[00:11] <serengeti> hi, what might be the cause of alternate 64-bit installer complaining about 2048-byte sectors on my seagate barracuda 7200.10 250GB drive and hanging when I tell it to continue?
[00:12] <serengeti> should I check the partition table?
[00:50] <zniavre> RAOF:  i finnaly run my nvidia driver
[00:50] <zniavre> thank you
[00:51]  * RAOF didn't do anything but say that 173 should work!
[00:51] <zniavre> i was thinking to wait more time without 3d  when you told me i was wrong
[00:52] <zniavre> :o)
[01:13] <solomeh> I had this accessibility icon in my systray and I clicked the option to make all text larger out of curiosity
[01:13] <solomeh> I disabled it now but things are not back to normal
[01:13] <solomeh> The font and size of my title bars and taskbars have changed
[01:13] <solomeh> How can I go back to default?
[01:17] <_Zeus_> restart X?
[01:38] <DanaG> Grr.... dag-blasted Networkmanager won't remember my WPA passphrase.
[01:38] <DanaG> It doesn't even ask me for a keyring password, either.
[01:45] <DanaG> Oh yeah, random note: I fixed my horridly-stuttery audio.
[01:45] <DanaG> Solution: hpet=force.
[01:49] <DanaG> Oddly enough, I was still getting the "Delicous high-resolution timers available" message.
[02:49] <Saiki> What happened to the Intrepid seeds?
[02:54] <_Zeus_> any1 know how to fix this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/271459
[03:01] <_Zeus_> anyone?
[03:01] <RAOF> _Zeus_: Firstly, that doesn't appear to be a bug.
[03:02] <RAOF> Secondly, what does ldd skype have to say?
[03:05]  * Hobbsee waves
[03:06] <Hobbsee> who wants to see the release of Alpha 6 of Intrepid Ibex?
[03:06] <RAOF> Howdie Hobbsee.  Why, need testers?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yes!
[03:07] <RAOF> Well,
[03:07] <RAOF> I'm at uni, and hence out.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> RAOF: you won't be at uni all day.
[03:07] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:07] <RAOF> That's true.
[03:07] <Hobbsee> and you've got 16 hours.
[03:08] <DanaG> grr... can't play dvds with mplayer, for some reason.
[03:08] <DanaG> No error about dvdcss... it just says something about the renderer not supporting the format.
[03:08]  * Hobbsee points at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2008-September/001134.html
[03:08] <Hobbsee> DanaG: want to test some cds?
[03:09] <DanaG> CDs?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> yes.  Alpha 6 candidates.
[03:11] <pal> I am using Ubuntu Ibex Alpha 5, and since Alpha 3 I have a retarted bug going on.  I have a Toshiba Satellite and the volume wheel does'nt work right on the Ubuntu.  Yet the volume control is fine.  What can be done to correct this?
[03:11] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm already on Intrepid on this one, and I don't want to reinstall and lose customizations.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> DanaG: have you used a VM before?
[03:12] <DanaG> Can't VM very well on this P4-Celeron 1.6GHz.
[03:12] <DanaG> I'll have to wait until I get my main (Core Duo) system  back.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> oh, darn.
[03:12] <RAOF> kqemu shouldn't do _too_ badly.  But it'll be the RAM that kills you, yes.
[03:12] <DanaG> Hmm, actually, what would I have to test?
[03:13] <DanaG> I have another laptop drive I could swap in.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> DanaG: whichever iso you'd like.  You'll find instructions on that page.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> that the install works, in various configurations, firefox starts, that kind of thing
[03:13] <Hobbsee> DanaG: obviously, preference to those ISOs which don't have much testing would be appreciated, but whichever :)
[03:14] <_Zeus_> RAOF: i think it is one..... it occured after an update
[03:15] <RAOF> _Zeus_: The bug _may_ be that our ia32-libs package doesn't provide enough libraries for you to get Skype running.  But the bug, as written, isn't a bug.
[03:15] <RAOF> Particularly since I'd _expect_ getlibs'd stuff to break after an update.
[03:16] <_Zeus_> i never used getlibs before
[03:16] <DanaG> Hmm, I have several systems I could test the Live DVD on.
[03:16] <_Zeus_> i only used it to try to fix it
[03:16] <pal> I am using Ubuntu Ibex Alpha 5, and since Alpha 3 I have a retarted bug going on.  I have a Toshiba Satellite and the volume wheel does'nt work right on the Ubuntu.  Yet the volume control is fine.  What can be done to correct this?
[03:16] <_Zeus_> do I have to install to test the live cd?  or should i just boot it
[03:18] <Hobbsee> _Zeus_: to test the live cd bit, you don't need to install.  However, stuff like the installer is important too
[03:18] <Saiki> What happened to the Intrepid seeds? (alpha 5)
[03:18] <_Zeus_> a5 is almost dead?
[03:18] <_Zeus_> maybe?
[03:19] <Saiki> I'm at 89.5% :(
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Saiki: try testing alpha 6 instead?
[03:19] <Saiki> A6 came out on me?
[03:19] <_Zeus_> Saiki: yeah, try a6 at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[03:19] <Hobbsee> i guess people just stopped seeding, as it's kinda old now.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Saiki: no, but you can test it and report bugs.
[03:19] <_Zeus_> we're testing ISOs
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Saiki: info is in the /topic
[03:20] <Hobbsee> Saiki: the more people who test it, the faster it comes out.  And you also get bits before everyone else.
[03:20] <_Zeus_> i guess i'll do it
[03:20]  * DanaG curses Toshiba for putting the ` key next to spacebar.
[03:20] <_Zeus_> I know!  i hate it too
[03:20] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yeah, i always found that weird...
[03:20] <Hobbsee> _Zeus_: good man :)
[03:20] <DanaG> It's really annoying... I'll try to cd !/downloads
[03:21] <_Zeus_> can I switch from x64 to x86 and keep /home
[03:21] <_Zeus_> ?
[03:21] <DanaG> Ctrl, Fn, Alt, Tilde, Spacebar, Ins, Del, Alt.  I mean, seriously... wtf?
[03:21] <Hobbsee> _Zeus_: i'd expect so?
[03:21] <RAOF> _Zeus_: Yes(*).
[03:22] <DanaG> I also have an HP laptop around here that goes Fn, Context-Menu, Ctrl, Super, Alt, Spacebar, Alt, Super, Ctrl, Fn
[03:22] <RAOF> * Assuming the programs are well written, and haven't done something totally and utterly boneheaded, like dumped in-memory structures straight to disc.
[03:22] <DanaG> .. so ctrl is below Z, and alt is below C
[03:23] <DanaG> They didn't teach about that in my classes I've taken so far at Cal Poly.
[03:23] <DreadKnight> DanaG: have toshiba as well;   really annoying when every company fucks up with the keyboard layout
[03:23] <DanaG> s/didn't teach/haven't taught/
[03:24] <DanaG> At least modern Toshiba laptops are getting rid of that screwyness -- Microsoft probably slapped them for it, and banned them from using the Vista 'super' key until they fixed it, or something.
[03:25] <DreadKnight> m$ should shove that key right in...
[03:25] <DreadKnight> patenting keys... how silly
[03:25] <DreadKnight> silly to see dell with ubuntu preinstalled having a win key..
[03:25] <DreadKnight> argh
[03:25] <DanaG> Random thing: my next laptop will have UEFI firmware... so it'll give fun stuff to mess around with.
[03:26] <DreadKnight> off to get some zzzZz
[03:27]  * DanaG wonders if nvidia drivers would work under UFI....
[03:27] <DanaG> ... and fglrx, too.
