[00:01] crimsun: The way some people are doing merges these days, I think debian/changelog AND a comment in debian/rules just in case is a good plan. [00:02] apachelogger: Do we have an equivalent of what's being added in Bug 271485? [00:02] Launchpad bug 271485 in nautilus-python "need backport of location widget feature for intrepid" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271485 [02:28] could somebody doing livecd testing test for bug 49825? [02:28] Launchpad bug 49825 in kde-systemsettings "kubuntu installer: Changing Resolution doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49825 [02:47] evening [02:51] @now utc [02:51] Current time in Etc/UTC: September 18 2008, 01:51:11 - Current meeting: ubuntu-pa LoCo Team [02:59] Hobbsee: Have you decided about switching back to KDE? (sorry, I have lost track) [02:59] ScottK: not currently. [03:00] ScottK: however, do you want to test a cd? :) [03:00] it'd show you kubuntu :) [03:00] I'm busy watching wireshark compile on the one box I could do that on. [03:00] Hobbsee: Link me for the Kubuntu live CD. I'll download it and we'll see how things go tonight. [03:01] ScottK: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [03:01] Thanks. [03:01] ScottK: it needs to be done in the next ~16 hours or so. [03:21] OK. I'll do some i386 CD Live testing. [03:21] good :) [03:39] OK. Off to reboot to the Live CD [04:00] OK, so this is KDE4 and I'm here. [04:00] Hobbsee: What was the link for the ISO tests again? [04:01] How can paste in Konsole possibly not default to shift-insert? [04:01] ScottK-laptop: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [04:02] Thanks. [04:02] y/w [04:03] My initial reaction (this is my first time in KDE4) is how could the people who made such a beautiful desktop possibly have produced such a horrible start menu? [04:04] ya :( [04:06] waiting raptor http://raptor-menu.org/ [04:11] Hobbsee: If one of the immutable test pages needs updating, where do we file that bug? [04:13] ScottK-laptop: what needs changing? I know i can do some edits. [04:13] i don't remember exactly, but i'd guess against ubuntu-qa, if that exists [04:18] In https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/KubuntuDesktop it says to go to K-menu -> Multimedia -> Amarok, but as soon as you go to K-menu, Amarok is right there. [04:18] Hobbsee: ^^ [04:19] So there's no need to go further, but if you did, it'd be K-menu -> Applications -> Multimedia -> Amarok [04:19] isn't automake automatically run to create Makefile.in files etc. when building our kde packages [04:20] or do you really need to run it manually before building [04:21] If it's a new upstream you need to run build-prep [04:21] ScottK-laptop: edited. [04:21] ScottK-laptop: (but that's a wiki, so i'm not sure why it's immutable, as such?) [04:22] ScottK-laptop: where do i find that? [04:23] a|wen: Riddell told me about it. I'm on a Live CD right now, so I don't have easy access to my notes. [04:23] Hobbsee: In any case Ubuntu wiki isn't currently editable by Konqueror, so I'm stuck anyway. [04:23] ScottK-laptop: ahhh, right. [04:24] ScottK-laptop: hmm, strange ... apt-file gives me no results when searching for build-prep [04:24] It's not a file, it's a command [04:24] It's debian/rules target somehow. [04:27] So if I click on a link in konversation, it doesn't know what app should open. It starts doing something because I get asked if I want to accept a cookie before the app selection window comes up. [04:27] Which package gets the blame for that? [04:27] ScottK-laptop: thx ... "debian/rules buildprep" looks to be it [04:27] Yeah. That's it. [04:30] And what's the official name for the horrible thing that traps the application menus so you can't see the entire list? [04:31] that buildprep thing is really making a mess of things [04:31] ... but seems that it is how it should be [04:31] This is KDE3 or KDE4? [04:31] ScottK-laptop: KDE3 [04:31] KDE3 is pretty ugly. [04:31] Yeah. [04:33] and when you start combining it with new components added in a patch it get's even worse, uff [04:33] Hobbsee: So if I have some bugs, but not serious ones, that counts as 'passed', right? [04:33] ScottK-laptop: yes, i think so. [04:33] OK. [04:33] ScottK-laptop: the bugs will be looked at anyway [04:34] Right. I'll file the bugs after I reboot so I won't be stuck on a wired network. [04:38] ScottK-laptop: bug 262538 and status low = not a kde3.5.10 blocker? [04:38] Launchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262538 [04:41] i've