[11:29] <cjwatson> dear CIA, stop being made out of cheese
[11:54] <TheMuso> heh
[14:03] <davmor2> cjwatson: on netboot mini.iso why is there just a blank screen with boot:  and no info and then the next page displays stuff?#
[14:28] <cjwatson> davmor2: netboot doesn't have gfxboot, so it's the old-style syslinux prompt
[14:28] <cjwatson> iz normal
[14:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: That's cool then it's just the next page looks remarkably like the gfxboot which is what was throwing me :)
[14:30] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, there is some kind of bug there
[14:30] <cjwatson> it's not gfxboot, but it is supposed to proceed directly to that next page
[14:30] <cjwatson> bug on debian-installer please?
[14:30] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's
[14:30] <cjwatson> sorry, had to look at it before I realised what you meant
[14:35] <davmor2> no worries :)
[14:45] <davmor2> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/271355 is that okay for you
[14:47] <cjwatson> that's fine, thanks
[14:47] <davmor2> np's
[14:47] <cjwatson> edited the title slightly
[15:24] <persia> cjwatson: I was tracking down issues with the lpia alternate installer today, and noticed that the platform.intrepid seeds had no mention of lpia at all.  Would adding that be considered too invasive for intrepid, or is it something worth pursuing?  I have a branch, but it doesn't work due to some kernel issues.  Clearly, this would be post-Alpha.
[15:38] <davmor2> cjwatson: no usplash on edubuntu at all :-/
[15:43] <davmor2> cjwatson: just checked edubuntu-artwark-usplash is installed
[15:46] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/271376
[16:07] <cjwatson> persia: should be fine for intrepid; I'm happy to look at a branch
[16:08] <persia> cjwatson: lp:~persia/ubuntu-seeds/platform.intrepid : it waits on resolution of linux-meta for lpia, but that ought be sorted within 24 hours.
[16:09] <persia> Once I get the kernel all sorted, I'll open a branch merge request, if the contents appear acceptable.
[16:16] <davmor2> cjwatson: build on kubuntu 17.3 manifest date still reads differently to the rest :(
[16:16] <davmor2> 17.4 even
[16:16] <cjwatson> "reads differently"?
[16:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: does it still have 17.1's info on the cdimages server?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/intrepid/kubuntu/latest/livecd-20080917.1-i386.out still lists errors on build but is 17.1 not 17.4
[16:39] <bdmurray> I'm testing the alternate installer (entire disk w/ encryption) and was asked if I wanted an encrypted private directory.
[16:40] <bdmurray> Is that redundant at all?
[16:40] <persia> bdmurray: That's for extra encryption :)  It does encryption two different ways, so compromise of the disk PW doesn't compromise the private directory.
[16:40] <persia> (and maybe it's redundant)  kirkland?  ^^
[16:41] <bdmurray> persia: I realize its different but wasn't sure if it made sense.
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: i use both LVM and Encrypted Private
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: here's why.....
[16:41] <kirkland> bdmurray: encrypted LVM happens to the whole disk
[16:41] <bdmurray> because you are paranoid?
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: that too :-)
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: the LVM is encrypted with a single key for the whole system
[16:42] <kirkland> bdmurray: however, with Encrypted Private, each user on the system will have a different key for their encrypted Private dir
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: and furthermore, you can incremently rsync the encrypted data in ~/.Private to offsite storage
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: you can't do that with the underlying encrypted LVM block device
[16:43] <kirkland> bdmurray: does that help?
[16:44] <kirkland> persia: thanks for the alerty
[16:44] <bdmurray> kirkland: yes, it just seemed like a very small group of people that would want that but it *is* the alternate installer
[16:44] <kirkland> bdmurray: alternative lifestyles ;-)
[16:44] <persia> kirkland: No problem.  I thought you'd be the best person to explain it :)
[16:44] <kirkland> persia: cheers
[16:45] <persia> And actually, you can do it with underlying encrypted LVM partitions, but pam_mount is *exceedingly* painful to use as currently implemente.
[16:56] <kirkland> persia: yeah, i grew very, very aggravated with pam_mount
[16:57] <cjwatson> davmor2: I think Riddell is working on that
[16:57] <cjwatson> davmor2: cf. #ubuntu-devel scrollback
[16:57] <persia> kirkland: Indeed.  I like the idea, but the way it works is just frustrating.  I'm very much looking forward to an alternate means of encrypting home directories (and .Private isn't quite enough for me: I'd rather deal with pam_mount)
[16:58] <persia> Anyway: probably off-topic for -installer :)
[16:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: cool :)
[17:05] <cjwatson> persia: that diff looks mostly fine to me. Do you really need gptsync-udeb?
