[00:35] heya NCommander [00:36] how goes things ScottK-laptop? [00:37] Googling Sea Monkey's with my 5 year old. [00:37] Is it bad that I thought of Mozilla SeaMonkey before the animal? [00:38] No, I have trouble with that too. [00:45] ScottK-laptop: good, at least it just isn't me [00:50] apachelogger: what do you make of bug 270989? [00:50] Launchpad bug 270989 in kdebase-kde4 "cannot configure file association for text / html / Embedding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270989 [01:18] hi, I want to test intrepid alpha 5 or the daily cd, but I would like to know the opinions of the people who already has tested or already are using it. According to what I have read, the most unstable part is the kernel. What do you think? [01:27] it's mostly there. Nothing that would stop you from using it to help iron things out [01:28] I run it as my main OS and have since Alpha3 [01:28] of course, I have a pure Intel chipset and video. best support [01:33] rgreening: I have also pure intel, I will download the daily i think, thank you for your answer. [01:33] np [01:34] you may have to blacklist iTCO_wdt (I did). [01:34] ok, thanks, i will search for it :) [01:35] sudo echo "blacklist iTCO_wdt" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-watchdog [01:35] :) [01:40] hmm, i have it: lsmod | grep iTCO_wdt [01:40] iTCO_wdt 13092 0 [01:40] iTCO_vendor_support 4868 1 iTCO_wdt [01:41] I had periodic hangs on reboot with that mod [01:41] so have others. If you do not have any watchdog program installed, it shouldn't be used (i.e. blacklist it) [01:41] it that a known bug? [01:41] yeah. there are a cpouple open on it [01:42] it's supposed to be in the blacklist (I believe by default it should) [01:42] anyway, that fixes it [01:45] hmm, I am planing to download the daily cd, but there is only alternative. Is there a difference on the installed system between the desktop and the alternate? [01:46] Riddell: For solving kdesdk installabiility, cvsservice needs promoted to Main. I pinged slangasek with the same information already. [01:46] KDesk: Not after it's installed, no. [01:47] ScottK-laptop: ah, ok, thanks. I will then download the alternate daily. [01:47] KDesk: If you're running Hardy now, you could also just upgrade that directly and then we get an upgrade test too. [01:48] ScottK-laptop: that's a good idea :) [01:57] ScottK-laptop: Upgrading from hardy like you said is safe like the the clean installation? [01:58] KDesk: You are upgrading to a development release. It is not 'safe'. [01:58] and witch command should I use? or only change the hardy with intrepid in the sources.list? [01:58] KDesk: In general it's hard to say. There are installation issues and upgrade issue. [01:59] KDesk: It's probably more risky at this point to upgrade, but we are also more in need of people to try it and file bugs. [01:59] KDesk: If you do the upgrade, you should be able to open a Konsole shell and do: sudo do-release-upgrade -d [01:59] I think it's -d [02:00] ScottK-laptop: I will test intrepid, but witch way would you recommend me, upgrade or clean installation? [02:00] ok, i will see how it goes with the upgrade :) [02:00] thanks! [02:01] KDesk: If you upgrade your odds of having some trouble is higher I would guess, but if you do a clean install you chances of end up with a dead system are higher. [02:01] That's just my guess though. [02:03] ScottK-laptop: hmm, I will better do a clean install, if the upgrade doesn't work I will have no OS to use :( But with the clean install in another partition sharing the home I think it will be better for me :) [02:04] Makes sense. [02:04] However .. [02:04] In Hardy .kde is kde3 and in Intrepid .kde is .kde4 [02:05] In Hardy KDE4 prefs are in .kde4. [02:05] KDesk: I think sharing /home between hardy and intrepid may not be exactly what you want. [02:08] ScottK-laptop: oh, that's right, the settings, but i won't be much problem. And I will erase some of the configs that are in .kde and the ones that are not in .kde4 and will se what happends. :) Thank you for your help! [02:08] Intrepid uses .kde [02:23] jtechidna: Hi ! :) [02:23] hi === bobesponjaja is now known as bobesponja [05:18] Any clue why we ship khelpcenter4 with kdebase-runtime and don't just call it khelpcenter? [05:18] The old khelpcenter is NBS right now. [05:58] i want to suggest a better icon for kubuntu intrepid's QuickAccess plasmoid. [05:58] it is in the Status category, called folder-open [05:58] Icon Source -> Status -> folder-open [05:58] trolltech must be very rich -- it can hire so good artists... [05:59] yao_ziyuan1: might want to file a wishlist bug for jaunty, then. [05:59] but i also heard that features have been frozen [05:59] correct. [06:00] are westerners so dead to