been looking at a partly fix from the kde svn ... but it seems to be somewhat unfinished [04:43] Well that was fun. [04:44] nobody seems to have test-builded it in it's current context ... it build-fails due to deprecated function use [04:45] * a|wen takes this as a bad sign [04:46] Which package? [04:46] kdepim [04:46] If this is updating the hardy-backport you shouldn't have needed to run build-prep again. [04:47] I did test build all of 3.5.10 before I uploaded it. [04:48] ScottK2: the fix looks to be a helper app migrating the dist lists ... adding that helper app and you need to do a buildprep [04:48] Ah. [04:49] but that helper app is anyway broken (use of deprecated functions) [04:49] I see. [04:49] It's kubuntu-default setting that own mime-type assignments, right? [04:50] -settings [04:51] it contains some extra mime-types IIRC [04:54] OK. What has the basic ones? [04:54] I'm trying to figure out who to blame that clicking on a link in Konversation it didn't know what app to use to open it. [04:55] ScottK2: kde3 or kde4 ? [04:56] KDE4 [04:56] Intrepid [04:56] Live CD === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK-laptop [04:57] a|wen: ^^^ [04:57] then that is a good question [04:58] looks to be distributed between a lot of packages in kde3 [04:58] I'll go with kubuntu-meta and someone can change it from there. [05:03] * a|wen goes to [05:03] ... bed [05:03] goodnight all around [05:08] Good night. [05:08] Hobbsee: I guess I'm done. Only 4 new bugs filed. [07:18] Riddell: Ubiquity proceeds all the way through and starts the install on todays desktop image (20080918) [07:19] leaving the install running [07:19] got to work now. [08:14] morning all [08:35] ScottK-laptop: not much... but this is "the best of kde/svn" regarding kdepim in hardy-backports http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kdepim_3.5.10-0ubuntu1~hardy2.debdiff [08:37] ScottK-laptop: i've also made a comment on bug 262538 ... i'm not confident in trying to fix this as it is atm [08:37] Launchpad bug 262538 in kdepim "Kontact / Kaddressbook 3.5.10 : mail-list disappeared + impossible to create" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/262538 === Hobbsee` is now known as Hobbsee [10:50] scim-bridge-client-qt4 doesn't work in ubuntu 8.04 + kde 4.1.1 [10:50] i hope intrepid can improve somewhat [10:51] so, fix it? [10:52] the symptom is, [10:52] if you install kde 4.1.1 from ppa.launchpad.net, [10:53] and then you go to a gnome desktop and click Language Support [10:53] (before you install kde 4.1.1, you install ubuntu-desktop and in gnome's Language Support install Chinese and "Enable Input Methods") [10:54] after installing kde 4.1.1, you go to the same Language Support dialog box in gnome, [10:54] you will see the Chinese checkbox is now "partially checked", which is a [-], [10:54] and then you make it fully checked ( [v] ), [10:54] and then let it install the missing packages [10:55] it will automatically install scim-bridge-client-qt4 [10:55] to add scim support to kde4 apps [10:55] but this somehow doesn't work -- when you log in to a kde4 session, [10:56] the system becomes extremely slow, to the extent that you can only ctrl+alt+bksp [10:56] if you press ctrl+esc, you will see many "scim-panel-gtk" [10:56] means its has run into a dead loop [10:58] the solution for now is to remove scim-bridge-client-qt4 [10:59] also, i found kubuntu-kde4-desktop is automatically removed by the last gnome language support action [11:10] and gone [11:33] A wonderful good morning. [11:35] ScottK: I don't even understand what that feature is about. [11:36] Riddell: yao does that all the time [11:38] apachelogger: good to hear :) [11:39] drive by IRC grumping [11:40] hehe [11:41] Riddell: thats the best description Ive heard of it... :D [11:41] appmy comment was aimed at your first comment.. .D: [11:42] and that smiley came out deformed... [11:42] *nod* [11:42] You should seek a doctor IMHO. [11:42] That doesn't look very healthy [11:43] Arby: ping [11:43] rofl [11:44] * jussi01 should look at doing some contributions again... [11:44] anyone got a few basic things that need doing? [11:44] Riddell: are you testing any live kubuntu's? [11:44] * apachelogger should go to the grocery and buy some motivation, then again that would require motivation.. [11:45] * jussi01 sends apachelogger some liquid motivation in the post.. :D [11:46] That is gonna take a while :S [11:46] apachelogger: or a cattle prod [11:47] Hm, now I am sad.... those poor animals :( [11:54] is anyone testing Kubuntu live at all? [12:11] davmor2: I think Riddell did yesterday [12:12] davmor2: ScottK did some testing of it earlier. [12:12] davmor2: i don't think anyone else did. [12:14] :( needed to know if their installer exited correctly [12:23] davmor2: yes [12:23] yes I'm testing [12:24] no the installer didn't exit correctly and I also get an error about apt not being able to install packages from the CD [12:24] Riddell: okay thanks. Did you get bug 271693 too [12:24] Launchpad bug 271693 in ubiquity "Intrepid: ubiquity throws up an error message box part way throw the install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271693 [12:24] Riddell: cool ta :) [12:25] yep, that's the one [12:25] davmor2: actually, i think some of this mail i've gotten is related to a kubuntu install. [12:25] :) [12:26] davmor2: http://rafb.net/p/NptV5799.html [12:26] Riddell: can you confirm please [12:27] davmor2: I don't suppose ubuntu does the same? [12:28] ubiquity is exting correctly yes but it also suffers from the error message === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [12:36] davmor2: is bug 270423 [12:36] Launchpad bug 270423 in ubiquity "[kde] doesn't show dialog after installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270423 [12:36] yeap [12:37] cjwatson let me know on ubuntu-installer :) [12:38] ah, that's where you all hide :) [12:48] good morning [13:07] Riddell: \o/ oem looks pretty again :) [13:07] Riddell: more import it works too :) [13:14] Riddell: dfaure says default size ought to be fixed in the code and not the config file but there isn't really time for that [13:15] Riddell: should we still use the config file to fix some of the app default sizes? some like System Monitor could really use it, regardless of the icon layout === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [13:30] * apachelogger thinks about getting a KDE EULA :P [13:40] NCommander: what is the REVU patch status? [13:40] smarter: did you apply for MOTU yet? [13:40] apachelogger: you didn't send it to me [13:40] I even uploaded it! [13:41] you did? [13:41] http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/oxygen.patch [13:41] yus [13:41] apachelogger: I don't know anything other than what's in Bug 271485. It smells to me like another "Let's make Gnome people get some new kewl thing, but oops we forgot to tell Riddell so KDE could too." situation. [13:41] Launchpad bug 271485 in nautilus-python "need backport of location widget feature for intrepid" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271485 [13:41] I thought I asked for a bazaar tree ;-) [13:41] Maybe Riddell knows/can find out? [13:42] ScottK: I completely agree on that. [13:42] NCommander: that is a bazaar tree patch :P [13:42] NCommander: you can merge it like any branch [13:42] Just that I don't have to create a branch just to get you these changes ;-) [13:42] davmor2: belated pong [13:43] I need breakfast [13:43] davmor2: AFAICT when I rand the LiveCD everything installer related was fine. [13:44] morning ScottK [13:44] Heya. [13:45] how goes it? [13:51] morning all :) [13:51] Not in a way I'm willing to describe on a logged channel. [13:51] Heya [13:51] * rgreening wishes he stopped for coffee this AM [13:55] davmor2: great, thanks for testing oem [13:56] seele: yes changing in the config file seems best for intrepid [13:56] * jussi01 hugs ScottK [13:56] Thanks. [13:57] ScottK-laptop: do you have 2 machines next to each other there? [13:57] :D [13:57] Yes. Desktop is on my desk. Laptop is on my lap. [13:57] ScottK-laptop: I've no idea what that bug is about [13:58] OK. If you're able it might be worth inquiring after as I suspect it's a warning of a future "How come I can do this in Ubuntu, but not Kubuntu" thing. [13:58] seele/Riddell: Is there anything that can be done about the application lists being 'trapped' and having to scroll all the time? [13:59] Yesterday when I was doing live CD testing was my first KDE4 experience and that was the only thing that gave me a "Dear God, no." kind of reaction. [14:00] ScottK-laptop: which application list? [14:00] Keeping in mind that I generally hate change, BTW, that's a huge good sign for KDE4. [14:00] Riddell: When you click on the K menu, then click on the Application icon [14:01] There's a list bounded at the top with a search bar that contains the catagories/apps [14:01] Once I clicked through to the application lists they virtually never fit in the space and I had to scroll. [14:01] that's