[03:27] <DanaG> At least there'll be the radeonhd driver to use -- I'll be going ATI.
[03:28] <Saiki> where do I get the ISo torrents for xubuntu?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Saiki: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i doubt there are torrents though.
[03:42] <Saiki> Hobbsee: they aren't
[03:53] <DanaG> Ugh... random hard-lockup.
[03:54] <_Zeus_> :(
[03:54] <DanaG> Probably that hpet=force thingy.
[03:55] <DanaG> Anything called "force" often implies there are some sort of risks involved.
[03:55] <DanaG> That's why I won't use force on ntfs-3g -- it sounds dangerous to me.
[04:17] <solomeh> pulseaudio is screwing up my Ubuntu MacBook's sound (Sigmatel STAC9221)  and I kill the process and Amarok can actually play a song finally
[04:17] <solomeh> But I still can't hear it from my speakers with everything in alsamixer unmuted and turned up
[04:17] <solomeh> I obviously have 2.6.27 and ALSA 1.0.17
[04:23]  * DanaG wishes nvidia would just fix the damn 96 drivers.
[04:29] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not expecting that to happen until xorg 1.5 or whatever is officialy released
[04:29] <RAOF> Well, it has been, right?
[04:31] <RAOF> In, particular, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-announce/2008-September/000640.html
[05:22] <Saiki> Hobbsee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-5/  <the latest on cdimage
[05:33] <Reed_Solomon> in what package is snd-hda-intel.ko located?
[05:33] <RAOF> linux-image
[05:35] <literal> dpkg -S $(locate -n1 snd-hda-intel.ko)
[05:36] <RAOF> Alternatively, alsa-driver, if you've module-assistant-ed alsa-source.
[05:38] <Reed_Solomon> thanks
[05:55] <chakie> my hda-intel doesn't seem to work at all at the moment
[05:59] <jellulabo> anyone experiencing problems upgrading cups package?
[06:00] <danbh_intrepid> no
[06:36] <Saiki> I just downloaded the dialy build or w/e and when I try to upen "umenu.exe" it shows "invalid CD"
[06:36] <Saiki> what's that about?
[06:43] <goose> I cannot get X to start successfully and I think it has something to do with most of my video modes showing the error (insufficient memory for mode) <8.04>
[06:44] <Saiki> 8.04 is hardy, not ibex
[06:44] <goose> I was told to come here for hardy Flannel>	goose: #ubuntu+1 for Hardy Intrepid support, thanks.
[06:46] <danbh_intrepid> goose: you said you were running 8.10
[06:47] <goose> sorry
[06:47] <goose> i was wrong as i said in #ubuntu
[06:48] <danbh_intrepid> goose: whats this command say:  lsb_release -c
[06:51] <goose> codename hardy
[06:51] <danbh_intrepid> goose: yeah, then you should be in #ubuntu, not here
[06:53] <Saiki> I just downloaded the dialy build or w/e and when I try to upen "umenu.exe" it shows "invalid CD" What's up withthis?
[06:53] <danbh_intrepid> sounds like a bug?
[06:55] <Saiki> danbh_intrepid: but this is in Vista, not on install or live boot
[06:57] <danbh_intrepid> Saiki: it could still be a bug, I dunno
[06:57] <Lynoure> mattik: Seems I'm now getting the same kill switch nag in Hardy too :/
[06:59] <Saiki> danbh_intrepid: true
[07:15] <marlun> Why is the close button in the top right corner of the screen a logout button and now I have to logout and then shutdown/restart.
[07:56] <tanath> for the past couple months i've found facebook is very slow in firefox. anyone else notice this?
[08:04] <tanath> i've figured out that i can switch to a non-facebook tab to get it to load as normal
[08:05] <Hew> marlun: That was a bug that has been fixed in the latest Intrepid. Assuming you are up-to-date, you can shutdown with System -> Shut Down, or you can add the shutdown item to the panel.
[08:06] <Lynoure> mattik: seems I got a software kill switch on somehow, so the situation is ok now. Thanks for your help yesterday
[08:19] <arooni> how well supported is the dp43tf mobo (intel p43 chipset).... is it for ubuntu hardy?
[08:20] <danbh_intrepid> arooni: try the livecd
[08:20] <danbh_intrepid> or google...
[08:21] <Saiki> I just downloaded the dialy build or w/e and when I try to upen "umenu.exe" it shows "invalid CD" What's up withthis?
[08:23] <Lynoure> Saiki: What's umenu.exe?
[08:24] <Lynoure> Saiki: oh, probably something to do with installing from within MS Windows?
[08:24] <Saiki> it's shows as an autorun for xubuntu on Windows
[08:25] <Saiki> supposed to be for wubi I think..
[08:28] <Hew> Saiki: Are you opening this exe on Ubuntu or Windows?
[08:29] <Saiki> windows
[08:34] <Saiki> I'm trying to install intrepid on my pc, but that "Invalid CD" error is worrying me
[08:34] <Xordan> Hey, is it a known bug that the hardware drivers app doesn't work in ibex?
[08:38] <RAOF> Xordan: Not to me.  Is it failing for you?  You probably want to search launchpad and file a bug if there isn't one already.
[08:39] <Xordan> yeah, I click it and nothing really happens. I see it on the bar at the bottom and then that just disappears
[08:40] <Jordan_U> ath5k is broken for me with recent updates.
[08:40] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: which updates?
[08:42] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Unfortunately this was one of the few times I didn't look, it was either today or yesterday though. I updated early yesterday and it was still working then
[08:42] <RAOF> Xordan: I'd try running it from the command line, see if it spits any errors.  Or, failing that, search launchpad, but the errors you glean from the command line will likely help you search.
[08:42] <danbh_intrepid> bug 259157    Im having trouble with ath9k drivers.  IT looks like its slated for the beta milestone
[08:42] <Xordan> RAOF: What's the app name?
[08:42] <RAOF> jockey-gtk, I believe.
[08:43] <Xordan> No protocol specified : cannot connect to X server :0.0
[08:43] <Xordan> eh
[08:43] <Xordan> ah
[08:44] <Xordan> http://rafb.net/p/GC1zeP48.html
[08:45] <Xordan> I see a bug open on it
[08:45] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Does network-manager immediately say "disconnected" and do you see nothing in iwevent when you try to use network-manager or iwconfig? ( note that it's not only a network-manager problem for me at least )
[08:49] <ysth> gah, no link to the schedule in the topic here.
[08:50] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Interesting, it seems that one of the packages that I upgraded ( looking at /var/log/dpkg.log ) was network-manager, but again, iwconfig doesn't work either
[08:56] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: yeah, I don't really get it either.  I can't get dhcp to work with the latest kernel, which isnt the network manager either.
[08:56]  * danbh_intrepid crosses fingers
[08:56] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: My problem is even stranger, going back to the last kernel ( which worked ) I still get the same problem
[08:57] <danbh_intrepid> 27-2?
[08:57] <Jordan_U> yup
[08:57] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Can't get dhcp to work wired or wireless?
[08:57] <danbh_intrepid> damn, that sucks.  But that is what is working for me
[08:58] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: I don't have a wire to test on...
[08:59] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Probably isn't that dhcp isn't working but that the wireless connection isn't ( which would be what is happening to me ), can you try running iwevent while trying to connect with iwconfig?
[09:01] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: well, when I have tested in the past, iwconfig lists a connection, and the proper one too.  I don't quite follow what you are asking me to do
[09:02] <danbh_intrepid> by the time I boot, the wireless connection is already going...   You want me to disconnect, and then reconnect?
