[01:50] <knoppix_> TheSheep, this is nubuntu, i was here earlier talking to you about this issue.  Changing to a usb keyboard helped somewhat on this machine, but still can't boot xubuntu or ubuntu live cd for some reason.  i put this knoppix live disk on and i wonder if anyone could help me retrieve my friends windows files using knoppix.  the hard drive partition that contains the files is appearing on this desktop, but i'm kind of a newb.  to retrieve and copy the fil
[01:50] <knoppix_> es, i need to 'mount' that partition, right??  could anyone help me walk through this?
[01:51] <favro> right click the partitions icon and select mount
[01:52] <favro> right click again and change read/write access
[01:57] <knoppix_> favro, what do i want to change the access to?
[01:58] <favro> knoppix_: you want to make it writable so you can access it
[01:58] <knoppix_> ok, i did the first mount, now the live disk is spinning and spinning
[01:59] <favro> knoppix_: if the hd is large it might take a min or two
[02:00] <favro> the live disk is spinning 'cause it is doing work for you :)
[02:00] <knoppix_> favro, the remount command failed.  Maybe there is another process accessing the filesystem currently.
[02:01] <favro> knoppix_: I don't use windows but have heard that if windows isn't shut down right accessing it can be hard - maybe ##windows might help?
[02:02] <knoppix_> no, i not running windows at all, i have a knoppix live cd running, cause ubuntu nor xubuntu would load properly on this machine.
[02:04] <favro> "retrieve my friends windows files" - the disk you want to access is windows right?
[02:06] <knoppix_> yes, his dell crashed, and we're tryihg to retrieve his files to go ahead and install linux
[02:07] <knoppix_> but i'm running knoppix livecd
[02:07] <favro> well from what I've read accessing a crashed windows install isn't staightforward - but again I've not used windows in years - someone here or in ##windows might no about that
[02:08] <favro> s/no/know/
[02:08] <knoppix_> k, thanks for trying
[02:13] <knoppix_> i doubt they would know how to help in windows room
[02:14] <favro> someone in #ubuntu might have the experience with this
[02:14] <favro> maybe
[02:15] <knoppix_> k, lemme try
[03:03] <filipegatti_> helo
[03:03] <danopia``> bai
[03:03] <filipegatti_> i'm having a big trouble in watching videos. all videos i try to run display in a strange way, like brightness at 100%, its just impossible to watch.
[03:10] <favro> is that with one vid player or others as well?
[03:13] <filipegatti_> all vid players
[03:13] <filipegatti_> i tried a lot of them
[03:14] <filipegatti_> vlc, mplayer, smplayer, totem
[03:14] <filipegatti_> gxine
[03:14] <filipegatti_> and its not only with .mkv (matroska) files, .avi as well.
[03:16] <favro> what vid card are you using?
[03:19] <favro> lspci | grep VGA   will tell
[03:20] <filipegatti_> vid card wait
[03:20] <filipegatti_>  Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[03:21] <favro> k I'll have a google :)
[03:21] <filipegatti_> the strange is that some days ago it was working ok in totem, but not it just destroyed :D
[03:24] <Tony_> DasEi, this is me do you see me?  how to i get to the pm with you?
[03:25] <favro> can't find symptoms like that with google - I would run   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg   then logout/in and check a vid
[03:26] <favro> Tony_: DasEi isn't in the user list
[03:27] <filipegatti_> favro, i think i'll do that.. wait a sec and i'll tell you
[03:27] <favro> k :)
[03:30] <marchelo> favro, what was the command you said to me later? (filipegatti_)
[03:30] <marchelo> :P
[03:30] <favro>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[03:31] <marchelo> ok. wait up :D
[03:34] <filipegatti> favro, thanks, it worked :D
[03:34] <favro> well done :)
[03:35] <filipegatti> that's a nice command, need to put it in my notebool :P
[03:35] <filipegatti> ah, let me ask you one more thing
[03:35] <filipegatti> everytime I log in, it ask me to log in in a session, the only option I have is default or to create another one. I always choose default, is there a way to skip this screen?
[03:37] <favro> in the settings manager - login  there are options - not using xfce4 atm - save session is what you need i believe
[03:38] <filipegatti> hmm, sometimes i think i need to search more on my own :(
[03:38] <filipegatti> thanks again :)
[03:39] <favro> np :)
[03:42] <filipegatti> favro, do you recommend a video player?
[03:43] <Odd-rationale> i like vlc
[03:44] <favro> I use vlc xine-ui and mplayer so I can play everything
[03:44] <favro> vlc won't play .flv here
[03:44] <filipegatti> hmm, i'll need to run some flv files
[03:45] <filipegatti> i'll get mplayer, i used it before and was nice :)
[03:46] <favro> :)
[04:03] <favro> I got my fuzzy clock working and showing on all desktops :)
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> what's a fuzzy clock?
