/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/18/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKcrimsun: The way some people are doing merges these days, I think debian/changelog AND a comment in debian/rules just in case is a good plan.00:01
ScottKapachelogger: Do we have an equivalent of what's being added in Bug 271485?00:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271485 in nautilus-python "need backport of location widget feature for intrepid" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27148500:02
jtechidnacould somebody doing livecd testing test for bug 49825?02:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 49825 in kde-systemsettings "kubuntu installer: Changing Resolution doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4982502:28
vorianevening02:47
Hobbsee@now utc02:51
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 18 2008, 01:51:11 - Current meeting: ubuntu-pa LoCo Team02:51
ScottKHobbsee: Have you decided about switching back to KDE? (sorry, I have lost track)02:59
HobbseeScottK: not currently.02:59
HobbseeScottK: however, do you want to test a cd? :)03:00
Hobbseeit'd show you kubuntu :)03:00
ScottKI'm busy watching wireshark compile on the one box I could do that on.03:00
ScottKHobbsee: Link me for the Kubuntu live CD.  I'll download it and we'll see how things go tonight.03:00
HobbseeScottK: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all03:01
ScottKThanks.03:01
HobbseeScottK: it needs to be done in the next ~16 hours or so.03:01
ScottKOK.  I'll do some i386 CD Live testing.03:21
Hobbseegood :)03:21
ScottK-laptopOK.  Off to reboot to the Live CD03:39
ScottK-laptopOK, so this is KDE4 and I'm here.04:00
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: What was the link for the ISO tests again?04:00
ScottK-laptopHow can paste in Konsole possibly not default to shift-insert?04:01
HobbseeScottK-laptop: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all04:01
ScottK-laptopThanks.04:02
Hobbseey/w04:02
ScottK-laptopMy initial reaction (this is my first time in KDE4) is how could the people who made such a beautiful desktop possibly have produced such a horrible start menu?04:03
Lex79ya :(04:04
Lex79waiting raptor http://raptor-menu.org/04:06
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: If one of the immutable test pages needs updating, where do we file that bug?04:11
HobbseeScottK-laptop: what needs changing?  I know i can do some edits.04:13
Hobbseei don't remember exactly, but i'd guess against ubuntu-qa, if that exists04:13
ScottK-laptopIn https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop it says to go to K-menu -> Multimedia -> Amarok, but as soon as you go to K-menu, Amarok is right there.04:18
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: ^^04:18
ScottK-laptopSo there's no need to go further, but if you did, it'd be K-menu -> Applications -> Multimedia -> Amarok04:19
a|wenisn't automake automatically run to create Makefile.in files etc. when building our kde packages04:19
a|wenor do you really need to run it manually before building04:20
ScottK-laptopIf it's a new upstream you need to run build-prep04:21
HobbseeScottK-laptop: edited.04:21
HobbseeScottK-laptop: (but that's a wiki, so i'm not sure why it's immutable, as such?)04:21
a|wenScottK-laptop: where do i find that?04:22
ScottK-laptopa|wen: Riddell told me about it.  I'm on a Live CD right now, so I don't have easy access to my notes.04:23
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: In any case Ubuntu wiki isn't currently editable by Konqueror, so I'm stuck anyway.04:23
HobbseeScottK-laptop: ahhh, right.04:23
a|wenScottK-laptop: hmm, strange ... apt-file gives me no results when searching for build-prep04:24
ScottK-laptopIt's not a file, it's a command04:24
ScottK-laptopIt's debian/rules target somehow.04:24
ScottK-laptopSo if I click on a link in konversation, it doesn't know what app should open.  It starts doing something because I get asked if I want to accept a cookie before the app selection window comes up.04:27
ScottK-laptopWhich package gets the blame for that?04:27
a|wenScottK-laptop: thx ... "debian/rules buildprep" looks to be it04:27
ScottK-laptopYeah.  That's it.04:27
ScottK-laptopAnd what's the official name for the horrible thing that traps the application menus so you can't see the entire list?04:30
a|wenthat buildprep thing is really making a mess of things04:31
a|wen... but seems that it is how it should be04:31
ScottK-laptopThis is KDE3 or KDE4?04:31
a|wenScottK-laptop: KDE304:31
ScottK-laptopKDE3 is pretty ugly.04:31
ScottK-laptopYeah.04:31
a|wenand when you start combining it with new components added in a patch it get's even worse, uff04:33
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: So if I have some bugs, but not serious ones, that counts as 'passed', right?04:33
HobbseeScottK-laptop: yes, i think so.04:33
ScottK-laptopOK.04:33
HobbseeScottK-laptop: the bugs will be looked at anyway04:33
ScottK-laptopRight.  I'll file the bugs after I reboot so I won't be stuck on a wired network.04:34
a|wenScottK-laptop: bug 262538 and status low = not a kde3.5.10 blocker?04:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26253804:38
a|weni've been looking at a partly fix from the kde svn ... but it seems to be somewhat unfinished04:41
ScottK2Well that was fun.04:43
a|wennobody seems to have test-builded it in it's current context ... it build-fails due to deprecated function use04:44
* a|wen takes this as a bad sign04:45
ScottK2Which package?04:46
a|wenkdepim04:46
ScottK2If this is updating the hardy-backport you shouldn't have needed to run build-prep again.04:46
ScottK2I did test build all of 3.5.10 before I uploaded it.04:47
a|wenScottK2: the fix looks to be a helper app migrating the dist lists ... adding that helper app and you need to do a buildprep04:48
ScottK2Ah.04:48
a|wenbut that helper app is anyway broken (use of deprecated functions)04:49
ScottK2I see.04:49
ScottK2It's kubuntu-default setting that own mime-type assignments, right?04:49
ScottK2-settings04:50
a|wenit contains some extra mime-types IIRC04:51
ScottK2OK.  What has the basic ones?04:54
ScottK2I'm trying to figure out who to blame that clicking on a link in Konversation it didn't know what app to use to open it.04:54
a|wenScottK2: kde3 or kde4 ?04:55
ScottK2KDE404:56
ScottK2Intrepid04:56
ScottK2Live CD04:56
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ScottK-laptopa|wen: ^^^04:57