[17:06] <persia> cjwatson: I'm not sure.  Depends on what sort of hardware is implemented using those chips.  To date it's been mostly small stuff, but I'd not be surprised if someone implemented an EFI-based solution.
[17:06] <persia> Also, please don't apply it now: it will break because there is no linux-lpia package.
[17:07] <cjwatson> what will it break? missing items in seeds are generally ignored
[17:07] <persia> Oh.  I thought it would break the image builds.  If missing items are ignored, then it can be merged now.
[17:08] <cjwatson> missing items in *metapackages*, not so much, but there's no metapackage for boot and the seed->metapackage translator checks existence anyway
[17:08] <cjwatson> ok, I'll merge it now then
[17:08] <cjwatson> done
[17:08] <persia> Thank you.
[17:09] <persia> If you have time, I have another couple questions about seeds?  Also, would this be the appropriate forum?
[17:10] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-devel might benefit from the experience
[17:10] <cjwatson> but this is fine if you want more quietude :)
[17:16] <bdmurray> I'm was trying to install the kubuntu alternate iso and it failed due to an unmet dep for landscape-client and landscape-common
[17:17] <bdmurray> it was the 20080917.1 image
[17:17] <cjwatson> known, see #ubuntu-devel; Riddell and slangasek were sorting that out
[17:17] <bdmurray> okay, thanks I'll try the newer one
[17:17] <cjwatson> .2 looks fixed
[21:18] <xivulon> evand can you please check the umenu version on CD?
[21:25] <davmor2> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271467  Bad news guys
[21:25] <davmor2> good news is that oem install worked :)
[21:29] <xivulon> evand we still have the old version (8.04 in the CD) that will fail to recognize the CD, umenu should be rev 32
[21:30] <evand> noted, I'll fix that for the next CD build
[21:32] <xivulon> I'll assign 271467 to you then
[21:33] <xivulon> hem 258045
[21:38] <davmor2> evand: is this a known bug http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install1.png
[21:40] <superm1> neat! i didn't realize Ubuntu installs were getting so small these days that they actually "gave" you space :)
[21:42] <davmor2> superm1: yes it's a special for mobile devices that have small ssd drives to give you max space :D
[21:43] <evand> davmor2: no, it's not known.  Can you please file a bug and attach that screenshot?  Thanks!
[21:43] <evand> haha
[21:43] <davmor2> evand: np's
[21:44] <davmor2> evand: just against ubiquity?
[21:44] <evand> indeed
[21:51] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271512
[21:51] <davmor2> it gets funnier when you select use entire partition
[21:54] <evand> Can you please attach logs (/var/log/installer/debug, /var/log/syslog, and /var/log/partman) to that report
[21:56] <davmor2> I did a entire disc install on the next on I'll do an auto resize and take the log from that if that is okay?
[21:57] <evand> provided it gives you the same UI glitch, yes
[22:00] <davmor2> evand: gives it every time without fail :)
[22:01] <evand> uh, good? ;)
[22:03] <davmor2> evand: the ui goes a bit loopy too when you select entire disc but I'll throw that on my server and see if it needs a separate bug
[22:04] <evand> ok
[22:07] <davmor2> brb
[22:23] <davmor2> evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/install1.png is what you get when you hit use entire disk
[22:24] <evand> mm, fun.  Can you please attach that as well?
[22:24] <davmor2> same bug?
[22:27] <evand> yes
[22:27] <davmor2> no probs
[22:27] <davmor2> there's another fun 1 I'll add as well :)
[22:33] <davmor2> evand updated I'll add the log files as soon as it finishes the install
[22:48] <davmor2> evand: add everything but lp goes down in 13 minutes
[22:48] <davmor2> I've added syslog casper.log and partman there was nothing else was there?
[22:49] <davmor2> evand: ^
[22:51] <evand> debug
[22:51] <evand>  /var/log/installer/debug
[22:51] <evand> if present
[22:52] <davmor2> check it on reboot 2 ticks
[22:54] <davmor2> evand no debug there
[22:55] <davmor2> right bed