[04:12] <Odd-rationale> favro?
[04:13] <favro> Odd-rationale: tells the time in words not numbers
[04:13] <favro> http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=datecl7.jpg - bottom left
[04:13] <favro> I used conky to show it on the desktop
[04:14] <filipegatti> favro, that's avant window navigator or a normal panel?
[04:14] <favro> it's xfce4-panel
[04:15] <filipegatti> got it
[04:15] <favro> I use fluxbox and xfce4-panel comes with thunar
[04:15] <Odd-rationale> favro: heard of qclock?
[04:15] <favro> Odd-rationale: nope ?
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> favro: http://www.nethack.net/qclock/
[04:16] <Odd-rationale> favro: for more qclock quotes: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=46136
[04:17] <favro> Odd-rationale: hahaa that looks cool :)
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> favro: pretty funny :P
[04:17] <Odd-rationale> i don't think there is a .deb though...
[04:18] <favro> Odd-rationale: I wrote a bash script for my fuzzy clock - I'm going to try and get random comments in it now! hehe
[04:18] <Odd-rationale> qclock stands for "queer clock"
[04:20] <Odd-rationale> favro: you should try to get qclock to display with your fuzzy clock... :D
[04:22] <favro> Odd-rationale: I'm reading here to add random comments - http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/randomvar.html
[04:23] <kriel> Okay, so. I got an ubuntu disk from my buddy to install onto  my laptop, only to find out he forgot to write the X in front of the distro name on the disc. Oh well, stuff happens. But now I'm trying to apt-get install gnome and it's saying gnome-desktop-environment isn't going to be installed. apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment says gnome-keyring-manager is not installable. Is there a...
[04:23] <kriel> ...(relatively) easy way to convert xubuntu to use a gnome desktop, or am I just gonna have to go download (not x)ubuntu?
[04:23] <Odd-rationale> favro: where are you getting the quotes?
[04:24] <Odd-rationale> kriel: try installing ubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <favro> Odd-rationale: haven't got that far yet :)
[04:24] <Odd-rationale> kriel: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[04:24] <Odd-rationale> kriel: oh. and before you do that do: sudo apt-get update
[04:25] <kriel> woot, no dependency issues. Thanks!
[04:25] <kriel> already done.
[04:25] <Odd-rationale> kriel: cool. after all that (bloat) is installed, just choose gnome in the session menu from the login screen.
[04:25] <kriel> In other news: Who do I talk to about smacking xorg around? Do I speak to #(x)ubuntu in general, or should I head over to #xorg ?
[04:26] <kriel> Odd-rationale: bloat it may be, but it's bloat that's at least semi-intuitive; at least, to me it is.
[04:26] <Odd-rationale> kriel: either, if it might be more *buntu specific, then #ubuntu probably...
[04:27] <Odd-rationale> kriel: i was just joking of course... :P
[04:28] <kriel> Odd-rationale: Mmkay. Thank you. ^^
[04:29] <kriel> Oh, hey. What do you know. -blinks at network settings box- I found the wireless configs. -facepalm-
[04:30] <Odd-rationale> aww... too bad. xfce4.6 won't make it until the jaunty jackalope release... :(
[04:44] <kriel> So, I decided to stick with xfce (mostly because I don't feel like waiting for bloody gnome to download, and I found the wifi configuration buttons.) However, my Xorg still isn't working. Here, have a screeny. http://eri.imgoing.thruhere.net/upload/xfcescreen.png  I can still move windows over into the 'not desktop' area, however the toolbars are... out there. Any idea if this is an xfce or...
[04:44] <kriel> ...a xorg problem?
[04:49] <favro> kriel: right click the panel and select customize panel - set them both as fixed and non floating
[04:50] <kriel> Woah, wierd.
[04:50] <favro> wierd ?
[04:51] <kriel> inside customize panel, there are two monitor settings, 1 and 2. 2 sets the bar to its correct place.
[04:51] <kriel> I think I have two overlapping screens
[04:51] <favro> kriel: you have two panels - top and bottom
[04:51] <kriel> nono, it says there are two monitors.
[04:52] <kriel> if I click monitor 1, it's in the middle of the screen, but if I click 2, it puts the bars into the right place.
[04:52] <favro> kriel: there "might" be a virtual line in your xorg.conf file in the screen or monitor section comment it out
[04:52] <favro> ohh
[04:53] <kriel> http://pastebin.com/f67e55647
[04:56] <kriel> This is on a laptop with a secondary vga port, hooking up a monitor to see its behavior
[05:02] <favro> kriel...
[05:02] <kriel_> favro: hm?
[05:03] <favro> thought you'd gone :) the xorg.conf is pretty useless for diagnosing stuff in hardy - does    xrandr   tell you options for display?