a|wenthen that is a good question04:57
a|wenlooks to be distributed between a lot of packages in kde304:58
ScottK-laptopI'll go with kubuntu-meta and someone can change it from there.04:58
* a|wen goes to05:03
a|wen... bed05:03
a|wengoodnight all around05:03
ScottK-laptopGood night.05:08
ScottK-laptopHobbsee: I guess I'm done.  Only 4 new bugs filed.05:08
ArbyRiddell: Ubiquity proceeds all the way through and starts the install on todays desktop image (20080918)07:18
Arbyleaving the install running07:19
Arbygot to work now.07:19
Arbymorning all08:14
a|wenScottK-laptop: not much... but this is "the best of kde/svn" regarding kdepim in hardy-backports http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kdepim_3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2.debdiff08:35
a|wenScottK-laptop: i've also made a comment on bug 262538 ... i'm not confident in trying to fix this as it is atm08:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26253808:37
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yao_ziyuan1scim-bridge-client-qt4 doesn't work in ubuntu 8.04 + kde 4.1.110:50
yao_ziyuan1i hope intrepid can improve somewhat10:50
Hobbseeso, fix it?10:51
yao_ziyuan1the symptom is,10:52
yao_ziyuan1if you install kde 4.1.1 from ppa.launchpad.net,10:52
yao_ziyuan1and then you go to a gnome desktop and click Language Support10:53
yao_ziyuan1(before you install kde 4.1.1, you install ubuntu-desktop and in gnome's Language Support install Chinese and "Enable Input Methods")10:53
yao_ziyuan1after installing kde 4.1.1, you go to the same Language Support dialog box in gnome,10:54
yao_ziyuan1you will see the Chinese checkbox is now "partially checked", which is a [-],10:54
yao_ziyuan1and then you make it fully checked ( [v] ),10:54
yao_ziyuan1and then let it install the missing packages10:54
yao_ziyuan1it will automatically install scim-bridge-client-qt410:55
yao_ziyuan1to add scim support to kde4 apps10:55
yao_ziyuan1but this somehow doesn't work -- when  you log in to a kde4 session,10:55
yao_ziyuan1the system becomes extremely slow, to the extent that you can only ctrl+alt+bksp10:56
yao_ziyuan1if you press ctrl+esc, you will see many "scim-panel-gtk"10:56
yao_ziyuan1means its has run into a dead loop10:56
yao_ziyuan1the solution for now is to remove scim-bridge-client-qt410:58
yao_ziyuan1also, i found kubuntu-kde4-desktop is automatically removed by the last gnome language support action10:59
Riddelland gone11:10
apacheloggerA wonderful good morning.11:33
apacheloggerScottK: I don't even understand what that feature is about.11:35
apacheloggerRiddell: yao does that all the time11:36
jussi01apachelogger: good to hear :)11:38
Riddelldrive by IRC grumping11:39
apacheloggerhehe11:40
jussi01Riddell: thats the best description Ive heard of it... :D11:41
jussi01appmy comment was aimed at your first comment.. .D:11:41
jussi01and that smiley came out deformed...11:42
apachelogger*nod*11:42
apacheloggerYou should seek a doctor IMHO.11:42
apacheloggerThat doesn't look very healthy11:42
davmor2Arby: ping11:43
jussi01rofl11:43
* jussi01 should look at doing some contributions again...11:44
jussi01anyone got a few basic things that need doing?11:44
davmor2Riddell: are you testing any live kubuntu's?11:44
* apachelogger should go to the grocery and buy some motivation, then again that would require motivation..11:44
* jussi01 sends apachelogger some liquid motivation in the post.. :D11:45
apacheloggerThat is gonna take a while :S11:46
davmor2apachelogger: or a cattle prod11:46
apacheloggerHm, now I am sad.... those poor animals :(11:47
davmor2is anyone testing Kubuntu live at all?11:54
apacheloggerdavmor2: I think Riddell did yesterday12:11
Hobbseedavmor2: ScottK did some testing of it earlier.12:12
Hobbseedavmor2: i don't think anyone else did.12:12
davmor2:( needed to know if their installer exited correctly12:14
Riddelldavmor2: yes12:23
Riddellyes I'm testing12:23
Riddellno the installer didn't exit correctly and I also get an error about apt not being able to install packages from the CD12:24
davmor2Riddell: okay thanks.  Did you get bug 271693 too12:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271693 in ubiquity "Intrepid: ubiquity throws up an error message box part way throw the install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27169312:24
davmor2Riddell: cool ta :)12:24
Riddellyep, that's the one12:25
Hobbseedavmor2: actually, i think some of this mail i've gotten is related to a kubuntu install.12:25
davmor2:)12:25
Hobbseedavmor2: http://rafb.net/p/NptV5799.html12:26
davmor2Riddell: can you confirm please12:26
Riddelldavmor2: I don't suppose ubuntu does the same?12:27
davmor2ubiquity is exting correctly yes but it also suffers from the error message12:28
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Riddelldavmor2: is bug 27042312:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270423 in ubiquity "[kde] doesn't show dialog after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27042312:36
davmor2yeap12:36
davmor2cjwatson let me know on ubuntu-installer :)12:37
Riddellah, that's where you all hide :)12:38
JontheEchidnagood morning12:48
davmor2Riddell: \o/ oem looks pretty again :)13:07
davmor2Riddell: more import it works too :)13:07
seeleRiddell: dfaure says default size ought to be fixed in the code and not the config file but there isn't really time for that13:14
seeleRiddell: should we still use the config file to fix some of the app default sizes? some like System Monitor could really use it, regardless of the icon layout13:15
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* apachelogger thinks about getting a KDE EULA :P13:30
apacheloggerNCommander: what is the REVU patch status?13:40
apacheloggersmarter: did you apply for MOTU yet?13:40
NCommanderapachelogger: you didn't send it to me13:40
apacheloggerI even uploaded it!13:40
NCommanderyou did?13:41
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/oxygen.patch13:41
apacheloggeryus13:41
ScottKapachelogger: I don't know anything other than what's in Bug 271485.  It smells to me like another "Let's make Gnome people get some new kewl thing, but oops we forgot to tell Riddell so KDE could too." situation.13:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271485 in nautilus-python "need backport of location widget feature for intrepid" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27148513:41
