[01:00] <ia> hello, everybody. Could you tell me please, does exists some howto about installing ubuntu mobile at nokia internet tablets (such as n800/n810)? Is that possible to install ubuntu mobile at this devices?
[01:02] <ia> oh, i've already found answer to my question: "Ubuntu does not currently provide ARM binaries for any flavour." :-)
[06:11] <persia> ogra: When you are around, please consider merging  lp:~persia/ubuntu-seeds/mobile.intrepid
[08:37] <theseinfeld> lool
[08:38] <theseinfeld> lool, you changed the xserver-xorg-video-psb to get the redirection to libexa.so.xserver-xorg-core
[08:38] <theseinfeld> lool now I am getting a strange error when starting X on the hardware: failed to load module Xpsb module does not exist. Any idea why?
[10:35] <ogra> StevenK, did you catch my paste with the launcher code yesterday ?
[10:35] <ogra> persia, done
[10:36] <StevenK> ogra: Yes
[10:36] <ogra> good
[10:36] <StevenK> ogra: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/IMG_2095.JPG
[10:37] <ogra> SWEET !!
[10:37] <StevenK> ogra: And http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/IMG_2096.JPG
[10:38] <ogra> wow
[10:38] <StevenK> ogra: With a large license notice, it's less than 100 lines of Python
[10:38] <ogra> yeah :)
[10:39] <StevenK> Now, tell me I'm awesome :-P
[10:39] <ogra> if i'm back from berlin i'll care for some gtkrc hacking so we get wide scrollbars 
[10:39] <ogra> youre awesome StevenK \o/
[10:39] <StevenK> :-D
[10:40] <ogra> how long does it take to start up ? 
[10:40] <ogra> i tested my old code yesterday when i found it again and noticed it easily takes 20sec
[10:41] <ogra> but that might be the odd way of parsing the .menu files
[10:45] <StevenK> Um. Not sure
[10:45] <StevenK> hildon-desktop is a pig itself, so not much on top of that
[10:46] <ogra> yep
[10:46] <ogra> did you try wth 36px icons instead of 48px ? that could give us 5 in a row and get rid of the big whitespace on the right 
[10:47] <StevenK> That's 64 pixels
[10:47] <ogra> oh
[10:47] <ogra> another option would be to put the iconview in a hbox and add something on the left and right sides ... i guess it looks better if centerd
[10:48] <ogra> *centered
[10:48] <ogra> though that will get hard with wallpapers ... 
[10:50] <StevenK> I'd rather it was transparent, too, but I couldn't do that
[10:51] <ogra> well, we need a ui for setting background colors and/or wallapers that appl to teh iconview i guess
[10:51] <StevenK> We have one, it just works below that
[10:51] <Celtiore> hi
[10:51] <ogra> bgcol = gtk.gdk.color_parse('#584c40')
[10:51] <ogra> fgcol = gtk.gdk.color_parse('#ffffff')
[10:51] <ogra> iconview.modify_base(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, bgcol)
[10:51] <ogra> iconview.modify_text(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, fgcol)
[10:51] <ogra> from my code 
[10:52] <ogra> iconview.modify_base is the background
[10:52] <StevenK> I think it gets set in gconf, so I'll look at it tomorrow
[10:52] <StevenK> ogra: Yes, I've already done it.
[10:52] <ogra> ah, k :)
[10:52] <Celtiore> ogra, i have one question please :p
[10:52] <ogra> Celtiore, shoot
[10:53] <Celtiore> do you have infos about aigo p8860 and idctouch drivers for last kernel version ? 
[10:54] <ogra> Celtiore, apart from the fact that you come up quite often in a google search for it ? no ... :)
[10:55] <Celtiore> i find : http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.moblin.devel/252
[10:55] <Celtiore> last time, persia says to ask to you
[10:56] <ogra> yes, i try to get the X/hal side of things working
[10:56] <ogra> the prob with it is the closed driver 
[10:57] <Celtiore> yes, we need to wait gigabyte m528 perhaps ?
[10:57] <ogra> if i dont get a /dev/input/eventX for it i cant do much about it 
[10:57] <Celtiore> some guys talk about ubuntu mobile on m528
[10:57] <ogra> and that device is provided by udev if a working kernel driver exists
[10:58] <ogra> do you have the system working aart from that ? 
[10:58] <ogra> *apart
[10:58] <Celtiore> yes
[10:59] <Celtiore> one guys releases ubuntu 7.10 with idctouch drivers from orignal midinux aigo, and i put last 8.04.1 to test
[11:00] <Celtiore> i try the evtouch driver, but when i touch the screen, cursor move randomly
[11:00] <Celtiore> sorry for my bad english :p
[11:00] <ogra> oh, thats good
[11:01] <ogra> (randomly moving means you get events
[11:01] <ogra> )
[11:01] <Celtiore> yes
[11:02] <ogra> do you use the nid desktop or a normal ubuntu one ? 
[11:02] <ogra> afaik the only working calibration tool we currently have is in miblin-applets
[11:02] <ogra> *moblin
[11:02] <Celtiore> mid desktop
[11:03] <Celtiore> but it's not a calibration problem
[11:03] <Celtiore> i have try the evtouch calibration tool, and nothing good
[11:04] <ogra> nah, thats crap
[11:04] <ogra> the one from the mid desktop is working 
[11:05] <ogra> i'll try to fix the evtouch one for intrepid but didnt come around to that yet
[11:05] <Celtiore> ok
[11:06] <ogra> StevenK, btw, are you happy with the joystick and buttons ?