[05:04] <kriel> it tells me lots of interesting stuff, but most of it's gibberish to me
[05:05] <kriel> though I understand there's VGA connected and a LVDS connected. For some reason it seems to be drawing the VGA stuff on the LVDS screen...?
[05:05]  * kriel is taking shots in the dark
[05:05] <favro> you might need xinerama
[05:05] <favro> !xinerama
[05:06] <kriel> oh, hey, ubottu lives here, too. Hi!
[05:06] <favro> !twinview | for nvidia
[05:06] <kriel> no, it's not an nvidia card. It's an intel.
[05:07] <kriel> alright, thank you favro.
[05:07] <favro> kriel: do you know the vid card model - there might be a howto
[05:08] <kriel> I have to get going (I've got this thing called work in the morning, it kinda sucks) but thank you for all the help. I'll take a look at xinerama, and I'll certainly be back in here if it breaks.
[05:08] <favro> lspci | grep VGA   will tell
[05:09] <kriel> for the record, it's an Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[05:09] <kriel> Thank you again for all the help.
[05:09]  * kriel bows towards favro. And Odd-rationale, for helping earlier.
[05:11] <kriel> Seeya later.
[05:14] <J-n> I'm not using xubuntu, but was wondering if with the default install if there is a way to search for a file, using the GUI?
[05:17] <favro> I've never even tried that - cli ftw hehe
[05:18] <J-n> lol it's just someone in #ubuntu is ... complainin' lol ... and i'd like to help... i suspect thunar does it... but i dont have a copy installed to tell him lol..
[05:20] <cody-somerville> J-n, Thunar doesn't have built in search... yet
[05:21] <cody-somerville> J-n, I imagine we'll see that in Jaunty
[05:21] <cody-somerville> However, for Intrepid, we have the catfish tool
[05:21] <cody-somerville> IF he is using Hardy, I might recommend him installing that package.
[05:22] <J-n> cody-somerville: he is using hardy
[05:23] <J-n> cody-somerville: though, he's starting to seriously grate on my nerves... lol... not sure if i WANT to help him anymore lol
[05:23] <cody-somerville> doh : (
[05:23]  * cody-somerville encourages deep breaths. :)
[05:23] <J-n> cody-somerville: reminded him 2x that i'm just a guy who came here to ask a few questions myself lol
[05:24] <cody-somerville> You say he is an Xubuntu user? Maybe you could politely point him to this channel and I can try to help him?
[05:25] <cody-somerville> If he is giving you the "how could you make it this hard to do this? Its all your fault, blah blah blah" rant, just point him to me - I'm the person he'll want to blame ;]
[05:25] <J-n> cody-somerville:  sadly while i was here venting to you, he seems to have disapeared :(
[05:25] <cody-somerville> doh.
[05:25] <cody-somerville> Ahwell, thanks for trying J-n. Greatly appreciated! :)
[05:26] <J-n> well, since i've got ya here, and talkin... mind if i ask you in what situations would you recomend xfce over kde or gnome?
[05:27] <favro> I'd recommend xubuntu over ubuntu just on the wallpaper...
[05:29] <J-n> very strange...
[05:29] <favro> why is debtags using all my cpu?
[05:30] <favro> seen ubuntu hardy's wallpaper?
[05:30] <J-n> I go to www.xubuntu.org/get#hardy and i get DL links for Gutsy and dapper. lol
[05:31] <favro> cody-somerville: ^^
[05:32] <cody-somerville> What the...
[05:33] <J-n> only page i can get 8.04 from is when i click on the Xubuntu8.04.1 released link... but no link to the 8.04.1 DL
[05:33] <cody-somerville> I will fix that right now
[05:34] <cody-somerville> I wonder when the get page got like that
[05:34] <cody-somerville> I'm positive we updated it for 8.04.1
[05:34] <J-n> i hope VERY recently
[05:34] <J-n> http://xubuntu.org/news/hardy.1/release -- is the only place i can find the link for 8.04
[05:34] <J-n> but no 8.04.1
[05:36] <J-n> lol but i'll be grabbing it via torrent anyway .. and i can find that np :)
[05:37] <J-n> god i love torrents that max my dl speed.
[05:37] <J-n> praise be to the seeders.
[05:41] <cody-somerville> J-n, is the page good now?
[05:41] <J-n> beautiful! :D
[05:42] <pist0l-fish> hi all. Whenever I plug in my USB hard drive, (it is mounted) and two thunars open with the location of the hard drive mount... anyone getting a similar problem?