NCommanderI thought I asked for a bazaar tree ;-)13:41
ScottKMaybe Riddell knows/can find out?13:41
apacheloggerScottK: I completely agree on that.13:42
apacheloggerNCommander: that is a bazaar tree patch :P13:42
apacheloggerNCommander: you can merge it like any branch13:42
apacheloggerJust that I don't have to create a branch just to get you these changes ;-)13:42
Arbydavmor2:  belated pong13:42
NCommanderI need breakfast13:43
ScottKdavmor2: AFAICT when I rand the LiveCD everything installer related was fine.13:43
NCommandermorning ScottK13:44
ScottKHeya.13:44
NCommanderhow goes it?13:45
rgreeningmorning all :)13:51
ScottKNot in a way I'm willing to describe on a logged channel.13:51
ScottKHeya13:51
* rgreening wishes he stopped for coffee this AM13:51
Riddelldavmor2: great, thanks for testing oem13:55
Riddellseele: yes changing in the config file seems best for intrepid13:56
* jussi01 hugs ScottK13:56
ScottK-laptopThanks.13:56
jussi01ScottK-laptop: do you have 2 machines next to each other there?13:57
jussi01:D13:57
ScottK-laptopYes.  Desktop is on my desk.  Laptop is on my lap.13:57
RiddellScottK-laptop: I've no idea what that bug is about13:57
ScottK-laptopOK.  If you're able it might be worth inquiring after as I suspect it's a warning of a future "How come I can do this in Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu" thing.13:58
ScottK-laptopseele/Riddell: Is there anything that can be done about the application lists being 'trapped' and having to scroll all the time?13:58
ScottK-laptopYesterday when I was doing live CD testing was my first KDE4 experience and that was the only thing that gave me a "Dear God, no." kind of reaction.13:59
RiddellScottK-laptop: which application list?14:00
ScottK-laptopKeeping in mind that I generally hate change, BTW, that's a huge good sign for KDE4.14:00
ScottK-laptopRiddell: When you click on the K menu, then click on the Application icon14:00
ScottK-laptopThere's a list bounded at the top with a search bar that contains the catagories/apps14:01
ScottK-laptopOnce I clicked through to the application lists they virtually never fit in the space and I had to scroll.14:01
Riddellthat's how it's supposed to be14:01
ScottK-laptopReally?14:01
ScottK-laptopI think that makes it much harder to find applications.14:02
Riddellit's a bit late to rewrite kickoff now, but we will be looking at alternatives for jaunty14:02
ScottK-laptopOK.14:02
Riddellyes, the idea (from suse) is that it makes the things you need most often quick to find and cares less about the things you need less.  or something.14:02
ScottK-laptopOh dear, that's even worse then.14:02
ScottK-laptopSo not only is it hiding stuff, it moves it around.14:03
* ScottK-laptop was hoping there was some kind of "make_kickoff_usable=True" thing we could do or something.14:04
ScottK-laptopseele: Is this considered good usability?14:04
ScottK-laptopI've still got all the 3.5.10 packages installed for testing and in KDE3 the Utilities section is almost two full columns on my laptop, but it's all immediately visible and accesible.14:06
ScottK-laptopUrgh.14:06
rgreeningwhy the the ALT+SysRq not work under KDE414:07
Riddellyou mean print screen r?14:08
rgreeningYa, for Magic SysReq to reboot on lock.. Doesn't work14:09
rgreeningAlt+PrintScreen+R+S+E+I+U+B14:09
rgreeningAny ideas on how to fix/troubleshoot?14:09
rgreeningand can anyone verify on their system14:10
rgreeningthat's it's not an isolated case14:10
Riddellnope but assigning printscreen to ksnapshot somehow has been requiested14:10
rgreeningwell, ALT+SysRq would be a diff keycode14:10
rgreeningwhere sysrq is the Print key14:11
rgreeningAlt+PrintScreen must stay as Alt+SysRq in meaning. Too many docs on how to recover using the magic key14:12
rgreeningthoughts14:12
rgreeningUsed to work under Hardy/KDE314:14
rgreeningperfectly14:14
davmor2Riddell: have you looked at the test results?14:14
rgreeningcould it be the compositing engine settings for key mapping has altered something?14:14
seeleScottK-laptop: i've had a long standing enmity with kickoff14:15
seeleand from what i know about kickoff code, changing anythign simple is not a simple task14:16
ScottK-laptopseele: OK.  Any suggested alternatives?14:16
seelenot at the moment, people say lancelot is nice but i havent used it too much14:17
ScottK-laptopOK.  Thanks.14:17
ScottK-laptopDo we have that in the archive?14:19
ScottK-laptopIs it plasmoid-lancelot or is that something different?14:20
rgreeningI think my system key mapping must be broken. Should hitting printscreen launch ksnapshot by default?14:22
rgreeningit used to14:22
* rgreening considers a fresh install...14:23
Riddellthat is a known problem fixes welcome14:23
rgreeningah. bug reports?14:24
JontheEchidnaScottK-laptop: plasmoid-lancelot is indeed lancelot14:24
Riddelldavmor the iso test results?14:24
ScottK-laptopJontheEchidna: Thanks.14:24
davmor2Riddell: yes you got a few red bugs :(14:24
rgreeningI don't mind looking into it more. I thought I was losing my mind14:25
davmor2I've closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/271601 as it's two apps not the same one :)14:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 271601 in adept "KDE 4.1.1/Intrepid - Adept appears twice in K menu" [Undecided,Invalid]14:25
apacheloggerseele: Lancelot still got some rough edges. I prefere kickoff currently.14:25
apacheloggerdavmor2: well, we need to do something either way14:26
apacheloggerupdater doesn't really need to be in the menu14:26
apacheloggerand the installer should be in the toplevel and not some submenu14:26
apacheloggeractually the installer should be added to the computer tab as well14:26
davmor2apachelogger: true but then the complaint was that they were the same and they're not :)14:26
apacheloggerwell, you could have changed it :P14:27
apacheloggerWho is available for some powerdevil testing'?14:27
ScottK-laptopdavmor2: That's my bug.  Then the bug is that there's no way without clicking to tell what's what as they are labled identically.14:28
ScottK-laptopdavmor2: If the are different, then that difference should be apparent.  It certainly wasn't to me.14:29
ScottK-laptopIIRC I said that in the bug.14:29
ScottK-laptopEither way it's wrong.14:29
davmor2ScottK-laptop: they're not they are both labled differently and when you hover over them the text displayed is also different14:30
davmor2they do need icons though14:30
ScottK-laptopOK.  I looked at and hovered over both and noticed no difference.14:31