[09:02] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: iwevent should show the card attempting to connect, for me even though iwconfig gives no errors it is obviously not working because I see nothing but "scan request"s in iwevent
[09:03] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Yes, try connecting again with iwevent running
[09:03] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: how should I take it down?  ifdown?
[09:03] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Yes
[09:04] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: mk, Ill be back!
[09:08] <Saiki> A6- Invalid CD detected, I'm gonna say BUG!!
[09:18] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47985/
[09:18] <danbh_intrepid> have fun ^^
[09:45] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Interesting, so you are definitely connecting to the network successfully
[10:25] <Raspberry> flash seems to be broken again
[10:27] <Raspberry> Installing from local file /var/cache/flashplugin-nonfree/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.tar.gz
[10:27] <Raspberry> Flash Plugin installed.
[10:27] <Raspberry> /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libxcb-render-util.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:27] <Raspberry> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[10:28] <Raspberry> i'm up-to-date on my packages... and libxcb-render-util.so.0 exists
[10:31] <Raspberry> if I try to copy libflashplayer.so to the /usr/lib/firefox/plugins directory manually, when I try to start a flash app in my browser it says Express Installation is not supported for this version of flash player
[10:32] <Raspberry> and if I try to use adobe's installer it says that the x86_64 architecture isn't spport
[10:32] <Raspberry> everything worked fine until two days ago
[10:32] <Raspberry> correction, this morning
[10:32] <Raspberry> so about 28hrs ago
[10:32] <edgy> Hi, I need to provide my password twice when I sudo, me alone?
[10:32] <Raspberry> yeah
[10:32] <Raspberry> I don't have to do that
[10:33] <edgy> Raspberry: sudo dpkg-reconfigure libpam-runtime would give you errors?
[10:33] <Raspberry> no
[10:33] <edgy> Raspberry: how did you try it that fast? ;)
[10:33] <Raspberry> i'm a fast typer
[10:35] <void^> Raspberry: flashplugin broke with yesterday's ia32-libs update
[10:35] <Raspberry> ah ok
[10:35] <Raspberry> lame
[10:35] <Raspberry> :p
[10:36] <Raspberry> any suggested work around?
[10:37] <Raspberry> gnash doesn't work -- but it's never worked for me since 7.10
[10:38] <edgy> Raspberry: I guess your bug is fixed 8 mins ago
[10:38] <edgy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/271392
[10:39] <edgy> or is it not related to your problem?
[10:40] <Raspberry> that's it
[10:40] <Raspberry> but I'm up to date, so it must not be "out" yet
[10:41] <Raspberry> downloading it here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/amd64/ia32-libs/2.2ubuntu12
[10:41] <Raspberry> we'll see if that'll fix it
[10:45] <Hobbsee> no, that won't have built yet
[10:45] <Raspberry> yeah... that doesn't fix it
[10:46] <Raspberry> i guess i'll have to boot windows to test my flash stuff today
[12:35] <s000501> rsync-2 causes known problems in my hardy (Ubuntu 8.04) installation, upgrade to rsync-3 needed...
[12:35] <s000501> is it save to just add the intrepid packages to /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade?
[12:36] <s000501> or can someone advise a better upgrade path?
[12:36] <zniavre> alt+f2 update-manager -d
[12:37] <s000501> I've installed the server version, so only terminal; sorry for not mentioning.
[12:39] <zniavre> sudo sed -e 's/\shardy/ intrepid/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:39] <mvo> s000501: just run "do-release-upgrade -d" in this case (server)
[12:40]  * zniavre take a note of this command line 
[12:41] <Hobbsee> hey mvo!
[12:41] <mvo> hey Hobbsee
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mvo: have you tested an iso today?  :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> mvo: perhaps 5-a-day could be used, for this.
[12:43] <mvo> Hobbsee: actually I did :)
[12:43] <Hobbsee> mvo: very good!
[12:43] <Hobbsee> mvo: what'd you test?
[12:44] <mvo> just the live-session, then I noticed a issue in the icon display of gnome-app-install and that distrated me because I went off to fix the bug
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ahh
[12:47] <s000501> mvo: after executing "do-release-upgrade" -> "Checking for a new ubuntu release, current dist not found in meta-release file, No new release found"
[12:48] <s000501> Or could I even better download Ubuntu-8.10-alpha-5 from cdimages.ubuntu.com and keept thís version up-to-date?
[12:57] <s000501> Are there actually any safety riscs when using Ubuntu Intrepid and keeping it up-to-date in comparison to the final release scheduled for Oct-30?
[12:59] <`Matir> s000501, by safety, do you mean in terms of security, or do you include stability in that?
[13:01] <s000501> Security is of most concern.
[13:01] <literal> for what, a server?
[13:13] <Hew> s000501: If you're keeping it up-to-date, I wouldn't consider security a significant issue for a typical user. If you're thinking about installing pre-release Intrepid on a machine where security and stability is an important requirement, stick with the Hardy until release.
[13:13] <s000501> It's indeed for a server.
[13:14] <s000501> I would like to stick with Hardy for security/stability reasons, but rsync-3 is needed to solve known problems in earlier rsync-releases.
[13:14] <s000501> And I couldn't find a backport yet.
[13:15] <s000501> Is there a way to create backport yourself?
[13:16] <`Matir> s000501, depends on the dependencies of rsync... lemme look real quick
[13:17] <s000501> Thanks, Matir
[13:18] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt be an issue
[13:18] <gnomefreak> as i recall the depends will be fine for Hardy
[13:18] <`Matir> s000501, looks to me that the biggest problem is that hardy ships with libc 2.7, and rsync 3.0 wants libc 2.8... but I'm not sure what change it's using (if it really is)
[13:18] <gnomefreak> it does?
[13:19] <gnomefreak> !info libc6 hardy
[13:19] <`Matir> Depends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libc6 (>= 2.8~20080505), libpopt0 (>= 1.14), lsb-base (>= 3.2-14), base-files (>= 4.0.1)
[13:21] <gnomefreak> dont bother trying to backport it than, unless you think you can change libc6 version but for a hardy backport from devs isnt gonna happen more than likely
[13:21] <gnomefreak> it doesnt fit the requirements
[13:21]  * Hobbsee snorts
[13:21] <Hobbsee> no, libc6 won't get backported.
[13:22] <s000501> than I *should* (?) just install ubuntu-intrepid-alpha6 (or wait till Oct-30 ofcourse?)
[13:22] <`Matir> I'm just wondering what change in rsync requires libc6 2.8 vs 2.7... or is it common practice for devs to mark it against the lowest version being used by the release they're building for?
[13:23] <`Matir> s000501, what kind of rsync issues are you experiencing?
[13:23] <s000501> I want to mirror a directory structure with a lot (I really mean a lot) of files (including hard links) which doesn't work well with rsync < 3...
[13:26] <`Matir> weird... is it because of the hardlinks?  I mirror (daily) a directory with 275,000+ files
[13:27] <gnomefreak> what version is in hardy?
[13:27] <gnomefreak> im looking at upstream diff tm
[13:27] <gnomefreak> atm
[13:28] <gnomefreak> !info rsync hardy
[13:29] <s000501> There indeed some known issues with hard link support in rsync < 3
[13:30] <gnomefreak> i see alot of chroot issues worked out in 3.0.0 release
[13:30] <gnomefreak> not hardlinks yet
[13:31] <`Matir> gnomefreak, considering that the patch that fixes the hardlink issue might be portable to 2.6?