[05:48] <favro> pist0l-fish: nope - doesn't happen here
[05:55] <pist0l-fish> :(
[06:07] <pist0l-fish> ﻿favro: turns out two Thunar processes were running. pgrep Thunar returned two pids. Killed one, and now it's fine. I wonder if two Thunar processes will start every time I boot
[06:07] <pist0l-fish> going to find out right now
[06:08] <favro> k
[06:21] <pist0l-fish> seems like it went away.
[06:21] <pist0l-fish> Thanks.
[06:27] <favro> k again :) bye
[07:02] <jeanfredo> i have kind of a problem. i have installed a gtk2 theme on a 8.04 xu and only colors are applied. seems that he doesn't find the engine? i've installed all gtk2-engines to get sure, but this changes nothing. whats about this gtk2-engine-xfce. is this perhaps the only one which is used? do you have any hints for me? thank you in advance
[07:03] <jeanfredo> the theme came from xfce-look.org ...
[07:05] <favro> what parts of the theme aren't being used? or what makes you think they aren't?
[07:08] <jeanfredo> the screenshot looks different than my desktop
[07:09] <jeanfredo> for example the scrollbars are the basic ones here
[07:09] <favro> k - which parts - icons or buttons or...
[07:09] <favro> k
[07:09] <jeanfredo> i'll upload a screenshit
[07:10] <jeanfredo> shot
[07:10] <jeanfredo> :-D
[07:10] <J-n> lol
[07:11] <jeanfredo> thats the one i wanna use http://tinyurl.com/6ae9uc
[07:12] <favro> in the theme folder there will be a gtk2 folder that should have the scrollbar pic in it
[07:13] <Myrtti> "You will need the Rezlooks Engine and Pixmap Engine."
[07:13] <Myrtti> do you have those?
[07:15] <jeanfredo> no i dont
[07:15] <jeanfredo> this is an explanation
[07:15] <jeanfredo> but they aren't in repo :-/
[07:16] <jeanfredo> so i'll get them otherwise
[07:17] <jeanfredo> ahhh
[07:20] <jeanfredo> i found a deb on gnome-look.org for ubuntu
[07:20] <jeanfredo> in the description they say it is for dapper
[07:20] <jeanfredo> does it matter?
[07:20] <favro> pixmaps is in the repos hang on
[07:20] <jeanfredo> its for rezlooks
[07:22] <favro> I dunno about that
[07:22] <jeanfredo> okay
[07:22] <jeanfredo> and what about pixmaps
[07:22] <jeanfredo> have no engine called like that in synaptic
[07:23] <qwerfd> hello
[07:23] <qwerfd> i know this isnt a specific xubuntu question but it seems that #ubuntu is flooded now-a-days
[07:24] <jeanfredo> what question
[07:24] <qwerfd> i rebooted my box and altered some bios settings. when i booted back up i wasnt auto connected to the network
[07:24] <qwerfd> i've tried fiddling with the nm-applet but its not connecting
[07:25] <jeanfredo> clean up /etc/network/interfaces
[07:25] <qwerfd> theres nothing in interfaces except for l0
[07:25] <qwerfd> lo
[07:25] <favro> did you turn offethernet/change irqs?
[07:26] <qwerfd> nope... all i did was turn on SMART HD capabilities and one or two other power management related options
[07:26] <favro> jeanfredo: pixmap has a new name and trying to find it one min
[07:27] <qwerfd> i am used to manually editing /etc/network/interfaces but it seems that ubuntu doesnt like it when that file is manually altered
[07:27] <jeanfredo> qwerd: nm-applet dont like that
[07:27] <jeanfredo> thats the prob
[07:27] <qwerfd> me either...
[07:28] <favro> you need to restart networking when you do that
[07:28] <favro> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:28] <qwerfd> k
[07:28] <qwerfd> that went fine
[07:28] <jeanfredo> favro: thanks
[07:29] <qwerfd> when i do ifup -a i get these 2 errors:
[07:29] <qwerfd> /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail: line 44: /usr/share/sendmail/dynamic: No such file or directory
[07:29] <jeanfredo> favro: pixmaps sounds familiar to me
[07:29] <qwerfd> and, run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail exited with return code 1
[07:29] <jeanfredo> favro: it should be in the repos, right?
[07:30] <favro> it should - just had to wait for vbox to fire up and check
[07:30] <jeanfredo> favro: okay
[07:30] <qwerfd> ironically on another xubuntu 8.04 box ifup doesnt give any errors and /usr/share/sendmail doesnt even exist
[07:33] <favro> !info gtk-engines-pixbuf
[07:33] <favro> !info gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[07:33] <favro> ^^used to be pixmaps
[07:35] <jeanfredo> this one i have
[07:35] <jeanfredo> doing a restart after all the other updates
[07:35] <jeanfredo> cya
[07:36] <qwerfd> any ideas?