ScottK-laptopIf it's different, it's too subtle.14:31
davmor2I think it is because the icons are missing that make it more apparent.  If you look at the text the only word the same is package :)14:32
ScottK-laptopMy recollection is the text was the same, but perhaps not.  If I reboot into the LiveCD again, I'll double check.14:33
davmor2like I say if one had an icon of an up arrow and the other a gift box or something you probably wouldn't of noticed the text at all :)14:35
rgreeningI assume Intrepid will stay with KDE4.1. Will 4.2 get back ported?14:38
jtechidnathere will probably be backports available from the Kubuntu Members KDE4 ppa like with 4.1 in this cycle14:39
rgreeningRiddell: what are your plans for qtjambi in Intrepid?14:49
Riddellrgreening: hope that the new version gets packaged somehow14:49
apacheloggerOo14:49
rgreeninglol... besides that. It'll be done TODAY! If I have any control over it :) getting close now14:50
* apachelogger turns up justice and starts patching kdesvn-kde4 14:50
rgreeningRiddell: I have the basic debian rules, control, etc just about complete.14:51
rgreeningRiddell: I was wondering what apps or utils (current/future) that will benefit in Intrepid (if there are any plans)14:51
rgreeningqtjambi is certainly fast... for java14:52
Riddellrgreening: I don't know of any that use it, but most commercial Qt usage is private and the guys at trolltech are very keep for us to have it packaged so I suspect there are people who need it even if not yet in free software14:52
Riddells/very keep/suspiciously keen/14:53
rgreeninglol14:53
rgreeningI should have a test deb(s) sometime today (if all goes well) for you to tear apart and help me make better/complete14:54
rgreeningha14:54
rgreeningRiddell: this will be my first deb package.. and from scratch. I'll be impressed when it works .. lol14:55
Riddellgood luck14:57
rgreeningty14:57
rgreeningbug ya later... gonna do some tweaking on it now14:57
NCommanderhey Riddell15:00
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Did you see my message to kubuntu-devel about khelpcenter/khelpcenter4?15:01
jtechidnawhat does NBS mean?15:02
NCommanderNot-built from source15:02
RiddellScottK-laptop: don't think so15:13
ScottK-laptopRiddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-September/002473.html15:14
* apachelogger wanted to answer that mail 4 times15:15
apacheloggeralways ended up kicking gnupg for screwing with the agent15:15
ScottK-laptopapachelogger: What's your answer then?15:16
apacheloggerScottK-laptop: Find out why debian add a 4, and get debian to drop it again in the most likely case that there is no real reason.15:17
apacheloggerotherwise we might want to go with the transitional package which is IMHO an easier maintainable diff15:17
ScottK-laptopWe already need a transitional package for Intrepid either way.  Hardy has both khelpcenter and khelpcenter4.15:19
ScottK-laptopIf we look at the package naming conventions we generally use, I think adding the 4 only made sense when it was needed co-installable.15:19
apacheloggera replaces/conflicts should take care of this IMO15:19
ScottK-laptopNo.15:20
apacheloggerWhy not?15:20
ScottK-laptopActually it may.15:20
apacheloggerWe really would need a transitional package for every -kde4 one.15:20
ScottK-laptopUsually one needs the transitional package to depend on the new one to force it's install.15:21
apacheloggerYes, it will be the case I think15:21
ScottK-laptopIn this case we can rely on the meta package to do that.15:21
ScottK-laptopSo kubuntu-deskop will drag in the new packages and the replaces/conflicts will push the old ones out.15:22
ScottK-laptopI'd prefer khelpcenter over khelpcenter4, but mostly make sure we clearly pick one and move in that direction.15:23
* apachelogger advocates khelpcenter as well15:23
* apachelogger -> cooking15:23
ScottK-laptopRiddell: ^^?15:26
Riddellprefer renaming the package?15:40
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rgreeningRiddell: qtjambi requires libphonon_gstreamer.so but I can't seem to locate a package for it.. ideas?15:59
Riddellrgreening: phonon-backend-gstreamer16:01
Riddell/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so16:01
rgreeningah. right. Now I remember you mentioning it. I forgot to make a note in my log. Thanks16:02
rgreeningMy locate wasn't updated... stupid updatedb being outdated :)16:03
rgreeningSo, should this be under KDE4? or Qt4?16:03
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Right.  Should we use khelpcenter or stick with khelpcenter4?16:04
Riddellit's khelpcenter4 in Debian to make kdebase-runtime co-installable with kde 316:05
Riddellmy natural inclination is to keep as close to debian has possible16:05
Riddellso add a khelpcentre transitional package and keep khelpcentre4 as the real thing16:06
ScottK-laptopOK.16:06
ScottK-laptopBug filed: Bug #27177916:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271779 in kdebase-runtime "Add khelpcenter -> khelpcenter4 transitional package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27177916:10
ScottKRiddell: Are you good with the SRU proposal in Bug 271655?  If so I'll upload it?16:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271655 in kde-guidance "[SRU req.] nvidia driver detection broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27165516:21
RiddellScottK: when was that file moved?  before hardy was released presumably?16:24
ScottKDunno.  a|wen or maybe tseliot would be good to ask.16:25
RiddellScottK: well regardless, if that's where the file is the fix is fine16:25
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Uploaded to hardy-proposed.16:49
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apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot142.png17:17
apacheloggeroh17:18
apacheloggeruh17:18
* apachelogger got invited to a tea party17:18
apacheloggerNightrose: did you ever attend a tea party?17:19
Nightroseapachelogger: hehe nope17:20
apacheloggerme neither17:20
rafaelmfhi, I was trying recompile kdebase-dev (3.5.9) from hardy repo but an error ocurred on kubuntu_9922_kio_man_utf8.diff17:25
rafaelmf"trying reverse patch debian/patch... 1 ... 0 ... 2 failure17:26
rafaelmfsomeone could give a tip to resolve?17:27
Arbykonqueror17:29
Arbyoops sorry17:29
Riddellrafaelmf: patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_9922_kio_man_utf8.diff17:34