[13:31] <gnomefreak> - Improved --hard-link so that more corner cases are handled correctly when combined with options such as --link-dest and/or --ignore-existing.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> `Matir: its more work than is worth IMHO however i dont see that they patched anything on it atm and im really trying not to grab source and build it today
[13:33] <gnomefreak> notice the above paste says nothing about bug fixes
[13:35] <s000501> I meant this option: "-H, --hard-links
[13:35] <s000501>     This tells rsync to look for hard-linked files in the transfer and link together the corresponding files on the receiving side. Without this option, hard-linked files in the transfer are treated as though they were separate files."
[13:35] <gnomefreak> it doent look as if any of the hardlink fixes enhancements would cause libc6 bump
[13:35] <s000501> -- Not available in 2.6.9 isn't it?
[13:35] <`Matir> gnomefreak, yeah... If I was at home and had one of my hardy boxes I'd try to re-build the deb against it, just out of curiousity
[13:35] <`Matir> s000501, according to the manpage -H/--hard-links is in 2.6.9.
[13:36] <gnomefreak> s000501: http://samba.anu.edu.au/ftp/rsync/src/rsync-3.0.0-NEWS
[13:37] <gnomefreak> s000501: memory useage was biggest fix with hardlink commands/option
[13:37] <gnomefreak> s000501: he is right 2.6.9 does have -H
[13:40] <s000501> I read about memory problems while synchronizing directories with hard links, so maybe memory usage ís the fix which makes rsync 3.0.3 working in my case: mirroring backup data created by backuppc.
[13:41] <gnomefreak> s000501: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/538936
[13:42] <gnomefreak> hint thats the man page
[13:42] <gnomefreak> well part of it
[13:42] <`Matir> s000501, to your original question, I personally would advise against running Intrepid on a production server.  Not for security reasons, but for stability reasons.  I'm not saying there ARE problems, but the number of changes going in could cause problems, IMO.
[13:43] <s000501> OK, I saw, thanks.
[13:43] <s000501> Matir, thanks for your advise.
[13:44] <s000501> And when I install Intrepid now and do an "apt-get upgrade" after Oct-30, do I then have the same result instead of waiting for the official release?
[13:45] <`Matir> An install from iso should match the same as one from continuous upgrades, if that's what you're asking.
[13:45] <gnomefreak> s000501: use update-manager after release
[13:45] <`Matir> I never reinstall my systems
[13:45] <gnomefreak> wait your on server?
[13:46] <gnomefreak> if so use dist-upgrade not upgrade
[13:47] <Pici> !final
[13:47] <gnomefreak> Pici: !upgrade might have helped more
[13:47] <Pici> gnomefreak: perhaps
[13:47] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[13:48] <s000501> So hypothetically, because I should ship my servers to various locations and want to mirror beforehand because of slower internet connection between offices, I could install Intrepid alpha-6 now and type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » frequently to keep it up-to-date?
[13:48] <gnomefreak> s000501: yes but you have been warned
[13:48] <s000501> ;-)
[13:49] <gnomefreak> although server is safer than desktop almost always is after say a3
[13:49] <s000501> I'm still considering indeed.
[13:50] <gnomefreak> safer doesnt mean safe
[13:50] <askand> Isnt openoffice 3 beta supposed to be in intrepid to try it out_
[13:50] <`Matir> s000501, to be completely honest, all the problems I have had with Intrepid so far shouldn't be issues on a server... (almost all of mine have been X/DRI related)
[13:50] <gnomefreak> askand: i dont think it was decided on. due to the time of releases are off and unless someone already has it about ready its unlikley
[13:51] <gnomefreak> 2.4.1-8ubuntu1 is oo.o verison
[13:52] <gnomefreak> unless it doesnt have open/office in the name than its not in Intrepid
[13:54] <gnomefreak> that reminds me thanks
[13:54] <gnomefreak> bug 270073
[13:54] <`Matir> askand, it's not in, but there's a ppa for it up: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
[13:55] <`Matir> askand, thread about it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=889093
[13:57] <`Matir> development was apparently somewhat slowed as Calc (the developer managing it) had to evacuate due to Hurricane Ike.
[14:00] <gnomefreak> if it was approved already than it should make it in archives at some point but since the feature freeze cant just push new packages
[14:01] <gnomefreak> assuming someone has time to take it over
[14:03] <`Matir> Calc said he's uploading rc1 packages to the ppa soon, and has (in the past) said that even if it doesn't make it in (looks like it won't) it MIGHT be a candidate for -backports or -updates.  (I'm personally not sure of the policy differences between the two.)
[14:07] <geodatman> hi, is it usefull to test in a VM ?
[14:08] <gnomefreak> yes
[14:10] <geodatman> so ill load it down, and do some testing :-)
[14:11] <geodatman> btw is ther something like test-cases?
[14:13] <gnomefreak> yes but cant recall the info on it i thought there was a channel and a website but its been a while since i looked
[14:14] <gnomefreak> be back break than back to work
[14:23] <generic> hi the link for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview#Download%20Alpha%206 does not work
[14:23] <generic> is it due out today sometime?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> generic: please see the /topic
[14:40] <generic> anyone have issues with skype not picking up mic in alpha5 ?
[14:40] <generic> it worked fine in hardy
[14:42] <marshall> hey guys
[14:42] <marshall> anybody having trouble with nvidia drivers?
[14:54] <Kano> hi, why is netboot not working with netboot=nfs nfsroot=...
[14:54] <Kano> with latest ubuntu snapshot
[14:54] <Kano> it seems that a dhcp request is done by network-manager for the device which is used for the nfsmount
[14:55] <Kano> before a manual entry was written in the interfaces
[14:59] <Kano> the code seems to be still there but it does not boot...
[15:13] <Kano> if somebody wants to try
[15:13] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/casper-terminalserver/casper-terminalserver.sh
[15:13] <Kano> mount cd or loop mount iso image to /cdrom and start script
[15:13] <Kano> check device setting of course
[15:14] <Kano> that will prepare tftp, nfs , dns server
[15:14] <Kano> it worked before...
[15:15] <Kano> daily does only work in vbox..
[15:17] <Pici> Daily CDs do not receive the same rigor of testing that milestone releases do.  I would check launchpad to see if this issue has been reported, if not, you may want to log a bug
[15:17] <Kano> well i am  downlaoding last alpha now
[15:17] <Kano> but that did not work with vbox
[15:18] <Kano> the kernel patch is only in the daily
[15:19] <Kano> which is required to run without noreplace-paravirt
[15:23] <ikt> alpha 6 which is coming tomorrow will fix the issue with vbox kano
[15:23] <Kano> ikt: well but when it does not boot via pxe it is not usefull for me
[15:23] <Kano> i need pxe boot
[15:28] <ikt> not sure about that
[15:28] <ikt> for me I get kernel panic if I try and use vbox with alpha 5
[15:37] <scawt> my centrino2 laptop wont load xorg. i hear the ubuntu sound though
[15:38] <scawt> anyone know about status of the intel drivers? would building from git help?
[15:38] <scawt> ive tried hardy to today's build, i get a white screen with grey blobs
[15:43] <aguitel> where is the icon "network-manager" in intrepid ?
[16:04] <`Matir> scawt: what video chipset?
[16:04] <scawt> intel gm45
[16:05] <scawt> also known as Intel GMA X4500HD, or Montevina
[16:06] <`Matir> gm45?  Haven't heard of that one... I have a GM965 working fine with current intrepid...  can you get to a console via Ctrl+Alt+F1?
[16:07] <scawt> yes, console works, pretty much everything works except x11 doesnt display anything
[16:10] <`Matir> does /var/log/Xorg.0.log show any warnings or errors?