[07:37] <qwerfd> bah nvm
[07:37] <qwerfd> its working now
[07:37] <qwerfd> i guess those sendmail scripts were not supposed to be there....
[07:37] <qwerfd> i removed them and rebooted and now its workin
[08:15] <Vonor> hi
[08:15] <favro> !hi
[08:16] <Vonor> is it possible to install xubuntu from another linux, or am i required to use one of the *ubuntu live cds?
[08:16] <Myrtti> depends what the another linux is
[08:16] <Vonor> gentoo
[08:17] <favro> you can add xubuntu-desktop to the one you have nowif it is ubuntu
[08:17] <favro> in vbox then :)
[08:17] <favro> or dual boot
[08:17] <Vonor> i want to install it on another hd
[08:17] <Myrtti> then you need an installation media
[08:18] <Vonor> the question is, if i need the cd or if i can install it from my running gentoo
[08:18] <Myrtti> live cd, alternate cd, usb, dvd, whatever rocks your boat
[09:59] <squirrelpimp> hi...
[09:59] <squirrelpimp> i just really screwed things up
[09:59] <squirrelpimp> i ran "rm -rf /usr/lib" (common typo) and hit ctrl+c after about one second
[10:00] <squirrelpimp> it's just libs, so i thought i could reinstall them in theory
[10:00] <Catoptromancy> heh
[10:00] <squirrelpimp> could anyone help me here? it's xubuntu hardy
[10:00] <Catoptromancy> desktop or alternate disk?
[10:00] <squirrelpimp> i think i'll have to check for all libs, that should be there
[10:00] <squirrelpimp> i think i installed from alternate
[10:00] <squirrelpimp> but does that make a difference
[10:00] <Catoptromancy> is it possible to reinstall without formatting?
[10:01] <squirrelpimp> i don't know
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> Im not totally sure about ubuntu
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> ive done it on slackware
[10:01] <squirrelpimp> as long as all applications are running i could try anything else first
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> itll leave everything alone, execpt copy over all the original files
[10:01] <squirrelpimp> reinstalling will make me lose lots of settings though
[10:01] <squirrelpimp> i'd only need all the lib files from all packages installed
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> with slackware I didnt lose anything
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> you dont format
[10:01] <Catoptromancy> only copy over,
[10:02] <Catoptromancy> but someone probably has a better answer
[10:02] <squirrelpimp> i think ubuntu will be different here
[10:02] <Catoptromancy> its a bit idle at the moment
[10:02] <squirrelpimp> i need a list of all my packages installed and then i need every file in /usr/lib
[10:03] <Catoptromancy> well open all your programs
[10:03] <Catoptromancy> whatever doesnt work, redownload
[10:03] <squirrelpimp> and see what fails
[10:03] <squirrelpimp> :)
[10:03] <Catoptromancy> thats best bet
[10:03] <squirrelpimp> i thought of reinstalling all that has "lib*" as a name
[10:04] <squirrelpimp> oh i hate fast computers
[10:04] <squirrelpimp> couple of years ago it wouldn't have deleted that many files in just one sec
[10:05] <favro> "squirrelpimp> i need a list of all my packages" - this might help
[10:05] <favro> !clone
[10:05] <squirrelpimp> favro: thanks
[10:05] <favro> I hope it works well :)
[10:06] <squirrelpimp> can aptitude work with selections as well?
[10:06] <squirrelpimp> i usually prefer it over apt-get
[10:06] <squirrelpimp> the problem is, my packages are already installed
[10:06] <squirrelpimp> and i'd like to only reinstall those having files in /usr/lib
[10:07] <squirrelpimp> i could try to bring up vmware an install a copy of my system there using favros trick
[10:07] <favro> apt-get will report that an installed app is already installed - and I think that might hang you up
[10:07] <favro> apt-get doesn't know what was removed
[10:07] <squirrelpimp> yes
[10:08] <squirrelpimp> aptitude has a reinstall command
[10:08] <favro> apt-get --reinstall install
[10:08] <squirrelpimp> ok
[10:08] <favro> sorry I don't use aptitude
[10:08] <squirrelpimp> still this will reinstall even apps without files in /usr/lib
[10:08] <squirrelpimp> if this is a problem?
[10:09] <AkshunBoi> Recently my xubuntu hardy is hanging, indefinitely, at "Starting Up..." during boot. I have tried using the 'recovery mode,' it hangs after 10s at a line about ACPI PCI Interrupt 11. System previously worked fine.
[10:09] <favro> you won't have the same app twice
[10:09] <squirrelpimp> apt-get --reinstall dselect-upgrade
[10:09] <favro> squirrelpimp: ^^
[10:10] <squirrelpimp> yes, of course
[10:10] <squirrelpimp> but e.g. reinstalling libexo screwed setting quite a bit
[10:10] <squirrelpimp> i need a script to run "dpkg -L" for each package installed and see if it has files in /usr/lib
[10:10] <favro> AkshunBoi: do you have an old kernel to boot into?