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rgreeningRiddell: Is phonon_gstreamer.so supposed to be the same as libphonon_gstreamer.so?18:08
rgreeningcause qtjambi is looking for libphonon_gstreamer.so and not phonon_gstreamer.so18:08
Riddellrgreening: I suspect that's the difference between qt's phonon build and kde's phonon build18:10
rgreeninghmm... so, q... do we need a diff package or do we need to trick the build system to use phonon_gstreamer.so instead18:11
NCommanderhey Riddell18:12
* rgreening bangs head against wall. I hate ANT18:29
NCommanderrgreening: What's wrong with ANT18:34
NCommanderIt's a maginitude better then autofun18:34
rgreeningI'll rephrase: I hate braindead applications that do not allow you to easily overrid simple file names :)18:35
rgreeningHA18:35
rgreeningNCommander: if you can help... I have qtjambi 4.4.0 and the build.xml file is looking for libphonon_gstreamer.so but we have it installed as phonon_gstreamer.so. Trying to finx a way to hack the buld.xml to look for  ours18:36
NCommanderwhere is the source package?18:37
rgreening1 sec18:42
rgreeninghttp://trolltech.com/developer/download/qtjambi-src-gpl-4.4.0_01.tar.gz18:44
rgreeningI know some java but only vaguely aware of ant... so, I may be missing something obvious.18:45
* rgreening ponders: "the only good ant is a dead one"18:53
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goatsocksrgreening: if you'd seen the monstrosities i'd created by mangling ant you'd call the exterminator19:03
* goatsocks doesn't do java these days thankfully19:03
rgreeninggoatsocks: maybe you can help then19:03
goatsockswell i can take a look at it... but i won't like it ;)19:03
* rgreening hands goatsocks an piping hot cup of java19:03
goatsocksso just a lib name19:03
* goatsocks digs19:04
goatsockswhat's jambi btw19:04
rgreeningyeah.. the build.xml specifies a property of library which I guess forces the file to look for the name with a prefix of lib19:04
rgreeningqtjambi - qt java19:04
goatsocksjava bindings then?19:05
rgreeningpretty much.. and more19:08
goatsocksrgreening: ok ant is appending "lib" to the specified name?19:12
rgreeningyeah. I need it to look for phonon_gstreamer.so and not libphonon_gstreamer.so19:12
rgreening<library name="phonon_gstreamer" type="plugin" rootPath="${qtjambi.qtdir}" subdir="plugins/phonon_backend" load="never" if="${qtjambi.phonon_gstreamer}" />19:13
rgreeningthat's the line19:13
goatsocksrgreening: yeah they wrote their own custom subset of ant tasks and that's where the "lib" gets appended (not in build.xml)19:18
rgreeninggrrr...19:19
goatsocksrgreening: com/trolltech/tools/ant/LibraryEntry.java19:19
rgreening1 sec. Let me look19:19
rgreeningthat's rude19:20
rgreeninglol19:20
goatsockswell it's common practice for large projects19:20
goatsocksbecause ant core is somewhat lame19:21
rgreeningso... wondering what to do...19:21
goatsockswe patch that, leaving the default "lib" behavior, but also adding checks without "lib"19:21
goatsocksotherwise it would likely break the other libs19:21
rgreeningI was hoping to avoid to much messing with their code..19:22
rgreeningI'l dig a little more19:23
goatsocksthis code is only an extension of ant, so it's really no different than changing build.xml19:23
goatsocksit's not a part of qtjambi proper19:23
rgreeningtrue19:23
rgreeningjust need to figure out where to insert check/change.19:24
rgreeningI guess I could be specific and say if phonon_gstreamer.so... not sure though.19:24
goatsocksgimme a bit to look at it, i think we may be able to override the behavior in build.xml without having to patch any *.java stuff19:24
rgreeningAWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!19:25
rgreening:)19:25
stdinooh, Qt 4.4.2 is out today19:28
goatsocksrgreening: can you try symlinking libphonon_grstreamer.so to phonon_gstreamer.so and tell me if any other libs are broken during build?19:36
rgreeningyeah. Building it now. There are some other things I have to fix with symlinks. e.g. system wants to find all the libQt*.* in /usr/share/qt4/lib and not /usr/lib where we put them19:38
rgreeningI still have to figure out if we should update the packages to put the symlink there or try and patch the build system to look in /usr/lib...19:39
goatsockswha... why would it look in /usr/share for libs?19:39
rgreeningwell, it looks in QTDIR var which is /usr/share/qt419:39
goatsocksah19:40
rgreeningQTDIR is an env var you set. It has to point to /usr/share/qt4 (believe me) as QTDIR in the build looks for everything Qt4 related there19:40
rgreeningincludes, lib, bin, etc19:40
rgreeningso... no link to lib there.... and it wouldn't build19:40
rgreeningI could patch the lookup I guess. though not sure what else may break19:41
goatsocksyou could hardcode QTDIR into build.xml19:41
rgreeningno. QTDIR has to point to /usr/share/qt4 as it's used by the xml file for all Qt stuff. You couldn't hardcode it to anything else that wouldn;t break other things like include files19:42
rgreeninghad that issue already19:42
goatsocksright19:42
rgreeningit's a real pain19:42
rgreeninghmmm....19:43
stdincould we not just add a link 'lib -> ../../lib' to /usr/share/qt4/ quite easily?19:43
rgreeningyes/no19:44
goatsockswell on the lib+foo issue we're really boxed in by their custom ant tasks, leaving us with either symlinking or adding a line to LibraryEntry.java19:44
goatsockssymlinking is kinda bad because qtjambi package doesn't own phonon_gstreamer.so19:44
goatsocksphonon would be the proper package to do that in imo19:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, Nightrose: pling19:46
rgreeningexactly.. so either the package with the lib needs ot provide alt symlinks or I need to hack QtJambi... it's a toss up. Though, I may have an ide...19:46
Nightroseapachelogger: plong19:46
goatsocksi'm not seeing any way to override in build.xml, so that leaves patching LibraryEntry.java as the least dirty thing to do19:46
apacheloggerNightrose: got time to take kdesvn-kde4 for a test ride?19:46
Nightroseapachelogger: package? wohoooo19:46
Nightrosethink so19:46
claydohis there a FAQ somewhere about kde3/kde4/intrepid et al?19:46
apacheloggerNightrose: intrepid or hardy?19:46
Nightroseno time but meh :P19:46
Nightrosewill test19:46
Nightrosehardy19:46
claydohaif not do we need one?19:46
goatsocksif the situation were the other way around -- we had libphonon_gstreamer and they were merely looking for phonon_gstreamer -- build.xml would be a cinch19:47