[16:25] <scawt> i'll check
[16:32] <scawt> well, from the log xorg detects my chipset just fine
[16:32] <scawt> it detects my cantiga vga bios
[16:33] <scawt> i see one line that says Bad V_BIOS checksum though
[16:33] <scawt> but it keeps going after that
[16:34] <scawt> it correctly detects my monitor resolution as 1600x900
[16:35] <scawt> now ive reached the end, no errors that i can find
[16:36] <scawt> i suppose this is a faulty driver then?
[16:36] <scawt> i don't see any showstopper errors in that log
[16:43] <scawt> is there a way that i can switch to the vesa driver so i can install from live intrepid?
[16:56] <CarlFK> I tried to run "mysql wb binaries for Ubuntu 8.04" on ibex and got " error while loading shared libraries: liblua5.1.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[16:56] <CarlFK> how much trouble will it be to make this work?
[16:56] <CarlFK> or should I just install 8.4?
[16:58] <CarlFK> installing 8.4 will be way easier than building from source - one of the steps is "Additionally, you’ll need Google’s ctemplate library. So ask google for the file ctemplate-0.90.tar.gz..."
[16:58] <Kano> CarlFK: install liblua5.1-0
[16:58] <knitt1> hello! my xserver behaves oddly when changing the brightness of my display… mouse can still be moved and windows can be raised and lowered but i can't move windows around or type text. using ctrl-alt-f2 or any fkey to switch to a console will show the console for 1sec before switching back to tty7 (xserver) – after that everything is back to normal and i can type and move windows
[17:01] <Tesla|Work> that odd
[17:03] <CarlFK> Kano: thanks.  that and libzip1 = working
[17:04] <knitt1> is this a known issue? or is it only me?
[17:06] <knitt1> i was just testing… using the brightness applet it won't hang X
[17:06] <CarlFK> knitt1: what video? (binary nvidia...)
[17:06] <knitt1> nvidia 177
[17:06] <Kano> CarlFK: little hint: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ can be used to find this
[17:06] <knitt1> but the graphics driver shouldn't have to do anything with brightness?
[17:08] <CarlFK> knitt1: maybe - but I bet it does
[17:09] <knitt1> ok, i will try without prop. nvidia drivers sometime this evening
[17:10] <CarlFK> hmm.. on my desktop, brightens is controlled with buttons on the display, so maybe it is a separate thing
[17:10] <knitt1> yeah, that's just monitor brightness then. i have a laptop
[17:18] <s0u][ight> what version of the wireless drivers is intrepid using?
[17:23] <bsnider> s0u][ight, the version that comes with the 2.6.27 kernel
[17:24] <s0u][ight> but it is updated all the time and when trying manually i can't compile it :|
[17:31] <magentar> when will openoffice 3.0 make it in the official ubuntu repos.?
[17:31] <magentar> (intrepid)
[17:35] <tretle> it wont
[17:35] <tretle> its past feature freeze unless its exempt
[17:35] <pwnguin> we have exceptions
[17:35] <tretle> cool
[17:36] <pwnguin> i mean in general
[17:36] <tretle> ah
[17:36] <pwnguin> the freeze isn't absolute
[17:36] <tretle> well i dont think open office 3 stable will be out before intrepid final
[17:36] <pwnguin> i think i saw some stuff about oo.o 3 in a ppa
[17:36] <pwnguin> tretle: well, ubuntu's shipped RCs before
[17:37] <pwnguin> ie GIMP
[17:37] <tretle> dont know then
[17:37] <tretle> actually any eta on alpha 6, think the mediabuntu repos messed up my intrepid install so looking to reinstall but if alpha 6 is out soon I might wait
[17:39] <mazzen> does anyone have experience with installing the new ati driver (release yesterday) on ubuntu 8.10?
[17:40] <mazzen> i even tried it, but got Error!  "Build of fglrx.ko failed for: 2.6.27-3-generic (i686)" when installing the generated debs
[17:40] <Bauldrick> using nvidia driver,when I log in my monitor goes black and says out of scan - heres the xorg log http://pastebin.com/m3b793f96 can anyone help?
[17:44] <bsnider> mazzen, the ati drivers don't work with the xorg that intrepid uses. you'll have to wait a month
[17:46] <mazzen> bsnider: the driver, which was released yesterday has an option for Ubuntu/8.10 (status: unverified)
[17:46] <mazzen> and there are debs build
[17:48] <mazzen> bsnider: currently i have to work with 800x600 and vesa driver on my notebook (actually 1280x800), as the free ati driver leads to black or freezy screens when gdm starts
[17:52] <bsnider> mazzen, use hardy
[17:53] <mazzen> bsnider: i have this problem since hardy. that's why i'm running 8.10. i hope that this issue can be fixed
[17:55] <_Zeus_> i just upgraded to alpha 6, does anyone know how i can install kernel 2.6.27-2?
[17:55] <_Zeus_> -3 is broken for me
[17:55] <bsnider> there's an alpha 6?
[17:55] <_Zeus_> we're currently testing cd images
[17:55] <_Zeus_> yes
[17:55] <_Zeus_> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[17:56] <bsnider> what do you meant he kernel is broken?
[17:57] <_Zeus_> it is... constantly beeps, throws errors on startup, doesn't work with glxz
[17:57] <_Zeus_> *glx
[17:57] <_Zeus_> i was using -2 before i reinstalled
[17:57] <magentar> tretle, pwnguin, thanks
[17:57] <_Zeus_> i guess i could go down to linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic, but i'd rather not
[17:59] <magentar> i just read the release schedule and i thought it was supposed to be in the repos. already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OOo30Schedule
[18:08] <_Zeus_> man, linux-image-2.6.27-3 sucks
[18:11] <LL00> today alpha6? :)
[18:12] <bsnider> i didn't know there was supposed to be an alpha release today
[18:12] <LL00> hum wrong day?
[18:13] <LL00> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[18:15] <bsnider> what does "Developer Sprint " mean? the devs all get together and run as fast as they can until they drop from fatigue?
[18:16] <bsnider> _Zeus_, there's very little difference between that and hte previous .27 release
[18:16] <_Zeus_> i know, but -2 worked fine
[18:16] <danbh_intrepid> _Zeus_: what are you guys talking about?
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> atheros?
[18:17] <_Zeus_> kernel 2.6.27-3
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> I got that, but whats failing?
[18:18] <bsnider> he says it's beeping, which it does for everybody
[18:18] <danbh_intrepid> I don't get it, but Im stuck on -2 atm, for wifi
[18:19] <bsnider> there's not going to be any wifi difference between the two
[18:20] <_Zeus_> danbh_intrepid: when i boot to -3, the system beeps like crazy
[18:20] <_Zeus_> constantly
[18:20] <bsnider> the drivers are mostly the same. take a look at linus's post on lkml.org when rc6 was released
[18:20] <_Zeus_> i have to reboot 3-4 times to get it to boot once without beeping the entire time it's up
[18:20] <_Zeus_> and glx doesn't work
[18:20] <bsnider> it does that for EVERYBODY
[18:20] <_Zeus_> what?
[18:20] <bsnider> ignore the beeps
[18:20] <_Zeus_> i can't
[18:20] <_Zeus_> they continue forever
[18:20] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, reality has kicked your idealism's butt, -3 fails, -2 works
[18:20] <bsnider> the kernel beeps on boot for everybody
[18:20] <_Zeus_> not just during boot
[18:20] <_Zeus_> it beeps ALL THE TIME
[18:21] <bsnider> blacklist the snd_pcspkr module
[18:21] <bsnider> or whatever it's called
[18:21] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, which driver are you using for wifi?