[10:11] <AkshunBoi> favro: I do, they are all exhibiting the same behavior
[10:12] <favro> AkshunBoi: does it boot into recovery? - or nothing at all?
[10:12] <AkshunBoi> favro: the recovery mode option hangs 10 seconds into boot
[10:13] <favro> AkshunBoi: if it is a new thing it might be h/ware
[10:13] <favro> unless there was a bios change maybe
[10:13] <AkshunBoi> favro: the only change is that I installed a bunch of updates from the automatic updater, this is the first reboot since installing those
[10:14] <AkshunBoi> none of those 'required' a reboot though
[10:14] <AkshunBoi> and the system worked fine for at least a day after installing those (without rebooting)
[10:14] <AkshunBoi> I'd start pulling hardware to see if it would boot bare-bones, but it's a laptop :/ only thing I can pull is the pcmcia wifi card, and I already tried without it :/
[10:15] <favro> AkshunBoi: does the live cd boot?
[10:16] <AkshunBoi> haven't tried, guess I should go find the live cd, and the cd drive while I'm at it. I always forget about that thing, too used to windows I suppose :P
[10:18] <favro> hehe
[10:18] <squirrelpimp> ok... of the 2075 packages installed, 1162 have files in /usr/lib
[10:18] <squirrelpimp> hell...
[10:19] <favro> omg... hehe
[10:19] <squirrelpimp> now... i could as well check if all files are present
[10:19] <squirrelpimp> that would be faster as i only lost 1sec of rm -rf
[10:19] <favro> sounds good
[10:24] <AkshunBoi> can't believe I actually found the cd drive so easily, too bad the system doesn't want to boot from it right now, grrr :/
[10:25] <AkshunBoi> whoah, I'll be damned it just booted to the splash screen
[10:25] <squirrelpimp> AkshunBoi: isn't that quite normal?
[10:25] <AkshunBoi> I've been messing with this thing for close to 3 hrs now, hangs EVERY TIME, I do what amounts to nothing and all of a sudden it boots
[10:26] <favro> AkshunBoi: it might just be mem issues
[10:26] <AkshunBoi> normal, yeah, just not normal that it magically fixed itself! I'd really prefer if I had done something to make it suddenly work :P
[10:26] <AkshunBoi> favro: good call, I'll let it memtest overnight and see if it turns anything up in the morning, thanks for your help :P
[10:27] <favro> AkshunBoi: a quick check if the cd boots is open a terminal and type free
[10:28] <squirrelpimp> favro: my scan actually works... however it's slow as ...
[10:28] <AkshunBoi> 'free' seems to show me memory/swap information?
[10:30] <favro> it should - and if it shows all that should be there that's a good start
[10:31] <AkshunBoi> oooh, nevermind, when you said "if the cd boots" I thought you meant to "check if the cd boots" not to check [memory issues] if the cd boots
[10:31] <AkshunBoi> it seems to have booted perfectly fine this time, though, so, I'll cross my fingers that it was just a big 3 hour fluke that kept me from booting :P
[10:32] <favro> AkshunBoi: I thought you couldn't get into the system so from the cd would be the only option
[10:32] <AkshunBoi> yeah, I understand now, I just got a bit confused there :P
[10:32] <favro> squirrelpimp: "my scan" is a script?
[10:33] <squirrelpimp> yes
[10:33] <favro> well done :)
[10:33] <squirrelpimp> a shell one-liner
[10:33] <squirrelpimp> for package in $(cat packages); do for file in $(dpkg -L $package); do echo $file | grep -q "^/usr/lib/"; if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then if [ ! -e $file ]; then echo "$package: $file"; fi; fi; done; done | tee lib-packages-missing
[10:33] <squirrelpimp> tada
[10:33] <squirrelpimp> :)
[10:34] <AkshunBoi> favro: thanks again
[10:34] <favro> AkshunBoi: np :)
[10:35] <squirrelpimp> but it takes long...
[10:35] <squirrelpimp> so i added some progress-display now
[10:35] <squirrelpimp> :)
[10:35] <favro> hehe :)
[10:35] <favro> I think that's cool
[10:39] <favro> my little fuzzy clock script is giving me base errors causing grammar errors :)
[10:41] <favro> ./progs/fuzzy1: line 6: ((: 09: value too great for base (error token is "09")
[10:42] <squirrelpimp> can you paste the script?
[10:42] <squirrelpimp> i don't have a browser atm
[10:42] <squirrelpimp> :)
[10:42] <squirrelpimp> so here or /query
[10:42] <favro>  /j #favro ?