apacheloggerNightrose: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17733881/kdesvn-kde4_0.1+svn20080918-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1_i386.deb19:47
Nightroseapachelogger: k - downloading and installing19:47
stdinclaydoh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo and links from there19:48
claydohdoh19:48
rgreeninggoatsocks: it passed the libphonon point, but fails in library.native.bundle:19:49
rgreeningjava.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/rgreening/Programming/ubuntu/qtjambi/qtjambi-4.4.0/lib/libcom_trolltech_qt_phonon.so (No such file or directory)19:49
rgreeningnot building the qtjambi_phonon library...19:49
rgreeninghmm19:49
rafaelmfis it normal -backports repositories not have all sources? kdebase-dev (3.5.10) on hardy-backport doesnt have a respective source19:50
stdinrafaelmf: do you have a deb-src line for it?19:50
Nightroseapachelogger: it unsinstalls my kde3 kdesvn?19:50
rafaelmfyep19:50
apacheloggerNightrose: hm19:51
apacheloggeryes :P19:51
Nightrosemeh19:51
* apachelogger starts fixx0ring19:51
stdinrafaelmf: what's the error you're getting?19:51
Nightrosek19:51
rafaelmfstdin: i am trying compile kdebase 3.5.10, but on deb-src...hardy-backports it doesnt exist19:53
rafaelmfso, i'm not able to compile19:53
stdinrafaelmf: it does, I just downloaded it19:53
Nightroseapachelogger: other than that it looks good19:53
rafaelmfstdin: from bzr?19:53
apacheloggerNightrose: does it worky?19:54
stdinrafaelmf: no, from "apt-get source kdebase-dev", bzr only has the debian/ dir19:54
* apachelogger isn't much of an kdesvn user19:54
NCommanderrafaelmf, are you sure you have the right package name?19:54
Nightroseapachelogger: looks like it - don't have anything to commit right now - but updating works19:54
NCommander(i.e., do you see it on packages.ubuntu.com)19:54
Nightroseapachelogger: (a kde3 svn checkout that is)19:54
apacheloggerokies19:54
claydohstdin: I am collecting some of the more common questiions I see about intrepid/kde4 and seeing about making a faq for them19:55
apacheloggerNightrose: thank you19:55
Nightrose;-) yw19:55
goatsocksrgreening: it looks like the symlink is a bad idea too then, one sec and i'll have a patch for ya19:55
rgreeningwow. kool!19:55
rgreeningyes, Kool with a K19:56
rgreening:)19:56
stdinclaydoh: there isn't exactly a FAQ about that, only developer resources on the wiki19:56
Nightroseclaydoh: link to the official KDE KDE4 faq19:56
claydohso i better get to work in it then :)19:56
claydohNightrose: now that would be too easy :)19:56
Nightrose(for upstream questions)19:56
Nightrosehehe19:56
* apachelogger doens't like upstream anyway19:57
* Nightrose doesn't believe apachelogger 19:57
Nightrose;-)19:57
* apachelogger doesn't believe apachelogger either19:57
stdinnext you'll tell us you don't believe in Santa either!19:58
stdinit's insanity!!19:58
apacheloggerinsanity is dead19:58
apacheloggerthey broke her19:58
Nightroseit's dead, jim!19:58
apacheloggereven though I warned them19:58
apacheloggerI told them like years ago that insanity should at least be chrooted19:59
apacheloggerno one listened19:59
apacheloggerand now she is dead19:59
stdinI break ubottu every other day, but at least I have the sense to fix it after ;)19:59
apacheloggeroh, right, they don't do backups either19:59
Nightroseapachelogger: wouldn't have been a problem if oggy had made a proper backup...19:59
apacheloggerI think the backup script also got lost19:59
apacheloggerNightrose: I wrote a backup script19:59
* Nightrose headdesks19:59
apacheloggerI just didn't cron it because I didn't have access at that time20:00
Nightrosedoh20:00
stdinthe good thing about having access to ubottu's server, I can add the cron job to backup myself20:00
apacheloggernever trust anyone if it is about backups ;-)20:00
stdinwe even have backups of some backups20:00
* apachelogger doesn't trust anyone anyway20:00
apacheloggerso20:01
goatsocksrgreening: this is still kinda kludgy but hopefully it'll move you past the current build hiccup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48121/plain/20:01
apacheloggerWhat could I blog about?20:01
rafaelmfstdin: yes, its true. with apt-get source it downloads kdebase-dev 3.5.10, but (on same sources.list) with apt-build  is downloaded 3.5.9, you know why?20:01
rgreeninggoatsocks: that's what I was thinking too... haha20:02
goatsocksrgreening: dirty minds think alike20:02
stdinrafaelmf: I don't know, I'd use "apt-get -b source ...". never used apt-build20:03
rgreeningyeah. I was hoping to avoid too many kludges. But, just to get this built is the main thing first.... clean up after.20:04
goatsocksrgreening: exactly... i suspect there may be a larger build issue encompassing this, so don't want to prematurely spend too much time trying to fix it the "right" way20:05
stdinrafaelmf: probably a bug in apt-build20:05
rgreeningyep. they expect include, lib, bin to all be in one place. and then they code qtdir and hardcode the lookup in the function calls. it's poorly written build system20:06
rgreeningit should be QTLIB, QTBIN and QTINC for ex20:07
rgreeningwhich can be equal but not necessarily20:07
rafaelmfstdin: ok, i'll try now with apt-get20:08
rafaelmfthanks20:10
* apachelogger should become openbsd dood20:10
rgreeninggoatsocks: java didn't like the case20:14
goatsocksrgreening: oof, can you pastebin the output?20:15
rgreeninghttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48126/20:16
goatsocksdoh, lame compiler20:16
goatsocksrgreening: try putting it in a proper if {} then {} block20:17
goatsockser if {} else {}20:17
rgreeninglol20:21
* apachelogger thinks he should write a compiler in ruby20:23
jjessecaused you have nothing else to do20:23
apacheloggerexactly20:24
goatsocksif there's one thing i loathe more than java, it's ruby!20:25
goatsocksno that's not true... i loath myself the most~!20:25
goatsocks*loathe20:25
goatsocksbeecuz i kaint speel20:25
rgreeninglol20:33
apacheloggerhm20:35
apacheloggerqt 4.4.2 is out20:35
apacheloggerand no one told me20:35
rgreeningI decided to make a symlink for libphonon_gstreamer.so in /usr/share/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend instead to see if that gets me further along. I think in the long run, having phonon and Qt libraries provide symlinks may be the preferable way to go.20:35
apacheloggerNightrose: what could I blog about?20:41
Nightroseapachelogger: a happy Nightrose? ;-)20:41