[18:22] <_Zeus_> bsnider: well, that worked, but glx is still busted
[18:23] <bsnider> i take it this is not an nvidia system
[18:26] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: ath9k,   its a known problem btw, I think/hope
[18:26] <danbh_intrepid> one sec
[18:27] <_Zeus_> :P @ topic
[18:27] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, what precisely is the matter with it?
[18:27] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: it fails to get an ip address
[18:27] <bsnider> more detail please, sir
[18:28] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: if I knew how to get more details, I would get them
[18:29] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: but so far, thats the only difference between -2 and -3.  It fails to acquire an ipaddress, and dhclient goes into sleep mode, whatever
[18:29] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, what i mean is, what exactly happens?
[18:29] <danbh_intrepid> bug 269711
[18:29] <danbh_intrepid> thats where Im posting
[18:30] <LL00> bug 123456789
[18:30] <LL00> :)
[18:30] <danbh_intrepid> There aren't any errors that I see, but I don't really know where to look in the logs
[18:31] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, that problem exactly describes the problem i have with my dwa 542 card, but it can connect to an old apple router
[18:32] <bsnider> the router i need to connect to is a new d-link
[18:32] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: there was one interesting line in iwevent
[18:32] <danbh_intrepid> 04:10:55.366865   wlan1    Custom driver event:ASSOCINFO(ReqIEs=00054859494737010802040b160c12182432043048606cdd070050f202000100 RespIEs=010882848b0c1296182432043048606cdd180050f2020101050003a4000027a4000042435e0062322f00dd0900037f01010000ff7f)
[18:32] <bsnider> but the ath5k driver on this machine causes hard lockups, so i can't use that one at all. i have to use madwifi
[18:33] <danbh_intrepid> did you see the link I posted at the bottom of the page?  fixing the atheros drivers is slated for the beta
[18:33] <danbh_intrepid> Im gona see if I get that custom driver event on -2
[18:34] <bsnider> you mean fixing something that's wrong with network-manager?
[18:35] <bsnider> network-manager isn't responsible, because the same thing happens with sicd
[18:35] <bsnider> wicd i mean
[18:39] <RyanPrior> Verdict on Intrepid Alpha 6: total flop. Looks exactly the same as Hardy, but with an ugly "Pirate" disk on the desktop. Are we pushing the UI freeze back a few weeks? (Please say yes.)
[18:39] <RyanPrior> Not pirate. Private.
[18:41] <zippert> ware are alfa 6 ?
[18:42] <bsnider> RyanPrior, there's a pirate disk on the desktop?
[18:43] <RyanPrior> I misspoke and corrected.
[18:43] <RyanPrior> zippert: Read the topic.
[18:44] <danbh_intrepid2> bsnider: its interesting.  I simply cannot configure my wireless from the terminal
[18:45] <mlise> where can I download alpha6 ISO?
[18:45] <danbh_intrepid2> bsnider: only nm-applet can get my wireless working
[18:45] <elwood> is a pirate from monkey island?
[18:45] <danbh_intrepid2> heh, and only on -2!!
[18:45] <Aura-> Hello
[18:45] <zippert> RyanPrior,  thanks,
[18:45] <Pici> mlise: /topic
[18:45] <bsnider> what about wicd?
[18:47] <danbh_intrepid2> bsnider: are you asking me about wicd?  never tried it, but I can test it if you are curious...
[18:47] <bsnider> danbh, yes test it
[18:47] <danbh_intrepid2> mk
[18:47] <Aura-> can someone help me with an obscure HAL misconfiguration?  it's detecting my joypad as a mouse, and it's making the pad unusable
[18:48] <mlise> Pici: hehe.. thx
[18:48] <danbh_intrepid2> bsnider: whats the package name?
[18:48] <danbh_intrepid2> !info wicd
[18:48] <bsnider> Aura-, i think there's lots of information int he forums about problems like that, mostly because the xorg.conf file which used to contain that info has been removed now
[18:49] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid2, you'll have to google it
[18:50] <Aura-> bsnider: i have a default non-configured xorg.conf; and playing around with xorg.conf has only resulted in duplicate hal entries (one joypad, one mouse)
[18:50] <Aura-> hal is telling xorg that it's a mouse when it's not
[18:51] <bsnider> see if you can find some info here: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=346
[18:51] <danbh_intrepid2> Aura-: I thought keyboard and mouse were removed from xorg.conf
[18:52] <bsnider> they are
[18:52] <bsnider> everything was removed
[18:52] <danbh_intrepid2> bsnider: well, the video stuff is automated, but the keyboard and mouse configs were actually moved to a different file
[18:53] <Aura-> keyboard and mouse work fine...  but the x joystick driver was updated at the same time as hal and udev
[18:53] <bsnider> i know
[18:53] <Aura-> something in there b0rked my pad
[18:53] <bsnider> i hate it when pads get borked
[18:55] <Aura-> well...  the mouse functions on the pad work (but i have a touchpad and a rodent mouse, i don't need the handicap accessibility of a padmouse)
[18:55] <Aura-> but even those are half-working, and pressing any button (i have 15 of them on it) crashes X
[18:56] <bsnider> what kind of device is this? 15 buttons?
[18:57] <bsnider> when 14 buttons aren't enough, it's time for 15 buttons
[18:57] <Aura-> lol
[18:57] <ethana2> oh sweet, there's info for .iso testing
[18:57] <Aura-> yeah..  but it's a PS clone pad, 15 isn't that far off, only two extras
[18:57] <ethana2> i hope they include that going forward
[18:59] <Aura-> the line in xorg.0.log tells me it's hal
[18:59] <Aura-> it appears before any other pad configuration lines
[18:59] <Aura-> (II) config/hal: Adding input device Jess Tech GGE909 PC Recoil Pad
[19:02] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, wicd is working
[19:02] <danbh_intrepid> how do I control it?
[19:02] <bsnider> i don't understand the question
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> nvm
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> well, it just doesnt install an UI.  I gota install that stuff
[19:04] <bsnider> there is a gui
[19:04] <bsnider> launch it from applications=>internet
[19:04] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: yeah, but the package doesnt install it to automatically start
[19:04] <bsnider> are you able to get an ip address using it or not?
[19:05] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, well, im here, so it works on -2
[19:05] <danbh_intrepid> I want to test in -3 in a sec
[19:05] <bsnider> well, time to try it on -3
[19:09] <danbh_intrepid> here here, wicd works on -3
[19:10] <bsnider> so the problem is unquestionably network-manager
[19:10] <danbh_intrepid> well, I think its a combination, according to the bug report
[19:10] <bsnider> you might want to add that to your bug report
[19:10] <Aura-> network-manager tends to want to control all settings...
[19:11] <danbh_intrepid> whats a WPA Supplicant Driver?
[19:12] <Aura-> WPA supplicant is for enhanced-security connections via wifi
[19:13] <bsnider> you can change that if you are having connection problems
[19:13] <Aura-> networkmanager makes it easy to change wpa-supplicant settings
[19:14] <Aura-> doing it through the CLI interface can be done, but it's a lot of digging with little documentation
[19:14] <danbh_intrepid> well, why am I given an option of which driver?  like ndiswrapper?   I don't get it, whatever
[19:16] <Aura-> ndiswrapper is a kernel-level driver
[19:16] <Aura-> wpa-supplicant is a step higher than ndiswrapper/kernel
[19:17] <Aura-> wpa-supplicant is optional, and doesn't work with all drivers
[19:17] <danbh_intrepid> so, why would I choose ndiswrapper as my wpa-supplicant driver?
