[09:01] <seb128> hello mvo
[09:01] <mvo> hey seb128
[10:03] <leenuks> Hello everyone
[10:03] <seb128> hi leenuks
[10:03] <leenuks> Can someone direct me to where i can change my panel bar auto hide speed. they are too slow and not snappy enough.
[10:04] <leenuks> ive opened the configuration manager but as yet havent found the setting
[10:04] <seb128> leenuks: gconf-editor
[10:04] <seb128> search for animation_speed
[10:05] <seb128> change this one to fast and the delays to lower values too
[10:05] <seb128> you can disable animations too
[10:05] <seb128> that should make things smoother
[10:09] <leenuks> turning animations off in ccsm does nothing
[10:09] <leenuks> as for animation_speed a search with find in gconf editor gives nothing
[10:09] <seb128> did you select the option to search in key names?
[10:10] <leenuks> there we go.. that found it.. hehe
[10:11] <leenuks> thanks btw
[10:13] <leenuks> 20
[10:13] <leenuks> oops wrong keyboard
[10:15] <leenuks> doesnt matter what i set it to the panel speed stays the same.
[10:16] <leenuks> should i restart GDM
[10:16] <leenuks> nah that did nothing as well
[10:17] <seb128> dunno then
[10:17] <seb128> vuntz might know
[10:18] <leenuks> *pokes vuntz* oi
[10:18] <leenuks> lol
[10:26] <vuntz> lalala
[10:27] <leenuks> oh hi vuntz
[10:27] <vuntz> leenuks: is the animation slow or the time before the animation starts too long?
[10:27] <leenuks> it takes 2 seconds to show and changing the speed from 500 to 20 does nothing
[10:28] <vuntz> which speed?
[10:28] <vuntz> and 2 seconds sound awfully anormal
[10:28] <leenuks> also if i turn off visual effects and set them to none it does the same thing so i dont think its compiz
[10:28] <leenuks> i want it to snap up not slowly slide up
[10:28] <vuntz> leenuks: what did you change?
[10:29] <leenuks> just a sec. i just restarted gdm
[10:29] <vuntz> leenuks: /apps/panel/toplevels/bottom_panel_screen0/hide_delay and unhide_delay is what you want
[10:29] <vuntz> (where you replace bottom_panel_screen0 with something else)
[10:30] <leenuks> i changed /apps/panel/global/panel_animation_speed
[10:31] <leenuks> there we go the one you suggested worked a charm. thanks bud
[10:31] <leenuks> instand pop up
[10:32] <leenuks> one more setting for the notebook
[10:53] <fta> seb128, would you mind have a look at http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/debdiff/fontconfig_2.6.0-1ubuntu3--2.6.0-1ubuntu4.debdiff ?
[10:59] <seb128> fta: looks good, some people already changed the makefiles directly in the diff.gz which is a bit ugly though
[11:00] <fta> yep, i agree. i wanted the change to be minimal so it did it that way. i should be cleaned-up at some point
[11:00] <fta> -i+it
[11:03] <seb128> the diff looks good to me, can you attach it to the bug and subscribe the sponsor team?
[11:03] <fta> sure
[11:06] <fta> seb128, done
[11:28] <seb128> mvo: bug #271147, what do you ask for such issues?
[11:29] <mvo> seb128: that is one of the anyoing ones, 139 is a segfault I think (128+11) - I usually ask for files in ls -l /var/crash in the hope to find the crashed thing
[11:30] <mvo> seb128: but it looks reproducable for him (a lot of those crashes)
[11:30] <mvo> seb128: so we could ask for "sudo sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/desktbar-applet.postinst configure"
[11:30] <seb128> mvo: do you want to do it or should I add a comment?
[11:31] <mvo> seb128: I can take it
[11:31] <seb128> mvo: thanks
[11:33] <mvo> seb128: its either scrollkeeper-update or update-icon-caches that fail I think, the postrm is pretty short
[11:33]  * mvo suspects scrollkeeper
[11:37] <seb128> mvo: would not be the first time ;-)
[11:37] <mvo> heh :)
[11:39] <seb128> mvo: would it be possible to somewhat detect what crashed during the upgrade time to provide extra informations in such bugs?
[11:39] <seb128> mvo: usually when a software crashes there is a message on stdout or strerr, is apt filtering those out?
[11:41] <mvo> apt should not filter them out, it should print exactly what the users sees on his terminal into the log (this is why there is this whole crazy pty code in dpkgpm.cc now)
[11:42] <mvo> extra information> good point, I can check if it is possible to detect that can scan /var/crash or something
[12:27] <pochu> hi all
[14:30] <MacSlow> does a "apt-get upgrade" imply a configure of previously unfinished package-installs?