[11:44] <StevenK> ogra: I've not checked :-)
[11:44] <ogra> :)
[14:49] <persia> ogra: Thanks.  -mobile ought work on lpia now :)
[14:49] <ogra> great 
[14:49] <ogra> did you see scotts screenshots ? 
[14:49] <ogra> ergh
[14:49] <ogra> stevens 
[14:49] <ogra> *sigh*
[14:50] <ogra> so sorry .... :/
[14:52] <persia> Yep.  I'm *very* excited.  I've been looking forward to seeing that for a couple months now.
[14:53] <ogra> you shuould have told me :P my old launcher would have worked already i bet
[14:53] <ogra> not as sweet as stevens but enough to show something 
[14:55]  * ogra would love to finish that event translator for it at some point ... so we could get rid of all scrollbars 
[14:55] <ogra> (in the launcher only though)
[14:56] <davmor2> ogra: link?
[14:56] <ogra> for the screenshot ? 
[14:56] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/IMG_2095.JPG
[14:57] <ogra> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/IMG_2096.JPG with selected category
[14:58] <davmor2> cool :)
[14:58] <ogra> about 100 lines of py code incl. license :)
[14:59] <ogra> and properly using xdg
[18:15] <ian_brasil> maybe i asked this already ..i forgot but anyway..in /usr/share/ume-config-common/ume-gui-start
[18:15] <ian_brasil>  why is the matchbox theme hardcoded to mobilebasic
[18:15] <ian_brasil> and why does the matchbox theme.xml have lots of maemo images stillin it
[18:16] <ian_brasil> things like qgn_plat_application_status_bar_background.png 
[18:17] <persia> Erm.  Maybe someone thought it was a good theme and didn't want to create a theme selector?  Also, perhaps the theme was created by copying something from Maemo and editing it?
[18:17]  * persia doesn't know the real answer, and is just guessing
[18:17] <persia> Anyway, ume-config-common was dropped for intrepid, so the next release oughtn't have that problem.
[18:18] <persia> Do you see the same behaviour in the 8.10 images?
[18:18] <ian_brasil> i will have a look
[18:22] <persia> Thanks.  I'm tempted to just ignore all the bugs in ume-config-common, unless they break some functionality significantly, as we've dropped the package, but I'm concerned about any behaviours that are undesireable.
[18:39] <ian_brasil> persia: i am downloading the current image now..i pulled the source of hildon-theme-mobile-basic-0.37 which has these maemo images still in it which seems rather odd
[18:41] <persia> Then the new image probably has it.  I'm not sure there's been any significant changes to hildon-theme-mobile-basic
[18:41] <persia> Are the images non-free, or just suprisingly duplicated?
[18:43] <ian_brasil> they are Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 i believe..maybe it is that ume does not use these dialog images and it busts gtkrc if you remove them
[18:49] <persia> Could be.  I don't know much about themes, and I don't know that we've anyone specific who is chasing the themes and art for either of Ubuntu MID or Ubuntu Mobile.
[18:49] <persia> It's probably just leftovers because they happened to work and so there was no bug that attracted someone's attention.
[18:50] <persia> If you've a replacement .gtkrc that you think would work better, I'm sure that it could be reviewed.
[18:52] <ian_brasil> i just changed the colors like style "osso-logical-colors" {
[18:52] <ian_brasil> 	color["DefaultTextColor"]        = "#303030"
[18:52] <ian_brasil> 	color["EmpTextColor"]            = "#204a87"
[18:52] <ian_brasil> 	color["PaintedDefaultTextColor"] = "#ffffff"
[18:52] <ian_brasil> 	color["DisabledTextColor"]       = "#babdb6"
[18:52] <ian_brasil> 	color["ProgressTextColor1"]      = "#000000"
[18:53] <ian_brasil> the file is nearly 8000 lines long so a bit scary
[18:54] <persia> Yeah :)
[22:21] <robr> smagoun / tonyespy : ping
[22:21] <smagoun> robr: pong
[22:21] <tonyespy> robr: pong 
[22:22] <robr> tonyespy / smagoun: hi. do you guys ever see that boot hang on menlow where during kernel startup the system hangs for a while and then continues booting after a period of time
[22:22] <smagoun> robr: yup
[22:22] <robr> how frequently?
[22:22] <smagoun> robr: We saw it primarily (only?) on install
[22:23] <smagoun> Happened almost always on install
[22:24] <robr> any chance you guys can try an experiment where you build the install boot kernel with the HPET timer disabled and see if it still happens?
[22:26] <robr> smagoun: i guess that is a no
[22:27] <tonyespy> robr: according to ChickenCutlass, we explicity has to set the hpet as the clock source to get past the hang
[22:27] <smagoun> robr: I think we've been doing that since Feb. Checking now
[22:27] <tonyespy> robr: i'll leave to smagoun though...
[22:28] <smagoun> robr: tony's right - we use clocksource=hpet:
[22:28] <smagoun> usb_kernel_cmdline = initrd=initrd.img boot=usb clocksource=hpet
[22:29] <smagoun> robr: you're suggesting that we *not* use the HPET instead?
[22:29] <robr> smagoun: so with the clocksource=hpet, you don't see the boot hang issue?
[22:29] <smagoun> robr: correct
[22:30] <robr> smagoun: i'm trying to find out if the boot hang problem you see is related to an hpet timer issue
[22:30] <robr> and issue in the chipset