[19:17] <danbh_intrepid> you know, we should just drop this, cause I have no idea what I'm talking about.  I just don't get why the option is there
[19:18] <void^> wpa_supplicant needs to know how to talk to the driver
[19:18] <Aura-> well, if the linux drivers don't work, ndiswrapper provides a way to use windows drivers
[19:18] <void^> there used to be a number of different methods, but most modern drivers support wext
[19:18] <bsnider> wext is the usual choice
[19:19] <danbh_intrepid> void^: ok, that makes sense.
[19:20] <Aura-> hello orangepeelbeef
[19:20] <orangepeelbeef> hiya
[19:21] <orangepeelbeef> i'm using kubuntu intrepid from hardy upgrade and having issues with kopete... it starts and then disappears
[19:21] <Aura-> if you try starting kopete in a konsole, does it give you any error messages?
[19:21] <orangepeelbeef> no
[19:22] <orangepeelbeef> kopete(14889) Kopete::IdentityManager::load: Created identity  "vBzsu7PdB5"
[19:22] <orangepeelbeef> kopete(14889) Kopete::AccountManager::setOnlineStatus: category:  2
[19:22] <orangepeelbeef> thats it
[19:23] <Aura-> it might be in your system tray?
[19:23] <hateball> How can I troubleshoot libc6 failing to configure when installing on a PS3?
[19:23] <ibizatunes> lo
[19:23] <orangepeelbeef> i think it is my local jabber server ssl connection that is causing it to disappear
[19:23] <orangepeelbeef> if it is, it's invisible aura :)
[19:23] <ibizatunes> any news on alpha 6 being made avaible
[19:24] <Aura-> hmmm
[19:25] <Aura-> ibizatunes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791746
[19:25] <Aura-> orangepeelbeef: it's possible, but i'm not too familiar with it..  i'd try moving the kopete configuration files
[19:26] <mlise> ibizatunes: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[19:26] <ibizatunes> thanks
[19:26] <elwood> it's alpha6 ready?
[19:29] <Aura-> hello MiniK
[19:30] <MiniK> hey :)
[19:30] <orangepeelbeef> aura: would that be all the stuff in ~/.kde/share/kopete  ?
[19:30] <orangepeelbeef> er .kde/share/apps/kopete i mean
[19:31] <Aura-> orangepeelbeef: i believe so
[19:31] <orangepeelbeef> so far everything else has been working quite well.  had a bit of issue getting it actually upgraded, had to manually run dpkg -configure -a a bunch of times
[19:32] <MiniK> Whenever I try and run certain programs on Intrepid, I get this error:
[19:32] <MiniK> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[19:32] <orangepeelbeef> did you run dpkg --configure -a ? :)
[19:32] <MiniK> I tried but I'm told I don't have superuser priveleges
[19:33] <orangepeelbeef> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:33] <orangepeelbeef> its telling you it didn't finish installing something
[19:33] <Aura-> MiniK: ubuntu uses sudo for security reasons
[19:34] <MiniK> Thanks to both of you!
[19:34] <MiniK> It works now. :)
[19:34] <orangepeelbeef> hmm, that's not the config files
[19:35] <Aura-> orangepeelbeef: does dmesg or xorg.0.log say anything?
[19:36] <Aura-> hello alex-weej
[19:37] <alex-weej> hello?
[19:40] <orangepeelbeef> oy, ya it does
[19:40] <orangepeelbeef> [65412.068539] kopete[15924]: segfault at 954b000 ip b631aaf6 sp bf911788 error 6 in libc-2.8.90.so[b62a2000+158000]
[19:41] <ikt> how long till alpha 6 >.>
[19:42] <MiniK> Does anyone know the rough release data of Intrepid Ibex?
[19:42] <MiniK> *date
[19:42] <orangepeelbeef> oct 30 supposedly
[19:42] <ibizatunes> 30th of next month
[19:42] <Pici> !schedule
[19:43] <MiniK> Ah, thanks.
[19:44] <orangepeelbeef> so is adept_manager  not available in intrepid?
[19:45] <PolitikerNEU> it
[19:45] <PolitikerNEU> is called adept
[19:46] <orangepeelbeef> ah, it looks totally different..    so i see the iso images for alpha6 but when will they make the repository
[19:47] <orangepeelbeef> so i can just do an upgrade or dist-upgrade
[19:48] <PolitikerNEU> you can do that already - you just have to replace all "hardy" by  "intrepid" in the /etc/apt/sources.list (or do another (better) thing, which I have forgotten), make an sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:49] <PolitikerNEU> but the "normal" "you can update your distribution"-button will become acitvated as soon as the final is out
[19:50] <zniavre> sudo sed -e 's/\shardy/ intrepid/g' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:54] <MiniK> Will I need to use that code for the sources.list.distUpgrade?
[19:55] <zniavre> it will change your sourcelist if graphical tool does not work
[19:58] <MiniK> Anybody know where I can obtain the Wireless 3COM OfficeConnect 3CRUSB20075 drivers?
[19:58] <DanaG> Hmm, one thing that'll help: look at the card itself, to see if you can tell what chip it uses.
[19:59] <DanaG> Or look in dmesg, for things like messages about b43 firmware, or such.
[20:00] <MiniK> I honestly wouldn't know what to look for on the device itself
[20:02] <DanaG> You'd look for the wifi chip... for example, it may be ralink, or broadcom, or Atheros, or any number of things.
[20:03] <DanaG> Argh... why can't I seek through mp3 files?
[20:05] <MiniK> In what way?
[20:05] <DanaG> Even local files act like streamed files... you can't drag the progress bar anywhere.
[20:06] <DanaG> But it only happens with SOME mp3 files.
[20:07] <MiniK> What player are you using?
[20:12] <MiniK> Anybody know anything about installing Apache and PHP to do some web developing?
[20:17] <jlc> MiniK: google LAMP ubuntu
[20:17] <jlc> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Hardy#Install_a_LAMP_server_on_a_Desktop
[20:18] <MiniK> Would it be physically safe for my desktop?
[20:19] <jlc> physically?
[20:19] <jlc> I don't think php and apache will pick up your desktop and throw it around no.
[20:19] <MiniK> I mean, would people be able to access my files?
[20:19] <jlc> ;)
[20:20] <jlc> well, that could always be a possibility
[20:20] <MiniK> I've used WAMP back when I used Windows and occasionally, people could access my C:/wamp/www/ with my IP
[20:21] <MiniK> But my firewall generally blocked that
[20:21] <jlc> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_lamp_for_newbies
[20:22] <jlc> also that
[20:22] <jlc> cracking your box is always a possibility, the more services you open up, the more risk you take, however, not having things like that also mean you cant work... :)
[20:22] <jlc> so you just have to keep an eye on things
[20:24] <jlc> System-->Administration-->Synaptic Package Manager-->
[20:24] <jlc> Edit-->Mark Packages by Task-->LAMP server -->Apply
[20:24] <jlc> that is the easiest method
[20:28] <ikt> lmao jlc
[20:29] <ikt> in response to physically :>
[20:29] <jlc> :P
[20:29] <Blinkiz> Trying to install intrepid alpha 6 but the live cd is failing. I think it fails when it tries to start x window. I just get a normal prompt. Am using 64 bit intrepid desktop iso. I have a AMD Phenom x4 9950 with SB750 chipset and integrated AMD hd3300 graphic card
[20:31] <Blinkiz> How can I manually try to start x? Is it just "startx"? Well, that does not work. Get fatal server error: no screen found
[20:31] <jlc> what else is in the error?
[20:31] <jlc> what kind of video card do you have
[20:31] <mazzen> do you use the radeon driver?