rules? [06:00] the rules are there for a good reason - like so people who are writing books actually get accurate pictures of waht the release looks like. [06:01] but your attack on westerners is appreciated, thanks. [06:16] yes books - i think the difference between a free ubuntu cd and a paid one is that the latter is with a book... [06:17] It's good the logs are posted online, elzse this might get ugly :) [11:12] ooh, new build notification [11:24] hey emonkey [11:25] ola OculusAquilae! nice to see you! [11:38] Riddell: I just noticed that we have a kubuntu-kde4 seed for Intrepid. That can be removed, can't it? [11:40] yes [11:40] or set to hidden [11:40] bzr branches can't be removed as far as I know [11:53] Made empty at the very least. [11:55] that would rather defeat the point of a revision control system [11:57] I suppose. I guess as long as it doesn't get branched into jaunty. [12:45] Riddell: ping [12:48] Looks like Jockey is crashing on startup [12:49] ouch, bad one [12:49] how is the horse? [12:51] * davmor2 too busy for fun so slap knome ;) [12:56] davmor2: hmm, ok [12:57] Jockey seems to work for me === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [12:57] davmor2: got a backtrace? [12:57] Riddell: I got and apport report from it so I'm just inputting the info [12:59] Riddell: bug 271317 [12:59] Bug 271317 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/271317 is private [13:00] Riddell: there's a backtrace on it :) [13:00] davmor2: Can you unprivate it? [13:01] I can't even see it, and I can see private bugs [13:01] ScottK-laptop: Should be changed now sorry [13:01] I didn't clock it :) [13:02] ImportError: No module named kurllabel [13:02] hi are there here to people who got upgrade problems in 8.10 [13:02] davmor2: do you have python-kde4 installed? [13:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/47752/ is the traceback. [13:02] * davmor2 checks [13:02] Riddell: python-kde4 is a dep of the latest jockey-kde packaging [13:03] wesley_: If you need help with 8.10, see #kubuntu-kde4 or #ubuntu+1 [13:03] this is kubuntu-devel ??? [13:04] Yes. This channel is about doing the development, not helping people using the development release. [13:04] Riddell: Yes [13:07] Right Dinner need me to check anything else before I go? [13:08] * davmor2 takes the silence as a resounding No === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_dinner [13:34] Riddell: I see why you are having issues with qtjambi. It's include header hell... [13:34] heh [13:44] rgreening: how far did you geet? [13:45] hmmm... it completeted all the generator part... [13:46] then when it started to make it failed part way with redefined size_t, etc... [13:46] I was trying to figure out where the header/includes were broken (my end or the package) [13:46] I believe it's actually Qt headers, but can't be 100% sure [13:46] how about you? [13:47] I'm going to take another stab today... any info you can pass along would be helpful [13:48] BTW, I completed the scim project (in case you missed it). ScottK was kind enough to push up along for me [13:48] 2 out of 3 ain't bad so far. [13:48] ha [13:49] NCommander: Got your hppa access yet? [13:49] haven't checked my mail yet [13:50] NCommander: This one I think can just be retried, right: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17425639/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-hppa.perl_5.10.0-11.1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [13:52] ScottK-laptop: yes, but it still might flop again [13:52] Yeah. hppa flopping seems like a good bet these days. [13:54] ScottK-laptop: someone needs to attack the backports queue, people are wondering what the holdup is it seems [13:58] JontheEchidna, how is your nick pronounced? [13:58] uh [13:59] Jon [13:59] the [13:59] then I guess you could look up echidna in a dictionary or something [13:59] mm-hm === davmor2_dinner is now known as davmor2 [13:59] or better yet, use the dictionary plasmoid, \o/ [13:59] * knome doesn't use kde [14:00] * knome hides [14:00] JontheEchidna: I think its like E-kid-na [14:00] That's how I usually hear it pronouced [14:00] yeah [14:00] I just didn't know how to explain it [14:01] yah [14:21] Riddell: 20080917.4 Are you just doing a dj impression with your re-spins ;) [14:46] Riddell: I think my compile issue is in correct setting for JAVA_HOME. I set it to /usr, but this is not 100% correct for the build. I think ... thoughts? [14:57] Riddell: trying with JAVA_HOME set to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk (crossing fingers) [15:13] davmor2: no idea, not my doing [15:13] :) [15:55] Riddell: there? I almost got it compiling correctly. Just need a small bit of assistance [16:00] hi rgreening [16:00] I'm testing CDs so