how it's supposed to be [14:01] Really? [14:02] I think that makes it much harder to find applications. [14:02] it's a bit late to rewrite kickoff now, but we will be looking at alternatives for jaunty [14:02] OK. [14:02] yes, the idea (from suse) is that it makes the things you need most often quick to find and cares less about the things you need less. or something. [14:02] Oh dear, that's even worse then. [14:03] So not only is it hiding stuff, it moves it around. [14:04] * ScottK-laptop was hoping there was some kind of "make_kickoff_usable=True" thing we could do or something. [14:04] seele: Is this considered good usability? [14:06] I've still got all the 3.5.10 packages installed for testing and in KDE3 the Utilities section is almost two full columns on my laptop, but it's all immediately visible and accesible. [14:06] Urgh. [14:07] why the the ALT+SysRq not work under KDE4 [14:08] you mean print screen r ? [14:09] Ya, for Magic SysReq to reboot on lock.. Doesn't work [14:09] Alt+PrintScreen+R+S+E+I+U+B [14:09] Any ideas on how to fix/troubleshoot? [14:10] and can anyone verify on their system [14:10] that's it's not an isolated case [14:10] nope but assigning printscreen to ksnapshot somehow has been requiested [14:10] well, ALT+SysRq would be a diff keycode [14:11] where sysrq is the Print key [14:12] Alt+PrintScreen must stay as Alt+SysRq in meaning. Too many docs on how to recover using the magic key [14:12] thoughts [14:14] Used to work under Hardy/KDE3 [14:14] perfectly [14:14] Riddell: have you looked at the test results? [14:14] could it be the compositing engine settings for key mapping has altered something? [14:15] ScottK-laptop: i've had a long standing enmity with kickoff [14:16] and from what i know about kickoff code, changing anythign simple is not a simple task [14:16] seele: OK. Any suggested alternatives? [14:17] not at the moment, people say lancelot is nice but i havent used it too much [14:17] OK. Thanks. [14:19] Do we have that in the archive? [14:20] Is it plasmoid-lancelot or is that something different? [14:22] I think my system key mapping must be broken. Should hitting printscreen launch ksnapshot by default? [14:22] it used to [14:23] * rgreening considers a fresh install... [14:23] that is a known problem fixes welcome [14:24] ah. bug reports? [14:24] ScottK-laptop: plasmoid-lancelot is indeed lancelot [14:24] davmor the iso test results? [14:24] JontheEchidna: Thanks. [14:24] Riddell: yes you got a few red bugs :( [14:25] I don't mind looking into it more. I thought I was losing my mind [14:25] I've closed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/271601 as it's two apps not the same one :) [14:25] Ubuntu bug 271601 in adept "KDE 4.1.1/Intrepid - Adept appears twice in K menu" [Undecided,Invalid] [14:25] seele: Lancelot still got some rough edges. I prefere kickoff currently. [14:26] davmor2: well, we need to do something either way [14:26] updater doesn't really need to be in the menu [14:26] and the installer should be in the toplevel and not some submenu [14:26] actually the installer should be added to the computer tab as well [14:26] apachelogger: true but then the complaint was that they were the same and they're not :) [14:27] well, you could have changed it :P [14:27] Who is available for some powerdevil testing'? [14:28] davmor2: That's my bug. Then the bug is that there's no way without clicking to tell what's what as they are labled identically. [14:29] davmor2: If the are different, then that difference should be apparent. It certainly wasn't to me. [14:29] IIRC I said that in the bug. [14:29] Either way it's wrong. [14:30] ScottK-laptop: they're not they are both labled differently and when you hover over them the text displayed is also different [14:30] they do need icons though [14:31] OK. I looked at and hovered over both and noticed no difference. [14:31] If it's different, it's too subtle. [14:32] I think it is because the icons are missing that make it more apparent. If you look at the text the only word the same is package :) [14:33] My recollection is the text was the same, but perhaps not. If I reboot into the LiveCD again, I'll double check. [14:35] like I say if one had an icon of an up arrow and the other a gift box or something you probably wouldn't of noticed the text at all :) [14:38] I assume Intrepid will stay with KDE4.1. Will 4.2 get back ported? [14:39] there will probably be backports available from the Kubuntu Members KDE4 ppa like with 4.1 in this cycle [14:49] Riddell: what are your plans for qtjambi in Intrepid? [14:49] rgreening: hope that the new version gets packaged somehow [14:49] Oo [14:50] lol... besides that. It'll be done TODAY! If I have any control over it :) getting close now [14:50] * apachelogger turns up justice and starts patching kdesvn-kde4 [14:51] Riddell: I have the basic debian rules, control, etc just about complete. [14:51] Riddell: I was wondering what apps or utils (current/future) that will benefit in Intrepid (if there are any plans) [14:52] qtjambi is certainly fast... for java [14:52] rgreening: I don't know of any that use it, but most commercial Qt usage is private and the guys at trolltech are very keep for us to have it packaged so I suspect there are people who need it even if not yet in free software [14:53] s/very keep/suspiciously keen/ [14:53] lol [14:54] I should have a test deb(s) sometime today (if all goes well) for you to tear apart and help me make better/complete [14:54] ha [14:55] Riddell: this will be my first deb package.. and from scratch. I'll be impressed when it works .. lol [14:57] good luck [14:57] ty [14:57] bug ya later... gonna do some tweaking on it now [15:00] hey Riddell [15:01] Riddell: Did you see my message to kubuntu-devel about khelpcenter/khelpcenter4? [15:02] what does NBS mean? [15:02] Not-built from source [15:13] ScottK-laptop: don't think so [15:14] Riddell: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2008-September/002473.html [15:15] * apachelogger wanted to answer that mail 4 times [15:15] always ended up kicking gnupg for screwing with the agent [15:16] apachelogger: What's your answer then? [15:17] ScottK-laptop: Find out why debian add a 4, and get debian to drop it again in the most likely case that there is no real reason. [15:17] otherwise we might want to go with the transitional package which is IMHO an easier maintainable diff [15:19] We already need a transitional package for Intrepid either way. Hardy has both khelpcenter and khelpcenter4. [15:19] If we look at the package naming conventions we generally use, I think adding the 4 only made sense when it was needed co-installable. [15:19] a replaces/conflicts should take care of this IMO [15:20] No. [15:20] Why not? [15:20] Actually it may. [15:20] We really would need a transitional package for every -kde4 one. [15:21] Usually one needs the transitional package to depend on the new one to force it's install. [15:21] Yes, it will be the case I think [15:21] In this case we can rely on the meta package to do that. [15:22] So kubuntu-deskop will drag in the new packages and the replaces/conflicts will push the old ones out. [15:23] I'd prefer khelpcenter over khelpcenter4, but mostly make sure we clearly pick one and move in that direction. [15:23] * apachelogger advocates khelpcenter as well [15:23] * apachelogger -> cooking [15:26] Riddell: ^^? [15:40] prefer renaming the package? === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [15:59] Riddell: qtjambi requires libphonon_gstreamer.so but I can't seem to locate a package for it.. ideas? [16:01] rgreening: phonon-backend-gstreamer [16:01] /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so [16:02] ah. right. Now I remember you mentioning it. I forgot to make a note in my log. Thanks [16:03] My locate wasn't updated... stupid updatedb being outdated :) [16:03] So, should this be under KDE4? or Qt4? [16:04] Riddell: Right. Should we use khelpcenter or stick with khelpcenter4? [16:05] it's khelpcenter4 in Debian to make kdebase-runtime co-installable with kde 3 [16:05] my natural inclination is to keep as close to debian has possible [16:06] so add a khelpcentre transitional package and keep khelpcentre4 as the real thing [16:06] OK. [16:10] Bug filed: Bug #271779 [16:10] Launchpad bug 271779 in kdebase-runtime "Add khelpcenter -> khelpcenter4 transitional package" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271779 [16:21] Riddell: Are you good with the SRU proposal in Bug 271655? If so I'll upload it? [16:21] Launchpad bug 271655 in kde-guidance "[SRU req.] nvidia driver detection broken" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271655 [16:24] ScottK: when was that file moved? before hardy was released presumably? [16:25] Dunno. a|wen or maybe tseliot would be good to ask. [16:25] ScottK: well regardless, if that's where the file is the fix is fine [16:49] Riddell: Uploaded to hardy-proposed. === ScottK3 is now known as ScottK [17:17] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot142.png [17:18] oh [17:18] uh [17:18] * apachelogger got invited to a tea party [17:19] Nightrose: did you ever attend a tea party? [17:20] apachelogger: hehe nope [17:20] me neither [17:25] hi, I was trying recompile kdebase-dev (3.5.9) from hardy repo but an error ocurred on kubuntu_9922_kio_man_utf8.diff [17:26] "trying reverse patch debian/patch... 