Nightroseor kdesvn-kde4?20:42
apacheloggerOo20:42
Nightroseor something we need for kubuntu?20:42
apacheloggerwhat exactly did you do with kdesvn-kde4?20:42
apacheloggerOo20:42
Nightrosei didn't do much with kdesvn-kde420:42
apacheloggerwell, it certainly made you happy20:42
Nightroseopen my old repo and update it20:42
Nightroseand brows a little20:42
Nightrose*browse20:42
Nightrosenah20:42
Nightrosethat didn't make me happy :P20:43
apacheloggerwell, yeah, not a happy happy20:43
apacheloggermore a special kind of happy20:43
apacheloggerright20:43
* apachelogger thinks about that and ewwwws20:43
apacheloggergeeks20:43
Nightrosenah I had a visitor the last two days -> happy nixternal20:44
Nightrosemeh20:44
NightroseNightrose even20:44
claydohlol20:44
apacheloggernixternal visited you?20:44
apacheloggerOo20:44
Nightrose*lol*20:44
NightroseI knew it...20:45
apacheloggerwell20:45
apacheloggerI didn't20:45
goatsocksrgreening: i almost finished the build... with my patch and: JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt4 ant20:45
goatsocksrgreening: but it bailed with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48140/plain/20:45
apacheloggerTBH, I would be a lot more happy if that wouldn't have changed20:45
goatsocksrgreening: have you gotten that far?20:45
rgreeninglet me check20:45
Nightroseapachelogger: hehe got a visitor now?20:45
apacheloggerme?20:46
Nightroseah nvm20:46
Nightrose;-)20:46
goatsocksrgreening: admittedly i haven't read the build docs, so i may not have the proper libs installed20:47
rgreeninggoatsocks: oh, I get about 27 minutes into the compile :) I think further along...20:47
apacheloggerNickNak: you still got a visitor? Oo20:47
goatsocksseems to be a version related error20:47
apacheloggerNightrose even20:47
goatsocks27 minutes?!?20:48
goatsockswtf is this thing, a browser?20:48
Nightroseapachelogger: nope :(  he left20:48
rgreeninglol20:48
apacheloggerso20:48
apacheloggerwhere is nixternal?!20:48
goatsocksdoes it use openoffice as a plugin?20:48
rgreeninggoatsocks: well my system is only a 1.67GHz Centrino20:48
goatsocksmy lappy is 1.67 GHz... but Core 2 Duo ;)20:49
rgreeninggoatsocks: QTDIR=/usr/share/qt420:49
goatsocksyeah i know, i'll read the build docs ;)20:49
apachelogger[Build #719353] amd64 build of mozilla-plugin-plasma 0.1~git20080918-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 in ubuntu hardy RELEASE (kubuntu-experimental PPA)20:49
apacheloggerOo20:50
apacheloggerwhat an awful day20:50
apacheloggerNightrose: do you have some unused motivation?20:50
Nightroseapachelogger: nope - all motivation sucked in by huge email backlog :(20:50
* apachelogger got a bug email backlog :P20:51
rgreeninggoatsocks.. can I e-mail you something?20:51
goatsocksrgreening: yeah, addy is on my lp page for ~goatsocks20:53
rgreeninggoatsocks: here.. read this http://paste.ubuntu.com/48142/20:53
rgreeningit's my readme20:53
rgreening:)20:53
rgreeningshould help immensley. there are NO docs20:54
goatsocksyeah they really need an ant distclean target, but that's upstream's job not ours20:54
goatsockslots of .log and .java cruft20:55
goatsockshowever, i guess if you're packaging it for ubuntu, you do need to make sure rules cleans all that junk20:55
* apachelogger hands Nightrose, rgreening and goatsocks a cookie20:56
* goatsocks has never submitted packages to ubuntu20:56
goatsocksapachelogger: nomnomnom20:56
* Nightrose munches the cookie20:57
NCommanderScottK, I got sudo access on a HPPA machine20:58
NCommander:-)20:58
NCommanderI can now resolve HPPA FTBFS20:58
goatsocksrgreening: which version of libqt4-dev do you have?20:58
rgreeningmmm cookie.20:58
* apachelogger wonders if NCommander commited the oxygen stuff yet20:58
rgreening1 sec..checking20:58
NCommanderapachelogger, been a little busy. I don't have a local REVU installation anymore to test your changes20:59
rgreeninglibqt4-dev_4.4.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb20:59
apacheloggerNCommander: please poke rainct with it ;-)20:59
goatsocksrgreening: ok same here... must be something else21:00
rgreeningdid you read the paste?21:02
goatsocksrgreening: yeah21:02
rgreeningso... 26 minutes later and the build failed21:03
goatsocksheh, at least ant is incremental21:03
rgreeninggoatsocks: in library.native.bundle21:03
rgreeningit knows about phonon, and can find phon but can't seem to link to it.21:04
rgreeninggoatsocks: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/rgreening/Programming/ubuntu/qtjambi/qtjambi-4.4.0/lib/libcom_trolltech_qt_phonon.so (No such file or directory)21:04
rgreeningnever bult the package21:04
goatsocksdamn21:04
rgreeningI think phonon is borked in it21:05
goatsocksour patch is worthless, because we seem to be giving it the wrong library entirely21:05
goatsocksbest stub out the phonon functionality for now?21:05
JontheEchidnaphonon in kde is different than qt phonon21:05
goatsocksoh yeah21:05
JontheEchidnawell, not entirely different21:06
rgreeningJontheEchidna: it is? crud. Is there a package for it?21:06
JontheEchidnanope, not built21:06
goatsocksJontheEchidna: kde4 will be relying on qt's in the future though right?21:06
JontheEchidnagoatsocks: dunno21:06
rgreeningdamn. I need it. Is there source?21:07
rgreeningI can see me having to build it21:07
rgreeningdoh21:07
JontheEchidnawell, it's in the qt4-x11 source package21:07
JontheEchidnait's just not built21:07
goatsocksrgreening: i guess that's what the "lib" prefix was for21:07
rgreeningoh... so with qt 4.4.2 just released, can someone package the phonon bits :)21:08
rgreeninghehe21:08
rgreeningRiddell: around?21:09
JontheEchidnaiirc there are several other pure-Qt apps that need Qt phonon21:09
* rgreening kicks himself in the behind21:11
* rgreening invites others to join him21:11
goatsocksdon't be too hard on yourself... i knew about two phonons, it just didn't occur to me ;)21:12
rgreeninggoatsocks: so, removing the symlinks for phonon.. see what happens21:12
rgreeninglol21:12
rgreeningI asked indirectly yesterday.. just never got the "right" answer. lol21:12
rgreeningwell, it wasn't a complete waste of time. learned more about ant21:13
goatsocksi've been in a brainfog all week21:13
rgreeningAll I want is to work on ubuntu full time and give up my current job21:13
rgreening:)21:13
goatsocksrgreening: maybe you can create an opening for yourself at canonical by getting someone there fired? ;)21:14
rgreeninglol21:14