not here all the time [16:01] Riddell: are the 20080917.4 cd's okay for testing now then? [16:01] davmor2: they work for me :) [16:01] Riddell: ok, so QTDIR points to /usr/share/qt4... correect? however in that dir there's no symlink to lib (/usr/lib) where the QtCore.so exists [16:01] cool updating now :) [16:01] rgreening: right, that rings a bell, you can add that on your local system if that's what it takes [16:02] Riddell: then I get java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/share/qt4/lib/libQtCore.so.4 (No such file or directory) in the build from build.xml [16:02] so, should it exist in the qt package (for completeness) anyway? [16:02] no but if we need to add it we can [16:03] It probably should for others to be able to properly build from source. [16:04] Riddell: I'll manually add for now. But we can bump/patch the qt package to add in the lib right [16:04] rgreening: yes if that's necessary [16:05] for source build it appears so. unless you have another suggestion [16:06] if that's the only problem I'll be surprised [16:06] lol. I'll make a note in my steps. come back to it later. [16:06] ok, back to compiling [16:33] Riddell: cd /usr/share/qt4; mkdir lib; cd lib; for i in `dpkg -L libqt4-dev | grep "/usr/lib/lib" | grep ".so$"`; do ln -s $i.?; done [16:34] Riddell: haha... quick temp fix to build it without patching libqt4-dev package [16:37] BUILD SUCCESSFUL [16:37] Total time: 3 minutes 6 seconds [16:37] whee... [16:38] d? [16:38] -h? [16:42] rgreening: seriously? that's it? [16:43] well, it builds now. Though I need to add in some libraries for phonon and webkit. But the basics build... not sure what to do from here [16:45] rgreening: do you end up with a .jar? [16:45] yeah [16:45] is there an example programme you can try and run? [16:45] yeah. do I run java .jar? [16:46] no, the jar needs to go whatever .jars go [16:46] and the programme will be a .java that needs compiled with javac [16:47] hmm [16:47] It created 5 jars.. [16:48] what are they called? [16:48] 1 sec [16:49] ant-qtjambi.jar qtjambi-designer-4.4.0_01.jar qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar [16:49] qtjambi-4.4.0_01.jar qtjambi-examples-4.4.0_01.jar [16:49] hmm [16:50] I think I need to ant build the demo .xml [16:50] 1 sec [16:51] running ant -f build_generator_example.xml see if that's itr [16:53] I'm soon going to be having nightmares of ants swimming in coffee cups [16:55] ok, this is what i hate about kde: [16:56] i want to install krec on my xubuntu machine -> install 77megs of files [16:56] "yay" [16:56] Packages are spelled with a K as in Knome? [16:56] :P [16:58] Riddell: well, that didn't help. It just build another jar (qtjambi-generator-example-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar) [16:58] rgreening: there's probably some way to run that then [16:59] lol... prob. still lookin [16:59] /usr/share/java seems to be the place for .jar files [17:00] so try putting them in there then java -jar qtjambi-generator-example-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar [17:03] java -cp qtjambi-4.4.0_01.jar:qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.0_01.jar:qtjambi-examples-4.4.0_01.jar com.trolltech.launcher.Launcher [17:03] it was in the install.html [17:04] Runs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 [17:04] * rgreening does a happy dance around the room [17:05] goodness [17:05] well done rgreening [17:05] So, now we need to package it up [17:06] rgreening: didn't you say you had phonon and webkit to fiddle with first? [17:06] I also need to add in the correct lib for phonon and opengl... [17:06] webkit was built. was opengl [17:06] right [17:06] so, only those two to figure out the deps [17:06] opengl probably needs libqt4-opengl-dev installed [17:06] beside that though, how do I go about packaging this up for deb [17:07] I'll test the opengl with that [17:07] phonon will need libphonon-dev but it may also need symlinks playing with since we have it in /usr/lib/kde4/plugins or something and it wants /usr/lib/qt4/plugins or something [17:08] k. will check that also [17:08] for packaging download the existing one, copy over the debian directory and update debian/rules [17:08] hmmm.... already had libqt4-opengl-dev [17:09] debian/rules is a makefile, it's full of the usual ugly mix of Make and Bash that you find in makefiles as well as debian specific dh_ commands [17:09] ah... it's one of those missing symlinks... [17:09] qtjambi uses ant and a build.xml [17:11] before it used qmake and its own generator, look at the existing debian/rules and replace the old build-stamp bits [17:14] hmmm... this may be a bit over my expertise. I'll give it a go :) [17:15] rgreening: it's totally diving in at the deep end of