[11:09] <squirrelpimp> favro: look at the advanced bash scripting guide
[11:09] <squirrelpimp> it is the most usefull documentation for bash programming
[11:11] <favro> yep am working slowly through that - it's hard reading
[11:13] <favro> seems to work with your recommendations - I'll change the clock to look at 9 past again :) thnx
[11:13] <favro> squirrelpimp: ^^
[11:13] <squirrelpimp> :)
[11:31] <favro> ok I buggered my time and sudo - I set the time back five min with sudo date -s 08:08 - now trying to set it back or anything sudo I get
[11:31] <favro> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: Sep 17 20:16:25 2008
[11:31] <favro> apart from waiting 12 hrs what's my choices?
[11:32] <favro> I set the time back 12hrs 5 min with sudo date -s 08:08
[13:37] <nubuntu> i thought all this time with xubuntu on this box that i had a faulty screen, as there is about an inch and a half black margin unused at the right of the screen, but last nite i was playing with a couple other live disks, suse, and knoppix, and i noticed that they utilized all the screenspace.  somewhere i found a utility that i guess is sposed to set the margins, but they were all four set...
[13:37] <nubuntu> ...to '0' already, and i was too tired to go into it any further ... anybody know how i can fix this?
[13:41] <squirrelpimp> nubuntu: does it work with ubuntu-livecd?
[13:41] <squirrelpimp> without the x?
[13:42] <nubuntu> ya, i just found it again, 'workspaces and margins' but they're all set to '0'
[13:42] <nubuntu> squirrelpimp: this box too old for ubuntu.
[13:43] <squirrelpimp> so the live-cd does not even start to check the borders?
[13:43] <squirrelpimp> what version of xubuntu?
[13:44] <pleia2> nubuntu: have you played with your monitor settings? monitors sync up to different screens differently, I tend to have to change mine between OSes (it's even different between the gui and command line)
[13:44] <favro> nubuntu: any buttons on the front of the monitor?
[13:44] <nubuntu> hmmmmmm, pretty sure i upgraded to hardy
[13:44] <pleia2> yeah, buttons on the monitor
[13:45] <nubuntu> ya, some buttons on the front, never touched them or lookd at them b4
[13:46] <squirrelpimp> so looking and touching them might help... especially if one was labelled "auto"
[13:46] <squirrelpimp> :)
[13:46] <nubuntu> lemme get a flashlight, there *do* seem to be some horiz controls there
[13:46] <favro> or menu
[13:46] <nubuntu> thanks guys
[13:46] <favro> :)
[13:47] <squirrelpimp> i'd really like to see this room where you need a flashlight to see the monitor-controls
[13:55] <nubuntu> now its worse than it was before.  i found the horiz control,, but as i pushed it right it also expanded left, where it was already too far left to begin with.  so to have a completely visible workspace, i ended up shrinking it back smaller than it was! :P
[13:56] <squirrelpimp> well done
[13:56] <squirrelpimp> there should not only be horiz zoom but also horiz position
[13:56] <squirrelpimp> try that
[13:58] <favro> or press the other button
[14:02] <nubuntu> omg, can anybody say 'extenze'? haha, just got two more inches on the ferrari  :)
[14:03] <favro> hehe well done :)
[14:03] <nubuntu> thanks again squirrel and favro
[14:04] <favro> !tab | nubuntu
[14:05] <favro> I type nub and hit the tab button and get nubuntu
[14:17] <nubuntu> how does that work on filenames and programs in the command line?
[14:18] <nubuntu> favro: , and squirrelpimp ?
[14:18] <nubuntu> :)
[14:19] <nubuntu> how could it know how to complete a filename?  there are so many in the descentding order?
[14:19] <favro> the same but if there is more than one you  tab twice and see the options
[14:19] <nubuntu> *descending
[14:19] <favro> keep hitting tab
[14:20] <favro> sometimes it's easier to type it :)
[14:20] <nubuntu> so if i entered /var then hit tab it would keep going down the line?
[14:21] <favro> should
[14:21] <nubuntu> ya, i think so ,
[14:21] <favro> nope
[14:22] <favro> just replays the options
[14:23] <nubuntu> ya, just tried it, don't like it :P
[14:23] <nubuntu> but good to know
[14:23] <favro> I use it to find long named tar files and such
[14:24] <favro> then highlight them with the mouse and middle click
[14:25] <favro> ^^ works when there's alot of files rtoo
[14:25] <favro> s/rtoo/too/
[15:02] <willluongo> Hello, I thought I remembered being able to click and drag items from the menu onto the top panel in a previous version of Xubuntu, but that doesn't seem to work anymore. How can I add shortcuts to regular applications to the panel?
[15:04] <willluongo> Oh I think I have figured it out, thanks anyway
[16:29] <ron_o> what's the best setting for cups so it uses the least amount of ink?
