:14] <GJ> I couldn't answer the configuration questions for moodle so I skipped that. Then the installation of edubuntu-server failed.
[19:15] <sbalneav> Well, the moodle's probably thing blocking the upgrade
[19:15] <sbalneav> So, could you go to applications->accessories->terminal
[19:15] <sbalneav> Should get a command line prompt
[19:16] <GJ> Yes I have the command line prompt
[19:17] <sbalneav> ok, lets enter: sudo apt-get update
[19:17] <GJ> done
[19:17] <sbalneav> Any errors?
[19:18] <GJ> Sorry. Still downloading stuff
[19:19] <sbalneav> Let me know if there's any errors
[19:19] <GJ> The satellite connection is very slow at this time of the day.
[19:20] <GJ> Finished. no errors
[19:20] <Nubae> check to see if moodle requires some intervention on the web side too
[19:20] <Nubae> database upgrade maybe
[19:21] <GJ> I think moodle is OK. I'm really just wondering how I get edubuntu-server to install.
[19:21] <sbalneav> GJ: OK, lets do an apt-get upgrade
[19:21] <sbalneav> sorry
[19:22] <sbalneav> sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:22] <GJ> What will that upgrade? If it involves downloading anything more than a few megabytes I'll be here all day.
[19:23] <HedgeMage> GJ:  you have my sympathy -- I just got to ditch my satellite for a wired connection last week!
[19:24] <GJ> That's why I'm trying to convince the owner of this server to let me plug it into the DSL router.
[19:24] <sbalneav> GJ: That will upgrade the system, and hopefully resolve any dependency issues you're having.
[19:25] <HedgeMage> GJ:  did you know that you can order a CD or DVD with 99% of the packages you need and have it shipped to you?  Or, you could download the image and burn a disc elsewhere
[19:25] <HedgeMage> GJ:  Oh, my!  Why use satellite if DSL is available?  And, why run a server via satellite at all?
[19:26] <GJ> That is not my decision. I am trying to convince the owner to ditch the satellite. Resistant for some reason, however.
[19:27] <HedgeMage> good luck!
[19:27] <GJ> The upgrade command says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, and 2 not upgraded (ltsp-server, tftpd-hpa)
[19:30] <GJ> What command should I run to install edubuntu-server?
[19:30] <sbalneav> ok, so do an apt-get install ltsp-server tftp-hpa
[19:30] <sbalneav> Do you have any thin clients there?
[19:31] <GJ> Yes
[19:33] <sbalneav> ok, well, upgrading ltsp-server's going to end up with you having to rebuild the client images
[19:33] <sbalneav> Downloads of about 250 megs of stuff for that.
[19:34] <sbalneav> Or, if you have a cdrom of Hardy, you could install from that.
[19:35] <GJ> OK, did the apt-get install. Results: 1 upgraded (ltsp-server), 2 newly installed (openbsd-inetd, tftp-hpa), 1 removed (netkit-inetd), and 1 not upgraded)
[19:36] <sbalneav> ok, try doing the apt-get install edubuntu-server
[19:40] <GJ> Did that. Result: edubuntu-server already newest version so it was not upgraded.
[19:44] <GJ> Now assuming that edubuntu-server is good, you say I have to download the client image. How do I do that?
[19:45] <sbalneav> Well, you'd build it with the ltsp-build-client command.  But first...
[19:45] <sbalneav> I'd back up everything in /opt, and /var/lib/tftboot
[19:47] <GJ> Treat me as a newbie. I haven't worked with linux for the last four or five years. Suggest how to do the backup.
[19:48] <sbalneav> Well, does this server have regular nightly backups?
[19:48] <sbalneav> tape backup or the like that you can restore from?
[19:50] <Goosemoose> anyone figure out how to put icons on ALL user desktops?
[19:50] <GJ> We are talking about a server in a private school here. The school basically has no money. There is definitely NO backup system.
[19:52] <sbalneav> Goosemoose: New users, or existing users?
[19:52] <Goosemoose> well new to the machine. the ubuntu machine actually authenticates users against the AD domain
[19:53] <sbalneav> GJ: Is this machine currently being used in the classroom?
[19:54] <GJ> Yes, it is the classroom server. Would it be possible to backup on a CD-RW?
[19:55] <sbalneav> Depends on how much data there is.  What does the output of df -k give.  And, is it in use *right now*, i.e. are students logged into it as we speak.
[19:57] <GJ> The df command gives a lot of info. What do you need? No one is logged in on any of the thin clients.