[20:31] <jlc> you could try switching the driver to vesa in xorg.conf
[20:31] <Blinkiz> (EE) No devices detected.
[20:32] <Blinkiz> Connetion refused (errno 11): unable to connect to x server
[20:32] <jlc> under "Device" change Driver to "vesa"
[20:32] <jlc> give that a try
[20:32] <Blinkiz> oki
[20:32] <jlc> what kind of card do you have
[20:32] <Blinkiz> amd hd3300
[20:34] <Blinkiz> jlc: Well, the live cd does not have a line with the word "Driver"
[20:34] <jlc> any section for Device?
[20:35] <Blinkiz> jlc: Yeah, only line in that section is "Identifier     Configured Video Device"
[20:35] <jlc> under that try and add
[20:35] <jlc> Driver      "vesa"
[20:36] <Blinkiz> jlc: Okay, that did work.
[20:37] <jlc> cool
[20:37] <Blinkiz> jlc: So the default live cd (alpha 6) does not support amd hd3300 card?
[20:37] <jlc> I'm going to guess yes
[20:37] <jlc> i think its between the driver and xserver
[20:38] <jlc> X org 7.4 and ati/amd dont work yet afaik
[20:38] <jlc> fedora 9 users had to install X from Fedora 8 to get 3D drivers, not sure how ubuntu will do it
[20:38] <Blinkiz> oki
[20:46] <DanaG> Wait, are the 3-series cards not supported by radeonhd?
[20:47] <Blinkiz> DanaG: hd3300 is a new card released this month if that makes any difference...
[20:47] <ikt> ms seinfeld ad canned =o
[20:47] <ikt> mt
[21:17] <orangepeelbeef> anyone get nxclient working?  i can connect but the screen never shows anything
[21:20] <orangepeelbeef> maybe i'm just having screen refresh issues in general..
[21:20] <_Zeus_> in a6?  i'm getting them too
[21:21] <_Zeus_> the screen flashes weirdlyt
[21:23] <tretle> is the iso up?
[21:24] <MiniK> I have the source files for a program but how do I install it?
[21:24] <tretle> where can I find daily builds?
[21:25] <_Zeus_> MiniK: wrong channel
[21:25] <orangepeelbeef> _zeus_ i'm running a5, but ya
[21:25] <_Zeus_> but i'll tell you anyway; ./configure, make, sudo make install
[21:25] <_Zeus_> orangepeelbeef: are you using kernel -3 or -2?
[21:26] <MiniK> bash: ./configure,: No such file or directory
[21:26] <_Zeus_> no ,
[21:26] <_Zeus_> just ./configure
[21:26] <Blinkiz> So, what drivers should I use for my AMD hd3300 card? I believe it exist three different drivers? Two open source and one closed. What to use?
[21:27] <MiniK> I still get the same message
[21:28] <orangepeelbeef> _Zeus_:  2.6.27-3-generic
[21:40] <_Zeus_> orangepeelbeef: yeah, i use that, it's messed up
[21:40] <_Zeus_> i used to use -2 before i updated to a6
[21:41] <_Zeus_> i couldn't keep it
[21:43] <orangepeelbeef> the other strange thing, is it merged my 2 displays into one big display
[21:44] <orangepeelbeef> can't seem to find anywhere to break it apart
[21:44] <orangepeelbeef> or set my background for that matter lol
[21:44] <_Zeus_> yeah, i tried to reinstall -2, but i can't
[21:44] <_Zeus_> i can't really install any other kernel
[21:45] <arooni-mobile> buying a computer from dell.  which one of these is well supported in ubuntu, and provides dual monitor support?  ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO 128MB || ATI Radeon HD3650 256MB ||  Radeon ATI HD 2600 XT 256MB
[21:46] <danbh_intrepid> arooni-mobile: dont spam please
[21:46] <arooni-mobile> sorry
[21:46] <arooni-mobile> i'm just really frustrated ive spent 4 days building a system that ditn work
[21:47] <danbh_intrepid> have you looked at the fsf website?
[21:47] <arooni-mobile> fsf?
[21:47] <danbh_intrepid> !hardware
[21:48] <danbh_intrepid> its in other resources
[21:48] <arooni-mobile> danbh_intrepid, that doesnt list info for next version of ubuntu
[21:49] <danbh_intrepid> that what?
[21:50] <Blinkiz> I have the latest radeonhd drivers now installed. How can I force my X to use them? Something with "Driver  radeonhd" in xorg.conf?
[22:19] <orangepeelbeef> anyone use nxclient ?   i can't seem to get it to display anything after connection
[22:21] <_Zeus_> Blinkiz: i would try Driver     "ati"
[22:25] <Blinkiz> _Zeus_: Am using "radeonhd" at the moment. What is "ati" for type?
[22:26] <RAOF> 'ati' is an alias for 'radeon'
[22:26] <Blinkiz> RAOF: soo, what is radeon? What driver is that? :)
[22:27] <HUNTER_byte> Is it normal that there is no kdiff3 in the repository for this stage of the development? I just couldn't find any information where it has gone and was wondering when I should expect to appear again.
[22:27] <Blinkiz> RAOF: something that can do 3D? "radeonhd" working fine for me with ubuntu intrepid alpha 6
[22:28] <brainsonfire> hello, im not sure im in the right place... ive upgraded to intrepid yesterday and im having a problem with the x server
[22:28] <RAOF> Blinkiz: No.  There exists no driver that will do 3d on your card and supports Xserver 1.5.
[22:28] <brainsonfire> it always uses xorg.conf.failsafe i have no idea why
[22:29] <brainsonfire> can anyone help me?
[22:29] <arooni-mobile> i've gotten: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) when i tried to hook up ubuntu 8.04 with nvidia geforce 8600gts.  i tried: swapping out mobo (to intel p43 chipset), using envyng, downloading and compiling drivers from nvidia (compiled but same error), using the restricted modules for ubuntu (nvida-glx-new)... and everything results in same error.  what am i doing wrong, what can i do?
[22:29] <brainsonfire> me brainsonfire
[22:29] <arooni-mobile> does this card work in next version of ubuntu?
[22:30] <Blinkiz> RAOF: Thanks for clearing that out. I have come to the same conclusion myself. Its no big deal for me :)
[22:32] <brainsonfire> Xorg.0.log says Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe"
[22:32] <brainsonfire> can anyone please tell my why that is?
[22:33] <brainsonfire> ive installed nvidia-glx-177 and rebooted, but no matter what i do it always runs in low graphics mode using xorg.conf.failsafe
[22:35] <HUNTER_byte> brainsonfire: try menu "system->administration->NVIDIA X server"
[22:36] <brainsonfire> i dont have that
[22:36] <brainsonfire> i had nvidia-settings, but that told me i didnt have any nvidia drivers
[22:37] <brainsonfire> i just dont understand why x uses xorg.conf.failsafe and not xorg.conf
[22:37] <HUNTER_byte> brainsonfire: Are you using GNOME or KDE?
[22:37] <brainsonfire> gnome
[22:38] <brainsonfire> i tried deleting/replacing xorg.conf.failsafe
[22:38] <HUNTER_byte> brainsonfire: In this case I have no idea. It just works for me.
[22:39] <DanaG> Stupid Failsafe-X.
[22:40] <DanaG> Look at xorg.0.log.old
[22:42] <brainsonfire> it looks the same too me
[22:42] <brainsonfire> "using xorg.conf.failsafe"
[22:42] <brainsonfire> :(
[22:46] <brainsonfire> is there a way i find out whats causing it to use failsafe ?