[14:37] <tedg> MacSlow: I'm not sure, but usually if I keep tying "apt" and "dpkg" eventually it usually tells me the command I need to type :)
[14:38] <mvo> MacSlow: please try sudo apt-get install -f
[14:39] <tedg> mvo: I think that my way is less to remember long term ;)
[14:39] <MacSlow> tedg, mvo: ok
[14:40] <mvo> MacSlow: out of curiosity, what happend?
[14:41] <MacSlow> mvo, nothing on my systems
[14:48] <MacSlow> mvo, a girl-friend just did a panic-called ... she interrupted an automatic update *cough*
[14:49] <mvo> MacSlow: aha, ok. if it is hardy, then update-manager should be able to recover, she may want to try that first
[14:49] <mvo> (all with UI etc)
[14:49] <andreasn> MacSlow: a girl-friend? one of several? bigamist all of a sudden?
[14:49] <andreasn> :P
[14:50] <MacSlow> mvo, well she told me that everything except fonts seem to work.
[14:50] <MacSlow> mvo, so the system does not seem to be that badly damanged
[14:50] <MacSlow> andreasn, not my girl-friend ... just a girl-friend
[14:51] <andreasn> ah, a friend who is a girl
[14:51] <andreasn> sorry, just couldn't resist :)
[14:52] <mvo> andreasn: "all of a sudden" :P
[14:52] <andreasn> mvo: overnight you know...
[14:53] <mvo> heh :)
[14:54] <andreasn> there is also this tv-series, hm, Big Love from HBO that could have been a source of inspiration
[14:54] <andreasn> anyway, I should stop being silly and get back to work
[14:56] <MacSlow> mvo, xfonts-scalealbe seems to be the only broken package
[14:56] <mvo> excellent, then it should be little damage
[15:06] <MacSlow> outch ... her network is gone *sigh*
[15:19] <mvo> mpt: could you please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/263982 ?
[15:19] <mvo> mpt: what can we do to make it easier to read?
[15:24] <MacSlow> mvo, larger font ;)
[15:27] <andreasn> mvo: you want some way to imply that the support part is less important than the description of the package, right?
[15:27] <mvo> andreasn: yes
[15:28] <andreasn> mvo: if this was a website, I would have made the support text black, but using a smaller font
[15:29] <andreasn> I think we use that in various parts of the desktop as well, where description text is smaller than the regular text
[15:36]  * mvo nods
[15:36] <mvo> I will try that
[15:36] <mvo> and see what it looks like
[15:38] <andreasn> smaller text is of course harder to read than normal-sized text, but it don't look inactive and I guess it reacts to the system font settings (ie. if you have a hard time reading small stuff because you're old or something it's fixable)
[15:39] <Ng> who would be a good person to pester about bug 271305 when main is unfrozen again? the patch is a one-liner that shouldn't afaics be able to break anything at all
[15:41] <seb128> Ng: subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors?
[15:41] <Ng> seb128: oki doki, ta :)
[15:42] <seb128> Ng: and to reply to the question, usually pitti looks after libgphoto updates
[15:43]  * Ng nods, thanks for the pointers :)
[16:55] <Ng> seb128: I think bug 196757 exists in Intrepid too
[16:57] <Ng> I've only tested with one device so far though
[18:03] <seb128> Ng: yes it does, not building the gvfs-gphoto backend was a workaround for hardy
[18:04] <Ng> seb128: should I re-open it or something?
[18:06] <seb128> Ng: no, that's the right bug
[18:06] <seb128> Ng: let me have a look
[18:06] <Ng> ok
[18:06] <Ng> thanks :)
[18:14] <seb128> Ng: ah, found it, bug #258083
[18:14] <Ng> seb128: yeah that sounds right
[18:28] <seb128> tedg: hi
[18:28] <seb128> tedg: are you working on the gnome-screensaver 2.23.90 update?
[18:31] <tedg> seb128: It hasn't come up on the GNOME FTP RSS feed yet.
[18:31] <tedg> seb128: But, I can, I didn't realize it's out.
[18:32] <seb128> tedg: it's available since aug 28, I think you rather missed it
[18:32] <seb128> tedg: I doubt it'll show on the rss now ;-)
[18:32] <seb128> tedg: thanks
[18:32] <tedg> Ah, okay.  That makes more sense :)
[18:47] <mvo> seb128: did you had a chance to test the guest login fix for compiz btw?
[19:39] <seb128> mvo: I didn't upgrade yet today but I'll give it a try and let you know