1 ... 0 ... 2 failure [17:27] someone could give a tip to resolve? [17:29] konqueror [17:29] oops sorry [17:34] rafaelmf: patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/kubuntu_9922_kio_man_utf8.diff === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [18:08] Riddell: Is phonon_gstreamer.so supposed to be the same as libphonon_gstreamer.so? [18:08] cause qtjambi is looking for libphonon_gstreamer.so and not phonon_gstreamer.so [18:10] rgreening: I suspect that's the difference between qt's phonon build and kde's phonon build [18:11] hmm... so, q... do we need a diff package or do we need to trick the build system to use phonon_gstreamer.so instead [18:12] hey Riddell [18:29] * rgreening bangs head against wall. I hate ANT [18:34] rgreening: What's wrong with ANT [18:34] It's a maginitude better then autofun [18:35] I'll rephrase: I hate braindead applications that do not allow you to easily overrid simple file names :) [18:35] HA [18:36] NCommander: if you can help... I have qtjambi 4.4.0 and the build.xml file is looking for libphonon_gstreamer.so but we have it installed as phonon_gstreamer.so. Trying to finx a way to hack the buld.xml to look for ours [18:37] where is the source package? [18:42] 1 sec [18:44] http://trolltech.com/developer/download/qtjambi-src-gpl-4.4.0_01.tar.gz [18:45] I know some java but only vaguely aware of ant... so, I may be missing something obvious. [18:53] * rgreening ponders: "the only good ant is a dead one" === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [19:03] rgreening: if you'd seen the monstrosities i'd created by mangling ant you'd call the exterminator [19:03] * goatsocks doesn't do java these days thankfully [19:03] goatsocks: maybe you can help then [19:03] well i can take a look at it... but i won't like it ;) [19:03] * rgreening hands goatsocks an piping hot cup of java [19:03] so just a lib name [19:04] * goatsocks digs [19:04] what's jambi btw [19:04] yeah.. the build.xml specifies a property of library which I guess forces the file to look for the name with a prefix of lib [19:04] qtjambi - qt java [19:05] java bindings then? [19:08] pretty much.. and more [19:12] rgreening: ok ant is appending "lib" to the specified name? [19:12] yeah. I need it to look for phonon_gstreamer.so and not libphonon_gstreamer.so [19:13] [19:13] that's the line [19:18] rgreening: yeah they wrote their own custom subset of ant tasks and that's where the "lib" gets appended (not in build.xml) [19:19] grrr... [19:19] rgreening: com/trolltech/tools/ant/LibraryEntry.java [19:19] 1 sec. Let me look [19:20] that's rude [19:20] lol [19:20] well it's common practice for large projects [19:21] because ant core is somewhat lame [19:21] so... wondering what to do... [19:21] we patch that, leaving the default "lib" behavior, but also adding checks without "lib" [19:21] otherwise it would likely break the other libs [19:22] I was hoping to avoid to much messing with their code.. [19:23] I'l dig a little more [19:23] this code is only an extension of ant, so it's really no different than changing build.xml [19:23] it's not a part of qtjambi proper [19:23] true [19:24] just need to figure out where to insert check/change. [19:24] I guess I could be specific and say if phonon_gstreamer.so... not sure though. [19:24] gimme a bit to look at it, i think we may be able to override the behavior in build.xml without having to patch any *.java stuff [19:25] AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [19:25] :) [19:28] ooh, Qt 4.4.2 is out today [19:36] rgreening: can you try symlinking libphonon_grstreamer.so to phonon_gstreamer.so and tell me if any other libs are broken during build? [19:38] yeah. Building it now. There are some other things I have to fix with symlinks. e.g. system wants to find all the libQt*.* in /usr/share/qt4/lib and not /usr/lib where we put them [19:39] I still have to figure out if we should update the packages to put the symlink there or try and patch the build system to look in /usr/lib... [19:39] wha... why would it look in /usr/share for libs? [19:39] well, it looks in QTDIR var which is /usr/share/qt4 [19:40] ah [19:40]