packaging, don't spend too long on it if you get stuck, the important thing is we have the instructions for compiling it somewhere [17:15] the steps are export some env vars. then run ant -f build.xml and ant -f build_generator_example.xml. Then it's just install/cp the jars to the correct location I assume. [17:16] Can I e-mail them somewhere? [17:16] or open a bug? [17:17] bug would work, report a wishlist on qtjambi [17:17] "package new version" [17:17] kk. I'll do that after I get the opengl and phonon bits. [17:18] How do I tell which packages (-dev) that it actually required? I used the build-dep from the old qtjambi-4.3.1. I guess I could remove them all and manually add till it builds again :0 [17:18] thanks [17:19] that's about the only reliable way [17:19] I expect it still needs the same ones though [17:19] kk. will do that then. probably. [17:19] ok, so once this is done, I'll need my next project :) [17:20] I'm very task oriented as you can see [17:20] lol [17:27] Riddell: added proper symlinks to /usr/share/qt4 for libphonon-dev and libqt4-opengl-dev and libqt4-dev and the qtjambi ant build.xml picks up everything now. rebuilding from scratch to test. [20:12] everyone test alpha 6 candidates! [20:13] * Arby rsyncs [20:13] I'm testing, I'm testing [20:15] I've been running through some upgrade tests recently [20:15] did they work? [20:15] has anyone come across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/270636 recently [20:15] not really no [20:15] Launchpad bug 270636 in xorg "Kubuntu hardy-kde4 -> intrepid upgrade test X server fails to start after upgrade" [Undecided,New] [20:15] kde3 failed due to problems with landscape [20:15] now fixed I believe [20:16] or in progress [20:16] oh that should be fixed this afternoon [20:16] (by removing it from the seed) [20:16] hardy-kde4 failed with that ^^ [20:16] I also tried kde4 with members ppa enabled [20:16] it fails with a similar error, I was just about to file the bug [20:17] lanscape issue? [20:17] no the bug I linked [20:18] on my to do list is kde4 with adept3, see how it plays with update-manager [20:18] using virtualbox I thought there were issues with that anyway? [20:18] davmor2: I understood that it had been fixed [20:18] ah right :) [20:18] the problem was the intrepid kernel not booting in Virtualbox [20:19] the VMs boot now [20:19] the kde3 install actually worked fine apart from landscape being broken [20:20] Riddell: any other upgrade cases you'd like to see run through? [20:20] dunno, I plan to do upgrade testing myself tomorrow [20:21] except my ISP is being smelly so I don't know how far I'll get, may need to borrow from someone else [20:21] I have a similar problem with iso testing :) [20:21] my pipe can barely keep up with the respins [20:22] especially when we near release [20:42] hmm, live fails after the language step for me [20:43] Riddell: boots fine for me [20:43] Arby: ubiquity I mean [20:43] Riddell: I'll check it after [20:43] ah, I'm running live session, my bad [20:44] adept is missing it's icons in the menu [20:44] that's known [20:44] fix committed [20:44] ok [20:44] cool :) [20:46] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271467 [20:46] Launchpad bug 271467 in ubiquity "freeze on kubuntu install" [Undecided,New] [20:54] Riddell: ubiquity fails to even start from the live session [20:54] wibblwe [20:55] just testing from the cd menu [20:55] if it fails here as well I'll confirm the bug [21:00] hmm, seems to have stopped at keyboard layout for me [21:00] Arby: Riddell: are you both test i386? [21:00] runs the scanning disks progress bar then stops [21:00] davmor2: yes [21:01] lack of 64 bit hardware [21:01] davmor2: i am on amd alternate now [21:01] I'll try 64bit and see if it happens there then :) [21:02] Riddell: how did you generate the ubiquity back trace? [21:02] I can confirm that bug I think [21:02] try apport-cli ubiquty [21:02] ok [21:03] only add an extra i [21:04] davmor2, do you want to buy a vowel? [21:05] knome: I'm tired leave me alone :P [21:05] haha :) [21:08] Arby: any good? [21:08] davmor2: don't know yet, world's slwest vm boot [21:08] *slowest [21:10] arby /var/log/installer/debug [21:10] ah ha [21:10] thanks [21:12] Arby: 0917.4 i386 CDROM installed fine a Latitude D830. Problem started after reboot ;) [21:12] confirmed the bug on 64bit [21:13] stops a keyboard layout [21:13] allee: errm ok, which problem? [21:14] Arby: language not completly install -> 'dead' dialog after installing pkgs [21:14] ^^ lanuage was 'de' [21:15] Arby: later a 'python 2.5' crash [21:15] I don't recognise that, got a bug number? [21:15] sorry I'm a little confused [21:15] not unusual :) [21:16] :) [21:19] * Arby starts on the alternate cd, entire disk first [21:21] davmor2: is