goatsocksmake it look nonchalant... blog about seeing them in public holding hands with GregKH or something21:15
rgreeningheh21:15
* goatsocks just frightened himself21:15
rgreeningor they liked the MS (Bill/Sienfeld commercials)21:15
rgreeningapachelogger: around?21:16
JontheEchidnargreening: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/9/15/21:16
goatsockshaha21:17
rgreeningI agree WTF :)21:17
rgreeninghaha21:17
rgreeningso, any reason there isn't a package of QtPhonon yet?21:19
rgreeningissues?21:19
JontheEchidnaprobably something to do with KDE phonon21:20
JontheEchidnaperhaps an oversight21:20
* JontheEchidna shrugs21:20
apacheloggermy21:26
apacheloggerdisplay21:26
apacheloggeris21:27
apacheloggerblue21:27
apachelogger-.-21:27
* apachelogger hates mplayer21:27
goatsocksapachelogger: using the intel driver?21:28
goatsocksrgreening: qt4's debian/rules, line 111: -no-phonon \21:31
goatsocksrgreening: nothing about it in changelog though :(21:31
rgreeninghmmm...21:31
apacheloggergoatsocks: yus21:32
rgreeningmayhap I may get it and mod a build for myself and see what happends21:32
apacheloggerrgreening: now I am around21:32
rgreeninghey21:32
rgreeningwho is packaging Qt? and can we get phonon in Qt or are there issues with using it with KDE's?21:32
rgreeningapachelogger: any idea? just asking as you meantioned it earlier in the channel21:33
rgreening:)21:33
rgreeningpoke-poke21:33
apachelogger*shrug*21:33
apacheloggerI really think the stand-alone phonon is more up-to-date21:33
rgreeningKDE or Qt?21:34
apacheloggerthere is no KDE phonon21:34
apacheloggerphonon is independent of both21:34
rgreeningoh.. ok. At any rate, I can't get the one we have to work with qtjambi21:34
apacheloggerand since Qt probably only ships a snapshot, I assume the stand-alone one is more up-to-date21:34
apacheloggerrgreening: what is the problem?21:34
goatsocksapachelogger: a little trick you can use with mplayer and intel to switch select the xv overlay output (the bluescreen) or the xv textured (gl) output: mplayer -vo xv:port=FOO, where FOO is 82 for overlay and 66 for textured21:35
rgreeningapachelogger: qtjambi fails at building any pary related to phonon.21:35
rgreeningand no discernable reason for it21:35
apacheloggergoatsocks: that in itself is insane21:36
rgreeningit requires libphonon and libphonon_gstreamer.so21:36
* apachelogger purged mplayer21:36
goatsocksapachelogger: it works with xine too (and phonon-xine) but the syntax is a little different21:36
Riddellapachelogger: there is a Qt phonon, it's the version that comes with Qt, which is slightly different from the one that we use from kdesupport21:37
rgreeningRiddell: hellllllooooo! :)21:37
rgreeningRiddell: so, phonon in qtjambi appears to be a no show with the current system packaged version.21:37
apacheloggerRiddell: I think I don't like Qt phonon very much then.21:37
rgreeningI've tried everyting21:38
apacheloggergoatsocks: xine doesn't turn my display blue21:38
* apachelogger gets an authentification module for his rails project21:38
rgreeningRiddel: I can build qtjambi is I exclude phonon, but not if it's there.21:39
goatsocksi'm pretty sure the qtjambi guys intended for qt phonon to be used, but maybe they can be persuaded to allow the standalone21:40
rgreeningRiddell: I'm thinking I should send you a copy of what I have done and let you have a quick peek.21:40
Riddellrgreening: ok21:40
rgreeningI can tar up the debian dir and the BUILD text info for you. what address should I mail to?21:41
goatsockspreferably one that accepts attachments > 10 MB ;)21:42
rgreeningit's only the debian dir, not the source. 84k21:46
rgreening:>21:46
Riddellrgreening: put it on a web server somewhere21:48
goatsocksrgreening: just another thought... since the build process is generating jni-enabled classes from c++ then sun's jdk may be the best to get a baseline off of21:50
rgreeningdun have a place to post. I sent to your maintainer addy. It's a small attach.21:50
goatsocksopenjdk could be the problem iow21:51
rgreeninggoatsocks: I don't think so. When I ran the make manually, it said it couldn't locate libphonon (but it was there). It's almost like it's not a valid lib to link to.21:52
jtechidnaRiddell: is bug 262957 fixed?21:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262957 in digikam "digikam package is not installable due to depedency in a kde3.5 package no longer available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26295721:52
Riddelljtechidna: should be, try it21:53
jtechidnahehe, fair enough :P21:53
jtechidnanope21:53
jtechidnaDepends: libkipi0 but it is not going to be installed21:53
jtechidnathen kipi-plugins and kdeprint21:54
jtechidnabut those are recommends21:54
Riddelltry installing libkipi021:54
Riddellprobably will remove gwenview and bits21:54
jtechidnayeah, it will21:55
jtechidnabut hey, it's installable. :)21:56
rgreeningRiddell: did my e-mail go thru?21:56
Riddellrgreening: yes22:01
rgreeningk. let me know if you have any suggestions. I think we need to package qtphonon22:01
rgreeningfrom qt-x1122:01
rgreeningI see gentoo has it... possibly others22:02
rgreeningRiddell: prob a good opp to do it now as qt 4.4.2 was released and it will need packaging... can enable phonon then22:03
goatsocksrgreening: i can anticipate the next problem with build.xml when qt 4.4.3 is released... you'll have to change "trolltech" to "nokia" in all those hardcoded paths22:15
rgreeningBWahahahah22:16
goatsockshttp://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2008/09/18/repeat-after-me-the-release-is-not-out-until-i-blog-about-it/22:16
rgreeningRiddell: I think I may take a stab at updatine qt4.4.2 debs... for a hoot (and some experience and cause I want to test that qt phonon) HA22:27
Riddellrgreening: we can't switch to qt phonon, that would be a feature change and could break goodness knows what. we've been advised by upstream to use kdesupport phonon22:28
Riddellrgreening: but packaging qt 4.4.2 would be good22:28
a|weng'evening to all22:28
rgreeningRiddell: np. I want to check it to prove a point on whether KDE phonon will work with qtjambi (which it appears to not)22:29
rgreeningRiddell: I hate being stuck on something like this. :) It eats my soul22:29
rgreeningheh22:29
jjesseg'evening a|wen22:32
apacheloggerrgreening: you could probably poke the qtjambi doods23:06
rgreeningyah. Im building qt 4.4.2 debs now. Will test phonon from that and see if it makes a dif.23:07

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