[20:00] <sbalneav> How much time until they are?  On a really fast connection, it'll take at least 30 minutes to rebuild the image, and if you've got a slower connection, it could take hours.  Students will be unable to log in until it's done.  I'd recommend grabbing a USB hard drive from somewhere, doing a system backup (you've already upgraded, and that's an irreversible process now, as you didn't have a backup before) but I'd be reluctant to step 
[20:03] <GJ> It appears that the hard drive has just under 9GB in use. There is nothing around here that will hold that much. I could go home and get my USB hard drive, but I hate to lose my own computer's backup.
[20:05] <GJ> I have as much time as needed to get the clients going again. The students won't be using this room until next week.
[20:05] <HedgeMage> GJ:  If you are in the US I could burn most of what you need to CD or DVD and mail it to you.
[20:07] <sbalneav> GJ: It's your call.  I can get you going on the process.  I have to leave in a few hours, so if it doesn't get resolved before then, you'll either have to wait until I'm on again, or try to get help from someone else.
[20:07] <sbalneav> I'd (at a bare minimum) do the following:
[20:07] <sbalneav> sudo mkdir /backup
[20:08] <GJ> I should be able to download anything I need on my laptop (WinXP) and burn the CD/DVD myself shouldn't I? After all, my laptop is connected via a fast DSL connection. Where would I download the needed client files?
[20:08] <HedgeMage> GJ:  sure, that will work
[20:08] <sbalneav> sudo tar czvf /backup/ltsp-backup.tgz /opt/ltsp
[20:08] <sbalneav> sudo tar czvf /backup/tftpbackup.tgz /var/lib/tftpboot
[20:09] <sbalneav> You'd need an ISO image of the distro.
[20:11] <GJ> That's the client distro?
[20:11] <sbalneav> Well, You've upgraded to Hardy, and building the client image is done from the same distro as the server.
[20:12] <sbalneav> Since you upgraded to 8.04, which is hardy, that's the cd image you'll want.
[20:13] <GJ> Oh. So once I've done the backup you suggested above and downloaded the edubuntu distro, I have to create the client image. Right?
[20:15] <GJ> Or do I have to download the whole Ubuntu 8.04 distro again?
[20:17] <sbalneav> If you download the distro's ISO, we can create the image from that.
[20:18] <GJ> I can do that on my laptop through my DSL connection fairly rapidly, I guess. Where can I find the ISO image?
[20:19] <GJ> At edubuntu.org???
[20:22] <sbalneav> An ubuntu image will do you fine.
[20:23] <LaserJock> sbalneav: have you seen http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download ?
[20:23] <sbalneav> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[20:23] <LaserJock> they've got a little downloader thingy like Ubuntu has
[20:24] <LaserJock> the Ubuntu webmaster offered to have that for Edubuntu too
[20:27] <GJ> The server says it used Intel Xeon processor. Should I just assume it is NOT an 64 bit processor?
[20:28] <LaserJock> GJ: if you run: uname -a in a terminal it can help you figure out
[20:28] <LaserJock> GJ: if at the end it says x86_64 GNU/Linux your running 64 bit
[20:29] <GJ> Says i686 GNU/Linux. So guess it's not 64 bit
[20:29] <LaserJock> nope
[20:31] <GJ> Thanks to all who have helped, esp. sbalneav! I could not have got this far without your help. I will try to figure out how to rebuild the client just as soon as I have that ISO image in hand. I may be back at a later date!
[20:33] <GJ> Oh, one more question. It's the server install image that I need rather than the desktop image right?
[20:36] <GJ> And one more! I see an alternate install CD referred to which says it's for systems with less than 384 MB of RAM. Although the server has 2 GB of RAM the thin clients have only 64 MB of RAM. Does that affect which install image I should download?
[20:38] <sbalneav> GJ: Safest bet would be the desktop cd
[20:39] <GJ> Thanks!
[21:01] <LaserJock> sbalneav: oh wait, GJ needed the Alternate disk
[21:02] <LaserJock> sbalneav: the Desktop CD doesn't have really much of any .debs on it
[21:06] <sbalneav> ah, right
[21:45] <Goosemoose> anyone have their students home dir pointing to a windows share?
[22:02] <sbalneav> Goosemoose: Nope.  Problems?
[22:03] <Goosemoose> lol, yeah can't get it to work
[22:03] <Goosemoose> im trying to work off the pam_mount.conf.xml file rightn ow
[22:03] <Goosemoose> now
[22:03] <Goosemoose> login via likewise-open is working fine
[22:03] <Goosemoose> but im trying to make some of the users directories