it just a mistake that the iso tracker still says testing for alpha5? [21:21] yes [21:22] ok, wasn't sure whether to enter results or not :) [21:22] result dates are correct it's only the description that's off [21:26] a know bug? qt-language-selector --mode select -> type error: decoding unicode not supported [21:33] allee: bug 103374 [21:33] Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/103374/+text) [21:34] actually several reports exist [21:34] jtechidna: thx for the info! [21:35] you're welcome [21:35] * jtechidna marks some dupes [21:36] * goatsocks is a dupe [21:47] helloe [21:47] hellow [21:47] i need the sources of intrepid ibex kubuntu [21:47] please [21:47] source for which program? [21:50] sources.list [21:50] :P [21:50] ah, that type of source :P [21:51] jaja, i'am spanish and my english is bad [21:52] Tu puedes tener mio sources.list [21:52] ScottK-laptop: I live [21:52] sito: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47893/ [21:52] #thanksssssssss jtechidna you are the best! [21:52] :D [21:53] sito: in case you want to update to intrepid, please don't update only sources.list. There's an update manager or something like that [21:54] ok, allee i stay in intrepid ibex now [21:55] but i deleted de sources.list -> error [21:56] NCommander: would you please do a test build of wireshark and tell me if you end up going WTF at the end? [21:57] ScottK-laptop: why would I? [21:58] NCommander: The story ends like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47895/ [21:59] ScottK: thanks, now my eyes bleed [22:02] NCommander: So if you would add that one to your list. Wireshark has a sufficiently consistent security reputation that I'm certain we don't want to release with one that can't be rebuilt after patching. [22:03] ScottK-laptop: its at the top of my list now ;-) [22:04] Excellent [22:27] * arby_ waves from alpha6 testing land [22:28] well that works anyway [22:29] hmm starting amarok results in 'xine cannot initialise any audio drivers' [22:29] anybody else seen this? [22:29] this laptop has always had dodgy sound so it could be me, or the fact it's a vm, or both [22:30] working here [22:30] must be my lappy then [22:30] on fresh alpha candidate install [22:30] I'll ignore that [22:32] 'Update Information: Incomplete language support' [22:32] that's a new one [22:33] that's a good thing, it's supposed to happen [22:33] ok [22:33] assuming you do have incomplete language support in some language [22:33] well I only chose english [22:34] and it won't let me choose english in the language installer [22:34] Arby: which vm you using? [22:34] virtualbox [22:34] with brand new alpha6 [22:34] hmmmm === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidan === JontheEchidan is now known as JontheEchidna [22:34] I may have to look for a new virtualisation program [22:35] VB has been trouble recently [22:35] look under devices you'll soon see if the sound module is enabled [22:36] that would explain that then :) [22:36] Arby: It just got updated to 2.0.2 today, so it may change yet. [22:36] does alpha 6 boot on virtualbox now? [22:36] ScottK-laptop: thanks, that would be great [22:36] goatsocks: yes [22:36] excellent [23:15] Riddell: when LP comes back, I have the wireshark fix [23:16] I'm about to go to bed [23:32] NCommander: I have some other wireshark changes too. Would you please mail me your debdiff and I'll integrate it with the others. [23:38] ScottK: Its simply a change to rules [23:38] NCommander: Pastebin works too then. [23:38] Comment out line 42 [23:38] Er [23:38] the cp line [23:39] Oh [23:39] Ok [23:39] You mean 39? [23:39] yeah [23:39] I added a comment explaining why [23:40] I know that 42 is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question about Life, the Universe, and Everything, but .... [23:40] NCommander: OK. Pastebin then please so I can get your comment. [23:41] ScottK-laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47904/ [23:41] * ScottK-laptop runs off to do more schleping of kids around town. [23:41] Thanks. [23:41] and, see, more verbose changelogs messages :-P [23:42] Yep. Great. I thought that one was good. [23:42] See you later. [23:43] hum? [23:43] why not "-cp /usr/share/misc/config.guess /usr/share/misc/config.sub ." ? [23:46] crimsun: autogen.sh does that [23:46] No reason to do it twice [23:46] NCommander: right. In that case, it really would make more sense to just remove it instead of commenting it, no? [23:48] crimsun: if its removed, it might get readded on a merge, and then possibly break the build again. By commenting out and leaving the comment, its clear why that change was made [23:49] NCommander: shrug, I would have documented it in the changelog, but you're the one making the change. [23:49]