[16:29] <ron_o> grayscale?
[16:30] <ron_o> fastdraft gray scale?
[16:30] <ron_o> mandje, I have a hard time of this. Like you need any more than fastdraft ever.
[16:30] <ron_o> I mean man..
[16:31] <ron_o> don't know why it goes to "mandje" what the hell.
[16:32] <ron_o> there's this huge conspiracy, I know, to make sure more ink is fricking used. ;->
[18:03] <armornick> hey guys, how do I put a menu to access my folders on the top bar (like gnome)?
[18:05] <zoredache_> armornick: add the 'Places' item to the panel?
[18:05] <armornick> yes
[18:06] <Odd-rationale> armornick: perhaps one way would be to add another xfce4 menu and edit the menu to launch spcified folders...
[18:06] <Odd-rationale> there really isn't a "Places" plugin for xfce...
[18:06] <armornick> is there a documentation project or manual for xfce?
[18:07] <zoredache_> eh?  I think I have one on my system...
[18:07] <zoredache_> !info xfce4-places-plugin
[18:08] <Odd-rationale> hmm cool
[18:10] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: hey. it is even beter than the gnome places menu!!! :P
[18:50] <Myrtti> meh
[18:51] <Myrtti> I shut the wrong window >___>
[20:37] <zz2Z3zz> hey guys, need some help!
[20:38] <Odd-rationale> !ask | zz2Z3zz
[20:39] <Odd-rationale> zz2Z3zz: most be a long question you're typing there... :P
[20:40] <zz2Z3zz> ^^ sry... the question is how can I access Files on other PCs (Windows) with xubuntu? (Like local network in XP)
[20:40] <zz2Z3zz> no just bad english (;
[20:41] <zoredache> if you mean across the network then you will need to install and use something like fusesmb, or manually mount what you want
[20:41] <zoredache> fuse smb - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb
[20:42] <zz2Z3zz> thanks alot (; sry for this nooby question, cya
[20:42] <zoredache> no worries... it is a faq
[20:43] <Myrtti> I bet he comes back
[20:43] <Odd-rationale> lol
[20:44] <zoredache> we really need to make it easier to access smb shares...
[20:45] <Odd-rationale> talk to the thunar dev...
[20:45]  * Myrtti giggles
[20:46] <zz2Z3zz> me again... one more question: ALWAYS when I try to do anything in Terminal where I need Sudo it asks me for the sudo password, but i  just cant type it
[20:46] <Myrtti> it's your own password?
[20:47] <Myrtti> how do you login without your password? do you have autologin enabled?
[20:47] <zz2Z3zz> i know, i mean i cant type... i press a button and nothings appears on screen, no, autologin is disabled
[20:48] <zoredache> Odd-rationale: someone started working on something to make it easier to setup.  I don't think it was working though...
[20:49] <Odd-rationale> zoredache: yeah i remember... someone was working on it...
[20:49] <Myrtti> zz2Z3zz: the password isn't echoed on the terminal
[20:49] <Myrtti> zz2Z3zz: you can't see even stars when you type it - it's supposed to be like that.
[20:52] <zz2Z3zz> o0 ur right sry this is confusing... but thx (;
[21:11] <squirrelpimp> ok... i seem to have fixed all the mess i wrote about today
[21:11] <squirrelpimp> :)
[21:11] <Odd-rationale> good for you :D
[21:11] <squirrelpimp> :)
[21:11] <squirrelpimp> linux ftw
[21:11] <squirrelpimp> one second of rm -rf in windows would probably be harder to fix
[21:17] <zoredache> the question is, why would you want to fix windows?  :p
[22:33] <indi> ics problem here... xubuntu on the net with ppp0 connection, Windows vista Lan connected to xubuntu and can't go to net... any suggestion???
[22:35] <indi> ,hhh
[22:36] <squirrelpimp> indi: firewall, masquerading, iptables, shorewall, ip_forward
[22:36] <squirrelpimp> google each, read first 10 hits, then you should know
[22:36] <squirrelpimp> :)
[22:46] <indi> got a solution for my question? or it's enough talk about firewalls, masquerading exc...???
[22:47] <indi> if i'm here its bcoz i've alredy try a google search and the official ubuntu getting start guide to ics
[22:47] <indi> :)
[22:48] <indi> at the end of this working day i've never find a solution to this damn issue
[23:13] <zoredache> indi: generally most people in this channel are more familair with 'desktop usage' of linux.  Setting up connection sharing, routing and firwalling tends to be a server issue.  You might get more help in #ubuntu-server.  The question is fairly advanced.  To make it run well you need to understand how many things work like routing, firewalling, dns....
[23:14] <zoredache> Also, since you said you read the howto, and google, perhaps you should tell us if you had problems with a particular step, or something...